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3DS eShop Sale
>http://www.siliconera.com/2014/10/20/shin-megami-tensei-iv-3ds-games-discount-sale/

PSN Weekly Deals
>http://blog.us.playstation.com/2014/10/21/playstation-store-update-365/ (if Catherine isn't on sale now, it will be during Halloween sale shit - I can't find the link about those offhand)

aka atlus sales are on as per usual

>Starter guide
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10886965/smtstarterguide.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/qqxkrWFh

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/fgVp423S

>Misc. Translations
http://pastebin.com/LHKVLNQB

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended Reading
http://pastebin.com/YppqPPjf

Old bread:
>>84373526
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First for Metatron.
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Second for Fumi
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>>84541394
Jack Frost.
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>>84541452
Lucifer
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Fifth for Gale.
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>>84541452
>>84541590
Why not combine them?
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>>84541425
Best DeSu2.
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>>84542576
>Not wanting to fuck Midori, then cuddling with her afterward, hugging her, and never letting her go
DeSu2 isn't best.
They're both good.
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>>84543024
>15 years old
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>>84543173
And? Age is just a number.
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>>84543024
Midori a shit. Also,
>not wanting to fuck Naoya
What's wrong with you anon?
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>>84543601
I'm not gay
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>>84543341
Plus DeSu2, like DeSu1, takes place in an isolated city filled with demons, in a state of chaos.
If you aren't gonna take Midori during the Lockdown, you can AFTER it's all over.
Plus, she wants you anyway by the Last Day, so it's win/win.
(Only exception is Naoya's Ending; the "evil as fuck" one where you fight Betatron, NOT the Benevolent Lord Abel one.).

>>84543601
I dunno, maybe it's because I'm an only child.
Besides, I'd rather knock him out and steal his robe / cape / whatever it is.
Just LOOK at it! It's all green and black, and has the Matrix Raining Code on it (in game)! In the pic you just posted, it looks like a form of flowing hardware; that's the only way I can describe it.


Could you use that cape or whatever to summon demons, seeing as it looks electronic / mechanical, despite being clothing?
Imagine that:
A DEMON SUMMONING PROGRAM YOU CAN LITERALLY WEAR!
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>>84544037
>actually wanting to fuck a 15 year old camwhore (she really is, it's practically stated in the game itself) with a nails-on-chalkboard voice and a brain with the capacity of an insect
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>>84543854
Naoya confirmed the route of rotten homosex.
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>>84544372
>>actually wanting to fuck a 15 year old camwhore (she really is, it's practically stated in the game itself)
In regards to the setting of the game, being Tokyo under a lockdown due to demons being loose, yeah. Both during and after the lockdown. What is the legal age in Japan anyway?
>with a nails-on-chalkboard voice
Not played DeSuOC. Not applicable.
>and a brain with the capacity of an insect
Now that's just mean. She isn't that bad.

On the other hand, she and Keisuke are already a couple.
Might as well go for Amane.
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>>84544615
>she and Keisuke are already a couple.
The only time the game implies this is when Atsuro says so, and even then Keisuke denies it. That's it.
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>>84544615
>She isn't that bad.
She isn't that bad? She's so thick that she doesn't stop for a quarter of a second to think that what she's doing isn't helping. How many times did Midori get herself into situations where her life was hanging in the balance due to her misguided ideas of justice via It's only after Abel and co verbally beat some sense into her that she realises there are consequences for her actions and that she can't go around parading her magical justice bullshit.

>On the other hand, she and Keisuke are already a couple.
That's not even remotely true, and if there were any romantic feelings it was one-sided by way of Keisuke.
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>84544037
In his route he'll probably give it to you if you ask, no need to use violence. But I get what you're saying. Fuck the Overlord's/Messiah cape, I want Naoya's too
I-I doubt you can use it to summon demons, though...

>>84543854
I guess that's an acceptable answer.
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>>84544943
Wow I really butchered my post there, jesus christ.
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>>84544790
Keisuke TRIES to deny it, but seriously. The guy went on a judgemental rampage on everybody just because people were planning to kill Midori for doing her "Magical Justice". For him to care about her that much to go on his rampage, there's some real emotion there.
And Midori seems to be very aware of that, and teases Keisuke about it when Atsuro lampshades it.

>>84544943
>>84545064
No problem, Anon.
But yeah I do see your point.
Just keep in mind the whole situation of DeSu, with the Tokyo Lockdown, demons everywhere, people getting Rent, Slaughtered, and Devoured, and all the NPCs learning to form gangs and use COMPs themselves...
Of course Midori will do what SHE THINKS is best in such a situation, even though it did make things worse until Abel and Co. helped, as you said.
Also, what do you think about Naoya's Cape?
And the idea that you could use it as a wearable DSP.
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>What is the deal with all these casuals not fusing Pascal? Seriously, like every post since iOS came out is people not doing it.
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>>84545578
Wouldn't the game be harder by not fusing Pascal?
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>>84545578
>>84545761
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLcXXz01Tn8
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>>84545480
>The guy went on a judgemental rampage on everybody just because people were planning to kill Midori for doing her "Magical Justice".
See I think you're forgetting what Keisuke went through before the events of the game, and the resulting changes that occurred in him. What's happening to Midori while she has her COMP is the exact kind of thing that he went through when he tried to stand up for kids who were getting their shit kicked in, right down to threats of violence. He's acting so brashly because he relates 100% to the situation.

I'm not saying that what Midori was doing was wrong, because it was right. She had the right idea but she was executing it in the worst way possible, and never stopping to think how she's being viewed by the people she's attempting to rescue from the gaping maw of that Abbadon over there.

Also I don't care for Naoya's cloak at all, but I like the shirt.
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>>84545761
Yes, but it's more like they just don't seem to know to or have some moral obligation. idk.

I fused him. I felt like shit, but I fused him.
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>>84545971
Ease up there turbo.
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>Aleph will need 10 MAG and 10 INT at certain points in the game. Aside from that, a VIT/STR build as usual.

So should I focus on Int and Mag until they're both 10 right at the start, or will I find enough Incense-type items to boost the stats so I can focus on Str/Vit during level ups?
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>>84546091
You don't need the MAG till near end game, but INT is for negotiating and shit.

Do all your VR Training or be prepared to eat shit.
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>>84545986
>Feeling like shit for giving your dog a powerful, immortal demon body
There were no downsides.
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Oh wow.
>Brute Momunofu wants to talk to you
>Heh, I need to be nice once in a while
>Received Soma
It's beautiful.
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>>84546432
You mean aside from him being alone for years and years?
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>>84546580
And people say demons are bad.
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>>84546660
How is that worse than him being dead?
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>>84546705

They're just tools we use for the mission. That was just a tactic to catch you off guard.
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>>84546760
I don't know man, I don't know.
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>>84545971
Wow you're mad. Sure YOU'RE not the cancer in this discussion?
>>84546802
Wow, you again. Sure you aren't infected with the Delphinus Parasite? I WOULD brainwash you so you'd stop being a toxic asshole, but I'm not a lawfag. Even if I was, I wouldn't be a diehard one.
You on the other hand seem like the perfect image of delusion and rage. Gonna turn into Psycho Apollyon sometime?

>>84546760
It isn't.

>>84546705
When they aren't assholes or outright want you dead, yeah.

>>84546580
>tfw one of your demons wants to talk to you
>They give you an Incense or Bead of Life
Hell yes.

