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>Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final announced
http://megaten4f.jp/

>More information about Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final
http://pastebin.com/Kj5FyHCY

>Shin Megami Tensei IV: Final Trailer 1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39SuZbvv9vY

>Starter guide
http://i.imgur.com/zJcYpuE.png

>Tips and tricks
http://pastebin.com/qqxkrWFh

>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads
http://pastebin.com/Np1ng1kx

>New OST links
http://pastebin.com/kLbYxjFU

>Misc. translations
http://pastebin.com/LHKVLNQB

>Booru
http://smtg.booru.org/

>Recommended reading
http://pastebin.com/YppqPPjf

>Previous Thread
>>120702213
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SMT IV worst SMT
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why is there no good porn of isabeau?
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This picture is bad and you should feel bad for posting it.

Anyway
Can someone remind me the big dungeon at the start of Soul Hackers? It was some sort of training ground, floors were blocked depending on your power or something if I remember correctly. Where is it?
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>>120956504
It's the Hotel. It's at sea or something.
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>>120956415
Because she's not from Persona.
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>>120956415
>why is there no good porn of walter?

There, I fixed that for you.
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>>120956504
>>120956565
Is the Sea Ark hotel really a dungeon?

I thought it was just a safe spot for grinding, recruiting and healing if you felt like doing it, and for the endgame dungeon.
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I

KU

no
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>>120957029
It's for grinding. It archives the demons from each dungeon on each floor.
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>>120957029
I just want to re-learn the game because I forgot everything and don't want to start over yet
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>>120957149
I had no idea of that. I guess it'll come in handy for when I decide to do the endgame dungeon.
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>>120956323
>can still see his scarf

aw man
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>>120957013
>>120956415
>tfw that Hikaru and Jonathan doujin will never ever be scanned
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>>120958123
Why don't you seek it out and buy it instead of whining about it every other thread?
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>>120956415
>You will never impregnate and have lots of children with Isabeau
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>>120958665
Isabeau is shit waifu material anyways.
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>>120958665
>Implying humans can get monkey pregnant
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>>120958841
>implying

I bet your waifu is Zelenin or Nemissa
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>>120958841
I thought she was cute and a likable character.
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>>120958665
I don't think she'd make a very good mom
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Why do people say Cielo is useless on the first game and awesome on the second one?
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fuck smirk
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>>120960834
It's a little spoilery: In the second game you have a revolving door party and Cielo sticks with you the longest
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>>120960834

Better stat distribution and his ailment weakness isn't as bad.
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Soul Hackers fag from the other thread here
I give up, I'll have to start the game over to remember all the shit, my stats and demons are fine and I know where I'm supposed to go but I can't get back into it.

Which means it's time to forget about it for now and try out Digital Devil Saga
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>>120962425
I can't find the subscribe button for this blog?
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>>120962425
DDS is pretty fun
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DH6rFrXThZs

How come we didn't get trailers like this and just got halfassed ones instead?
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>>120964668
Atlus tried really hard to push DeSu 2, huh?
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>>120964668
>Jungo's voice actually fits him
I'm still laughing at how he sounds in English.

>>120965056
It could have worked if they didn't fuck up with that misleading no-fun-allowed anime.
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>>120964668
that trailer is for an updated port, there was a lot more they could put in the trailer without spoiling shit. Also, we're still 4 months from the JP release so we get the good trailers right before release.
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>>120962425
Every time.

Now you won't play it until a year later, or maybe even more.
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>>120965221
I'm talking about Japanese trailers vs NA/European ones.
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>>120965641
oh, because Atlus doesn't care about anything outside of japan
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>>120956325
>SJ worst SMT

Agreed.
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>>120969186
It's actually the best one if you aren't a law"brainwashing"fag or chaos"fuck everyone"fag.

That neutral ending was very mature and epic, you finally understand the meaning of being a human, that you are imperfect, but the balance between order and freedom is the only correct choice.

Also, who is insane enough to choose angels or demons in place of your own race?
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So, I unlocked the Angel fights. I know that one is still in the EGG Facility, and that I have to fight them before I go to the Airport, otherwise I can't do them again. Can someone tell me where the others are, and if there are any other special bosses I can go do before I leave for the Airport?

Also, Serph is level 41 while everyone else is 48, if that affects anything. Also doing hard mode.
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>>120970046
>Also, who is insane enough to choose angels or demons in place of your own race?
>>>/v/315078104
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>>120970046
>Actually going neutral
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Haven't seen anyone confirm it yet, but it looks like the stats haven't changed from IV to Final. I can't read moon but side by side the characters look the same. This means we still have Str and Dex, yet no Vit.
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>>120970046
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>>120970491
>Flynn gets a 3D model
>Edgekun gets a portrait

Does this mean no more fashion?
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>>120970697
>Does this mean no more fashion?
I hope not. Dress-up was one of the best things about IV
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>>120970697
Highly doubt it
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>>120970697
The level up screen uses the artwork, the status menu screen uses the 3d model.
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>>120970512
When does say say that?
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>>120971485
beginning of the game, when you're all on the roof admiring mikado
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>>120970491
Edgekun's canon name is Nanashi? It is what is written on his name.
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>>120972901
It means Nameless you stupid fuck.
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>>120973034
FUCK
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>>120970491
>ナナシ\
Edge-kun is foreign?
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>>120977346
Are you pretending to be retarded?
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>>120977476
He probably doesn't know that much about moon runes. In beginner moon courses they tell you katakana are used for foreign words and onomatopoeia.
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>>120977476
It was a joke, calm down.
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>we'll never fight demons in the name of Allah
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>>120980450
Sure you can. Just go law.
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>>120964668
>Atlus removed Providence the final battle version off of youtube.
Damn it Atlus. It's so good though and I don't want to go through the story again just to face Canopiss.

>Have to go to tumblr just to listen to it
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>>120970491
I assume STR might tie into DEF now so it isn't as useless as it was in the original.
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>>120983894
Can't you download the OST?
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>>120984072
That's quite an assumption since the entire system in SMT4 was hinged on the idea of there only being offense stats, and 'defense' being controlled only through resists and buffs or RNG based things(agility dodging).

I thought it was a MAJOR improvement since nobody invested in Vitality seriously anyway unless they ran out of other things to put it in(i.e. all the games where MC couldn't use magic, and were more boring because of it)

What I'm more concerned about is what, if any routes are going to be in SMT4F? Edgekun doesn't seem like he could become a lawfag, so I'm a bit afraid it's gonna be like Nocturne in the 'Chaos is the only fun one so we'll give you shitty reasons that all fall under Chaos instead'
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DDS2 question, do I need to care about which bonuses I put in every ring? Should I just save them to put them in end-game rings?
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>>120985362
Put rare gems into end game rings. Others for anything you need help with stat wise.
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>>120984737
Based on the way they talked about it in the NicoNico stream, it seems like instead of the traditional LNC system, they're focusing more on 'Monotheism', 'Polytheism', 'Deicide', and likely some other 4th option related to Humanity or 'Rejection'. Daguza seems to be the advocate for Deicide, and Vishnu for 'Polytheistic Group' (for lack of a better word), but it's not clear yet whether the Monotheistic side will be divided up into separate halves for Lucifer and YHVH.
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>>120985661
Are gems limitted or can you get as many of them as you want?
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>>120985668
So those are like Demifiend markings
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>>120985918
Seems milder than his were, but something like that, yeah.
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>>120980450
You do that in every law route in SMT except II though, are you retarded?
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>>120985875
I think in the last dungeon enemies start dropping em everywhere.
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>>120984737
They've already added a new debuff of stats for battles.
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>>120985918
They mark him as Dagda's bitch.

