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The tactical shooter genre is dead, and never coming back.

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The tactical shooter genre is dead, and never coming back.
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>>289013514
isnt rainbow six seige gonna be basically that?
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basically

have you seen R6 siege? It was unfortunately the last hope and it is now kill
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video games are dead, who cares
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>>289013686
No. The trailers make it out to pretty much be a CoD style arena shooter with a destructive environment gimmick.
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Rainbow Six Siege looks perfect quite cryin dumbass
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>>289013514

>dat cult level
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>>289013840
Trailers generally show the most exciting action parts of games
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Insurgency is pretty tacticool
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>>289013995
check out the alpha footage
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Blame cod kiddie s for ruining the market. No one has the patience for it.
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>>289013995
There is a 40 minute gameplay video out.

The destruction looks neat, and it looks about as fun as a modern CoD-style shooter can be, but it simply isn't a tactical shooter at all.
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>>289013514
Maybe you should have bought Rainbow Six Las Vegas years ago
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>>289014150
Doesn't seem CoD style fast
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>>289014328
I did
The multiplayer was fun

But it wasn't a tactical shooter
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>>289013686
RS: Seige is basically if you took Counter-Strike and merge it with recent Battlefield. Since it's all multiplayer, tactics are more about making a route to the objective (and back out where applicable) and not getting your team killed. But that doesn't make it a tactical shooter at all besides the Rainbow Six getting a pre-match time to survey.
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>>289014360
No, its not quite as fast as CoD, but it is still a far cry from something like Rogue Spear or Swat 4.
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>>289013514

>The tactical shooter genre is dead, and never coming back.

H-HOUR IN DEV AND BETA IS SOON

RAINBOW SIX IS COMING OUT SOON

INSURENCY IS ALREADY OUT

RED ORCHESTRA 2 IS ALREADY OUT

SHOULD I KEEP TALKING TO OP BECAUSE HE SEEMS UNEDUCATED?

SHIT POSTING 4 CHAN TO HELL

>TACTICAL SHOOTER GENRE IS DEAD
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>>289013514
>What is the Arma series
>What is Squad

Alpha gameplay stream from today by the devs
twitchdottv/ubisoft/b/643606849
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>>289014573


NO WAIT I CAN KEEP GOING JUST FOR HIM

ARMA 3 ONE OF THE MOST PLAYED GAMES ON STEAM

>SHIT POSTING FOR LIFE.
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>>289014573

this level of arrogance
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>>289014573

>Red Orchestra 2
>Insurgency
>Tactical shooters

I'm sorry, what?
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>>289013514
that game wasnt very tactical either you basically had to do everything yourself because the ai was potatoes
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>>289014790
If you possibly think you can run and gun in them games i dont think you know what is a

"tactical shooter"


"Is Rainbow Six the only

>Tactical shooter

"
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>>289014524
>rogue spear
Oh god mah nigga, i fucking loved rogue spear.
Played a shitload of Rainbow Six, Raven Shield, and Lockdown. Loved the 3rd out of all of em though.
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>>289014573
But no one of them is what OP means.
He means single player games where you give order to your squad and have to execute things. Games like the early RS and Swat games
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>>289014573
>Rainbow Six: Seige
>Insurgency
>Red Orchestra

You may as well have just mentioned Call of Duty, the new Star Wars Battlefront game, Unreal Tournament 2015, and Mario Kart.
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The big wigs in the AAA companies water down their games and spread them extremely thin so as to cover as wide of an audience as possible.

Niche games are a riskier endeavor, and there's no need to take risks when you can practically guarantee a massive ROI on a safe action FPS.

It's up to the smaller companies to cater to niches like this. No AAA company in existence would dare make a game like Pillars of Eternity, yet Obsidian gets it crowd funded in no time and it becomes the #1 top seller on Steam. The market for games like this exists, it's just not worth the risk to try and capture it. to these companies.
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I have never, ever played a Rainbow Six game

Is there a certain order I should go in?
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>>289013840
I don't really get that vibe from them at all
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>>289015059
start from the first and go on
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>>289013514
UMMMMM EXCUSE ME???
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>>289014947

Insurgency is not a tactical shooter any more than CSGO is a tactical shooter.
Actually, I would argue CSGO 5v5 is more tactical than insurgency.
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>>289013840
they don't and you're retarded but ok
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>>289015032
I just don't get this.

