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What do you want to see from the next Metroid game in terms of story and extended lore?
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More if the Space Pirate logs shitting on each other and calling them vapor brains.
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I'm pretty curious about the Ylla and the N'kren. That said, I also like how the scans occasionally mention things that are totally outside the game, like random aliens that the Space Pirates trade with. It helps establish that there's more to the universe than JUST Samus Aran's personal Pirate-and-Chozo-centric adventures.
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Does someone want to explain all of the Metroid lore?

I've played the games but never really followed the lore and would love to get into it.
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after fusion. samus is now an outlaw and has to clear her name.
somewhat shady optional missions/quest lines that involve bounty hunting to earn space credits or whatever because she has no other choice.
of course, she would be catching criminals, but the quest givers are shady.
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>>287909607
Just read the wiki for a bit. And read the canon manga.

I have been considering making a video about all of the lore but I don't have a great mic and don't know if its worth my time
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>>287909607
step 1: disragard anything from other m
step 2: read the wiki
step 3: ???
step 4: PROFIT
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>>287907615
There is no lore other then Other M
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Post ideal Sylux backstory

>Galactic Federation is trying to reverse engineer Samus' suit
>They get some intern or scientist to beta test it
>the feature that merges Samus' suit with her consciousness acts up, essentially merging the scientist and the prototype into one entity.
>The suit is impossible for Sylux to take off
>He no longer can do things like eat/sleep or other human things
>His life is ruined because of this
>Hates the Galactic Federation because of this
>Vows to take them down
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>>287911503
That's actually pretty cool
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>After crashing the G-Fed Station into a goddamn planet, Samus is now in big trouble.

>Samus has to prove to them that her actions were highly justified, knowing that what they were doing was batshit crazy

>She might even need the assistance of other bounty hunters (I still wonder if she has intact with her squad from the manga)

I'm just wishing for a full explanation on WHY the Federation was making Metroids/ Using the X-Parasites.
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No MUH LURE

Focus on making a GOOD GAME, not flavor text and story.

Scan Visor a cancer.
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>>287911503
The concept of there being hundreds of Ridley clones gets me so fucking hard
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>>287911503
When I read Specimen Zero, I squeed like a little girl.
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>>287907615
I want to see her Daughter. Adria in her 14-18 year of age using an earlier model of Varia suit Samus used to wear when she was younger. Her Mother is now her spotter and follows her on missions to teach her the trade.
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>>287915059
>they are all essentially Ripley and don't even act as a hive to kill the Hunter but instead most of them are busy ripping each other to pieces in the back ground while you fight off the few dozen at a time that recognize you
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>>287917547
>>287917547
That would be cool but it would create quite a few plotholes
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>>287917547
Stupidest thing I've ever heard.
Also the Varia is an upgrade, not a seperate "suit"
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>>287918158
...like?

>Worlds are now far more open and have intricate path mechanics to allow for multiple routes through a mission
>Samus, even in her old age, is far more stout and straight up powerful. Dealing death and soaking up damage with all her old call back.
>Adria is using a slimmed down version of the Varia suit that emphasis acrobatics and agility over armor and raw strength. Used to teach Samus the basics before lumping her with a huge ass cannon.
>You can switch between the two to complete the level or between parts that are easier for one to tackle over the other
>Boss fights employ both in most cases in which an A.I. will take over the vacant Hunter
>Bosses will factor around using Samus' and her bulk or Adria and her maneuverability to strike at weak points so when you play as one you must compliment the other.

>>287918535
Don't tread on me. If they are going to fucking flesh out Samus as a character in her annoying emotions at least give us a de facto avatar to redirect all her unspoken vagina monologues. Plus older strong mothers and young anxious to prove daughters are fucking hot and interesting as fuck dynamic to play off of.
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>>287918535
Also contrary to popular belief, there are really only 2 suits samus has ever used.

And the first one is gone for good.
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>>287914108
So you confirm that you know nothing about anything.
Good to know.
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>>287914890
>I'm just wishing for a full explanation on WHY the Federation was making Metroids/ Using the X-Parasites.
The same reason the Pirates were trying to use Metroids: They're pretty damn effective as bioweapons.
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>>287918942

This:
>>287918535
>>287919008

Also,

The power suit isn't something that can easily be taken on and off like that, its connected to Samus on an spiritual level. She just summons it on and off.

The Chozo are no longer around to teach any sort of Samus' offspring how to use the suit or train her.

Most real fans consider Samus asexual. Although that woudn't really go against anything set in stone, a lot of die hard fans would be unhappy
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>>287919235
>bio-weapons
KNOW WHAT ELSE IS A GOOD WEAPON?

NUCLEAR OR ZERO POINT OR BLACK HOLE OR TRANS-PLASMIC

THINGS THAT MAKE ENTIRE PLANETS OR STATIONS GO AWAY INTO THE EITHER

SPIKE FERRETS THAT CLIMB WALLS ARE NOT EXACTLY AMAZING FUCKING BIO-WEAPONS
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>>287919135
Did I say something that was confirmed to not be true?
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>>287919323
Well if the lore is this deep and her armor this profoundly special to her.

Why did other M rape her and the entire idea of Samus being an interesting character by making her armor disintegrate when the story demanded she act like a weak soon to be raped by a hell beast chinese character actress?
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>>287918942

>"Hey, you know that game series that's all about exploring confined environments in isolation, and expanding your abilities to become unstoppable? What if we made it about exploring open environments with a partner, where neither of you get to be fully empowered?"
>"But why?"
>"To satisfy my mother-daughter fetish, why else?"
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>>287919564
Because Japan.
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>>287919679
I am down for the former but since they seem hell bent on changing something in the formula a co-op passing of the torch puzzle AC/DC mechanic is better then "Let's make Samus pitiful and retarded and timid like shy delicate flower" in a gimp suit bullshit.
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>>287919564
Because sakamoto
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>>287918942

>through a mission
>mission structure

I found your first real problem
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>>287920036

>"My idea's not as bad as Other M; that means it's good!"
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>>287918942

The power suit was actually designed with mobility and refexes in mind.

The only games where its shown as a tank are the Prime games
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>>287920313
Well fine I wanted a sexy daughter and samus milf game but what is your brilliant idea?
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>>287920337
Those are the only 3D ones that matter and since Metroid is pretty much exclusively 3D...
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>>287920417

Okay, hear me out: Make a Metroid game.
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>>287920337
Prime actually follows what was set up in Metroid, Metroid II, and Super Metroid fairly well. Fusion and Zero Mission followed suit, and the only game to show the suit having mobility and reflexes was Other M.
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>>287918942
Holy shit this keeps getting more and more retarded.
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>>287907615
Confession time

I've never played a Metroid game but regularly shit post about it. I've even managed to shit up a few good threads just by mentioning this Other M thing you guys don't seem to like and derailing it from there.

How do you feel?
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>>287907615
>What do you want to see from the next Metroid game in terms of story and extended lore?

>Prequel
>covers the origin of the Metroid species
>Chozo still alive
>Samus is still Lil' Samus
>main character is a Chozo in power armor
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>>287920820
I really don't give a damn.
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>>287920820

I feel pity. Go make your life better.
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>>287920641
All the 2d games AND the canon manga where it is specifically stated to be made with mobility in mind all prove that its not just a tank
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>>287921152
Please dont post that picture. Go make a new thread or go to /h/ if you really need to
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>>287911503
>mfw
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>>287921008

This could be really cool.

The chozo power armor is the coolest part of the manga
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>>287921270
>All the 2d games
>specifically stated to be made with mobility in mind
You mean all those games where it moves around like a goddamn tank, and have no text?
'kay.
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>>287921672
Have you not played zero mission, fusion, or even Super?

I mean, I kinda get super. She feels a lot more sluggish in that one.
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>>287921008
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>>287921150
I don't care about Metroid though. And if I did want to play, I'd probably start with Other M since it looks the best
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>>287921150
>that crap tier pic
>still praiseing prime for cunlky fps as great 3d.
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>>287921853
good choice m80
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>>287921939
I agree. It looks the best and is easiest on the eyes.
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>>287921152
The Zero Suit isn't even anything special, and I hate how everyone seems to have interpreted a japanese way of saying something as making this ordinary flightsuit into something it isn't.

"Zero Suit Samus" is just an easy way of saying "This is Samus without the Power Suit." But no. Everyone has to jump on this bandwagon thinking that it's some integral part of the Power Suit design.
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>>287922043
its the best if you don't like your eyes
so yes, easy
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>>287921464
That's surprisingly not terrible considering what it is, tho i prefer MP1's appearance of Ridley
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If there were Space Pirates in the BSL, wouldn't this leave the possibility of infected space pirates still around?

