/utg/ - Undertale general

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I love this goat.

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>>187998816
He doesn't deserve your love.

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>>187998915
I'm gonna love him and nobody can stop me.

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>Asriel
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIsCxOKUQAAJYLS.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DBUGochVwAATlEc.jpg:orig
>Flowey
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpG9xAV4AA5MRf.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpG9xCUQAAdUw0.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpG9w-UwAAn-Pu.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD5VutRVYAA_L0E.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIps1mIXoAAEmo-.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIn4cYnVYAAOVqN.jpg:orig
https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/DIq_kljUIAACO6m.mp4
>Frisk
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIsKYt7VYAAl5be.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIok32zUQAUyauV.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHv8LtrUIAIhvvQ.jpg:orig
>Chara
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpSR97VoAELA5g.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIoXNkTVAAAVLT0.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DD0rbmrVYAAs1Yj.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpaagmUIAALEcw.jpg:orig
>Sans
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIp0XZ3V4AEFJCp.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIouZfbVoAAPgD1.jpg:orig
>Papyrus
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpmhyVUQAIwExy.png:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIfEfjLUIAAouZr.jpg:orig
>Gaster
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIoxbAyVwAAZsve.jpg:orig
>Undyne
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpPsGiUMAAltTl.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpPsuQUQAAJ0PQ.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIlbctcVYAA3EZs.jpg:orig
>MTT
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIkgIbBUEAE7iHq.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIo-pSOVYAEWn6H.png:orig
>Grillby
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIp0XZEVwAAYq25.jpg:orig
>Astingamatism
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpLcQdUEAACQT0.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIq9zndUQAAS1f4.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIprHoRV4AAZ1gv.jpg:orig
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIpkYTQUEAACKqP.jpg:orig
>Ice-E
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DIp0XZhUwAAAd6x.jpg:orig

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>>187999002
>and nobody can stop me
That's where you're wrong, kiddo.

>>187999002
>>187998816
Asriel is a garbage character and his fans are easily the most pathetic part of /utg/. All you guys do is whine about how hard Toby cucked you and about how unfair it is that your little shit stain didn't get saved while other better characters did.

Its hilarious. Even the Charafags, lizardfags, fishfags and the dadfags aren't as sad.

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>>187999002
good taste anon

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who's gonna help me with the lucid dreaming?

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>>187999002

>Triggered Asrielfags spamming images
wew

>>187999198
So you can imagine a world where Toby didn't fuck you over?

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>>187999173
>being this triggered because someone likes a character you don't like
such a pathetic life anon lives

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>>187999058
Saved or not, I'll still love him. That shitty dog has no power here.

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cute nerds

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Her damned ruby eyes

>>187999345
>being honest to Asrielfags is being triggered
I like Asriel but nothing I said is untrue. The little shit deserves his fate and its nice that Toby gave it to him. His fans are awful

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>>187999330
yes, er, sorta/

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For her neglect, which resulted in the deaths of 6 human children, and monsterkind suffering under Asgore's incompetent rule, Toriel deserves death.
For his refusal to lift a finger-bone unless the entire universe is on the brink of annihilation, Sans deserves death.
For giving you really shitty puzzles and cooking awful spaghetti, and attacking - but never killing - you, Papyrus deserves... eh, a strong talking to.
For trying to kill you and aiding her serial murdering king, Undyne deserves death.
For committing atrocious experiments which horribly warped her fellow citizens, and then lying about everything, and putting you in mortal danger so she could self-insert into your story, and in general being a repulsive weeaboo slob, Alphys deserves death.
For killing 6 human children, declaring a genocide war on humanity, and allowing monsterkind to suffer for decades in darkness, Asgore deserves death.

And Asriel, for murdering everyone countless times for his sheer amusement, stealing 6 human souls in an attempt to become an evil flower god, stealing 7 human souls in an attempt to become an evil god again, deserves to suffer eternally.

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>>187999486
the cutest

>>187999550
This, but Chara did nothing wrong

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>>187999329
>>Triggered Asrielfags spamming images
>not triggered anon trying to shit up the thread because he's mad
wew

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>>187999550
and yet despite all that the only one that got the fate he deserves is Asriel!

Funny how it works out.

>>187999550
Genocide is an entirely morally justifiable thing to do.

>>187999550
>putting you in mortal danger so she could self-insert into your story
At no point are you in danger during the Alphys/Mettaton sequences in hotland. If you get low on health, Alphys stops the scene.

>>187999329
When you get under their skin, it shows.

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>>187999486
Finally!

>>187999662
>>187999345
>triggered Asrielfag avatarfags in a desperate attempt to seem less triggered
lol

>>187999662
>now spamming unrelated images
asrielfags never fail to be shit

>>187999732
She sets Mettaton loose, and he later tries to kill you. It's her fault.

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>>187999594
>>187999737

>triggered triggerfag triggers trigger trigger
niggers

>>187999662
Mad about what?

>>187999696
All of monsterkind is completely willing and eager to genocide humanity, so yeah, it is.

>>187999837
Mettaton goes rogue and hires mercenaries to kill you. If Alphys plan had gone as intended, Frisk would have been a popular TV star, monsters wouldn't want to kill them anymore and nobody would have to die.

Basically, Alphys is the only one besides Toriel trying to make it so nobody has to die.

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*slurp*

>>187999837
Mettaton is never under her control, he's independent, which is why be can betray her and actually try to kill you in the core.

>>187999345
>>187999662
>Asrielfags are DIOfags
Now it all makes sense.

>>188000058
shut up mspg

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>>187999550
Oh, and for trying to kill you to fulfill his selfish delusions of grandeur, Mettaton deserves to die. But that's obvious.

>>188000034
>>188000065
It's still her fault for involving him. But it's honestly just the cherry on top the shit sundae. There is already more than enough evidence to justify killing Alphys.

>>188000034
Toriel doesn't give two fucks if anyone else dies. She won't even lift a finger to help a human unless they play house with her.

>>188000219
>It's still her fault for involving him.
How was she supposed to know he'd go rogue?

