>Ultimate baha hl edition
>READ THE FAQ before posting! - it will answer most of your questions if you are new or learning
https://gbf.wiki/FAQ
>Schedule for July:
6/30 - 7/8 - Ranger Sign: Bravo!
7/9 - 7/14 - A Slice of Summer (Rerun)
7/12 - 7/17 - Cerberus and Fenrir Showdowns
7/18 - 7/24 - Xeno Vohu Manah Clash
7/25 - 7/30 - Rise of the Beasts
7/31 - ?/?? - Poacher's Day
8/2 - Summer Livestream @20:00 JST
>How to Start
Go to http://game.granbluefantasy.jp in Chrome. Set language to English.
>Mega Pastebin - This pastebin has lots of useful things like important guides and other stuff so don't be a shitter and read these before asking something.
http://pastebin.com/8xELSDu4
>Guild Pastebin
http://pastebin.com/EgJBF9xi
Previous Thread:
>>184074069
HOST ULT BAHA NOW!
LIGHT IS FUCKING BACK BROS WE WAITED AND WE GOT WHAT WE DESERVED!
FREE CHEV SWORDS CHECK SHOP
CATHAY Edition
Norsca First Gameplay Glance:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OKGPLaoikfk
Norsca Roster:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/norsca-army-roster/
Norsca Racepack CGI trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RbrbDa9EBR0
Mini-campaigns are gone, 4 LL packs instead
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/early-adopter-post-launch/
Dark Elves Roster Reveal:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/dark-elf-army-roster/
Total War: WARHAMMER 2 – Dark Elves In-Engine Trailer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zB6FaGBz0Lo
Total War: WARHAMMER 2 - High Elves Let's Play
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D-8RQCwevAk
Total War Saga Announcement Blog
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/a-total-war-saga-announce-blog/
New Race Pack for TWWH1, New DLC for past historical game and other stuff:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/what-the-teams-are-working-on-07-06-17/
Lizardmen In-Engine Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3CmxjTFv_Y
Lizardmen Roster Reveal:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/lizardmen-army-roster/
High Elf Roster Reveal:
https://www.totalwar.com/blog/high-elf-army-roster/
Total War: WARHAMMER 2 – Announcement Cinematic Trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fXxe897bW-A
>FAQs and General Info
https://pastebin.com/gZ1T9VCN
http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?2191-Total-War-WARHAMMER-Modifications
Last thread >>184021556
Screenshot sharing and campaign posting encouraged!
first for erdogan
>>184094703
Stop holding up Butterlord.
Reminder to praise Sigmar and kill the heretic!
Officer Ahri Edition
Old Thread: >>184058676
>Very Useful Links
Eyosongive.us
Counterplay.xyz
Lolnexus.com
Champion.gg
OP.gg
Triumph.gg
Legends.gg
Lolalytics.com
lolskill.net
>7.15 Patch Notes
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-715-notes
>Champion and Skin Sales
http://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/store/sales/its-time-july-bundles
Join us in the /lolg/ Official Stream, find the link on Eyosongive.us
Camille
How big is sonas butt
I love Jhin!
Jhin FREE week!
Overused Samefag Character Edition
Last Thread: >>183872386
>Crews for GTA:O
Join a crew by posting your SC name and crew you want to join in the thread then clicking the link below and requesting an invite. Make sure your profile visibility is set to public. Do not kill/grief fellow crew members.
https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/gtag_pc (PC only)
http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/gtag_vg_-_ps4 (PS4 only)
http://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/meat_for_the_grinder (Xbone ft. 100% crew black)
https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/flibinjibervans (Alternative meme color crew)
Other crews: http://pastebin.com/GtsCr3VL
>Steam Group - No heterosexuals allowed
http://steamcommunity.com/groups/gtagonlinevg
>PS4 Community - GTAG VG Community (No heterosexuals allowed here either)
To join the community, search the community name in "Discover Communities" and leave a request.