>>84546836
That's what they WANT you to think.
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>>84546836
Zelenin pls go, don't you have singing practice to attend?
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>>84546836
>This is how neutral really feels
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>>84547569
It was funny once but seriously cut it out
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>>84547652
Just ignore him, anon. He'll get bored sooner or later.
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>>84546351
Yeah I figured the Int was for negotiating. And I learned pretty quickly I should've trained more in the VR, got my ass handed to me in the arena maze. Speaking of, can you start recruiting demons in that maze or no?
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>>84547486
I'm Neutral and I don't think that.

Also, this Anon (not the one I'm replying to) clearly doesn't have anything better to do than to be a toxic asshole and type as incoherently as possible. What a true plebian.
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>>84548049
Nope. Also, your HP will remain the same like you entered when you come back out, but anything involving Demons usage will carry over.
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>>84548191
Fucking digital devils
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Hey Janitor/Mod, you forgot >>84545971

Much appreciated. You're a true comrade to /smtg/, Janitor/Mod
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Based janitors
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>>84548289
Be careful what you say about Digital Devils.
There are some among us here. And some of them may not be as comprehending as I am.
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Are there any emulators for iOS apps? SMT on Android when?

Also I read or heard somewhere once that in the first game if you fail to recruit a demon twice you'll never be able to recruit it ever again. This seems like bullshit, was I just being fucked with?
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>>84548626
You were being fucked with
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>>84548626
No, and never.
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>Raidou's title has changed from Master of Demons to Morning Star
What the hell, is Raidou the avatar of Lucifer or some shit?
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>>84549241
Hello, Fumi.
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>>84548925
He could be.
Well, another pic to add to my /r/list.
So far:
1- YHVH literally driving Merkabah
2- Metatron as Megatron
3- Megatron as Metatron
4- Hexafusion of Kanji from P4, Kenji from P3, and King Kenji from SMT IV
5- Raidou as Avatar of Lucifer

>>84549241
Nice!
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>>84549842
Go away.
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>>84550080
Give me a reason why first, hee-ho.
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>>84550135
Because if you don't, I'll stick you into my microwave for a defrost cycle.
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>>84549241
>DeSu2 tries shove Io down your throat instead of Fumi
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>>84550275
I'd like to see you try, hee-ho!

>>84550441
You say that like it's a bad thing.
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>>84550441
Well at least she never confesses nor you are given the option to tell her you lover her or anything, its onvious every female wants your dick.

Its up to you to who will get it.

Hinako gets it after making me a lap dance
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>>84550516
It is
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>>84550932
I just want it where I can get with Fumi for real
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>>84550932
>>84552120
You know, we should just do the "Fuck, Marry, Kill" thing for DeSu2 for each of us, to know who stands where.

Fuck: Fumi
Marry: Hinako
Kill: Polaris
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>>84549842
>hexafusion
>of three entities
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WHERE THE FUCK IS MY SMT X FE
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>>84552429
Fuck: Fumi
Marry: Hinako
Kill: Ronaldo You can actually kill him to boot
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>>84553024
Cancelled in favor of Persona 4 X Naruto fighting game
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>>84553360
Aren't the Naruto games supposed to be really good?
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>>84553024
I want it too.

>>84553441
Varies.

>>84553059
Same Anon.
Here's another variation:

Fuck: Hinako
Marry: Io
Kill: Yamato
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>>84553024
Didnt you heard? That game was canceled and now its P3&4xFEA.
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I want to fuck Mirai
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>>84543341
>mother harlot will never teach you the ultimate carnal techniques
>>84553725
>you will never use them on Mirai
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>>84553648
Sick joke Anon. Don't say shit like that.

>>84553725
Took you long enough, Mirai Anon.

>>84554368
>Shiva and Vishnu will never bless you with godly dancing skills
>You will never use them to charm Hinako, fuck her silly, marry her afterward, and travel the world as a dancing couple to make people happy and make money, living the rest of your lives out in joy and bliss
>Obligatory "Why Live?"
Another idea to writefag later, when I'm better at it.
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>>84554715
no children, anon?
>you will never be given the power to reshape the world as you see fit
>you will never be a persona user
>your persona will never be Hades
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>>84554715
I say its going to have an ED called "NTR ED"
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>>84554368

>>84554715
I'm sorry
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>>84555071
That depends. I just want the basic ideas down this early. Once I take a writing class or two at the university, maybe I might get to being a writefag "for the glory of /smtg", and write out all these ideas into reality.
Didn't that already happen in P2:IS?
But wait, which Hades? The only ones I know that are feasible, are:
Disney Hercules Hades
Original Greek Mythology Hades
Kid Icarus Uprising Hades


>>84555071
What does "ED" stand for in your context, anyway?
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>>84555450
Meant SD (Special Edition)
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>>84555450
>That depends. I just want the basic ideas down this early. Once I take a writing class or two at the university, maybe I might get to being a writefag "for the glory of /smtg", and write out all these ideas into reality.
I dig it anon, I wish I had the drive to draw more, Id love to do some fanart for everyone

honestly, I want hercules hades, james woods' voice and everything he is one of my favorite bad guys after all
I dont remember though, I lost my save for IS and havent had that drive to play it again yet
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>>84555917
Damm again SE.
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>>84555917
OK then. That could work, for those who LIKE NTR. I personally don't, but I could write it with the main one for the benefit of NTRfags

But who to NTR Hinako WITH?
Io?
Fumi?
Airi?
Makoto?
Otome?
FemTico?
So many options to choose from to write about...

>>84556435
Yeah bro, thanks for the support.
Hercules Hades is precisely on par with Kid Icarus Hades. They're both good in their own ways.
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>>84552429
Fuck: Yamato
Marry: Makoto
Kill: Ronaldo and Polaris
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>>84556619
>there are people in the world that like NTR
that is one fetish I dont understand at all
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>>84556772
My hope is that they imagine they're the ones stealing the chick away from the dude. Kind of an evolved form of mind break.
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>>84556934
now that I can get behind
>dat power over someone else
but it happening to them?
pls no
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>>84556934
Thats not NTR (Your GF gets stolen), Thats Nitori (You stole someone GF).

I think it works in anime because the MC is either a beta or he is annoying thus the one who NTR becomes the hero of the story.
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There can only be one. World of STR or world of MAG?

http://strawpoll.me/2820925
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>>84557343
But no one uses nitori. Everything is just lumped into NTR, regardless of perspective.
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>>84557343
>Thats not NTR (Your GF gets stolen), Thats Nitori (You stole someone GF).
B-but I self insert into the GF!
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>>84557694
They are wrong, if you want to search for a game were the MC NTR someone then the MC will stole some guy GF.

With NTR you play as the beta faggot while he sees his GF/Wife gets fucked.

>>84557818
Thats not NTR thats being a slut (In wich case the girl is the MC).
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I want to fuck Mirai
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>>84559073
I speak unto the filth.

We will not allow you to take even a single step into the lands of the Eastern Kingdom of /smtg/.

