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Canon relationships edition.

Last thread >>83723374

-LATEST NEWS-
>P4U2 is OUT in North America!
>P4DAN delayed until 2015, primarily worked on by P-Studio but Dingo still assisting
>NA release date for PQ is November 25th, Japan was June 5th, Europe is November 28th

-GUIDES-
>General Persona Guide
http://pastebin.com/QPB3QuNm
>Persona 1 Guide
http://persona1.wikidot.com/start

-ARENA LINKS-
>Starter websites to learn:
http://www.brokentier.com/blogs/news/8362824-persona-4-arena-simple-character-guide
http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?14134-P4A-Gameplay-Primer
http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Persona_4:_Arena

-DOWNLOADS-
>Art, Guides, Music and more (Persona only, contains P4U/P4U2 story transcripts and sprite/texture/script rips)
http://pastebin.com/4e3U9j2S
>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads (Persona and SMT)
http://pastebin.com/fgVp423S
>P4 Dengeki Comic Anthology
http://www.mediafire.com/?4kjjaf0jtw2jyj3
>Persona/SMT image collection
http://www.mediafire.com/?9j3us2v34coua

-MANGA SCANS-
http://personascans.tumblr.com/
http://www.mediafire.com/personascans#unst48ukbu457

-TRANSLATED MANGA SCANS-
http://pastebin.com/CX8q1FLp

-ARENA PLAYERS MATCHUP DOC-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6GZ6nt7cRyoWpR9_Bqyud8nCoDuLAcz-GcHyle71zQ/edit#gid=0

-P4U2 IMAGE/SOUND/MOVIE/PALETTE RIPS-
http://pastebin.com/CJSExUkj

-P4U2 NEW MUSIC TRACKS-
http://www.mediafire.com/download/l7at2vtrrb8l8t0/NEW+P+MUSIC+-+with+titles.rar

-P4U2 English Patch + DLC Unlock- [Retail Ver.]
https://mega.co.nz/#!TVpnwR6L!hsQ16zVErcuiz4pI8dJ8m7NasJpDKzDIzZbmHIL2pyY

-P1P Music Unfuck Pre-Patched Iso-
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wbz6rpqrqt0pfqb

-P4tGA OP/ED CD-
https://mega.co.nz/#!MpNBjKCQ!PLPWWvi7F7QY127aPPL90BjkMOYy1xisSlw96t7Abhw
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For my waifu <3
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>>83805487
Enjoy your dead corpse
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>>83805423
You said canon relationships but didn't post Yu x Naoto?
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4th for love
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>>83805487
My waifu is Izanami but i'd a Rei.
I'm a fat guy with a fedora by the way.
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>>83805556
Kanji and Naoto was confirmed by atlus a long time ago
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6th for RUNS
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I use Minazuki, should I learn Sho ?
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>>83805534
I will. Nothing gets in the way of true love.
>>83805594
Paws off my waifu, go back to your maggotvag.
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>>83805625
>Kanji and Naoto was confirmed by atlus a long time ago
LOOK AT HIM

LOOK AT HIM AND LAUGH
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>>83805487
So Maki, then?
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>>83805625
[citation needed]
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>>83805712
>People who can't accept their waifu loves someone other than the cool self-insert
Truly the worst kind of person.
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For positive thinking
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>>83805487
Man I hate her and Zen's designs so much
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Do you remember all your options anon?
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>>83805737
Maki isn't as cute. Besides, the best P1 girl is Elly.
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a-am I getting better senpai?
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>>83805778
But she doesn't love Kanji

The whole joke is that Kanji's crush on her is painfully unrequited
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Is Rise easy to play? What's her general playstyle/strategy?

In general, which newcomers would you recommend? I'm not all that interested in the first Arena game's characters except for Aigis, but I like the look of a lot of the newcomers.

>>83805824
I generally forget that One More Cancels and Guard Cancels exist.
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>>83805685
>Calls others maggotvag
>Own waifu is also dead

>>83805808
I liked their alternate designs better, the ones in the artbook

>>83805778
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>>83805924
honestly, most of the cast is relatively easy since they all have an auto-combo, just play with someone you like and learn how to combo and you'll be fine. I haven't played Rise enough to get a good idea on how to work her.
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>>83805824
furious action is what you guys mean when you say DP?
>>83805928
my waifu is too pure for maggots
she's dead but she turned into sparkles and isn't a giant skeleton bitch
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someone make an ultimax thread

goddamn
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>>83805928
So it's canon?
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>>83805778
Kanji likes her.
She is oblivious.

I don't even want her to like Yu, but the universe is determined that everyone suck his dick.
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someone merge us with /smtg/

goddamn
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>>83806169
persona general is for everything persona related, including that thing you don't like.
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>>83805639
pls don't ignore
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>>83805625
>>83805778
Good bait
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>>83805870
yeah, but I wouldn't use AOA on the j.C
if I change the angle a bit I can bait stuff out

I'm also playing like trash today for some reason
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Hey, I actually landed a hit on buttface that time.

