Holy Mantle edition
Last thread: >>121475246
Adds new content, breaks old content, buffs and nerfs items.
Patch notes never
Azazel nerf is BUGGED, supposedly.
>What does "item" do?
>What's that HUD that people are using?
>What is "thing" on the post-it note?
Top row: Mom's Heart/It Lives, Isaac, Boss Rush
Middle row: Satan, ???, The Lamb
Bottom row: Mega Satan, Greed Mode, Hush
>What is Hush/Blue Womb?
New boss in a new area that opens when you beat Mom's Heart before the 30th minute.
>How to unlock The Lost?
Please note that the seeds are from Rebirth, and don't work in Afterbirth anymore.
1. Isaac must die to a Mulliboom in one of the Basement floors. Mulliboom seed: FHRD S1N1 (Go into the large room above the starting room. You can easily die from full health in here to them.) Or if not: JTMD EZPF (one is directly below - Normal difficulty)
2. Magdalene must die to her own bomb in one of the Caves floors. (Pyro Seed: ALFA 0NTZ)
3. Judas must die to Mom's Foot as Judas in one of the Depths or Necropolis floors. Good Seed: 8LDE 8XDX (Wait on using the Joker till the 3rd floor and avoid the devil rooms and you'll get the sacred heart. You also get the Sad Onion on the first floor.
4. Azazel must die to Satan in Sheol (his blood/laser form or hooves, NOT leeches or The Fallen). You must NOT use a seed.
I want to sexualize Little Horn!
>all the new alt floors just have filters and recolors/reskins of existing enemies
>all the new enemies are just recolors/reskins that explode upon dying, shoot bullets upon dying or spawn something upon dying
>most of the new items feel half-baked and lazy
>Lilith is actually neat but now that she's been nerfed she's just another gimmick that requires Battery Items to be useful
>Greed Mode is ridiculously basic and typical despite being so hyped up
>synergies still revolve almost-exclusively around Brimstone, Mom's Knife and the Fetus Items
>new bosses range between bland rehashes like Dangle and "stalling for time to make your Speedrun to Boss Rush/Hush hell" like Rag Man and Little Horn
>Ultra Greed and Hush are HP Sponges since Edmund doesn't like players having fun and deserving the power from the combinations they acquired
>the challenges, being based on fucking Reddit Suggestions range between uninspired, moderately interesting and "Pray to RNG you can fucking beat this"
>Edmund trying to do some "ARG" Bullshit that prevents everyone from enjoying the full game because of a few dataminers who spoiled his precious "I die in 1 hit and am basically impossible to use now thanks to bullshit rooms" Lost Mystery in Rebirth by timegating everything all the while acting like a smug, pretentious fuck on Twitter with his buttbuddy Tyrone, which only happened because Edmund was acting like a smug, pretentious fuck on Twitter with his buttbuddy Tyrone about it while the community was putting the pieces together
>every patch just adds an incredibly small trickle of items, trinkets, etc and nerfs characters and other items based on what Reddit feels like complaining about and/or what Edmund deems to be "too fun" for the game
>Less than mediocre Lazarus run
>Made it to the womb 1 but don't have high hopes for beating the endgame bosses
>find red chest
>second red chest
>even found guppy's head on womb 2
I've got scum luck boys
WHY THE FUCK ISN'T THIS PIECE OF SHIT ON CAVES OR DEPTHS ALREADY?
WHY THE FUCK IS HE EVEN MORE TEDIOUS WHEN HE'S ALREADY BULKY ENOUGH FOR A BASEMENT 1 BOSS?
Hey fuckos, this just in.
Mom's Box+Curved horn gives you almost as much damage as Book of Belial except constantly
First for pregnant demons
>Your waifu is a baby factory
>The Soul, Orbitals and Lost Contact no longer affect Hush and Ultra Greed's Bullets
>their damage also scales with how much total health you currently have and The Wafer doesn't negate it
I'm just waiting for this to happen.
