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>Get fired after Big Boss bankrupts the PF you work for
>Join another PF
>Made to wear skimpy outfits for some pasty neet to show other pasty neets
when do the Patriot AIs get made again?
If I could be serious for a minute. I'd like to remind you that what's canon and what isn't canon isn't really a big deal.
>Ocelot will never curl up and fall asleep against you while you watch a western.
Reminder to give your daily prayer to our Lord and Savior Venom Snake
post gay cowboy
>send boss out on a mission to rescue a bioengineer
>he can make futuristic prosthesis that work just as well as the real thing
>the rescue is successful and he starts working for us at mother base
>i can finally regain my mobility
>spends all his time making stupid rocket arms and shit
>mfw it's been a few months and i'm still hobbling around on a peg leg and crutch with no arm
Anybody managed to get wizzed on by DD yet?
>the novel is not canon
>quiet is alive
>big boss and ocelot are not gay
>the sky is blue
>tfw I want gf to cosplay Quiet in a sexual way but a) she has small tits and b) I don't want her to know I've been getting off in my head to a vidya
You guys are alright. Don't head to the Quarantine platform tomorrow
>these are literally the only gay posts
Why do you keep coming by reminder anon?
Are you ok? Are you trapped in a time loop?
Letting people know your opinion is ok, but other people have a right to theirs too.
>The novel is not canon
>Quiet is alive
>Big Boss and Ocelot are not gay
>The sky is blue
Technically incorrect, it actually has no color. It looks blue because blue light is scattered in all directions by the tiny molecules of air in Earth's atmosphere. Blue is scattered more than other colors because it travels as shorter, smaller waves.
>Water is wet
4/5 not bad
mate i'm trying to help you you don't need to hurt my feelings
I want to listen to the boss music but can't find any
Don't encourage him, neither you or anyone else are correct. Your only making people post garbage.
And if you're one of anons who complains about that, you should know better.
Its in the OP, check under the timeline and epilogues, chapter 1 and 2.
There's a calendar on the wall to the right when you wake up. Only a couple of weeks pass before you get out of the hospital, yet the game very clearly states you escape on November 4.
how did miller cook with one arm missing and the other one needing to hold a crutch?
>lean against wall
not difficult concept
isn't that dangerous while cooking? especially while trying to create the perfect burger?
my assumption was he had help from his personal staff.
They were too good for us. We chased them all away, and now they're gone for good.
That picture is inappropriate for this thread.
Ocelot isn't beat into submission, that's incredibly out of character.
Decoy aren't that useful outside of that no, but they are fun to mess around with.
I like luring guards with a decoy and then let the C4 party begin.
ask model swap anon, he's some kind of magician
Sometimes its fun to embellish characters a little.
It's unlikely he ever wore cowboy boots and leopard print-panties to bed because Big Boss thought it was cute and sexy, but still. Its fun to think about.
When does the patch actually take effect?
Also, I main infiltrator and am actually excited for parts of the nerf desu. Maybe now there will be fewer infiltrators, making us less expected and hence more able to play stealthily. And for the love of god, I hope their talk of machine guns includes standard rifles like the am whatever the fuck it is. Shotguns and smgs are MORE than enough for lethal equipment.
I don't think they should have cut camo length AND lengthened recharge AND lowered health more AND gotten rid of CQC icon though. Seems like over-nerfing to appease people.
Also, e.locators being solely for scouts will be awesome. I like to play scout so that and a few of the other buffs (like less sway) should make it a more viable class. Plus, just fewer e.locators flying everywhere. That said, watch Scout become the new Infil.
Also bless Konami LA or whoever it is working on MGO for weakening Walker Gears. Fuck them for making Enforcer even more of a tank just because I hate tank classes in any game.
Finally, after the swimsuits came out, got the color green enforcer one, and just ascended to thrice on my Scout (giving me 50K GP), I can finally cosplay Cammy
The only embellishing I'd like of Ocelot are the parts of his character that have been left out of the story.
But that sort of thing is what keeps the fanbase going so, what can I do.
I really enjoy what Ocelot has to say about the rare captures.
