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If Roxas can use a keyblade because he's Sora's Nobody.

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If Roxas can use a keyblade because he's Sora's Nobody. How come Xemnas doesn't use Xenanort's? Why doesn't he just go out and collect hearts instead of trying to manipulate Sora and Roxas into doing it for him?
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>>315330641
because the plot to kingdom hearts is shit
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>>315330641
Because Nomura is literally making it up as he goes along.
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Roxas can use a keyblade because he's Ventus.

Xemnas can't, but he can use his knights armor for some fucking reason
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>>315330641
Nomura said he can, but chooses not to. probably to train sora top be a vessel for darkness, which failed in 3D
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>>315331479
if we are going to get specific, Xemnas should still be able to use a keyblade, having taken over Terra and all and his original self being Xeanort (old version) still having a keyblade
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Who said he didn't? Many hands makes light work.
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Who said he didn't? If both of them were doing it, he would get kingdom hearts twice as fast. Many hands makes light work.
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>>315332327
>>315332409
Then why would he use his Enthereal Blades when fighting Riku and Sora instead of his significantly stronger Keyblade
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Doesn't Xehanort not like using his keyblade in the first place, or am I just remembering some straight up bullshit?
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>>315332724
Because it looks kewl.
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>>315332724
Maybe the Ethereal Blades are a form of the Keyblade.

Xemnas came from two Keybearers it would make sense that he could duel-wield.
But since Terranort is an amnesiac, Xemnas can't properly summon a Keyblade.

Except this theory is refutable because of KH2:FM and the true ending in BBS.

So I can conclude Nomura is making this shit up as he goes along, but I think
he also has written the story for a sequel as he develops the current game. Meaning
he had some of CoM and KH2 done while finishing KH1 and so on.
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>>315333715
Don't you have to have a heart to wield a keyblade?
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>>315334658
>he didn't play dream drop distance
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>>315334658
>he didn't play dream drop distance
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>>315330641
Because if he did use his keyblade, how would he trick 12 powerful people to work for him where he can make them all into him? baka desu senpai
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>>315334873
I did, i just figured someone needed a heart to wield a keyblade. Is it mentioned in files somewhere?
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>>315335134
You clearly didn't play DDD, since it is clearly stated in that game that all nobodies grow hearts back.
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>>315334873
>>315334925
I did, who has a keyblade without a heart?
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According to an interview with Nomura, it's possible he was intentionally not using his Keyblade.

In other words, "Crap, you're right. Umm, let's say he might have not used it intentionally, and I'll have to come up with some new story based on why. Yes, it'll be a whole new game dedicated to this one question. No, a whole arc!"
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>>315335681
And BBS and 3D still doesn't explain anything about Xemnas.

How much of his past self did Terranort remember anyway? Did Braig tell
him about the deal they had? What the fuck Nomura, explain your shit backstory.
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>>315335260
They didn't have full hearts yet though.
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>>315330641
To manipulate sora
And probably because using it would strengthen terra or something
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>>315330641
>-- Roxas, the "Sora + Ventus" Nobody, was able to use a Keyblade. In contrast Xemnas, the "Terra + Master Xehanort" Nobody, wasn't able to use a Keyblade. Why is this?

>Nomura: I'd rather that point remain a mystery. It's possible that he intentionally wasn't using one.
http://www.khinsider.com/news/Birth-by-Sleep-Plot-Mysteries-Interview-1364
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>>315338273
Yeah..... yeah... I get it now. He's got no idea himself
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>>315338870
I mean I don't like it either but it's the official word on it. Sorry anon.
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>>315336205

They are entirely different person. They don't remember crap about being humans. I thought xemnas couldnt use his because he couldnt remember.
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>>315339294
No, it's been confirmed that Xemnas has some of Terra's memories. And see >>315338273
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>>315339082
I already accept this series has a plot about as coherent as a Picasso abstract and the point man
is probably making things up as he progresses. I think the time travel was when I accepted it.

>>315339294
That's false proven by KH2:FM. There's a scene where Xemnas goes into Ansem's lab, opens a
hidden chamber and starts talking to Aqua's armor. He HAS Terra's memories, and probably Xehanort's too.

Therefore he knows how to wield a Keyblade, I guess, But Nomura has not backed up that statement in the games.
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>>315339665
I know that a lot of people hate it but I actually have fun with KH's plot. It's fun to speculate on it and everything but I also don't make the mistake of letting it keep me up at night. KH is just fun in general for me though.
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You could fix the entire plot of KH2 by making the Nobodies literal nobodies.

When a Nobody dies/disappears/whatever, it should be forgotten completely as if it never existed. They had the right idea with Xion, but even that didn't seem to carry a lot of weight the way it was handled.

They should've been trying to get BODIES not HEARTS, how hard is that concept?

Also, it would've made them way more tragic and sympathetic that way, instead of just "WE DON'T HAVE EMOTIONS AND THAT MAKES ME SAD :^(" Things like the "Proof of Existence" location would've made sense instead of just tacked on.