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>anons trying to be edgier than charafags
w e w

>>188000067
dio also did nothing wrong

Theoretically, if there was a monster in the game that did nothing but shit up a thread on the undernet to make other monsters feel worse, what would they deserve?

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>>188000034
>If Alphys plan had gone as intended
She'd be able to free monsterkind with monster souls instead of human souls. It would have backfired just like everything else that miserable little reptile ever attempted.

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>>188000560

>>188000547
Well that monster would most likely be a Jerry. And there's no punishment too cruel for a Jerry.

>>188000280
I can't blame her, honestly. If the 'world' wants to be a blood thirsty and dismiss my counsel, I'd just want to go be a hermit and tell everyone to go fuck themselves. As for the kids, well, if they really want to leave I wish'm luck.

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>>188000560
>>188000616

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>>188000067
>>187999801
>>187999789
>>187999662
>>187999329
This is the limit I'm activating it now! My stand, 『 killer queen 』's third ability, 『bite the dust』!

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so i found this monstrosity just now
i apologize to any hellboy fans in the thread

Lets look at all the characters and how much better off they are than Asriel!

Sans gets free from resets and gets help raising his brother as well a cool new pun friend / girlfriend.

Papyrus gets a new mommy in the form of toriel as well as friendship with the beloved king of all monsters

Asgore got divorced and his ex hates him but hes still a rich king with a loving adopted family in the form of best girl Undyne and her girlfriend who he regularly hangs out with.

Toriel lost her family but found a new one in the form of Frisk, Sans and Papyrus. Frisk is the best child she could have since Frisk is an immortal that can never die. She also gets to baby Papyrus forever which is nice for him and Sans.

Undyne gets a happy ending where all her loved ones live and she gets to hang out with them and get married to the girl of her dreams. She also has a great BFF in the form of Papyrus.

Alphys gets completely forgiven for all her sins, a hot girlfriend, her hot girlfriends hot dad and what is most likely an easy life on the surface doing super science.


Meanwhile Asriel is stick as a flower who will never be loved or savable forever.

Is it any wonder that Asrielfags are so bitter and whiny? I would be as well if I had been tricked into liking him as well.

>>188000560
I was talking about her plan to have Frisk be seen as a hero on the most popular TV show in the underground so monsters wouldn't want want them dead and Frisk wouldn't want to leave (and kill Asgore to do so)

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Logically speaking, the true pacifist ending should never happen. The human would reset upon reaching the True Lab and try to kill Alphys for being such a horrible Mengele-esque fuckup. They'd also hate Toriel after learning that her actions led to the death of 6 human children and caused monsterkind to suffer without coherent leadership.

To get the "happiest" ending you have to blindly ignore everyone's horrific personal faults and just hope that everything turns out okay in the end. What kind of ending is that? The truth is that most of these people don't deserve to see tomorrow, let alone the light of day.

>>187999540
>>187999330
>>187999198
Anyone?

>>188000809
>NONO
The image is right.

>>188000560
Only thing that didn't backfire was Mettaton's robot body. And it still "backfired" because she kept delaying its completion because she was afraid/knew that Mettaton would ditch her ass in a heartbeat after it was done. And Mettaton had that body and we saw the shit he pulled in the name of fame and self-aggrandizement. He did try to help her but how much of that was for her and how much was for ratings?

To say nothing of the Neutral King Mettaton ending...

>>188000880
Who are to judge who deserves to live or die? Are you God?

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>>188000879
Yeah, and I'm saying that she'd fuck that up too.

>>188000742
Sorry Kira, but your stand's become a fry cook at a shitty restaurant chain.

>>188000000
I'm curious

>>188001018
>Yeah, and I'm saying that she'd fuck that up too.
Name a reason why it wouldn't have worked if Mettaton hadn't sabotaged it.

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i don't remember mettaton's nose being that big

>>188001026
What if Zero and X's pods fell into the Underground and someone activated them?

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>>188000992
>Are you God?
Yes.

>>188000874
Maybe they shouldn't have fallen in love with a Serial Murderer.

>>188000880
Or, or, or show forgiveness and help them become better people. But apparently, in the two months I've been off this thread, it has been completely saturated by edge.

Jesus, man, this place sucks

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>>188001018
JoJoTale when

>>188001137
>Yes.
Make a rock so big you can't lift it then.

>>188000930
Now you're getting it. These are all awful, awful people. With the exception of Papyrus. He's pretty okay.

>>188001090
>all of the underground knows that the seventh and final human is here
>Asgore is put on the spot immediately and forced into performing his reluctant duty as king
It doesn't matter if all of monsterkind loves you. He still has to try and take your soul.

>>188001168
Fuck forgiveness. None of these people deserve a second chance.

>>188001235
>>all of the underground knows that the seventh and final human is here
>>Asgore is put on the spot immediately and forced into performing his reluctant duty as king
>It doesn't matter if all of monsterkind loves you. He still has to try and take your soul.
That's the thing though. Asgore doesn't WANT to take your soul, but feels it is his duty to his people. If his people don't WANT the human dead, who is putting him on the spot?

>>188001383
>who is putting him on the spot?
The ones that obviously still do since, well, you know, freedom and all. Point is Alphys is fucking delusional.

>>188001184
There's a fic, "Breaking through Fate", which I believe is a crossover. The author posts here.

Every character except Jerry is good. Everyone deserves a happy ending except Jerry.
>InB4 Crawling in my crawl shitfuckery

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[ungodly screaming from beyond the void]

>>188001429
I don't think Alphys is the one who's delusional anon...

>>188001383
There was all those monsters that tell you the story of Asriel. In a TP ending where Flowey doesn't turn up they'd have to be assuaged, though I doubt it will be difficult.

>>188001327
I hope that means you're turning yourself in to the police for your hideous shitposting crimes then

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>>188000547
>Theoretically
Except it's canon that Toby is the cause of almost every shitpost on the undernet.
[spoiler}I'm not joking.[/spoiler]

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Welp. It took 2 years but the Asrielfags have officially went off the deep end. Between the incessant pedoposting last thread and this thread, I think it's safe to say they've all gone insane from gote deficiency.