>>(i don't think they should've) gotten rid of the CQC icon
>Defending in C&D
>Run up stairs, see icon pop up
>Dive and shoot the attacker that was crouched behind a crate
You talk of stealth but don't want to remove the one thing that gives it away?
i think the CQC button being removed is a bandaid for the bad netcode. they figure if people don't have the prompt they're less bound to initiate a CQC chain that will lag the game out.
It's interesting; she lives in one of the most expensive to live places in the world, but is well-off enough to travel, so she's certainly not roughing it, but you look at all the Souls twitchfags for example, who wouldn't dream of removing their sub buttons. Do they need that money to live? Does the Joost?
Is it just a woman's psychology to appease, or is the Joost actually a cool chick, who understands that she actually streams infrequently enough that a monthly sub truly wouldn't be worth the price, or is she even just saying that as a rationalization to her acquiescence to the will of her followers?
Maybe the Joost is actually a bretty cool chick.
Please don't start in with this nonsense.
How would a game starting Ocelot play?
I don't think it could play as a typical entry in the series.
How would interrogations be handled?
MODEL SWAP ANON HOW DO I SWAP QUIET FOR BIG BOSS LIKE THIS PICTURE PLZ
Cataracts, will you be his eyes?
These DD girls are god damn ninjas!
>throw a couple onto the Medical area's "Peace" platform
>they stand around awkwardly as long as I watch them
>look away for a second and they both jump up to the roof somehow
I get your point but A) the distance with it is screwy to begin with B) they are allegedly narrowing the field from which grabs and such work, so it will be a weird adjustment to have new fields AND no icon.
Buddy spawn, wormhole, cqc, sleep grenade, stun grenade clusterfucks might get a little less awful and frequent, yeah. Plus, am I crazy, or did I read something about lower grenade counts and enforcers being the only class with launcher unlocks?
I mean, when you combine the enforcer machine guns, ridding classes like infiltrator of some heavier weapons (which I agree with), lower sway, and higher health all coming with the patch, they could be a bit of a pain in the ass now.
Id fucking love a game where you play as Ocelot.
Would you like it to be set in a specific period, or jump around the MG timeline? I always thought it'd be pretty cool to have a game in which he discovered his parentage.
I'm not the one being literally keked senpai. Superior input, superior games, superior communities, superior hardware, superior people while you fiddle with a lump of plastic and deal with minorities
it'd probably be embedding yourself in various military and intelligence organizations and infiltrating them to get specific information. honestly it'd probably be a lot like Hitman, much less action oriented.
Because they spent so much money to constantly get the shit end of the stick on multi-plats, because they still think it is 2005 and PC has any real benefits outside of modding, piracy, and MUH FPS
>le b8 m8 xddd
its okay you can debate with real men, you'll grow up one day
That comes down to preference.
How many PC exclusives come out per year now outside of some random shit on Steam?
This I understand.
Who gives a shit when you get screwed on the game-front CONSTANTLY. Delays, bugs, etc. based on games being primarily rooted in consoles now.
And see, "fiddle with a lump of plastic and deal with minorities" definitely makes you sound like some 16 y/o fedora-clad edgelord.
How are these not monumental benefits?
You don't even need to pirate nowadays, sites are tripping over themselves offering deals on digital PC games.
I think it'll make cqcing a more skillful mechanic. The game appeases to shitters enough already, i'm glad they're removing the icon and reducing the cqc distance. At least now players will actually have to get close to their opponent as opposed to magically pulling them from a short distance.
>Would you like it to be set in a specific period, or jump around the MG timeline? I always thought it'd be pretty cool to have a game in which he discovered his parentage.
Then you might be looking for something set right after or before MGS3. It would be perfect right after MGS3 because you have him researching interrogation. Perfect way to squeeze in a way of leveling up your skill in that field.
I also wouldn't mind seeing Ocelot in a suit and tie busting ass for Langley.
Maybe something that focuses entirely on gathering intel? Like how you gather documents in MGSV. Listening to conversations, except you have a extremely small amount tools at your disposal. And you can even trick others into some of the dirty work for you.
Genuinely, though. Why didn't guncat get his own game? He's the boss' kid.
No, if you look at the model for Kaz right after you rescue him his open eye is fine.
He might have developed it from the bright sun in Afghanistan. Regardless, he can still see to an extent, and it's a condition that can easily be fixed but he refuses, because you know, he wants to force drama.