We will obliterate you filth just as the Lord has commanded.
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>Chiaki is a beautiful girl and a good friend
>It will create a world of beauty guided by the worthy
>Supported by those with the moral high ground in SMT, angels
>You don't have to skip any bosses
>Final bosses still provide a challenge thanks to no Pierce
>Don't have to sully your hands involving yourself with Lucifer
>Kagutsuchi approves of it
Why in the world wouldn't you go Yosuga?
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>>84559558
>Not siding with Musubi and being your OWN God in YOUR Own world.
>Not being YHVH lite
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>>84560065

> Being a loser.
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>>84560246
>Not being a God.
>Being a boring STR whore.
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>>84560786
Musubi is no better than Shijima. Shit will get old after a millennium alone. That's assuming someone else doesn't get sick of it even sooner and start Conception again.
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>>84559558
Because getting to conk big yellow head is more fun.
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>>84561280
>Trying to murder someone who has only ever loved you
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How would you react if they updated YHVH's appearance, like Lucifer in SMTIV?
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>>84562594
They'd have to if they ever want to use him again.
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>>84562594
you say that like ol shadow-orc has been in more than one game
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So, smtg. Given how little mp you have, I'm thinking having both war cry and fog breath isn't worth it. What about counter?
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>>84562594
His style would work better for YHVH than it did for Lucifer.
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>>84566647
Counter is generally worth it for a STR build. Keep War Cry over fog breath.
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>>84566647
I'm assuming Nocturne?
Fog Breath is more important than War Cry, and War Cry appears more on demons.
You can have counter, but I don't like to have it in case I end up countering something that has repel/drain phys, or end up wasting my power charge on a counter
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>>84566647
this Nocturne? Counter/Retaliate are pretty good when you can get to them, but by the time you get to the final dungeon you'll want to swap it out for resist/null/absorb reflect, because too many enemies can bounce your counter right back at you or just eat it up.
For the same reason, you don't want reflect phys. It's too tedious to have enemies with absorb phys hit you and get that health back
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>>84550932
Before the end of the game, when you are restarting the world, she comes very close to, or may be she does based on her attitude.

>>84552429
Fuck: Hinako
Marry: Fumi
Kill: Black Frost
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>>84567959
Io is obviously pushed but not to the point were you can discard the others. Just like Persona 3 pushes Aigis but doesnt mean she is the ONE.
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Need some help with the Munakata boss fight in the first Raidou game. So he summons the Hiruko that stun you so that he can do his death beam, and you're supposed to dodge/return your demon. Easy peasy. Except every time he does it after the first time, he summons the Hiruko inside me so I get insta-stunned by it. What am I doing wrong?
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>>84571671
equip a null death sword and pray you're fast enough on the healing
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>>84555652
The way his face wraps around the cup is very unflattering.
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>>84571847
It stopped happening and I won easily. I have no clue what was up before.
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>>84571671
Go get a portergeist, Munakata will one shot him but you can revive it.
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>>84571876
Almost like he IS the cup...
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>>84573052
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>>84574832
Where is that pic of him from? It looks like the Tartarus clock in the background there...
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>>84575179

Adachi has some new facial expression in P4AU
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>>84575406
You don't say?
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>>84575720

Yep.
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>>84575973
if only
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>>84575973
See the pic? Yeah.

I saw one of these for the DDS cast, and I need it.
If you have more of these with cut-ins featuring other MegaTen characters, that'd be much appreciated.
Because while Persona may be a slightly arguement-causing topic here at /smtg/, you can't deny the cut-ins look nice and badass.
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>>84576312
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>>84577198
Thank you kindly.

>>84576973
More like this?
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>>84576509
There's one with raidou, the XIV'th character. Yeah.
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>>84577538

This is the last one i got
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>>84577924
>>84576973
>Reminder that we could had gotten a Megaten battle royal fighter if ATLUS wasnt whoring P3&P4.
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>>84577574
Post it?

>>84577924
Nice!
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>>84578439

I hope you like DDS1 and Nocturne Raidou edition since that's the most you'll get.
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>>84578439
It could still happen
They're all out of P3/P4 characters to add
Just wait and see what they do for Arena 3
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>>84579172

They'll add George from Persona 4 Platinum of course.
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>>84579172
Well they will add the P5 cast for P4A3.
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How fun is a magic build in Nocturne? I'm well aware that it is horribly subpar compared to a strength build, but how fun is it? Thinking about replaying for an ending other than TDE
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>>84583770
I'm more excited for Person 5 Racing.
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>>84584351
>horribly subpar
Not really, it was my build in my first playthrough and it's super viable.
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>>84584738
That gives me hope then. Because I honestly do love magic builds. Now to figure out what ending to aim for.
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>>84585160
>what ending to aim for.
Freedom of course.

>That gives me hope then. Because I honestly do love magic builds.
I love magic builds too, that's why i ignored everyone saying that STR is the way to go and went full MAG, i didn't now much about nocturne and i didn't know about masakados, which i got and used against the final boss but because i was ignorant of it's existence until the end of the game i maxed MAG , but it was super fun using a magic build, nocturne is amazing and no matter how many times i play it i feel like i want to play it again, my hunger is eternal.
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>>84585160
Go with beadguy
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First time playing nocturne here.
Dark might broke Ose in half.
I'm thinking I'm going to recruit a lot of jack frost.
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Make way for the best Devil Survivor
>>84544615
>On the other hand, she and Keisuke are already a couple.
You didn't let the fucker live did you?
>Might as well go for Amane.
I would make sweet love with Karen Strassman's voice
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>>84586856
>hee-ho, life's not fair.
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>>84587137
Its obvious that Midori LIKES the MC as if you do her events the game mentions she actively searching times for you two to talk alone.

MidorixKeisuke is just DeSu´s KanjixNaoto, heavily portrayed but ultimately not something confirmed.
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>>84587137
Fumi is the better battle character and I like Fumi more as a character.

But you still have great taste.
Most DeSu2 girls are pretty great, other than Io.
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>>84588726
Don't you like anti gravity tots?
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THREE DAYS UNTIL SMT IV EU.
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>>84588726
I used Fumi Hinako Joe in my first playthrough and Hinako is pretty much the perfect physical character for the game because of her high AG.
But yeah, Fumi's MA is pretty much unrivaled in the game.
Then again, there can be only one holy dancer and that is the MC.
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>>84589738
Fumi leans towards High MAG, AG, and VIT

She's a beast in battle.
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>>84589659
Guess I should finish replaying SJ huh.
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>>84589532
>There are people browsing this general who have never written an award wining thesis on it.
>There are people browsing this general who have never been funded by the government to master their anti-gravity properties for military purposes.
Y'all NEETs are missing out big time.
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>>84541160
>aka atlus sales are on as per usual
Then why even bother adding them to the OP? We all know that Atlus games are almost always on sale.
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>>84587508
I wish more people would listen to this guy, he's telling the truth and people still pretend that KeisukexMidori is canon.
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>>84591452
Multiple people cared when I initially posted they were.
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>>84587137
>Best slutty DeSu
>Not Haru
Seriously. Literally every single piece of art, right down to the box art, has her signature imminent nip slip. It's revealing yet subtle. How could you not love that.

On a side note, with PQ coming on my b-day, why not treat my self to a 3ds? Is Overclocked worth getting even though I played the original to death?
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>>84592642
I don't get why Haru wasn't playable
I don't get why you don't get to fug her
I dont get it.
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>>84592202
Shippers gonna ship man.
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>>84592642
Get it for smt4
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>>84589659
I can almost taste it

How is it ameribros? A lot of people on /v/ were talking shit about it but /v/ is retarded
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>>84593268

It's pretty good overall.
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>>84591272
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>>84593139
Well, of course I'm also going to get that. What do you take me for? A filthy casual?
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>>84592642
>How could you not love that.
Because she reminds me of my ex
>Is Overclocked worth getting even though I played the original to death?
Combat system is still worse than DeSu2.
I'm slowly progressing through all the endings, but it gets really boring playing through it for the umphteenth time especially because like you, I played the original to death.
Get it if you can get it for cheap, same goes for Soul Hackers, it's not stellar
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How do I use the flying item in SMT IV?