And who's to say there wasn't another BSL/Bottled Ship(not that we'll hold Other M against it) elsewhere?
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>>287921793
Yeah. I have.
Have you?
All three of those games have Samus moving around like a tank. The difference between Zero Mission/Fusion and Super is Samus is stuck in "Run" mode, so she moves a little faster.
But that just makes her a slightly faster tank, that's all.
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>>287922048
It's either "Samus with zero (power)suit" or "flight suit from Zero Mission"
Yet the tiddy and ass appeal turned it into "The Zero Suit"
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>>287922170

>responding to a guy who openly admitted he's here to shitpost
Holy shit, stop.
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>>287922302
Fucking this, goddamn what's wrong with you people. I just admitted this is why I'm here
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>>287922302
>all my posts have been subtle insults at the shitposter
>stop

I don't think you know how anit-trolling works
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>>287922291
It's almost as bad as the people who think the Fusion Suit is some kind of mutated growth and that Samus can't ever remove it.
Though that's died down in recent years.
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I really would like a mission system for Samus, like in Kingdom Hearts 358/2 days, except each mission is on a different planet so it doesn't become linear
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>>287922454
>responding
I don't think you know how anti-trolling works

>inb4 you don't know how anti-anti-trolling works
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>>287922454
As someone who hasn't been involved with the argument at all, it looked to me like you were loosing the argument.

Get better at ani trolling
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Prime > prime 3 > trilogy > super > fusion > prime 2 > other m > zero mission > 2 > pinball

So we're all agreed?
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>>287922302
I never authorized you to ignore the shit poster.
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>>287922404
>>287922585
>>287922616

like I told him, he just wants attention, and I oblige

do I really sound mad, or that I care about loosing?
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>>287909607
http://kotaku.com/the-spectacular-story-of-metroid-one-of-gamings-riche-1284029577

Yeah, its kotaku, but it isnt journalism, its actually really good and in depth
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>>287922662
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Just finished Other M

Nowhere near as bad as you guys led me to believe, but really not good either. Would love to play a WiiU version of it with a proper control scheme and the ability to move and aim at the same time added
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>>287922753
the heels make it to unbig______
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>>287922753
>like I told him, he just wants attention, and I oblige

>anti-trolling
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>>287922662

Switch Fusion and Prime 2 and its close enough
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>>287922876
most of the hatred is that with the long waits they have no excuse to shit out a fan fiction tier plastic piece of crap that they did
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>>287922768

>this fucking shit article again
No. Never, EVER tell anyone to read this. It's complete fanfiction, published under the guise of a "plot guide" because Kotaku wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground.
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>>287923019

Don't give a toss about the story tbh, but with a few tweaks it could play like a great Metroid. I liked the art style as well, would like to see it in HD
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>>287922753
> haha I was only pretending to be retarded!

Is this the same poster or is someone literally this retarded? I feel like I'm being trolled by the original poster
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>>287923243
You're not wrong. Only a couple stupid gameplay things brought that down, and the artstyle was an okay realization of Super Metroid's.
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>>287922876
If Other M came out the same time as Prime 3, nobody would be mad because we got a good Metroid, and a bad Metroid. Other M came out in a small Metroid drought and obviously had potential, but was held back by Sakamoto.
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>>287923243
except every design decision was literally due to a fan fiction type mindset, even the game-plays retardation

>I liked the art style
flat uninspired, garish plastic?
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>>287923497
I reckon the inclusion of the nunchuck would have saved other m tbh
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>>287923127
except it isnt. its takes events from the games and strings them together with clearly labled speculation that make logical sense
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>>287923365
I never played a Metroid Game but now I want to.
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>>287923243

>would like to see it in HD
Your wish is granted.
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>>287923517
It's not even a bad Metroid, it's just mediocre. With a few tweaks it could be great

>>287923543
The art style was great, there was nothing wrong with it's presentation
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>>287923585
>saved

from the scrutiny of this fandom?
please, don't be deluded
other was bad and only a complete overhaul would have saved it at all
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>>287923543
Oh come on, don't pretend it doesn't have the best graphics on the Wii. It looks like an early 360/PS3 game with basically Gamecube hardware
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>>287923749
you aren't baiting hard enough to appear to be a troll
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>>287923661
Well obviously with a few tweaks it would present better. With a dual control stick configuration it could go from a 7 to an 8 no problem, irregardless of any additional improvements Nintendo make
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>>287923749
It was nice seeing enemies that looked like they belonged to the Metroid universe, as opposed to grey spike piles.
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>>287923925
I'm not baiting at all, I really liked it. Didn't love it, but liked it.

>>287923787
It wasn't bad it just wasn't great
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>>287923646

>its takes events from the games and strings them together with clearly labled speculation that make logical sense
Top fucking kek, it ignores the events of the games and makes up ridiculous bullshit. Here's a summary of all the ways it's unbelievably wrong:

The games explicitly state that Metroids weren't originally from Phaaze. Metroid Prime never had Chozo armor. There's no way the Chozo could have assembled a "gargantuan ship" on Tallon IV, because the planet was a fucking nature commune from day one. The name Phaaze was coined by AU 242, not the Chozo. Metroids were developed by Grey Voice and Mother Brain during Samus' lifetime, not decades ago by random Chozo on Phaaze. The Wrecked Ship on Zebes was (most likely) from Chozo colonists, not returning warriors. SR388 wasn't alive. Metroids weren't developed on SR388. The Luminoth didn't have communication with Tallon IV. The Luminoth DEFINITELY didn't know about Phaaze. Dark Aether was not created intentionally. Mother Brain wasn't altered by the Pirates, she went nuts independently. The Pirates didn't invade Tallon IV, they retreated to it after Samus wreckt them. Samus didn't buy info on the Pirate ship at Tallon IV, she tracked it by distress signal. Metroid Prime had been there for years (at most) not decades. AND THAT'S JUST PART ONE.
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>>287923846
it was a graphical step backward from game-cube games

post one screenshot from other m you actually liked
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>>287923661
Upscaling the game to 1080 does not make it HD.
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I WANT TO KNOW WHAT IS THIS SHIT
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>>287924163

As for part two: Dark Samus revealed herself onboard the Colossus, not on Urtraghus, and as a result she never fought any armies- just a crew of Pirates. She took over the Pirate race by launching a leviathan at them, not bullshit mass hypnosis. The leviathans launched by Dark Samus traveled at the same speed as any other leviathan. The concept of Dark Samus trying to replicate herself is plausible but unconfirmed. There's little evidence of the GFeds ever widely adopting Phazon, and certainly not on the massive scale this article postulates. There was never any amount of war over Phazon supplies. No Hunters were ever dispatched in this war, naturally, as it never happened. The four Hunters hired in Prime 3 were only supposed to restore the disabled AU network. Ridley never made any kind of stealth mission to Norion, because the AUs were infected via the network connection from Unit 313. The phazon corruption experienced by the Hunters is being vastly exaggerated here, and it wasn't terminal. Again, the Federation didn't need Phazon. The junk about Pirates imploding as their bones disappeared from Phaaze's destruction is ridiculous. SR388 was not alive. There's no conclusive evidence that the Pirate race was wiped out by the Zebes explosion. Samus never made any kind of deal regarding Metroid synthesis. Samus killed the SA-X she absorbed, not the Omega Metroid. Samus isn't part Metroid. Everything after Fusion is speculative bullshit.
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STOP REPLYING TO SHITPOSTERS
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>>287924207
Quick google search. This game only looks nice.
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>>287924376
then post some content
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>>287923787
A big part of the bad was a) using the d-pad for 3D movement and b) not being able to move at all in first person. Three nunchuck may not have fixed Other M's story or level design, but it would have made the gameplay a lot less shitty.
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>>287924275
It's a cliffhanger, anon.
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>>287924521
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>Ctrl + F Ridley
>4 results
>Ctrl + F big
>3 results
They need to unbigify the Riddler
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>>287924595
I know it's a cliffhanger. I want the next Metroid game to address it. Corruption is 8 years old. I WAITED LONG ENOUGH
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>>287924446
seriously?
this looks like ass

different texture resolutions,
you can literally see pixilation of samus, and the streached floor texture
clashing color schemes
the monster looks like it has downs
fuck the pauldrons are flat and reflective

and you know that the samus model is so bad you can see through parts of it due to normal culling right?
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>>287924951
Jesus, calm down it was on the WII
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>>287925047
Must suck to be you
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>>287924594
for movement to improve the game, the environment needs to be worthy of being moved through
and a major downside of the environment is its sparse, ugly, and backtracking is punished

nintendo fucking shipped this game with a bug that fucking locked you into a room if you backtracked, and their fix? snail mail them your WII's HARD DRIVE so they can edit the save file
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Alright, no more other m posting, the metroid fanbase is too triggerable
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>>287925237
and this was on the gamecube, and the WII
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>>287925047
But that's not a picture relating to Halo, it's about Metroid Prime, which isn't even an FPS
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>>287925615
They both look good. What 2D games do you like, anon? My favorite for gameplay is zero mission, and my favorite for atmosphere is Fusion.
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>>287925615
and that's an emulator enhanced screenshot, the gamecube simply was not capable of showing the textures in all its glory like that
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>>287926026
>emulator
>enhanced

hey now, they said no more shitposting
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>>287925870
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>>287926281
and that's a CGI cutscene, again not representative of the actual gameplay quality

and yes Metroid Prime looks a HELL of a lot better on emulators than it ever did on the NGC
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>>287923543
>Sakamoto doesn't even recognize the fucking Gravity Suit

this guy DEFINES hack writer holy shit
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>>287926543
I wasn't using the hunters cut-scene as an example of anything
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>Learning how to speedrun Prime
>Game has no horizontal speed cap

