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Rakghoul Event - Nov. 10
Battlefront 3 - Nov. 17

/SWGG/ IS NOT YOUR PERSONAL TECH/CUSTOMER SUPPORT FORUM. PLEASE CHECK GOOGLE AS YOUR QUESTION IS UNLIKELY TO BE ANSWERED HERE.

>For General SWTOR info and finding people to play with:
http://pastebin.com/Cp37vLab

Referral system is broken, ask politely in thread if you need a link.

>How do I setup Battlefront II?
http://pastebin.com/fsYU4BUC
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1st for Koth was right
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Wrong neighborhood, motherfucker
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>>121477778
>koth
>ever right
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Time for Bounty Hunters
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>>121477778
>Knights of the Fabulous Empire
>>121477796
That was kinda fun.
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>>121476887
>20-30

I'll just remind you that Tatooine is the worst planet in the game by miles.

If that section makes you want to kill yourself, don't worry, that's normal. It gets a whole lot better as soon as you get off that rock, then you can make a decision.

What class are you playing?
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>>121478028
>It gets a whole lot better as soon as you get off that rock
Because you get to visit places like Hoth, Belsavis, Coruscant and Makeb.
It's wonderful.
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>>121478121
You forgot Quesh, Taris and Balmorra.
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>>121477962
Is a Bounty Hunting ass okay, with bonus Sith Lord and Akk Dog?
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>>121478121
I don't mind those really, especially didn't on my first run. Maybe you've just leveled too many characters and got jaded.
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>>121478195
>he plays males
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>>121478028
Taris is

Holy fucking shit every quest has so much walking
And massive indoor areas where you can't mount
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How to get Steam overlay working with swtor:
>add the swtor launcher.exe to your library
>run steam in administrator mode
>the overlay now works when playing swtor through steam

If you use Steam without administrator privileges the overlay won't work in swtor when booting it through Steam.
Enjoy taking hundreds of screenshots without having to worry if the screenshot function works or not.
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>>121478289
Pretty much always.
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>>121478367
>and all your steam friends can see that you play swtor for 40 hours every single day
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>>121478289
Fuck off freak
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>>121478289
Don't start
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>>121478289
Found the virgin
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>>121478195
Perfectly okay.
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>meet tora
>she laughs
>i get hard
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Hey, Commander.
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>>121478367
You can just use something like puush if you don't want as much hassle or your friends seeing that you play this game so much
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>>121478419
>not having your status offline
>implying non-steam games show up on your profile
I don't find it a big fuss desu. Why should I care what others think what I play?
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>>121478609
I want to fuck her in the ass
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>>121478534
This is what I want to do to Tora.
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>>121478534
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>>121478978
blue pubic hair
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>>121478289
>used to only make male characters
>switched to making characters either male or female depending on what fit the concept best
>now prefer playing female characters
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>>121479034
And no armpit hair either
She's a win/win
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>>121478950
>Baby's baby is pregnant too!
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>>121479157
Except for her personality and voice, which are reasons enough to fucking airlock her.
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>>121479212
>tfw I completely unironically think her laugh is kind of hot
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>>121479212
>voice
no
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>>121479282
Kill yourself kek desu senpai
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>was gonna sleep in and skip class today to play swtor and masturbate all day
>woke up really early for some reason and still have plenty of time to get ready and go
What do
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>>121478950
>Baby's baby is pregnant too!
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>>121479364
no you kill yourself you faggot shit
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>>121479157
>this model
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>>121478609
Does smuggler have any special interactions with her?
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>>121479383
Go to class
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>>121479383
Skip class and just play swtor anyway.
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>>121478289
>he roleplays as a woman
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>>121479614
>I'm Hylo Visz, best republic smuggler hero blah blah
>fuck off bitch im da best
>kay cap'n
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>>121479686
>he self inserts
>he can't disconnect his own persona from his characters enough to be able to play anything he feels like
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>>121479661
I'll do it because you posted cute greenies, thanks anon
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>>121479212
This.

Fucking hate this NPC, want to kill her first chance I get.
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>>121480334
Marauder player pls.
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>>121480334
You're a fucking loser piece of retarded trash
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>>121480417
>trying this hard

wew lad
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>>121480562
die
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>>121480384
>>121480417
>there are waifufags for this piece of shit

what a time to be alive
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>>121480384
>>121480417
I hope a 4channarian from this forum finds you in irl, slices you open and then laughs as salt porn on you
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>>121480606
>>121480617

You need to fuck off now.
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>>121480617
Brutal.
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>>121477962
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Which AC is best and why is it Operative?
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>>121480770
You need to learn how to socialize, you autistic fuck

Absolutely shit taste
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Why is the republic american in tor when they are british everywhere else?
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>>121481042
Because fem IA giggling
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>>121481092
U wot
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>>121481129
>fem IA giggling
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>>121481129
Wish we could have dual wielded vibro knives or whatever the fuck they are called instead of being given a dam assault rifle.
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>>121481129
Wonder what her pussy tastes like
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>mfw manipulating Lana into quitting sith intelligence as IA

sounded like she was literally going to cry for a minute there
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>>121482087
i'd wager it tastes a bit like a ripe vagina___
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>>121482465
>You will never have a chiss cipher gf
>She will never come back to the ship after work up a sweat killing bitches
>She will never take off her clothes and grind her sweaty pussy into your face
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>>121481684

Stealthy dual-wielders is overused and overrated as fuck. Dual-wielding blaster rifles would be awesome though.
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Does he ever stop being a passive-aggressive, overly emotional 14 year old stuck in the body of a grown-ass man?
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>>121482632
A-anon, please....
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>>121482713
>Expecting a kek to ever stop being passive agressive
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>>121482713
>bad Corso
no
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>Become member of Dark Council
>Still fly around in shitty fighter
Why don't I get a dreadnaught to fly around in and then use the crappy fighter as a transport when I get to wherever the fuck I am going.
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>>121481129
>>121481343
any clips of this? I already have two agents and not gonna roll another up to level 10 just to hear the giggle a couple times
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>>121483151
>This post
Kill yourself.
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>>121483250
why? i just wanna hear qts giggling
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>>121483006
Form a guild and buy one. Military hardware costs money asshole.
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what's the best way to get credits? I need an Akk Dog
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>>121483320
It takes 4 hours at most to get to level 10
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>>121483368
I know that. Just want to be able to see a cut scene where Nox is leaving his dreadnaught to go terrorize some planet. Or maybe you show up to meet Marr at the start of KOTFE with your own dreadnaught and fleet which you are always told you have.
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if i find one more mother fucking ice scrabbler jerky recipe
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>>121483484
4 hourse... how fucking slow are you? Literally takes me an hour at most and that is if I'm alt tabbing for porn
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>>121483484
i'm not spending 4 hours of my life just to hear one b roll line of voice acting
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>>121483632
Chiss qt demands that you do it
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What is the best face option for a chiss qt in character creator
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>tfw no qt Chiss companion to romance
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>>121482713
>mfw even a dev admitted during livestream that he didn't like Koth
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>>121484884
2 or 6
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R8
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>>121485018
>Raina Temple
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>>121484884
4
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>>121485173
Use hair 21 instead
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So are the other companion missions you get from your chiefs of staff in KotFE based on influence or time progression?
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>>121485173
0/10

Chiss and not glorious Human master race.
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>>121485701
Already got a human sniper. Want to play a slut operative now
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Are they going to add new warzones soon?
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>>121486026
January new wz gamemode.
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>>121485173
Bah fuck it, random name generator is giving me shit choices, time for twi'lek slut agent
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>>121485178
Not blue, no red eyes, shit tier Chiss if there was ever one.
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>>121486232
>twi'lek agent
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i ate too much popeyes guys. should I level my IA or do heroics on my main?
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>>121486073
Oh nice, wasn't expecting it
Have they said when next season is going to start?
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>>121486476
shut the fck up
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>>121486232

I like twi'leks. Im glad I made my trooper one.
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>>121486529
i dunno. Probably sometime between December-February.
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>>121486516
Level your IA and do some pvp if it's a concealment operative
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So I know autocrit procs add crit chance to your crit multiplier, but what about abilities that proc higher crit chance over 100% chance but aren't technically an autocrit? Does it still add excess crit chance to mult?
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>>121486710
Best race

Even better since most human hairstyles look dumb
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>>121486710
>using a race that can't wear a helmet as trooper
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>>121486892
all percentage over 100% crit is turned into bonus damage.
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>>121486710
qt
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>>121486476
Makes more sense for deep cover work then an alien from the only race that is a full on Imperial ally.
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>>121486710
Twi'leks are cool.
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>>121487291
That one is just fat and skanky, though
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>>121487046
Nice
Is it completely 1 to 1 conversion? 1% chance to 1% mult? That seems pretty broken, I hope it doesn't get nerfed soon although I feel like it will
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Does hamburger helper still work at Bioware? Is there any proof she wrote Koth? She's such a hepler character.
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>>121486916

There are some good ones, but most are bad. Honestly all my characters are aliens. I did have a human, but that was just to unlock the race bonus back in the day.

>>121486958

I do have other outfits, but for the most part I will not use helmets that hide the lekku. Defeats the purpose of playing a twi'lek.
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>>121487647
No it's part of the new system when they merged crit chance with crit multiplier so it won't get nerfed. How much bonus damage is added exactly, i have no idea. You'll need to check the number crunchers on the forums or something.
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>>121488081
She hasn't worked at Bioware in a couple of years and I'm pretty sure didn't work on anything TOR related after she did part of the Smuggler's story.
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>>121488081
no, hepler quit awhile ago
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>Minimizing SWTOR and then hovering your pointer over the icon brings up a little window of what's going on in the game in real time.

nice
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>>121488460

That's not a SWTOR thing. That's been a thing since....I'm using Windows 7 and I have that. How have you never noticed before?
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>>121486516
you should probably run on a treadmill for 2 hours

and i dont mean a timesink/gear treadmill either
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I'm doing it. I'm increasing my deepus.

Just a few hours ago I was parsing 5.3k.

I'm still in shitty comm gear and 192 set gear (I do have a 220 MH,though), so more damage will be coming once I gear up.
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Reminder that Trask Ulgo was the true hero of KOTOR
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>>121490335
Good job senpai
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mfw marauder shitters dying to my pyro shield
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>>121490525

Reminder that Smuggler can deliver Darth what'shisface's head to Trask's descendants.
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>>121487606
That's the best kind though.
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>>121491771
Not with that face
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>>121479614
Only a few.
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>>121491771
>those thighs
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>>121491867
>hiding his name
wew lad

I bet you shower with swimming trunks on too
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>>121486916
>Best race
But that's not a Miraluka trooper, anon.
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>option to kill Xalek
FINALLY.
I have to take his bone head and send it to Harkun demanding a refund.
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>most cost effective way to get to level 40 influence is buying 6083 rank 1 gifts
>it takes 5 hours using a macro to use them all
It's still faster than farming crystals and buying legendary gifts
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>>121491827
Eh, it works for me.
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>>121489040
no. i've never played a game that's compelled me to alt-tab while i travel or load.
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I really like resurrection of old dialogue system. That dialogue wheel has outstayed its welcome for anything more complex than
1. I'll be happy to do it
2. Why not I guess
3. You're incompetent so watch me how I do it.
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Why the fuck are the companions so strong? I feel like I am the goddamn apprentice, and playing without them is a bitch.
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>>121492791
You are aware that it's only there because it's cheaper, right. When talking to actual main characters you still get the Dialogue Wheel (tm).
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>>121492806
Because it's a single player game. I was doing the black hole for conquest points and thought the H4 was going to pain to solo with level sync. Turns out it's now a H2 and you just steam roll everything.
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tfw my Lana uses Darth Marr's lightsaber
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>>121492917
I'll be more than happy to trade voice acting in for more text and replies that don't replace "I'll do it" with "There will be no survivors"
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>>121492791
Dialogue wheel in a nutshell
>What the Dialogue wheel says: What's your name?
>What your character says: YOUR NAME. NOW
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>>121493273
>The NPC still responds the same way no matter what class said their line for "what's your name"
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>>121493513
They're probably just used to sith being dipshits.
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>>121493273
>What the Dialogue wheel says: [Glass him]
>What your character does: smashes his face in with a beer glass, putting him in the hospital and permanently scarring his face and your own hand beyond recognition
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>>121493720
>What the Dialogue wheel says : I'm sorry it had to come to this
>What your character says: Shit happens
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>>121492917
fuck off queer
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>>121493720
What else would you expect?
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>>121493868
It's true though. Do you think BioWare did that to make people who happen to like that system more happy?
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>>121494034
FUCK OFF
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>>121493720
>BH
>on Hutta
>some dude needs to get got
>beat him
>kill him
>fucking decapitate him
>give the head to his wife
god damn bioware that was brutal
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>>121494193
get got? What the fuck does that mean?
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>>121494193
>He didn't hear him out
>He didn't let him mess with Faathra's accounts and have him tranfer free credits to your
>He didn't kill him anyhow afterwards
Exploit, dude
Exploit
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>questing on my Shadow
>mob dies the moment I get 3 stacks of breaching shadows
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>>121493878
It's a joke from some foreigner playing through wolf among us and not understanding the terminology, he thought he meant to buy him a drink and he was trying to be nice and his character ended up smashing the dude in the face with a beer bottle
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>>121494193
I just did that quest too, in my cutscene I don't remember killing him, it looked like I just threw him on the floor and sawed his fucking head off with my knife while he was still alive.
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>>121494751
Just get some more levels, you can autobuild 3 stacks with the recklessness equivalent every time you use it and the CD gets reduced when exiting combat.
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>>121494685
it means getting murked breh
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My friend just started playing this game and hasn't really played an MMO before. He is too lazy to add new bars (just getting him to add a 2nd one because he ran out of room was a huge hassle) and definitely too lazy to bind all his abilities. How do I stop him from becoming a cancerous clicker?
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>kill Xalek
>report to the Voss girl
>You have gained 50 influence with Xalek
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>>121495286
murked?
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The best part about killing all my bounties isn't doing it, it's showing Mako that I did.
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Rage or vengeance for leveling?
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>>121495748
Don't you mean
>Your have gained
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>>121495748
>kill xalek
What?
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>>121495836
I didn't notice that before.
Fuck.
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>>121495836
>Your

retard
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>>121495998
Have you not read the text of any influence gain post 4.0?
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>>121495776
educate yourself senpaitachi
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>>121485018
>tfw when no Pureblood companion to romance
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>>121495939
You can kill Xalek.
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>>121495748
>not putting him in jail so he becomes a secret boss later

baka senpai
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>no purple crystals
is this shit serious?
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>you will never omnomnom Valkorion as Darth Nox.
I laughed pretty hard at him being a cheeky cunt when I mentioned I wanted to add him to my ghost collection and his reply was 'me too senpai'
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>>121496352
are you retarded
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>>121496240
I didn't want him so now he's gone forever.
It's perfect.
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>>121495748
>Killing Xalek after having gone through all the trouble to find him and deal with his rampage.
Seems wasteful not to take him in for reeducation at that point tbɦ
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>>121496226
I finished the first 9 chapters, when does that happen? Is it a star fortress thing? Havent done those yet.
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>>121496554
It's one of the recruitment quests. That voss girl gives you an alert in your alliance window after you've enlisted Yuun.
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What are you doing right now, /swgg/?