>>120985668
It's Dagda.
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>>120986970
Ah, I see. Wasn't sure what the proper romanisation was for that.
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I wonder why Dadga wants to kill every demon even thought he is one of them.
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>>120987214
He's already dead. He meets the protag in the underworld.
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>>120987214
Look up what deicide means.
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>>120987457
I hope you aren't seriously this retarded.
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>>120985668
That doesn't sound entirely terrible, depending on the context. Still worried about the design of the MC, it honestly doesn't seem very congruent with SMT4, it's even a little edgy for a Chaos hero.

Also, no shotas pls
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>>120987779
I answered that he's dead. Nothing else.
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>>120987878
I don't think the motorcycle jacket-esque design is all that bad, the different patches and logos give off an almost Akira vibe and the shoes/pants remind me of DDS. I just don't like how young he looks.

The strange is, the art style in some of the cutscenes (?) is pretty different from that main piece of art, both for MC and his friend, so maybe Doi isn't doing those.
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I hope I can work with the fairies without having to help Hindu/Buddhists. Nothing against them, I just wanna go full fairfolk
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DAN numbers...
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>>120989717
My sides
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>>120989717
So it sold like shit?
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>>120989717
Who's Dan?
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>>120988169
Yes, which is something a retard would say.
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>>120989717
that looks like that's from a website that users sign up for and display their achievements or something

cause I know for a fact persona 4 golden sold way more than 52k copies.
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>the dome was made because time travel
>the archangels were sealed because time travel
This bootstraps shit is retarded.
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>>120990657
The dome wasn't made by time travel. There legitimately was a previous incarnation of Flynn who merged with Masakado and created it.
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>>120990175
What? Dagda even died in myth and he's a skeleton wearing armor.
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>>120990220
Yes, PSN Profiles.
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>>120991609
Yeah. It's not a sales report or anything. That being said, it's still represents some copies sold, and 2.5k is mighty low. I doubt DAN sold more than 50k outside of Japan.
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>>120960834
He's useless in dds1 because ailments have a huge hit rate and are used reguarly in that game and his weakness to them just makes it worse.
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>>120990783
>The dome wasn't made by time travel.
I'm going to believe the game over a retard on 4chan.
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>>120994586
I think in game there's actually backstory about where it came from that contradicts the time travel mission though.
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>>120991364
>a demon is in the underworld which means it died
That's not how shit works, it's a stupid statement.
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>>120989717
JPN version.

Is P4G PAL and NA separate trophies then?
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Why is TDE considered chaos? Just because Lucifer?

Instead of being a useless asshole who just resets the world so it happens again or a tyrannical asshole who wants to make a shit world you try to rebel against the system and free all of creation of this bullshit.
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>>120996321
Because individual worlds have structures and rules in a way. If you destroy all human worlds, and have the people just kind of exist outside them, the reality would probably end up more like strange journey's dark world.

I think the real question is why was lucifer trying to destroy the world in nocturne. It doesn't match well with his usual gaian earth worshipping religion.
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>>120996321
Which is why Chaos is best route, glad you came to realize that.
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>>120996321
Because you become a demon and join Lucifer's army to destroy god? Like, it's pretty overtly stated that you're going to do battle with YHVH.
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>>120996945
>Like, it's pretty overtly stated that you're going to do battle with YHVH.
So actions are all that matter, reason has nothing to do with it?
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>>120997108
All routes in Nocturne are Chaos.
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>>120996945
So? Law and chaos as terms aren't defined relative to gods. they're ideologies that the demons usually hold, but which in certain games like nocturne are mixed up. No one thinks that fallens in nocturne are acting very chaotic.
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>>120997108
Pretty much. If you want to create a more peaceful world by killing god and overturning the power structure, it's still a chaotic action even if your thought is benevolent.
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>>120997190
Except for the fact they're all law outside TDE.
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>>120997318
No. In an interview they said all the characters are different forms of chaos.
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>>120997318
How on earth is Yosuga law?
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>>120997403
They're all following the rules of creation provided to them by the Great Will (law), even if their reasons are forms of Chaos. Nocturne doesn't neatly fit into alignments.
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Just started Nocturne for the first time about 4-5 hours ago. I was playing Strange Journey before but damn, Nocturne is fun.
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>Finally got a 3DS (well 2DS used from Nintendo)
>Finish SMT IV
>Patiently wait for Soul Hackers to go on sale as people say Atlus games go on sale on Eshop all the time
>Soul Hackers is $10
>Nintendo eShop is down

I'm pissed desu. How long do eShop sales stay active
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>>120997417
How is it not?
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>>120997530
That still makes their reasons Chaotic. That's like saying that every ending in SJ is Chaos because they all utilize the Schwarzwelt which is chaotic. It doesn't really work that way.
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>>120997190
Shijima and Freedom aren't chaos.
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>>120997709
Because it's a world where only the strong and powerful survive and prosper. I think Chiaki even calls it a world of strength.
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>>120997685
You can buy the physical game new for like $15.
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>>120997530
The great will isn't law. It isn't really anything other than a vague concept that demons in-universe anthropomorphize into agreeing with them. Since its the summation of reality, viewing reality as a unifies whole rather than its parts is metaphorically lawful.

Either way, law as defined by mainline games is not something you can say yosuga is, since it is the equivalent of mainline chaos, but only not called that since there's an even more meta chaotic seeming option. Its stupid to ask what alignment some things are in this context though, since as defined by mainline standards law and chaos mean specific things relative to eachother that break down when trying to also use other definitions of law and chaos and making vague options that skirt the line. Its arguing about semantics. They don't use the words law and chaos in that game for a reason. And its because it would be pointless to try to slot them in a way that makes no sense.
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>>120997685
The sales last like 2 weeks. I think you'll be fine.
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>>120997629
Where is the subscribe button for this blog?
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>>120999446
I LOVE this meme
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Is Persona Q worth $20?
I enjoy Etrian Odyssey
Persona is alright, not really my thing though
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>>121000327
It's designed for people who loved Persona 3 and/or Persona 4, so probably not.
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>>121000327
it's a very causal EO, if that sounds appealing then go for it
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>>121000413
Like Untold story mode casual? That isn't so bad.
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>>121000574
far more casual, it's made for the Persona 4 audience after all
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>>121000378
Really?

I went to /pg/ for like two threads and barely anyone mentions it.
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>>121001190
It was designed for that audience, it doesn't mean that audiences necessarily likes it. Plus it came out almost a year ago.
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>>121000574
>Put Naoto in your party
>Congratulations, you've won every non-boss/FOE encounter already.
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>>121001498
I'm not playing Persona without Naoto so fuck it.
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>>120997880
>Because it's a world where only the strong and powerful survive and prosper
And this conflicts with law where exactly?
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>>121001943
that nose disgusting
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>>121001943
What doujin is this referring to?
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>>120972901
>>120973034
>ナナシ
>名無し
>七死

Nanashi no Game sequel confirmed
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>>121002372
It's an original.
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So, I just beat SMT 1 for the first time. Man, that game is rough. Boss fights are a joke difficulty wise and the encounter rate is ridiculously high, especially near end game. I thought the story was cool, and it still had that classic demon fusing formula. But please tell me that SMT 2 is much better or else I don't know if I even want to bother.