The fucking Resident Evil Remaster outsold Resident Evil 6, despite Capcom claiming for years that survival horror like that was dead. AAA companies are missing out on so much money. Its almost like some sort of conspiracy to not make good games.
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>>289015180
this game was utter and complete garbage
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>>289014947
You can absolutely run and gun in those games, with game sense its actually the best strategy as it lets you get great flanks and get insane amount of points
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>>289014308
I have a hard time identifying what's missing from it that would make it tactical

if this exact game was released in 2003, it would have been called a tactical shooter

this seems like a problem of an ambiguously defined genre
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>>289015208
Thats because your not running and gunning in 5v5 csgo, of course it would be.

WHEN YOU ARE LIKE 20 MAN DEEP IN INSURGENCY ON A SERVER AND NO ONE IS LISTENING OF COURSE IT WONT FEEL LIKE A TACTICAL SHOOTER.

>you people dont think for shit.
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Insurgency has a mode where its your squad against a bunch of Durka bots

they will fuck your shit up quick if you aren't operating right, reminds me of SWAT
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>>289013514
>Tactical shooting genre

You mean the "Use the lean button more than other games" genre
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>>289015180
I played about two hours of that game.

My AI squad team killed me twice, because they open fire and spray the room.

Enemies will just run in circles instead of engaging you.
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>>289015180
The epitome of "just fuck my shit up."

>>289014573
Add Ground Branch to that list too
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>>289015305

I'd bet the farm that Capcom makes more money from their mobile infinite running Sonic game with microtransactions than they do from Resident Evil releases at this point.
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>>289015335
The tactics used in it don't resemble actual battle tactics at all.

The most effective way to win in the video is everyone just going to different rooms. There is no room clearing and coordinated assaults. Its an arena with both sides running around lobbing grenades at each other.

I'm not shitting on it. It actually looks pretty fun. But it certainly won't scratch the SWAT 4 or Raven Shield itch at all.
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>>289015180
dont remind me

I kickstarted that shit
the dev was the pinnacle of take the money and run
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why the fuck can i not find a copy of swat 4 anywhere that isn't fucking 60$ or more
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>there will never be a new, good, socom :(
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>>289016014
There is never going to be a SWAT 5. You can pirate it guilt free.
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>>289016014
its a oddball

pc game not on any digital distribution
I still have my disks but sadly lost the box years ago, also I never got a copy of the expansion so I kick myself for that too.
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>>289015404

So, big maps, little teamwork needed to succeed, no actual real life squad tactics

hmm, doesn't sound very tactical at all. Insurgency is just COD4 PROMOD. Not necessarily bad, just not tactical .
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>>289016284

I would say the original insurgency mod was quite tactical. The retail version encourages run-and-gun because its firing mechanics are too forgiving.
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>>289015432
Really? Might try that
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I just want a game with tiny, suburban house sized levels, with raids that take a couple of minutes at most. Just make it like a real life SWAT raid.
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>>289016613
It would be a open world game with randomly generated houses and hostage situations including small scale store and bank robberies

they keep happening one after another and your 6 man team has to respond to all of them
one person has to drive the swat van and all the planing time you have is the driving time to the scene
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>>289016613

this please

so annoyed at how both swat 3 and 4 devolve into "just starting shooting and never stop" within four levels. I'm on a level in 4 right now that has literally 30 bad guys in body armor and AK's. this is not a job for a five-man swat team.
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>>289016846

OK, you need to stop posting right now. I want this a little too badly.
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I cant find it, the video was on RPS, but there was this game, still at alpha stage that was fairly interesting.

Basically it was SWAT versus Terrorists.
SWAT come in from outside into a random generated building.
both team before starting the match are shown the map (SWAT have an outline of the building while the Terrorists see the INSIDE)
They can all point, circle, draw to make up tactics. Then choose from a little arsenal their loadout.
And go.