I just managed to write the first sentence of my fapfic, which is amazing considering how bad I am at following through at anything.
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>>121496534
As I've said, I didn't want him to be my apprentice in the first place and now I was allowed to dispose of him. Why the fuck should I miss that chance.
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>>121496534
Can't wait to shoot Lokin's stupid face after I get the cure from him next week.
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>>121496703
Playing Pokemon
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>>121496703
Being really annoyed and really bored.
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>>121496417
>cartel
>ops
oh ok
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>>121496703
playing with my penis
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>Achieve rank 10 influence with Qyzen by hunting world bosses and honorabru beasts on Hoth
>Play 20 warzones (wins count 2x!)
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>>121497030
Or just buy one from the GTN. They're not even that expensive.
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>>121497030
What are you on about dude
You can craft them and they are dirt cheap on the GTN you fucking idiot
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>>121478195
>dat Akk Dog
Fantastic.
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>>121497096
>save up all my credits, even skipping buying new skills
>scrimp and save, never repair armour, never buy or use stims or medpacks
>finally have enough credits to buy a purple lightsaber crystal
>ARTIFACT AUTHORIZATION REQUIRED TO EQUIP THIS ITEM
>mfw
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>>121497906
Just spend 5 dollars to get preferred dude
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>>121497096
>>121497302
What's the exact name I have to look for?
Where do I find the schematic and what's its exact name? do I need op materials?

All I can find are shit white/blue/black outline ones, and those from cartel.
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All right, Coruscant HK component done. Now several left.
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>>121498229
Preferred players can't use purples either.
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>>121497906
Give Bioware your money. F2P doesn't exist
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>>121496683
>yuun
What?
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>>121497532
I like how he's just chilling in the background, looking towards the camera. He knows he's fabulous.
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>>121497906
Just ask your mother for a few dollars to sub, you underaged, anime watching piece of human garbage.
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>>121498580
Press I and look at the top bro
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>>121498836
I could have sworn the original ones they asked me to recruit were a bunch of ugly ayyyyliums that I didnt recognize. Maybe i skipped over him
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>>121498315
search for like "purple crystal" on gtn

they're actually pretty rare i think. I think I can craft you a purple one but it's going to have +41 expertise.
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The fucks going on here? This is my only character.
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Biggest meme character?
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>>121499329
>expertise
>on a PvE server
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>>121499935
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>>121499935
HK-XX
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>>121499892
His edge is so strong he takes up two slots
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>>121499935
>>121500120
HK-55 is the biggest meme character
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>>121500120
Fuck off
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>go to stronghold after KotFE
>only holograms of companions left
>get on ship
>no one's there
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>>121500480
>Chapter X
>Koth gets on
>It's now his ship
>>
my rocket boost says 110% movement speed
But it feels much slower than my speeder that should, according to my speeder proficiency rank, only be at 90%

How come?
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>>121500480

>Glide into the endless void of space, all alone
>WHY DOES THIS HAPPEN TO ME I MADE MY MISTAKES
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>>121500610
Would it have been better if instead of finding the Graveston, they instead found the Ebon Hawk and it becomes your new ship?
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>>121500480
>So used to seeing everyone on the ship
>Vette in the engine room
>Jaesa in med
>Those other guys
>Come back after KotFE
>Everyone is gone
I never realised how empty the ship is
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>>121500480
>>121500859
where did they all go?
I dont wanna play through kotfe if they all disappear
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>>121500136
Eh, he's more normal-tier Sith in that regard
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KotFE really isn't that good so far.

Vitiate is fantastic, and every scene with him in it is a joy, but the rest is honestly pretty shit. Every new supporting character except Senya and SCORPIO is an overemotional, immature, unlikeable teenager in the body of an adult. They're mostly useless too, I have no reason to want Koth on my ship, especially not after picking up SCORPIO. Arcann is a standard ebul BBEG and Vajayjay is just so cuhraysy super strong evil sidekick with no further personality.

The conversational options are also really generalized and take much less into account than they used to, forcing my character to both act stupid and outside his personality.

Really, as far as story and roleplay goes, it's the worst one so far. It's about the same level as Dragon Age 2.
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>>121500993
KotFE takes place, uh, 10 years in the future I think?
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>>121500859

I agree. After awhile I missed the old crew. So much so that I used the terminal to unlock them.
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>>121501127
5.
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>>121501127
So what, they all died and now you'll forever be without companions in stronghold and ship?
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>>121500480
I was actually a bit sad. Pretty well done effect of returning to nothing after being out for years
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>>121501127
It's five years.

The only people left on ship are Treek and HK-51, which is kinda sad.
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>>121496880
Am I the only one who thinks that Lokin is lying about the whole rakghoul cancer thing and only wants the materials to do more shady shit?
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>>121501329
this is what i wanna know. im a loser and like to hang out on my ship. are my newly recruited companions (and old ones) going to hang out there anymore? or is focus being shifted to strongholds, or some location in the expac areas?
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>>121501306
>>121501362
Close enough

>>121501329
They're not all dead. I mean, you can kill some
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>>121501417
Lokin is not a good man. hes very intelligent, and has survived into old age. guy has safehouses on probably every planet.

it most definitely fits his character to do as you suggest.
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>>121501329
No, they left. Why would they stick around?
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>>121501071
i feel the same baka desu senpai

Vitiate is kotfe's Arishok. A decent written character standing amidst a mound of shit.
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>>121501923
That's retarded
Are you just trolling me?

I play through this whole game with a companion and they are just gone? What the fuck?
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>>121502067
Your boss vanishes, would you stick around for 5 fucking years?
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Just had a thought.

Khem Val has a spiritual/bond thing with you. Why the fuck doesn't he come rescue you. Especially since you've probably been feeding him force users constantly as Darth Nox.
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>>121502067
You recruit them again throughout kotfe you fucking retarded faggot
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>>121502167

Because he's shit and doesn't know how
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>>121502067
Dude, it's 5 years in the future, not the span of a week
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>>121502335
Khem Val is literally the best companion in the game.
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>>121502167
Why wouldn't Nox be able to contact his goddamn fleet?
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>>121502634
Rescuing someone is still not something I see him do ever
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>kaliyo was literally part of a pirate crew called "the edge brigade"
jesus christ bioware
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>>121502067
>>121501565

After KotFE companions are slowly being added back into the main game through the alliance system. It also means you'll be able to use any companion with any character.

So far here are the companions which have either returned or their VA has recorded lines for KotFE

Jedi Knight
>Kira Carson (recorded lines)
>T7 (recruited through main story)

Jedi Consular
>Lt. Iresso (recorded lines)
>Qyzen Fess (recruited through alliance alerts)

Republic Trooper
>Aric Jorgan (recorded lines)
>Yuun (recruited through alliance alerts)
>M1-4X (recruited through alliance alerts)(republic only)
>Tanno Vik (appeared but not recruitable)(killable)

Smuggler
>Corso Riggs (recorded lines)

Sith Warrior
>Vette (recorded lines)
>Lt. Pierce (recruited through alliance alerts)(empire only)

Sith Inquisitor
>Andronikus Revel (recorded lines)
>Xalek (recruited through alliance alerts)(killable)
>Talos Drellik (recruited through alliance alerts)

Bounty Hunter
>Mako (recorded lines)

Imperial Agent
>Kaliyo Djannis (confirmed in Chapter X preview)
>Scorpio (recruited through main story)
>Lokin (recruited through alliance alerts)

The ship droids are also recruitable. It can also be more or less confirmed that all non-basic speaking companions will be making a return at some point.
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Alright, let's settle this once and for all. Mandatory poll, your posting privilegies WILL be revoked if you do not vote.

http://strawpoll.me/5938141
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>>121503224
>Corso
>Jorgan
They better let me kill them.
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>>121503442
I can understand Corso, but why Jorgan?
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>>121503224
Shame Qyzen and Lokin take a soul crushing grind to get though.
I wanted my ole huntlizard back on my Consular but fuck hunting shit.
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>>121503442
At least Jorgan could theoretically come back leading the survivors of the Deadeyes
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>>121503224
Should also add that Bowdaar has also pretty much been confirmed as an alliance recruit this January.
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>>121503224
thanks for the lengthy reply.

seems like you cant pick and choose from every potential companion, to put together your ideal all-star cast, as it were. you can only pick from a few that are chosen for you.

perhaps my expectations were too high.
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>>121503442
Corso I understand, but why Jorgan?
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what do you think mirialan cuisine tastes like?
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>>121503613
He just joins up right away if you are playing Consular
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>>121503429
my friend, you left out Cocksleeve. i'm afraid you'll need to remake the poll.
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>>121503721
Because he's a whiny fucking bitch.
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>>121503746
salty pennies
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>>121503864
But Smuggler is there, look again.
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>>121503613
>Letg outpost
>go up the hill until you reach the blizzard zone
>do laps around the hill
>find 20 targets in under an hour
wow so hard.
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>>121503824
But I told him that I got caught and he wants me to fix my score.
Should I reset it and lie to him?
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>>121503613
Qyzen takes about 30 minutes if you hunt world bosses and Lokin is actually not that hard if you stocked up on Jawa Scrap, it's just the Rakghoul tunnel thing that's making it hard.

>>121503824
If you're character has previously known the companion, you can skip their mission and recruit them straight away. Except for Xalek who you find at the end of the mission anyway and Yuun who is basically the tutorial companion for the alliance alerts system.
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>>121503932
That's what I main! this is great news.
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>>121503960
I truly, honestly can't be arsed to do that.
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>>121503224
>No Elara
Tell me when I can use best girl with my IA and I'll stop complaining.
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>>121503224
>That sad letter Vette sends you
I hope she cries and hugs you when the two of you meet up
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>>121503638
>Bowdaar with my Bounty Hunter

please be telling the fucking truth, Anon
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>>121504213
then shut up
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>>121504397
Nah.
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>>121504324
There is evidence in the file suggesting that there is a wookie companion returning in January.

It's almost certain to be Bowdaar but it could possibly be Jakarro.
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>>121504542
Please no.

Not the meme monkey based off of ONE scene in ESB.
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>>121503879
he gets a bit less whiny later on, but his quests have you go to ass-end nowhere for no good reason
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>>121504679
Seeing how important Theron and Lana are? Probably
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>>121503960
>>find 20 targets in under an hour

you must be on the dedest server in the game if there aren't 20 other people camping those shits.
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>>121504794
I don't care what he gets, I replaced him with a fucking Ewok right away.
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>>121504859
Could Bioware please stop loving memes so much? None of their good OCs are fun.
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>>121504679
>>121504542

What if it's the Huntsmaster?
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>>121504971
Anal Kenobi is fun at times.
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>>121504971
>none of their good OCs

None of their new OCs
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>>121505067
>implying Bioware even remembers him
>>
best species to masturbate to?
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>>121504971
>not using the Ithorian Jedi
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>>121505336

>not using Nautolan Sith academy dropout
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>>121505290
Nautolan
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>>121505290
Twi'lek
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>>121505419
Who?
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>>121505336
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>>121505528

the Nar Shadaa alliance contact
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>>121505336
>>121505558
>tfw no playable Ithorian

I remember being an Ithorian dark Jedi in SWG

Fun times
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Is there a single sith stronger than Lord Vitiate?
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>>121505682

I think you mean

>tfw no playable droids
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>>121505716
Tulak Hord
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>>121505883
Khem Val Leave
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>all these things you're forced to say in kotfe
>where your character automatically acts sympathetic and truly cares for his companions

I'm a fucking Sith Lord
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>>121505953
>he doesnt know the ancient sith were absurdly powerful beyond any standards of today
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>>121506160
>today
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>>121506160
That's bullshit, Kreia's just a history nerd that conjured up a headcanon
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>>121506106
>want to say no I wont kneel because im no ones bitch
>HURRR VALKORION WHY U SO MEAN AND ENSLAVE PEOPLE
Dude what.
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>>121506106
Well I do care about Senya, Lana, SCORPIO, T7 and Theron, they're very useful.
Rest can go eat a cock.
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>>121506373

this desu senpai baka
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>>121506373
>Don't kneel but want to be diplomatic jedi
>HURR, I JAM LIGHTSABER THROUGH HIS BACK
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>>121506453
>Theron
>very useful

Remember in SoR when Theron said Lana was a better hacker than him? At that point he became utterly worthless. What does he really bring to the table?
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>>121506373
>Heskal calls me out on having Vitiate in my head
>only options are to agree
>can't say that he's a lunatic who relies too heavily on obscure visions

My character had a forced personality change this expansion because of the shitty selection of options.
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>>121506653
Lana isn't a better hacker than him though. She was using tools that Theron had made.
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>>121506453
Senya is super fucking obnoxious.

I donno what it is, I can just hear her writer jerking him/herself off whenever she speaks.
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>>121506653
SIS contacts and intel Lana doesn't have access to. Their spy networks supplement each other.
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>>121506673
But anon you're not playing your character


You're playing BIOWARE's character. Now pleas buy another subscription!
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>>121506775

No, there's a part where she slices through a billion layers of encryption or something and he said even he wouldn't have been able to pull that off.
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>>121506802
Yes, she is extremely annoying at times but she's useful.
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>>121506927
I'm pretty sure that's not how it happened. Theron is the one who does all the slicing throughout the story and the only time I remember Lana slicing is when Theron gets caught and she mentions using his tools.
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>>121506802
>>121507043

I really don't see it. What's obnoxious about her?
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>>121507123
I just played through SoR the other day, it happened m8
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>>121506653
>Koth is an annoying faggot who starts pointless arguments, kills morale and doesn't respect authority, and his only redeeming quality is being a decent pilot
>your character is proven to be a better pilot than him the first thing that happens
>SCORPIO is also a better pilot

>still have to keep Koth on the team
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>>121507187
She has her moments. Like that whole singing thing is cute but can feel off or as if they're overusing it I suppose.
I like her though.
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>>121507415
>Like that whole singing thing is cute but can feel off or as if they're overusing it

didn't she only sing once?
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>>121507394
I actually started openly disliking him when he called Gravestone "his ship", and then snapped and started wishing I could just space him after he told me his sob story of how Senya mercilessly pursued him.
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>senya reveals her secret
>battle of endor theme starts playing
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>>121504873
Nobody else goes up there because they assume the snow is an exhaustion zone.
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>>121507593
I started actively disliking him when he laid claims to the ship.

Started hating him when he started an argument about Valkorion being a better emperor than Arcann for no reason, got shot the fuck down by Lanas intel on the planet eating, and told by Senya that he only knew the squeaky clean PR side of Valkorion, which he tried to dismiss as a sex joke just so that he didn't have to lose a pointless fucking argument that he started in the first place.

Koth is Carth tier.
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>>121507394

Koth is a faggot but "respect for authority" is what leads to bullshit like secret kill lists and the NSA spying on everyone. The more power someone has the more that power should be challenged.
>>
So i was looking into SWTOR Unleashed to improve my framerate, but I saw that the thread about it had its posts removed.
Will I get banned for using it?