Also I got the neutral end, how are the other SMT 1 endings?
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>>121003278
>Also I got the neutral end, how are the other SMT 1 endings?

They're basically the same. Instead of the old man, Lucifer/Michael come down and congratulate you for realizing their world of chaos/law, then the game ends. SMT2 is better.
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>>121003380
do they fix the problem where just about every boss can be beaten by stunlocking?
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>>121004030
Yeah, for the most part. Stun is still strong.
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>>120970112
One is at the processing plant/prison. One is at the big headquarters tower, and the one is in the EGG facility like you said. After you beat them, you can go back an area near where you start the game, the place where you can go outside and see the sky, and fight them all again. Once you fight them all again, the fourth one appears and once you beat them, it unlocks a new mantra.

I don't remember there being anymore hidden bosses before you go to the airport, so you should be able to run through those bosses and then head out.
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>>121003278

2 is 200x better. The art is way cooler, and actually stylized rather than looking like someone just couldn't afford anything more than a six year old with paint. The battles while still archaic are actually tolerable. The story is even better, and its just all around a better game.

>>121003380

Its not michael. Its just a mysterious unnamed blue robed messenger from god. Unless they indirectly imply it was michael without saying.
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>>120972901
It appears so, likely just the default one.

>>120973034
So? Most japanese names mean something, those are still names.
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>>121004380
Oh, maybe it was metatron or something
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>>121001943
monkeys shouldn't wear human clothes
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>>121003278
2 and KMT improve on 1 in every single way, it's one of the main reasons why everyone says you should play 1 before them, so you can appreciate how much better the later games were
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>>121002297
Because in law there's a strict hierarchy that everyone must adhere to. Everyone's basically a cog in the law machine. The weak are protected by the strong.
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>>121004707
I actually played 2 over half a decade ago, but 1 was so shitty I'm only now forcing myself to trudge through it.
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Megami Tensei the Mahou Shoujo series when?

>Five girls were chosen to save the world from demons and false gods with the power of love, friendship and magic! -and also with blessed ancient weapons and holy texts of every religion known to man
>each girl is from 5 different monotheism; zoroastrianism, vedism, judaism, christianity and islam
>with their comps, they transform into magical girls to eradicate the world of living magnetite amalgations summoned through the devil summoning program
>their comps allow them to summon digital angelic brings to combat the forces of chaos
>the main antagonist will be Lucifer and his demons
>followed by deicide of other beings like Izanami, Shiva, Ogun etc.
>mascot fairy is a cherub calling himself an avatar of yhvh plot twist will be that it is just another digital false idol just as the other demons who has been playing the human race for wars between theologies. This cause the girls to start working together with their once fought demon enemies to fight yhvh mascot an his army of angels
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>>121004569

You wanna fight, m8?
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>>121003278
Terrible.

SMT 2 has shit magic (Good luck dealing with Girimekhalas), has even more BS (Like you get level 20 enemies when you are like level 7), negotiation is a mess, and Mag is scarce as fuck.

Good story and improved fusion but thats it.
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>>121004847
I played the two at the same time and i had more enjoyment out of SMT 1 than 2.
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>>121005094
1 doesn't even have cutscenes. Conversations are like two seconds long. Whe chaos hero leaves law hero doesn't even have a line.
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>www.smt-dds.net is kill
Where did it all go wrong
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>>121005231
But negotiation was fun and magic was uselless crap, also didnt had to waste time fighting zombies to get mag.
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>>121005331
I can get on just fine.
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>>121002437
i thought that game already had a sequel
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>>121001943
Bring back drawfags
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>>121005331
>www
smt-dds.net works for me. Pascal is still there waiting for me.
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When are we getting vol 2 of Quantum Devil Saga dammit?

Are there fan translations?
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>>121005504
>>121005571
Oh, weird. It was showing a suspended page just a day ago.

I mean, it hasn't been updated properly in a year, but still. Kills my soul when that or the DDS forum never really took off enough to attract people to give more of a shit about SMT.
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>>121003278
>please tell me that SMT 2 is much better
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>>121005746
The translator said he got the go ahead, and that was the last update. I don't think it's been a year.
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>>121005748
I'd use other places but for some reason anonymous posting never took off for any English sites like it did 4chan.
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>>121006054
I WISH 4chan was less popular. Leave the retards to forums where retarded samefags can be easily identified.
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>never heard of dds net being a real website
>go there
>check the compendium
>go to Napaea
>Diarahan
>Megidolaon
>concentrate
what?
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>>121006219
The problem is while 4chan is too popular everywhere else is dead as fuck. There's no real in between.
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>>121006313
I think some of them are mixed up, Pixie's is correct but many of the fairies have incorrect skillsets. I don't know if the site owner still comes around here.
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>>121006406
This general isn't too populated. There is fuck all to discuss.
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>>121006547
I could answer questions about Devil Summoner 1 stuff
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>>121006680
When can I play Devil Summoner 1 in English?
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>>121006547
This general and some of the smaller boards are alright, but going to /a/ kinda sucks.
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>>121006547
There's plenty to discuss. There's just a few people here who don't want anything but new game information to be discussed, and so every time new people come they drive them off and have a dead general again. And so conversations go nowhere since no one hangs around. I think some of these people have legitimate autism. Not 4chn buzzword autism, but seriously. Since when asked why they have a problem with this, they literally have never provided a real answer, but insinuate that it should just be emotionally intuitive to everyone. This is how people with autism actually function, since they don't understand that random things they want aren't universal, but just personal desires, and so they don't understand that their own personal emotions are not a universal standard that matters to anyone else.
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>>121006783
I don't know, ask the translator guys or any desperate fools who want to translate it. It's not THAT hard to play though, I beat it on actual PSP hardware.
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>>121006783
When you bargain your soul for the opportunity with a demon.
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>>121006680
Is Rei in love with someone in particular? Is the MC gf aware of his state as Kyouji?
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Anyway Kaga is still alive in SMT IV Final somehow?
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>>121006912
>Implying

negotiation is a mess, i have beaten other japanese games withouth knowing moon but DS 1 is impossible witouth a negotiation translation at least.
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>>121007105
Nope.
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>>121007105
Only if Xi Wangmu isn't dead yet and I'm pretty sure it happens late game so doubt it.
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What ending should I shoot for in SMT 2? Neutral?
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>>121007018
Rei's just tsuntsun for Kouji but she's kind of frigid desu my senpai, you get more of a sense of that from SH I think.

As far as I know, no? She's more of a plot device and nobody will believe you about you being You. It might be discussed near the end of the story.

>>121007164
Explain how I did it only knowing how to read some hiragana/katakana nigga? The good thing is that most of the conversations are fairly repeatable, and if you don't want to deal with it, just grind magnetite and use the compendium in the PSP version. It's EZ mode but if you really can't deal with convos it works.

>>121006903
Chill nigger. I'm tired of hearing about this boogeyman. This is probably one of the more composed generals out there, when was the last time we had active shitposting?
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>>120987457
Out of all of edge-kuns friends, this is by far the most unassuming and least talked about ones. What do you guys think about him or what significance he has on the plot?