It's funny when Ocelot kind pokes fun as him for it and Kaz has a fit.
>mfw consolekid mad as fuck that he'll never experience games like Dota 2, Civilization, Crusader Kings, Vermintide, Arma, and so on
Quality over quantity child, its a fact that console children have ADHD and require a steady stream of shit, casual games to keep them occupied while waiting for the next normie game to come out.
As someone that plays on both PC and console, i find there's more chilled, laid back normies that are easy to get along with on consoles, as opposed to the condescending neckbeard tards like you on PC. You cunts are cancer to the community.
Why did everyone entrust the fate of the world to a old dying man?
Ocelot is the character that works behind the curtain. He surprises everyone and puts events into motion you don't become aware of until later.
Which is the charm, but Ocelot needs his own character development. I mean, from seeing how he really feels during a situation.
Why? He is set up perfectly for it, him being The Boss's son is a prime example of this.
But you either have him stay the mysterious anti-hero or give him the spotlight, it's not possible to do both.
Making a game of him would need to find a balance, and I don't think it would be easy.
I'm starting to think this PC mustard rice shitposter is worse than the gay posters.
>the pinnacle of team-based online competitive gameplay
>the very best coop horde game available on the market being keked from consolekids AS WE SPEAK
>the most realistic, advanced milsim title to have ever existed
>"I need to go grind drops on le Destiny while waiting for Fallout 4 and le new BLOPS, have you seen the graphics :O!!!" t. consolekid
I honestly thought the fagposting had gotten pretty bad in /mgg/ (well, worse than usual, there's always been a modicum of that stuff in /mgg/, for years, TPP certainly exacerbated it though) but I realized the state of our general was fucking golden, almost looking like a goddamn paradise compared to /utg/, the cringiest shitfest of furries I'd ever seen. A shame, the game is mediocre and by no means terrible really, and wouldn't stand out much at all but then the furry fandom and tumblr got their claws into it and now it's just shit.
It's like that Quiet Tumblr pic that always gets posted. Tumblr got its hands a little bit on Medal Gear but thankfully it wasn't overwhelming like it was for Undertale
I like you. Thanks for verbalizing how I felt about him. That absolutely is his charm. He's so subtle, so understated, and there's so much we don't know about how he thinks and feels.
I can't help but suspect a game trying to shed light on it would leave me disappointed.
I also love that picture, Sorrow and Joy are my absolute jam.
Nice weather today to be honest family
>the very best coop horde game available on the market being keked from consolekids AS WE SPEAK
>When does the childrens MGO beta end? I'm tired of watching slow controller aiming.
Vermintide on PC first is Orc-like keking, but MGO is a beta. I smell jelly.
It's really just one person who tries to blow up some console wars out of nowhere, it's painfully obvious because a calm thread suddenly ""blows up"" out of nowhere with tons of people just waiting for a moment to throw in their two cents, until it literally flatlines until the next time to post console war bait.
Either one dedicated shitposter who likes to bait from both sides or two or so /v/ kiddies who can't stop going at eachother nonstop. We all know on /vg/ the consolewar bullshit has never been a big issue, but really, console or PC I don't think most posters or lurkers here really give two shits about what another anon is playing with.
Intentional, of course. Kojima (Fukushima) is God.
>I can't help but suspect a game trying to shed light on it would leave me disappointed.
Unless a director/writer was put on the case who could find that balance. Kojima would just play him out the same way he always has, that or not want to do a game like that at all. So it would have to be someone else.
I think it's a shame Ocelot's potential at a really heart pulling story is being wasted though.
And his skill set leaves a lot of gameplay elements to the imagination.
i think the torture scenes are due to Kojima liking Leone films. in his movies there's always a scene where the hero (or heroes) get beaten to a pulp by the sadistic villain and his gang, and then the hero rises up from his injuries, overcomes and beats the bad guy.
for better or worse they could take the Venom approach where we don't really know much more about the character than when we started. or we're aware the character is Ocelot, but he's always in-character as his undercover role, even going so far to keep in-character when talking to his radio contacts if he'd even have them.