>>188001718
Er, what? They've been way worse in the past. I thought they were even getting a bit better lately

>>188001718
i think we've all lost sanity at this point

>>188001718
You really can't blame them too much. Toby cucked them incredibly hard by giving everyone else a happy ending while fucking over the only character they care about.

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>>188001718
There is literally nothing wrong with discussing politics.

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>>188001872
I know the soulless TP ending is supposed to be a punishment, and is considered a bad end, but when Charafags end up better off than you, then you know you're screwed.

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>>188001327
... Wow, and we're talking about the Undertale characters? I just don't even have the words right now, or hell, in perpetuity


Have a good one fellas. The music discussion earlier was decent, I guess.

>>188001906
Kids shouldn't get involved in politics. Especially not with large slant-eyed brown pedobears. Or their own father

>>188001946
The best part of Soulless TP is that it never even confirms that the other characters got fucked over so if you want you can just pretend that Chara chilled out on the surface with the rest of the monsters.

Asrielfags don't even get that. Asriel is confirmed Flowey again so they can't even go full denial without looking like retards. Its wonderful

Whatever happened to that cool charafag who was making that Chara image archive and made a few for other characters? I miss him.

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>>188002054
>hey guys check it out I'm gonna scribble in red maker and cross out all your faces
>it'll totally make them think you're dead
>oh shit toriel baked me a slice of midnight pie
>bet she didn't know i was awake the whole time
>heh heh heh i'm gonna eat it all right now
>it's the perfect crime

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>>188002036
Family bonding is an important part of childhood development, and hard topics like politics are highly stimulating.

>>188002173
I never said it was likely but for all we know Chara's plan was just to get on the surface. You can spin it a bunch of ways if you feel like it but Asrielfags don't even get that.

Asriel is just Flowey again and knows that he can never regain the power to love again because he'll just feel like shit and release it. Asriel is literally fucked and its his own fault for doing all that serial murdering

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>>188002264
>Family bonding is an important part of childhood development

It sure is

Actually asrielfags do suck pretty hard

What if Jerry lent you 15G to buy a Nice Cream and next week he demanded 17349G back due to the interest rates on the loan you didn't know you'd agreed to because the clause was etched onto one of the coins he gave you?

>>188002279
Didn't even have to. Just had to wait until enough humans fell down and steal the souls at the right moment. But nope. Had to kill everyone out of sheer boredom until it drove him insane.

But now he's no longer insane. And he can think long and hard about what he's done. In fact, he has the rest of eternity to reflect upon his actions.

>>188002410
Jerry? More like Jewry, amirite?

>>188002410
He would be expelled from the country because usury is illegal.

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>>188002387
They sure do.

>>188002518
fuck off apostrophedog

>>188002502
That serial murderer doesn't deserve a waifu like Frisk. Or husbando like Frisk.

>>188002279
ok you're getting into dindu levels of assuming anon

>>188002628
What, like you Asrielfags don't do the same thing

>>188002628
wait this was meant for
>>188002054

>>188002387
Yeah they're a bunch of little weeds

>>188002803
Friendly reminder this killed murdered his own family countless times just out of sheer boredom.

i want to punch asriel in his stupid face until he explodes into dust

>>188002912
I can't believe Asriel killed murdered his own family

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>>188002936
It's a shame you never get the chance. You'll have to settle with killing him as Flowey wearing his face

What if Asriel had a nice day playing with their adoptive sibling Chara and saying hello to all the monsters Underground and they hugged and said they loved each other and they went home and Asriel got a super big slice of his favourite pie and then got tucked into bed by his Dad who read him his favourite bedtime story The Cask of Amontillado?

>tfw asriel will never murder you
it's not fair desu

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>>188002912
So did anyone who isn't a pussy.

>>188003070
this
if you didn't do genocide at least once you're a mega ass faggot

>>188002979
He didn't just murder them. He KILLED-murdered them.

>>188003070
>>188003128
Asgore is actually the only monster i've never killed despite doing genocide like 4 times and most of the neutral routes

>>188003140
That's the worst kind of murdered!

>>188003046
Asgore might be a child-murdering piece of shit, but at least he had the decency to only kill them once, and it was for an actual reason.

>>188003152
You kinda have a point there. Flowey kills him every time. You only even get the option on neutral.

>>188003242
>and it was for an actual reason.
This is why that one Asrielfag amuses me so much. He hates Asgore for killing people and yet demands that unlike him Asriel deserves a happy ending despite being way shitter of a person.

Its like he completely missed the fact that Asriel damned himself by killing for no reason and that its the only reason he can't just find some souls and be happy.

I'm not even a dadfag but the hypocrisy is wonderful

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you know I shouldn't be surprised by the au cringe at this point
but just when i think i've seen it all something else shows up

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flowey did nothing wrong

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Face it Asrielfags. If Asriel wasn't a cute sad little goatbabby you wouldn't care about him. But that precious little goatbabby had committed countless atrocities all in the name of entertainment. I don't think a more evil character exists in Undertale.

>>188003512
>If Asriel wasn't a cute sad little goatbabby you wouldn't care about him.
this desu

All the other characters have redeeming qualities but Asriel's is just that hes cute and that's it. That's all they care about

>>188003512
>evil character = i can't like the character

>>188003634
You can like him. Just admit that you like an evil piece of shit.

>>188003242
>at least he had the decency to only kill them once
The other kids could reset. Asgore did a lot of killing.

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>>188003512
I love Asriel and all his forms and with all his damning flaws and atrocious acts, because that's what makes him an interesting character.

>>188003512
What about edgerielfags?

>>188003671
>The other kids could reset.
Nice headcanon
>Asgore did a lot of killing.
It would still only be the once actually since they would have erased the other times from existing

>>188003407
The only thing that dissatisfies me about the ending is that nobody knows the truth. They deserve to know. Even if it destroys them. Especially if it destroys them.