Are there better alternatives that aren't "Lower all the settings"? This computer can run games that should be more intensive than SWTOR at a faster fps, so Im just trying to figure something out. I don't want the game to look like total ass in exchange for FPS.
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>>121508138
You have Lana and Theron who do that. And they do that in a sensible way.
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>>121508138
Respect for authority doesn't mean blind obedience of everything your superior tells you, it means not being a giant cunt who pulls shit like saying that the legendary warship the entire group just busted their asses retrieving and getting to function belongs to him personally, when he's nowhere close to some form of leadership position within the group, right after a daring rescue to save someone to take command.
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>kinda tempted to get fallout even though I'll hate it
>enjoying tor to much to play it
Who knew ea could save me money
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I hear people say LS warrior is good, is this true? And if so, is LS Jaesa alright? I've seen her as DS before and shes way too stupid evil...
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>>121508713
>I'll hate it
Why onii-chan? Why?
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkW2Q7nlhkM

Man, up until 1:48, that is what I expected from the Inquisitor. Sinister, manipulative and cunning. That whole segment shows the potential of what could've been, with Ashara especially, but also as the whole story instead of searching artifacts like brave archeologist and then become a ghost buster.
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>>121508768
Warrior is best played pragmatic/intelligent Imperial loyalist.
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>>121508851
Because it always happens with more than 15 hours of play in a bethesda game, doubly so if you have any attachment to the series
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>>121508851
No reason.
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>>121509007
[HATE DIALOGUE WHEELS]
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>>121509007
"HATE NEWSPAPERS"
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>>121477578
So was the implication in that scene that the laser sword he got was just a joke ghetto piece of shit or that Brock was just 2tuff.
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>>121509185

Yes.
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>>121507593
>deserter gets mad for a knight doing her job
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>>121492429
What's annoying is that, even if you want to spend extra credits on convenience, there generally aren't enough gifts on the GTN to get you very far. The companion gift missions yield too few gifts to be more than a drop in the bucket. Want to get from 20 to 30 with grade 4 greens? That'll take 378 of them, loved gifts only. 30 to 40? 700.

And that's all you'd be paying for anyway, convenience. If you extrapolate the value of other gifts using the same credits-per-influence ratio as grade 1 green gifts at subscriber vendor price (in others words, ignoring the convenience value), then
at rank 20, green gifts at grades 3 4 and 5 are worth 606, 800, and 1006 credits.
at rank 30, green gifts at grades 3 4 and 5 are worth 825, 1250, and 1650 credits.
at 40 the metric falls apart because grade 1 gifts no longer give influence, but still, it gives a decent general idea.

These are terrible values. Grade 5 bountiful gift mission (generally the most efficient, by my math) cost 1790 to 1835 credits. At first glance, it looks like you're getting over twice that cost back at the higher tiers. Except you're cluttering up your inventory with gifts (ten gifts per quality, so you can reduce the load by paying more for rich missions), and most of the gifts you get aren't the ones you're after. It'd be fine if you could trade directly for the ones you do want, or sell the chaff and buy the ones you want with only a small loss. But the prices vary so much, and people need so many gifts, that most folks just go with the simpler option of 200 credit ones, followed by basic comm / common crystal bought gifts. Which results in a lower perceived value on the GTN in general, because of less demand. Especially junk like courting.
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I don't like Koth because he feels more like a character inserted to fufill some kind of obligation from a story writing manual. His character doesn't feel like it grew organically from events. Someone in a writers meeting was like "we need a character who can represent the average Zakuulan so the PC can empathize with the Zakuul against Arcann, and be a LS foil for Lana's DS pragmatism." It feels like they put him in because they need to fit certain requirements for the plot.

Bioware has been doing this a lot lately, they put in these characters who don't develop organically through gameplay, they're just kind of inserted because they fill some kind of management/executive/marketing mandate instead of being grown organically through adventures with the player character like classic bioware companions are known for. The thing that makes companions like Imoen, Deekin, Garrus, Canderous Ordo, so likeable is that the expostion of their personalities comes from adventuring with the character over time.

I mean look at that Lt. Vega guy from ME3. Someone from Bioware actually said "huh well ME3 is going to bring in a lot of new players who are just going to skip to the end of the series, so we better put in a character so they don't feel out of place about being new to the story". Like it's so fucking stupid. Koth didn't need to be put into the game. It's actually pottery how Bioware mimics Lucas in putting in these uneccessary characters to fufill certain personality types to make the story more compelling. Hey retards, how about instead of making multiple one dimensional characters, why not give complex emotional layers to existing characters? How about instead of Koth, YOU JUST PUT IN THERON WHO HAS ALREADY BEEN DOING KOTH'S ROLE MUCH BETTER THAN HIM FOR LIKE THE LAST TWO YEARS?!

On a personal note but fuck this Mary Sue ass Gravestone. Even though they stripped what little dignity KotoR had with SoR, they really should have found the Ebon Hawk on Zakuul somehow.
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Koth "Vitiate did nothing wrong" the shit pilot.
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>>121509891
>Imoen
>likeable

I see you haven't played BG since you were a kid.

Rest is accurate, though.
>>
does the consular/inquisitor story always assume you went ranged mage?
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>>121508713
>kinda tempted to get fallout
Just wait a year and get the Game of the Year edition. Much better bang for you buck, and more of the bugs and broken crap should be mostly fixed by that point as well. Only reason to get it now would be if you're a hardcore fan, gotten overly hyped for it regardless of its value, or expect to be playing through it many times in the next few years.
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>>121510331
Yes. You are gifted in the use of the force, not dueling with lightsabers. Except in the expansions where you're just a knight in a skirt.
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>>121510401
I always pirate their games at launch but pirating a 35g game (as every fucking new game is) is a real pain
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>>121508907
That was my original plan, mostly because I need the LS legacy stuff. But I can do it on a pub character. Still need to figure out which alignment I'll pick for Jaesa though if I go neutral.
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>>121509891
I really hope they get their writing figured out eventually, but they probably won't.
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>>121510331
Inquis has a plot about an ancient lightsaber
Con makes more sense if you're a shadow outside of act 1
Act 1 fits sage better
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This armor, it looks familiar but I can't pinpoint the exact name. I like it because it's so simple.

I need to know what the name is
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>>121509891
Also Theron was in the perfect position to do that because he was forcibly retired from the SIS.
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>find a way to stop a crier droid
I'm Sith, I have a lightsaber and his legs are twiggy.
Lightsaber.
Twiggy legs.
Sith who wants the information.
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>>121511208
>can't just zap it with lightning, even though you stop it by zapping it with electricity
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>>121510983
Troy Baker was probably more expensive than the one they hired for Koth
>>
how do star wars vehicles float?
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>>121511931
Repulsor lifts.
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>Standard gear changes appearance between Imp and Pub characters.
Well that was a surprise. That explains why some gear I looked up on that site didn't look the same on GTN for my character.
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>>121511931
Same way that TIE Fighters fly in atmosphere.
>>
Huh
Just saw a guy running around the Repblic Fleet with Marr following him.
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>>121510654
I think there's hope. I think the best part about Shadow of Revan is that finally the Republic and the Empire have likable and relatable contacts with the player character in Theron and Lana. I thought the voice actor for the wookie droid was really good and Shay Vezla is like the first neutral mandolorian you meet all game.

Like I understand the writer's dilemma about having to insert new characters from Zakuul into the player's party, but there's no reason to have Koth. He doesn't do anything that a different character could not do.

The worst part is how they think "oh well we need Koth to be a foil for Senya." NO. YOU DON'T. Senya is Zakuulan too and she is also disillusioned with Arcann's empire. He is not even a foil to her. That is my major complaint with Koth, he only exists to build tension between characters, he doesn't actually give any new exposition he just forcibly makes the story more dramatic.

The only redeeming factor is that he is "LS" but to acknowledge that is to acknowledge that Lana and Senya are one dimensional and predictable and that they're just DS and pragmatic while Koth is LS and idealisitc which is stupid because we know Lana is more than just "rah rah sith" and that Senya is already established to have different sides to her and an interesting backstory.
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>tfw playing all sorts of characters but always nitpicky about one thing or another, not sure what to main
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>>121512449
Lana's got fuck all to do with the empire or sith

They just rebranded a jedi character to save actually producing any imperial content
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>>121512449
I got so surprised when you said Theron and Lana after "likable and relatable contacts" rather than Marr and Satele.

Man I hated Theron and Lana. They got better in KotFE, though.
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>>121512731
Except Theron not changing into new clothes after 5 years.

Or his hairstyle.

Come on, Theron, even your mom did.
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>>121512817
He's clearly had those clothes and that hairstyle since he was 18.

Look at the guy.

Just can't let go. Getting old is hard, but damn.
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>>121512817
Only a Sith changes his clothes.
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>go pee after a cutscene
>come back to me standing there and some sage attacking me
>healer jaesa keeping me and herself alive
>sage too dumb to cc her
world pvp is ridiculous now with those companions.
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>literally an inventory and cargo hold full of fucking ice scrabbler jerky recipes

someone kill me
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>>121512670
iktf

>want to set the world on fire with azula but bh gear is so shit
>want to fight for freedumbs in the best looking armor but attack animations are dull
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>>121512670
I keep finishing chapter one on characters and then sort of losing interest in them
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>>121512817
I hate how some characters get new shit, but others don't.

Marr and Theron still have their old outfits while Lana and Shatelle get new stuff?

Shatelle hasn't even done anything yet, just stand back and watch. Why doesn't she go help the alliance? Im sure they could use it, but no, shes just gonna give commentary with Marr's ghost.
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>>121509891
Is this the ebin new copypasta?
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>>121512670
>>121513392
>>121513373
take some adderall or exercise some self-control, jesus christ
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>>121512731
Well we've had Marr and Satele forever and we never actually get to "know" them until SoR. Most of our contact is done through holo. Theron and Lana are atleast approachable and Theron is a republic character that isn't "we must spare everyone" and Lana isn't an imperial character who acts like "we must kill everyone". Both of them are pretty sensible, and instead of always being at odds with each other over morality like the majority of faction characters that interact with each other, the two of them tend to agree with each other more often then not instead of constantly fighting over whether to be homicidal or merciful.

>>121512696
I mean it's pretty obvious that when they started templating the characters they were like "ok guys we need the following"
>1 republic character, 1 empire character
>1 male bisexual, 1 female bisexual
>1 tech user, 1 force user

but atleast the characters evolved into more than just "rah rah jedi code rah rah sith code".
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>>121512670
i wanted to be a field medic trooper with a blaster pistol sort of like pre expac Dorne was like. decided to dress up a healy smuggler in heavier/tacticool armor instead. my head canon is that hes ex republic military who got discharged due to smuggling spice.

so far my autism in that regard has been kept in check. good luck to rest of you.
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>>121513328
>kill chapter boss
>schematic: ice scrabbler jerky
Until then I thought it was one guy forcing a meme
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>>121513661
here's your (You)
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>>121513275
Yeah, when I was getting Xalek on that one planet, some other dude tried to jump me, but my healer was so powerful that he couldn't kill me and for some reason wouldn't attack my healer. I killed his then another Imp player came along and helped me finish him off.
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>>121513828
Nigga I picked ten up speedrunning Voss' class story missions on my Guardian, it's that bad.
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>>121513661
Eh it's not a case of short attention span

At the end of chapter one every class has about a 3 mission lull before the story becomes something interesting again
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>>121514014
If you can't lose interest and can't exercise enough willpower to get through three short introductory missions that's pretty much the definition of a short attention span.
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>>121514143
You do realise that three missions in this game take as long to sit through as an entire film

A short attention span is not being able to maintain interest for more than 5 minutes
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>>121514143
you are correct. i say this as somebody who is very easily distracted, and cant be bothered to wait until fleet pass or personal shuttle stops casting to tab out.

i dislike using exp boosting items because i am so inefficient with my play time.
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>>121483592
What the fuck is up with the drop rate on this shit? I put in a bug report just to vent my frustration at someone.
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Threadly reminder that sixth line jedi are a thing, and apparently also canon now.
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>>121492391
>killing xalek
Literally dindu nuffin. I want that fucker Quinn's head on a pike to mount as a hood ornament on my ship.
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>>121515240
So? They are cool.
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>>121512696
>Lana
>Jedi

Do you spacebar everything? She has no problem using people as pawns and doesn't give a fuck about protecting individual lives. You could argue that she is morally "good" but she is still nowhere near the jedi.
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>>121512696
Lana is evil. Only cares about self preservation and murder.
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>>121515625
there is no reason to keep him alive. i didn't want that thing as my apprentice, and i wasn't allowed to tell harkun to take this shitshow and call me when he finds real apprentice material.
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>>121515960
I hope to christ you at least remember why you went and got a second apprentice.
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>>121515625
Xalek literally says he will kill you at the first chance he gets
>muh edgy code
It's retarded.
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>>121477962
i like your toon
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>>121478289
>he anime
>he self inserts as a woman
>he Plays the Role of a woman in a Game
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>>121509891
Canderous may have been a violent asshole murderer but his war stories were the best fuckin' shit
I thought I would hate him after the first time I met him, but once I got the chance to talk to him for more than 2 minutes I just couldn't.
Bao-Dur was shit and boring though; it felt like he was just there to explain BAD THINGS HAPPENED TO US ON MALACHOR 5 which I kind of already gathered. I don't remember him growing or changing or doing anything really for like the entire storyline.
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>>121509891
>Ebon Hawk
fuck off the smuggler ship is the same thing. Try something new faggot
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>>121516484
>self inserting
Disgusting
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>>121516565
>Spoilers
If you turned him into a Jedy/Sith he finally dealt with the Malachor baggage but it ultimately ended with "I'll always follow you, General."
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I can't use the Troy Baker Twi'lek. Is this like the Torian thing that people have been complaining about?
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such a cool guy
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>>121516134
the old ones died so I had to replace them. unfortunately harkun only had these defunct shits in stock so i had to make do with that.
but now i don't need it anymore because i can get better apprentices. so i guess i'll do like the other anon said and send what's left of xalek to harkun in a box and ask for a refund.
i don't think he'll give me one though, i suppose you can't get a refund for an apprentice you killed yourself.
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>>121509891
>Ebon Hawk

Ok niggers the Gravestone might be retarded as a plot device but fuck all this Ebon Hawk bullshit.

First off, the Ebon Hawk is only iconic for being a carbon copy of the Millennium Falcon. If you want another Ebon Hawk, guess what, Smuggler has one and so does Jakarro.

Second, the Ebon Hawk is not a warship. In KOTOR it was used because it's a fast smuggler ship and you needed to slip past a blockade. I don't know what kind of retarded headcanon you have that makes you think the Ebon Hawk could siglehandedly take on the Eternal Fleet but it's wrong.
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>>121492391
>killing xalek
Literally dindu nuffin. I want that fucker Quinn's head on a pike to mount as a hood ornament on my ship.
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>>121516153
Thats just the sith code.
He also says he plans to keep your legacy alive and look after your children.
He basically plans to help you become a god to his religion.
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>>121504316
Pls no ;-; I'm dreading losing her already and I'm only halfway through chapter 2 of vanilla tor
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>>121517009
Harkun,
I am sending you the head of that bony lizard you gave me as an apprentice. Apparently it went on a killing spree on Ilum, and also turned out to be weak as piss so I killed it.
You owe me a new apprentice, this one was quite possibly broken from the start.