This is such a weird game to speedrun, but, my god. It's fun. All these skips.
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>>287925687
How is it not an FPS? It's core gameplay mechanics is shooting from a first-person perspective. I mean, it has a lot of other shit not commonly found in FPS games, but, I'd still say it's an FPS.
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Metroid is so clever with it's lore and storytelling.

The fact the you can play through the whole of Corruption without even knowing what or who the final boss is is incredible to me.

It's like a murder mystery in space, except with more scan logs.
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>>287927063
anon...stop replying
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>>287927063
How is it not an FPR? It's core gameplay mechanics is running from a first-person perspective. I mean, it has a lot of other shit not commonly found in FPR games, but, I'd still say it's an FPR.
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>>287926543
in prime its in engine, and i could stil lfind a better in game screenshot of that scene

and does other m look any better in an emulator?
no it fucking doesn't
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>>287927140
No, I'm genuinely curious.
>>287927271
Hey, now. No need to be a douchebag. I'm honestly trying to discuss this here, even if discussing genre is kind of pointless.
You run in a lot of games, but, that doesn't mean running is the main attraction, so to speak. I don't think calling something an FPS is detrimental to the game. Hell, Metroid Prime is my favourite. Period. But, I don't see how it's not an FPS. I know the term first-person adventure has been thrown around, which makes sense, I guess.
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>>287927316
That's because Prime had very large and high quality textures which the GC could not properly display. These textures are part of the reason why metroid prime aged pretty well but they are also the reason why emulated version look vastly better

other m didn't have something like this so its emulation is limited to the typical filter enhancements
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>>287927560
not him but every time anyone calls prime an fps they are baiting, and trying to be detrimental
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Were there ever other games that utilized the Prime engine? It would be kind of interesting to see.
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>all this other m
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>>287927697
then enlighten me and show me an unemulated gc screenshot from that room
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>>287927804
I know most people call it an FPS as a derogatory term and usually make comparisons to Halo. But, those are far too obvious to even give attention to. I'm not trolling or baiting or whatever though.
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>>287927871
Donkey Kong country returns, oddly enough
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>>287927560
How is it being a douchebag? Running is a larger part of metroid prime than shooting, so should you call it a first person runner?
you don't because the game does not try to be a running game.
And neither does it try to be a shooting game, all calling it an FPS does is give people wrong preconceptions about the game and invite true FPS fans to complain about how the game is not a great FPS because of several factors (auto-aim for one)
the game is about exploration and puzzles (difficult enemies are a form of puzzle in metroid prime games), not shooting, so its primary genre should be indicative of this
hence FPA
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My thought for Metroid Prime 4 is that a group of Chozo who left with the rest have returned, not content with the nomadic space philosophers life the rest of the Chozo have accepted. They remember when the Chozo were a powerful empire with the most advanced weapons in the galaxy, and have come back to reclaim their empire and destroy the GFed. It takes place post-Fusion, and Samus will get a new Varia suit, however the Chozo warriors will also be wearing variants thereof. Basically the Chozo come back and start fucking shit up and it's up to Samus to stop them.
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>>287927965
currently on laptop so that should be hard
but here's a question: in what universe did the Gamecube have a 1920x868 resolution?
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>>287928258
I didn't mean make it yourself, hell just find any in-game comparison to support your claim

I never claimed it wasn't an emulator you dunce, I claimed that the emulator didn't "enhance" prime just as it didn't enhance other m, and by your statements it only accessed data that was already there
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>>287928183
The Chozo are physically incapable of doing that.
They have a mental block and they're all old as dicks.
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>>287928849
>mental block

I've never heard of this.
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>>287928849
>like the Asgard from Stargate
>oh wait
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I have been playing Prime a lot lately and it looks so fucking good still. How the hell does a GameCube game released over 12 years ago still look this good?
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>>287928927

The manga explains that they are mentally incapable of being violent unless they force themselves to.
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>>287928927
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>>287929151
Maybe some of them are broken. It's really not too hard of a thing to circumvent for a video game plot.
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>>287928808
it accessed data that was already there yes, but said data could not be displayed properly by the gamecube
hence my statement that said screenshot was very OBVIOUSLY not indicative of the quality of said game on its release console
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>>287929151
>>287929198
>Metroid manga
>Canon
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>>287929249
if you really want an "once great dead civilization comes back" in the metroid universe you could also use the Luminoth
I mean those fuckers sure as hell never truly renounced their warrior ways, after all they were building fucking Quadraxis before the leviathan hit
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>>287929363
Its confirmed by nintendo to be canon ya dingus
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>>287929447
Yeah, well Nintendo also confirmed Other M was acceptable.

Chec and mate.
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>>287929259
THEN DEMONSTRATE
THE DIFFERENCE
IN QUALITY

this whole argument is not primes quality, its other m's, you just know you lost that one and are arguing trivialities and irrelevancies to prevent acknowledging that
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>>287929249
And how do you circumvent being an old dried out husk? The chozo are old men.
That's why they trained Samus. They couldn't do that shit anymore.
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>>287929567
when?
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>>287929639
not them but not axing it or renouncing it in anyway, along with games are of higer cannon priority that obscure manga, that's pretty much an confirming it as acceptable

also i think Shitamoto dissed the prime series as an irrelevant spin off, and wasn't rebuked
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>>287922768
>one of gaming's richest universes

Metroid is one of my favorite IPs but it is most certainly not a "rich universe." It's pretty goddamn barebones. And that's the fucking point. The details of the Metroid universe don't fucking matter, except as a sprinkling of flavor on top of a solid core of exploration-based gameplay.
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>>287929579
can't find one quickly of the same room, but compare this screenshot to the one you posted
the difference in quality should be obvious
for one the gamecube did not have AA, which is somehow present in yours
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>>287929978
this

half the damn appeal was the interesting unexplained visuals you have to navigate
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>>287929929
The manga doesn't go against anything established in the games though.

even Other M doesn't contradict it at all
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>>287929929
>i think Shitamoto dissed the prime series as an irrelevant spin off

>Sakamoto: "The story takes place between the first one on the Famicom Disk System and is followed by Metroid II. I had the idea to make it separately as a gaiden [side story], but wouldn't it be a cop-out to call it a gaiden? Because of that, I consulted with Tanabe, and things fell into place very naturally. The local staff worked on it really hard, it serves as part of the series, and I think they completed it very well."
http://www.metroid-database.com/features/nomsakamoto.php

He's a terrible writer, but he's not a complete asshole.
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>>287930081
>posts a thumbnail jpg with a website watermark in a quality argument

ok then you won
clearly other m is not visual shit
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>>287929929
even though other m is complete dog shit, saying that it isn't canon would damage the franchise.
the best thing they can do is not reference it ever again.
which it looks like they're doing, hence prime trilogy on the e shop instead.
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>>287919323
>Most real fans consider Samus asexual.
Most real fans don't consider Samus's sexuality, because it's not important and never has been. It's not something that comes up.
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>>287922768
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOPE

Seriously I don't recommend ANYONE ever read this if they want to get into Metroid.