Also what would have happened if I'd have refused to give the relics when he asked for them one at a time?
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>>84592642
Wait for the new 3ds
If your from yurope you can import one from Australia next month but shit's expensive there
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>>84594953
the new 3ds is shit
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>>84594553
You need to find special points in the map to fly.
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>>84595693
No, you're new 3ds a shit!
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>>84595918
Where are these points?
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>>84549842
>1- YHVH literally driving Merkabah

Yes, pls.
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>>84576973
>your father-figure will never return to life as your 10/10 persona

kirijofags btfo
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>>84595693
If you don't already have one, it's worth waiting for 3DS New. Shit is like the same price p much.

Unless he wants to buy used.
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>Pat mentions SMT1 "Turn if off" on new Shitstorm

A lot of SMT mentions for a Persona major.
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>>84598061
Wat
explain
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>>84598251
I'm gonna assume you mean to explain "Turn it off".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jhfZVd9N9ww

I think Gideon confirmed it to be BS, but I dunno,
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>>84597123
>P5 Will just stick to the touched-up demon models and mythological/literary references
>P5 won't have real people and loved ones as personas
And it's a YHVHdamned shame too. I bet they won't even add P5 exclusive myth figures as persona to keep things fresh either.
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Nobody here actually ever discusses DDS right?
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>>84598463
More info
http://blog.hardcoregaming101.net/2011/05/urban-legend-of-shin-megami-tensei-turn.html
http://agtp.romhack.net/pantheon/index.php?topic=545.0
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>>84598463
Yeah, I think the story behind it was that the video was a creepypasta-esqe rumor and someone on niconico faked that video.
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>>84598521
We discuss every Megaten.
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>>84598521
let me play my solar noises over the mic
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>>84598909
Some more than others.
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>>84598521
sometimes.
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SMT really sucks ATM when you think about it, last good game was, what, Strange Journey?

And it seems Atlus is intent on being humongous Jews. More Personas up the ass, no proper SMT for consoles...


Shit son, all I ever wanted was an HD SMT with a big detailed world, proper battle animations, etc. Fuck me right.
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>>84598494

>no 3D model of Mastema for a persona
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>>84599040
IMAGINE if you had something like it.
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>>84599019
Well thats why Persona general exists, here is the place to talk about P1&2 though.

>>84599040
SMT 4 was good though.
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i beat persona 3 and persona 4 on easy
they were my first JRPGs. i didnt have to use a single continue in p4.
think im ready to play Nocturne on normal?
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Sorry for being a faggot and asking a question but I am trying to fuse a Sati in Nocturne I have Onknot and seems with Horus it makes Sati but I can't find a recipe for a Horus or does anyone know how a different recipe for Sati?
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>>84599325
>playing games on easy
>for any reason
>ever
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>>84599325
>playing games on easy
But as long as you have half a brain, Nocturne will be fine for you.
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>>84599325
You can do whatever you want.

>>84599420
I play games on easy, suck my dick.
>I'm here for the story.
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>>84599040
>only thing I ever wanted was muh graphix
yeah, fuck you
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Just beat Persona 2 Innocent Sin. Pretty good ending, although it seems kinda cliche.

Did you guys thank or hit Philly? I hit 'em. Lel.

Also, is Persona 2: Eternal Punishment worth playing? What's it about?
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>>84599181
I sure loved waiting 10 years to play the sequel to Nocturne on a cell phone tier piece of hardware. With shit demon designs. And sprites. And no animations.
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>>84599469
If you're playing games for the story you're essentially wasting time that could be spent reading an actual good book

Don't pretend there's a single game that compares to high literature
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>>84599478
>a big world filled with content instead of lame menu navigation is bad
>proper animations are bad
>detailed character and demon models are bad
>everything that superior hardware can offer is bad

No wonder Atlus gets away with this shit.
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>>84599564
>Don't pretend there's a single game that compares to high literature
Honestly man, that all comes down to opinion. The same could be said about anime and movies. Any media could deliver pleasurable material that stimulates the brain.
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>>84599493
It's like a sequel/alternate reality. New story. It's not like P3/P3FES.
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>>84599019
I absolutely hate Marie and would hatefuck her into oblivion
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>>84599493
Everyone hits Philly

Eternal punishment is the second part of P2 so yeah it's worth playing
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>>84599529
>With shit demon designs. And sprites. And no animations.
But that means nothing. If Nocturne was like that it would still be good.
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>>84599639
Have fun playing video games for the "story" and continuing to learn nothing
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>>84599675
>>84599645
is there an ETA release date for the improved japanese version? i heard the translation in PS1 EP was butchered
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>>84599376
A kelpie and a power can make a sati.
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>>84599564
I read stupid books too. And manga. And watch shows. And sometimes movies. This is why I'm over 10yrs behind on any given media type.

Let me put it in words you can understand. When it comes to media, I cannot escape my hunger.
If I like something enough, I'll play through it again on another setting.
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>>84599564
>implying
>>84599634
I never said they are bad things, but if that's all you care about it's kinda sad.
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>>84599781
>continuing to learn nothing
What do books such as Dante's Inferno and The Scarlett Letter teach anyone? Jeeze. You're acting like you're better than everyone else just because you've read a few recs off the /lit/-newfag macro. Fuck off.
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>>84599883
>literally watered-down philosophy 101 as could be found in your local community college

anonymous pls
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>>84599564
Go back to /lit/, fagget.
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>>84599678
But it would be worse.

And SMT4 is worse than Nocturne. It's a step down in 90% of departments.

SMT fans are such beggars, you guys accept pure horseshit downgrades as long as you get anything. Pathetic.
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>>84599672
Everyone hates her, that's why I posted her specifically.

ohmygoshyoustupidbakayourdickissohardahhhh!!~~~
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>>84599926
>What do books such as Dante's Inferno and The Scarlett Letter teach anyone?

ROFL
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>>84599040
I really hate assfaggots as much as the next guy, but imagine a fast-pace thirdperson assfaggots SMT game. Casuals love that stuff so I could be easy money. You could take the place of a demon summoner facing off 5v5 against other people.
If they wanted to leach off of real money cosmetics they could give demon skins that change the model, such as an Orthrus model for Cerberus. Hell, they give you a model you could customize and have follow your demon around in their lane.
Heck add some classic rpg elements to the game. Have special "mission" you could que up for where you fight agains multiple demons or AI controlled super demons. "Fuse" skins and alt-models for new skins and models.

So, shit idea, or no?
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>>84599564

>implying that the law ending of II is not the highest of all literature.
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>>84599792
No, and I heard EP was fine. It's P1 that is all American.
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>>84600127
You're a real nigger, you know that? Go read a history book such as the Greek Histories or The Interpretation of Dreams if you want to learn something you fucking faggot.
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>>84600064
What you want is better presentation, not a better game.