>>188003781
I think its funnier if Asriel's one act of goodness is completely ignored. He doesn't even deserve that much

>>188003750
>Headcanon
Toriel references feeling deja vu with the other kids which is commonly associated with resets through other character reactions after you reset and Asgore acknowledges that he has killed you multiple times if you die multiple times which he could have only learned from fighting other humans who did the same.

>>188003928
Its still not the same as choosing to actively reset and kill everyone over and over. Asgore only ever killed each kid once from his point of view.

Asriel is a serial killer that did it over and over for the lols

>>188003750
>It would still only be the once actually since they would have erased the other times from existing
If that's true, then Asriel killed no one because those timelines don't exist anymore either.

>>188004014
Asriel from his point of view killed over and over. Asgore from his point of view only killed each other once. Asriel choose to reset, Asgore didn't. That's why Asriel is a piece of shit and why Asgore gets a happy ending while Asriel is forced as a shitty flower forever.


If you guys want to turn this all around to dadfag and Asgore bashing because you got butthurt over people talking about why Asriel is shit don't let me stop you though. Feel free to change the subject and pretend to ignore that your favorite doesn't deserve a happy ending.

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Wow, you faggots got more obnoxious than the Charafags shitting up the place recently. That's actually impressive.

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>>188004087
Failing at edge is much more fun than actual edge

honestly this characterfag shitting is just getting embarrassing at this point

>>188004471
your favorite a shit

>>188004383
Who do you think is the one shitting up the place?
Hint: Its the charafag and a bunch of cucked Asrielfags that can't learn to ignore people and keep trying to pick fights with everyone else over it.

>>188004471
b-but I have to prove that my favorite is the only one that deserves to be saved! I can't allow anyone to like a character unless its my favorite!

>>188004471
>at this point
It was never not embarrassing.

>>188004531
>one favorite
i am a person of taste anon
i have multiple favorites

The Turd That Carries You Over A Disproportionately Small Gap

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my favorite a shit

Papyrus will always believe in his friends!

and he rules

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>>188004538
>b-but I have to prove that my favorite is the only one that deserves to be saved! I can't allow anyone to like a character unless its my favorite!
False dichtomy

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>>188004791

>>188004808
Asrielfags were literally saying that Asgore doesn't deserve to be saved and that Asriel should instead.
I can go link the posts if you want? That's what I meant by them starting fights with other people because of their butthurtness

>>188003750
>It would still only be the once actually since they would have erased the other times from existing
That's literally the argument people use to say Flowey's deeds don't matter, since nobody stayed dead.

>>188004938
>I can go link the posts if you want?
Yes, actually.

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Sorry Asrielfags, but it had to be said at some point. You're all ridiculous. The reason Asriel can't be saved is simply because he doesn't deserve it. This is his punishment for being a giant serial murderer. Just because he eventually reset doesn't change the fact of what he did. Letting him get off scot-free would be antithetical to the point of the game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k95DSQbQmJY

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>>188004890

>>188004939
The difference is that from Asgore's point of view he only killed them once, while from Asriel's point of view he killed them over and over.
Plus no one is denying that Asgore killed kids just how many times he killed each one. People try and agure that Asriel literally did nothing wrong ever because of resets.

>>188004938
Without any kind of markers, how do you know who's what characterfag? I mean I can go around bashing every character for the next hour, how would you know what characterfag am I?

>>188005012
Asriel is fine, it's just that most of his fans are shit

>>188005042
oh jesus this is fucking hideous

Characterfag discussion is not game discussion.

Can you idiots just not respond to the 'x doesn't deserve to be saved!' shitters?

>>188004982
enjoy
>>187998089
>>187983617
>>187983069

>>188005114
yeah it's not great
maybe if the body hair wasn't there it would be okay

>>188005103
Posting style. Spend long enough arguing with the same assholes and eventually you can sorta pick out their posts from the rest.

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>>188005042

>>188005054
I feel like most of this is just a semantic argument people stretch out to ridiculous levels. Then again, I like all the characters, so the past hour's massive edgeposting is just strange to me, more than anything.

>>188005103
I do this all the time desu

Including some of the stuff that guy linked

>>188005195
Why can't tumblr learn how to shave?

What if Orel Puppington fell into the Underground?

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>>188005165
That's only one guy, but the call has been challenged. Robust but fair.

>>188005012
But you can literally kill a bunch of people, reset, and then get the good ending.

>>188005165
It's considered disingenuous if you edit your footage of a fight to only ever show the other side punching

>>188005420
I have literally never seen a dadfag that tried to agure that Asriel shouldn't be saved. I can not say the same for the reverse.

>>188005381
You can kill everyone up to sans as many times as you want and still get the good ending. The point of the game is that anyone can be forgiven if they show regret and try to better themselves.

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>>188005012
What the fuck I don't remember Super Buu sounding like this

>>188005552
He has some really good moments in the original dub.

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Can we talk about a character that actually matters?

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Heya everyone, Chapter 2 is ready to go!
http://imgur.com/a/8xTHk

In the last chapter, Frisk was reminiscing of her time on the surface with Asriel. It continues from here, with the same sugary goodness.

It won't be all Sunshine and Rainbows for long though.

>>188005526
But if I can have a happy ending why can't Asriel if we're guilty of the same exact crimes?

>>188005754
You aren't getting a happy ending, sweetie.

>>188005754
You can't because Undertale isn't real, and thus Asriel can't.

Female Undertales going to Undyne for a sensual massage and getting a happy ending!

>>188005678
Woah, that image switch

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>>188005804
I dunno man, Frisk seems pretty happy to me. You were referring to (Me), weren't you?

>>188005857
Alphys watching through her hidden cameras!

>>188005678
>image switch
Someone find the post it swapped with!

>>188005754
Because sometimes even with the best intentions, things just don't work out. Even if you can or at least try to fix thing.

Requesting Nox from Wakfu, giving Asriel a hug.

>>188006021
At least Nox got to die.

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post cute Undertale husbandos!

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>>188005754
Because a shitposting white dog created the universe and says you can't.

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>>188006130

>>188006075
He held himself together for probably decades by sheer force of will. At the end, he just let go.