There is so much fake shit its ridiculous
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>>287930301
>gaiden

from wikipedia

>The use of gaiden is commonly used in popular Japanese fiction to refer to a spin-off of a previously published work that is neither officially considered a sequel nor a prequel.
>spin-off
>not part of "main story"

how is this not a dismissal?
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>>287930587

Did you even read the quote? He said it WASN'T a gaiden, because calling it a gaiden would be a cop-out.
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>>287930339
>thumbnail
Gamecube's resolution was 800x600 downscaled to 640x480
that's not a thumbnail brother
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>>287930407
>>287913351
anyone who payed attention knows other m already damaged any cannon, and gave no shits about it
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>>287930741
>Gamecube's resolution was 800x600 downscaled to 640x480
What? I thought it was 640x480 internal resolution. Where did you hear this?
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>>287930709
> I had the idea to make it separately as a gaiden

he wanted to, but someone slapped his shit, just not hard enough during other m
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>>287930970
thought I read it somewhere, could be wrong
in any case 640x480 pictures are NOT thumbnails
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>>287920337
>>287920519
The Power Suit has made Samus highly mobile and highly tanky in every Metroid game. She soaks damage that would kill any regular human pretty much constantly. The Power Suit is a marvel of sci-fi engineering, not bound to tabletop archetypes of acrobatic-but-flimsy or tough-but-slow; it's both acrobatic and tough.

That said, I do like the bulky look of the fully upgraded Dark Suit; it was an interesting change of pace from the more sleek Varia Suit and the super-sleek Light Suit.

>Metroid is pretty much exclusively 3D
It's about half and half. 5-6 2D games and 5 3D games IIRC.
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>Samus, Samus? O-O-OK, so now you have to jump in the lava, ok? Don't worry Samus don't worry your suit, your *URRP* s-suit will protect you. Infact no you don't even need the suit, Samus, don't turn on your varia function a-a-a-aaaat all. If you believe, Samus, Samus if you believe then you can do great things! You don't n-n-need some cr *URRP* crummy suit to walk through lava, you can do it all on your own!


>Oooooooo-ooooooh I don't know Adam. I... I don't know if I can do this. I mean, th-th-th-thats lava Adam, l-lava is hot! W-w-w-w-w how will I save the baby if I get burnt up by lava?
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>>287930741
>>287931064
so gamecube renders by default to a low quality jpg?
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>>287931183
hell of a lot more accurate than a fucking 1920x1080 screenshot loaded with AA
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>>287931183
Fucking hell. I can boot up the game right now and get a shitty picture taking of Metroid Prime if you really want me to.
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>>287931182
>Heunter
>get aout of mah la-bor-it-tory!
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>>287921150
An update to this pic: Prime Trilogy is now on the Wii U eShop for I think $20, so you don't have to shell out hundreds for a hard copy.
Though the hard copy is pretty sweet; I preordered it way back when. Got the t-shirt too.
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>>287931287
I like how you made me eat my words about the other m screenshots, which is the actual argument
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>>287931182
>you will always see at least one faggot pretend this show is funny
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>>287917573
What the fuck was up with those husks? I know the lore for MP was totally fucked in MP1, but what does this mean for the lore of MP/Dark Samus in Corruption?
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>>287909607
Long ago in a distant land, I, Mother Brain, the biogenetic master of space pirates, unleashed an unspeakable parasite. But a foolish bounty hunter wearing a magic chozo suit stepped forth to oppose me.
Before the final blow was struck, I activated the self destruct sequence, and flung her into the escape shaft where my platforms are law! Now the fool seeks to return to Zebes, and undo the future that is Mother Brain.
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>>287931183
>>287931287
What are you guys even arguing about?
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>>287931638
>you will always see one faggot pretend this show isn't funny

>>287931701
The husks were Dark Samus' attempts at creating copies of herself. She couldn't make full on clones, so she bred metroid primes from phazon metroids. It's not clear if the husks are corpses or shed skins.
It would have been cool if you'd fought a number of primes on Phaaze. It's a shame Phaaze was cut so short.
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>>287931701
Metroid Prime comes from Phaaze. Every Leviathan is basically home to hundreds if not thousands of Metroid Primes.
What's strange is that only one survived the trip to Tallon IV.
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>>287931703
would you mother brain /v/?
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>>287931501
I wasn't making any claims about other M, just saying that the screenshot you were using to prove your point was in absolutely no way indicative of metroid prime's quality on the gamecube
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>>287931860

That's not how the lore works at all.
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>>287931860
>Metroid Prime comes from Phaaze
No it doesn't. Who told you that?
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>>287924163
>>287924293
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>>287932001
I just assumed since in Prime 3 you go to Phaaze and there are all these hollow Metroid Prime shells.
Where the hell did it come from? Educate me.
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>>287931860
wat

leviathans are not always Metroid Primes
Emperor Ing was a leviathan

the husks are there because Prime tried to reproduce her birth with other metroids
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>>287931860
>>287932118
Metroid Prime was a tallon metroid that managed to escape pirate containment and find the crack in the weakening cradle, the crack that leaked phazon to create the Phazon Mines. It mutated rapidly as the leviathan gorged it with phazon, desperate to finally have a guardian. Eventually the Prime became so addicted and ravenous that it just devoured the phazon core and became the seed.
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>>287931819
also not indicative given its just his screenshot compressed to 640x480
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>>287932136
>Emperor Ing was a leviathan
It was a guardian. The leviathan is the meteor itself.
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>>287932136
Oh. That makes sense. So, it was just that one leviathan that the original Metroid Prime was born on or what? How did it make it to Tallon IV? Did Phaaze split off into smaller segments?
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I wonder what Metroid 64 would have looked like...

doodlydoodlydooldy
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>>287932136
Emperor Ing was not a leviathan, it was a leviathan guardian
the Ing themselves were mutated version of creatures native to Phaaze that came with the leviathan though
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>>287932241
But it's not, I actually just took that.

Also really, I don't understand what you guys are arguing about, can you please explain?
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>>287931961
my ENTIRE argument was other m looked like shit

THEY POSTED AN EMULATED SCREENSHOT OF OTHER M, THAT LOOKED LIKE CRAP
SO I POSTED AN EMULATED SCREENSHOT THAT DIDN'T
YOU ARGUED TRIVIALITIES TO DIVERT THE ORIGINAL ISSUE
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>>287932370
Probably would have been a 2d sidescroller with 3d models
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>>287932243
>>287932394

but metroid prime was the leviathan?
that's probably why I misunderstood
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>>287932508
Given that one of those screenshots is HEAVILY modified and the other is not, you cannot compare them
you need to use original unmodified screenshots
>>287932446
not the guy you were responding, he was trying to compare other m to metroid prime but was using a metroid prime screenshot for it that was significantly altered through third party software
I called him out on this, he refuses to admit
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>>287933027
are you saying that this was not emulated?
>>287924446
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>>287914890
>Samus has to prove to them that her actions were highly justified, knowing that what they were doing was batshit crazy

In a Phoenix Wright-style courtroom segment.
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>>287926820
>mfw looking speedrunning techniques on M2K2 and finding out that every single exploit was fixed in Trilogy
The one glaring flaw with how Retro handled Metroid is that they apparently don't like speedrunning and sequence breaking, even though that shit is fun as fuck and is one of the big appeals of Super Metroid and Zero Mission

Their concept artist is a fucking champion though. Android Jones, he's called.
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Timeline of Prime events.
Chozo colonize Tallon IV, cut off communications with the Zebes Chozo to live a peaceful life
Leviathan impacts Tallon IV, the Zebes Chozo are unaware that their neighbors are in such peril
The Phazon begins spreading, but the Chozo are quick enough to contain most of it in the core with an unbreakable barrier, but the barrier will eventually weaken and die
The last of the Tallon IV Chozo die off from their Phazon poisoning/ascention
The Leviathan is left trapped and alone, slowly dying without a guardian
TIME SKIP OF ABOUT 50 YEARS
Samus destroys the pirate base on Zebes, a small group of pirates flee to Tallon IV
While in orbit they detect a strong energy source, they land on the planet to investigate
They find the Phazon mines, start mining the crap out of it and doing pirate shit
They try to find the source of the phazon, but they can't get into the barrier
As they are pirates, they don't keep very good watch of the metroid and some escape
With it's advance sense for energy, one of the metroids manages to find the crack in the barrier, deep within the mines, and enters the impact crater
The leviathan goes bonkers and force feeds the metroid so hard it rapidly mutates into a huge metroid monster thing
The metroid eventually devours the leviathan, becoming the phazon core
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>>28793297
Each leviathan creates or otherwise gets a guardian to protect it. The leviathan is the meteor itself; on Tallon IV, metroid prime is its guardian that it created by feeding a metroid phazon until it was badass. That metroid also stole from the space pirates to get the weaponry and shields (I don't remember why at the moment, on mobile)
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>>287933170
while that one is also emulated sure, it is not enhanced to the same degree your other screenshot is
par example: it does not have AA enabled, and has a smaller resolution while in reality other m has a larger resolution than metroid prime

what I'm saying is, you obviously took the best looking screenshot of metroid prime, thereby inducing heavy bias into what should be an objective comparison

you truly want to compare use proper screenshots, if metroid prime is truly better than other m it does not need cheap tricks like that
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>>287933027
not him
but if your rules layering it this hard, it need to be on the same hardware, so both on the wii and not prime on gc
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>>287932974
>metroid prime was the leviathan
No. It was also a guardian. Leviathans are like seeds- they're launched from Phaaze, they take root on another planet, and they start corrupting the local ecosystem. One of the first things that a leviathan does is choose a nearby organism as a "guardian"- this creature gets pumped up with massive amounts of Phazon, and protects the leviathan.

