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- LATEST NEWS -
>Persona 3 The Movie #4 titled "Last Episode"
>P4U2 confirmed to appear at EVO 2015, as the current PS3 version
>P4U2 2.02 released in arcades on March 26th, 2015, console release date unconfirmed
>P4U2 manga confirmed for Spring 2015
>P4DAN release date June 25th, 2015 in Japan, NA TBA, first print copies come with exclusive Persona 5 footage
>P5 still scheduled for 2015 in both Japan and NA

- INFO -
>Persona 5 Information
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>Persona 4 Dancing All Night Information
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- GUIDES -
>General Persona Guide
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>Persona Q Guide
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- ULTIMAX LINKS -
>Starter Guide/Golden Arena Info
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>P4U2 Arcade Updates (in Japanese)
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>P4U2 2.0 change list
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>P4U/P4U2 Player List/Image/Sound/Movie/Palette Rip/New Music Tracks
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- DOWNLOADS -
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>P4 Dengeki Comic Anthology
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>Persona/SMT image Collection
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- MANGA -
>Scans
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>Translated Scans
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I'm not gay!
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>>100336258
On second thought, I might be gay...
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Why didn't they just use the Dragon Balls to bring back MC?
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I want Margaret to step all over me.
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RISE UP YOUNG BOY
AND MAKE YOURSELF A LEGEND
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>>100336348
How old is Margaret supposed to be? Her portrait reminds me of a math teacher I had in high school.
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FOR PERSEVERANCE!
FOR JUSTICE!
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Mudo and Agi even though her name means snow
What a rebel
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What's going to be shown at E3 regarding Persona 5?
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>P3 has shit story
>P4 has shit story
>all the spinoffs have shit story
>all have inferior gameplay
>people think P5 will be good

Why are we still here?
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>>100336463
Just to suffer?
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>>100336418
I wish you killed yourself.
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>>100336463
>P3 has shit story
>all have inferior gameplay
I think you need to go back to /smtg/ and shitpost there instead.
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>>100336463
Take it easy~
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>>100336562
Don't make me abyuse you.
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>>100336456
>E3

>>100336547
>uhh man I can't disprove his points uhh shit
>better tell him to get out xDDDD
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>>100336630
>asks why anyone is posting here
>posts here anyway

At least practice what you preach.
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>>100336630
>Can't disprove opinions
What if people came to /pg/ without the intention of stirring shit up or arguing with shit stirrers?
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>>100336630
>poster didn't even prove his points
>uhh the replier also didn't prove his own points I'm totally gonna ignore my hypocrisy lol
Like I said, stop shitposting and go back to /smtg/. Shitposting here won't make the thread come alive.
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>>100336732
>What if people came to /pg/ without the intention of stirring shit up or arguing with shit stirrers?

Not him but it be much preferred. Just civil discussion. Also for kindness.

>>100336630
Come on dude.
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I had a dream yesterday that I was watching a new P2 cartoon or anime or something. And then I woke up, and I was kinda sad because that's not a thing.
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>>100336863
I had a dream that Maya gave me life advice that changed my life forever.
Then I woke up.
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>>100336725
>>100336732
>>100336743
I love the part where you actually proved he was wrong. I mean there was that plothole discussion a few threads ago and the gameplay is obviously stupidly dumbed down press turn.
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>>100336863
P1/2 would make a great anime. P1 is short enough for it to be a movie too.

I really am lacking faith in Atlus doing anything for the anniversary.
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>>100336909
It was probably just "think positive."
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>>100336863
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPIo5k2Zqu8

It almost was
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>>100336953
When is the anniversary? I'm tired of people bitching about it.
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>>100336921
Yeah because you can prove opinions wrong, man.
>Gameplay is obviously stupidly dumbed down press turn
How so? Because it's not as difficult as SMT? Difficulty sure does define gameplay!
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>>100336909
>Crash this blimp, anon
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>>100336921
>Disproving
>Opinions
We actually settled almost all of those plotholes pretty amicably, if you actually read the thread.
It's basic JRPG ft. Pokepunchghostmons, calm down.
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Don't do this
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>>100337041
2016.
Persona 1 turns 20, and Persona 3 turns 10.
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>>100337082
have you ever buffed and debuffed in P3/4?