>>188006405
Actually I'm pretty sure it was the Cube keeping him alive for that long. Once he lost that, it was only a matter of time.

>>188006075
Plants don't like forever, anon.

Though golden flowers live for a while apparently. He can still off himself if he wants too since he can't reset anymore.

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Actually, upon further reflection, I think I have to concede that the Asrielfags have a point. If Toby wanted to drive home that actions have consequences, then why can you get the "good ending" if you've killed and reset. The game remembers that. I'm not saying that you should be locked out of it forever the second you kill something, since that doesn't make gameplay sense, but killing should have broader ramifications than it does if Toby wants that message to really stick. Otherwise Asriel's fate just kinda sticks out like a sore thumb.

>>188006267
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zRZMV6rt_o

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>>188006267
All this talk about who does or doesn't deserve redemption reminds me that Toby is worse than Jerry.

>>188006650
Asriel killed people for literally no reason and just for kicks. Doing that is genocide which just gets you the bad ending

>>188006706
>still hasn't done stretch goals
he is the only one who doesn't deserve to be saved and the only one with a truly good ending

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>>188006706
Yeah but Toby makes no attempt to hide that fact. The Annoying Dog is an unapologetic asshole. I think you're all operating under the assumption that this is a just and fair world, but the evidence doesn't quite bear that assumption out.

The dog is literally Satan, and there won't truly be justice in the world until we can FIGHT and kill it.

>>187998721
whatever happened to that hard mode that was supposed to make the Game part of this game fun

>>188006650
Or it really just boils down to how sometimes bad things happen to good people, good people become bad, and redemption doesn't mean everything can be fixed, even if you have a limited control over time.

It's not that deep.

>>188006847
>Doing that is genocide which just gets you the bad ending
If you go through with it, sure. But you can reset and still get the good ending. How is that any different from what Flowey did?

>>188006853
That ending being all your money.

>>188006847
You can kill people and reset for kicks as much as you want and still get the good ending as long as you don't go to Asgore in genocide. There is a point of no return, but obviously Flowey never reached that since the world is still there.

>>188006867
Somewhere under the mountain of unfulfilled promises Toby sleeps on as his doggie bed.

>>188006847
To be fair, I can do that as well, just kill everyone prior to Asgore over and over again, with zero ramifications afterwards

>>188006948
Flowey went all the way and killed everyone.

>>188006938
Oh, well that's a flimsy as fuck excuse. I honestly expected better.

>>188007025
Well what do you expect?
Its a tumblr game, no matter how good it is, the developer is as much a tumblrfag as anyone else that worked on Homestuck (which I still enjoyed but, yknow its shit)

>>188006938
That really does detract from the moral message of the game, though. It is a glaring inconsistency that seems to only serve as a bittersweet bookend to the story.

>>188007076
Except he didn't go as far as you, clearly. He could still reset, just like you could at the end of a genocide run, just before accepting Chara's offer.

And then you can reset and get the good ending. Sans even encourages this in his boss fight. That's the point.

So logically speaking, Frisk should be punished too. It's only fair.

>cucked Asrielfags are still this bitter
You aren't going to save your shitty favorite by getting upset that he got what he deserved while Frisk didn't. Give up

>>187999550
Flowey never steals 7 human souls.

>>188000880
Mengele did nothing wrong and the worst thing Alphys did is liking MMKC and writing a shitty song. And the latter I'm willing to forgive because it's enough of a miracle that she had time to write it let alone script everything else on your way there. Remember, she only witnesses the timelines after you're done exploring and learning the enemy's attacks. To her, you're speedrunning through the Underground and she only started when you were half-way there. As shitty as it is, what she accomplished is a genious' feat.

>>188007126
It only works if you're punished too. Like if somehow Sans got proof of your murdering in another timeline and used it to show everyone how much of a psychopath you are. But there's no such thing. Even killing out of sheer curiosity like Flowey did, doesn't prevent you from reaching the "good ending.

It doesn't make any sense. Like shit, this is kind of a huge problem in hindsight. It really tarnishes the true pacifist ending because it contradicts the game's own moral lesson.

>>188007195
Well frisk didnt get punished because he technically didnt commit total genocide, and you cant give your soul away if you didnt go all the way

its a fucking game, of course theyre not going to make a "only 98% genocide" ending

>>188007235
That's not the problem anymore though. The problem is that you have two characters. They're both guilty of the exact same crime. One gets to live happily on the surface with all their new friends and the other ends up a soulless plant abomination. This is supposed to be the good ending.

I'm trying to figure out how this makes sense.

>bring up valid criticism against the central anti-savefag argument "he deserves it"
>s-shut up it's just a game
BRING HIM HOME

>>188007368
But it doesn't matter. If you want to make a statement about how actions have consequences, don't contradict it in the last second by giving two completely different sets of consequences to characters guilty of the same actions.

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>>188007454
>>188007339
>>188007195
>>188007543
>you will never be this bitter that your shitty favorite got the fate they deserved
Maybe if Asrielfags weren't so hellbent on proving why everyone else sucks and doesn't deserve a happy ending people wouldn't find you so annoying.

At least the other characterfags want everyone to be saved

>>188000880
The point of the pacifist ending is to learn to love people for who they are, no matter their faults (which were a bit overexaggerated to make that point clearer)

Agree or disagree thats what the pacifist human does, and the genocidal one doesnf give a shit about their flaws, He just wants their heads on a pike

>>188007454
And to think I was so close to being able to accept things the way they are. But it really doesn't make sense. It's like the ending to Samurai Jack all over again.

Worse yet is that this is an argument I've never once considered since the game first came out. Has this been said before?

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>>188007586
Anon, I don't care about that. The true pacifist ending is broken now. It doesn't make sense. Its message is self-defeating.

I can never enjoy it again now.

Asriel wasn't saved and it was his own fault.
Frisk didn't need saving, they saved everyone else.

Maybe if you guys would stop trying to throw everyone else under the bus to save your shitty goat you could understand this

>he judges an entire group by the actions of a few members
wtf I hate dadfags, sansfags, fishfags, momfags and charafags now.