My gut says he is going to be a polygod fan and maybe even a demon/reincarnation of some god. You get him after your first companion (your childhood friend) or after Nozomi. Who would be the second friend to get.
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>>121007386
They're all pretty good.
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>>121007442
Everything about him screams non-human to me.
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>>121007437
>This is probably one of the more composed generals out there, when was the last time we had active shitposting?

When was the last time we had any posting before final? I pointed out that the general is dead since they drove everyone away. So you're asking about a completely different problem. This general is more or less worthless now.
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>>121007442
He's gotta be chaos. Fiery vest, wild look in his eye, painted nails...
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>>121007646
Then leave, buddy. So sick of hearing this whining about scary shitposters that apparently bullied this thread to death.
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>>121007247
Someone being eaten doesnt mean that someone dies.

>>121007386
Yes. It sucks to get alignment locked out of demon options.

>>121007437
>Knowing moon
No wonder you beat that game.

Shame about Rai and gf.
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Holy shit look at the ears. Their kind of pointy.
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Guy who's playing SMT4 as their first SMT here.

My luck with this game seems to be really good. One time I had a really Agi-heavy team, and then when I tired to round it out, the next boss was weak to Agi.

I'm all the way up to Shibuya now, trying to find that club.

SMT is a really good series, I'm glad I'm giving it a shot.

Also, going Law for the first time around, saving Neutral for NG+
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I just made it to Bootes in Strange Journey, any demon suggestions? I'm getting my ass handed to me and don't know what to move towards in terms of fusion.
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>>121007880 meant for
>>121007619
and>>121007442
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>>121007725
>>Knowing moon
>Implying
I can like, read about 10 kanji and can recognize a few words. It's like learning the alphabet and trying to understand full sentences. Devil Summoner works the same as SH, and if you can understand spells, items, and equipment you can get through most of it.
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>>121007725
>Someone being eaten doesnt mean that someone dies.
Anon I don't know what you're expecting to come from her being eaten aside from being turned into a smelly demon shit.

>>121007665
His jacket also has the kanji for evil on it IIRC. He's probably a chaos demon in disguise, maybe another disguise of Lucifer's.
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>>121007724
I did leave. I check back every once in awhile to find out whether its back yet. But that's like hoping to find an oasis in a desert. Better to just go by a place with real water able to be found.
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>>121008084
I don't have any reaction images on this new pc but pretend I posted a really exasperated picture
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>>121008048
I cant have spells with no demons.

>>121008050
I think you didnt saw that pic related movie.
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>>121008018
Moh Shuvuu

>>121008004
>law

Come, ye lifeless puppets of God! I shall snuff out your ostentatious lights.
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>>121008004
You chose wisely. The wired thing is that even though law is the best ending, some of the things that give you law points make no context in the sense of the ending.
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>>120984737
Speak for yourself.
I always max out vit for MCs without magic, and it is my second priority for physical oriented characters.
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>>121008231
>pic related movie
That movie ain't SMT though senpai.
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>>121008004
Law is best end desu
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>>121008004
Forgot to ask.

Should I keep giving updates like this, or is it too tired and beaten for yall?
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>>121008532

Go ahead.

>>121008262
>people still complaining about law.

No one has made a single viable argument against law since the beginning of the alignment wars. Even if you want to go by coolness and edginess factor it still wins.
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>>121008532
I like hearing people's reactions to SMT games. Keep going if you want to. It gets a lot crazier later.
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>>121008532
So long as your posts are about MegaTen do what you want.
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>>121008479
But it takes place in another world just like SMT!

Dont be baka now.

Whats with all the desu snepai stuff? Did int just memed another senpai?
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Do you think we will ever see the US as the bad guy in SMT again?
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>>121008586
Law is equal to the old "protector of humanity takes away all freedom to protect them" trope.
At least in chaos it's been proven humans can equal demons in strength by fighting.
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>>121008723
What is a wordfilter
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>>121008004
>Also, going Law for the first time around, saving Neutral for NG+
Wise. Law has no NG+ exclusive content unlike the other alignment endings.
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>>121008586
Here's a viable argument against law: it advocates for genocide and brainwashing. Sometimes both at the same time, depending on the game.
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>>121008769
Whan wasnt the US bad in SMT?
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>>121008723
New world filters, and they're fucking pefect. baka senpai get with the times.
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>>121008586
>>121008610
>>121008637
>/smtg/ isn't mean

Thanks guys, I'll keep you posted once I move the plot forward a bit.
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>>121008723
>not knowing the latest wordfilters
baka desu senpai don't be a failure of a human
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>>121008723
Word filters that replace nigger twitter speech with superior Wapanese. It's a huge improvement.
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>>121008827
>>121008873
>>121008941


Just noticed it, sorry f a m

That nip faggot is already fucking up 4chan.
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>>121008860
Strange Journey?
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>>121008941
>>121008952
>>121008873
>wordfilters

wait seriously? That's hilarious desu senpai
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>>121008997
Fuck off, wordfilters are great, and >>121008952
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>>121008997
>fucking up
Pretending he's not mining our data I'm gonna have to say you're a huge faggot desu. The new word filters are a massive improvement.
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>>121008838
Wow. So people die in strife based situations. You kill people on every ending. If your argument is that [people experiencing untimely deaths is bad] then you lost already, since law minimizes those overall as the counterpoint to chaos in which people dying who are weak will be a staple forever, and so you have the other extreme. But this explains why you're nto attuned to understanding that.

http://www.utilitarian.net/hare/by/1981----.htm

I meant real points though, not descriptions of your emotional reactions against things you're unfamiliar with.
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>>121009030
SJ was a multinational team of the best and brightest, plus Protag is meant to be from whatever country the player is from according to the devs.

Not that America's ever been evil in an SMT game. Dropping a nuke on Tokyo is old hat, and that Patriot fellow seems like a lovely chap.
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>>121009030
In SMT 1 they nuked japan, in DDS they created the cuvier syndrome, they nuked japan in IV (?), all the nations fucked up the world in SJ and all the nations helped to stopt it (neutral).

SMT is anti US as fuck.
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>>121009185
You literally commit genocide in IV's law ending just because you don't like the people of Tokyo. Please try to defend this.
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>>120957013
>>120956415
I could do it if someone commissioned me :L
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>Alignment wars
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>>121009387
Got a portfolio?
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>>121009387
do it for free
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>>121009260
Yeah but they seem to be less emphatic about it in newer games.