>Older threads
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/subject/gtag/type/op/
>Helpful information for new players
http://pastebin.com/wmwvpEmr
>Regularly updated vehicle stat spreadsheet
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1g2Qy84YUrYu_YCcdjMhzDGuNMzwNtjVjIJzdRmrHu6Y/edit#gid=1868604557
>Graphics settings guides for GTA V
http://www.gamersnexus.net/game-bench/1909-gta-v-graphics-optimization-guide
http://www.geforce.com/whats-new/guides/grand-theft-auto-v-pc-graphics-and-performance-guide
>Patch notes for 1.40
https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115008752188
>Latest added content
https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/news/article/60243/GTA-Online-Pegassi-Torero-Now-Available-at-Legendary-Motorsport-Plus-N
1st for bro-op action.
2nd for Razor Vermillion
>>184091615
3rd for obviously razor trying to bring more attention to himself because he clearly wants all of it and thinks we're unable to see through his game
I know that's you, no one else is autistic enough to keep on talking about this shit.
>Fire Emblem Heroes FAQ and links
http://pastebin.com/sCR1qRtB
>Links and Resources
http://pastebin.com/DSnHZ3EC
>Fire Emblem Echoes Links
http://pastebin.com/qwVAhNkb
Previous: >>184083019
>pulling on a banner that lasts 33 days
they could show off cyl before it fucking ends and you're using orbs
Why does IS hate Leo so much?
Aesthetic.
Previous Thread: >>183681608
>Download the basic game here. Current version is Dwarf Fortress 0.43.05
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/
>Official forums:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php
>Find a bug? Don't tell us! Tell Toady! Complaining in the thread will accomplish nothing.
http://www.bay12games.com/dwarves/mantisbt
>Have a question? Check the wiki first:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/index.php/Main_Page
>Fireden archived threads:
https://boards.fireden.net/vg/search/subject/Dwarf%20Fortress/
>Dwarf Therapist (Standalone is out of date, use Starter Pack for 43.05):
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=122968.0
https://github.com/splintermind/Dwarf-Therapist/releases/
>DFHack:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=139553.0
https://github.com/DFHack/dfhack/releases
>Starter Pack:
http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=126076.0
http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=7622
>More DF stuff:
http://pastebin.com/AnsHjQ40
Modanon's Mods: http://dffd.bay12games.com/who.php?id=3558
>Dwarf Fortress General IRC chat:
http://en.irc2go.com/webchat/?net=freenode&room=dwarffortress
(to connect yourself: https://webchat.freenode.net #dwarffortress)
>A bunch of guides to various parts of fort-based living:
http://imgur.com/a/nGyRF#0
>Video tutorials:
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLBrdUj1adIBD-vgUodaaxebcdqQ4oEWtg
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLD1A3FE72C0DCAC66 (Dated, but good)
>Text tutorials:
http://dwarffortresswiki.org/DF2014:Tutorials
http://members.iinet.net.au/~morty/Getting_Started_with_Dwarf_Fortress.pdf
>This pasta:
http://pastebin.com/iAduXzjn
Strike the earth!
In the last day /dfg/ was struck down in the deep threadlands.
>>184090130
woah is that a dwarf fortress!?
he man!
>Monster Hunter: World
-MH:World revealed for PS4 and Xbox One early 2018, and eventually PC. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xe-RAeDfOMM
↳Information with sources: https://pastebin.com/TRFRGFn1
↳Weapon Intros: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL_ALSpmx2A8sAdeuYKMnrCt0xCpwPyPbC
↳Gameplay 7/24: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGMrgDM7Fco#t=26m10s
>News
-Monster Hunter XX Nintendo Switch Ver. confirmed for 8/25 in Japan, region free. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvzTD_RYDXs
↳No current plans for XX localization "at this time". https://twitter.com/monsterhunter/status/875133030326652928
-Monster Hunter Stories due for a 9/8 release in EU, Q4 NA.