>extreme metallic archea
>decide to wait for skullfag to do machete move so i can counter
>counter button prompt never comes up
>die in 1 hit
I do though. Her voice actually has some emotion put into it. You can hear it wavering towards the very end, and she sounds like she's about to break into tears. In english she just sounds like she's reading a script with no emotion whatsoever.
>on second to last platform
>defender shows up
>stick to cover, neutralize guards, and try to get a lock on him
>he's sticking to cover as well, all I can identify him by is the barrel of his gun
>get to the walkway underneath him and try to squeeze a shot through his cover
>miss, counter sniped, killed
God damn it, that was
Mosquito is the true MSF MVP.
Venom a shit.
Alligator also a shit.
>Eva died burning alive
What the fuck is wrong with Kojima, who thought that was a good way to let one of the Patriots die like that?
>Hating Quiet/Joost is a meme normies use to sound cool
More like a meme neckbeards use because those faggots are always about having edgy opinions. They're probably the same fags that go on about how mgsv is so bad.
She died the same way Big Boss "died"?
Youre a diamond, anon. Don't even worry about it.
>>The best moments happen so fast
>Sitting in the ACC waiting for defence alerts to pop up while i browse mgg and shit, just to get my daily dose of pvp
>tfw mgo finally came out
>big boss climbing the ladder
>skull face behind BB, playing "snake eater"
It was Big Boss ALL ALONG.
can you guys stop posting that thing
Are cuties ok?
Ocelot and EVA were just waiting for him to come out as a surprise.
The general had sped up extremely quick the past few days.
thanks mgo bikini posters
You know you're just inviting it when you complain right?
i bet she gives great hugs
the gook who used BB to build a private business and decided to join with cipher after BB goes to build something to fight Cipher and forgets the fact Cipher cost him the MSF base and men 9 years ago, and hates BB even when he send one of his best men to help him?
Talking about shit taste, even for a faggot.
Kaz was just a used and abused human being.
Speaking of DD, anyone here ever own a shih tzu?
This pupper is part shih tzu and it's really throwing me off from buying him because he's part shit breed.
It's not fucking fair!
She deserved better than that!
So did Ocelot
The two of them shared the same fate and were scorned by the same man.
>No one in this series is perfect except maybe Otacon.
Or Raiden, or Sunny, or the team Mei Ling or Holly, or Meryl from MGS1.
>Kaz was just a used and abused human being.
Yeah, let's betray your best friend even when he send his best man to save you, and forgive the guys who killed your men, destroyed your base and are the reason you don't have an arm and leg.
Nice try but Horan did a perfect job of an OTT villain. Just look at Skull Face's Japanese voice actor's performance and you'll see how he totally nailed the voice direction, just because it's a meme doesn't mean he gave a bad performance overall.
He can pretend he is american, but in the end he is a gook son of a prostitute.
Which only reason is relevant is because BB decided to not kill him in Colombia.
and like a gook he was greedy, and he end it up paying for that.
Can you blame him? He thought he was taking Zero and Big Boss for a ride.
He just wanted to create a business that would bring the world together.
He had a hard life.
>Can you blame him? He thought he was taking Zero and Big Boss for a ride.
Yeah, he created what in the future would be PMCs and the war economy.
>He just wanted to create a business that would bring the world together.
He wanted to create a business that's all. He didn't cared about anything except profit, he even said it, he is not ally or enemy.
>He had a hard life.
Because he brought all those problems to himself, there's nobody to blame except him
BB never wanted MSF to grow that much.
>Blondes no longer farm-able through prisoner extraction side ops.
It should pop up for all except the lazy looking attacks they do standing right next to you, you should just dodge those ones because the positioning has to be perfect to get the icon.
friend, you need to get better suppliers, tumblr has a lot of ocelot at a good price - if you know what i'm saying.
i'm saying ocelot is a cute
Because when you get old you lose all your charm and become a burden. Solid flirting with Mei Ling and Meryl during Shadow Moses made the girls wet. But as a old man he was just being an ass.
You guys are pretty convincing. Pic related is my second option, purebred JRT.
Why's that anon? I need to know what i'll be getting myself into.
>rescuing a qt prisoner
>decide to take out all the guards and chopper extract
>last guy is far away so I put the prisoner down and shut off the power generator
>he walks towards it but notices the prisoner near some bushes
>"Why you... you'll get yours!"