>runs out
>spend three turns getting them all back up
>the first buff runs out on the next turn
>repeat
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Anyone have the P3 Falling Down OST yet up for DL?
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>>100336513
That wouldn't really be persevering. But I see you're persevering at telling me to do that, so good on you!
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>>100336348
Rather have Mitsuru but she's good too
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>>100337165
Well i'll probably forget to take it off the filter by then but thanks anyway.
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>>100337082
He's right though
Press turn is all about getting extra turns when you hit weaknesses
P3/P4 operates on the same concept but with all the penalties for messing up stripped away and without the skip system. I'd wager that you haven't played DDS or Nocturne because you'd know that the press turn systems in those games are intuitive and fun from a gameplay perspective, and that P3/P4 is the same thing but less.
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>>100337172
Actually, yes, I have. Buffs and debuffs are pretty important. In other RPGs, however, I admit that I don't use their buffs and debuffs ever. But in P3 and P4, I did.
I didn't even buff and debuff in P1 and P2.
Maybe you should stop whining that when you grind so much, the difficulty gets dumbed down.
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>>100337283
>you grind so much

not once did I say I 'grind so much', I'm saying setting up buffs and debuffs are annoying when the enemy can also debuff you and shit gets really stupid to manage
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>>100337420
I always thought that was fair, though, and adds to the fun. If enemies couldn't debuff me, then wouldn't it be unfair if I could buff myself and debuff them but they can't do anything about it?
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>>100337158
What? There were a handful that were listed but no argument were had against them.

>>100337508
>adds to the fun

wat

The problem isn't the enemy being able to debuff you, the problem is that the three turn effect is stupid.
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>>100337219
Don't pretend to be civil. I already know you shitpost and try to give yourself airs that you're a saint.
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>>100337581
Different strokes for different folks.
The three turn effect wasn't stupid for me. Also, I genuinely think it's fun. If you don't, well, I have no business with that.
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>>100337581
Considering there's only one stage of buff/debuff in persona it's fair that it wears off eventually
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Oh no, Dribbler!
What have they done to you?
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>>100336969
>>100336969
>it will never become real
How am I supposed to think positive if it's like this?
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>>100337712
Tumblr has gotten to him!
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>>100337705
I'd take more stages then the stupid limit.

>>100337657
When I think of really shitty times I had in P3/4, it's when buffing and debuffing and maintaining it then the enemy debuffs once and I lose track of shit and say fuck it and go without buffs and scrape of the boss' stupid HP little by little because fuck you three turn limit
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Is Piercy a qt?
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>>100337870
That sounds like you being both bad at the game and bad at counting
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>>100337581
I'll admit that I sorta skipped out near the 300 mark, so all I can assume is that you were referring to >>100247223 and a few more posts down.
Most of their points being pretty quickly debunked.
This guy >>100252065 might've been the most sane man in the entirety of the last thread.
Also yeah what is your beef with the buffs.
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>>100337879
The qtest.
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>>100337870
That sounds like a personal problem.
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so did the fan translation team for EP psp give up?
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>>100337879
Absolutely. He's also the fastest.
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>>100338019
>That sounds like a personal problem.
I can't tell how many times I've read this before from the very same general (not thread).
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>>100338102

Why is the animation so shit?
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>>100338168
No budget
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>>100337938
>>100338010
>>100338019
You guys really don't have problems with the current buff/debuff system? I had absolute fucking hell with it. I mean fuck, never has buff/debuffs given me so much problem except Persona, it's so fucking shit.