But what do I know, it's a Disney x Square crossover for kids.
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>>315339381

I always thought Roxas was Sora nobody with Ven hearth. Wouldnt be Xemnas the same? Terra body with Xehanort hearth?

Maybe he didnt use it to not make suspicious the whole organization?

>>315339665

Yeah, but how much he knows? I always seen that scene as Xemnas kinda losing it, like Sora. And still every other nobody doesnt remember crap.
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>>315340087
We don't know the exact situation in terms of hearts in regards to Xemnas but yes it has been said to think of Roxas as having Ven's heart. And Xemnas apparently knows a lot. There's a scene in Days where he's talking to Roxas and says something about sleep taking him once again and then there's the Nobody symbol in which the Ultimania confirms that Xemnas took it from the badge that Terra, Eraqus, Aqua, and Ven wore. This first pic is the Days scene the next one will be the Nobody Symbol.
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>>315340410
>>315340087
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What did we get this morning?
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>>315335297
they're talking about how dream drop says that everybody has hearts, even nobodies.
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>>315340410

Holy shit, that foreshadowing. Nomura might not be a hack after all
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>>315340526
A couple of pics, supposed information from the trailers. But apparently someone fucked up and we may never get to see the trailers.
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>>315340678
there was already this foreshadowing in final mix, bro.
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>>315340613
No, Dream Drop Distance says that in the right environment/stimulus Nobodies have the capacity to re-grow them. Outside of a couple cases like Roxas, they all still start off empty.
>>315340678
>>315340749
Yep.
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>>315340678
eh, birth by sleep was released months after days. they were in development side by side so i wouldn't think too highly of it
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>>315340678
Hell Ven pops up in Days.
>>315340902
Yeah, it was definitely planned all together because of what you said.
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>>315341063
Does he? I don't remember that
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I always figured it's because Xenmas just doesn't like Keyblades. His final words are "Wretched Keyblade", so maybe he just hates them and refuses to use his
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>>315339901
When I was younger and full of hopes and dreams I thought the plot
was the coolest and deepest shit there was, but now I know it's the dumbest shit.

Yet, I still can't help but to smirk and go "Oh, you!" at every new plot twist
that attempts to beat the last.

>>315340087
That's the problem. Xemnas is Terranort's Nobody, but we are never shown clearly
how much he remembers, even with Braig recognizing him

This guy >>315340410 is right, but I still don't see a clear quantity
to Xemnas's memory of his/their past. Plus, is his plan in KH2 of his
own design, or is it MX's plan he's following?

If feels like, in KH2 specifically, Xemnas was carving out his own shtick
while being guided by the unexplained memories of his past selves.

Then time traveling comes into play and Xemnas accepts the totally planned out
ahead of time master plan of getting Xehanort, Xehanort, Xehanort, and dudes
half-possessed by Xehanort to revive the Org.

So someone explain to me why Braig is in control of his own facilities if he's possessed by 1/2MX?
Or did he just absorb half of MX's heart and the other half just went to Isa?
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>>315341187
Yes he does.
Ignore that bullshit in the beginning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd2ysj1FIjg
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I haven't played DDD, so all I know about the nobody/heart situation is what >>315340836 posted, but is it possible Xemnas just hadn't grown a heart during the events of KH2? Or do they state that he had?
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>>315341380
Oh don't get me wrong I do not in any way shape or form think that it's particularly deep. I just like the characters and their arcs.
>>315341556
It's up in the air. The ultimania says that Roxas can be thought of as having Ven's heart, and 3D furthers the link between memory and heart and seeing that Xemnas has been confirmed to have Terra's memories you can make some guesses but Xemnas hasn't had too much confirmed on his situation but in general he seems similar to Roxas overall.
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>>315339997
It's because the heart is supposed to be the source of identity, what makes you you.
Nobodies operate under the belief that without hearts, they are nothing. The entire arc surrounding the Nobody characters is that they can still be "something" even without their old hearts.
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>>315341414
Ah I remember that now. I assumed it was Roxas at the time I think
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>>315341380
The plan for the Organization as reveal in 3D was for that Xemnas and Xigbar would round up 13 vessels including themselves so that Xehanort could implant a piece of his heart into them to fulfill the 13 Darknesses requirement for the X blade. So I don't know if it's a situation where there's a quantifiable number of how much of Xehanort's heart each one would get. You could take that line as Xigbar/Braig just talking shit/making light of the situation.
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>>315341380
>mfw he's pretending to be half Xehanort
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>>315342325

VENTUUUUUS
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>>315342325
anon pls
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>>315342325
SIX KEYBLADES! MORE THAN ENOUGH TO DISHEARTEN A MAN!

>mfw he's pretending to be half Xehanort
That'll be Saix honestly.
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>>315343319
Nah I think Saix is in way too deep. I feel like they got to him early.
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