Here's an example you may understand: Take Halo CE anniversary. You can change the graphics between the updated and original between a push of a button. If you're playing on the updated graphics, the presentation is better, yet the gameplay is unaffected.
Giving an SMT game 3D models, etc. wouldn't improve the game, just the presentation.
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>>84599792
Only thing that was butchered was the voice acting.
CIAO
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>>84587137
>You didn't let the fucker live did you?
Course I did. Went for Amane instead.

>>84587508
>>84592202
Regrettably, you're both right.
Even still, >>84593109

>>84589738
Can you do this same build I used in DeSu1 in DeSu2, but better? Just wondering cuz I haven't played DeSu2.
Holy Dance
Drain
Megidolaon
Dual Shadow
Victory Cry
Anti-All
Full Might

>>84594525
Damn, Anon. I would say I feel for you but I have no one to speak of.

>>84596560
Merkabah is God's Throne
Therefore, he has to be A GODLY CAR!
Which begs the question:
Why is there no picture of this yet?

>>84598932
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZEtCQGT3MQ

>>84599019
>>84599672
>>84600112
Only good for fucking.

>>84599376
Here, for fusions, straight outta OP Pastebins.
http://phpsimplicity.com/heretic

>>84599493
Hit the son of a bitch. The fucker deserves it for making his bet with Nyarly.

>>84600129
Actually pretty good.
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>>84600713
Reply to half the thread, why don't you?
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Is Nocturne worth it still if /v/ already spoiled me on something? They told me the MC's best friend dies

Also for someone who came off of SMT IV would it still be relatively difficulty for them?
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>>84600713
>Drain
Oh fuck the visions are starting again
I fought Babel under leveled, doing nothing but Holy Dancing and Draining. Everyone was dead, even my demons, but I just kept draining. It was the worst war of attrition I ever fought. Shit was still fun though.
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>>84600945
Nocturne Spoiler alert: Chiaki and Isamu can hardly be called friends and EVERYBODY DIES.
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>>84600945
>Is Nocturne worth it still if /v/ already spoiled me on something? They told me the MC's best friend dies
Just get used to it.
There's a reason why "All my friends are dead" is in our recommended reading.
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>>84600945

That doesn't really count as a spoiler. Its harder than iv, but not terrible.
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>>84600945
It's SMT. Everyone dies. It's whether you bring them back or not that matters.

And I didn't find the dificulty any diffrent from IV. Matador is a wake up call but other than that, it's pretty normal.
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>>84600996
Nice save.
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>>84601109
>>84600945
And regarding the difficulty, it's harder but more fair than IV.
It's easy to adapt to most roadblocks like Matador in Nocturne, whereas early fights in IV are hoping they don't crit+smirk
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>>84600713
I'm usually the one to defend you when people whine about you replying to so much people but this is just too much
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>>84601230

There are people right now in this very general who don't consider amane's ending the true one. Especially on overclocked where they pretend loki is the mid level boss for day 8.
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>>84601396
What's you alignment?
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>>84601396
I dunno, I liked Noaya's ending better, especially when you can get everyone to join you at the end.
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>>84601348
>>84601225
>>84601121
>>84601109
well fuck it i'll get it then. I just wish it was on a handheld.
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>>84601542
Play strange journey then, scrub.
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>>84601757

Speaking of strange journey, does retarded literature anon realize that reading books, as well as more modern things like games which reference them are useful to do together? You don't need to have them be a battle. Like for instance when they mentioned dante, you realize that in strange journey, the law ending is kind of based on dante's description of heaven where each person has a particular seat they more or less reside in, but everyone there still communes as one collective, since they're no longer bound by their body. Strange journey doesn't really say whether they never leave the pillars, but it looks like that's the case, and yet in the ending zelenin is still talking to you directly.
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>>84599040
It costs too much to make a console game now, that's why they ignored the PS3 until P5 which is the only game that would sell well enough to justify the effort
The persona spinoffs can fuck right of though
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>>84600246
>Lucifer in the party
>Law ending
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>>84602198
SMT is the naked lunch of games, anyway.
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>>84602198
Man, the law ending disturbs me so much.
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>>84602685
>Utopia
>Disturbs you
Why? I would absolutely want this to happen in real life, all jokes aside.
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>>84602779
>Literally no free will
>constantly praising an arrogant tyrant's name until the end of all days
Jeminez was roght
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>>84602779
it's worse than extinction. at least with extinction there's still some chance of human culture being preserved and found by others. in the law end humanity just 'stops', and all past history is forgotten and all future history is made impossible. humanity is castrated, lobotomized, and put out to pasture.
There's nothing utopic about spending eternity in a coma.
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>>84603008
Who cares? Sure, it chafes a little bit thinking about it while we still have free will and ego. But we'd be blissful for eternity. If given a choice between free will and happiness I choose happiness.
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>>84603141
Why should I care about progress or history? They're both tools to try to attain happiness on a societal level. If we can achieve happiness forever for everyone, I'd gladly give them up. I don't see what's wrong with having sweet dreams for eternity.
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>>84603334
i must kill you for the sake of my wife and my happiness.
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>>84603453
And I you.
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>>84603334
why not just blow your life savings on drugs and spend the rest of your life in bliss, then.
>>
I'm new to SMT and decided to play all of the main series in order, should I get the Kyūyaku Megami Tensei for the first and second?
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>>84603639
Yes.
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>>84603639
play the nes one, fagget.
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>>84603627
Because drugs are imperfect and have equally bad lows as they have highs. I prefer to live in naive contentment than to feel momentary highs. Not really SMT at this point though.
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>>84603334
>I don't see what's wrong with having sweet dreams for eternity.
Why don't you kill yourself then? You'll definitely have sweet dreams for eternity.
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>>84603752
I can't stand NES graphics
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>>84603893
>Implying you dream after you die
I wish
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>>84603539
>Strange journey: Featuring Lady gaga from shitty music industry
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>>84602685


Here's what you chaosfags don't realize though. You're not disturbed by it being a dubious place to live, since it makes it clear that its not, but rather just how alien it seems. If you were to flip it around, and someone from that society came to neutral earth to live for a few days, and was asked whether they think its better, they'd consider the idea that that's even in question laughable. Hordes of people constantly fighting, starving to death, various forms of depression and suffering and suicide, and even when things aren't going shittily still having to constantly work a job you'd probably rather not just to achieve a mediocre life. And what do you get in return? The freedom to choose from a set of choices you will never really understand the full ramifications of... in the hopes of MAYBE achieving a life that's probably almost as good as what each of them have automatically. And you handwave that even if you get this, there's hordes of people starving in exchange.

All because you aren't really big into philosophy, but vaguely have the idea that you think that a paradise would be bad if you didn't have your current standards of "freedom" there despite knowing that in this paradise you wouldn't care, and it wouldn't matter, NOT knowing that such a thing as "freedom" isn't really as real as you imagine anyways, and admitting you don't care about people who have it bad since you think that you don't, despite it being obvious that you know they'd want it.
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>>84603639
Sure, but if you want to skip them for some of the newer or more streamlined games, feel free to do so.
Don't tell us though. You disgusting casual.
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>>84604040
Nah I like to play games in any series in order since if I play the newer ones first, I most likely won't enjoy playing the older ones after that
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>>84604027
tl;dr
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>>84604027
Fuck you, goku you dont tell me what to do.
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>>84604025
At least Zelenin has a great singing voice.
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>>84603639
Books first, and you might want to play KMT after 1/2 just because it was made after.