I mean they substituted Mikado as the chosen land of Law instead of the US in IV.
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>>121009387
How about YOU commission my fist to NOT punch you
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>>121009387
>:L
Come on anon, this is an imageboard. Use an image.
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>>121009260
>they nuked japan in IV (?)
They did?
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hey some one clear this up for me because it's been bugging me
Spoilers for IV anon
>IV's law ending is overloading the reactor to destroy tokyo
>White ending is destroying the reactor to end the universe
How does the same reactor produce two explosions where one literally ends a universe but the other only blows up 1 city?
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>>121009669
Thats why the (?) part, dont remember well but since SMT IV is an homenage to the other games i assume it was the US again.
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>>121009553
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>>121009416

I'm smacking the Yamato reactor and no one can stop me.
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>>121009669
That's why the Dome went up, why Blasted Tokyo is a desert, etc
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>>121009260
Thor nuked tokyo in 1
in DDS Cuvier syndrome was because Serph made god angry
YHVH nuked Japan in IV because it was full of filthy chaosfags
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>>121009445
I barely get commissions so I couldnt show you finished the ones I did so far are super autistic and im not showing that stuff but I try do doodle stuff for boards, keep in mind that its just doodles i make in 5 minutes max, So its not my best
>

>>121009452
I wish I could spend hours on a drawing for free

>>121009523
hue

>>121009553
im poor anon I cant afford fancy pictures, thats insane!
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>>121009714
I think it's because in the white ending they used their power to enhance its detonation, and in the law ending you're just conventionally blowing it up. Or something. Either way the white ending was done with their blessing.
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>>121009290
No. You do it because doing so causes the creation of a world where strife no longer exists, and so overall deaths are minimized due to a situation in which peace is obtained, and people are altered to necessitate its continuing exists, which the omniscient narrator confirms is a plan that worked. You can't say its about "not liking the people there" gibberish when you take into account that in your process of doing so you not only address the fact that isabeau is a victim of circumstance, not someone who deserves death, and you further end up having to get rid of yourself ad even the angels as part of the plan, making it obvious that it has nothing to do with not liking anyone. What you are struggling with is the fact that you don't see past the immediate sense, and so don't realize that jut tallying the immediate negatives, and not the death prevention that stems from it is incorrect.

The angels wanted to save everyone from tokyo that they could too, but the point is that as the past showed, wasting time to find out how to just resulted in mastema and aquila screwing them over for literally a hundred generations until they got another chance. That's way more people having to suffer through shitty situations than the amount left in tokyo. Demons got out and they could no longer contain them, so they decided there was no more time and they needed to nuke tokyo now. What you're not understanding is that on the huge scale, plans that kill a few people to protect far more are acceptable. If they weren't, you couldn't even fight back when being attacked in war without mental hijinks. What you're doing is getting confused and focusing on only the killing, but not the fact that its done for larger overall protection from death. And so by defining [people having untimely deaths] as bad you therefore defined law as the best ending. At least make a serious criticism.
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>>121009889
I didn't realize they specifically blamed the US on it though.
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>>121009892
Im sure an embassador cant order a full nuclear wipe, thats a white house level of command.
Serph was american working on an american soldier project.
YHVH probably used the US again to nuke Tokyo.
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>>121010083
hush beadman
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>>121010083
Why does Law always come back to the decision to nuke Japan in WWII?
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>>121009980
draw Isabeau with huge titties giving flynn a paizuri and I will pay you in kisses
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>got bad ending
>I'll go back to get my chaos ending
>2+ hours worth a content left
Damn, glad I went back and got chaos. My NG+ will probably be law/neutral
I'm stuck atm on Seraph in the chaos ending. Purgatory is one of the coolest looking zones in the game
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>>121010083
In IV Merkabah literally demands that Isabeau should be put to the death because she read some manga once. Please try to defend this.
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>>121010219
Should've stuck with white and gone chaos NG+ since it has NG+ exclusive quests. Don't pussy out of your decisions son of man.
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Do you need to level Roland as well?
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>>121010351
No. In fact, you probably shouldn't at all.
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>>121010120
>Im sure an embassador cant order a full nuclear wipe, thats a white house level of command.

I really doubt a small early 90s Japanese dev team would actually bother to research the US government system for their demons vs angels game.
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>>121010321
I said I got the bad ending, my first run isn't done yet. I'm stuck at Seraph like I said, when I finally finish my first run ( as chaos) I will go for a neutral/law run in my NG+
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>>121010120
It's fucking Thor nigger I ain't gotta explain shit
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>>121010120
>the scientist who fucked up was American therefore I'll blame America
It's not like he was ordered to flood god with stupid bullshit
also YHVH could have used any country to nuke tokyo because every country worth their territory has nuclear weapons.
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>>121010224
No he doesn't. He points out that she read it, and that she is also your enemy. Considering that she's literally there to fight you to the death, he wasn't the one who started a fight out of nowhere. Plenty of people in mikado read books too, and are still alive at the end, so you clearly are not describing a hard and fast rule. Much less that you seem to e making the implication that its for no reason other than not liking manga.
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>>121010481
I skipped over the last bit I guess. My bad.
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>>121010605
>She is Unclean and would lead we righteous ones astray

Seems pretty clear cut to me. If you're exposed to elements that law doesn't like, even if incredibly minor, you're their enemy.
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>>121010421
Probably but it was still launched from the US.

>>121010351
Yes, Heat a shit.

>>121010486
Thor is just a glorified henchman.

>>121010493
Again Serph worked on an american project endorsed by america, Beck being there as proof.

Your second point is about SMT IV or I?
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>>121010617
Can anyone agree with me that Purgatory is the coolest looking shit ever though? It was the first time in the whole game that I went "wow that looks nice" why the fuck did they wait the whole game to show me a cool looking zone like this. Also any tips on Seraph?
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Just beat this dude. Metal as fuck design.
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>>121010904
You let him take Isabeau as his wife, right?
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>>121010758
Serph fucked with god on his own time, it wasn't a government order to try and obtain the power of god. Just because an American fucked up doesn't mean America is at fault.
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>>121010746
Wow. What a coincidence that your enemies whose literal active goal is in fact to fight against you, which they are literally in the process of dong at this exact moment are in fact your enemies. That sure is a crippling blow. You should take that one to debate class.
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>>121010960
No, my waifu
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>>120989717
Good.
Perhaps that'll show Atlus that they can't milk shitty games out of their popular franchises and get away with it forever.

And really, DAN is just a terrible rythm game all around if you forget about the P4 and fanservice flavour.
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>>121001943
Omg i drew that a long time ago im so glad you still kept it. It means a lot
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>>121011008
Unclean is the designation used for the people of Tokyo, AKA the people you entirely kill at the end of the game. She is Unclean because she read manga. The implications seem pretty obvious to me; if you read manga you'll be killed.
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>>121010904
>Went into Kagome Tower expecting something like the Tower of Kagutsuchi or Karma Temple
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>>121010120
Thor wasn't the actual person to launch the nukes, was he? I mean if God can slip in someone as an ambassador for America surely he can slip people into the higher levels of the American military. I just always assumed another agent of Law was capable of launching nukes from America if needed and did. Hell, I'd bet the American military (besides those working for Law) didn't want to launch any god damn nukes but failed to prevent it happening.
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>>121011159
I think it is more about her mind being opened up to other possibilities that opposed god's will. Even at the beginning of the game she waffles between Walter and Jonny boy's positions.

No room for a waffler.
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>>121011474
>I think it is more about her mind being opened up to other possibilities that opposed god's will.

Yeah, and that's garbage.

>if you read anything that gives you a perspective beyond what I want you to know, you'll be killed
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>>121011159
I literally already pointed out to you that it shows in-game people who read things from tokyo but were not killed. If you don't have anything real to say other than pretending your point didn't evaporate then come back once you have anything to go on but emotional reactions.
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>>121010962
It still portrays America in a bad way, Jenna is also an American isnt she?

>>121011387
Its possible but still seems like that was inspired by the Hiroshima events which japs still hates america about.
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>>121001498
>don't put Naoto in your party
>Congratulations, now every encounter will last 10 minutes
After you reach the spooky dungeon, the game pretty much forces you to abuse hama/mudo unless you are a masochist.
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>>121011558
That is how Law works. That is how you keep order, especially in a society with a class system like Mikado.