We're all gonna make it.
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>>83806301
Sho is a gimped minazuki, no. You can if you want to but it's not worth it.
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>>83806301
mabye you should ask ark sys general or mabye fgg anon :^)
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>>83806292
>>83806261
it's not that I don't like it, it's just dominating the conversation
like half of last thread was fightan
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>>83806425
then steer the damn conversation
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>>83806301
Maybe.
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>>83806314
Thank you
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For Kindness
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iebattlegrounds on Twitch is streaming Ultimax
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>>83806621
for bullying
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so is PQ gonna have preorder bonuses
or can I just pick it up at the store when payday comes around
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You know what fuck Killing Floor and steam, i wanna play now.
Anyone out of the lobby wanna help each other with that junpei achievement?
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I fucking the ending to ultimax, fuck you all
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>>83806425
Why don't you bring something up to fucking talk about instead of bitching?
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>>83806813
you missed a word
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>>83806169
Here, I got you a less faggy version of that.
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>>83806716
if you pick up a first run copy of the game it still has the "pre-order bonus" in it
it's a dumb sega thing
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I really need to stop calling deathbound on aegis
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>>83806841
i'm very sorry

>>83806873
thanks
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>>83806813
Can't tell if you hate or like it.
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So whats everyones opinion on sho as a new character? Did he grow on you as the story went on? I really liked him at the end
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>>83806985
I haven't finished the P3 story or got the true ending yet, but I despise Sho. Minazuki is fine.
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>>83806985
I think the general consensus on /pg/ when he was initially revealed that he was a stupid faggot. When we got more details on him we began to warm up to him and laughed at his tryhard edgy behavior. We still laughed at him even when the game was released.
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>>83806716
There's the stanard edition with just the Tarrot cards that's first run
And then you have the Wildcard Edition with comes with limited edition box, 3DS case, some other stuff, and the tarrot cards
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>>83806942
The SP version usually gets me because I keep forgetting it's a overhead.
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>>83807103
>3ds case
fat lot of good that does me

>tfw nothing nice will ever come out for the 2DS
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>>83806985
i like him
>>83807103
i already paid off my $80 for the wild cards edition
i might buy the 3DS XL too
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>>83805423

Nanako a best. I want to see her as a young teenager.

She's also the only P4 girl who isn't a shitty person who's internal conflict is resolved by the game's message of "just accept you're a shitty person instead of trying to change or hide it".
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>>83807103
So regular PQ is going to have the cards anyway? You just saved me 40 bucks.
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>>83805423
Canon relationships you say?
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>>83806387
Alright, thanks.

I got beat up bad by Sho, that's why I asked. I should just focus on gitting gud with Minazuki then.
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>>83807254
She's a fucking child. She doesn't have those kind of complexes yet.

And there is something about teenage Nanako art that I despise. Every time I see teen Nanako with those stupid pigtails, it just upsets me because it makes her look stupid.
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>>83806985
Sho is pretty fucking funny. Minazuki is boring.
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shutting the lobby down in about 15
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>>83807103
the wild cards edition has the 3DS XL case, tarot cards, an art book and the arranged album
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>>83806621
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>>83807390
>Minazuki's face when Yu told him "BUT MINAZUKI YOU WERE ALWAYS BONDING ALL ALOOOOOONG"
>And then Minazuki became a bond

I couldn't stand it. He looked so stupid and him not realizing the bond thing was dumb.
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>>83807254
>isn't a shitty person who's internal conflict
What, is this because she doesn't have a shadow that pops out to call her a shithead? She's too young to have one.

>just accept you're a shitty person instead of trying to change or hide it
I'm pretty sure every social link involves characters breaking down when they realise they're being a shithead and then working to change it by rank 10
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>>83807374

She won't be forever. Plus she's precocious enough to have feelings even at that young age. She's gonna marry her onii-chan when she grows up.
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>>83807536
>MC's clothes are too big for Fuuka
2cute
>You're screwed, i sense death
That's the MC i know
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>>83807618
Lots of young children even younger than Nanako say they want to marry someone. It's not even being precocious. It's shit little kids say all the time.
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https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=door+to+persona+piano
Anyone know the name of the song that plays in the save menu? I'm afraid to really dig for it because of spoilers
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>>83807618
Yu seems like the kind of person whose standards of grooming are too high for him to let himself get stubble
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>>83807812
Don't you get it? Every girl in Persona 4 wants Yu's dick. Every girl. Nanako isn't immune to the pull of onii-chan's cock.
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>>83807829
oh fuck me, I posted the wrong link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNDrsxvHPTI&list=PL9C6B944DED88D881&index=2
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what are the odds we'll see Trish in P5
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>>83807854
being a teacher is living hell
you end up letting things like standards go
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>>83808073
Inbetween P4 and P5 the fox ran into Trish and the two were accidentally fused into foxy Trish.

Their greed has since grown tenfold.
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>>83808073
-150%

i'd like to see soejima draw some of the old characters, though
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>>83808073
old and irrelevant just like anything else from P1/2
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>all those input messups and all out attacks

Ugh. I think that's enough ultimax for today.
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>>83808073
Would be hilarious if she showed up.
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>>83807374
>>83807254
>>83807618
This is the only acceptable version of teenage Nanako that I like. That being said, I don't want to see any P4 characters again
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ggs you guys.
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>>83808073
Shes in Q disquised as liz
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>>83808487
That looks like Chihiro with Yukiko's hairstyle
Do not want
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>>83808709
is this bait or are you for real
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>>83808787
liz just wears pink clothes in Q
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>>83808787
What the fuck do you think retard?
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>>83808487

>That being said, I don't want to see any P4 characters again

I wouldn't mind Nanako being the MC and the old cast of P4 being side/cameo characters.

But chances are every game is going to feature a new cast with no references to old casts, outside of Velvet Room characters.
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>>83808851
>pink clothes
Its a pink nurse outfit, and she shows up in the middle of dungeons to heal you for a price.
She straight up says the iconic give and take line
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>>83808931
>But chances are every game is going to feature a new cast with no references to old casts, outside of Velvet Room characters.
fucking good

naoto's my waifu but i'd be fine if she along with the rest of P4 never showed up again
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>>83808487
I'd be fine with her being a side character not part of the main team, and doing her own thing, like Tamaki in P1/2
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>>83808851
oh
dang

>>83808864
I'M SORRY

>>83808967
neat
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>>83808931
>I wouldn't mind Nanako being the MC and the old cast of P4 being side/cameo characters.