>Angel Rooms more common
This would be a good thing. People's issues are that they AREN'T common since the ones that do show up are shitty rooms with coins or hearts and the fact that they hold the key to Mega Satan
Not that Devil Rooms are that much better anymore. It's just their Room pool doesn't suck
FOR THE LAMB
AFTER ALL THESE ROOMS OF FUCKED UP SHIT
DOUBLE MONSTRO II
THOSE BLACK GAPERS
THOSE QUADRUPLE RED HUSKS
FUCK THEM ALL
I'M HERE TO EARN THE SOUL, AND YOU AREN'T GONNA STOP ME
Yep, charge is still slow as shit.
And apparently Ultra Greed was totally revamped
>Key coins now spawn in larger number, so in order to get rid of doors you need to destroy more than one
>Coin activation is dependent on his rage, not sure how it's calculated, but at max rage it's nearly impossible to destroy any coins
Overall I think new U. Greed is pretty fun and hard, might actually give me motivation to play greed mode from time to time.
Also, I forgot, it seems like Monstro is no longer the pre ultra greed boss, now it's Greed or 2 super greeds from what I've seen. This is leading me to believe that Monstro was put there as a placeholder and Nicalis forgot to swap him out.
Also, the greed donation machine jam chance increases 1% every 5 coins, and resets when playing a different character. I'm assuming 1125 people need to reach 999 coins before we get the Keeper because >muh ARG
I'd prefer if Edmund did this shit the way that the Surgeon Sim devs did, by having the content available in the first place and having elaborate unlock conditions, but instead of gating the how to unlock shit away, hide it better instead.
1125 doesn't mean how many people need 999.
It means we're getting the new content regardless on November 25th since there's probably no way for them to actually track how many people reach 999 with their level of competence.
I guess the Dunce hat is cool sometimes.
>Hide it better
McEggerson couldn't hide The Lost, his ultra secret month-long character. No way the fuckers at Nicalis are smart enough to hide content
Also I'm not surprised about the Monstro, but it really ruins the mode now because Nicalis are shit programmers
>You fight some Greeds
>That wasn't hard!
>Ultra Greed in the next room
Would've been genius
Just got a pretty bitchin run with The Lost, should I do Hush or Mega Satan?
I mean I can't do both since it stops at blue womb right?
>starts off with the nail and blood of the martyr
>think it's going to be a great run
>curse of the blind
Occasionally lifts up to deflect shots. Makes you immune to explosions a la Pyromaniac.
Also couldn't screenshot it in time, but
>THE SOUL HAS APPEARED IN THE BASEMENT
Now I can go to sleep, after 5-6 fucking hours of Isaac. Job well done. One of the hardest shit I've had to do in my life, honestly.
The feeling you get, when you win as the Lost, after hours of effort paying off. It's exhilarating.
goin on him now, wish me luck
should I save the devil card for Large Lucifer? I dont think its gonna do shit against the Hush's damage cap thing
I just beat Hush with Soy Milk + Poison Tears
I never got hit thanks to getting a Stopwatch in the ??? floor store, but holy hell that took 10 minutes to kill him
>Make greed even more of a bullet sponge
>Increase machine jam rate
BRAVO EDMUND. EVAN ARG
>tfw being XBOX HUEG saved your life
Which sucks. Samson is at least better than WotL, but Maggy hasn't been touched since fucking Vanilla before even the Halloween Update
Would be perfect unlocks from the Greed Machine
About that, did anyone else see this really shitty glitch in which the Punching Bag stumbles on spikes and loses like FOUR OR FIVE HP AT ONCE?!
Dude even flashes red for like 6 seconds whenever this happens.
Allow me to explain:
When YOU touch spikes, you take damage once, then gain Mercy Invincibility because you're the player.
When the Punching Bag touches spikes, he takes several damage, because he has no Mercy Invincibility.
This shit should be the reward for Greed Machine donations.
It already took Cain from high tier to top tier, why can't it bring the others up as well?
Maybe even make Greed Mode some sort of special mode where you need to at least down one of the 2 final bosses with each character, sans lost before unlocking.
Unlocks could include shit like
>Dice Shard for Isaac
>Petrified Poop for Blue Baby
>Guaranteed Eden's Blessing for Eden
>Curved Horn for Azazel
After unlocking each item, of course.