I'd take it over Chaos and basically living life as a moden day Iraqi.
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>>121011798
This is a setting where you can gain the power of demons and become really strong. Live a little, why don't you
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>>121011798
Class systems are anti-law. Those are a result of a bad outcome that happens when random clusterfucks get in power and use law for their benefit. The angels came and got rid of the luxorors. Even isabeau on neutral points out that they're gone now.
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>>121011982
Oh well even better.

>>121011936
Even if you somehow amass the most power and take control for a while, how long until you are toppled? Even the neutral ending sounds rough.

Give me my brainless thoughtless comfortable life.
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>>121012216
>Give me my brainless thoughtless comfortable life.

Okay hold still let me brainwash you
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>>121012216
>Give me my brainless thoughtless comfortable life.
Are lawfags NEETs?
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>>121012306
>>Give me my brainless thoughtless

That kind of describes chaos though, desu. When you're literally constantly struggling to stay alive, there's little room for intellectualism.
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>>121012401
Exactly so why struggle? Let it be.

Or go Neutral and try to build it all up again waiting for it to crumble back down in the next HAPPENIING
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>>121009445
if you want to see more of my stuff before making a decision you can also check my tumblr theindigohero.tumblr.com

I also drew these a long time ago for these threads

http://imgur.com/a/6Vo3B
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>>121012216
>how long until you are toppled?
You literally beat a demon with the same level of the Lord of demons.

No other demon can touch you.
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>>121012808
Didn't you learn from star wars? Even if no individual one can, then a group of them can unite to. Note that even in game lore, michael is far weaker than lucifer, yet is the one who cast him from heaven.
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>>121013317
Yes but you have an army of demons yourself.
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>>121013454
Didn't you learn anything from SMTII? They are chaos demons. Most of them don't give a shit about you, or even chaotic ideals save when they benefit, and just want your position for themselves. And in IV kenji was depressed since he really was the strongest, so his life was basically trashing random people who came to fight him all the time. Which gets really boring and depressing really fast, especially if many of them were former friends.
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>>121013727
I meant your demons controlled via comp, if you can fuse Metatron to fight YHVH then you can control yours easily.
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I've been putting points into Luck and End for the MC of Soul Hackers, and just Mag and Agility for Nemissa, am i doing well so far?
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>>121014592
You'll probably want some STR on the MC for offense. All LUK isn't too viable. Nemisa's build is okay, though INT is good for her as well.
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>>121014661
That's what I was guessing, thanks for reaffirming it.
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>>121012351
No.
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>>121007442
lucifer
I really wish they'd do more disguise shit like Satan in 2
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>>121015261
I wish that since we get the same demons over ad over again in every game anyways, including plot roles, that satan would come back. Zayin was a cool dude. And we need an interpretation of him again.
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>>121008997
filtering s j w to sjw was one of be better decisions made in years
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Anyone knows the name of this character and what happened to her?
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>>121009669
somebody did, and America is always synonymous with nuking in japanese culture
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>>121015383
>Big plot important demon that pretty much never shows in later games

I want to make a team of the Reason bosses, dammit..
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>>121015587
Well, if you count baal as baal avatar then you're close. Noah isn't really anything though, so it makes sense for him not to come back.
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>>121010224
weebs have no place in the millennium kingdom
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>>121015517
That's a girl? Always thought it was a guy.
Turned into meat for the demons.

>>121015452
For some reason that filter doesn't work anymore. Sjw?
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>>121015771
huh, it must have been for Halloween only
it was changed to spooky scary skeletons
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>>121015863
Accurate.
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>>121015383
I just want more Mastema
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>>121015771
Eh, do they ever show it happening, at least? I remember that all of them get captured on the prison and then fred appears with her cap all bloodied when they're all released
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>no walter/jonathan doujinshi ever
What's the point of pixiv then?
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>>121016391
guess we'll have to live with the dozens of demi-fiend+dante/raidou ones
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How do I check alignment in SMT4?
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>>121016010
>it's been too long since I've killed unclean wretches
>prepare to die, sinners!
>...
>naw just fuckin with ya, what's good?

like or hate mastema, you gotta admit he's a funny guy
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>>121018447
cynical man in the bars
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>>121018447
Talk to a guy in the bar. He's not in every bar. But he tells you your personality.
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>>121012704
You ever finish your Parvati sketch? the wp looked really good
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>>121016731
I actually found some jonathan/flynn and walter/flynn but in general it's mostly either what you said or the weirdest crack pairing. I also found Tayama/Flynn(badly done) and that guy who sells weapons and armors/flynn.
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>>121018859
>and that guy who sells weapons and armors/flynn
that sounds amazing
>Flynn takes out his dick
>"This is real, right?"
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>>121018859
>that guy who sells weapons and armors/flynn.
>mfw imagining him saying "make sure you bring more macca next time" after fucking
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>>121018961

"You had to come now, didn't you?"
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>>121015517
Pretty sure that's a boy
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The Passage of Ethics is really cool. I consider myself more of a Lawfag, but I'd choose the Chaos options if the situation arised IRL.
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>>121021270
It's fucking dumb and biased to Chaos with the questions. Especially that "tall person" one, it's dumb.
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>>121021715
It really is biased.

Also, no NPCs seem to say where Fujiwara is. Dangit game.
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>>121021749
Fujiwara is in Shinjuku.
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>>121021749
I mean where Florida is.

Found it though.
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The "trick-ring" in DDS2, it says auto-sukukaja/tarunda in the start of the battle, is it only for the wearer or for the team? I assume that the tarunda is applied to your team?
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>>121021984
Pretty sure it's for everyone. Tarunda is a debuff so it affects enemies.
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>>121021984
There are no ma+kaja/kunda skills like Persona, so yes it's for the entire team.
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>>121022048
yea, but it says "auto-sukukaja/tarunda", I've thing my physical attacks are hitting higher after I removed the ring so I assume that the tarunda is applied to your team
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>>121022201
I think*
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Hey senpai does the wordfilter still function? I think it was the best thing to happen to 4Chan in a long time desu. Made checking other boards much more pleasant.
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>>121022462
sure does senpai
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>>121022683
I honestly kinda hope it never stops desu.
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>>120965246
Decided to give it another go just because of you. Suddenly it seemed easy and I even progressed with the plot. Guess I needed a push, so thanks. Maybe I'll finally finish it now.
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I don't even remember this part of the second story.
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>>121023119
big snake
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>Yaso Magatsuhi

Art shifts are always so freaking spoopy.
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>>121019091
Goddamn it
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>The girl in the game is of course a symbol and a projection of the hero’s image of women as based on his closest female reference, his mother. Finding her in the real world outside the game is an allegory for the shift from affection towards the mother to love for same age girls.

MT is weird.
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So, when I originally found this, the site didn't even load. I was worried, and pulled up an archive.

Today, I go to finish copying it over, and the site works fine again.

http://complete.electrolit.net/2010/09/24/megami-tensei-novel-turned-game-turned-novel/

It's... incredibly interesting. I know it's a wall of text, but if you haven't read it, you really should.
I put it on DDS Dork for posterity. The post there contains a link to this original one. Use whichever.

tl;dr ish
- brief summaries of the three novels + two MT games
- new material for alignment fag discussion
- the original creators thoughts, and his opinion of Law
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>>121027775
Nice virus
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>>121027775
assuming you're >>121023119 I read that after you posted that picture and it's pretty interesting
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>>121028098
Yup.