I do mind. I don't want to see Nanako again either.
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>>83809148
I want Maiko to return as a slutty party member.
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>>83809164
That's gross and you're gross.
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>>83809164
I want to see Maiko again too
Wonder what happened to her dream of marrying MC and if she found out he died
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How do you guys control space/movement in your matches? I've never played these kinds of fighters, being vastly different from SF. I find myself dialing in combos like a machine, but that's only in training. When I'm in an actual match I mash like a retard when moving around, so how do you guys control your movement?
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>>83809164
Please stop saying stupid shit.
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>>83809314
What character?
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>>83807254
Yu needs to hold off on those other bitches. Wait until Nanako becomes the ripe age of 18. Then his patience will pay off, because Nanako is best girl.
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>>83809486
Adachi/Chie.
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I'm thinking about playing Teddie exclusively now. People online seem like they don't understand how to deal with him and I'm not even really good.
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>>83809581

>18
>implying

16 is the age of consent. 15 is a gray area.
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Is margaret even good?
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>>83809950
Yes.
>>83809736
Do you find him fun? Then do it. Otherwise don't.
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>>83809950
if you have taste, you'd pick adachy baby instead

nah just fucking with ya, she's pretty good
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>>83810054
I love him
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>>83810180
Looks like you found your character then.
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>>83809736
Memorize the pattern that items come out. You can set up unblockables via rage. Plus he needs combos just for him thanks to his weird hitbox.
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post the oldest /pg/ thing you can find on your computer
https://archive.moe/vg/thread/42989628/#43010626
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>>83811718
>the dunk hour
I lost it
My oldest Persona image is Yuko's portrait
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>>83811718
I don't know if this is the oldest but things like this are probably the oldest when I wasn't just posting about the game.
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>>83811718
This
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Challenge 25 complete! How can I defeat stingray and unlock the real ending to P4AU?
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What the fuck were they doing with Persona 2?
I thought mudo/maha were bad in P3, but that was nothing compared to this

>different types of instant KO attacks, like sharpshoot which doesn't ever miss
>sharpshoot
>sharpshoot
>temporary persona sealing
>permanent persona sealing

And I can't forget the worst sin of all
>unmarked trap tiles that chunk your SP

Luckily the fusion spells are broken to hell.

Having said that, IS was pretty good.
Time for EP.
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>>83811718
I have a couple
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>>83812586
Summon the ghost of Steve Irwin to help you take him down and beat P3 story then tell Sho his power comes from bonds on the P4 side.
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>>83806985
Sho is one of the best Persona characters in a while, mostly thanks to how hilariously horrible his edge was.

The Plume inside him was also a pretty likable character in a totally different way. Despite being overly serious, it was surprisingly sympathetic and agreeable for an antagonist. Aside from the whole "destroy the world" business.

Shame they were pretty much the only redeeming quality of this game's fucking story.
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>>83812634
If you think that's crazy just wait til P1
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Is there a faster way to level my party in p3?

This is taking ages. Everyone is 43 and I'm 50. I don't know how I'll even do this in p4 with those expensive fucking heals.
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>>83812880
>P3P

and grind for what anyway?
The game is broken.
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>>83812634
>permanent persona sealing
Wot. This sounds horrific.
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>>83812972
>>83812880
wait I thought you meant the expensive heals were in P3. Im an asshole.
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>>83812972
I'm not playing portable

I'm trying to keep my party leveled so they don't get their shit kicked. I just know if I go "oh well I don't really need koro" the next boss will have dark spells out the ass.
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>>83813092
If you're using everyone equally it's completely natural for them to be several levels lower than you. Nothing you can do about it. It's the price you pay for versatility.
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>>83813092
Just wait until you unlock Monad.
The exp there, even on the first floor, is off th hook
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>>83812758
And here we have a pink alligator, truly a rare breed!
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>>83813079
Maybe you should try reading then post before being a dick
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>>83813017
Only happens in the final battle, but still annoying as all hell.

There's an item you can use to unseal it, but there's only a 50% chance of it working.
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>>83813218
More like here we have a red axe that can basically one shot you in a combo so you better block nigga.
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>>83813191
I get that as soon as I beat death right? I should be able to do that around when
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>play P3
>get to this part

Goddamn.

Up to this point, I thought Akihiko was one of those cool silent types who always had this collected composure about him and was able to attract bitches as if he was a female magnet.

Never thought he would be the type to drop his spaghetti all day.

And here I was, thinking that he probably already fucked Mitsuru when they were alone at SEES before the MC and Yukari came in.
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>>83813232
The spear thing goes away over time, and they cant lock multiple characters from the same enemy.
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>>83805423
>yfw Sega and Atlus makes a Persona/SMT MOBA
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>>83813339
He IS able to attract bitches, those of his own age. He wouldn't know what to do with them once he automatically reels them in, but he can attract them.

Women in their mid twenties don't want to date a high schooler.