>>188007438
Different starting positions. Flowey was 'damaged' by being soulless, whereas Frisk is a complete person. Flowey's deeds are also set in stone, whereas they're options for Frisk. The problem is that even at the very end, Flowey still remains damaged, his soulless state cannot be repaired, at least not via any method currently at hand and he's fully aware of this. And he wouldn't cast stones either, since even if Frisk murders, it's not like he's unfamiliar with downfall, but if you can endlessly rewind, your ultimate decision will define the end.

He implies you will meet again though, so there's a door open for the future, depending on how hopeful or cynical you are.

>>188007586
>At least the other characterfags want everyone to be saved
The first post here that spawned you idiots defecating all over the thread was literally just an anon saying they loved Asriel, but you faggots just can't stop shitting yourselves over people liking a character you don't and have to try to justify your anger any way you can.

>>188007812
its almost like this is an argument that spanned more than a single thread!

>>188007771
>they saved everyone else
Except him. Do you see the problem now? You can't save him. Why? Because he doesn't deserve it for killing everyone and resetting? But you did the same thing, so why aren't you punished as well? Otherwise it's just generic bittersweet ending twist #524. It loses its poignancy.

>>188007076
> never managed to get past Asgore
> Flowey killed everyone

>>188007586
>At least the other characterfags want everyone to be saved
Did you somehow fail to notice all the edgeposting in the past several weeks?

>>188007790
>Flowey's deeds are also set in stone
But they're not. Nobody is dead when you start up the game. You can literally do the exact same thing Flowey does and still get a happy ending. You aren't punished despite committing the exact same sins. And that was the only argument that really made sense to me up until now, but after thinking it over, it's bullshit.

>>188007879
>But you did the same thing, so why aren't you punished as well?
You are

You're punished in the same way in that you feel guilty for your actions. That's the only reason Flowey can't be saved. Its not Toby's fault you don't feel guilty for your actions.

>>188007942
I don't see momfags, lizardfags, dadfags or skeletonfags auguring that they shouldn't be saved.

>>188007991
>FLOWEY DINDU NUFFIN!
Fucking hell not even the character himself buys that crap.

>>188007872
It had winded down by the end of the previous thread, the whole argument was only brought up again because you couldn't handle someone posting a single image of a character you don't which wasn't even provocative or mentioning any of the other characters.

>>188008030
>FLOWEY DINDU NUFFIN!
You've got it backwards. FLOWEY DID DU SOMETHIN but so did Frisk, so why is he the only one punished in the end? If you never killed anyone before doing TP then great, more power to ya, but the game doesn't address this at all. That's my problem.

>you feel guilty
Oh come on, anon. You can do better than that.

>>188007879
The same reason why Frisk can't punch through the barrier and save everyone the trouble. You got duped into the "who deserves what" argument, when it's just a case of there being no method of doing so, or at least no definitive way at that given moment.

What this thread has taught me

Asrielfags refuse to acknowledge Asriel's actions and refuse to consider that even he himself knows he did bad things.
>>188008078
>because you
try again

>>188008095
And that's stupid. But I thought I'd found a reason, a good reason too, for why things are the way they are. But it's not a good reason at all. It's stupid.

>>188008095
Wrong
Asriel could be easily saved by just chilling out with seven souls but the issue is that he was a serial killing little faggot and damned himself so now he can't do that without feeling unbearable guilt. Asriel's inability to be saved is literally his own fault and because of his own actions.

>>188008112
acknowledge != accept. I'm not gonna get everyone else a happy ending but then shrug my shoulders at the person who needs saving the most.

>>188008112
>and refuse to consider that even he himself knows he did bad things
And that's fine. But I did the same bad things too, so why is he the only one getting punished in the end? If he's not getting punished, then what the fuck is this bittersweet bullshit at the end of the TP ending?

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How hard is it to not respond to shitters who want to start up characterfag wars?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj5wnsn5Otw

This has potential. I hope they keep working at it.

>>188008254
>so why is he the only one getting punished in the end?
His punishment is self inflected see >>188008234

>>188008234
>>188008325
So the only difference between why Flowey can't be saved and why Frisk can is because I don't feel guilty about my actions?

What the fuck?

>>188008254
He's not getting punished, he remains in the exact same state he was before ever resetting in the first place. That's not punishment, that's status quo at best.

>>188008251
>at the person who needs saving the most.
and in the end isn't this just the Asrielfag mindset?
Fuck everyone else all that matters is MY favorite and that they get saved? They'll damn everyone else and agure about why they suck and don't deserve to be happy because at the end of the day all they care about is Asriel.

Even Asriel wouldn't like you guys for doing this. He would be horrified at how you all are trying to agure that his loved ones suck and deserve to burn.

>>188008354
Yeah pretty much.

>>188008325
>spent entire game helping people overcome their shortcomings and doubts
>culminates with being so pumped with determination and the power of anime friendship that you refuse to fucking die
>"sorry frisk I just can't"
>"oh ok"
>THE END
I didn't accept it then, I still don't accept it now.

>>188008390
Then what the fuck Toby? I was trying to find a good reason behind that bullshit considering just how ridiculous everything else in the TP ending was, so why go super hard with the fatalism in the last 10 seconds?

>>188008410
>all this salt over someone thinking Asriel deserves to be saved

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>>188008434
This is why I hate true pacifist. This is why I stick to genocide. Because at least genocide doesn't try and pull any of this bullshit.

>>188008434
Maybe Asriel shouldn't have committed all those murders

>>188008554
Maybe I shouldn't have committed all those murders and reset? Wait, Frisk can still totally have a completely happy ending despite that? Oh, okay.

Either punish both or punish neither. All I'm asking for is a little consistency.

>>188008434
Just like a god of water can't control fire, don't be dense.

>>188008439
Dude, how is this just fatalism? If he was just missing legs, and after everything that goes down, he'd still be missing his legs, it's the same exact thing. How many times have you seen stories where people try in hubris to change something that they just can't? Asriel's lacking a soul, that's not something you can just fix. Nothing you see determination do indicates it's something that can be fixed. The six souls won't be resurrected either, there are limits to what you're capable of doing.