Most of the time I spend two or three turns setting up Ma-kajas and Ma-kunda's then I need to do it all over again because lol three turns.
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>>100338204
With their Sega money this should no longer be an excuse.
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>>100338168
What's wrong, can't handle the QUALITY?
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>>100338259
dragon hustle and debilitate
your welcum :^)
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>>100338265
First anime was before Sega bought them
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>>100338259
I liked how they stacked in P1.

>>100338308
I know, I'm just saying this should no longer be an excuse for their future animes.
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>>100338303
>Dragon Hustle
You know, the thing you can only use for like 3 or 4 times because of Chie's SP pool.
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>>100338259
No problems, really.
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>>100338281
That's Chie's back, how do people not see that?
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>>100338168
It blows my mind that there are people out there who think P4A had not just an acceptable, but good quality of animation.

>>100338265
Sega money doesn't touch the animation studios and the first anime was made before that merger anyway

>>100338259
No, I didn't had a problem with it. It's easy.
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>>100338389
>>100338373
>>100338303
Okay fuck maybe I do suck.
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>>100338368
darksydephil please go
all the normal people know about items by now
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>>100338384
>Chie's back
Then why are her arms twisted like that?
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>>100338456
The first step to gitting gud is admitting you suck.
Now go git gud.
Git gud for /pg/
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>>100338480
god, I hate the artstyle in P4GA.
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>>100338504
No man, I already platinumed P4G.
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>>100338456
Well there's something else you could be sucking ;)
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>>100338469
The only time you're going to use dragon hustle is in late-game bossfights like Margaret, Izanami, Kusumi.
Even then, it's completely unnecessary to use for Izanami and Kusumi because they go down quickly anyway.
So you're only going to use it on Margaret, unless you mean that there are people who honestly blow their SP items so that Chie can use dragon hustle in trash fights in Izanami's dungeon.
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>>100338541
Then git gud for P5 fuck I dunno anon.
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>>100338592
yes, margaret
that's kind of the point of minmaxing a team in the first place, you know. for the biggest challenge
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Do all Persona games have daddy issues?
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>>100338558
Suck on this faggot
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When did Adachi know that the IT was involved with the cases? Since he had to have known when he sent the warning letters straight to Yu.
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>>100338754
Yes. P4 was kinda lacking in it, with Nanako being the only one with daddy issues and all, so it was fixed in P4 Arena and Ultimax.

They even made a villian with daddy issues.
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>>100338821
I thought Yumi Ozawa had full-blown daddy issues as well.
Half the P2 cast had daddy issues, and majority of the P3 cast had parental issues.
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>>100338690
I don't understand what you're trying to say anymore.

Either way you can minmax way harder than Dragon Hustle
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>>100336851
Keep spreading the kindness, friend!
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Where did Michel get his guitar case gun?
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>>100338873
Oh wait I forgot about Yumi. Yeah her and Nanako had daddy issues.

The parental issues of P3 are still holding the tradition of "muh daddy."
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>>100338901
actually, no, there's not a better way to keep the party buffed

and if you don't understand using the concept of saving expensive moves for tough fights, I think maybe you should stay away from jrpgs
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>>100339024
Atlus just can't get enough of 'em daddy issues. You think the staff has their own special daddy issues as well?
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How much do you think about your waifu on average every day?
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>>100339113
I think both the old and new staff have big father issues. Except Kaneko. He embraces the dick unabashed.
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>>100339037
Get a persona with all the ma-kaja spells and you have a free dragon hustle for all of your fights, and you'll undoubtedly win before they wear off (or on bosses, it'll wear off but they'll be so weak that the only thing you need to re-apply is matarukaja, which kanji can do so that you can hassou tobi). There you go, SP efficient and consistently applicable minmaxing.