>I have a question!
https://pastebin.com/7Aa6HxUh
Includes links to the FAQ, weapon guides, charm info, and more.
http://mhgen.kiranico.com/
Database with weapon trees, item locations, drop rates, etc.
https://sites.google.com/site/pingsdex
Same thing, in application form.
>Where does /vg/ play?
Create or find a Gathering Hall
Passcode: 7243
In XX, ターグット: Gathering フィールド採集 (page 1, middle right)
In Generations, Objective: Gathering
In 4U, Target: Fishing
Tags: MHWorld, MHXX, MHGen, MH4U, MH3U, Stories, MHO, MonHun, /mhg/
Previous thread >>183997895
>Frogstick gets air dashes and the ability to hit the monster midair to gain height, so can now both stay in the air and reposition to dodge attacks and go back in to hit the monster without touching the ground
>SnS can jump high into the air and even use the grappling hook without sheathing
>LS can build up fedora energy to momentarily phase out of existence and become unbound by the laws of gravity due to all the excess brain matter
>Even the lance can now hop so hard that with a running start it momentarily achieves flight
>DB and LBG, being The light weapons, have to use ledges like regular plebs
What a travesty
Hunting styles ruined MHGen.
>>184088887
Hunting ruined MH
RED edition
Previous >>184068590
Game released with Prologue (Fuyuki) and Chapters 1 (Orléans) and 2 (Septem)
>[FAQ]
http://pastebin.com/Hp918cqA
>[Mega Pastebin]
http://pastebin.com/HTrhq7Nk
>[Wiki]
http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/
http://fgosimulator.webcrow.jp/ - Mats, EXP & AP sims for game-planning
- Chaldea Gate: Daily Quests - http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/quest_daily_us.php
- Drop rates (click on the NA tab): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_SlTjrVRTgHgfS7sRqx4CeJMqlz687HdSlYqiW-JvQA
- Check the schedule and drops before asking in the thread
>[Master Recruitment Campaign]
Campaign Period: June 26, 2017 (Mon) 4:00 ~ July 31, 2017 (Mon) 23:59 UTC
https://webview.fate-go.us/2017/master-recruitment-campaign/
>["Nero Fest ~Colosseum of Victory~"]
Event Period: July 25, 2017 (Tue) 4:00 ~ August 03, 2017 (Thu) 3:59 UTC
Fight through various Servants and rise to victory in this tournament!
Event Limited Rewards: 5* Nightless Rose CE
Nero Fest Pickup Summon - Rated up Servants include:
5* Altera
4* Nero Claudius
3*s Gaius Julius Caesar and Romulus
General info: http://fate-go.cirnopedia.org/quest_event_us_20170725.php
Event drop rates: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1engRPRdkuIDawaxKYxkKz47gY0xc0ql7dKH1ecFCPqk
>[Other Campaigns & Miscellaneous stuff]
- [ ! ] Emulation got blocked with the new update (1.2.0)
- The SR Voucher Distribution Campaign ended, but the pick up is active until August 03
- First Order Bluray Release Celebration Quest - July 06~31st
- Master Mission - Complete Mission objectives each week to gain Saint Quartz fragments
- Rate ups on JP FGO: https://img.fireden.net/vg/image/1499/27/1499273270406.jpg (embed) (embed)
- Friendlist: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1M8_ZNP-WinrDQvwckh6Q7DMK5Z8RSx7ZshXTLCaI4zo
- Add yourself to the list: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSctk0n_OdMusCdkzQPQu8AHD-3Drc0kXqHOmKWJDpY-VkHVEg/viewform
Is it a sin to fuck a monk?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4nSTeF2o0R0
LIIIIIIZ THREEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAD
Protect his smile, anons.