>>121027997
Read it on Wordpress then, baby
https://ddsdork.wordpress.com/2015/11/02/megami-tensei-novel-turned-game-turned-novel/
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>>121028128
>ddsdork
I'm not going to trust that shady site
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>>121028172
look at this nigga, i bet he doesnt even download exe from strngers
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>>121028214
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SMT4 guy here.

All the way up to Pluto now. Getting raped hardcore because I'm still Agi-heavy and I can't find a good demon with Bufu.

Does Long fuse into anything good? I can summon him with Bufula.
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>>121010224
They should have had Isabeau field a group of 24 demons and summon ones after they fell and abuse the fuck out of Luster Candy, Deliberate or Antichthon, Samarecarm, and weaknesses. Make it actually feel like you are fighting another summoner.
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>>121032693
That would be great actually. Have her playing by the same rules as the player rather than having X press turns by virtue of being a boss.
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>>121032324
Yes, it's also special fusion material for huang long.
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fucking post something, fuck
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>>121037224
It's 10 am how long are you going to sleep /smtg/
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>>121037650
Forever. I don't want to face reality.
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>>121037650
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3anK6yGG-E
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>>121037814
Mene mene tekel upharsin
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMSmi8ZOSno
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Did any information surfaced about that character that looks like Flynn?
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>>121039447
Who? Bird man?
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>>121037224
I completed DeSu 2 last night, i kinda liked it but i prefer the first one's plot.
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Record Breaker makes me worry about the inevitable Devil Survivor 3 after #FE bombs, it's clear that Atlus don't really give a fuck about maintaining the SMT tone in those spinoffs
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>>121041278
the spinoffs have always been happier than mainline games, with the exception of Persona 2.
Like, in soul hackers the saddest thing to happen is killing spooky because he's possessed. DeSu 1 is about the closest a spinoff will get to mainline in terms of tone.
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>>121041729
I don't even care about "happy" it's the waifu shit they can't control when they start.
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>>121041278
But they are going to make Persona 5 IF, Persona 5 Tactics, and Shin Persona 5 to cover loses.
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>>121041729
I can handle a happier tone, it's just the not-social links, the dick sucking and Yamato in general that's off-putting
It makes me feel like I'm playing something made by Idea Factory rather than Atlus
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>>121041828
I couldn't tell who the hell Record Breaker was meant for. I mean, there's omnipandering, then there's clusterfuck like what Record Breaker does. Everything about it was a clusterfuck, from writing to pandering.
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>>121042010
Why do people think Yamato is noteworthy when they shove 7 pairs of tits in your face the entire game?
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>>121032324
That was pretty fast for someone who just beat minotaur yesterday
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>>121042131
Because there is a difference between sexualization and romance.
No one ever claims that they feel emotional bonding to Tiamat or Scathach. Just tools.
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>>121042131
RB put a lot of effort into writing him into the story and writing his relationship with the protagonist, compared to everybody else who is just "there".

I have a feeling it's a case of blaming a character for the others being worse so they can have something to point at.
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>>121042953
sounds like something waifufags would do.
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>>121043319
People like that do it often and are part of the DeSu audience, hence why I suspect it.

Nobody ever gets pissed off at Jun from P2 for being important, being heavily integrated into the story, and having romantic undertones with Tatsuya. P2 also has a very different audience.
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>Still no official FINAL wallpapers
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>>121043635
It's more the execution when it comes to Persona 2 and Devil Survivor 2
Jun was genuinely well written in a game with a lot of well written characters and the romantic undertones were just one aspect of his character.
Yamato is bland and comes across as a poor attempt at pandering, partially because of the romantic shit.
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>>121043912
They're on the website though, I thought.
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>>121044181
eh? I cant find them, but then again its all in jap so Im just stumbling around
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>>121044142
Why single Yamato out for that when there's worse offenders in the game, then?

Despite those flaws he was still the best executed character in the game, and Io and Miyako were far worse in that regard.

It starts to look like jealousy the more I see people do it.
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>>121044331
http://megaten4f.jp/devil_hunter/#reward
Click the green button by Jack Frost.
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>>121044514
thanks, I have this weird thing for official wallpapers
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>>121044367
I really just used him as an example of the approach to characters they took in DeSu 2 and especially in Record Breaker, not as the sole example of it.

Obviously there are other characters with the exact same shit that I didn't enjoy either, but the main focus was applied to Yamato. He was the best executed character in the game, but that's really not much of a standard to be held against.

For the record, I disliked virtually every character in the game, so there's not much for be to be jealous over.
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>>121044142
>bland
like him or not, he was the only memorable character in DeSu2. it's even evident by how much you people can't shut up about him.
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>>121044879
Yeah, I wouldn't use "bland" to describe him either given how he seems to have engraved himself so hard into people's minds.
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>>121045194
complaints about him seem to always boil down to
>he's gay
because there's nothing else to complain about. he's a decent & clearly memorable character that worked well around whatever it was DeSu2's story was trying to do.
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>>121022462
Only sjw went back to normal, the rest are a-ok desu.

It's fun to see newfags getting angry at it, and crying about muh freedumb.
DeSu sucks.
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It's kind of gross how much the girls are objectified in DeSu2. Like, this is official art. what the hell
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>>121047956
That's anime art.

>>121047754
DeSu's great desu senpai baka kek kekold
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>>121047956
Don't post bait just to bump the thread nigger
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>>121047956
also just after posting this i realized how fucked it is anatomically

airi why are your thighs so goddamn chunky. why are your tits pointing upwads. why does it look like your back is broken
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>>121048130
>thighs so goddamn chunky
Thick thighs save lives senpai

>why are your tits pointing upwads.
Because Yasuda balloon titties.

>why does it look like your back is broken
Do you even lordosis?
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>>121048130
I what-the-fucked at her face personally
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>>121047956
If it sells, they'll keep doing it.

This is my opinio, but It seems like the only franchises that don't suffer this kind of treatment are the ones where Kaneko is involved.
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>>121049117
>replying unironically to bait
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>>121022921
That's great anon!

I always considered that SH is the easiest RPG to pick up after a hiatus because of the diggests and how Nemissa reminds you of where you need to go most of the time.

Just remember to always have demons of your same level if possible; and also have at least 4 demons in your GUMP at all times, because you never know when you'll need a full team to fight something.
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>>121049221
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>>121049221
nothing wrong with a bit of serious smt discussion
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>>121051000
>serious discussion
baka my demonic senpai-illiar
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>>121052415
wat
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>>121052819
keep up with current events you kekold
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>>121047956
>objectified
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>>121018447
Doesn't the spinning player icon also indicate it? I know it does it in the Raidou games.
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> Get Dekunda and Dekaja as soon as possible, obtained by doing the buff and Expel Mantra route respectively.
> Make sure to get Mutual Karma as soon as possible.

Does this mean I should have all characters go through the Expel/Buff routes or just Serph? Same with the Mutual Karma?

>Magic/Luck Noise is easier to obtain than Strength/Agility Noise.