On Tallon IV, the leviathan was sealed off by the Chozo, so it was unable to take a guardian for years. The seal finally started to weaken at around the time the Space Pirates arrived, so it finally took one of their Metroids as a guardian, creating Metroid Prime.

On Aether, the leviathan was carrying Phaz-Ing inside it, which were a species native to Phaaze. When it crashed into Aether, some weird bullshit (probably related to the magic Light of Aether) happened, throwing the leviathan into another dimension. It was forced to choose a Phaz-Ing as its guardian, creating the Ing race.
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>>287933603
>obviously took the best
>>287924446
>quick google search
only mimicking your lazy ass
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>>287933523

The shields and weaponry is actually natural
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>>287907615
playable bigley
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>>287933414
TIME SKIP A MONTH OR TWO
Samus comes along and wrecks up their frigate, crashing that shit to the ground
By the time Samus gets to Tallon IV the pirates have some pretty advanced bases built up
She find the pirates, fucks their shit up, reads all their diaries, steals all their powerups
She learns of Phazon, the core, and the 'worm' within (the Chozo were referring to the leviathan core itself, but now there is a guardian in the crater)
She kills a bunch more pirates, some metroids, finds all the keys to open the barrier
Goes down into the crater in her shiny new black tie suit
She fights the Prime, bringing it to the brink of death
With it's last breath, the Prime latches onto Samus and absorbs her Phazon Suit upgrade
Samus gets the fuck out and flies away, goes off to play with some Hunters in the Alimbic whatever
Prime slowly reforms itself on the stolen Chozo suit, becoming Dark Samus
Dark Samus takes off from Tallon IV, looking for tasty Phazon
Eventually she finds another Phazon infected planet, Aether
She manages to find her way into the Phazon rich Dark Aether and eats her fill, and then some more
Samus hears a distress signal from Aether, comes down to find a bunch of feds that got fucked up, kills some Ing and Pirate
Samus and Dark Samus fight multiple times, ultimately ending in one final encounter as Dark Aether implodes
Samus escapes, Dark Samus does not
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>>287933603
>other m has a larger resolution than metroid prime
Actually no, it's the same. The Wii's widescreen is anamorphic, so it's still rendering the exact same number of pixels.
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>>287933637
there is literally no difference since the Wii has built-in gamecube hardware to play the GC games and thus they will be exactly the same
and its not really rules lawyering to expect a comparison about console games to be about comparing said games on their actual consoles
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>>287933786
then it was just an error of naming terminology, and could have been pointed out as such

my point was that prime metroids didn't come from phaase
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It's just gonna be yet another retelling of Metroid 1's events, because that's all the fans ever speak highly of.
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>>287933892
I thought in the phazon mines there were pirate logs telling how prime kept breaking in and stealing their shit
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>>287933414
>The metroid eventually devours the leviathan, becoming the phazon core
No it didn't
The Leviathan is the Impact Crater area, the inside of the Cradle
Prime was just the Guardian
Prime could produce Phazon, but every corrupted being is capable of producing it.
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>>287934152

They were removed in the PAL and Trilogy releases, so they're not considered canon.
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>>287934251
>every corrupted being is capable of producing it.
then why the fuck does she need to consume it in prime 2?
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>>287933956
TIME SKIP GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS
Some small parts of Dark Samus begin to reform in the vaccuum, and she's then collected by a pirate Phazon harvesting ship
Using the Phazon stores on the pirate shit, Dark Samus reforms completely
She ends up placing herself as a god to the pirates on the ship, they go back to the Pirate Homeworld and take over the joint
Dark Samus manages to locate Phaaze, the mother planet of all Phazon, she's hit the jackpot
She enters a symbiotic relationship with Phaaze, and takes control of the planet
She begins sending out Leviathan Seeds with increased frequency, multiple seeds within the same month
Starts looking for an AU to hook up to Phaaze for some reason
Samus gets called in to help out with the AU problem
Dark Samus attacks Norion with a Seed, finds Samus, infects her with a Phazon tumor
The FEDs manage to jerry rig a PED for Samus' suit, and she starts using Phazon
Blah blah, Bryyo, Elysia, Pirate Homeworld etc.
Samus finally assaults Phaaze with the FEDs, finds Dark Samus and wrecks her shit
Phaaze blows up, and all known phazon is destroyed
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So before I invest myself in this thread, is it an Other M shitposting thread or is this legit lore discussion?
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>>287934251
and in case of Aether the leviathan seed was likely rendered inactive due to the dimensional cataclysm that happened when it hit

explains why dark aether's phazon levels are significantly lower than you'd expect from a long living seed
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>>287932207
Or a metroid mutated enough to start phasing though walls. Once they turn into those hopper metroids in MP3 they can't teleport anymore, so it got stuck.
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>>287934251
I'm not entirely sure about this, but I think Metroid Prime was the only creature able to produce phazon by its own means.
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>>287934251
There's no leviathan in the Tallon IV Phazon Seed, the guardian devoured it
The leviathan of Aether's seed was killed on impact because of the energy bullshit that split the planet
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>>287934310
Huh. Go figure, that's kinda dumb that they changed it. Although it's not really that important of a detail anyway
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>>287934431
shitposters have been quiet for a long time
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>>287934534
THE LEVIATHAN IS THE WHOLE FUCKING METEOR YOU ASSHAT
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>>287933414
>The Leviathan is left trapped and alone, slowly dying without a guardian
It actually ends up rotting, producing some weird, concentrated phazon. The Tallon IV leviathan is basically Mantorok.
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>>287934668
We're talking about the core of the Leviathan. You know, the little bug guy inside?
There isn't one in the Tallon IV leviathan, so it either died while sealed away or was devoured by the Metroid Prime.
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>>287934398
Corruption occurs some 6 months after Echoes dud
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>>287932260
Phaaze is basically a planet that is also a living organism. It launches leviathans to reproduce, trying to turn other planets into planets that are just like Phaaze; it's a planet-sized parasite.

Every leviathan/seed also has a guardian, which is made by pumping assloads of Phazon into something on the host planet. The Metroid Prime definitely used to be a Tallon Metroid, and was obviously an extremely powerful guardian compared to the others, since it was able to possess the Phazon Suit in order to become Dark Samus.
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>>287934668
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>>287934946
Phaaze is a more hostile Solaris
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>>287934431
Shitposting turned actual discussion
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>>287934835
I know what you are talking about. But you guys keep talking like the Leviathan is the core, when it is not. Yes, there is no mention of the core in Tallon IV, some say it died, some say it decayed and its corpes is the red/orange phazon inside the crater, others say Metroid Prime devour it and that's why it can produce Phazon, but all of it is speculation.
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>>287934890
even if Dark Samus instantly reformed that gives her like 5 and a half months to establish herself as the overlord of all space pirates AND upgrade their entire society to run on vast quantities of phazon

...god damn that thing is efficient, imagine if it'd had years to prepare instead of months
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>>287935019
you can't expect a troll to have played the games anon
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>>287934364
>>287934509
Consuming it regens health/energy to Phazon-based being, Samus herself produced Phazon in Prime 3, and she was capable of absorbing liquid Phazon to recharge E-Tanks thanks to the PED suit doing magic.
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>>287935051
Dunno if Phaaze itself is "hostile". Its a creature that just wants to reproduce, its very animal like in its behavior
Dark Samus/Metroid Prime is the real villain
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>>287935075
>But you guys keep talking like the Leviathan is the core
The Leviathan is one organism, the whole thing is one single creature. The core is the leviathan.
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>>287935019
>filename
>Implying Phazon Core and Leviathan are the same
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>>287934681
It's the attention to detail that really makes replaying this game so much fun. Finding out about things like this. I knew you could shoot it once to make its light flicker and have it fly around awkwardly, but, I had no idea it would fall down and die on the ground like that.
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>>287919397
I think the idea of a bio-weapon is that it leaves buildings and loot intact.