It's not saving expensive moves for tough fights. It's saving one expensive move for one tough fight. Because there's no point using it on anything except Margaret. So the rest of the time it's just sitting there taking up a slot in Chie's move list.
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>>100339113
>tfw I also have my own daddy issues
I belong in Persona.
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>>100339254
Auto ma-kaja spells, I mean. Cannot into conveying ideas today it seems.
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>>100339339
Come tell your father all about it. You can even sit on my lap, like the old times, son.
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How do you beat Elizabeth in Golden? She's fucking tough and has that stupid auto kill move
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>>100339403
I can't think of this as anything but lewd now. I'm sorry Papa Nyarly.
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>>100338690
>fighting Margaret as a team

For what purpose? Because of how easy it is to break P4, you're really meant to fight Margaret solo, just like the protagonist did in P3 when he fought Elizabeth. And even then Margaret's a pushover, meanwhile Elizabeth can pull the trigger on the 9999 Megidolaon thanks to certain conditions. Margaret only does it on a certain turn.
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>>100339453
You don't beat Elizabeth in Golden

Enduring Soul or that item that gives you Enduring Soul and have Rise save you once
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>>100338927
I'm not that other guy, no offense if this is who I think it is. But I hold nothing against you either way in this case, if this is who I think it is.

>>100338807
I'd say around Rise's kidnapping if I had to guess, but I wouldn't be surprised to be wrong. Rise because Adachi was with them catching the fanboy, and knew they were looking into it. I'm possibly wrong though.

>>100339024
>>100339220
Possibly. I wouldn't be surprised.
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>>100339497
You only have yourself to blame for thinking that way. Come give your father a kiss.
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>>100339254
chie doesn't do anything besides dragon hustle and power charge god hands

the slot you free up by not using dragon hustle wouldn't be used for anything else, and besides that it's usable on izanami as well

since you need to get dragon hustle before margaret unlocks, not doing so is just an admittance that you are intentionally gimping yourself for the two hardest fights in the game
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>>100339254
Okay, what's Chie's ideal skill set if Dragon Hustle isn't that good to use? What else does she have to offer?
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>>100339568
S-stop it! I'm getting an erection!
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>>100339514
>the best way to use chie is to not use chie
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>>100339592
Nothing, use Kanji.
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I'm curious, why does /pg/ like Persona? Specific answers are recommended.

I thought about this just now and the only thing I'm sure I like about the series is it's music.
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>>100339783
Gameplay, characters, its comfyness, music, plot.
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>>100339783

It's fun. I like the characters and their interactions with one another and I like the setting and gameplay. Big fan of smt too for the same reasons
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>>100339572
>hardest fights in the game
This isn't saying much. Honestly I'd put Kusumi ahead of Izanami by a very wide margin as well because of her gimmick, Izanami is easy as shit.

You could also spin this to say that you're gimping yourself by bringing Chie for her power charged god hands over Kanji for his power charged primal forces.

If you ask me, you don't need to fight defensively on the Izanami fight at all because she is offensively weak. So there's no reason to not bring Kanji over Chie and have him Matarukaja when Chie would've Dragon Hustled, and he'll be outputting more damage than Chie does.

You're right that Chie doesn't have anything else that could fill up the slot Dragon Hustle uses, though. At least nothing that I can think of off the bat.
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>>100339783
Persona/Demon raising
Friendship simulator
Dating simulator
Stories usually based on crazy occult stuff
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>>100339783
fuck I meant what it actually does good in terms of it being a game.
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>>100336463
That's some mighty negative thinking. Persona RPGs are always fun, in varying degrees.
Besides, P5 is pretty much guaranteed to be better than P4 at this point.
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>>100339712
The best way to use Chie is to use her to AoE physical trash in a dungeon to save SP and maybe get some crits to knock things down and galatic punt. Against bosses/single-target she's almost always outclassed by Kanji
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Is there a P3 version of this?
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>>100339963
>P5 is pretty much guaranteed to be better

That's some mighty positive thinking.
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>>100339995
light and dark are definitely better for clearing trash than praying on 75% hit 5% crit agneyastra, even with apt pupil and auto masuku

nobody will ever have sp concerns as soon as rise gets her cool breezes that affect the whole party
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>>100340027
No because P3 doesn't have waifus
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>>100339783
Heavy character focus with likable characters
Varied and interesting demon designs
Good atmosphere and style
Gameplay isn't especially complex but it is fun
I like all the psychology pseudomagic
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>>100340118
and certainly not one that produces almost daily shitstorms
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>>100339783
I'll be brutally honest. I wanted to live the idealized fantasy of high school gone better. I was a complete wimp and pushover in high school, since I let others take advantage of me, and rarely fought back.