It would make the Greed machine useful for more than just ARG purposes, and would give motivation to play greed mode to the end.
>dice shard for isaac when he already has the D6
Have a picture of two skull dudes forever walking on each other until I put a wake up call on their messy pathfinding.
>It already took Cain from high tier to top tier
You mean it took Cain from 'utter garbage' tier with every single other non Azazel/Isaac/Pre-Afterbrith Judas character, and brought him to 'better than everybody except Azazel/Isaac but still shit' tier
Too fun. Too overpowered. You're not trying to choke on Egg's steak, are you?
God, even NL seems fed up with what's going on.
You're getting your memes backwards, you fuck
Egg =/= Egg McMuffin
I can't think of any other item to give Isaac that would fit in his theme, honestly.
>damage modifier higher than everyone except for Judas
>guaranteed second floor item room no matter what
>highest base luck stat, increasing chances of finding lucky pennies, and gets better payouts from the bloodbank.
NL is Egg, Edmund is Eggmound/Eggmund/Egg mcmuffin.
At the very least, could that starting pill be coded to be positive or neutral? I'm getting real fucking sick of having to R just because my starting pill was a Health Down or Bad Trip.
Especially since I have no idea if that "Revived Lazarus can't get Lazarus' Unlocks" Thing is true or not, knowing fucking Edmund lately.
Someone tell Edmund there's still fun to root out
It's easy to keep track of who is who, one is a scumlord who understands nothing about the binding of isaac despite dedicating years of his life to it, and the other is northernlion.
Just use it after you've killed yourself on the first floor. It turns health down into health up and bad trip into full health. It only sucks if it's tears or speed down because of the wasted time but oh well.
The immense amount of sighing and tone show that he would just like to play the game without bullshit. This latest patch shows that the devs and edmund give zero fucks about their consumer base and just like fucking with people. I'm kinda getting tired of all this bullshit and its become worse than the WOTL release.
>48 Hour Energy no longer recharges your current item and only spawns One Battery
>Pickups can only be duplicated and/or rerolled once
>Goodie Bags no longer contain Batteries and are far, FAR rarer even with the sack
>Blank Card + ? Card no longer spawns 2 random items and instead spawns a particularly powerful enemy/group of enemies like ??? or Quadruple Pink Champion Cage
He said something like "I'm not too sure about these patch changes, but Edmund and Tyrone know what they're doing and it's their game so they probably understand better than I do, so let's give them a shot, I'll probably end up loving them"
That's the canadian equivalent of a death threat.
iirc in his latest Daily video he recognized that it was dumb to nerf a character after a year and he said he's not sure if he believes things aren't in the game because of bugs instead of a timegate.
>Just beat Chest, Dark Room, and Boss Rush as the Lost
Excuse me Eggman. It seems you fucked up again
Ok so is the reason they didn't buff azazel again was because he would've been easy to rush through on greed mode and hence people would get to the "secret" too quickly? I'm not sure but this seems like a cluster fuck right now.
I really doubt it. I think he barely browses anything because of the amount of shit he records. That and his latent magic addiction is enough to keep him busy.
Holy shit I remember the shitstorm after Krampus' Head was nerfed in Rebirth. Even NL said it seemed like a bad idea and that there would be no reason to pick it up most of the time, to which Tyrone replied something like "all i hear is waah waah". Needless to say, NL apologised and admitted he should wait before jumping to conclusions. I swear, this guy makes me mad sometimes.
You need to fill out the ENTIRE post-it note as the Lost to unlock godhead.
You know what that means for afterbirth right?
HUSH, MEGA SATAN AND GREED MODE AS THE LOST
DON'T EAT YOUR STEAK TOO QUICKLY MOTHERFUCKER :^)
You're doing it again.