Sincerely,
Darth Nox
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>>121516803
Yeah, I remember that much now. Still, he's just kind of there, really; Bao-Dur adds nothing much to the story beyond being a capable tech dude.
He still sounds way, way less offensive than Koth, though. I think I'd much prefer someone blandly inoffensive like Bao-Dur than an unrighteous asshole mouthing off all the fucking time.

>>121517280
I haven't really interacted with Xalek much yet but aside from being a TRUE BELIEVER in all the Sith bullshit, which could presumably rub people the wrong way, he seems like a pretty interesting dude actually.
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>>121517009
The point was to get a traditional apprentice from Korriban as a posturing tool
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>>121516967
looks like shit
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>>121516153

>Do the alliance quest for Xalek as a sorc
>he says he never stopped serving you in your absence
>despite officially being named a Lord he steps down once again to be your apprentice
>there are people who think Xalek isn't best apprentice
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>mfw ebin hawk
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>>121517009
>not killing Harkun for giving you the rejects and then killing Xalek
Step up, but yes. However it was really to save face among the Lords since you can make a point about Ashara being your apprentice before you go back to Korriban.

It's a shame the girl apprentice has to die, she looked cute.
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>>121517490
but i don't need one anymore, yes?
i didn't need it since thanatos died.
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>>121516967
this guy got him beat
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>>121517464
Kinda a shame he doesn't have any real character growth. He has like 5 or 6 convos which are basically just "You are a good master, let me do something for you" (you can tell him to go off a rival, find an artifact, or get money) then "My dad is dead, let me go do his funeral"

And then thats basically it. Shame really, getting him so late in the story.
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>>121516219

That's not Sera, is it?
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>>121517407
That wouldn't work, since you can kill Harkun when you leave with Xalek.
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>>121517705
He has no ambition. Why keep a subdued monkey lizard like that.
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>>121516967

That mask and name would be pretty sweet if he actually wore a brown coat like Jason does
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>>121517789
You stopped needing one after you gut Thanatos, yes. >>121517280 and >>121517881 make good points that he could've been interesting if he was the last companion SI gets.
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>>121508138
I am Darth Fucking Nox. If he mouths off to me he deserves an electric current running through his veins. I cannot wait to murder him.
>tfw biowank makes him Quinn 2.0
I will throw a chair into the bioware offices
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>>121517705

He's like a sith puppy.

He just comes from really murderous culture, otherwise he'd be like male Nadia.
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>>121517978
>Why keep Khem around when begins to think you're the next Tulak Horde
Gee anon, I don't know. Outside of the fact that we literally have the longest time getting to know Khem, having a fanatically loyal guard dog or two might be useful since we're on the Dark Council.
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>>121517917
In this case it'll get sent to the new overseer.
I personally didn't kill Harkun because he now has to bow to me and is still a sad wanker dealing with shitty acolytes while I'm a Darth.
Much better than just killing him in an act of petty vengeance.
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>>121517978
>complain that he will betray you because muh sith code
>it's pointed out that he is actually as loyal as a sith can possibly be
>"lol no ambition what a shitter"
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>>121508138
>>121508548
>not blindly following orders
Sounds like someone needs to get force choked for insubordination.
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>>121517280
>Thats just the sith code.
Which is stupid
You want power yet you literally set up someone for the sole purpose of killing you at some point
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>>121518369
Which is the point of being a Sith, strengthening for the future.
Maybe you'd be better off as a Jedi.
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>>121517119
yeah cause having a warship that can destroy entire fleets by itself is so much more compelling and better for a bunch of fugitives on the run than a smuggling freighter.

Like it doesn't even need to be the Ebon Hawk, any fucking ship would have done better than this Gravestone, which from now on everyone should call "The Mary Sue" because that's literally what it is.
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>>121517409
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>>121518369
If you're powerful enough they will never be able to kill you though :^)
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>>121518369
If they can kill you, they're stronger than you. If each new apprentice is strong enough to kill their master, the Sith Empire grows in strength. That's the basic idea of the relationship.
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>>121518295
Khem is a Dashade assassin, conditioned to be a Sith Lord's servant. He eventually deems you worthy and stops being a tsundere slave. In his line of work there is no room for ambition.
Xalek had five fucking years to do something with his life, and he just became a Lord, mostly because all proper Lords were killed during Zakuul's conquests. And then he wants to step down from that and be your bitch again.
Worthless and better off dead. Actually just killing him is an act of mercy.
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>>121517881
He kind of suffers from Legion syndrome in a way; he's an interesting character who's possibly even going to turn out to be antagonistic towards you, but you never really get the time to explore it and figure him out because oh well shit now the game's over.

Then they totally beef him in the next game by trying to make him likeable by giving him a horrendously shitty overly tragic backstory when he was already a sympathetic character. Eugh.
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>>121518558
Yeah I said in the first fucking sentence that the gravestone is a shitty plot device but literally the only ship that would have been even worse than the gravestone is the Ebon fucking Hawk
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>>121518570
>If they can kill you, they're stronger than you.
Unless you're fighting off 12 Jedi and your shit tier apprentice takes that chance to blow up your ship
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Why all the talk about MUH DESTINY?
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>>121517409
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>>121518824
Revan go back to sleep, we get it Malak was a shitter. Everyone knows he's a shitter.
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>>121518853
So you can defy it in KotFE finale.
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>>121517885
it is
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>>121518824
Well thats the problem with the Sith code, is that many sith follow the letter of the code, not the spirit.
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>>121518853
Because they're in cahoots with Bungle and want you to play both.
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>>121518824
>2015
>Revan still butthurt about this
Calm the fuck down, faggot. You see a chance, you take the shot.
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>>121518824
Outplayed.
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>>121518824
Sounds like a fair trade: the apprentice gets promotion, the master and the jedi get to die. Win win.
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>>121519038

At least post THE dragon age lips. . .
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>>121518914
haha...
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>>121518960
>shitter
well guess who didn't get blown up with his ship.
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>>121518853
I don't think Bioware can write anything anymore other than
BIG BAD EVIL
DESTINY
JK YOU BROKE DESTINY BUT AT A PRICE
anymore
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>>121519371
>dragon age
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Is all the spaceship stuff multiplayer?
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>>121517715
Thanks Doc.

On a side note, I avoid the fleet like the plague. There are ALWAYS some faggot ass RPers doing custom emotes near the cantina and cargo holds.
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>>121519504
You missed a "badly" there.
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>tfw no option to stop playing the game and just become Dark Council Enforcers.

Is it because I sided with Tormen?
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>>121517715
IGN?
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>>121519728
>GSF
Don't bother. Unless you played from the beginning there's literally no chance for you to do anything there but feed the other players who have all maxed out ships.

>Space Missions
The only reason to do this is to get rep with your Fleet for the Hyperspace Ace armour set. Pic related.
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>>121519810
You can stop playing the game at any moment.
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>>121519810

>being a bounty hunter
>not wanting to be free and answer to no one
>actually choosing to be a Sith lapdog

The good news is KotFE was writtem with people like you in mind
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>>121519604
All BioWare games are the same with a different skin anon
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>>121519810
No, she says that if you killed him.

I don't think killing him ever gets traced back to you. If it did, you'd be fucked.
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>>121520204
Some at least have traces of decent storytelling left in them and actually enjoyable gameplay.
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So, to clarify, if you were to rip the mods out of an orange you get on, say, Coruscant or Dromund Kass, would they be statistically identical to something you get in the 60s?
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>>121519728
>>121520038
And the Pub version if you're some sort of furry queer who loves thick wookie dicks in your anus.
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>>121520341
>Some at least have traces of decent storytelling left in them

Heh.

>and actually enjoyable gameplay.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
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>>121520405
No, the Coruscant/DK mods would be much, much weaker and have less different stats.
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>>121520341
I thought Origins was pretty decent
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>>121520038
Cheers, I wasn't sure if GSF and the missions were different things
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>>121520406
>tfw forgot to attach pic
Fucking timers. If NuMoot wanted to get on our good side he should change /vg/'s timers so they're more like /m/'s.
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>>121520405
If you rip the mods out of a sixty and put them in the DK/Coru oranges, yes.
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>>121520517
Mass Effect was fun to shoot through, anon. And Origins had somewhat interesting story.
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>>121520405
>mfw I read that as "I will check 'em"
>mfw posting from phone so no face
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>>121520621
>tfw still can't post quickly enough to cover any kind of live event
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>>121520405
>>121520641
>tfw that's almost literally what I've been doing since like 5 years ago
I'm saddened that Heroics don't give orange gears anymore.
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>>121520541
Origins was decent.
Inquisition on the other hand...
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Is there a flashpoint I can run a few times to grind XP and skip planet missions? I'm so sick of planet missions I'd rather just mow down enemies in a flashpoint.
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>>121520864
I honestly don't know where the fuck to get most gear models now
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>>121520903
You can skip some planet missions anyway, even as a f2p non pref

If you run heroics you can skip almost all of them
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>>121520708
How old is Origins? Like 6 years ago? And mass effect is even older. That isn't today's bioware.
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>>121520957
GTN or crates from doing alliance missions. But they have like weird names liek Reforged Combined Vanguard Battler's Retrofitted NuWave Hipster Sentinel's Dedicated Reserve Headgear
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>>121520541
I didn't mind Origins. It suffered from it's own hubris though; the whole differing storylines based on race and gender was a really neat idea but unfortunately what it actually meant was everyone has a really interesting start to the game and then it just nosedives into mediocrity and all the differences essentially vanish for 90% of the game. Also they have to jump through countless godawful hoops to keep you on the same story path as everyone else, such as not being able to become the king of the dwarves yourself 'just because'.

I have to give Origins credit for trying to be a new IP with it's own mythology and lore though. It could have just been another reboot or remake or rebranding but they tried something new at least.

>>121520882
>People actually defend that game
Seriously, I do not understand how you can. It is horrendous. Like, utterly atrocious. I think it's honestly the worst fucking game I've ever seen. And I've played Mass Effect 3.
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>>121516967
Too bad there's no crowbar wielding class.
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>>121520708
Origins has good, I dont know if it was the intention but it was a nice homage to fantasy shit
BW will never make a game like that again

Sequels were absolute garbage
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>>121521216
Yeah there is, Jug.
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>>121518783
Yeah but your whole argument is retarded because literally everything in Star Wars is, as you call it "a copy", of something else. And the Ebon Hawk isn't anything like the Smuggler's ship. The Smuggler's ship doesn't have a history or a personality. The Ebon Hawk is literally KotoR's ship of destiny ever since it reappeared carrying The Exile in KotoR 2. It's the most iconic piece of KotoR imagery along with Revan and T3 and Hk-47. I'm thinking if you're going to use Revan and HK, hell you might as well bring in the Ebon Hawk and see how it goes.
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>got tier 1 unoptimized pvp gear
>got forex to 50 influence
>decide to do ilum story
>solo the both ilum flashpoints
>with heroic moment it's less stressful and faster than grouping up
Companions are really OP. As long they don't bug out they can tank a shitton of damage.
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>>121521216
Jugs animations are like beating someone with a pipe
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>>121521298
>JUST THROW IN MORE FANSERVICE IT WILL WORK EVENTUALLY
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>>121521298
The Ebn Hawk is literally the same ship the smuggler has. Shut up. And Star wars is mostly made up of existing ideas but few things are an exact carbon copy like the Ebon Hawk is.

>KOTOR's ship of destiny

Fucking kill yourself, Koth
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>>121521458
I mean, from a sales perspective, yeah
The amount of 'omg kotor references' reviews that have come out since sor/ kotfe has been hilarious
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>>121521032
Heroics? I'm fairly new but a sub and usually I find that I'm at the right level after doing planet missions, I would definitely fall behind if not (I do tend to stealth past a lot of mobs though, I realise this is dumb since I want to kill mobs in a flashpoint).
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>>121521458
You're still arguing that a callback to past games is somehow worse than the ship being a deus ex machina
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>>121521915
I'm a different poster and yes Gravstone is Crucible shit, but making the Ebon Hawk the deus ex machina is even more retarded
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>>121521879
And ironically each one makes kotor less significant to the story
>>121521907
Weekly missions, the symbol is the yellow quest symbol but with arrows on it. Terminal for them near each planet's spaceport

They're instances, like flashpoints but shorter and less story. Since 4.0 it's easy to solo them

You get a box of gear and a shittone of xp for each one you finish
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>>121521847
>The Ebn Hawk is literally the same ship the smuggler has

Now you're just being stupid.
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>>121521915
That guy isn't me. My newest reply is >>121521847

>You're still arguing that a callback to past games is somehow worse than the ship being a deus ex machina

The Ebon Hawk would be just as much of a Deus Ex Machina but with the added bonus being that there is nothing special about the ship except being "pretty fast" so its deus ex machina status wouldn't even have a half-assed explanation.
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>>121521195

>Seriously, I do not understand how you can
You don't know the power of waifuism
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>>121522242
That sounds good, thanks anon.
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>>121520492
>le brother and sister twist
bravo jewjew
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>>121521458
It's not just about fan service, it's about continuing a story. MMOs inspired by source material should continue the legacy of what the source material started. Granted that they completely screwed up Revan and sort of dumpstered HK-47, doesn't mean that having the Ebon Hawk return wouldn't be compelling or even fit the story better.

Because if the gravestone was put in because
>they needed a ship to escape Zakuul
>it had to be a ship of destiny
>it has to be a ship with history

The Ebon Hawk does all that without having the stupid option of being a "press button to win war" ship. it's also in the spirit of KotoR. You only need to hear the Ebon Hawk's name and you know everything about the history of the ship and what it can do. You don't need to waste exposition or tell some elaborate story to get you hyped about it. Everything is already there, you only to add the new layers.
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>>121521915
Yes, because inserting Ebin Hawk is pointless while they had to write something in that works as a demonstration that you mean business and can get shit done (so you can actually find people for the alliance) and something that forces Arcann and Vagina to make a move (by being an actual threat to Zakuul).
Ebin Hawk can fill neither of these roles and is just a bigass HEY LOOK GUYS, IT'S THE SHIP FROM KOTOR! REMEMBER KOTOR? YOU LOVED KOTOR! SO WE GAVE YOU A SHIP FROM KOTOR! sign.
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>>121522242
I know, but I'm just playing devil's advocate
I wish they'd leave Kotor 2 the fuck alone instead of butchering it anymore
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>>121521907
Heroics are harder than average quests on planets, usually designed to be done with a small group.
You can solo them now easily because companions are absolutely ridiculous, and they give really solid rewards (generally a huge chunk of EXP, some data crystals and a lockbox with two pieces of blue gear for your level in it). You can find them out in the world, but it's generally much easier to just grab them all from the mission terminals near each planet's spaceport.

It's really worth doing heroics at least occasionally: The gear you get is really good for the level you get it at, and it's also pretty nice looking. Most if not all of my gear right now is from Heroics.