Does this mean I should focus on Str/Agi for Serph?
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>>121056807
only happens after the alignment lock and at that point it's kinda pointless
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damn we dead as our friends today
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SMT4 guy here.

I got through the Law world last night and started on the Chaos world.

The Law world was really interesting. I love games with heavy religious themes like that, and it was one of the most interesting depections of a Post-Rapture world I've seen.

Not like I believe in the Rapture anyway.

Kinda disappointed there's no YHVH though.

>>121042270
Minotaur was a few days ago.
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>>121018961
>>121019091
>>121019157
http://www.pixiv.net/member_illust.php?mode=medium&illust_id=36148156

You thought I was joking?
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>>121062259
>Kinda disappointed there's no YHVH though.
FINAL

Also glad you enjoyed it.
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Anyone got a cool SJ phone wallpaper I can use?
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>>121058292
Serph should be your main damage dealer, leave buffs & debuffs to Gale.
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>>121047956
>It's kind of gross how much the girls are objectified
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I like responding to my own bait until someone notices and takes it.
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>>121062426
delete this

>>121063109
dunno much about phone papes but this pic is vertical enough you should be able to use it, if not with some modifications
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>>121062426
I wish I knew moon better because I bet whatever he's saying is hilarious.
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>>121064089
>SJ
>posts SH
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Who has the funniest death video in DeSu2?
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>>121064403
Io.
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>>121064395
d'oh
try this

>>121064403
>falls down stairs
makes me laugh every time
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>>121064403
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>>121064403
Not a death video but I enjoy it when Ronaldo dies.
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>>121048231
>thick thighs save lives

They're not even well draw thick though. They're pretty thin right below her butt, then they balloon out to a ridiculous width. They look bloated and weird.
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>>121064850
>Beat up Ronaldo
>Yeah, you guys are amazing... You're all cool people. BRB KILLING MYSELF

>Beat up Yamato
>Something something It would have been different if you were with me something something Banzaaaaaai
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Which SMT games have the protagonist/party use realistic weaponry? For example in Persona 5 the protagonist is a criminal that uses knives/guns which is appropriate. However in P3/P4 the protagonists uses a Sword Shord/Sword which is quite frankly stupid because two regular high school schoolers would not be able to use swords as effectively as they do in the games plus their pretty much impossible to obtain in Japan.
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>>121066309
doesn't yamato sacrifice himself to save someone?
man ronaldo was so shit in comparison, which you would think would've been hard.
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>>121066738
Pretty much all of them
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>>121066738
Persona 1 uses mostly knives and guns
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>>121066738
pretty much every SMT other than persona and nocturne
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>>121066738
>their pretty much impossible to obtain in Japan.
Just like how guns are pretty much impossible to obtain in Japan.
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>>121066772
I don't remember. I was going through on the Al Saiduq Route, and I think Yamato attempts to keep fighting, gets mortally wounded, tells Bunny to follow his own path and be strong or something, then jumps off of a cliff and blows up mid-air.
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>>121067193
oh, yeah I think it was on ronaldos route that he saves someone
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>>121066738
Didnt Hashino ro Soejima said that they dont use real guns?

Anyways every SMT but Persona 2&3&4 and Nocturne has characters using real guns.
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>>121067024

Difference is the P5 crew obviously don't give a shit about breaking the law.
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>>121066772
Yamato dies saving the MC in Ronaldo's route, and does >>121067193 in Alcor's.
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Yo, is the DLC for SMT4 worth the money?

I'm def getting Clipped Wings and the Masakado one but what else is there to get?
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So I'm almost done with SMT 4, and I've been wondering about the next game to play. I also finished Devil Survivor while I was partway through 4, and ended up finishing DeSu 2 as well.

What's the better place to move next? Strange Journey, Soul Hackers, or Nocturne?
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>>121068057
Those are the main ones. You can get Ancient of Days and Sanat if you want to, the rest aren't really worth it.
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>>121068059
Nocturne, where the series hit it's peak.

I think 4 is great but Nocturne was entirely better imo.
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>>121068059
Nocturne is really good. So is SJ, but Nocturne is a fuller package. Should probably save SH for after both of them.
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Is kaneko real or is it just a myth
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Speaking of strange journey, I've wanted to play it recently. Should I emulate it, or get an actual copy?
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>>121068059
Play Nocturne
100% that compendium
Get all magatama and all titles
Get the 2nd press turn
win
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>>121068842
look for a copy if you can, some regions have trouble finding it but I actually got a used copy (with the box and CD too holy shit my luck) for 15 bucks

but emulation is fine as long as you arent savescumming and ruining the experience
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Does anyone know how well IV sold in Europe? Do we even have a chance to get IV-Final?
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>>121069278
I got mine for 11 at gamestop

I was so happy when I got it
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>>121070754
>Dragon Quest
Excellent taste.
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The White were right.
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>>121071884
is that a world of strength
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>>121071017
>Dragon Quest IX
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>>121066292
>then they balloon out to a ridiculous width
like a normal female body
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>>121074475
Usually that's a lot smoother and sleeker. In that illustration there's a visible indentation where her thighs go from slender to wide. It ain't right.
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>>121074941
Maybe she squats
Don't tell me you don't like girls who squat, anon
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>>121075060
if she does squats she must have poor form because those muscles look misshapen
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>>121073460
怠惰界B3F from if...
Really looking forward to your reactions if.... the translation ever comes out. This dungeon is complete bullshit.
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>>121075907
I know If... has a lot of routes, is that from the best ending or something?
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>>121075768
thick glutes and hamstrings
you better drop this conversation now anon, I'm getting pretty heated over here
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>>121076017
I doubt that you can avoid it with a different route.
Don't know for sure though, just started playing recently, walking around with Charlie. That fucking asshole ruins every flirt with qts, we'll both die virgins at this rate again
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>>121064625
Thanks Anon
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>>121062565
>waiting room at urgent care
>Its not even an urgent injury
>realize I forgot my 3DS
>I can't even play through chaos world while I wait
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>>121077674
Aw, what's wrong with you
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>>121070754
yo what club nintendo case is that? I got the boo one myself. pic in a bit to bump
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>>121010493
>also YHVH could have used any country to nuke tokyo because every country worth their territory has nuclear weapons.

Well, at least for SMTIV it's suggested that the entire world was nuked to dust in Blasted Tokyo. The original SMTI likely had a similar scenario, considering how Tokyo Millenium in SMTII is described one of humanity's few safe houses, which only makes sense if most of the world was in ruins too.
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Guys, the Smazh Ballot results were posted.
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>>121081482
Which is off-topic you pathetic retard.
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>>121081482
Jack Frost would be a better addition than most of the shit being suggested, would be a good 2nd Sega rep as well. Oh well.
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Why are the Smashfags actually worse than the Jojofags here?
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>>121081256
Yep, in II the Millennium is surrounded by nuclear wasteland. I think it's the largest city on earth.
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>>121082931
because they give us bad shoops instead of good art
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>>121083390
This image is a Kill la Kill parody though.
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>>121085041
whoops, thought I had a jojo one somewhere, never watched either of these so whateves
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>>121086038
Bomb status was cool, they need to introduce more neat ailments.
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>>121085394
What is this a reference to?
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>Reach the point where Gin's death clock is supposed to hit zero
>Waste time talking to people
>Save and come back to the game later
>Notice that he isn't on the map
There's a NG+ feature just in case I mess up, r-right?
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