Story wise, it won't matter.

http://ddsdork.wordpress.com/digital-devil-story-novels/
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>>84604027

Wouldn't you rather die of the plague while a bunch of sweaty guys punch eachother in the dick, though?
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>>84604027
Its bad because its taking a shortcut that neuters the end result. Rather than eventually achieve a society where people are equally happy but also free, you settle for lobotomizing your way straight there. You could have done better but you settled.
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>>84604272
How are the books anyway?
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>>84604272
I don't read very often because I don't have the attention span for it, what are the books about?
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>>84604447
Horrible, but very short reads. It was interesting to see how it all started, and elements from the book being used in KMT1 especially.
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>>84604379
You forgot about the fujos schlicking to the sweaty guys in the corner of that rotten world
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>>84604379
>punching other in the dick a bad thing

Sissy lawfags.

>>84604272
>epub

i fucking love you anon.
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>>84604537
If you are the anon who wants to start from the beginning, you will "need" to read these. KMT1 takes place after them, and they're the original story the entire series was based on.

Play them by release date, SMT1, SMT2, KMT, and idk hopefully Gideon fucking finishes If... this month

>>84604640
I lucked out on finding that one dudes upload. Reading pdf files is a fucking pain.
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>>84604794
>Gideon fucking finishes If... this month
>its already 26

Nope.
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>>84604794
isn't KMT SMT1+2?
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>>84605026
No, they are Megami Tensei 1 & 2.
The others are Shin Megami Tensei.
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>>84604794
I feel bad for not updating lately, but idk. I'm broke and getting burnt out on SMT. Former stressing me out, and latter meaning no will to do anything.
So while I'm blabbing about it, any requests? I only really do games I've played, hence a focus on older titles.

I have a doujin I wanna upload, some old posts with interesting info (I wanted to get some screenshots for them though), TSUMIXBATSU which is just a cute website I don't want to be lost to time, and the KMT maps. I want to do the other games too, but I'd rather finish KMT first. idk. I did some SMT2 ones, but I didn't transfer them.

Speaking of being broke, I bought some English guides. Nocturne, Raidou 1, Persona 1, and Persona 2 EP. And SMT2 in Japanese. But I don't have a scanner, don't unbind books... I know some of the pdf of the books are up, I could type stuff out from them. I dunno man.

>>84605025
See pic.
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>>84605210
So wouldn't it come before SMT 1 and 2 in terms of release order?
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>>84605586
Nah, it was a remake in the smt engine
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>>84605586
Go read the books while I do you a type up, confused bro.
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>>84604410

Lord, not this again. Were you not here when your bad logic was debunked last time? I'm suspecting it was you since you're wording it almost identically. What you're referring to is nonsensical / a contradiction. In this society you're describing, CAN people do these bad things, or are they a real considered choice? If so, then a statistically likely percentage will do so, so of course people aren't as happy. If they're not realistic options for anyone there / so alien to the people who live there that no one does them... then all you're doing is describing you slowly shifting to the same extreme law end, but pretending that if you do it gradually instead of fast that it "doesn't count." People can't be both free and not free in a specific way. If they can't realistically make these choices, then you're just playing word games to alleviate your realization that this outcome is correct.

You are also acting like the people in this world don't count as being regularly alive... based on nothing. They act differently than regular humans? So would humans who over thousands of years gradually got to a peaceful world. You're just admitting that you're having a fearful reaction to a universal radical personality shift, since you imagine your current self as your "real self." But there's no such thing. This is just shifting faster. And you can't have both equal happiness plus the freedom to choose not have it. That's not statistically feasible. This is beyond what you want
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>>84605687
Can you point me out where to download SMT1 in english for GBA, then? I can't find it in the pastebins
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>>84604379
man i wish we had higher res artwork of the ends for SJ
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>>84604551
All the fujoshits would be dead in SJ's chaos world.
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>>84606003
Because it doesn't exist in English.
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>>84606003
I don't think we've had a translation, your choices are the snes one with a translation and map patch or the iOS one
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>>84606101
so point me out where I can get the snes one?
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>>84606003
Maybe you are confusing the IOS version of SMT 1 that is in english.

We only have the Snes version in the pastebin.
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I hope that you loved chiaki and her world of beautiful things, /smtg/.
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Guy trying to play SMT1 in PSP here.

Did you guys played using the Order patch? do I have to hardpatch it to make it work?
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>>84606179
The pastebin.
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>>84606242

>fuck all poor people.
>all the selfishness of classical objectivism, but now with an angelic veneer!
>I-its totally meritocratic or something, guys! Ignore that I'm the entitled rich girl.
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>>84606301
The game is kind of unbeatable without Orden's fix.
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>>84606348
>>84606190
this shit is kinda confusing, so let me see if I understand it.

Megami Tensei 1 and 2 were released for the NES, then Kyuukaku Megami Tensei was released for the SNES, which is basically a remake of the MT1+2

Then they released SMT1 and 2, which is another remake of the original games, but in a better engine, is that it?
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>>84606518
When I try to run it the emulator crashes.
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>>84606446
>fuck poor people
>implying that money is beautiful

I just want a world of pure strength, and beauty.

My perfect fujo world.
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>>84605910
The world in the Law ending guarantees a moderate form of happiness, but not complete happiness. In fact it downright ensures that no one in that world will be able to achieve true happiness. The Law ending replaces humanity's chance to achieve the enlightenment Gore foresaw with complacency. True utopia won through humanity's perseverance and progress dashed so that they could be fed second place with a silver spoon with God's name stamped on. Enlightenment and becoming spiritually aligned with the universe is true utopia, because it doesn't have downsides.

And I've never argued this with you before. That just means there's more than one sane man alive.
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>>84606619
Smt are separate games
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>>84606619
No, SMT 1 and 2 are originals games, KMT is the remake of the first two on the nes.

KMT even means "Megami Tensei the old testament"
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>>84606619
please just read the books
play smt1
smt2
kmt
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>>84606950
>>84606861
So is it worth playing KMT before SMT?
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>>84607017
Yes.

And watch the OVA.
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>>84606997
KMT comes after SMT1 and 2 in terms of history?
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>>84607113
The ova sucks ass man
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>>84606791
To be fair Gore couldnt even foresee what path the protagonist would choose. I would take his words with a grain of salt.
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>>84607137
If you are worried about game mechanics, going from KMT to the two SMT will be painful.
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>>84607137
No, most of the games have not real connection exept for SMT1 and SMT 2
>>84607154
its cheesy like the books.
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>>84607137
No but it made significant improvements and if you go to smt after kmt you'll want to kill yourself plus it'll lessen your appreciation for how much smt 2 improved on the formula
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>>84607316
And If... along with Devil Summoner an Soul Hackers

There's an argument that IV was set after SJ too
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>>84607556
Who else thought for a moment that The Black Samurai was a part of Jack's Squad?
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>going to buy Soul Hackers on eshop because of sale
>memory too low to download
welp
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>>84606791

You ran out of real things to say, so now you're just making stuff up that's either real nor in-game. What is this "true" happiness you can achieve only in a neutral world, and why should we even believe there's such a thing, and that it requires "freedom," a thing which is just a word for something you imagine yourself as having, but which realistically doesn't even exist? If law's goal is to prevent any suffering or detriment, chances are they're filling people with as much happiness as they can fit. And the ending makes it clear that in this case its happening in a way people approve of.