>>121522440
I guess not. I just don't know how you can waifu anyone in that game, they're all horrible cartoonish non-people.
Yes, I'm aware of the irony here.
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>>121522521
>they needed a ship to escape Zakuul
Which the Ebon Hawk can't do because it won't slip past the Eternal Fleet.
>it had to be a ship of destiny
Suck a dick, Koth.
>it has to be a ship with history
Nope.
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>Casually spamming shoulder rockets while bashing fags
I love this shit. It also raised my damage in PvP by onegodzillion
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>>121522521

The Ebon Hawk is not a special snowflake Ship of Destiny you inbred faggot. It is just a pretty fast smugglng ship just like the one smuggler has. Hell, agent's ship is probably better in every way.
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>>121521458
This
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>>121522635
People REALLY liked Morrigan's tsun / femme fatal / strong lady but mommy issues personality and god damn those lips man i mean jesus christ
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>>121522635
I thought using adaptive armor with modifications every 10 levels or so was the way to go.
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>>121522861
I think he meant DA:I. The companions in that game are all ugly and terribly written.
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>>121522521
and which fucking layer makes the ebon hawk stealthy or tanky enough to actually escape zakuul?
is there also a layer that makes it blow the blockade the fuck out? because there was no other way of leaving zakuul without arcann fucking you up.

and if they toned down the eternal fleet's firepower and size, you'd be here bitching that it's impossible for zakuul to fuck over both the republic and the empire.
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>>121520530
>>121520641
>>121520864
Well, these results were inconclusive. If any clearing-up was needed, I meant the orange equipment itself, not the mods.
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>>121522585
Because you're not making an alient.

Blueberry, apple or twi'lek are your only options.
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>>121522585
Why does it even matter? Wear a helmet
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>>121522968
That was pre leveling overhaul, they give gear out like candy now to the point where you don't need to go back to fleet to replace mods every other planet
>>121523001
Oh.
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>>121523001
The entire game is terrible and manages to have worse and more boring gameplay than most MMO's.
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>>121522861

She's my one true waifu and the only reason I made it through DA:I 2bh fám and she's not even a companion
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>>121522968
No the new paradigm is solo the heroics every other planet for a full set of blues because you will level fuckfast. I'm fucking 47 and only just starting hoth.

I do use orange sabers so I can keep the same weapon throughout the game. And if you want you can do the same with your outfit using the outfit tab.
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>>121523292
>not Scout Harding
Buddy, I...
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>leave KoTFE while Marr is a companion
>adventure across the galaxy with Chocolate Grandpa 5ever
this is true joy
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>>121522792
The Ebon Hawk has proven itself to outrun fleets in the past just like it outran Malak's fleet on Taris. And it's a smuggling ship, their entire job is breaking blockades, outrunning ships and slipping past things with minimal detection. And if you're going to replace the Gravestone, then you need to replace the things that the writers have decided are what make it special. And those things are ship of history/destiny. And if you are going to use a ship that has continuously appeared through KotoR's history in troubled times and also a ship with history, there's no better fit than the Ebon Hawk.

>>121522792
>I DON'T LIKE THE WORD DESTINY IN A SERIES WHERE EVENTS ARE PREORDAINED/GUIDED BY THE FORCE.

Get over it dude. Your hate for the word destiny is from whatever grudge you have against Koth. The Ebon Hawk isn't about just about destiny it's about continuing a legacy from past stories, it's about building the story of a ship with a long history that's connected to the story.
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>>121522861
Morrigan's fine tho, she's from Origins. Even if she is a bit of a pain in the ass, at least she has a reason for it rather than just being obnoxious for the sake of it.
I waifu'd Morrigan. Went after her even though she told me not to, too.
I like strong girls with a vulnerable side, which is why Visas Marr is my waifu infinitely forever.

>>121523001
Correct.

>>121522968
Pretty sure the stuff you get from the Heroic crates is adaptive, isn't it? Either way, I've been doing fine. I doubt my gear is pro-tier raider quality or anything but that's alright because I don't give a shit, I'm just here to be arousingly smug at people in conversations.

>>121523190
Yeah, it's kind of amazing. It's very dull and uninteresting to watch, and I can't imagine it's that much more fun to play either. At least in SWTOR I get to fling lightning everywhere and scream about unlimited power all the time.

It's not even like you can't do the 'singleplayer MMO' thing and still have it be fun because that's what Xenoblade Chronicles was and people fucking loved that game. Admittedly some of that was probably due to the amazing British voice actors but still.
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>>121522521
The ebin meme is also related to Revan, which is more than enough reason to not include it, because honestly fuck Revan.
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>Kaliyo talking about her time as an edgelord

oh this is too rich
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>>121523626
>It's not even like you can't do the 'singleplayer MMO' thing and still have it be fun because that's what Xenoblade Chronicles was and people fucking loved that game. Admittedly some of that was probably due to the amazing British voice actors but still.
And the fact that it's Nip gives it a free pass. Japanese developers get away with so much stuff that people would be howling over if Western devs did it.
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>>121523016
Why would the Ebon Hawk have to tank anything? Just cut that bullshit about powering thrusters and charging the ship's cannon and cut straight to the scene where it copies the Millenium Falcon's escape from tatooine.

done. Again you're just supporting that the writers add more and morre things to the story to make it complex, when really they can do more with a lot less.
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>>121522585
I'm pretty happy with my Cathar, if only because their perpetual glare matches the grumpy attitude the female VA constantly
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>>121523572
Yes, and you're going to do that with the most powerful fleet in the known galaxy which is also equipped with insanely advanced sensors, on the lookout for specifically YOU. And entire colossal fleet of insanely powerful ships is looking for YOU specifically. And you plan to dodge it in a beat up outdated ship you hastily repaired while laying low from the pursuit.
If you make Gravestone's firepower not needed, you fucking dismantle the entire "Zakuul fucks up Core Worlds and the Empire" thing which is the reason you're even there and which is the reason why people across the galaxy want to help you take Zakuul out.

Are your parents related?
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>>121523965
The power of waifus desu
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>>121523024
That's what we're saying.

The orange gear is just a shell. The mods inside are what matter.

Strip the mods out of an orange equipment from Coru/DK/Nar Shaadick/Where The Fuck Ever and replace them with level appropriate ones.

Actually, you don't even need to remove the mods from orange equips. Just slot in the mods directly and they automagically replace the old outdated mods.
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>>121523572
No it's stupid.
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>>121523572
Two very important and special people used the Ebon Hawk. That does not make the Ebon Hawk important or special. What you're doing is equivalent to saying that you could kill Arcann if you just had Vitiate's lightsaber.

Could the ebon hawk escape Zakuul? Maybe. Probably. Could it strike a huge blow against Arcann's fleet and give the alliance somethng to rally behind? No.
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>>121524328
To be honest, when HK started detecting weird shit in the swamp I totally expected the Ebon Hawk to be around the corner.
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>>121524006
Because it's not a fleet of 100 ships. It's a giant fucking fleet of thousands upon thousands of ships, all engaging you with their main cannons and assault craft. And unless you want to ram right into one of those ships' mass shadow you will have to wait for the hyperdrive computer to find you a way out. Which might just as well not even be there.
Arcann knows you ran away, he is searching for you and the fleet isn't just hanging out around Zakuul, it's looking out for specifically you. Zakuul has no outbound transports and no small starship traffic, so it's pretty easy to notice something took off.

And the ship you found was almost derelic, being there for 100+ years or so. So now you're escaping a giant fucking fleet with a broken ass tiny ship.
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>>121520882
>>121521195
I thought Inquisition was pretty bad but it was a step back in the right direction from DA2 and ME3.
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The real solution here is to improve the writing to the point where a flying plot device isn't needed
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>>121523041
>tfw f2p
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>>121524672
>I thought Inquisition was pretty bad but it was a step back in the right direction from DA2 and ME3.
This. The same way Skyrim was still a pretty shitty game but it was miles beyond Oblivion.

Bioware = Bethesda is a valid analogy now, time to end my life.
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>>121524673
And how do you do that, exactly?
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>>121524328
>Two very important and special people used the Ebon Hawk

Who, though? Neither Revan nor the Exile ultimately did anything useful. Their plan to stop the Sith? Complete failure. Preparing the Republic for the Empire's invasion? Complete failure. Stopping the Emperor? Complete failure.

And all that isn't even touching how KotfE basically skullrapes any possible relevance either one of these two ever had.
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>>121523024
All orange "gear", as in the actual armor you equip, has 0 stats or armor or anything associated with it. A level 1 orange item, without mods, is exactly the same as a level 65 orange item without mods. ALL the stats, armor rating, and weapon damage comes from mods, enhancements, armorings, hilts, or barrels.
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Is DA:I worth playing if I played the shit out of Origins? Since there's nothing more to do in swtor..
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>>121524885
Why the fuck would anyone want to wear a barrel.
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>>121524842
You know what? Let's go with this. The Ebon Hawk was never even uaed for anything that mattered and therefore it has no fucking destiny or anything. Its just a generic smuggling ship but from 300 years ago so most likely completely obsolete.
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>>121524804
>Skyrim miles beyond Oblivion.
No way, Oblivion had better characters, quests and somehow atmosphere
All Skyrim did better was the graphix, somewhat
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>enter ship after KotFE

>no droid greeting me

;_;
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>>121524939
May as well man, there is a ton of shit to grind out and do in it if you're a completionist or have some adderall handy. The actual main story is pretty short but pretty good in my opinion. It's kinda like a singleplayer MMO with a storyline and tons of side questing objectives to grind. Just like a certain other game I can think of...
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>>121524939
No. It's absolute garbage.
And if you actually do play it, for your own mental health don't make a Qunari.
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>>121524804
>This. The same way Skyrim was still a pretty shitty game but it was miles beyond Oblivion.
Please tell me you aren't referring to writing here
>>121524805
Well for a start you don't spring the BIGGEST ARMY EVER that was somehow ENTIRELY HIDDEN UNTIL NOW shit that kotfe uses for cheap tension

And if you do use that you provide an intelligent solution, not simply a case of the protagonists finding the one weapon that defeats it.
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>>121525218
>main story is pretty short but pretty good in my opinion
>DA:I main story
>good
No.
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I'm not going to lie, when people first started talking about 'The Gravestone' I thought they were talking about a literal actual gravestone and that your character + these new side characters I'd never heard of were at a funeral for someone and placing or removing the gravestone for them personally using your magical force powers.

I also thought that the expansion was divorced from your main character and took place somewhere/somewhen else, where you took on the role of a character based on your original character (i.e. a tough fighter type if you were a juggernaut or guardian, for example) and had to play a game of politics as a member of the royal family of this vast empire run by you and your fellow near-invincible force-powered relatives. At any time you could switch back and forth between your normal and KotFE characters, even though they were completely different people.

I haven't played it myself yet but, uh... I think I might have accidentally imagined something more interesting than what we actually got.

>>121524672
Ffffffffffffor a given value, yeah, sure, I'll give you that one. It's complete dogshit as a game but at least they seemed to be learning from their mistakes and didn't try to make DA2 again, even if they then made a whole new bunch of mistakes which were just fucking awful.
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>>121525424
>Please tell me you aren't referring to writing here
Tone mostly, that's all I play Bethesda games for.
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>>121524939
DA:I plays more like a fucking mmo than swtor

>>121525548
>I'm not going to lie, when people first started talking about 'The Gravestone' I thought they were talking about a literal actual gravestone and that your character + these new side characters I'd never heard of were at a funeral for someone and placing or removing the gravestone for them personally using your magical force powers.
It kinda is that

Bioware are SUBTLY telling everyone that the pc is going to "die" at the end of kotfe

Because they've never done that before
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>>121525258
>>121525447
>>121525548
I think people really exaggerate how bad DAI is. It's certainly mediocre but unless you're incredibly picky or autistic it's easy enough to get past its faults and enjoy your time with it.
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>>121524939
No. It is fucking atrocious. It is probably worse than Mass Effect 3. I have played ME3 and watched a friend play through DA:I. It is not fun. Do not buy it. If you ABSOLUTELY MUST play it just to give it a chance/see how terrible it is, try to pirate it. Do not buy it.
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>>121524885
>>121524109
Much obliged, lads/lasses. Friend of mine refused to believe that was how they worked. That said, I'm giving him multiple other sources too
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>>121525690
YOU GUYS READY FOR RED BLUE GREEN TOR?
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>>121525749
DA:I got let off at launch since the rpg market was pretty empty

Since then however an absolute shitload of superior games have come out of the genre.

Sure it wasn't "bad" at launch (just fucking boring) but there's no reason to play it now.

P.S. The combat is what killed it for me, so little impact to moves for action and no real strategy for the strat side of it
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>>121524097
> And you plan to dodge it in a beat up outdated ship you hastily repaired while laying low from the pursuit.

which is exactly what they did anyway. except it was in a giant bulky frigate instead of a sleek smuggling ship.

The conditions for winning the war also have repeatedly been stated as defeating Arcann and taking the throne, not the defeating the fleet. Secondly, incase you missed the entirety of Chapter 9 (and i'm guessing the entire xpac) it's not the ship that is causing people to rally to your cause, it's YOU. You are the "special snowflake" as you like to say that is getting everyone behind the war effort. And it's repeatedly stated that Zakuul can be overcome by the Republic and Empire working together instead of letting the Zakuul divide and conquer.

There was never any reason to shoehorn the Gravestone in and make us care about it just like there was never any reason to introduce Koth and make us care about him when there are so many more characters that could have been used from KotoR/Swtor's rich backstory

>>121524328
>Two very important and special people used the Ebon Hawk. That does not make the Ebon Hawk important or special.

It's called iconicism, and character development. The Ebon Hawk itself doesn't need to be special, but it holds more plot in its name alone than the Gravestone. Again the ship itself doesn't need to be the crux of how they win the war. Infact it's BETTER that a single plot point isn't the key to the story's conclusion.

Both of you trying to discredit the Ebon Hawk by showing the Gravestone as the better choice for the story. Think about that. You're asking for a story where

A) The Graveston wins the day no contest.
B) Something goes wrong and they need to go to plan B

Both events which are completely predictable, but had they used any other ship they would never have to tie up with these messy plot points that seem to be completely irrevelent and serve to build predictable drama.
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>>121525424
There is no intelligent solution if the army is supposed to be a threat to the combined forces of the Empire and the Republic.
And if it's not, then there is no point to the entire Zakuul thing.

Oh so you've found the Emperor, managed to kill his current body and now he tells you things from time to time. That's ok, time to fly away from Zakuul leaving Valkorion's two crazy powerful kids there to seethe and shake their fists in anger because they don't really have the means to find you or fuck you up.

What, they actually have the firepower to punch through to you while you're chilling in the Empire/Republic space? Good, then the other side will fuck your side up, ending the war. You lost, try again Y/N?
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>>121526029
>bad combat
I hope you're not going to hold up The Witcher 3 as having better combat.

The writing BTFOs every Bioware game in the last ten years but the combat is fucking meh.
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>>121526561
God no, the witcher series has always had terrible combat to the point where the devs actively promote using a mod to overhaul it.
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>>121526561
Witcher 3 combat isn't great but it's still miles ahead of dai's smacking kids in a pool with woggles
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>>121526041
>which is exactly what they did anyway. except it was in a giant bulky frigate instead of a sleek smuggling ship.
Which broke the blockade with it's plot cannon. The sleek smuggling ship would get btfo instead.
>The conditions for winning the war also have repeatedly been stated as defeating Arcann and taking the throne
You have to get to the throne first and not get wrecked by Arcann and Vaylin.
>it's not the ship that is causing people to rally to your cause, it's YOU
Except YOU wouldn't have half the pull you do without showing that you can in fact put a dent in Arcann's forces. Which is ALSO. FUCKING. STATED. That YOU and the Gravestone gave people hope.
>And it's repeatedly stated that Zakuul can be overcome by the Republic and Empire working together instead of letting the Zakuul divide and conquer.
Zakuul fucked up the Empire and the Republic simultaneously. It's a nigh impossible fucking fight for them working together at the peak of their power. And now they are quite far from it with all the limits enforced by Arcann.
>there are so many more characters that could have been used from KotoR/Swtor's rich backstory
There are no characters from "KoTOR's rich backstory" to use you inbred ape, because this game happens 300 years after KoTOR. Do you propose shoehorning in Mandalore the Ageless and his combat cane made of mandalorian iron?