Egghead is NL, cause he has an egghead
well yeah but it happened every time, I started the floor with 23 damage and ended at about 16
At first I thought it was just Libra balancing out my stats, but then I realized it was happening with items that don't even affect stats. All the changes were reverted when I changed floors though
Yeah fuck no. Not doing Mega Satan as the lost ever
At least until he makes it easier to unlock the fuckers door
They're both pretty eggish to be fair
>Playing Azazel cause daily
>"heh, I wonder if this means I'll have a constant brimstone"
>Literally nothing changes
YUP. THIS CHARACTER NEEDED A NERF ALRIGHT. THE DUDE WITH NEXT TO NO SYNERGIES NEEDED TO BE NERFED INSTEAD OF USELESS SHITS LIKE LAZARUS AND MAGGY GETTING BUFFED.
ALL IN ONE FUCKING BITE RIGHT ED?!
>Not doing Mega Satan as the lost ever
Just get Mom's Knife and a lot of damage boosts, it literally one-shots each of Satan's phases with just a few decent bonuses. The only hard part is the Horsemen/Sins/Angel spam
It's not that hard, you just have to skip the first devil deal, hope you get an angel room on floor 3 (50% base chance, can be increased by certain things like donating 10 coins to the donation machine)
You can exploit a single angel room for multiple key pieces by exiting and reloading the game after killing the angel
I'm fine with fighting him. Hell I already beat Hush as him on my Boss Rush run
Not fine with trying to get the piece of shit key pieces
Can you make the Angel's start spawning items after that?
Either way I just got all the other parts of his note done today so I'll wait on that
So i bought rebirth for ps4 and i'm having a pretty good time
never played this game before and ended up unlocking all the characters except judas in the first 5 or so runs
I checked the patch notes for this game and wow does the dev just nerf things constantly? like that's a common theme i'm seeing, just nerf after nerf, which i personally don't get since it's a single player game
what's up with this shit?
>Mom's Knife first floor
>Two of Diamonds
literally impossible to lose
Yes, you can
You need a bomb to wake him up each time, unless you make a key pedestal spawn on top of the angel, at which point he'll wake up as soon as you reload into the game because it destroys his "block"
However, if you accidentally pick up a key piece while doing so, the angel will stop dropping them, so you have to avoid picking up any while farming him
>implying that nerfing things will balance anything
if everything gets nerfed to shit then yeah you have balance
what about 90% of the items that a pure shit that aren't getting buffed? is that balance?
Oh yeah sure, I should've specified im not defending edmunds shitty changes, but I keep seeing here that a single player game doesn't need to have changes to it purely because it's single player. I don't know whether it's the same guy over and over though.
That's true, I just thinks it's silly to have to intentionally gimp yourself in order to compensate for bad design choices
There are times when things need to be nerfed/buffed but edmunds just doing a poor job of it
No seriously why
What kind of substance does this add to the game
>killing Ragman's spiders doesn't proc Lusty Blood
Just finished a glorious run.
>Shit damage throughout, only damage ups are Halo and Chemical Peel
>Use Diplopia on Small Rock because I was just that desperate.
>Everything turns around suddenly
>Get Cricket's Head and Steven on the same floor.
>Get D7 on the Chest.
>I have Battery Baby so lots of battery drops
>Redo tiny room with one Little Horn in it over and over until strong as fuck.
don't stand still, first of all
second, if he moves slightly in your direction when he's jumping, that means it's a fast one, so you should move as fast as possible
fortunately, you don't have to move as much as his other jump, because the shockwave pushes you a bit out of the way
if you're never standing still you should be fine though
If it's the same patch that happened earlier today, greed mode changes. Ultra greed is harder now, Greed/Super greed instead of Monstro, and it now shows your percentage chance of the greed machine jamming
>Azazel is still completely fucking useless
I can still win with him just fine :^)
Is there anyway to unlock ending 17 if you fucked up the first time? I had everything unlocked prior to Afterbirth and apparently to help people unlock ending 17 in the last patch they made the next time you encountered hush give you the chest for the ending. But I accidentally killed myself on a bomb before touching the chest. Is there anything I can do to unlock it? Any CE magic?
>boring character that's boring attack doesn't synergize for shit
>only thing of note is he is moderately powerful early on
>"Hey lets making this boring character even more shit by removing the only reason he is okay!"
only good thing he has going for him
I rarely play Azazel but his only redeeming quality is you can shit out a sub 20 minute run every time and have
fun.This nerf makes no sense apart from Ed preventing people from farming money for Greed Mode and ruining their steak.