iDOLM@STER Thread
Previous iM@S Thread: >>184036664
Archive of materials: http://sites.google.com/site/yukipobackup/
Japanese news: http://imasnews765.com
Official upcoming events schedule: http://idolmaster.jp/schedule/index.php
Streaming music: http://shijou.moe/imas-radio
Material translations and discographies: http://pastebin.com/D34BvNuJ
Character birthdays: http://pastebin.com/pvwsEbjQ
Upcoming events and merchandise: http://pastebin.com/yu6rrC2t
New here? Check out the FAQ and Resource Links: http://pastebin.com/icRtaLvv
STARLIGHT STAGE:
>Event: 07/31 ~ 08/?? Live Parade "Take me Take you" (Miku, Yoshino)
>Gacha: 07/28 ~ 07/31 (Ranko, Miku, Natalia)
Cards: http://starlight.kirara.ca
Tracker: http://twitter.com/deresuteborder0
Database/Resources: http://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1piHtf1IziDOKwRZQ3fPBXrFOd0tItW7pf2Kjqf_jkM8
THEATER DAYS:
>Event: 07/21 - 07/28 Millionlive Collection (Matsuri, Mizuki, Elena)
>Gacha: 07/24 ~ 07/31 (Serika, Kana, Ayumu)
Game: >>182623947
Cards: http://imas.gamedbs.jp/mlth
LIVE ON ST@GE:
Prereg: http://prereg.bn-ent.net/common/serial.php?app=imas_mstage
NEWS:
- CG Lottery/Lawson merch: >>183981761 >>183981928 >>183983279
- ML Rakuten/Baseball merch: >>183929745 >>183990647 >>183998209
- CG Update (July 27th): >>183971447 >>183971634
- TD Update (July 27th): >>183986248 >>183987104 >>183992649 >>183996883
- CG Theater 938 UL: >>183991476
>Archive of >>183965994: http://archive.is/PB1Cx
- ML Radio summary (July 28th): >>184061334 >>184063890
- ML Update (July 28th): >>183961317 >>184066774 >>184067020
- TD Update (July 28th): >>184072675
- Upcoming SM Update (July 28th): >>184074671 >>184074797
- SM stream on August 22nd, 10PM JST: >>184077729
- Blooming Clover chapter 5 webraw: >>184079526
- SS Update (July 28th): >>184078905 >>184080305 >>184080360
- CG Update (July 28th): >>184080816 >>184080858 >>184080929
UPCOMING:
July 28th: U149 volume 1
July 28th, 7PM JST: iM@S 12th ANNIVERSARY Live: http://nico.ms/lv301672582
Ranko sucks
>>184083918
Disgusting
God has, in fact, forsaken us
>Fire Emblem Heroes FAQ and links
http://pastebin.com/sCR1qRfB
>Links and Resources
http://pastebin.com/DSnHZ3EC
>Fire Emblem Echoes Links
http://pastebin.com/qwVAhNkb
Previous: >>184077289
Femui feet femui feet AAAAH femui feets!!
Magvel never
Tellius never
Jugdral never
First for Xander
babasuka/babusuka/babuka??? edition
Previous >>183903029
NEWS
>https://marvelousgames.com/blogs/news/senran-kagura-peach-beach-splash-european-release-confirmed
SENRAN KAGURA Peach Beach Splash European Release Confirmed!
>http://gematsu.com/2017/03/seventh-senran-kagura-game-teased-senran-kagura-peach-beach-splash
New SK game Teaser
>http://gematsu.com/2017/03/senran-kagura-peach-beach-splash-dlc-round-one-trailer-dead-alive-xtreme-3-character-dlc-detailed
Dead or Alive Xtreme 3’s Marie Rose, Honoka and Ayane as DLC.