P.S.
Guess which company has the SWAT right. Hint: Sierra used to have them.
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>>289013794
this, lets just move on and enjoy any ges we can play today regardless of the quality
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>>289013514

holy shit swat4 still looks pretty damn good for its age
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>>289017540
It had a style to it that makes it looks pretty good still

everything was realistic but also slightly animated and smooth looking
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America's Army 2 is dead and never coming back.
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>>289013514
So is the doge shooter, and arena shooter genres. It's a terrible fate.
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>>289017540
>>289017621

of course, when you're playing it the only thing you're focusing on is POLICE, SHOW ME YOUR HANDS

the most wonderful thing about this game is that the "yell compliance" key and the "report dead suspect" key are the same, which often causes you to mistakenly shout at corpses to put their hands up
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>>289017268
activision?
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>Play any Tactical Shooter game multiplayer
>Everyone cowers and results to tactically pixel hunting
>Game is fucking terrible

>Every other blue moon when the planets align with my asshole the team is good and moves with a god damn purpose
>Steamroll enemy
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>>289015696
but it does accuratley reflect modern close quarters urban setting combat anon
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>>289014308
>>289015335
Hardcore tactic fans want it so your accuracy spread is fullscreen when you take a step, so you practically need to deploy a magical bipod in order to make any shot, which of course means recoil stronger than anything known to mankind.
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>what is ARMA 3
>what is Project Reality 2
Kill yourself, whiny faggot.
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>>289018117
kind of sounds like that black schizo that got shot by the police a few weeks ago

>BANG BANG BANG
>dudes bleeding out on ground
>PUT THE SCREWDRIVER DOWN
>PUT IT DOWN
>PUT THE SCREWDRIVER DOWN
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ArmA 3... well, I wouldn't blame you for not playing. It's one of the most annoying games to get into.
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>>289017268
Game is called Due Process

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2Wu0hOSOyA
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>>289018626

pretty much, especially because if you hit the compliance key a bunch, it'll actually queue the shouts, so you'll end with something like this:

>door opens
>SHOW ME YOUR HANDS
>suspect opens up, swat team returns fire and kills him
>PUT THE WEAPON DOWN
>walk over to corpse
>GET DOWN ON THE GROUND NOW
>pick up weapon, report dead body
>SHOW ME YOUR HANDS
>"TOC we have a dead-"
>ON THE GROUND, NOW!
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>start discussing swat
>/vg/ was still new and the /v/ "long" threads could last more than 30 minutes without posting
>create a /vg/ general of tactical games
>join in a newly created /v/ swat group
>rally them up a couple of time even if I cant make the server myself because of my shitty internet
>due to a new provider I cant use Tunngle anymore
>stop completely following the group
>no games, ever
>feel guilty

Still, playing with 10 other persons was quite great, even the VIP mode was fun expecially because none of us had played it before.
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>>289015126
>>289015274
Not that guy, but go watch the leaked gameplay. That's exactly what it looks like. It'll be shit.
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>>289016846
FUNNNDDDD IITTTTTT AHHHHH
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>>289013686
>No recoil
>Fast movement
>No planning phase
>Being shot doesn't cause any negative effects like limping
>No realistic reloads

>>289015059
Play up to 3 and stop there.
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I watched that Ubisoft stream of it.
It looked like absolute shit;
the movement was floaty as fuck
theres a fucking wallhack device, ruins all stealth elements
the firefights suck ass
hitmarkers

idk theres probably more shit I missed because I got mad and left
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>>289019685
I'm talking about rainbow six siege
just forgot to quote that anon
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>>289018906
god damn it that looks good
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>>289018906
thanks anon.
Everyone check this shit out.
>>289018140
Bingo. I wonder, why wont ever try to experiment a bit, take Gears of War 2, considered a "triple A" game right? Well it cost 10 million dollars. That is not a lot to "waste" for a company such as Activision.
Consider if they sell it at 50 dollars and sell a "mere" 500.000, that is 25 millions.
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>>289018917

my fucking sides, it happened every time I cooped, that fucking compliance key was the shit back then
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Is SWAT 4 worth pirating and playing alone, /v/?
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>>289019886
nowadays, our only hope seems to be, for indie devs to get big and recreate their ideas in the scale they deserve.
SO far I have not seen it. Fucking Mojang, they made so much money and then what?
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>>289015180
get out
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>>289013946
This.
>these water drops in complete silence
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>>289015675
>Capcom
>Sonic
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>>289020147
indie and AA games are the saviours of gaming
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I used to like Hostile Intent mod for HL1 its a bit too slow but i had some fun times with it back in the day
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>>289016846
>desperately rushing from one raid to the next with ramshackle plans that are mostly improvisation
>shenanigans intensify
I want this so bad
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>>289020125
I think yes, but why not play with anon, anon?
Just put up Tunngle.
>>289015180
I could have used those 15 dollars for Pillars of eternity. Fuck everything.
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>>289020389
>NO THANKYOU
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>>289016846
That actually sounds a lot like Due Process, especially the rebuilt generated tiny houses part, but I have no idea of the game will be released at all, and even if it is the graphics might be bare minimalistic

It's rally a nice game since the planning phase takes like 10 minutes for a fight that can be over in seconds
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People coming in here arguing with OP by saying new shit is tactical.