Why doesn't he nerf particular characters FOR Greed Mode? League and DOTA 2 do that fine for their official custom modes, if the concern that Azazel can burn through Greed Mode too fast then nerf him for Greed Mode.
Literally could be the only reason they did this. Also ties in with the fact that Lilith was nerfed as well. I mean there is ARG shit and then there is just obnoxious fucking bullshit like what they're pulling at the moment. I would like to just play the game without having to deal with this buggy piece of shit just because they want to feel special. Everyone knows about the fucking character anyway.
what's a good strategy for family man?
i've tried restarting until i get guppy's head in a sacrifice room first floor but then i never end up getting other guppy pieces for the transformation
the damage simply isnt there for later levels, takes too long to kill anything
The thing i don't understand is why nerf the character in the first place, it's a single player game. There is no competition, no need to balance.
After a while of playing the game it gets easy and it's up to the player to make it challenging for themselves
Every day I'm hating this game more, because of the particular way he wants us to eat our fucking steak.
He probably thinks it just makes the game too easy, despite having to get unlocks on every character INCLUDING THE FUCKING LOST (and Lazarus/??? who I despise) to unlock everything. The game already has a skill cap, why nerf the character more?
>After a while of playing the game it gets easy and it's up to the player to make it challenging for themselves
That's who he's balancing it for. So that the people who've played it for a million hours can't win every time, no matter how good they are.
That's probably the hardest of the rebirth challenges. I would just hope for a bob's brain and hopefully another follower or too, getting guppy seems like a stretch.
When I did it I had the issac head trinket, abel, bob's brain and got lucky with soul hearts.
>Tie a character to a certain, other character to unlock
>Pick one of the easiest characters to play
>Be surprised when people are rushing through the easiest mode with the easiest character to play as to unlock the best character for said mode
Honestly, they just look retarded in retrospect
I have too much time on my hands. Too bad you can't hear game music though, since I replaced that too.
frisk is very bald i need to give him hair
What is the 10% thing on the side?
Chance of blowing up?
>so people who've played it for a million hours can't win every time
So balance a game for the few thousand you have actually poured that much time into this game and screw over the other million?
... actually that seems like something retarded they would actually do
>just lost a perfect guardian run because a walking host wouldn't pop his head up for me to kill him and just walked into my heart until it died
I'm starting to get really fucking fed up with this game
>punching bag walking over spikes or into red poop
>take 4 hearts of damage
>he wants NOBODY to be able to win consistently, no matter how good they are
My god, what a cunt. Just looked at his twitter for the first time and it's him ranting about a retail worker.
hey guys i fixed the guardian challenge
punching bag has a leash like gemini
Have you fucking played Afterbirth?
Have you fucking played the Cave Story remake?
Nicalis is incompetent as all fuck, it was a miracle that Rebirth came out in a nearly perfect state.
He's also the art director, and he also handles the story himself, and in vanilla he was the only artist. He's not just an ideas guy.
Ed is the fucking reason ANYBODY plays Isaac. If it were just Nicalis working on the game nobody would fucking play it
This teaches me not to touch their stuff ever. I can't believe Ed went to them to work on his game
What's more unbelievable is how near-perfect Rebirth is
This guy here. That Eve run with Tech 2 has been fucking awful. 25 minutes to hit Sheol, faced double Mr. Fred for the Womb bonus round.
I am now Guppy from Tail, Paw, and Collar. Grabbed Dead Cat for fun. This is getting good, finally.
Clearly you just don't GET it man
It's probably some stupid secret that Edmund thinks is great
I already have Ipecac. Should I do it bros?
OH BOY, I SURE FUCKING LOVE THE CURSE OF THE MAZE
IT'S LITERALLY THE GREATEST THING IN THE GAME, EVEN MORE FUN THAN PRE-NERF AZAZEL RUNS
I SURE FUCKING HOPE NOBODY REMOVES IT FROM THE GAME
>Replying to me with my own artwork
Do it, faggot
Who the FUCK came up with the Speed! challenge?