Tl;dr Your idea is just as retarded as the Gravestone, fucking stop posting already you moronic cunt.
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>Get stuck in this chair
>Using /stuck does nothing
Welp.
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>>121526041
>And it's repeatedly stated that Zakuul can be overcome by the Republic and Empire working together instead of letting the Zakuul divide and conquer.
actually it's the exact opposite without the Gravestone in play.
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>>121527110
Try relogging.
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>>121525690
You can't kill off the player character in an MMO because then people go 'Oh, well fuck off to you too then' and unsub, since they don't appreciate their prize character Darth D'ank-Memes being murdered.

>>121525749
Honestly mediocre is being generous. The animations are clunky and snap from pose to pose in incredibly jarring and un-lifelike ways, the characters are... Unlikeable at best, the setting is a complete mess (some of the fashion in DA:I, for example, is literally impossible for the time period. There are people whose outfits include what is clearly latex. How did they get latex?), the combat is dull and uninteresting with no weight or impact to anything you do, and there are cut corners everywhere.
There's also very clear influence of the 'Progressive Bioware' element running through it - I'm not some rabid anti-SJW gamergate moron frothing at the mouth, but Bioware does have this tendency to exploit things like that for their own gain; most of the villains seemed to be straight white males, there seemed to be very few NON-villainous straight while males, the Qunari, an unforgiving and borderline barbarous warrior-culture, now have a special word for transgender people that they use out of respect for their feelings, etcetera etcetera.

Progressiveness is good, but Bioware doesn't do actual progressiveness; Bioware trots out gays and transexuals and anybody else they can lay their hands on as a marketing gimmick like some kind of freakshow, and then cries 'Look! We have Poofs and Trannies in our games now! Come and buy our progressive games, gay weirdos!"

Okay I'm done ranting about stupid shit that nobody cares about or wants to hear now, please resume normal waifuposting I'm very sorry.
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>>121525690
I doubt they'll outright kill the PC, it's an MMO after all, you have to be able to keep playing after finishing kotfe, and they might want to make more expansions in the future, possibly.

I think it'll be a standard three-option ending, depending on your choices throughout the storyline.

Option 1 is completely dismantling Zakuul, and banishing Vitiate forever.

Option 2 is claiming the throne of the remains of Zakuul, and banishing Vitiate forever.

Option 3 is attempting option 1, but failing to banish Vitiate due to his significant influence over you, causing him to take over your body. Zakuul is destroyed, so Vitiate, now posing as the player character, decides to bide his time, waiting for an opportunity to take control of the players faction. This allows you to keep playing, even though you're technically playing as Vitiate pretending to be your character.
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>>121525690
I doubt they are gonna kill of the PC at the end. Im pretty sure they said there might be future expacs, and its hard to do future xpacs when your character is dead
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>>121527110
try opening support

it works for some reason
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>>121527516
>kill PC
>Welcome to knights of the new republic led by Luke and Kylo!
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>>121527516
Honestly part of me is curious about what future expansion packs could even be. I feel like everything about KOTFE is setting itself up as the "FINALE"
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>>121527443
I also can't imagine an ending where you actually become the emperor. Emperors can't go on adventures and shit, they have to delegate that sort of thing.

Way I see it, Vitiate's ex wife is gonna become the Queen of the empire one way or another and then itll be back to Empire vs Republic
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>>121527636
Didn't they terminate the contracts with the voice actors for all the classes too?
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>>121527516
>>121527443
>>121527370
Nah you won't die but you will fake your death
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>>121527636
Thats how I feel, but Id also imagine they'd want to make more.

Part of why I cant imagine it going further is I see the Emperor as the final boss to the whole game, and it would be really fucking lame if he gets away again at the end.
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>>121527730
Nah you won't die but you will have to fug your space waifu so she can spawn a force abomination but she'll die giving birth
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>>121527680
Well, the Consular is in the Jedi Order, yet he's personally out there doing dirtywork for no proper reason. Same with SI and the Dark Council, and Agent. They've pulled the same kind of shit in the past.

Regardless of ending, Zakuul would be in complete ruin due to the PC fucking them over with the MacGuffin, so maybe the Emperor, lacking a true powerbase and an army, has to take matters into his own hands. He does missions for the old player faction because they were the ally he selected.
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which planet's heroics are the easiest to do? stealth class by the way if there any i can just stealth past everything without killing
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>>121527849
He's just going to run into the next room and then it turns out he's got a jetpack in there.
Then he says "Curse you heroes, I'll get you next time!" and flies away. Then he turns up in the next expansion pack with an even BIGGER Empire he had hidden slightly FURTHER out in space. Only this one has knights that can, I don't know, breathe fire using the force or something.
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The more KotFE is analyzed, the more I feel like trooper and BH are the real main characters
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>>121527990
Belsavis seems to take hardly any time at all
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What I think would be cool is if they accepted that the game is completely non-canon and just have actual endings to the whole Republic/Empire war

Perhaps with different endings based on your character. At minimum a lightsided and dark sided ending for both factions where they win and either make things better or worse.

Im sure theres no fucking way that will happen, a shitty side effect of being a game that takes place before a story where the two sides are still at war, but Id be pretty stoked if they could do it.
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Reminder that the TRUE kotor 3 is jedi knight story

Reminder that the TRUE kotor 4 is kotfe

Reminder that jedi knight is the TRUE main character of kotfe

Reminder that playing jedi knight is TRUE canon
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>>121527636
I would like to see it just go back to the status quo of republic vs empire and give us class story content in the same style as kotfe. Just release one act at a time for each class or something.
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>>121527990
You can literally solo all of them with any companion. There's probably some you can stealth through but like who cares. Just murder everyone.
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>>121527680
>Vitiate's ex wife is gonna become the Queen of the empire
I bet she dies, and Thexan is still alive somehow and you'll have to help him get the throne back.
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>>121526041
>it's not the ship that is causing people to rally to your cause, it's YOU
Oh, you mean the great Bounty Hunter who was presumed to be dead for 5 years?
The anonymous Agent only Lana and some Imperial Intelligence officers even know about?
Or maybe the ex-Pirate King without most of his wealth or "fleet" left?
I know, it's Major Jarhead, reported MIA 5 years ago.
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>>121528151
But I also feel like that'd be dumb. Especially since the whole point of the Alliance system is uniting both sides against a common foe. If they just go back to business as usual it defeats the point of KOTFE in the first place
Then again THAT wouldn't surprise me either.
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>>121528171
Yeah, I mean the ones that are fast and less tedious though. Just stealth through everybody and click an objective and done. I know they're all easily soloable but I don't wanna spend a while killing 30 super elites or whatever for each quest.

>>121528072
I'll give it a try, thanks!
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>>121528058
Do explain, I can't see any class thats not a force user as the main character.
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>>121526960
Again you're just enforcing Bioware's plot cannon as a good idea. You're argument is that WE NEED THE GRAVESTONE, because there's no other way to resolve the conflict wheras I'm saying that story shouldn't put so much emphasis on such a banal plot device, especially when it's such a repitive plot device as "the secret super weapon" which has shown up in almost every single class story. The only reason I bring up the Ebon Hawk is because I don't like the Gravestone and every good critique needs a suggestion on how to improve not just critique on why it's bad.

Ultimately ships in the past have been shown to break through blockades many times not just in the games but in the movies as well. Taking a few dings from fleet fire has never stopped the protagonists from escaping. Remember it's a story, the only reason we're having this discussion is because the Gravestone got fired on and dinged. The Ebon Hawk in it's place wouldn't have gotten dinged as badly and would have outrun the lasers anyway.

Think about Revan in KotoR 1. Did he destroy Malak's fleet to get to the Star Forge? No he sneaked in.

Did The rebels destroy the death star with superior firepower? No, they were always outmatched and it was with small teams and smart tactics that they defeated the much larger and seemingly hopeless force.

And the Ebon Hawk btw is ageless, it's a machine. Rakata tech and the Zakuul Empire itself is very old. Reusing old technology isn't new to the series. Of course I'm not saying bring back Mandalore, I'm saying use what can conceivably be brought back. Have the Ebon Hawk, You're saying that the PC needs a ship to be a rallying call. Let it be the Ebon Hawk that carried Revan to victory thousands of years ago. It's Galactic Core history vs Zakuul History. That sort of understory just adds a nice flavour of rivalry between the Zakuulans and the rest of the Galaxy.

I mean let me put it in words that you understand.

>u r shilling 4 bioware's bad ideas senpai
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>>121528232
If they shoehorn you into helping you I'll be so fucking pissed.

The only reason my character is even bothering with the whole thing is because there's a very real chance of claiming the throne of the most powerful nation in the known universe. If that chance vanished, she'd just fuck off to uncharted space, eat some ghosts and wait for shit to blow over so that she can pull an Emperor.
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>>121528131
>true
you do realise that about 6 of the class stories in swtor directly cause each other to happen
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What if having Valk in my head is what makes me want to bang Senya?
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>>121528539
Jedi knight is the TRUE & HONEST main character
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>>121528406
>I'm not saying bring back Mandalore
I wanna be Mandalore. He had a rad and cool helmet and if you can get it off him then you win and now you're the Mandalore.

That's actually true I read it in one of the comics.
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>>121528596
Would Valk tell you what really turns her on?
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>>121528596
>not doing it regardless if you want to or not just to be a dick to le manipulative ghost man
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>>121528254
Yeah and that's how Bioware wants to tell the story. You can't pretend like you weren't always intended to lead the alliance because Odessen was scouted out by Lana before the Gravestone was discovered and it was already decided that you would lead the Rebellion against Zakuul.
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>>121528353
Since you get destroyed by Arcann and go into hiding, it doesn't really make sense for any of the hyper powered force users to get decimated in that way unless it's implying Arcann is on a greater power level than the strongest sith in the galaxy / the ghost of revan etc. You end up having to go back and recruiting a bunch of people to help you win the fight instead of your own power, which was the status quo for the the non force sensitive stories rather than the force sensitive stories. The story seems to treat you as a relatable leader rather than superman leading the justice league
That's how I interpreted it so far
Although it does fit JK very well, so I guess a better statement would be it fits JK the best and trooper / BH are next in line followed by everyone else
I only say trooper / bh because there's lines in SoR that state that citizens of republic / empire think of you as a hero despite your alignment
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>>121528406
The Ebon Hawk would've been torn to shreds by the Zakuul fleet, especially since it wouldn't even be fully operational.
There is absolutely no way to improve it or make the Ebon Hawk fit in without blowing the entire "Zakuul is a threat" thing up.
Also do tell me how exactly is Agent, Smuggler, BH or Trooper the shining beacon of hope people rally behind just because he managed to find a ship most people don't even recognize? It's been 300 years and Revan's exploits weren't THAT well known.
Oh, also Revan didn't use the Ebon Hawk in the Mandalorian Wars. So the only place it carried him is a place nobody knows about where nobody knows what happened.

In words you might be able to partially understand:
>ur ideas are just as fucking bad as the Gravestone
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Getting kind of a Soul Nomad vibe from kotfe.
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>>121528783
Well there's already a Mandalore so I'm pretty sure if you kill him and take his helmet you become Mandalore.
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>>121528784
>hey
>listen
>lick behind her knees
>no just trust me
>dude it will work i promise
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>>121528909
It's a shame they made it this way

It fits SI so poorly I just couldn't enjoy it
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>>121528909
I didn't really pay attention to the BH story while I was doing it. Is the BH really considered a Hero by the Imperials? I know Trooper is.
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>>121526041


>The conditions for winning the war also have repeatedly been stated as defeating Arcann and taking the throne, not the defeating the fleet.

Koth said that. No one gives a fuck what Koth thinks.
>It's called iconicism, and character development.

Shoehornng halfassed fanservice into the story isn't exactly character development.

>The Ebon Hawk itself doesn't need to be special, but it holds more plot in its name alone than the Gravestone.

This doesn't make any sense. The Ebon Hawk doesnt hold any plot. It would serve as northing more than "hey, remember KOTOR? So do we."

>Again the ship itself doesn't need to be the crux of how they win the war. Infact it's BETTER that a single plot point isn't the key to the story's conclusion.

>Both of you trying to discredit the Ebon Hawk by showing the Gravestone as the better choice for the story. Think about that. You're asking for a story where

>A) The Graveston wins the day no contest.
>B) Something goes wrong and they need to go to plan B

The existence of the Gravestone didn't cause these problems. The problem comes from the fact that the entire plot of the expansion is another Reaperesque ubeatable enemy. When you have a shitty plot about an unbeatable enemy you have to introduce a shitty plot device like the Cruci--I mean Gravestone to let the heroes win. And since the plot calls for a shitty plot device like that, the gravestone makes more sense as the shitty deus ex machina solution than some shitty smugglng ship.

But yeah, the plot would be better off if completely rewritten so it doesn't require a superpowerful special snowflake ship. But guess what, were that to happen there still would be no need to shove the Ebon Hawk into the plot other than your KOTOR fetish.
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>>121528909
Is it that crazy that Arcann is super stronk? Hes the son of THE Emperor, the strongest being in the entire galaxy.

The only thing I think is bullshit is his power doesn't really carry over to gameplay. You kick his ass handily, then Valk is like "Oh hey dude, hes totally too strong for you, lemme help"
Fuck off, you distracted me so I got a gut full of lightsaber
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>>121528909
I donno, I just felt the battle with Arcann seemed really stupid as a non-force class. Popping away with a pistol like it's a threat.

There was a sense that a knight or warrior was evenly matched until Valk threw them off.
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>>121529182
>Is the BH really considered a Hero by the Imperials?
Nope.
>I know Trooper is.
Nope.
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>>121529079
>It seems you've failed, you can't get her off
>This will be the last time you share something intimate with her after this failure, unless you can somehow turn it around
>Use my power, do it
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>>121528784
I really don't want to think about my poor SI trying to make out with someone while her two separate ghost-dads are sitting in the corner observing the event.
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>>121529182
There's a few people in SoR who like to reiterate that "to the average citizen you're not just a thug but a war hero"
I forget who else says it, I know one other person does, but Lana also says it
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>>121529285
Valk's plan was to possess you so he could cum inside Senya through you and create a super child.
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>>121529417
The average citizen doesn't really know the BH's identity.
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ill never get through KotFE
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>>121528909
No, that guy is full of shit when he says KOTFE fits bounty hunter. KOTFE fots the force classes best unless you're a faggot who is butthurt that arcann is stronger than your mary sue character.
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>>121529572
I'm butthurt that the cutscenes don't really show him win in a reasonable way, just a magical mystical super force blast of cum.
He's literally Kai Leng tier.
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>>121529503
BH's pretty much the most famous pc who doesn't end up on a council

Their entire story is about becoming famed as the best in single combat
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>>121529275
>Trooper
>Not a Republic Hero

kek fucking retard.
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>>121528909
Arcann is the son of Vitiate. A sith so incredibly powerful that he's lived for thousands of years, killed his sith lord father at the age of ten, and was handpicked by motherfucking Marka Ragnos, who immediately granted him the title of Lord and gave him a planet to rule, despite him being a preteen.