Play Raven Shield or SWAT. That is what we mean.
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http://www.moddb.com/mods/sheriffs-special-forces-realism-mod

A quite good Swat 4 mod with various pros, my favorites being.

>more guns
>readyng the tools take less time
but most of all you have a launcher from which download and install additional MAPS.
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>>289021603

downloading now.

my body is so ready.
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>>289019568
>No planning phase
oh no, it doesn't have that boring shit that nobody gives a fuck.
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>>289022397

planning phase is fun, though.

it's also what allows you have a plan at all.
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>>289014328
What
Why
I did
That game was bad
That game was COD
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>>289017105
yeah imo the early missions are GOAT. The restaurant, the spooky house, the bank...all great and memorable. If I knew how to code multiplayer shit I'd literally make this game but with less bullshit
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>>289020125
yes, just learn to use your cameras and guys effectively and the first couple of missions are really great. Just be careful cause your team will fuck up sometimes but otherwise it's a blast
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>>289019568
The planning phase in Siege is the first 30 or 40 seconds you get at the start of the match.

Also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lmLwhfPQ9Y
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>>289021258
>read about Rainbow Six las vegas 2 being GOTY.
>get it on PS3 years later for 5-3 euros.
>enjoy but with a somewhat casual fun

>you can only give 6 very basic orders and your team is not even made of 6 members (rainbow SIX my ass) but counting you, 4.
>sound often breaks and can be annoying, music does not work when playing multi, machinegunners drive you crazy with a short looping sound that no matter where you are take over EVERY OTHER SOUND and sometimes it can even stuck until you restart the level, a level has an helicopter rotors sounding as if they were next to your ear.
>grafics are SHIT
>playing in Coop, also supports only 2 players, anyway the framerate is an unstable 30 and often goes way below until it becomes a slow slideshow.
>poorly implemented physX back when it was not in the hands of Nvidia and only helps killing the framerate
>repetitive thug's chatter
>idiotic AI
>night vision is completely useless, in the only level where the lights are taken out, every single enemy has it and you cant even blind them with your flashlight and thermal vision range is probably less than of a real life shotgun
>resistance 1 had better and customizable controls and that game came at the PS3 launch, for instance aiming down the sight is done with R3
>campaign maps have a linear approach with maybe 2 ways to get in.
>stealth is unexistant, even if silencers exist because enemy may not hear you emptying entire mags and grenades from the other room OR will automatically know if a buddy close to them was killed, even if a silenced gun was employed.
>guns are mostly reskin of each other
>the amount of armor you use is irrelevant, it wont slow you down and neither seems to make a relevant change at protecting

>"REALISTIC" difficulty still keeps pistols with unlimited ammo, it only gives fewer grenades and enemies do more damage.


>86 on metacritic
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>>289014735

>ARMA III popular

>Bohemia Interactive will probably retain futuristic setting for ARMA 4

FUCK.
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after about some digging I found em
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>>289020814
>driver rams truck into front door
>5 swat members pile out the back
>flashbangs everywhere
>HOLY SHIT IM BLIND
>JUST KEEP MOVING
>whole squad gets wiped by friendly fire
>last team mate never left the truck and gets shot out
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>>289023370
>we'll never get real guns and vehicles again
Motherfucker
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>>289023228
>rainbow SIX my ass

rainbow six is just the name of the organization.

in the book it has dozens of operators and hundreds of support staff.
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>>289018395
In what way?