Haven't done Eve yet, did a couple Maggies in the last thread
Kind of just relaxing doing some artwork of my own characters after the frustration that was restarting a million great runs as Lilith due to BS RNG
Fuck Hush's time limit
Well, I now know what Trinket I'll be going for with Azazel every time I can get it.
Damn, this is what Azzy's range looks like with the Flat Worm + My Reflection tears. Taking out Hush should be absurdly easy (being Guppy will help, too).
>D6 has a 75% Chance to roll successfully
>10% Chance to roll into a garbage item like The Bean
>5% Chance to roll into a Troll Bomb
>5% Chance to roll into a Boss relevant to that floor
>4% Chance to roll into portal that sucks you into I AM ERROR
>1% Chance to roll something actually useful when you want it to
The only curse that isn't an outright detriment to your run is Darkness. That shit barely means anything compared to how Godawful the rest are
>Never sure how much health you have
>Fuck you over as The Lost or waste your time because muh timed missions
>Soy Milk, Bob's Brain, shitty items the curse
>Fuck around for ages and lose out on several items like Shop and Devil
I legitimately think the curses are artificial difficulty now
next patch notes
>game crashes every time you're having fun
Picking up this lil' nigga and Succubus brought me down to 3 and a half hearts but it was worth it. Time to obliterate Isaac and Blue Baby.
>mfw ipecac kills turret faggots before they even get out of their shell
>there is no need to make a game balanced
>be ready to tackle boss rush and megasatan
>don't lose any red hearts from Basement 1 to Womb 2
>don't take any devil deals
>0 angel rooms
>shitty curse makes me miss boss rush by 15 seconds
To be fair that transaction is complete bullshit. I hate that they have to make a big deal out of "nuh uh no sealed games you probably stole it from somewhere but if you open it it's okay"
>tons of damage
>glowing hour glass
>i start to kill moms heart over and over
>after like 6-7 times i notice i havent gotten any chieves and think it doesnt count
>go in chest
>unlock like 20 things
>FUCK I WANTED BLUE BABY FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
>get one angel room in Womb 2
>get Joker card
>devil room in Cathedral
>get Joker card
>devil room in Chest
Shit, I was too late to see but I was going to tell you that if you kill an Angel, don't pick up the keypiece and just restart the game using save and quit, and if you have more bombs you can keep blowing up the statue for the other piece. This also works if you have the D6 to reroll lots of key pieces into angel room items.
>Beat Ultra Greed with soy milk and virtually nothing else
That was the most unthrilling 15 minutes ever.
I THINK I BROKE SOMETHING
What happened to devil rooms that make them not much better than angel rooms?
Angel rooms still have a godawful shitty item pool made up of either items you could get from regular treasure rooms (usually also bad) or unique items that suck dick anyways. Assuming you even get a pedestal item anyways and not just something like 6 pennies.
Devil rooms have an amazing item pool and the unique devil room items are generally high quality. Not to mention taking a devil deal means never getting a shitty angel room ever.
Yeah, you can get a shitty devil room item and you can get a good angel room item (Godhead, Sacred Heart, Body, Mind, Soul, Trinity Shield...), but it's generally less likely than the inverse.
>Devil rooms have an amazing item pool and the unique devil room items are generally high quality
Not anymore I feel like
I think a good Angel Room item is better than the best Devil Room Item, ie Brimstone or Abaddon
But you are right though that you'll probably never consistently get those
Just earlier today, I had 3 devil rooms in a fucking row give me chests and that's it
>"You're gonna have a bad time" >Shoot Boney bones that lower your damage, but not to Soy Milk levels, at extreme speeds that poison like Scorpio
Guess I'll leave this here for you, Anon.
isaac > cain = eve = samson = lilith > judas (rip 100% devil deals) > maggy = lazurus > blue baby = azazel (Zzzzzzzz) > the lost
eden can be anywhere in there since the randomness
>mom's wig + hivemind
Literally F R E E greed run. first time fighting super greed.