I idealized Door-Kun because he had so much going for him. Don't get me wrong, I really do like the gameplay, the music, the artwork, the characters, the lore, the plot, and the aesthetics. Everything just meshes well together, and am super hyped for P5 as well. I can't wait to see how they pull P5 off.
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>>100340097
That just makes Chie worse
Being able to crit and AoE is the only thing she does better than Kanji

But between Naoto, Yu and Chie you'll finish fights with AoE physicals while spending 0 SP, even before you get Rise's SP bonus

After you get it yes it is better to use light/dark on Naoto's turn before phys AoE with Yu and Chie
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>>100340264
dragon hustle is a thing better than kanji
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>>100340301
But we've already established that the only time you'll seriously use Dragon Hustle is on Margaret

So what I'm getting here is that Chie is just absolutely useless unless you're fighting margaret

This is silly
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>>100340364
yeah
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>>100340364
Mothman is unsettling now that I think about it.
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>>100340425
What I've got from all this is
Dragon Hustle is unnecessary except for Margaret
Chie is better at clearing trash than Kanji due to phys Aoe, punt, crits
Kanji is better than Chie at doing single-target damage and thus better for bosses (unquestionably so for all bosses before Kusumi)
In the end I didn't change my mind about anything at all
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GEISTESBLITZ!
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>>100340570
cool
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>>100340540
>Mothman is the cutest now that I think about it.

I agree.
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>>100340540
Don't bully Mothman. He's cute.
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>>100340620
>>100340651
Only because of the artstyle. He's based on a real sighting right?
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>>100340678
yeah man a "real" sighting
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>>100340759
It was a ~~~real~~~ sighting
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>>100340678
I used to have nightmares about this thing when I was young.
But SMT Mothman is adorable.
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>>100340840
creepy
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Okay /pg/, Atlus picked you to handle balancing and difficulty for P5, what do you do?
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>>100341010
Fuck it up, most likely
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>>100341010
I can't design games for shit so I'd just tell them to use DDS/Nocturne press turn system again
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>>100336456
Sony will probably just show the logo to remind people that the game's coming.
And maybe Soejima will be there as an observer.
I don't expect any sort of info blowout, though.
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>>100341010
Give every enemy infinite health so you never have to hear about persona being too easy again.
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>>100341010
Include daddy issues in it. That's right, every single aspect of P5 will include daddy issues, even gameplay.
How will it work? I don't know, but it will.
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>>100341010
Make it the dark souls of persona
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>>100341098
To summon your persona you must kill your father
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>>100341150
Your daddy appears everytime you must summon your persona and you proceed to use your weapon to "kill" him. This also works in the real world.
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Is Adolf Hitler a qt?
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>>100341010
Make the difficulties less retarded than health bumps.
Like, special moves or some shit for harder difficulties, single turn delays on easier difficulties where everyone takes jabs at you for being a little bitch.
>>100341284
A qt3.14 whose only crime was managing the ovens in his bakery.
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>>100341070
>Pursona five is out now
>prease enjoy
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>>100341010
Go maximum overcunt and and go beyond Nocturne hard mode levels of "Picked the wrong demons and grew your characters wrong for this area? Guess what the enemy went first and now you're dead."

and then for fun I'd include a reincarnation system where you're absolutely expected to die, can't reload your save, have to keep playing with the consequences of death, and only a perfect game with no wipe outs even once will allow you to see the best ending.
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>>100342130
>balance and difficulty

You seem to lack the former.
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which purseowner has best feet
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