Running around rooms throwing grenades and spraying bullet hoses isn't it.
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>>289023432
elite unlockable
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>>289022263
if you want to play the additional maps with friends. (they need to download them by themselves too) Go to downloads--->multimode maps.
Ignore the seal maps, they are not fit for SWAT, they are like Gmod maps.
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>>289023776
is there a stupidproof way to get a little lan of SWAT4 going? I tried to just give everyone my pirated version on a usb key but we couldn't connect for some reason. There's always something not working in lans.
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>>289024339
I dont do anything special.
Just open Tunngle, get in a room.
Open SWAT 4, create a LAN server.
share the IP
and have users connect by input of that number and is done.
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>>289015614
Ground Branch is Vaporware. I've been watching it since 2008 and I doubt John will be able to get the amount of money he needs to make it the quality product that we all want. At best, it'll have an Insurgency level of polish which isn't too bad, but not the grand successor to Rainbow Six/Ghost Recon that we all want. It's an issue of money and manpower.
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>>289021603
Latest SSF version screwed up the "use of authorized force".You can kill all the baddies with impunity.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYtQr0M3clk
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>>289023370
I don't think the future weapons have made it more attractive for casuals. Most people don't even know the difference and just want to play Arma 3 life/Battle Royale/Wasteland/Breaking Point because they saw their favorite youtuber/twitch streamer play it. Thankfully RHS is picking up the slack, but their configs are pretty bad. They have great artists, but the vehicles are plagued with easily fixable issues
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>>289015696
>The tactics used in it don't resemble actual battle tactics at all.
Neither does Swat 4 when you get into multiplayer.

>The most effective way to win in the video is everyone just going to different rooms
Same in Swat 4. At most, you just need 2 people with each other so one can cover your flank in case some retarded tango AI broke and they run around the map.

>There is no room clearing and coordinated assaults.
There was definitely coordinated assaults and room clearing, but I'll admit they were weak. Hopefully, we get to see more about how it works in the upcoming months.

Also, do you know if Swat 4 is dead? I dropped it once the serverlist died.
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>>289019105
Wait, did he actually kill 4 people? Holy shit, I thought the kills were spread out over the T side.
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>>289013686
All the recent gameplay coming out of their event looks terrible. Team mate outlines through walls, +100 everytime you get a kill, wall hack heartbeat sensors, and giant ass hitmarkers have ruined it.
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>>289024892
how "latest" we are talking? Because that is still punished in mine.
>>289024980

that's what happens when you boop it.
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>>289023157
>LAPD
>Implying they wouldn't shot through the hostage
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>>289013514
Oh well. I still play SWAT 4 on the weekends with a big group of friends, Co-op and protect the vip are still enjoyable.

>>289013848
I have a feeling it's going to be really arcadey. Besides, I don't buy Ubisoft games.
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>>289026662
>>289024625
is it as simple as he says?
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>>289019568
>no realistic reloads
What? Even Vegas had that.
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GODDAMN SWAT 4 WAS SUCH A GOOD GAME
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>>289026917
Yup.

There is also this, which we use on occasion.

http://www.dexus5.com/system3/swat4-server-brower-alternative-is-here/

But it does check keys.
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>>289015404
>>289016284
>>289016576
The only tactical part is the Co-Op.
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>>289013514
BEND Studios is said to be showing off something during sony's E3 conference
some are speculating a Syphon Filter
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>>289013514
yeah its a shame anything that is attached to a big publisher will just become shit eventually
>>289013686
no. Its literally cod with a few walls you can blow up
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THERE IS NO SOCOM FIRETEAM BRAVO ON THE VITA
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>>289013514
I still play this shit with friends. I'd almost be okay with inviting some people from /v/ into our games if I wasn't sure 99% of you would ruin the experience. We also play a handful of other games too. All you need is tunngle.
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>>289014573
Isn't H-Hour confirmed dead after David Sears left?
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>>289019105
What is that picture about?
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>>289028621
It's referencing the cringeworthy scripted gameplay reveal of Rainbow Six Siege.

Also
>Suddenly remembered about Delta Force Angel Falls
>See this on the site
What
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>>289013514
top kek m8
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>>289028575
Nah its coming out to Early Access soon, but its probably going to be fucking shit.
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>>289028929
That's been up for YEARS. The last noteworthy thing Novalogic has done was suing Activision over the Delta Force logo in MW3 since Delta Force is not a unit officially recognized by the US Army and Nova apparently owns the trademarks of the logo
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I always hear everyone going on about how SWAT 4 is GOAT, but I never really liked it all that much.
SWAT 3, however, is fucking god-tier, especially with the last resort mod.
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>>289028119
what other games?
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>>289028575
David left because he needed a job that paid more. He's still on very good terms with the Dev team and still does Skype meetings with them as an Advisor. There's a bunch of other former Zipper staff that is working on it and will keep it true to his vision. However, this will probably be pretty low budget, so temper your expectations. The SOCOM games were 2nd party Sony games, so they received a fair budget compared to this independent project. Alpha/Beta is expected to come out within a month and they've been doing weekly updates
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>>289019568
Movement in Rainbow Six games, especially the older ones, have been pretty fast in PvP. This actually looks slower because in the old games, you could run around everywhere with your gun up and that's what everyone did. The real tactics came in SP/Coop or private matches.
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Lets say I wanted to make a SWAT style shooter in Unreal 4. What would be some things that you would like to see?
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>Ghost Recon 2 is rotting in 6th Gen