>http://gematsu.com/2017/03/senran-kagura-peach-beach-splash-add-super-sonico-dlc
Super Sonico as DLC
>https://senrankagura.marv.jp/series/switch/
SK on Switch
>http://gematsu.com/2017/04/shinobi-refle-senran-kagura-pure-wholesome-title-featuring-asuka
Switch Project Focusing on Asuka Revealed: Shinobi Refle
GENERAL
>Complete Character Listing
http://senrankagura.wikia.com/wiki/Category:Characters
>Downloads
http://pastebin.com/JiapWFDL
>Peach Beach Splash CG Pack
https://mega.nz/#!atsXBCSI!BSJF1VKiFIt7ja601CuHH8NX3CP5bItVmUNGSQo0o9Y
>Newest Fanart
http://www.pixiv.net/search.php?s_mode=s_tag_full&word=閃乱カグラ
>Dioramas
https://twitter.com/hashtag/カグラマ?f=images
>Senran Kagura Drawing Thread
>>>/i/497555
SK: NEW WAVE MOBILE GAME
>How to Play
http://senran-international.boards.net/thread/352/guide-play-wave-outside-japan
>Mobacoin Guide
http://i.imgur.com/RbVpnjU.png
>Card Release Thread
http://senran-international.boards.net/thread/666
>Card Archive (Updated 4/3/17)
https://mega.nz/#!L8dBTSrQ!u5ATAkZitMvJd9ao1y69Sno5hj2daKt6D1ZC6qvWE_Q
>Card Wiki
http://seesaawiki.jp/kagranw/
MISC
>MarvelousAQL Senran Kagura site
http://senrankagura.marv.jp/
>Creator's Twitter
https://twitter.com/kenichiro_taka
>Yaegashi Nan's home page
http://chafox.web.fc2.com/maindayo.htm
>Japanese 2ch Thread Futalog
http://futalog.com/index.php?mode=ttl&s_word=%91M%97%90%83J%83O
Remember to get fit or Daidouji will punch you in the dick
>>184082101
I wanna punch (love tenderly) Daidouji in her vagina with my dick until I fill her up and then marry her.
>>184082101
OK, now what, motherfucker?
https://pastebin.com/rPVC94ez
Neighborly nudge that a title designed without credible space control is not a fighter worthy of attention.
Neighborly nudge that in its next month following release Timeout 7 has shed a larger proportion of its playerbase than SFV did within a similar time window.
Neighborly nudge that Dragon Ball Fighter Z will be a shoddily designed fighting game with terrible space control, dreadful movement when compared to the Marvel series, lack of multiple assists per character, and lacking character archetype versatility.
>>184081716
that's not even a fighting game girl
play touhou
Previous >>183948549
>Upcoming changes
New Card Effects: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1ulegI1gbAPHnooqX0Yzg6msxFAUVgYmwQ_PhUWUCUCs/
In Development: Skill Balance, SummonAI, PvP, Cards https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/view.php?n=1047
Field Bosses Rework https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92RrTQUGbk8
Summon Buffs http://tos.nexon.com/testserver/notice/view.aspx?n4ArticleSN=69
DPK gone https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/view.php?n=1032
>Info and details about re-balance
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/ktest-ktos-class-rework-thread-important-info-in-1st-post/354628
>HG 315 Purple Weapons X Practonium Purple Weapons
https://pastebin.com/78mTQn1Y
>Latest Patch Notes
https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/?c=3&n=1
>Current events
https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/?c=33&n=1
>Can I play the game now?
International version available on Steam RIGHT NOW. The Korean and Japanese servers are non-steam (Nexon)
TOS Info: http://pastebin.com/3YcrrJkd
This includes more detailed information, as well as tools, resources, patch notes and official links
>Addon Manager (includes jTOS and iTOS addons)
https://github.com/JTosAddon/Tree-of-Savior-Addon-Manager/releases
>Database, skill planner and other stuff
DO NOT FOLLOW BUILDS FROM TOSBASE
https://tos.neet.tv
>Extra Stat Points
http://pastebin.com/6Y3R7aYt
>Hunting Grounds locations and gear spreadsheet (all in RNG cubes now)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fP4G1JjL2pj6wMfpL_3o9pFWYIKpr3QnYgQ-XTfK21k
>Servers
- iTOS: Klaipeda (NA) Fedimian(EU) Silute(SA) Telsiai(SEA)
>/tosg/ Guilds info:
There is no /tosg/ guild in Varena, if you want one, either wait for someone to make one or roll a Templar.