He's stronger than some fucking ghostbuster or duelist.
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>>121529831
The true hero is Garza.
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>>121529892
Oh yeah? What's his midichlorian count?
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>>121530063
Nigga doesn't even have blood it's so high
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>>121529902
The true hero is Garza's tailor.
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>>121529892
And yet he got btfo when fighting rank and file Sith.
He's not wearing that mask or the cybernetic arm just because they're stylish.
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Leveling, rage vs vengeance.
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>>121530239
While fighting an army of rank and file Sith. You never saw the circumstance where he gets messed up, he could've been shot from orbit for all we know.
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>>121529892
Arcann was already a shitter when compared to his texan brother. Vaylin is the super crazy fucking strong one.
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>>121528151
>go back to the status quo even though breaking it was the entire point of KotFE
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>>121530239
Could be any number of reasons. Maybe an airstrike or something caught him off guard.

Fighting in a huge ass war is different than fighting a 1 on 1 duel
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>>121527950
Jedi Masters go out and do stuff all the time. As much as people hate the prequels and for good reason, that's where the status quo jedi order was eatablished and in those movies, every time the jedi had a meeting half of them were out doing shit and had to call via holo.
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Star Wars n00b here. Are there any games worth playing for their well written/important story? Already played the KotORs and will probably play the story part of SWTOR.
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>>121528992
Again you're just saying that the Gravestone is the only ship that could possibly work in the scenario. Again you are reinforcing Bioware's bad ideas.

Guess what, when you rewrite a bad idea it has more to do with just replacing one thing with another. The Ebon Hawk could be in much better shape than the Gravestone. The grave stone was said to be scuttled. The Ebon Hawk could have been abandoned. It's a smaller ship it could easier to make flight worthy than the

Basically your saying the storyline must meet the following conditions:

>Ship goes into space
>Intercepted by Eternal Fleet building tension
>Thrusters must not work building more tension
>It must take several hits to build more tension
>Tension relieved by thrusters working

I'm saying
>Ship goes in space
>Eternal Fleet arrives building tension
>Ebon Hawk powers thrusters and escapes
>Tension relieved and exposition of the Ebon Hawk as a capable blockade runner established.
>

simpler story. all plot points achieved. tension created without being too overdramatic. No need to layer in all this useless information to draw out uneeded tension and drama.

>Also do tell me how exactly is Agent, Smuggler, BH or Trooper the shining beacon of hope people rally behind just because he managed to find a ship most people don't even recognize?

ask bioware that wasn't my idea. You don't question the Gravestone apparently don't know why this would bother you :^)

I mean this is the direction Bioware wanted to go in. They wanted to make all the characters special and I can't think of how to fix that without rewriting the whole story. However I do think that the Gravestone is unnecessary and banal and that it could easily be replaced by something else and make the story more compelling and relatable to other works of Star Wars fiction by adding the Ebon Hawk.

Also in KotoR 2 everyone knows about Revan and obviously his crew carried on his legacy and story and how he defeated Malak and the starforge.
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Which class is the most "Bobba Fett-like"? Powertech or Merc?
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>go to Yavin 4 for the first time
>that space station where the Rodian merchant lived alone is still there
Cool.
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>>121530578
No not really. Just novels and comics.
>>121530796
Power tech, easily
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>>121530848
Wait what?
Where?
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>>121530578
Depends on the class. Agent is fantastic, JK is okay as a standard star wars hero tale, Warrior is fun, Inquisitor is good if you're fine with focusing more on personal power than the Empire and read up on sith history first.
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>>121530595
If you rewrite the story so that it doesn't require the super special asspull superweapon ship, then any ship would do. In that scenario they could have just said Koth or Lana had a backup ship stashed nearby or had theran come meet you on Zakuul. Either way therw is still no need to shoehorn the Ebon Hawk in there.
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Light side sith is weird, 90% of the people you save are cunts who will go on to do harm/further the dark side

Still better than jedi where most people have no reason to be executed
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>>121530796
Powertech, but neither really comes close at all. BH is based on Jango, not Boba.
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>>121531150
>Sith Warrior is stated to be from a noble family in the Empire
>People play aliens anyways

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
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Holy hell that's a crapload of heroics.
>>121530796
I'm still disappointed that Bounty Hunters can't use rifles. It seems much more fitting of an agent to use a pistol rather than snipers and carbines.
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>>121531150
The light side believes in second chances. You sound more reasonable, so you should play grey.
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>>121531249
>implying she wasn't the house slave's bastard child
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>>121531391
>bastard child
>ever actually considered a part of said noble family

pls
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>>121529183
Of course it's development. It adds another chapter to the history of a famous ship in the Star Wars universe, one that is directly connected to the whole story of KotoR/Swtor.

And of course it holds plot it has a long history built up in other games. That's the story/legend behind the name.

> The problem comes from the fact that the entire plot of the expansion is another Reaperesque ubeatable enemy

That has been the plot of Star Wars from the very first film. It's always the scrappy good guys vs the all powerful bad guys. The other thing is that I'm not saying replace the Ebon Hawk as the "Exhaust Port" (or ME3s Crucible as you say), I'm saying that it makes for a better story for the heroes to search for a solution rather than have it just dropped in it's lap. Maybe if the Gravestone was found somewhere else that would be great. But instead, they just happen to find it in a swamp where they crash land. It's just so hackneyed that literally anything, even the Ebon Hawk would have been better than finding the key to all their problems and more.
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>>121530595
Zakuul fleet has superior sensors and consists of thousands of ships, you won't plot a hyperdrive route without clearing a path first.
Ebon Hawk got bonked by shitty frigates ages ago too. And it's over 300. Years. Old. Outdated as fuck. This is not magical Zakuul technology which somehow remains cutting edge after thousands of years.
If you don't need the Gravestone, you can just use a fucking Zakuul dropship or something instead, there is no need for Ebon Hawk. You said it's the player's character people follow (for whatever reason). Why bother with shoehorning a ship then? Because YOU think it'd be nice to have another KoTOR reference?
With the way Zakuul threat is written aka super unbeatable army which nobody ever noticed, you need a retarded plot device for the player to win. Arcann himself will already need 10 inches of plot armor to win with too. Will you come to complain about it and try to prove that the player's character wearing the Ebon Hawk as armor and using one of it's laser's barrels to beat him down would've been a better idea?

Fuck off you retarded shiteating ape. BioWare's writing is a shitty plot device ship, your idea is a shitty reference for no reason.
Both are equally bad.
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>>121531493
>implying you wouldn't legitimise them fucking quickly if they were force sensitive enough to become sith
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Voss is so pretty
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With all the hype from the trailers I've got the urge to play some star wars games. Should I give that mmo a shot?
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>>121508227
SWTOR Unleashed is a RAM drive: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RAM_drive
It's not specific to SWTOR in any way.
It copies data from your storage media to RAM, so it can be accessed from there, faster than from the storage media.
It improves your loading times, not your FPS.
Also, if you have an SSD, the difference is really small.
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>>121531742
Depends on what kinda story you're interested in
some are vgood some are crap

as an mmo it's servicable
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>>121531589
Ebon Hawk would be just a glorified reference to KoTOR. Nothing more.
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>>121531742
Why not?
The f2p is basically a demo to see if you have a taste. The new expansion is nifty for story. Some people get buttmad that they gave a face to the exile and revan, but if you can get over that it's pretty interesting
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>>121531697
I really like the permanent autumn it has going on.
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>>121531858
>as an mmo it's servicable
as an mmo it's absolute garbage. no reason to play it beyond the class stories and expansion storylines.
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>>121532026
Same man. It looks so peaceful too. I really wish there was a nice stronghold on Voss... there and on Alderaan. They are the best two planets in the game and it sucks that neither of them have strongholds.
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>>121532146
I can't enjoy Voss knowing what kind of cunts live on it.
Real shame SI can't actually Malak that place.
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>>121531589
>Of course it's development. It adds another chapter to the history of a famous ship in the Star Wars universe, one that is directly connected to the whole story of KotoR/Swtor.

>And of course it holds plot it has a long history built up in other games. That's the story/legend behind the name.

It's just a fucking ship. There's no reason it needs to come back. Ships do not get character development. All the forced references to shit from 300 years ago werw the biggest problems with SoR.
>Maybe if the Gravestone was found somewhere else that would be great. But instead, they just happen to find it in a swamp where they crash land.

This much is true

>It's just so hackneyed that literally anything, even the Ebon Hawk would have been better than finding the key to all their problems and more.

The Ebon Hawk being there would be the most hackneyed thing possible. Any other ship would have been better than the gravestone with the notable exception of the Ebon Hawk.

I mean if our only choices are some bullshit deus ex machina, and a forced callback to a barely remarkable ship that has no business showing up 300 years later and even less business being recognized as anything other than a generic freighter by the characters 300 years later I'll take the deus ex machina.

TLDR:

Literally any other generic ship > Gravestone > Ebon Hawk
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>>121532261
No way man... The Gormaks are bros, the Voss are qts and interesting people and looks really cool and unique compared to other Star Wars races. I really like them. My favorite race in the universe besides human. But I respect your opinion. Pls don't Malak my favorite planet anon
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This place hurts my eyes. It's almost whiter than me.
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>>121530951
In the fly-in animation before it goes to loading screen.
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>>121531085
I mean I have said that.it doesn't really matter what ship they find as long as it's not as lame as the Gravestone.

The only reason I suggest the Ebon Hawk over some regular ship is because in order to keep inline with the rest of the story the ship that is discovered needs to have history and fate and all these other themes. The only ship in the KotoR/Swtor contiuum that really fits the register is the Ebon Hawk. It has all that and more. But I guess some people just don't like the idea of building on past storylines after what was done to Revan and HK-47. But I think if done correctly, a story can be richer and more meaningful if existing plotpoints are reintroduced, character development is shaped around new scenarios rather than adding new characters specifically to fill certain requirements of the plot, which honestly, I think could have cleverer solutions than bandaging it by filling it with new characters and information.

Ultimately my main critique of KotFE is that they add too much new content that is alien and unrelatable and poorly developed, when they could have been cleverer and reused characters already established.

You don't need Koth, you have whatever (Theron is my suggestion).
You don't need the Gravestone, you have whatever (the Ebon Hawk I guess is my suggestion)
You don't need a super weapon to defeat the Zakuul, that fucking plot point is so overused in the character stories. There's so much in the Star Wars lore you can draw upon on how a small scrappy force fights a giant intimidating empire without constantly reusing the "our heroes find a super weapon"

I feel like they could have made KotFE so much better, but instead they tried to take ownership and added a bunch of shit that no one can relate to. and when they try to make it relatable it fails (see Koth).
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>>121532694
>the ship that is discovered needs to have history and fate and all these other themes.
No, it doesn't.
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>>121532561
One of the reasons I prefer Illum
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>>121532694
>because in order to keep inline with the rest of the story the ship that is discovered needs to have history and fate and all these other themes.
No it fucking doesn't. The ship doesn't matter at all.
>a story can be richer and more meaningful if existing plotpoints are reintroduced
A ship that just flies around is not a plot point.

There is absolutely no fucking reason to use Ebon Hawk there.
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>>121532694
And this is your opinion
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>>121532943
Very cool skybox man. Love it.
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>>121532694
>But I guess some people just don't like the idea of building on past storylines after what was done to Revan and HK-47. But I think if done correctly, a story can be richer and more meaningful if existing plotpoints are reintroduced, character development is shaped around new scenarios rather than adding new characters specifically to fill certain requirements of the plot, which honestly, I think could have cleverer solutions than bandaging it by filling it with new characters and information.

It's the spaceship version of those shitty stories that go "even though this story takes place 500 years after the original, every single main chatacter is a descendant of one of the orignal main characters."

There is nothing really meaningful or interesting that gets added to the story by bringing the same ship back again
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>>121531697
>tfw no qt voss mystic waifu who has visions of you cumming inside her
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>>121532694
do you not realise that the entire point of KotFE was essentially starting on a blank slate

it's why they added in the level 60 character tokens
it's why there's a 5 year timeskip at the beginning
it's why the Republic and Empire are neutered and ineffectual

if they had the budget for it, it would have been an entirely separate game from SWTOR
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>>121532558
>Voss are interesting people
They wot
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>>121533347
>>
>Nar Shadda general chat
>how do i get to the coreli sector
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>>121533405
so what, bring back ebon hawk. it'll magically make the plot make sense, arcann will die of awe when he sees it and vaylin will stop being a psycho and instead become your adorable wife.
vitiate will just move on and become a benevolent force ghost too.
all because we put ebin hawk there. look how much it improves!
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>>121533564
Sana-Rae is bae
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>>121533564
Are those texan robes?
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>>121533658
>still can't impregnate sana-rae

It's shit
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>>121533808
yes, the Scions of Texas who have the uncanny ability to determine where to drill for oil
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>>121533947
On Zakuul right? That's why we're even there?
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>>121532783
It does because in order to give a story a theme, you need to add recurring elements to establish it. If. Bioware decided that the ship that was going to be found on Zakuul was going to build on that theme.

Which is why I'm saying having any old ship isn't going to fill bill. It's got to be something legendary. Somethign that attracts iconicism.

>>121532517
But it's not though. It has a history, it has a name. Just because it's not alive doesn't mean it has less character than many of the npcs in the game. You're saying that references which were forced were what made SoR bad. It's not forced references that ruined Revan's story, it's that bioware took Revan's ambiguous and made it concrete. They tried to take ownership of a story that the player had written for themselves a decade before. I'm not saying rewrite the Ebon Hawk's story, keep it ambiguous, bring it back, let it write another chapter in its story and do it properly. Basically redeem yourself after what was done with Revan.

And again I don't base my arguments off what I personally feel. I think the Ebon Hawk would have been a more compelling substitute for the Gravestone. It would tell a better story. Again what makes a compelling hero is the normalcy and reliability. Luke Skywalker was just a boy on Tatooine before events outside of his control made him into a hero The Ebon Hawk was just a ship before events made it associated with a hero. It's how storytelling works. It's how compelling things are created. Not by going "no i think its shit. lets have point a connect to b and get to the end so we can start gearing for the end game"
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If I keep myself overleveled, do I have to upgrade gear or can I keep using whatever since it will scale regardless.
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>>121533808
Scion robes you dolt.
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>>121533347
>voss mystic was gonna be a class
>replacement turned out to be agent
not sure how to feel
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>>121534126
>George Bush invades Zakuul for oil because the Texan Scions foretold it

pls add this in a future chapter Bioware
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Woah. just got an artifact mount out of a supply crate. Didn't know that was possible.
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>>121534139
>Ebon Hawk is abandoned on Dromund Kaas
>found 300 years later in a swamp on the other side of the galaxy
>ok but how did it get there
>WHO KNOWS ITS ALL AMBIGUOUS

>actually thinking this is a good idea
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>>121513397
>Shatelle hasn't even done anything yet, just stand back and watch. Why doesn't she go help the alliance?
My best guess is they're probably building it up for her to play big role and make a huge impact at some point.
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>>121534139
No, because the ship you find on Zakuul doesn't fucking matter at all. You can remove the plot point where you find an ancient ship, replace it with stealing a Zakuul shuttle and nothing changes.