There's a funny video you can unlock in the command room later that has him reading some dating tip book and blowing it.
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>>83813560
>It's canon, with an extensive multiplayer story mode
>Only surviving characters allowed
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>>83813414
Hitler's version doesn't go away, actually.
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why does yu have crazy eyes in PQ
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>>83813770
he bears a chunk of Izanami inside him
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>>83813575
>Women in their mid twenties don't want to date a high schooler.
My hentai says otherwise. One of you is a liar.
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>>83813560

Thankfully we will never have to worry about the Japanese being interested in moba's, because they don't like competitive games outside of fighting games.
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When chunking combos do you guys set goals like "do it five times" if you're struggling?
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>>83809314
For Adachi, it's different than most characters. If they have a good poke in neutral that you can't jump over and counter with j.C, you have to stay out of range and call certain things with 236A A and gunshot SB. When you've grabbed your opponent with 5C, you can end with gunshot A or 236A A, one pushes them further to the corner and the other gives you oki (gunshot).
You're either at the far end or in their face. If you're at full screen, test them with 5D and 2D should they be doing anything but trying to cover ground. And remember your Reversal Action covers a lot of ground, hits overhead and can be cancelled into a super.
If they have good air normals, all you have air to air is j.B, so instead remember 2B is your anti-air and 2C is for calling them out if they're jumping around too often.
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>>83813842
thank fuck
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>>83813949
What is an oki?
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>>83813853
I generally just set a certain time for combo grind. After that, I put it away and come back to it another time. It's nice to come back with a fresh mind and find yourself automatically hitting chains that used to feel impossible.
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>>83813853
I do it 10 times without fucking up every day. But even then I still fuck up the inputs online.
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>>83813560
What if they made a Persona MMO? ERP is actively encouraged.
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>>83814006
Oh, basically you recover before them, allowing you to continue attacking as if they try to they will get counterhit by your attack, and therefore have to block or use their reversal action.
So gunshot ender -> run up 5A/5B into block string or run up and block if you think they'll reversal.
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>>83814118
There was a smt mmo, and it got turned off.
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>>83814006
Okizeme.

It's the time right after you score a knockdown when you can take advantage of you recovering much faster than your opponent.
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>>83814156
Reversal action is furious action, right?
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>>83814118
>You see that person?
>You can social link with them
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>>83814229
Yes.
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>>83814207
God, that game was so complete bullshit.
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>>83814238
Already the perfect game, even if it was just a WoW clone.
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>>83813949
>poke with sb gunshot on what is literally the most meter devouring character in the game
>"test them with 2D"
>not doing sweep>gunshot or sweep>pain in the ass
>>83814006
oki is a fighting game term meaning okizeme, meaning they have to guess on their wakeup what you will do.
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>>83814238
I want a hockey waifu in P5.
or a least a figure skating one, I know Japan likes its figure skating.
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>>83814352
nice meme bro do you like wwe too?!
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>>83814238
>Social Anxiety: The Game
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>>83813770
Yosuke looks like a girl in this picture
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>>83814352
This is a man who spent his early adulthood being a traveling juggler. One who poured a milkshake on his head to avoid violent conflict. He himself belongs in the trash.
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Yes! I've been able to input my first Adachi combo with the 2C Shorthop 5C. This one's going in the baby book for sure!
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>>83815218
Is that hard? It sounds like you just duck, hit triangle and then r1 and then hit triangle again.
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>>83815548
Yeah, you can even mash the shorthop as 2C is coming out.
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>>83815548
It has some tight timing. Sweep SP Gunshot 5B 2C shorthop 5C 5B 2B 2C for 2950 dmg. C'mon guys just let me have this one
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>>83815763
Sweep gunshot is the easiest to loop. Have fun with DP>Heat Riser.
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>>83815763
Well, that's a combo.
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>>83813836
I'm in my late 20's and I wish I could date MC.

>tfw no anime bf
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>>83816151
just find a feminine short guy
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>>83816151

I am an anime male. Would you like me to cut your vagina with my pixelated penis?
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>>83816324
I'm a dude, anon.

;_;
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>>83816408

Gross.
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Will P5's climax and ending be as good as P3's or as shit as P4's?
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>>83814352
sweep is kinda awful unless you're on okizeme, anything from a 2A to a 5B will beat your ass. Good to try on gunshot, terrible fucking shit for its startup on neutral, memefriend.
And yes, you do test them with 2D if they're trying full screen persona setups.
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>>83817127

Whatever annoys you the most.
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>>83817127
The bad guy wins.
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>>83817350
Not with the themes they've talked about. You don't get catharsis from the bad guy winning.
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>>83817127
Would you go the route that makes you more money or less money? Take the general populaces opinion and there you have your answer.
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>>83815548
It's hard if you want to actually tennis it, if you mash it Magatsu will whiff for obvious reasons. You also have to dash before the 2C launch or it won't reach you on the way back, at least not consistently.
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>>83817229
i was talking about combos. after 5c you sweep>gunshot or sweep>pain in the ass. you'd never use it on oki, good lord. you want meaty 5a for oki almost always.

unrelated to that, with the sweep system changes in ultimax it low-profiles many attacks.