You appear to be referring to ecstasy, and the hedonistic highs that you experience that are inter-spaced with lows. Which is ironic in that most philosophers in the past of real merit, as well as psychologists now will tell you that that's not how to achieve the best happiness, but rather a consistent inner calm and inner happiness that is a consistent state. In other words, what you get in law. So you would sacrifice world peace now on a gamble that you admit will fuck over countless generations, all so that MAYBE in the far future, SOME people will have a chance to have it even better... based on some ill defined standards of happiness you assume exist, but can't identify.

If you think that more freedom is necessary in order to achieve this true happiness then for that matter, why stop at neutral? What makes neutral's restrictions okay? Go full chaos.
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>>84607954
>>going to buy _________ on eshop because of sale
>battery too low
>cant purchase
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>>84608380
>not charging your fuckign 3ds
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>>84548925
I did not know this? When does it happen?
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>>84565403
It was in Majin Tensei II: Spiral Nemesis as Shibaboo.

And some Cell Phone games too apparently.
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The only reason this is ~hidden~ is because I'm too lazy to go through all the franchises.

http://ddsdork.wordpress.com/english-game-guide/
pw is mastema
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BEHOLD MY DEMONS

>agi
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>>84607218
If it comes down to whether or not to trust in Gore and humanity then I know which side I'm on.

>>84607983
Gore directly states that he learned of humanity's infinite potential when he gained his enlightened form. Gore sees a future that is higher and better than the one you settle for in Law. He knows it is possible for humanity to achieve greater and has seen it with his own eyes. I'm making nothing up, whereas you put words in my mouth and claim the support of dead philosophers. I believe I've said all I needed to say, this bickering will go nowhere.
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About to start SMT2. Is the backtracking really that bad? Is there a good guide I can use anywhere? GFaqs one seems kinda lacking
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>>84608717
When you change titles? Have you played the first Raidou game? That's a thing, as you gain more loyalty your title changes when you talk to the Yatagarasu chick.
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What's the best platform for SMT 1?
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>>84609231
Yes its bad but the guide still helps.
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>>84609251
iOS
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>>84609438
fuck you apul drone.
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>>84609438
Ugh, and after that?
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>>84609250
I never played the first one. I played the second but never saw it change to Morningstar.
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>>84609251
>>84609537
You only have two choices for it in English: SNES or iOS - they're both pretty much the same anyway.
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>>84609596
Well it is one of the titles in the first one. Mystery solved
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>>84609251
COMPs
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>>84609231
Sorry anon, someday I will do maps. After you've already forgotten about the game.
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>>84609231
Really bad, the pillars still haunt me nowadays.
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>>84609421
>>84609912
>>84610092
Guess I'll just keep the guide handy anyway then.
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>>84609680
What kind of computer is a COMP exactly?
What OS runs?
What are the specs?
HOW DO I BUILD ONE.
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>>84610446
Ask Mr Hawking for one
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Post Mastema please
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>>84610752
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If you could put any SMT character in smash, who would it be?
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anyone have the son of man captioned Mastema pic?
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>>84610752
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>>84607983
>You appear to be referring to ecstasy, and the hedonistic highs that you experience that are inter-spaced with lows
nigga did you even read what he wrote?
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>>84611093
None, Smash is shit.
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>>84611093
Flynn
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>>84610446
why dont we just code a demon summoning program ourselves
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>>84611093
Jack Bros
any other choice is wrong
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For someone who isn't really familiar with the franchise at all, is there any in-game way to tell which demons are Dark and can't be recruited and to tell what their alignment is? Should I just have the wiki ready to search every demon I stumble across?
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>>84611287

Yeah.

>Enlightenment and becoming spiritually aligned with the universe is true utopia, because it doesn't have downsides.

This line can be summarily dismissed, since that's effectively what the core of the law ending is, and so deviating from it means you reject the idealized version. The only thing gained is the fluctuating highs and lows of freedom, and valuing individual highs and experience as more important than apatheia. Just because new agers pretend that they can call anything they want spiritual doesn't mean they're saying anything of substance.
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>>84611671
which game
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>>84611093
Jack Frost
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>>84611727
Ah, the first. Also the second too since I'll probably follow up with it afterwards.
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>>84611808
Can he turn into Ace Frost when he gets the smash ball?
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>>84611479
because we are dumb fucks
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>>84611812
When you defeat a demon you can see his/her alignment in the demon analyze option of your comp.
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>>84611965
Nice projecting. I am not a fuck.
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>>84611812
Hmmm, I dunno, I usually just recognized their speech patterns after awhile.

How far are ya? Make sure you get like 10 int on Hero, or the demons won't wanna talk to you no matter what.

>>84612013
oh right, also this. but i think the analyze is shit.
you can talk to whoever you want, except like... ghosts.
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>>84611479
We don't know shit about rituals.
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>>84611925
Yes
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>>84611693
>The only thing gained is the fluctuating highs and lows of freedom
the reason why enlightenment works is because it takes the fluctuating away, when you are one with all there is no high nor low

and I know Im focusing on this one part, its the most important thing in this discussion to me
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>>84612079
>Make sure you get like 10 int on Hero

That reminds me, was there ever any benefit to investing more than those minimal 10 points of int and mag into Aleph? Same for the 10 Int in the first game's Hero. I never bothered going over 10 and seemed to do fine.
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>>84611693
>Just because new agers pretend that they can call anything they want spiritual doesn't mean they're saying anything of substance.
You realize spirits are real things in SMT right?
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>>84611965
>>84612135
we could always find crazy cultists who'll teach us to summon demons

and I'm sure /g/ would be interested in aiding the creation of a demon summoning program
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>>84612659
Not to my memory
God picking all your stats at the start of the game with no explanation is such archaic design, glad later smts got rid of it
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>>84613065
Ask /x/ there's enough legit crazy cultists there amount all the /b/ shitposters.
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>>84612659
>>84613162
I think it aids your magic defense, and I saw someone say it effects negotiations to an extent, but probably not enough to matter.

I still use every incense on the main char, yolo.
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>>84613162
>God picking all your stats at the start of the game with no explanation is such archaic design, glad later smts got rid of it

SMT and most other RPGs that did that had explanations of all the stats in the manual, back then it was pretty much assumed people read manuals - which was always a good idea.
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>>84606301
>>84606301
Anyone has a pre-patched ROM that works? I already tried with two different ROMs both hardpatcged and with the patch in the same place but it either crashes or there's an error in the ROM.
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>>84613879
>I still use every incense on the main char, yolo.

No reason not to, especially in SMT where the Law and Chaos heroes permanently leave your party anyway.
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>>84615413
Heroine exists and can actually cast magic.
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Why is SMT so BL friendly?
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>>84615812
Hero can use the defence.
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>>84615816
I blame deSu 2 and that Satanj hugging scene.
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>>84615816
Because the law alignment exists.
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>>84616207
Law and Chaos are equally gay.
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>>84616283
Not while Chiaki is my waifu they aren't.
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>>84616379
I see your dead Chiaki and raise you a live Yuko
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Why are the White so freaked out about YHVH winning?
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is SMT 4 good? It's on sale for 3DS and was wondering. Is the 3D for it any good?
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>>84619265
I don't use the 3D at all in anything, but I've heard there's a sweet spot you have to find for it to get good. The game itself is pretty good, especially when it's on sale.
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Does Nocturne have any missables if I want to do a 100% run?
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>>84619379
>there's a sweet spot you have to find for it to get good
that's just the 3DS in general. the new 3DS is supposed to fix that by making it able to be 3D from any angle
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>>84619425
I dont think so, you have up to the reason lock to get everything.
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>>84619459
I meant on the slider. Turn it up too much or too little and it apparently just looks "broken."