How is Ebon Hawk tied with the Outlander's destiny to defeat Zakuul? Revan failed. Exile did fucking nothing. Oh wow you get a ship two somewhat famous force-users flew. How amazing! Shame you can't tie it with fate or destiny because they accomplished nothing at all that you can even remotely see as analogous to what's before the player's character in KotFE.

It would actually be better if it was a OC donut steel ship of an ancient Zakuulian freedom fighter who opposed the Emperor and almost made it to the Throne or something. A Zakuulian historic figure's ship. Otherwise muh destiny theme doesn't fucking work at all because there is no analogy and no ties. You won't see people say "This ship...It's like you're destined to continue Revan's legacy of fucking off in the dark reaches of the universe and failing to prevent Sith invasion!".
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>>121535030
Together with Marr's ghost, with a shocking truth revealed at the end:
Marr was actually a Jedi spy.
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>>121535030
She will die and both her and Marr will show up before the player's character from time to time, sometimes bickering, sometimes not talking to each other and instead asking the player to "tell him that this idea won't work".

And after the finale you'll learn that they got Force Ghost married and live together happily in the Force Ghost land.
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>>121535201
Yes, the guy who is so fucked up by the Dark Side that its literally killing him and is so horrifying a Moff KILLED HIMSELF after seeing Marr's face.... IS A JEDI SPY.
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>>121535438
His cover is really good.
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>>121535052
>Exile did fucking nothing
>Defeat planet eating horror and immortal sith lord, thereby allowing the Republic and Jedi Order to be rebuilt
>fucking nothing
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>>121535438
Wouldn't be the first time shit had gone wrong for Jedi infiltrators.
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>>121535580
if Nihilus was immortal then how did the Exile kill him

checkmate atheists
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>>121535438
He's so deep undercover he doesn't even know it
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>>121534139
> Bioware decided that the ship that was going to be found on Zakuul was going to build on that theme.

But I thought it doesn't matter what Bioware wrote since we're rewriting the story anyway so it doesn't require an asspull ship. Might as well write out the need for an iconic ship as well. And again, there's no reason the Ebon Hawk would be iconc or recognizable to the characters n the story anyway. To them it looks and acts like any ordinary freighter and it's not like there are a bunch of holodocumentaries about Revan's KOTOR adventure. What are they going to do, find Revan's favorite bobble head on the dashboard?
> Just because it's not alive doesn't mean it has less character than many of the npcs in the game.

That's exactly what it means. It's a tool and nothing more.

>You're saying that references which were forced were what made SoR bad. It's not forced references that ruined Revan's story, it's that bioware took Revan's ambiguous and made it concrete. They tried to take ownership of a story that the player had written for themselves a decade before.

How do you completely separate that from the forced references? You can't really have one without the other.

> do it properly.

Bioware

>And again I don't base my arguments off what I personally feel. I think the Ebon Hawk would have been a more compelling substitute for the Gravestone. It would tell a better story.

God stories don't rely on callbacks to be good.

>Again what makes a compelling hero is the normalcy and reliability. Luke Skywalker was just a boy on Tatooine before events outside of his control made him into

And you could do that with any ship
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>>121535681
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>>121535580
And nobody knows about any of that, just like nobody knows about most of Revan's exploits post-Mandalorian wars.
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>>121535836
It's funny because he actually is immortal, at least as far as we know so far
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>>121531258
>Holy hell that's a crapload of heroics.
68 to be precise if you count them all.
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>>121535681
Sion was the immortal one
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>>121530290
?
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>>121536054
That's bullshit, he died.
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>>121536003
according to the Plagueis novel, Vitiate did actually die at one point

>inb4 Outlander breaks off the top of the Spire and drags the entire Fleet into a star
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>>121535996
Nobody alive would even know what the ebon hawk fucking looks like. It doesn't work as an iconic rallying point because the characters wouldn't recognize it.
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>>121535723
Onomatopeia.
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>>121535836
Please tell me I can get that mask.

On a similar note, Thexan's lightsaber seems pretty cool. Was considering it to finally replace the Athiss Fusion-Core.
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>>121536316
if he died how is he alive? if it's only temporary then it doesn't fly in the face of immortality
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>>121536409
Yes, you can get it.

Once you complete Chapter 9, there is a vendor in one of the wings of your alliance base that sells the Scion set for common data crystals.
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>>121536447
Maybe it's just a translation error and for Zakuulians Valkorion was actually the Immoral Emperor.
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>>121536409
Yes, you can buy it in the underworld section on Odessan.
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>>121535052
> replace it with stealing a Zakuul shuttle and nothing changes.

Really? Because a few posts back people are really adamant that it has to be a ship that can survive the Zakuul Fleet interception and only the Gravestone can blast through it :^).

Ok so atleast we can agree that the Gravestone as a whole is just dumb and generally anything fast enough to run a blockade can work. An OC Zakuulan blockade runner would work too, but hey are you only suggesting that because I suggested the Ebon Hawk?

Let me tell you about themes though. The way you're looking at the themes of fate/legend/destiny is very narrow. Themes are very broad, they don't always have to be directed towards the player character, they characters don't even need to be aware of them but the player/viewer/reader becomes aware of them. It brings cohesion to the events of the story, it makes things connect in a way more than "A goes X and does Y". The Ebon Hawk doesn't have to be connected to the player's destiny. The ship itself has it's own :destiny" built on the past as you have said by

>two somewhat famous force-users

But contextually in the story the meaning of the ebon hawk doesn't matter immediately to the characters. The personality and history of the ship is so great that the characters don't even have to know it's name. You don't even need to mention it. All you need is one exposition shot of the ship and some music and everyone but the people in the story know what it is.

And when you say "they didn't accomplish anything with it" the Ebon Hawk is not about accomplishment, it's about using resources which have substance to them, that are already present.
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Played SW twice

both times Vemrin got a lightcock
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>>121536402
OnomatoPHOBIA, scrub
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Roche Ice Cat any rare?

Looks really nice, just looted it from a Commander's Share.
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How come every alien in the game understands english perfectly and how come every human in the game understands all alien languages perfectly?
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>>121536284
He lets himself die, he couldn't be killed
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>>121536751
IIRC they were amongst the cheapest non-vendor bikes on GTN earlier

Still nice looking
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>>121536751
Once they started coming out of the crates they really dropped in value.
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>>121536976
>>121537007
I'll just learn it then, I really like the model.

Thanks.
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>>121536604
>muh kotor reference for the sake of reference

how many times do we have to tell you its a shit idea
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>>121536935
Space magic
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>>121536604
>The Ebon Hawk doesn't have to be connected to the player's destiny. The ship itself has it's own :destiny" built on the past as you have said by
What is the fucking point of the ship being explicitly Ebon Hawk?
>The personality and history of the ship is so great that the characters don't even have to know it's name. You don't even need to mention it. All you need is one exposition shot of the ship and some music and everyone but the people in the story know what it is.
What. Is. The. Point. Of. The. Ship. Being. Ebon. Hawk. Then?
>the Ebon Hawk is not about accomplishment, it's about using resources which have substance to them, that are already present.
Seriously?

Yes we fucking get it, you love your fucking cocksucking ship and will apparently do everything and twist the story and setting around just to make the ship the Ebon Hawk.

So in short you just want a completely unnecessary, shoehorned reference to KoTOR.
Fuck yourself with a rake.
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>>121536642
They say onomatopeia at the beginning and eventually it changes to onomatophobia for some reason. i think they are supposed to be different command words for different things or something.
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>>121536935
They don't

Some twileks are too fucking dumb to speak/hear basic properly
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>>121536940
Ah ha, then he's not immortal, just unkillable.
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>>121536751
>>121536976

Those things are common as shit. I have one of those plus another Roche speeder from commander's share, and earlier today a guildmate was talking about how he's found multiple Roche mounts as well.
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>>121537189
That's bullshit, I've seen all the movies and played all the games and I can't remember a single twi'lek who can't speak it. Even if it's true that there are some who can't, there are a fucking astounding number of them that can so it must be like .0001% of all twi'leks that can't speak basic. That's just even more stupid because that takes away any kind of bullshit justification you could have used originally and makes even less sense.
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>>121537189
But you can lick their lekku and they'll understand you.
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>>121537393
>be slave race
>Hutts run lots of slaving
>Huttese is the default language in Hutt space
>don't learn Basic
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>>121537393
And what if it's the other way round and the Twi'leks you saw who could perfectly understand and speak basic are the .0001% and just happened to be shown in the movies/games?
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>>121536003
>temple collapses on his current meat puppet
>gets knocked out for a couple of days
>gets run through by a light sabre
>"Kek, ok then."
Is there anything that can stop Vitiate?
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>>121537583
Me
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>>121537103
Do you even read or do you just zero in on what triggers you, which apparently is KotoR references. The point is the Ebon Hawk has more character and history to in it than using any old ship.

And honestly you don't get it, because I'm saying the story can be better developed, they can do more with less, that they can add things that have organically been developed from Swtor's past rather than dropping all this alien and unrelatable stuff. Star Wars operates on the iconicism of itself and the golden age of science fiction. And honestly m8 if you take away this

>Yes we fucking get it, you love your fucking cocksucking ship

you're wasting your time reading and replying to me because I'm talking about storytelling whereas you seem to be talking about something completely different.
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>>121537393
>and I can't remember a single twi'lek who can't speak it.
Both rep starter planets feature one
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>>121537583
canon
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>>121537583
There's only one thing that can stop Vitiate.

Pic related.
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Holy shit you guys are still fucking going on about the Ebon Hawk? It's been fucking hours.
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>when you nut but your son keeps jacking
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>>121537712
Putting a ship just so the reader/viewer can recognize it is not storytelling you retarded fucking cunt.
It's a POINTLESS REFERENCE.
Now if it did serve any point, you could argue your idiotic ideas. But it doesn't. Remove the necessity for Gravestone and any fucking ship can do. Therefore forcing Ebon Hawk in is nothing more than shoehorning a reference to KoTOR no matter how much "character" and "history" the ship has according to you.
Seriously just go fuck yourself already.
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>>121537798
>let him possess you
>trap him in an infinite loop of debauchery
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>>121537859
those are some nice teeth for an old man
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>>121537712
>forcing in references is now storytelling
wew lad
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>>121538026
Dentistry is quite popular on Zakuul.
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>>121537798
>he hasn't seen the Old World

Valkorion was a degenerate that got fed up with the stuffiness of the Sith Code
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>>121537854
And both of them are categorically wrong lel
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>>121538305
None can resist the D, anon.

Not even your waifu.
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>>121538426
That thread was wild
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>>121538426
i've been meaning to play this for so long but it seems like way too much work to install and patch and mod properly
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>>121537712
> The point is the Ebon Hawk has more character and history to in it than using any old ship.

It's a fucking ship. It has no character.

>And honestly you don't get it, because I'm saying the story can be better developed, they can do more with less, that they can add things that have organically been developed from Swtor's past


Dropping in a 300 year old ship for no reason is the opposite of organically developed. It's forced as fuck.

> rather than dropping all this alien and unrelatable stuff.

You're the only one who finds shit alien and unrelatable if your favorite starship isn't forced in.

>Star Wars operates on the iconicism of itself

Is it not iconic enough that we've already had two fucking ebon hawk clones in this game? Probably more than that since it's not like I was ever counting.
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>>121535803
We're not rewriting the story though. I'm criticizing the Gravestone and why it's bad. And when you criticize something you need to give a suggestion on how to improve the problem rather than flaming and being acting like a child. And again it doesn't matter if the Ebon Hawk is immediately recognizable, because the story being written for the player, and the player can recognize this ship without anyone mentioning its name.

>>121537949
See this where you're getting angry and short-sighted. The Ebon Hawk by virtue of its history adds future exposition and flavour to the story more than any ordinary ship would. And it's not a matter of the ship having story and character according to me, it has story and character regardless. I'm not making up the story of the Ebon Hawk, it's all there in the first two KotoR games.

What I'm saying is that the Gravestone isn't necessary and if we to replace its plot significance with something less important, but still crucial to move from point a to b, then it should be the Ebon Hawk, because when we move a story from point A to B, good storytelling should strive to make it interesting without being too overbearing. All it takes is an image of the Hawk to say everything about it.

Imagine the cantina scene if they walk in talk to Solo and then leave Tatooine. You get from point A to B but where's the flavour? Where's the storytelling. You keep saying I am shoe horning references from past sources, but all Star Wars is about that. It's about giving tribute to things that inspired it and itself. It's what Star Wars is.
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>>121538602
Still haven't downloaded AA2 even though I got a bunch of these cards.

>>121538657
As I understand, if you play other JP only games on your comp you're already like 80% of the way done. I say give it a whirl.
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Whenever you're ready~
>>121539016
>>121539016
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anyone on bastion wanna sf/heroics or pvp?
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>>121539069
Only if the winner gets to rape the loser.
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>>121539041
I remember I tried installing it a while ago and stopped like halfway through for some reason and thought I would finish it later. And I never got back around to it. Maybe I'll do it this weekend or something.
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>>121538880
>future exposition and flavour to the story more than any ordinary ship would
What exposition?
>All it takes is an image of the Hawk to say everything about it.
WHY? It is not iconic you cockfaced idiot. It's just a fucking ship.
>Imagine the cantina scene if they walk in talk to Solo and then leave Tatooine. You get from point A to B but where's the flavour? Where's the storytelling
AND WHERE THE FUCK IS THE STORYTELLING IN THE SHIP BEING EBON HAWK?
>You keep saying I am shoe horning references from past sources, but all Star Wars is about that
Where exactly is it forcibly referencing shit just for the sake of reference? Do provide examples.
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>>121539207
I don't mind if you don't anon~
I never lose, though ;)
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>>121539228
If you do, be sure to post your waifu in the thread so we can all take turns raping her.
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>>121538669
>You're the only one who finds shit alien and unrelatable if your favorite starship isn't forced in.

Really? Because everyone seems to have a problem with Koth forced in. Or the Gravestone being the almight plot device. No one seemed to disagree with me here >>121509891

If you're criticism is that I just want the Ebon Hawk in the game, then my retort is that your arguement is that you don't want the Ebon Hawk in the game and doesn't hold substance either because of your raging anti-boner for it.

>Is it not iconic enough that we've already had two fucking ebon hawk clones in this game?

Both of those are the same ship, and those ships plus the Ebon Hawk are inspired by the Millinium Falcon. Just like how The Emporer is based of Palpatine, just like how the Sith are based off Darth Maul and Vader and Dooku with the red lightsabers, just like how the jedi use blue and green lightsabers. Just like how the sith use lightening because sheev did.

That's just how Star Wars is, it's a series of iconcism and references that build on themselves.
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just joined a "meme RP" guild. what am i in for?
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