Shit hurts man
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>>289013514
why did the genre die anyway?
i remember this game went to my hand from a few friends when i was like 12yo and everyone used to play it quite often... also, rainbow six vegas 2 was a success.
so i can't really see why did this kinda unique genre died
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I played 200 hours of Arma 3 but I have to say it's shit and I feel cheated of my 50 europoors. It's painfully obvious that the game is running on an engine from 1994 ago being held together with chewing gum. The community is ass, everyone just wants to play Wasteland (DayZ for casuals) Epoch (GTA with zombies) or Altis Life (autism for autists)

The game released like 2 years ago and only NOW are we getting deployable bipods. Really. And the guns are all awful. No such thing as tactical reloads in Arma 3. Not to mention the bullshit body armour where everyone can take 3 7.62 NATOs into the face and not bat an eyelid. Developers still haven't fixed basic issues from Arma 2 like the fucking camera being able to ghost through walls and proximity based item activation. They called this farce of a game a finished product.

I put a lot of hours into Arma 3's infantry simulation side, at ~30 FPS the whole way I might add, but I wouldn't recommend this shit game to anybody
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>>289014790
apparently shit gameplay makes a game somehow tactical
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>>289029541
Holy shit, really? That's fucking cool.
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>>289030954

>not running mods
>not being on a clan
>not playing 32 player co-op with your clan

thats why you fail, anon
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>>289030886
I think it's because it can't be translated to consoles well, and consoles are where the dosh is. And there's not too much creative freedom to be had with a realistic sim game. There's not that much blockbuster action when your whole squad goes down by Allah Adam shooting your shit through a thin wall.
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>>289013514
You're in my spot, sir.
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>>289030657
Weapon collision with the enviroment. Basically if a weapon barrel is touching a wall, have the weapon lower. This way, people can't shoot through solid objects because the top of their head is sticking out of cover. Of course this assumes that you've programmed the game so that bullets come out of the barrel and not out of the eyes of the player like most FPS. This also helps with gun balance because short barrel weapons will have an advantage in close quarters
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>>289031320
It's actually a pretty big dick move. Guys in the unit made that logo and showed it to the devs at Novalogic. They took it and trademarked it for themselves because the Army can't officially recognize it. And now they're just sitting on it. Is Novalogic even a business entity anymore?
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>>289031326
I did run mods. And I played frequently on a 40 player coop server before I had enough of the framerate issues. But my issues are with the game itself. No amount of content mods can fix the shitheap that is Arma 3.
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>>289031330
but the two things could coexist.
i remember playing modern warfare along with rainbow six and no one died...
but was before every minor to major company doing fps games replicating the "we want the call of duty audience" sentence everywhere
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>>289032002
it's an engine problem, the game's engine is pretty buggy and lacks optimization and since it's proprietary and those problems were never solved by arma studio they will probably never be fixed - just wait for a new version of it, if possible done from scratch
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>>289029848
The staff is a joke m8, lead programmer has only made tablet games. The game will be shit.
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>>289024687
This accurately sums up my feelings toward ground branch.
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>>289032006
They can indeed coexist, but it takes a lot more effort and risk. Risk is a huge factor to making these kinds of games. It's a whole lot harder to keep a wide audience interested in a niche genre like this and to keep them from being frustrated. If no one plays, all that work -- and money -- is for naught. Companies would rather sell a product they know they can make a profit on than something that could end up with them losing tons. Just look at the original System Shock. It is fantastic, very much ahead of its time, tells a great story, has a wondrous atmosphere, etc.. But despite all this, it ended up costing the company money, even after getting nothing but praise from reviews and magazines.
Shit sucks, but that's business.
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>>289030886
>why did the genre die anyway?
Ubisoft turned Red Storm into a console action game developer after Raven Shield and none of the competing franchises from other developers ever gained traction.
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