>active item that gives you Pride's "X" attack
>passive item that gives you the Angel's beam attack
>active item that acts like Krampus' Head, but for said Angel beam weapon
The best Angel Room items do beat out anything from Devil Rooms (Sacred Heart and Godhead can carry runs by themselves)
Azrael >>> Issac > Judas > Samson > Lazarus > Maggy > Eve > ??? > Cain > the Lost
Eden is random.
In terms of fun:
Isaac>Eden>Cain>Eve>Judas>Lilith>Samson>Lazarus>Azazel>Blue Baby>Maggy>The Lost
Isaac>Azazel pre-nerf>Cain>Judas>Lilith>Samson=Eve>Lazarus>Maggy>Blue Baby>Azazel post-nerf>The Lost
Eden can't be put here because of pure randomness
Azazel is now shit tier.
Cain now starts with the paper clip, and that vaulted him immediately into top tier. Also dat damage.
Judas lost the guaranteed devil/angel rooms, but he's still top tier.
Sounds like someone's shit at this game, boyo
>same stats as base Isaac
>guaranteed base chance for Devil/Angel Rooms
>instant activation of all half-heart bonus items
>underrated active item
>4th highest damage multiplier
Unless you're complete garbage at the game, he's great.
How the fuck do you make the guy who starts with innate flight, 3 black hearts, the highest innate damage multiplier of anyone you can start with, and a fucking short-range BRIMSTONE shit?
I've managed to beat the Lamb with Azazel without any damage upgrades before (and thus also Satan, It Lives, and Mom; it was godawful)
Without damage upgrades you melt everything early game in a single beam and with damage upgrades you just melt everything outside of Mega Satan. And sometimes even him if you get a nuts build.
I stand corrected, have some good level design as a reward
Note that the former part is a bug and isn't intended. And that before the nerfs he was still completely fucked against Hush and Ultra Greed anyways
If you haven't fought them yet, they are impossible to kill quickly.
I just did it a little while ago (>>121560920), and it wasn't too bad (I've killed Hush with Azazel once before this, too). I've also killed Ultra Greed
before the nerfbut I imagine he's a nightmare now.
Their HP scales with how much damage you do.
Both Hush and Ultra Greed have a type of super armor that increases based on damage received in a period of time.
Also killing mega satan in a minute isn't that impressive, faggot.
Speaking of, they finally found out the specifics behind that. Taken as a quote from SA:
"The way Ultra Greed's and Hush's damage scaling works is that they have a damage cap so you can't nuke them in one shot, but they also gain armor when you damage them. (Spider Mod will not display the fact that you're actually dealing less damage to them.) In fact, if your DPS is too high, they stop taking damage altogether. (Spider Mod still does not display that and claims you are still dealing damage.) Which means that you actually have to wait around to wait for their armor to wear off before you can start damaging them again. If your DPS isn't like super high, that's not something you have to worry about."
Basically fuck you enjoy your eternal fight
If the boss was the Fallen, then his drops aren't from the Boss pool but the Devil pool instead.
Fucking christ. So the best way to beat these bosses is to quite literally enjoy your steak slowly?
Has cursed eye always been in the angel room item pool, or did they make angel rooms worse again?
>Trying to beat megasatan as the lost
>Spamming D4 since batteries keep dropping and if I get something shit I can just die and alt+f4
>One of them ends up with Epic Fetus, Poly, Mom's Knife, Host hat, something that makes Epic fetus strike 3 times and a shit ton of orbitals.
>It was my last possible reroll.
Don't forget how Hush has obscene amounts of HP to begin with (6666; the last phase of Mega Satan is 2000 for reference) or how Ultra Greed can heal himself significantly by stealing your coins or with the heart coins and gets stronger as he does so and still has lots of HP ignoring that (3500 before factoring in damage scaling shenanigans)
You might have picked up Chaos, but Afterbirth did fuck over item pools a lot.