testing anything with 2d, or using it much at all aside from guaranteed hits(yosuke sukukaja fullscreen like an idiot, super punishes, combo use, etc.) is stupid. it's almost guaranteed to be hit costing you a card, and now you're one card closer to being broken and crippled, and also losing any buffs you had(because getting stand crashed makes heat riser and magatsu mandala go byebye.)
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>>83814352
to clarify: SB gunshot counter will scare your opponent because it tracks and easily gives you a combo, you don't spam it but you are supposed to use it as you would a poke. If you have 75 meter it's a easy Heat Riser combo from far-midscreen. 214SB 236A A Heat Riser A 2C hop j5C 66 5B 2B 2C.
Sweep->gunshot works sure but that depends on the combo, if you're ending a longer combo with 5C grab sweep->gunshot you actually end up losing oki because the opponent recovers faster. That's why I said it as general advice, so don't be so nitpicky. This is especially prevalent when it comes to sweep->236A A, they can actually recover straight to your face or way out of your range with no trouble in the air.
Testing with 2D is worth at least one card, if they punish it once you just stop unless you can confirm a really big whiff or j.2D someone under you and interrupt them before they can punish it.
There is also 2D (blocked) 214SB gunshot into a heat riser combo or mandala OMB, both of which are way fucking worth it. If the opponent is obviously mindful of 2D it doesn't necessarily mean they'll call that, I've turned around a few matches that way. On the other hand, if they block both, you still have advantage on blocked gunshot, and you don't lose a card.
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>>83816324
On that Vita TV stream, Jeff said the Golden intro was icky and the vanilla intro is the good one.
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>>83812586
>how can I defeat stingray
by being decent
you don't even have to be good
just decent
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>>83818171
still, think about it. it's a poke you spent 25 meter on for a non-guaranteed combo that would also take another 50 meter for. that's halfway to another juggle combo via heat riser, or halfway to mandala. hell, if they're in the air at all it's wasted.

less hitstun at the end after sweep>gunshot is virtually irrelevant for how absurdly positive gunshot is on any hit, and it's just one extra hit. if you're positive, and you can meaty 5a, you don't "lose" oki. oki is not a gauge that fills up, you don't lose it like that. i only do sweep>236AA if it's going to guaranteed put them in the corner, or if they are already in the corner because now you can threaten air throws and the like.

i will agree maybe in a long set it's worth a card but anybody with two braincells to rub together can push 2A and bust it on block. i also disagree with j.2d above them, many characters can punish you on the way down AND bust the card in one fell sweep depending on where you are. if they can't, now you're banking that your pitiful 6 frame 5A will beat anything they're throwing out.

yeah yeah sb gunshot is positive and all but and OMBing a heat riser combo? that's what omb is for, it lets you launch into a loop WITHOUT a heat riser, or off of a throw/air throw in the corner like you can get above. he needs gold burst way too much to use omb willy nilly. you didn't lose a card and you're advantage, that's fine. but that 25 meter was also a sweep punish into upwards of 3k. it's just that much closer to another heat riser/mandala/full screen punish atom smasher. it's an SB pain in the ass comboing into ghastly wail.
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>>83820175
It's honestly not that bad for opening people up. For example, 5AA 5B 5C 236AA, pushes opponent toward corner but you don't actually have oki here, you have to cover a little distance. You can make that really hurt by going for 66 214 SB instead, baiting them into trying to catch you running in and getting counterhit into a riser combo, which ends with them in the corner. Even if it's not counterhit if you did it right you get a combo, but grab riser 2C ender instead of optimal MJC. Still puts opponent in corner which means scary command grab shenanigans.

There are times when the starter is unoptimal or the combo is too long, and even if you sweep gunshot A they still recover fast enough that you can't meaty 5A them, in fact you can't 5A them at all before they can interrupt you. That's why players like Pet sometimes don't go for sweep into gunshot and just gunshot, in his matches v Tachihi and DIE-chan.

Usually the j.2D business is a crossup deal. You jump over them, B+C j.2D, and land behind them with a falling j.B or A depending on which way you land. So their AA attempt or DP will likely fail. Of course if you just jump at them and j.2D they can straight punish you.

No, I meant Mandala OMB, like I said. For example:
214SB counter 66 5b 5c OMB 2c Mandala B 5b 5c 2c hop j.5c 236B (1hit slide) Heat Riser B 2c 236 SB stance A/B into unblockable shenanigans. Or you can just finish with ghastly like you said.
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>>83817127

I just finished Persona 4 Golden. Epilogue was great but I felt the true ending should've been the only ending, or at least the default one. Felt tacked-on, like a last minute afterthought to etap things up rather than a proper ending.

Persona 3's finale was much stronger
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>>83824382
I agree, Epilogue was totally pointless. Especially with P4D happening few months after it.
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>>83813770
I seriously hae his eyes in PQ. They either make him look like a psycho or just bad.
>>83813832
Adachi and Namatame don't have eyes like that, Aigis and Sho do but they don't have Izanami in them so nope.
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>>83825732

True ending didn't have a huge impact because the game made you feel as if everything had been tied up neatly already. I was like a PS rather than a grand finale like reaching the top of Tartarus in 3. Ameno-Sagiri didn't feel like the big bad and Izanami didn't either
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So...why hasn't Philemon appeared in his human form again?

Theories?
Is he still mad that Tats clocked him (the canon choice)?
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>>83826089
His eyes are like that in the other games too.
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>>83826089
11/10 filename
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>>83826108
He can hardly appear human in EP, he got weakened.

At the end of DAN he'll come back looking like Kanamin or something.
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>>83826108
can't suppress Nyarly without suppressing Philemon
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>>83826108
Still too tired after resetting the world, and the guy in charge since P3 doesn't want to touch the work of the guy before him
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>>83826181

Truthfully I can't wait for Dancing All Night
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>>83826108
2weak
>>83826093
I'm sure Dance-no-Okami will fix that
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>>83826295

Would Digital Devil Saga be a wise game to play next? I've played P3FES, P3P, DeSu 2 and now P4G.
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>>83826210
And anime, but it looks really bad in PQ for some reason
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>>83826431

It's very good. Have you played SMT3: Nocturne? I recommend that above all else. It has Dante from the Devil May Cry series.
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>>83826431
Yes.
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>>83826431
Not him but you could pretty much go on to any of them now. DDS, Nocturne, or Raidou. They're pretty cool. Just don't play anything before the ps2 ones, they're really outdated and not worth it.
>>83826456
Maybe you don't like the lack of definition in it?
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>>83826475

I chuckled at that last sentence. I haven't, I plan to but it's not one of my SMT priorities. I'm intimidated by its supposed difficulty.