>>188008546
Oh, hello. Just woke up, or time off?

At the end of the day it boils down to this

Asriel won't be saved because of his own actions and because he committed those actions for no reason other then his own selflessness. The video game can't identify why you kill everyone outside of genocide where it does punish you.

>>188008645
>Asriel's lacking a soul, that's not something you can just fix
Why? You SAVEd everyone else.

asrielfags btfo

will they ever recover

>>188008725
They already had a soul. SAVE is not a literal 'fix everything forever' button.

>>188008696
>The video game can't identify why you kill everyone outside of genocide where it does punish you
Actually it totally can. Kill Toriel and reset. Then spare her. Boom. All Toby had to do was keep an separate tally for each timeline and then have those take effect at the end if this was truly his intention.

>>188008809
It still can't identify your motivation outside of genocide where it makes it very clear you are just doing it for the same reason Flowey did.

That's why you get a bad ending in genocide. So yeah fuck off with this whole whining about how its unfair that a serial killer like Asriel didn't get saved

>>188008795
>is not a literal 'fix everything forever' button
9 times out of 10 it was. Which is still pretty good. But all of this is pointless. Now we're just arguing over the what rather than the why. I thought there might have been a reason Asriel SHOULDN'T be saved, but it turns out that, no, there's no justifiable reason that couldn't also apply to you.

>>188008809
A lot of people have killed Toriel by accient the first time around. Not to mention Froggit outright tells you that beating them into spare conditions is valid. How would you differentiate between accident and intention?

>>188008894
>thought there might have been a reason Asriel SHOULDN'T be saved
because hes a serial killer that killed everyone for kicks. We've been over this multiple times now.

>>188008881
Then it should. Because otherwise what happens to Asriel should also happen to you in some way/shape/form.

You don't get it, anon. This breaks the true pacifist ending. It contradicts the message, assuming that was what Toby intended, that actions have consequences, and because of those consequences, some things can't be changed. But in what case what are consequences of Flowey's actions? How are they any different than yours?

> All this characterfag shittery.
The reason Toby doesn't follow up on stretch goals better be that he's secretly making a sequel that resolves everything.

wtf where's the porn I can't fap to this

>>188009013
Everything is resolved. Everyone who deserves a happy ending got one, and Asriel didn't.

>>188008994
>Then it should
Its a fucking video game not an omnipotent god. the only ending where it can be sure that you're just doing everything for the lols is genocide so thats why its the one you get punished on

>>188008972
>because hes a serial killer that killed everyone for kicks
So was my Frisk. I killed everyone on neutral just to see their deaths, and then reset and spared them. I am literally no different from Flowey. So why didn't they get punished at the end, too?
>hurr the game can't do that
Then maybe don't try to justify this outcome by parameters the game is incapable of keeping track of.

>>188008894
No it wasn't. It reminds the characters of you, it doesn't magically fix all of their problems, otherwise Toriel and Asgore would be jumping in each others arms, Alphys wouldn't be the least bit anxious ever again, and so on.

>Now we're just arguing over the what rather than the why
Are you purposely being this obtuse?

People have given you precise reasons, and you're ignoring every one of them and only focusing on "but I killed too, so Frisk shouldn't be happy either".

>>188008881
>>188008934
>FRISK DINDU NUFFIN

>>188009093
>People have given you precise reasons
You've only given me vague reasons, and they're the same vague reasons I rejected before this conversation started. I thought I'd found something new. It turns out that nothing's really changed.

>>188009092
>by parameters the game is incapable of keeping track of.
It tracks this via genocide which is why its the ending where Frisk doesn't get a happy ending. As soon as you prove to the game that you're just like Flowey it will forever deny you a happy ending just like it denies Flowey one.

Flowey already had his genocide ending before Frisk even fell. He was damned via his own actions before the game even began

>>188009191
>As soon as you prove to the game that you're just like Flowey it will forever deny you a happy ending just like it denies Flowey one
But that's wrong. Flowey never did the genocide ending otherwise the world wouldn't exist. Flowey didn't sell their nonexistent soul to Chara to bring the world he destroyed back. He killed everyone and reset. You can do that. You can kill everyone, meet Chara, and reset like nothing ever happened.

Your logic doesn't work anon. Can't you see that?

>>188009065
If that was true, there wouldn't be room for everything above. When everything is resolved you have closure. This isn't closure.

>>188009263
Chara is just the aspect that the world uses to punish you. Flowey is punished in a similar but just as equal way

Don't be retarded

>>188009293
There is no closure for delusional people like Asrielfags outside of letting them live out their fantasy of loving a genocidal goat. If you please them, you ruin the game for everyone else.

The game says that if you behave like Flowey you should be denied a happy ending. If you play like Flowey the game doesn't recognize it unless you go way past he did and literally wipe out the universe.

How is this not a glaring flaw in the game's design?

>>188009183
If you reject the blatant answer that there is no way to restore Asriel's soul and therefore he made the decision to stay, then I really don't know what to tell you.

>>188009263
Flowey has a different situation than what you have, there's no Frisk/Chara/Player situation with him, did you just not fucking play the game at all?

>>188009293
Not every story ends with every plot point and every single thing being resolved, is Undertale the first fictional story you've ever experienced?

>>188009404
You get punished for killing everyone not because Chara blew up the universe, dumbass.

>>188009342
>Don't be retarded
You first. Chara is an aspect used to punish actions that are objectively worse than Flowey ever did. Performing equal actions to what Flowey did still allows you to get the "happy" ending.

>>188009382
I don't have a problem with the TP ending if there were conditions where a Frisk who played like Flowey would also receive some form of punishment.

>>188009404
He didn't get the option because he's not human, there is no Chara with him and he's never given the option. Even with the Genocide route, you kill everyone, EXACTLY like Flowey did, whereas the destruction of the universe is taken out of your control.

You're arguing so hard that now you're just ignoring parts of the game, come on.