You can just nuke your enemies, sure, but then you've destroyed all their stuff and don't win any loot.
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I would like to see more Space Pirates doing crazy shit like trying to create killer robots, gene manipulation and shit without Metroids.
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One thing Prime kind of forgot about was the gravity suit. Other than getting through the crashed firgate, it was pretty much useless. I wonder why.
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>>287935075
Yeah, it's all speculation, but I do like this kind of speculation; it helps tie together the trilogy's variations on the same concept into one cohesive whole with no retcons or plot holes.
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>>287935298
Interestingly enough, they only fall to the ground and die if they're above you when you shoot them. Otherwise, they just explode like usual.
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>>287935390
In Super you only used it in Maridia. In Prime 2 you only use it in Torvus.
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>>287935287
The core is an "organ" of the Leviathan. Its brain, if you will. Saying a Leviathan is the Core, is saying a car is the same as an engine.
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>>287935395
Metroid Prime's origin is the true plothole. There is no true explanation.
>if it originated in Tallon, how come there are Metroid Prime dried shells in Phaaze?
>if it originated in Phaaze, how the hell did Metroid got there?
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>>287935390
It also reduces the amount of damage you take.
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>>287935515
No, in Super it had other usages. Like, it didn't just let you move around in water. It also negated lava damage, both of which were needed to get into lower Norfair.
I really wish the gravity suit blocked lava damage in Prime. It would have been a neat detail and the game wouldn't have gotten easier because of it, since the only place with any real lava threat, Magmoor Caverns, would be fully explored by that point in the game. Even the final area has red phazon instead of lava, so that's not an issues either.
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>>287935596
Yes, and the Prime devoured the leviathan core, gaining the ability to produce phazon itself. The leviathan died, but the Prime kept producing phazon. It's why the Prime's chamber has fresh phazon, and the rest of the crater is just rotting phazon.
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>>287935263
It tries to obliterate entire planets to reproduce. A being whose motivation is survival can still absolutely be hostile, just like animals can be hostile even though they're just trying to survive.

>>287935390
There were some things in Prime that were brought over from the 2D games that just didn't work as well. The Gravity Suit, Gravity Boost, Grapple Beam, and especially the Screw Attack just didn't work as fluidly in the Prime series, with the exception of the Grapple Beam really starting to shine in Prime 3 -- and one could argue its use in the trilogy is more clever than in Super Metroid.
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>>287935717
She shells were made on phaaze, probably to house various creatures, metroid prime just hijacks one of them the same way it hijacks your suit
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>>287935515
Actually in Super you need the Gravity Suit to get to Ridley. It lets you walk through acid like it ain't shit.
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>>287935763
That's kind of expected of a new suit.
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>>287935717
>if it originated in Tallon, how come there are Metroid Prime dried shells in Phaaze?
Because Dark Samus spent the entire game trying various methods to make copies of herself.
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>>287935717
>>if it originated in Tallon, how come there are Metroid Prime dried shells in Phaaze?
Dark Samus trying to create copies. It's not that hard to wave away.
She bred phazon metroids into Primes, but they couldn't become Dark Samus' because she didn't have a body/suit to give them.
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>>287935856
true enough, its a hostile creature but its not actively malicious
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>>287914920
>Scan visor a cancer
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>>287935596
No, the Core basically is the Leviathan. All the big meteor bits are just the outer shell, the actual organism is the Core.
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>>287935717
>how the hell did Metroid got there?
>When they're fucking everywhere else.

Maybe they're the children of Dark Samus, and they're dead because Damus can't into stable metroid genetics anymore.
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I need another Other M.
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>>287936187
would be interesting if her initial plan was to send a metroid prime as a pre-selected guardian with each seed to improve their defenses, but it failed for the reasons you just mentioned
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>>287934457
Very nice theory. Either that or a Metroid Hatcher
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>>287936221
Another M
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>>287936074
The Annihilator Beam was fucking amazing. I loved it when I finally got that in Echoes.
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>>287936074
Annihilator beam > Prime 1 beams > rest of Prime 2 beams > Prime 3 beams

Seriously the beams in Prime 3 just felt so phoned-in
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>>287936074
Quick, don't miss it.
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>>287936170
No the core isn't basically the Leviathan. You can't have one piece of it without the rest of it. The whole thing is the Leviathan.
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>>287935717
I think the Prime husks on Phazze might have been Metroids that the Space Pirates had when Dark Samus corrupted them and led them there.

As for the Prime on Tallon, no idea. Maybe since the Metroids were made by the Chozo (to counter the X parasite), a stray one wandered into the crater before they sealed it? But why would they have Metroids on Tallon if there are no X there...
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>>287936074
It's a shame they reused the models for the beams throughout the series, while changing the actual beams properties. They had some neat concepts for various beams they could have used, even if some were a bit over designed.
It really makes no sense for the ice beam in Prime to look the same as the plasma in Prime 3. Maybe the arm cannon just has four shapes?
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What are your thoughts on AM2R?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZV3ibzQpCfU
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>>287936538
A snail's shell is part of the snail, yes.
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>>287936669

Can't wait till it's finished, it's fucking awesome.
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>>287936321
>Metroid Hatcher without Plasma Beam: one of the harder bossfights in the game
>Metroid Hatcher with Plasma Beam: one shot one kill
>it's still got the dramatic intro cutscene and death cutscene
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>>287936170
The scans extensively tell of the Leviathans dying after the impact, while the Core lives inside its husk with the corrupted Guardian to continue spreading Phazon.
How in the hell one dies and the other does not if they are one in the same?
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>>287936669
I just learned that it exists. Thank you, anon.

Side note: everyone here should be paying attention to Ghost Song, an indie game that's currently in development. It's basically Not Super Metroid.

www.ghostsonggame.com
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>Metroid: Hunted
>FPS for the Wii U
>Takes place after fusion
>The Galactic Federation is after Samus for destroying their Metroid research lab
>They hire galaxy renowned bounty hunteres such as the ones in Prime: Hunters to hunt down and eliminate samus
>Encounters with the bounty hunters are totally unscripted events, except for the ones directly related to the plot
>Samus teams up with Sylux to help her take down the Galactic Federation. Only shows up in certain points. You and Sylux split up a lot to maintain the sense of isolation
>Samus' suit visually is leaning towrds the Power Suit but with some fusion suit elements, showing that over time she had been personally rebuilding her power suit
>Subtly retcons Other M
>Map of the current area on the optional gamepad
>Remake of Prime: Hunters multiplayer
>Released alongside a 2d game for the 3ds similar to the release of Prime and Fusion


>Traveling around a dark planet alone
>Looking for a missle expansion you know you missed
>Suddenly gamepad map starts blinking red with the words "[WARNING]"
>Corrupted sounding robot voice says "W̨͝a̵̛r̴͜͞n̶̢į͡͏n̵͟͜g̵̵̨.͘ ̵Y̴̕ou̶͘ ̀A̕re̶ ͟B́e̶i͜͟n̸͘g͘͟ ͟H̴u͞n̨te҉͘d́͏.̶̨"
>Map goes dark except for a blinking red dot getting closer and closer to your location
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>>287936669
I think the areas feel a bit too large and empty. I can't really explain it, but, I think if you were to shrink the caves down to about 80%, it'd look and feel much better.
Also, the music is a bit unfitting. Some instruments sound out of place. It's an ambitious project though and it definitely looks good and is well designed with plenty of new secrets, but, I'd rather just play Zero Mission.
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>>287936669

For what it is, it's absolutely amazing.

Especially since it's been in development since before Brawl came out, and is being made by just one guy, as opposed to a large team of fans.

I really, really hope Nintendo doesn't pull a Crimson Echoes.
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>>287933786
>On Aether, the leviathan was carrying Phaz-Ing inside it
I was wondering how that worked. Thanks
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>>287932207
They why was Phaaze literally slam full of Metroids?
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>>287936754
See snails die without their shell, both are inseparable, proving my point.
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>awesome side-characters like Kreatz, Mauk, and Ponchi
>Ridley generally being an asshole and loving every moment of it
>Adam as an actual respectable authority figure rather than a manipulative, incompetent domestic abuser
>Samus as a realistically vulnerable human being without being reduced to a whiny bitch like in Other M

Why is the manga so based?
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>>287933786
>On Aether, the leviathan was carrying Phaz-Ing inside it, which were a species native to Phaaze. When it crashed into Aether, some weird bullshit (probably related to the magic Light of Aether) happened, throwing the leviathan into another dimension. It was forced to choose a Phaz-Ing as its guardian, creating the Ing race.

Can I get a source on this?