Do you know if the DDS audio issues on the PSN version are significant or negligible?
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>>83826658
>I chuckled at that last sentence.

It's not a joke.
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>>83826431
Play P2 so you can join in on the jokes about how every antagonist from 3/4 involves Nyarly.
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>>83826610

Not even Soul Hackers? I was leaning towards either P2:IS, Soul Hackers or DDS.

>>83826712

Yeah I was aware of this being one of the Europe version's selling points. That's actually the version I own
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>>83826712
>Atlus will never top this
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>>83826784
Never tried soul hackers because it never goes on a decent sale.
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>>83826610
Possible
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>>83826769

I did notice a lot of rumour talk when Izanami was brought into things towards the end of 4. Surely not a coincidence.
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>>83826907
why is this picture a weird res and AR
who is taking such awful screenshots
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>>83826802
>Featuring Rash from the Battletoads series
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>>83826784
>That's actually the version I own

What? Thenplayitalreadystupidmoronyou'resostubborn.
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>>83826802
At least we'll get Kratos in P5.
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>>83827091
Because it's from youtube, I am. But don't worry, I deleted it right after posting it.
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>>83827261
yeah but SMT x FE gets Bayonetta
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>>83813836
Tell us more, Kenji.
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>>83827360
wtf
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>>83827386
I doubt it since Bayonetta isn't a nintendo exclusive.
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>>83827002
People wont shut about rumours in P3 either, like 3 different people talk about MCxYukari not even a week into the game. And then the stuff with Fuuka and the bullies.
it comes up in 1 as well. 2 is obvious enough.

Its more of a theme in the series more than it is Nyarlys thing.
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>>83827232

When I plug my PS2 in, I plan to play Raidou first and then Nocturne (or Lucifer's Call as it's known here). I'm gutted that Raidou 2 was never released in Europe.
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>>83827638
just pick up swap magic and import it, or emulate it
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>>83827747

what's swap magic?
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>>83827967
thing to bypass drm and region locking. google is your friend.
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>>83827463

Yeah I suppose rumours are pretty omnipresent. Most of the exposition in 3 and 4 come from rumours/gossip spoken by NPCs
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I want to bully Rise and Yukari
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>>83828850
>Souji
fucking tumblrites
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>>83828945
Can't be helped. I was thinking about fixing that but that's too much effort.
I hope Atlus USA won't butcher the translation much.
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>>83829179
>I hope Atlus USA won't butcher the translation much.

You're asking for too much.
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Is there a non Persona SMT even in the works.

>implying cross fire emblem exists
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>>83830031
Devilizer or whatever it's called, DeSu 2 break Record.
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>>83828850
Can one of you /a/fags explain why Yukari isn't spelled with Kanji but everyone else's name is
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>>83830132
Rise and Ai are spelled in hiragana too.
It's considered cute and feminie. When parents name their kid, they can pick what kind of moorunes they want to use.
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>>83830414
Thank you. Here, have a picture of my lord and Savior.
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>>83807474
the stuff in this is kinda nice, and i kinda want it, but i'm not sure, $80 is a little much for a 3ds game.
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>>83831217
Wait 2 months and buy it used for half the price.
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>>83832301
>Wait 2 months and buy it used for half the price on ebay without the game or new at the store for the original price if it's still in stock
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>>83832736
i'll obviously buy the game first, i plan to get that on day 1.
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>>83832736
I dunno, always had good deals on Amazon for limited editions shortly after release. Half the price, pretty much unused and everything in order.
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>>83807474
it still doesn't seem as cool as P4G solid gold
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If you were gay, would you Makoto, Yu, or Potter?
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>>83835165
Makoto
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>>83835165
Naoto.
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>>83835165
Junpei
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>>83835165
Yu, no contest
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>>83835398
REMOVE MARIE
E
M
O
V
E

M
A
R
I
E
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>>83835467
Marie is fine you big baby.
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>>83835553
So there is nothing wrong with those letters she leaves you? NOTHING?!
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>>83835467
5 seconds in MS paint
It actually does look better without her.
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>>83835650
They were flowery, awkward, and brimming with pubescent angst on purpose.
That was the joke.

The same way the implied ships during the ski trip were a joke.
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>>83835721
Naoto looks like Lisa cosplaying as Naoto though.
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>>83835721
Thank you based anon
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>>83835831
Not really seeing that but I agree she looks a bit off.
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>>83835831
Would you a Lisa-Naoto?
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>>83835831
>all white people look the same
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>>83835959
They don't?
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>>83836052
Maybe
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>>83836126
What's wrong with Teddie there?
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>>83835959
W-what?

>>83835952
Am I really the only one seeing that?