Other Atlus game are like this too.
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>>84619459

It'll be awhile before it'll come to the states though.

I wonder if Atlus will make anything in the future N3DS exclusive.
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>>84619745
oh! well thanks for the warning on that then. I will definitely keep that in mind

>>84619748
I sure hope so. I'm mostly gonna get it for xenoblade but I love that they put in extra buttons. I hope they make an app for it to be able to connect to the wii u and function as an extra pro controller. I love this thing so much
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Wait, SMT IV is out already? I thought it wasn't due out for another 3 days?
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>>84619909
it's out in america and it's on sale thats why i am asking
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>>84619909
Are you a Europoor? If so then it will be out in, like, 3 days. IDK I'm not a European.
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>>84619909
>>84619968
>SMT4 on sale for over 50% off on the NA eShop and Amazon to celebrate it's release in Europe

Oh Nintendo, you cads.
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>>84620023
Australian, so 4 days since it's apparently out on the 31st here.

>>84619968
Oh, I see. Damn.
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>>84620096

Wouldn't that be more of Atlus' choice?
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>>84620096
>To celebrate the release in other countries, americans get a discount.

You make us wait an extra year and a half and then give them discounts? What the fuck.
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>>84547335
What if Zelenin a Purse Owner
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>>84623362
Useless.

Can't do shit without a man turning her into an angel or giving her a persona she won't ever use..
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>>84616557

>Shit side character.

>Fails at even coming up with a plan much less doing it.
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>>84623248
It's the Germans, French, etc who make us wait, don't blame clapistan.
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>>84623438
B-but you could waifu her
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>>84623574
But she's useless!
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>>84616557
I like Yuko, don't get me wrong, the whole mature teacher is really appealing.

But she is the stupidest character in Nocturne, and high up among all the retarded retards from the whole series and spinnoffs.
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>>84623613
But waifu!
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>>84617928

Because they're not law aligned, and they're afraid that he might eventually lawify all reality?

A better question is why it sounded like they were saying yhvh wasn't even law. It sounds like they were saying that the battle between law and chaos was all orchestrated by him as part of an even bigger process. It didn't particularly sound like they were more afraid of law ends than chaos ends. What it sounded like was that they were afraid of both, and saw both as tools in yhvh's game somehow.

Or maybe they just mean that he occasionally allows some chaos shit to happen in order to push law more at a different time. However that works. Ironically, this might mean that mastema and the archangels were both right in different ways, because they both saw it as a different step in the plan.
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>>84623362
How fitting that Zelenin dresses up as worst girl.
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>>84623795
Forget waifu, she won't even use her Persona unless it's something from the Heavenly Host! That's one way to get oneself killed fast.
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>>84623889
The Lady in Black mentions in Nocturne that the universe is perpetuated with the eternal battle between Law and Chaos. Demons, humans, even the smallest of bacteria are pawns to the two powers.

Even the conception is a process that involves destruction (Chaos) and creation (Order), and the battle continues to wage on beyond the Vortex World.

And in Raidou Lucifer mentions that is determined by God.
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hello, smtg. i took a long break from playing giten but i've been playing more of it here and there since the windows edition was posted for download publicly on tumblr and still doesn't work reliably for me, go figure, so i figured i'd drop my really quick translation of the story summary up to where i've reached here for anyone interested. this starts from a few hours into the game.

http://pastebin.com/QvsUP1Cz

this is where the game really gets interesting, imo, since it's finally getting to the meat of the plot and i imagine there'll be a lot more law/chaos choices popping up from here on out.
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>>84624409

But the obvious assumption is that God wants to ultimately law-ify everything. And the battle is ongoing either because chaos is still messing it up, or because each world exists on its own so it might not even be possible to permanently do anything. And the cycle helps push anything not law back onto law. So are they trying to say that God isn't actually law in the way that the law side imagines that it is? Or what.
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>>84625348
God and what He is varies depending on the game to a certain degree.

IV seems to treat him as a concept, with Lucifer even commenting that no matter how loyal you are to him, He will never answer, and it comes off like Mastema and the Four Archangels are trying their own paths to pleasing Him.

Even his avatars can't be fully trusted to represent him, as they have to manifest into the world with a physical form. Demiurge even went rouge.

And then you get things like God's Wrath which was the nukes that ruined the world and God's Scheme which let the demons out.
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>>84626335
>>84625348
Also if you read the details for the Law quest for slaying the White. One of them will have Gabriel mention that the White gained knowledge beyond their ken.

So it's likely they gained knowledge of God's true nature.
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>>84625331
What are the differences between the PC98 and windows versions?
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>>84626587
graphics (worse as far as sprites are concerned, more colourful and intricate backgrounds and it isn't pixellized), music (some anons here have said they prefer it greatly over the original), interface, and playing speed. 98 version is slow and tedious until you get used to having to click everything.
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>>84626562

...But this is smt. God's true nature s either lawful... secretly neutral? Lawful, but allows neutral worlds to exist in order to make lawful people through universalism... or doesn't give a fuck and lets it go back and forth, but angels pretend he wants law. There's only so many options.
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>>84626675
>98 version is slow and tedious until you get used to having to click everything
Yeah, I know. Thought it was a nice game after getting used to it though. Didn't play much.
Thanks for clearing that up, it looks like I have to download the windows version too, although I don't really like the interface in your screenshots.
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>>84626902
Well Kagutsuchi said God gave people freedom (Chaos or Neutral?) but was utterly disgusted with what mankind did with it so thats why he began the conception (Law). So God true nature is still a mistery.
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>>84627004
honestly, as attached as i am to the 98 version, i'd opt for the windows one if i had the choice even though its sprite quality is ridiculous. especially in the first quarter of the game, giten is heavy on dungeon crawling and moving between the directional buttons and the battle commands can be a pain. pretty sure i'm close to developing carpal tunnel.

in the windows version, you can also move around the modules however you want, so there's that.
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>>84627121
>directional buttons
Couldn't you move with the keyboard? I'm pretty sure. Would check right now, if I was home but I'm not unfortunately.
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>>84628149
afaik you can't in 98, unless it's possible by fiddling with the settings. i've never tried since it seems a bit redundant.
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>>84603159
I'll emulate John the Savage here and say "Go fuck yourself, I'd rather suffer for all eternity that tolerate that bullshit".
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>>84631350
Sounds like someone's getting Dystopian up in here...
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>>84604027
This.
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Foolish sons of man
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>>84636712
>Trading enlightenment for a never ending drug trip
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>>84643485
*fart*
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About to go into my Spanish Exam Part 1 in roughly 4 hours.
Have to write an essay of sorts in 300 words, more or less.
I'm paranoid as hell nothing I study will work. Basically, usual exam stress and mental pain.

Anybody have some words of encouragement?
Or things like RIP Anon?
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>>84644342
Not your blog, hope you fail.
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>>84643649

Where have you been?
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>>84644524
Yeah, yeah, fuck you too.
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Everyone always says how burtally hard Nocturne is, but what about the other mainline games? Are they hard as well or all pretty easy?
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>>84644650

If you're familiar with the ins and outs of fusion and all the other stuff most megatens shouldn't bee too hard.
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>>84644342
Learn a civilized language.
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