>starts beating the prisoner
What the fuck man.
You can't honestly admit it was good voice acting, though. It really wasn't. I'm not a fan nor a hater of Quiet in particular, but considering that the quality of the voice acting, at least for V, for more 'serious' and toned, I was actually shocked at how poor it was. She's obviously a novice not coming from any place of experience really just being a model for whatever the fuck, and a lot of that can be blamed on the direction, but it just wasn't good by any stretch of the imagination. I went in expecting everybody to be lying or overblowing how 'bad' it was, and it really was just not good. It wasn't like mind blowing terrible, but like I said, it just wasn't all that great either. The line delivery for things like 'adjust to your right' sounded so off-putting and not in person, like half the lines were recorded one day and the other half another and they just cut them all in for the one scene.
I dunno. Either way, it's not because I hate Joost. I'm really indifferent, but it's a shame her one real big delivery had to come and be just so poor. By comparison, her conversation with Code Talker wasn't too bad at all, I felt it fit for the most part.
Absolutely not, he beats other people up!
He really cared about Big Boss though didn't he? When Kaz felt betrayed by him, Cipher barely even mattered, he just wanted to get even with Big Boss. Kaz would never feel like strongly if he didn't care.
adopt a mutt from a shelter you awful person, don't buy a purebred
sure he is a sadist and tortures them for fun but you can't tell me with a straight face that he doesn't like getting roughed up too. i don't think he could not want that ever since big boss kicked his ass when they first met.
Guys, how long until we get more single player content at a reasonable price?
I think the directions lines were the only iffy ones and more because they kind of overplayed that part? They could have had less.
She sounded fine, even good, when talking to Pequod I thought.
Most, if not all sheltered dogs where i live are bull terriers or some other; big dogs that no one wanted. I'd adopt them but my situation only allows for a smaller breed.
Your input was still appreciated anon
wtf hahaha do you love him at least?
>He really cared about Big Boss though didn't he?
Well he cared so much like doing shady shit behind BB back, which Snake knew it was going to blow in their faces
>When Kaz felt betrayed by him, Cipher barely even mattered
Which doesn't make sense, that gook felt betrayed because BB is doing some other stuff to stop Cipher, and he sended it his best man to save Kaz and support him, and he acts like a fucking child because the real BB wasn't there.
>he just wanted to get even with Big Boss.
Yeah, he wanted to get even fucking gook, he doesn't see the real BB but a dude that saved him and killed the man who destroyed MSF and all what he cares is having the real BB, what a fucking baby.
>Kaz would never feel like strongly if he didn't care.
Yeah, he also cared when he talks once again with Zero because he though Zero betrayed him.
Kaz doesn't have the right to complaing, all the bad shit that happen to him it was his fault, and the only thing he did was fucking the things even more.
Holy shit somebody actually remade it!
the absolute MAD MAN
I want Punished Paramedic to
>I think the directions lines were the only iffy ones and more because they kind of overplayed that part? They could have had less.
>They could have had less
Fucking this. That chopper would have been doing 900s with how many turns and shit there were.
She sounded broken and without confidence, it made sense to me when I heard her. It was a good performance given the context.
I was not expecting some strong eloquent voice like the Boss or Eva.
They must, I can get her hair style but it's now a washed out brown colour.
>a sadist and tortures them for fun
>he likes torturing others
Come on now anons, you know that's not true too. It's interrogation, not Para Medic's fun house.
I don't know anon, according to BB it was hell being in the lab.
Poor guy, he was all burned and with missing pieces but alive, and he wasn't able to do anything because on the induced coma by nanomachines and the worse fact about it is that BB says he was still conscious.
Probably Para-Medic made him see a bunch of vampire movies, and she got turn on by the suffering of Snake.
reminder that only 2 chapters were ever planned
nigga he was basically erect when naked snake was being interrogated/tortured
What are the chances of MGS1 thru PW coming to PC?
And you're right anon, but sometimes you hurt the people you care about the most.
Kaz isn't the only victim of Big Boss's ideals.
>find out you can develop the rocket arm
>find out it can be used to knock people out from afar
>see fist fly forward and smash into someones face and knock them out.