>>83835956
Lisa cosplaying as Naoto? Or Lisa being Naoto? Or Lisa and Naoto? Because yes to all.
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>>83836204
I meant the first one, but sure to the rest of them as well.
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>>83836204
Ginko is so cute.
Japan must have liked her too, pretty sure shes the only P2 character to get a fig.
Not even Tatsuya has one I think.
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>King Frost's Rampage changed to Aeon Rain!
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>>83836203
He caught UK/USA syndrome
>>
>try SHO out
>can't do the second last challenge for shit because 2B keeps dropping
help I just want to be the edgiest
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>>83835165
>if
Narcissus > Makoto > Teddie > Kanji > Akihiko > Yu > Potter
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I love Rise
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Out of interest, do you guys hate the smt fans as passionately as they hate you?
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>>83838206
indifferent
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>>83838206
i don't hate SMT fans at all, i just haven't played any non-persona games and barely even have time for persona.
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>>83838206
No, since Persona is SMT only in name. And SMT is not Persona as far as I'm concerned.
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>>83838206
I played a couple hours of DDS once
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>>83838206
Couldn't care less. As long as they stay out from our threads that is.
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>>83838206
eh
They seem to keep to keep to talking about their own games unless someone mentions Persona 4 in one of their threads and unleashes all the autism
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>>83838636
>unless someone mentions Persona 4 in one of their threads and unleashes all the autism
Sounds like /pg/
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>>83838770
Yea but /pg/ has a delay before autism pops up
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>>83838894
Ive been on both sides of that autism coin, and its not much of a delay.
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>>83838206
I've liked the SMT games that I've played (DDS, Nocturne) but endless law/chaos debates aren't my thing, I'm more into watching people shitpost about their waifu and be otherwise absolutely retarded.
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>>83838206
What is the smt?
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>>83839104
Shin Megami Tensei
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>>83839104
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Persona 4
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>>83839103
Threads on /v/ about Persona are actually more fun than the games itself.
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>>83839252
You may not have noticed this but this is /vg/ and every thread here is a nightmare
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>>83839338
That's why I said /v/. /vg/ is mostly boring sametalk, /v/ has the waifuwars, constant shitposting and my opinion > your opinion.

I only go to /vg/ to have at least a somewhat civil discussion
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>>83839252
You cant be serious.
Its a bunch of edgy high school kids getting annoyed at Marin Karin, thinking Adachi is right, calling Rise a slut, and calling Yukari a bitch. Then someone dumps the same shitty fan art everyone has already seen a million times over until the thread dies. Usually of the same character.
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>>83839471
Yes
I am saying, you realise you are posting this shit on /vg/ right. Not everyone crossboards /v/ and /vg/ and I'd honestly prefer it if /v/ just left already.

>>83839506
>calling Rise a slut
See look at this idiocy. Rise is clearly a cocktease.
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>>83839646
>Rise is clearly a cocktease.
This joke will never catch on, just stop

pls
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>>83839718
You mean you don't want to argue about Rise's virginal status?
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>>83839771
No.
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>>83839104
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>>83839210
why do shadows turn me on?
>>
[fact]
tatsuya>door>maya>earring>yu
[/fact]
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>>83840359
[fact]
You are a faggot
[/fact]
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>>83839103
the law and chaos debates are fucking hilarious man, there's nothing funnier than watching a bunch of nerds arguing over which god hates them the least
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>>83840282
You want to be mistreated
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>>83840438
I'm just baffled that you can talk shit about /smtg/ while posting in /pg/
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>>83840359
Aigis > Tats> Maya-nee > Earing > Door > Yu
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>>83807598
>I'm pretty sure every social link involves characters breaking down when they realise they're being a shithead and then working to change it by rank 10

Let's make a brief rundown of the social links, while the game is fresh on my mind:

-Yosuke does not change at all. His problem is being bored shitless in Inaba and being desperate for human contact which might have something to do with him being very immature. Life pretty much solves that problem for him in a way that does not require him to grow up. His SLink is getting over the fact that his pseudoGF wouldn't have given him any, not learning to have a real relationship.

-Chie. "You want to be a superhero because that will make others dependent on you!" "Wrong, you shitty shadow, I want to be a superhero because I want to protect others!" That's pretty much the sum total of her "development".

-Yukiko. She accepts her desire to get away from the role she was born into just to realize that this desire was badwrong after all. She ends at the exactly same place where she starts, though with her it is at least handled more gracefully than with Chie.

-Kanji. Despite being a walking gay joke, he's probably the best written of the main cast, as he actually realises that his attempts at hypermasculine behavior really just make him a jerk and works to change that. I'll give you him.

-Rise, like Yukiko, pretty much goes full circle and just learns a way to relax and enjoy her role in life.

-Naoto I'll give you too. Her internal conflict is about discarding a mask life put onto her, and unlike Rise and Yukiko she actually does that and it sticks. Only her romance is written badly ("You helped me in an unrelated thing, time to jump on your cock!").

-Teddie does not change in the slightest, becoming only more and more obnoxious, he simply gets aware of who he is.

So out of 7 party members, only 2 truly had realized the error of their ways and affected meaningful changes upon themselves.
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>>83813575
I love those videos and the one with Mitsuru walking around with just a towel on explains how Akihiko ended up being executed once.
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>>83840859
>he's probably the best written of the main cast
He's nothing but shitty comic relief, but people see the gay angle and make up excuses to call him an interesting character.

You totally missed the point on the Yukiko and Rise slinks, but were spot on about Yosuke and Teddie.
You dont have to think the Yukiko and Rise link were interesting or good I guess, but realizing they were in the wrong was the entire point. They did develop.
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>>83841184
>He's nothing but shitty comic relief,
I think you mean Chie and Teddie.
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>>83841184
No, I think they covered the Rise/Yukiko point well enough. He mentioned that Yukiko realized she was wrong
The "back where she started" comment isn't 100% right, but it's still a little appropriate.
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>>83841364
nah, I mean Teddie and Kanji.
Kanji is 50% awkwardly flirting with Naoto, and 50% doing cute shit with a rough attitude because 'lol dichotomy is comic genius"
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>>83840859
I'd argue that Yosuke pretty explicitly realises he was being shit over the course of his link, his jealously of Yu is pretty explicit, by the end decides he's ok with being a sideline player in boring inaba as long as he gets ~friends~. It's a bit hackneyed, but it's there.