The wiki doesn't say anything about this
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>>287938298
ridley was great in that manga
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>>287938298
>awesome side-characters like Kreatz, Mauk, and Ponchi
>Samus as a realistically vulnerable human being without being reduced to a whiny bitch like in Other M
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>>287938392

Okay, I have to admit that was a just a theory. But it's the most reasonable explanation for the existence of Ing and Phaz-Ing that I can think of.
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>>287935953
Makes you wonder if Phaaze was the original planet, or if it's just one of many in the galaxy.
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>>287936531
Fuck that thing
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>>287938894
I always figured the Ing were just the inhabitants of Aether in the separate dimension that the leviathan impact opened portals to.
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>>287938285
You can actually get snails without shells, and slugs with shells. I guess Prime would be a snail without a shell. Leviathans need the shell to survive impact, then they need a guardian to protect them, and it seems some other symbiotic duties. The Tallon IV core wasn't in any danger, but it died anyway. It seems they actually need a guardian to survive.
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>the rumored metroid announcement that nintendo is supposedly going to make won't be Metroid Prime 4
>retro studios will never do another game other than donkey kong (the games are good though)
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>>287939051

But then how do you explain Phaz-Ing?
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>>287936531
>that fucking door
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>>287938894
The Ing were created after the leviathin hit Aether with force strong enough to create dark aether.

Basically the leviathan gave life to the ing
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>>287938894
Actually, the most reasonable explanation is that someone decided to retexture an inglet to put on phaaze because it kind of looks like a blob of phazon, and they didn't think about the lore implications.

Lore wise, it could be that a phazing found it's way onto the Aether leviathan, and wound up being the progenitor of the Ing. The Emperor Ing might have been that phazing.
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>>287938894
http://metroid.wikia.com/wiki/Ing There as a part named Other Appearances, that suggest this theory.
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Hey guys, what's going on?
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>>287939161
Phaze-Ing have nothing to do with the actual Ing species.

Its just a coincidence
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>>287939210
>Lore wise, it could be that a phazing found it's way onto the Aether leviathan, and wound up being the progenitor of the Ing. The Emperor Ing might have been that phazing.
That's exactly what I said before.
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>>287939161
I just thought that the sentient phazon was having fun mimicking Samus's past adversaries.

It's not a good theory.
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>>287936669
That music gave me a boner like you wouldn't believe.
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Ok basically the Phaze-Ing were native to phaze. When the leviathan crashed on aether it created the ing, but because of the lack of phazon they were created with dark matter
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>>287939360
I was agreeing with you. Also adding that the Emperor could have been the initial Ing. It could also be that the Emperor was just a regular Ing who managed to triumph over the others and take claim of the phazon deposit, becoming the most powerful Ing from Phazon mutation.
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>>287936939
It was fucking stupid the first time it was posted and it's fucking stupid now.
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>>287939686
Why are you so upset man? Just hide the post if you don't like it
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>>287939557
To elaborate, the theory kinda says:

Stupid Phaz-ing gets inside Aether Leviathan. Crashes into dark dimension, Leviathan makes Phaz-ing, its guardian. Corrupts it to hell and back. Dark atmosphere gets in the mix, mother fucking Emperor Ing is born. Gets pregnant and Ing pop out from mama for some 50 or 70 years .
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>>287939332
That's absolute horse shit. The Luminoth were pretty clear that the Ing appeared soon after the meteor struck their world and created Dark Aether.
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>>287939803
Some people go as far as to say the Sky Temple is the Leviathan.
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>>287939803
The whole leviathan died on impact with Aether, all that was left was it's phazon. It's why there wasn't phazon all the fuck over Dark Aether, because there was nothing producing it, it couldn't spread nearly as fast.
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>>287939557
Nah, I think they're dark because Aether has some weird-ass dimensional properties due to the Light of Aether. Remember, Aether is a rogue planet, it has no sun or solar system, its light is generated by the planet itself.

In b4 someone shows the picture of the sun in the sky of Agon Wastes, I'm aware of that, but the lore is pretty clear on Aether being a rogue planet so I'm guessing that was a goof on the skybox guy that nobody caught.
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>>287939803
I don't know why but I love the concept of just one stupid creature somehow getting into the leviathan and essentially ruining an entire civilization just because it didn't know better
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>>287939967
Yeah, I think even the pirates mention this once, that it was weird that the Phazon didn't seem to have a consistent source.
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>>287940049
I still can't get over the fact that the Luminoth are moths with an entire religion based around light.
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>>287939967
You shitting me? Almost all Phazon you ever encounter is in Dark Aether. It is not much still.
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>>287939803
>50 or 70
Nope, the Luminoth say that the Ing appear "soon" after the impact.
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>>287940343
Holy shit, I never thought about it that way.
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>>287940343
I also love how there are several different types of moths on their planet. Makes you wonder how their creationism debates went.

>If we evolved from moths how come there's still moths?
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>>287939967
Either the leviathan core straight up died, or the Emperor Ing devoured it. The Emperor seems to be a guardian, but it's a much more greedy guardian, preferring to horde Phazon rather than spread it.

>>287940353
When the leviathan impacted Aether the planetary energy went haywire, creating a pocket dimension. The leviathan and most of the phazon wound up in the pocket dimension of Dark Aether, almost none of it was left on Aether.
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>>287940541
MAH DADDEH WEREN'T A MOTH
AND HIS DADDEH WEREN'T A MOTH
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>>287940541
Luminoth aren't native to Aether.
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>>287940418
The Ing could very well just reference the species as a whole. The Emperor is the origin. Maybe he produced them extremely quickly. Soon could be months. The 50 or 70 years I'm talking about is the time between the impact and Samus' arrival (can't remember the time) I bet none died before that.
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>>287940564
Yeah, I said that. Phazon was more common to Dark Aether. The only reason there was phazon in Aether, was because of Pirates transporting it back. I don't see your point though.
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>>287907615
Honestly, I don't know anymore.

More Prime game would be boring as fuck, as Prime 3 was already getting to be stale.

Anything like Other M would officially kill the series, even if they polished up everything but still tried for a 2.5D game (Which Nintendo already have enough of as is).

No matter what it does, some vocal groups will be upset.
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I'm hoping for a post-Fusion setting. I'm dying to know what's next.
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>>287940883
Unless they make a 2D Metroid with beautiful 3D visuals and great music.
Maybe a stylistic aesthetic, rather than the standard slightly cartoony realistic style Metroid has always had.
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>>287940649
Then why do the native moths look so much like them? Checkmate athiest.
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>>287941018
I heard a pretty good suggestion for a main console game released alongside a 2D sidescroller for whatever the newest DS is, like what happened with Metroid Prime being released practically with Fusion.

I think there was a period of time between their releases, like a few months, but Prime had bonuses with Fusion.
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>>287940471
>>287941284
Damn moths are cute.
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>>287936806
You mean the nova beam, anon.
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>>287941306
Fusion: 17/11/2002
Prime:17/11/2002
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>>287941401
Were this another kind of thread, I would ask if /v/ would a moth, but that's just plain off-topic in a Metroid thread.

Besides, I know the answer is yes.
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>>287931850
It is never stated that Dark Samus was trying to clone herself. Since the emperor ing used t be an inglet, which come from Phaaze, Metroid Prime could have come from Phaaze itself as well. Those husks are just its shed skin, and it hitched a ride on a leviathan to Tallon IV.
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>>287941620
>Metroid Prime could have come from Phaaze itself as well
No, because it's a mutated Metroid, and Metroids were only introduced to Phaaze when Dark Samus and the Pirates brought them there.
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>>287941620
>Metroid Prime could have come from Phaaze itself as well
No, because there's no way a metroid could have gotten to Phaaze until Prime 3. All the metroids on Phaaze were brought there by Dark Samus and her pirates.

I honestly don't understand this bizarre "Prime is from Phaaze" theory. It makes no sense at all, and there's nothing at all to suggest it. You're misconstruing a simple set piece and forming a theory that contradicts the canon.
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>>287941528
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>>287939161
They're just ings that use phazon rather than dark matter.
They make the same sound, they look just like inglets, they're probably just ings composed of phazon.
You really don't have to look too deep into everything to be honest, sometimes a simple answer is all it takes.
Unless I'm missing something really vital here in which case sorry for sounding like a smartass.
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>>287941509
Ah, thank you for the clarification. It was the timeline on Wikipedia that had me confused. It looked like one was situated after the other.
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>>287940883

The reason Prime 3 was stale was because they went for a more action-y, streamlined approach to it. What we need is a game that actually lets you explore a giant world like the first two did, but have more varied areas like 1 did. They could do a huge game and make it look pretty fucking good on the Wii U's hardware.
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>>287941828
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What if metroid blast was a tech demo for metroid wii u
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>>287941881
Well there's not really any way for Ing to get to Phaaze. Dark Samus wouldn't have brought them there, she had nothing to do with the Ing.

The fact of the matter is that someone put the enemy into the game before thinking about the logic of it.
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>>287941791
There's nothing to suggest that Dark Samus wanted to create more Metroid Primes either. There's no legitimate explanation for the Prime Husks.