>I now know the best mission to do this with
>White Mamba mission
>send rocket fist into nigglet's faces over and over again
>sides hurt from laughing so much
>my inner racist has been quenched
Seeing that nigglet fall onto his back had me in tears.
Youre right. He wants those big rough american hands to go to work on his little ruski self.
I don't think touching your chest is the same as getting a boner. Have you considered maybe Ocelot was inspired by Snake's determination to resist that treatment?
That was probably the first person Ocelot witnessed who withstood Volgin without budging.
But it was Kaz who hurt BB, he did stuff behind his back which Snake knew it was going to have really bad consequences.
Snake goes for one hour to Camp Omega and when he is back all MSF is gone,
In TPP something similar happen, Kaz is really incompetent to handle a base besides their profit of the place, we got raid by mosquito, wasn't able to watch over Liquid and his friends taking Sally.
Pretty much Snake leaves Kaz behind protected by his most loyal man, and he goes apeshit.
I mean if we were talking about Ocelot would be different, but not in the case of Kaz
even kaz noticed his torture boner, come on
Kaz isn't the best person to ask for the opinion of others. He's suspicious of everyone.
He barely let Ocelot catch a break.
Anon, that's inspiration not sexual desire.
now you're just trolling. it's 100% canon ocelot is a sadist.
Anon, it's fine if you think that but you shouldn't press your opinion on others like that.
Ocelot is very clear in his view about interrogation in MGSV.
She was a big weeaboo, so yeah. she probably was able to complete all her sexual fantasies from her chinese cartoons with BB.
>in a lawless laboratory
>with access to an endless supply of aphrodisiac drugs and augmentative surgeries
>and at the mercy of lonely Dr Clark's voracious appetites
Don't be such a chickenshit, anon.
EVA wore a black bikini top better I think.
The James Bond girl look is classy.
>Hey Dr. Clark, I see you've spent an awful lot of money developing some sort of robotic tentacle that can specifically choke people into submission
>I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING! IT'S FOR SOLIDUS I SWEAR.
Are the Acid games worth a playthrough from a fan service and
badass long haired Snakeperspective?
Hold up guys. Those reports said Kojima left Konami on Oct. 9th.
But on his twitter on Oct. 12th he posted a picture of him in his office.
What if Konami really was telling the truth?
Man, what if the mother of Solidus was Dr.Clark, she is sick enough to try what she did in Les Enfants Terribles with herself.
Some impregnation fetish of some stuff.
>I have your baby inside me, John.
BB is lucky for not knowing stuff like that.
Social media directors will take a bunch of photos and prepare a bunch of material and then set them to be released automatically over a certain amount of days to maximize their exposure at a minimum of effort.
>upgrade to blast arm
>unaware this makes your running punch lethal too
I don't know anon, I prefer when she was just a cute medic who loved movies.
Not a crazy scientist who probably fucking the burned body of BB using stuff like nanomachines and parasites, meanwhile Snake was just screaming in his mind in fear.
This isn't kamiya we're talking about, I'm sure he nudges the social media producer in the ribs now and then to push "farewell sausage" out quick but the rest is probably smoke and mirrors.
Would a training montage between Ocelot and Big Boss post MGS3 have been an interesting flashback to see in MGSV?
I would have been a nice opportunity for some comic relief the game was lacking.
That's true, but I feel guilty for having a boner thinking in burned BB screaming in agony and Dr.Clark screaming in pleasure.
I mean, I love Naked Snake(I also like BB, but not so much) and Para-Medic when she was an innocent medic who talked with snake in the radio, so why I'm getting so hard thinking in BB geting used by Dr.Clark?
>I didnt know you could be so talkative Quiet
Pequod is the best character in the game
there's a clearly scientific reasoning here: it's hot.
i wouldn't blame anyone for taking advantage of a comatose big boss's body plus in the end he deserved it.
ocelot is described so many times in so many games as loving torture it's undeniable
>there's a clearly scientific reasoning here: it's hot.
Yeah, I guess I shouldn't deny it.
>i wouldn't blame anyone for taking advantage of a comatose big boss's body plus in the end he deserved it.
Now I'm thinking in Para-Medic talking with BB about how she is going to spend the rest of the afternoon just using BB's body for her pleasure, meanwhile John just moves around like saying no more.