>>188009504
>that are objectively worse than Flowey ever did.
Frisk didn't blow up the universe you fucking dumbass. Chara did and they do so regardless of what you want. All you get punished for is killing everyone just like Flowey did and just like he gets punished.

Stop going full retard

>>188009439
>Flowey has a different situation than what you have
Except he didn't. He treats you exactly the same as him when you play through neutral. He was a "player" for the longest time, too.

>>188009450
Actually, you don't. You need to blow up the universe to "activate" the consequences. Otherwise you're still free to go back, even at the very last second.


I know you're getting frustrated anon, but try and understand what I'm trying to say.

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No matter how much you bitch and agure it won't change the fact that Asriel is never getting saved while all the other characters do.

Stay butthurt

>>188009549
>>188009559
see
>>188009586
>You need to blow up the universe to "activate" the consequences. Otherwise you're still free to go back, even at the very last second

>>188009504
Flowey killed everyone.
You killed everyone.
Chara is a variable that didn't exist for Flowey and they destroy the world, not you.

>>188009586
>Actually, you don't. You need to blow up the universe to "activate" the consequences.

You can't quit the game anymore there and both options lead to the universe getting blown up. Flowey was never even offered this choice, because his situation was different, there was no Chara there.

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>>188009592
i love lizard

>it doesn't count because the situation wasn't the exact same down to the smallest detail?!!?
lmao, really?

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>>188009592

>>188009671
>not you
You press the button that either directly does it or indirectly does.

I'm done. This is pointless. If the intention behind Asriel's fate in True Pacifist was to show that some actions have permanent consequences, then Toby fucked up. If not, then it's still a shitty ending.

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>>188009696
>>188009761

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>>188009592

>>188009671
>You can't quit the game anymore there and both options lead to the universe getting blown up
You can, have you ever tried?

>>188009746
Pretend I kicked you in the balls. Now pretend someone sawed both your arms off. We get the same punishments. Is that fair?

>>188009817
I want to drop a big spider into that cage and watch her panic.

>>188009764
Its a great ending actually. All the characters I liked get saved and are happy and the character I hated doesn't get saved

What more could I ask for?

>>188009849
stay mad

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>>188009817
small

>>188009849
Yes. ESC no longer works in that scene. The only way out is through Task Manager shutdown.

>>188009871
That's completely fine, anon. Just don't try and pretend it makes any moral sense. Logical sense is still fine, though. He doesn't have a soul, and heretofore there are no ways of giving him one. So it's the only possible conclusion.

Just try and avoid words like "deserve" from now on and you should be fine.

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>>188009905
SMALLER

>>188009943
>and pretend it makes any moral sense
It does though
I'm not a shitty serial killer and none of the others are (well maybe Asgore but he had objectively good reasons for doing so or are least better reasons than Asriel).

It only makes sense we get a happy ending why he doesn't. Its the moral and logical

>>188009936
>Yes. ESC no longer works in that scene
But quitting to dashboard on console still does. Which is coincidentally the only way to quit on console

>>188009764
>You press the button that either directly does it or indirectly does.

Now you're just being ridiculous. If you press the button not to erase the world, you clearly didn't want it to happen, how is it your fault that Chara decides to fuck you over anyway?

I don't think you wanted to argue in the first place, you really just wanted to either waste time, or have everyone validate your opinion.

>>188010029
>why Toby couldn't hack computer if he really meant it?!?!
You can not be serious

>>188009871
Wow people really do project their own hatred and insecurities onto others to make themselves feel better. Sorry Asrielfags, you're alright.

>>188010009
>I'm not a shitty serial killer
But I am and I could still get a happy ending. So we're basically the same despite taking completely different paths.

>>188010029
I wouldn't know, I don't have a console. Though I believe consoles do have some level of restriction, which is why Omega Flowey didn't do his funky stuff the exact same way either, it being a soft reboot, rather than you having to start the game up again.

>>188010114
all I've seen is Asrielfags whining about how Frisk / Asgore / whoever else deserves to suffer while their little dindu goat doesn't. Shit gets annoying

>>188010037
>how is it your fault that Chara decides to fuck you over anyway?
Because you pressed a button next to one called ERASE after talking to a genocide demon brought back to life through the sheer power of murder.

Sometimes the only winning move is not to play.

>>188010096
Eh, his fault for selling a product with such a glaring oversight - if that was ever his intention from the start.

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>>188010114
Some of us are pretty shit, but thanks.

>>188009985
alphys why are you so smol

>>188010171
>deserves to suffer
But the entire argument is that nobody deserves to suffer. You're blinded by your own hatred.

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>>188010246

>resetting murder is still murder i know you killed toriel
>resetting murder is no longer murder kiddo you have a responsibility with your powers
>resetting murder is no longer murder so reset and make friends with everyone and you get a happy ending
>resetting murder is still murder so fuck you gote

>>188010352
Stay mad

>>188010148
It's a shame, because custom error messages would have been really fucking cool. Maybe there's rules against forcing application closes or something. Consoles aren't as open as PC when it comes to software tampering and the like.

>>188010518
>Maybe there's rules against forcing application closes or something.
There are

>>188010516
Not an argument

>>188010590
You're not listening to anyone's argument anyway, so what does it matter if they just call you a retard

I found some pictures on hentai foundry that I haven't seen before. It was a good day for Undertale porn

>>188010782
I just found a fresh Asgore lewd that was nice.

>>188010782
which characters

>>188010846
Good for you
>>188010916
Some good pictures of female undertales. If that's not your thing, there was some dudestuff there too. You have to search for Undertale in the searchbar though because it doesn't have an Undertale category.

>>188010674
Your argument doesn't make sense. You bring up genocide in an attempt to prove it, but that just makes you look even dumber. There's no point in continuing.

>>188010998
Any argument that doesn't end in Asriel being saved would be dumb to you

>>188011276
the fact that this artist was somehow brought on board the skeleverse underfell game is a fucking travesty

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>>188011365
Skeleton hell is the fate of too many good Undertale artists.

>>188011494
has that been the fate of former /utg/ contentfags? could doogle be writing soriel or fontcest this very minute?