If Guild is recruiting, please post in the thread.
>Klaipeda
Futureproof (ApplyAFineHorse3)
cute (Merigolds and Majiene)
>Orsha
Kotatsu (Colyo)
>Telsiai
Comfy (neshoi)
>Fedimian
CoffeeHouse (Capyba)
>Silute
Lewd (Nanaumi)
>reddit, normie and dead guilds
SHIT GENERAL
>>184080808
so is futureproof still a bad meme? played last year at launch, then made a new acc a while ago for the event.I know /vg/ guilds are usually cancer but this game is dead enough as it is, might as well play with somebody
Zenkai no /llsifg/! >>184032756
>Current Events
JP: KotoPana Nakayoshi Match
EN: RikoRuby Score Match
>Download the Game (English/Japanese)
http://pastebin.com/rPdEjzEr (embed)
>Game Wiki
http://lovelive.kouhi.me/
>Event Points Calculator
http://suyo.be/llsif/calc/
>Event Cutoff Predictor
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gT26kLl2jAQGX9xn9VRAYwnk5gzKWpe-NkOJa7osI8Y/pubhtml?gid=648200897
>Team Builder
https://designedfor.sakura.ne.jp/nikuma-n/
>Infodump
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1rL8-DDw8pJVmMPf7V25vCkx8ulOXR74p_-Wz534S3og
>was going to ask for a sisters OP
You are a mind reader, anon.
Goodnight!
/f2p/ Edition.
New to the Series?
Quick Start Guide:http://i.imgur.com/kTpXdtz.jpg
Every single Kingdom Hearts game, besides the phone game, is now available on PS4! Catching up has never been this easy.
KINGDOM HEARTS I.5+II.5 ReMIX -- Released March 28, 2017
KINDGOM HEARTS II.8 Final Chapter Prologue -- Released January 12, 2017
KH 1.5 and KH 2.5 also available separately on PS3
<Kingdom Hearts 3 News>
Coming 2018
D23 2017 Toy Story Trailer: https://youtu.be/E4y7UK4nqnQ [Embed]
Excerpt—Hercules Trailer: https://youtu.be/GNebfmXqHQ4 [Embed]
Less Disney worlds: http://gematsu.com/2017/07/kingdom-hearts-iii-less-disney-worlds-kingdom-hearts-ii-final-fantasy-vii-remake-along-areas July 18, 2017
Kingdom Hearts is canon to Toy Story: http://www.siliconera.com/2017/07/18/kingdom-hearts-iiis-toy-story-world-takes-place-events-toy-story-2/ July 18, 2017
IGN asking Nomura fan questions: http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/07/18/8-cool-things-we-learned-about-kingdom-hearts-3-at-d23-expo July 18, 2017
Famitsu Weekly Translation: https://www.khinsider.com/news/Famitsu-interviews-Nomura-on-KINGDOM-HEARTS-3-Toy-Story-battle-system-more-9760 July 19, 2017
Dengeki Interview: https://www.khinsider.com/news/Dengeki-Interview-with-Nomura-on-KINGDOM-HEARTS-3-and-Union-Cross-9827 July 21, 2017
>Lore Resources
https://pastebin.com/tKPLZLiE
KINGDOM HEARTS Union χ[Cross] Resources:
Available for both iOS and Android devices.
>GLOBAL Updates
https://twitter.com/kh_ux_na
>JP Updates
https://twitter.com/KHUX_PR
>General News+Updates
https://twitter.com/Daybreak_Town
>Quick Help Guide [heavily depreciated]
http://pastebin.com/jQVKegVw
>Wiki
http://www.khunchainedx.com/
>Damage Calculator
http://khuxtracker.com
Previous Thread: >>183838123
>>184080010
>[Embed]
>>184080125
Sorry, I didn't notice this when copypasting previous thread.
I'll do better next time.
>>184080125
it doesnt really matter