>Want to play Video game I enjoy
>Creator actively ruining it to fit his vision
>Creator arbitrarily locking things behind muh arg
>Creator sucking fun out of the game
For fucks sake Afterbirth is absolute garbage, I have heard nothing but complaints since this steaming pile of shit was released
>Edmund cannot update the game without breaking shit
>"Muh cryptic gaem, get bent silly dataminers"
>Meanwhile Nicalis can't make "my reflection" fucking relevant or useful
how accurate is this image?
talking with my brother, we agreed that
WOTL = Full Expansion; it was worth every single dollar
Afterbirth = DLC; It fixed what Rebirth had to make, only gave us more items and thats it
i would say that Nicalis are the ones that corrupted edmund into being a jew, Afterbirth has been kind of a dissapointment and Nicalis cant fucking fix shit
He's a gimmick character with a maximum of 2 hearts rather than 12 and no access to red hearts for healing (they become blue flies instead), but he has an innate triple shot and heals from picking up pennies. Note that he can't get soul hearts or black hearts EVER.
Note that a maximum of 2 hearts means that he has as much endurance in the Womb and beyond as the fucking Lost has with the Holy Mantle (and if you aren't starting a Lost run with that or Dead Cat, I pity you), lacks the synergies the Lost has with stuff like Whore of Babylon and Glass Cannon, doesn't get innate flight or spectral tears (or a starting D4), doesn't get free devil room deals and can't ever take those that cost 2 hearts...
Let that sink in: He's WORSE THAN THE FUCKING LOST.
How likley is that:
A) Ed and Tyrone are fucking with dataminers
B) That there will be more items added to the game later to support them
I am pretty darn disappointed with the amount of items in the game thus far, most are gimmicky, as fuck.
There's actually an unused trinket that the Keeper is supposed to unlock, which makes unlocking shop doors not take any keys.
There's also data for the Holy Mantle as a starting item, which might well be an unlock for the Lost.
So yeah, Ed's new super-secret character is going to make the Lost look GOOD in comparison.
>Explosivo on Greed Mode
>Aww yeah this is fucking great
>Explosivo during normal runs
>Everything fucking jumps
Never noticed how many enemies teleported or jumped before. A lot of them do this.
For some reason I have found Holy Shot on normal treasure rooms and in the dark room / chest. Can't recall if I used Chaos in all of them, most certainly I only did a few times, but I still remember floor II Holy Shot which is objectively a great item.
Ok Rosary saved my run ONE TIME but I agree that the angel room pool is terrible.
Dead Sea Scrolls should never be part of the item pool for any special room other than the library and should at least add a 50% chance of seeing an angel room the very least.
There should be a dual option on Angel Rooms, one thing I liked about Eternal Mode on the previous game was the Eternal Gauntlet, it did not actually feel like Bullshit despite the premise of the mode, which is essentially facing unfair bullshit. Maybe Eternal Gauntlets should be brought back into the game.
Healing from pennies does mean his shallow HP pool can be refilled really easily, and one of his unlocks is starting with the Wooden Nickel to make that drastically easier. And a starting triple shot is nothing to complain about, that's up there with Azazel's starting Brimstone.
So he starts with the pay to play item, which is now a trinket too? Whoopiediefuckingdoo!
How about fixing the combo system. It feels there is only synergy for only the OP items.
Legacy items are worthless, there should be a way to win with shitty items working together.
Speaking of which, was a horseman transformation too hard to ask for?
>Conquest / Horseman Horse
>Any Devil "Contract" Item like the the pact or contract from below
>mfw i finally beat family man to unlock epic fetus
guess i should unlock the lost now, this should be equally as frustrating
i actually dont have lokii's horns, the only time ive ever seen him was on that final family man run, so they probably didnt unlock due to it being a challenge. now i have to find him again, god damn it man seeing him once in like 40 hours of play makes me think he is really rare
Seed, I found, then while playing it saw the possibility to break the game and replayed the seed.
Start as Cain for easy access to first item room, it contains ipecac.
Curse room contains a Jera rune, in addition, within the shop, if you bomb the wall opposite the curse room door, there is a secret room containing 2 more Jera runes!
Do first 8 waves as normal, try to avoid picking up coins. Once finished use 2 of the 3 Jera runes to double the coins, then take them all (You can buy counterfi