Chie is blah

Yukiko's rebellion over the inn is about trying to establish a feeling of control that she doesn't have, she stops when she realises that doing so means abandoning all her friends and family at the inn (this is the 'being a dick part') and then realises that she always had control over the situation and that the inn staff would've supported her anyway, the issue was only in her head because she thought she was weak

Kanji pretty explicitly states that acting like a punk doesn't do him any favours and that trying to conceal his hobbies also means he's being ingenuine to people and making himself feel bad too, so yeah.

Rise, after spending her link saying that Risette meant nothing and was fake (dick part) realises that Risette did make an impact on people and that she still represented a facet of Rise, not something separate

Life doesn't put that mask on Naoto, she does, because her self confidence is too in the gutter to just be herself

Teddie shit

So I'd say it's more like 5/7, you could probably make an arguement for Chie too but my eyes kind of glaze over when doing her link
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>>83841184
>but realizing they were in the wrong was the entire point.

As far as I remember my feelings as a teen, ever admitting that I'm an asshole was pretty difficult then, so for their age this might be a good point. And well, they are teenagers after all, can't say it is inappropriate.

But being a middle-aged man now, I cannot help but notice that realizations of being in the wrong and promises to himself to change are increbibly cheap and more often than not followed by people not changing at all.
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>>83840859
>>83841508

My interpretation of Yukiko was that she assumed that a person in her position should of course want more, and that other people were in charge of her future. She then realizes that she was happy where she was all along and is free to leave whenever she wants. Not happiness in servitude which I see tossed around.

Rise is pretty much the same thing I think. Their lives are bearable, and fine because they aren't trapped.
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>>83841720
Your old man bias doesnt change what Yukiko and Rise do, and neither does mine.
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>Still no Ace Attorney x Persona 4
>You will never max AA members social link
>Phoenix will never get a judgement arcana
>You will never defend your waifu as YU
>Maya and Teddie will never go out and eat hamburgers
>Nanako will never be your investigation partner dressed up as Detective Loveline
>You will never make Adachi/Dojima look stupid during trails
>You will never reach out to the truth as much as you would with Nick and Yu in the same game

It's pratically a gold mine waiting to happen
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compare to
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>>83841807

While it's a valid interpretation, I still cannot help but to see underlying vibes of "if you're dissatisfied with your lifestyle, then the problem is in you, not the lifestyle" here.
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>>83842072
Well yeah, it's not a vibe, it's what the links are about
Sometimes you are genuinely wrong. For Rise and Yukiko their dissatisfaction stems from issues of their self-concept that negatively effect issues other than their immediate environment, and would likely follow them even if they did change course. Yukiko would still consider herself weak and helpless and Rise would still be a walking identity crisis.

>>83842027
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>>83842027
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I don't think there as any contradiction in the information translated from the Persona 3 Club Book.

Metis might have said that Nyx is nuetral in terms of her "current" physical form which is the Moon. The only "evil" part of Nyx was her psyche which now resides in the Collective Unconciousness.

Erebus can also be explained thru the existence of the CU. Mankinds wishes can be felt inside the CU which is also the same with some of mankind wish to be destroyed or to end their life. And that's where Erebus came to be, a monster that came from the hearts of people that is calling for their death and that is Nyx.

Philemon and Nyarly can be explained by mankinds development of the concept of Good and Evil.
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>>83842072
I can't really see that. Because it's not implying that everyone should stay in their current situation, only that you shouldn't reject a situation just for the sake of something new.

Yukiko's situation is a lot like the Fortune link in P3, but I think it was handled a bit better. I can understand why she'd be frustrated at the prospect of people assuming she'd take over the inn, but I think the progression also makes sense.
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>>83838206
Nah
I like both
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>>83839210
i figured it out, this picture should be 640x390
i wasn't accounting for the PS2 stretching it from 640x448 to 640x480
looks like shit though and it's still different from golden
i just want vita games to be cracked so we can rip all the cutscenes from golden and they won't be butt quality
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>>83842759
literal autism
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If Aigis had her mantinace done and not of been nerfed by the crosses would she have been able to fight Kagutsuchi like Labrys did? Yu was only able to stand up to him by using bond power while Labrys beat him down on her own with just words of encouragement from everyone else.
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>>83842840
>expecting anything else in /pg/
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>>83842759
They;ve been ripped well enough to make gifs, so who fucking cares at this point.
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>>83842963
gifs are shit
and your gif is from P4GA
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>>83842429
>Metis might have said that Nyx is nuetral in terms of her "current" physical form which is the Moon. The only "evil" part of Nyx was her psyche which now resides in the Collective Unconciousness.
Nice headcanon

>Erebus
The problem is that the fanbook makes Erebus redundant. By the mechanics of the fanbook, it is possible to summon Nyx just by the general state of the CU being negative or death-wishy, without the need of an intermediary. The desire to die isn't even really shown as a human thing, it's portrayed more as being in a state where you aren't happy enough to actively resist her omnipresent influence within the CU. Since that's what the clubbook states the CU is about - it's a defense mechanism from Nyx, while also being Nyx.
Answer establishes that Erebus is necessary to summon Nyx, and your idea of Erebus being a CU construct fits in there.
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>>83842963
>you will never get one of Yukikos superspeedy deisel-powered handjobs
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>>83841950
But AA is set in Los Angeles.
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>>83843043
Your right, my bad.

the Golden anime kinda all blended together
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>>83816408

Still want the pixelated penis, anonymous?

>>83818926

He's not wrong. The new intro is terrible. Even P3P's new intro didn't fuck up the "style" of it's previous outing.
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>>83843253
That's weird. Why is Rise singing? Where's Marie?
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>>83843486
I dont mind Marie, but I still blocked that part out
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