Dark Samus wanted Phaaze all to herself. Her entire motivation was to command and fuse with Phaaze. Why would she make more competition?
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>>287941917
>it's been 5 years since MOMMY
Jeez, the time really flies.
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>>287941881

Well, going by that guy's theory, normal Ing come from an alternate dimension, which was completely sealed off at the end of Prime 2. Then, in Prime 3, you find Phaz-Ing on the surface of Phaaze. If Ing come from another dimension, which could only be reached from Aether, then how could they possibly get to Phaaze? I think it makes more sense for Ing to start out on Phaaze (as Phaz-Ing), and then take a one-way journey to Dark Aether on the leviathan.
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>>287941756
>>287941791
I just don't buy the idea that a Metroid on Tallon IV was able to slip past the barrier and enter the impact crater. The writers specifically retconned the original story of Prime where Prime escapes and absorbs the pirate technology, because the cipher lock was still working. Aside from that, there's nothing to suggest that the lock was weakening. And we're still left with how they're Prime husks on Phaaze.
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>>287942451
>its been 11 years since the last 2d metroid
>its been 8 years since the last fpa metroid
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>>287942429
The Metroid Prime husks are fused to the walls. And there are a lot. I don't think that many Metroids could mutate in that little time. Metroid Prime was infused with Phazon for decades. Those husks are at least a few decades as well. Something is up with that.
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>>287941917

>the last real metroid game was released almost 8 years ago
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>>287942751
>Metroid Prime was infused with Phazon for decades
Source: Nothing at all.
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>>287942429
Inferior Primes wouldn't really be competition.
Dark Samus brought metroid to Phaaze for a reason, there was some goal she was trying to achieve by introducing metroids to the planet. It's likely, given all the Prime husks, that they were also part of this goal.
It could be that Dark Samus just liked having metroids around, as she was a metroid herself, and that Metroid Prime is just the 'natural' end point in Phazon Metroid evolution.

>>287942571
Think about it, anon. The Phazon Mines is a huge, dense deposit of Phazon that border the Impact Crater. It's fresh, and too small to have been spreading for 50 years.
It's also stated that the barrier will weaken, and possibly already was.
The space pirates knew the phazon was coming from the core, but with their abilities they couldn't find the breach in the barrier.
Then you have metroids, energy eating creatures. Their entire diet is energy based, so they'd have a stronger sense for it, like a dog. They can also fit into much smaller areas.

There was a crack in the barrier leaking Phazon into the mines, and a metroid that escaped pirate containment found it's way deep through the mines into this small crack.
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>All this Metroid lore bullshit
Metroid was better when it was on an alien planet shooting aliens and doesn't afraiding of anything
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>>287942882
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>>287942751
>Metroid Prime was infused with Phazon for decades
Metroid Prime had only been eating phazon for a couple of months.
There were no metroids in the universe(or, at least, on Tallon IV) before the crater was sealed. The metroid in the crater had to have gotten in recently, when the pirates brought them.
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>>287942817
You know... The fact that the Cipher was installed not long after the impact. The Metroid should have gotten inside by that time. Samus arrives some 70 years later. That's 70 years of eating nothing but Phazon.
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>>287942532
Which is also a fantastic explanation for why Emperor Ing, the guardian of the Dark Aether Leviathan, looks like a super-massive Ingling or whatever the small ones were called. He only looks like a warrior Ing when he mutates.
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>>287942959
:^)
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>>287942992
You got me there. Metroids weren't in existence 70 years back.
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>>287943019
>The Metroid should have gotten inside by that time
Metroids didn't exist 70 years ago. They're a relatively recent development.
And even if they had, there wouldn't have been any metroids on Tallon IV. The Tallon IV were a spiritual sect of chozo, they had no use or reason to have metroids. Metroid can't travel far through the vaccuum, and Tallon IV had no contact with it's neighboring Chozo sects, so there's no way a metroid could have gotten there by accident.

There were no metroids on Tallon IV until the pirates came along. One of the pirate's metroids escaped and slipped through a crack in the barrier.
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>>287942857
Horse shit, the Chozo logs refer to the creature inside the crater as "the worm" in multiple cases. Prime had to already be inside of the impact site long before pirates showed up.
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>>287911503

r8nh8
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>>287943206
Depending on if you count the manga, they may have existed 70 years ago.
BUT, Tallon IV had no metroids. The Tallon IV Chozo had no use for them, and there's no evidence or mention of metroids being on Tallon IV until the pirates came.

>>287943247
The Chozo logs refer to the Phazon Core, not the Metroid Prime. The leviathan is a living creature, remember? The 'worm' is the leviathan itself.
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>>287942992
Are you actually saying that Tallon IV did not have native Metroids? Because that sounds like what you're saying, but that's stupid as hell. The Chozo CREATED the Metroids, don't you think they'd have some floating around the planet?
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>>287938298
It's really underrated. I loved it.

>>287939110
Honestly, I'm fine with that. The Prime series was great, but I feel like we've had a really solid amount of it. Another Prime would probably be a good game, but I'd rather see a different type of Metroid game.
Preferably one that doesn't involve Sakamoto.
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>>287943356
Except the writers didn't plan that far ahead, and it's pretty damn clear that they're talking about Metroid Prime. Your scan visor even goes out of its way to call it an "aberration."
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>>287942429
>There's nothing to suggest that Dark Samus wanted to create more Metroid Primes either.
Consider the fact that the Space Pirates, under her command, were setting up entire facilities dedicated to infusing Metroids with Phazon. Also, note that obtaining a game over through terminal corruption depicts Samus transforming into a duplicate of Dark Samus. Finally, consider the fact that in all forms of her bossfight, Dark Samus repeatedly creates hollow husks of herself to attack Samus with. I think the clear subtext is that she's trying to reproduce herself.
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>>287943356
It honestly seems like you're reaching hard here, man.

Metroid Prime either came from Phaaze, or was a Metroid on Tallon IV when the Leviathan struck. This whole "metroid that snuck into the crater" thing is bullshit.
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>>287943247
>the Chozo logs refer to the creature inside the crater as "the worm" in multiple cases
The NTSC logs, sure. But they aren't canon. The PAL logs only refer to The Worm as something that they predict WILL exist. They never say it exists during their time period.
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>>287911503
Why didn't they clone Ridley, he takes a shit ton of missiles to kill. Metroids are pussies.
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>>287943574
>she's trying to reproduce
Hey, who isn't?
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>>287943667
The NTSC logs and the trilogy version. "Born of parasites, nurtured in a poisoned womb." Not "mutated" by parasites.
>>287943621
This guy gets it.
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>>287943621
It's impossible for a metroid to have come from phaaze
It's impossible for a metroid to have been on Tallon IV when the leviathan hit

These two things are impossible in the canon

>>287943567
Well obviously. They weren't thinking that far ahead, and didn't know the origin of the Metroids so they just said "Hey, the prime was in there".
But now that we know the origin of the metroids it contradicts that, so the canon changes. The Prime couldn't have been in the crated before, it's not possible. So it had to have gotten in when the pirates brought the metroids to Tallon IV.
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>>287941917
I wonder if they'll make us wait another 3 years to match the wait between Super and Prime, or if they'll go even beyond that and break the record.
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>>287943621
>Metroid Prime either came from Phaaze
How did a Metroid get to phaaze 50 years ago? They didn't exist back then.

>or was a Metroid on Tallon IV when the Leviathan struck
How did a Metroid get to Tallon IV 50 years ago? They didn't exist back then.
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>all this lore to discuss
>all those rich environments in the series
>all those memorable moments
>all that sweet exploration
>all those sweet upgrades and weapons
>all that everything
Metroid is so fucking good.
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>>287944105
The metroid entered some sort of temporal thing and time traveled back there. It makes more sense than there being a crack in the barrier.
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>>287944251
this
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>>287943862

>"the worst of the prophecies, and the most common, tells of the coming of the Worm. Born from parasites, nurtured in a poisoned womb"
So it clearly states that it didn't happen yet, and it talks about two separate things happening: Firstly, the organism being "born from parasites", and second, the organism being "nurtured in a poisoned womb".

Based on the "cracked Cipher" theory, was Metroid Prime born from parasites? Yes. It was born from Metroids.

Based on the "cracked Cipher" theory, was Metroid Prime nurtured in a poisoned womb? Yes. It was nurtured by the leviathan.

As far as I can see, it all fits. Where are you seeing a discrepancy?
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Prime was clearly a Metroid the pirates brought with th... but them the barrier and... how did it...

god fucking damnit
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>>287943667
All mention of the Worm is gone from the Trilogy canon.
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Guys, guys, come on.
Occam's Razor. The explanation that makes the fewest assumptions.

If the Metroid Prime came from Phaaze then you have to explain how it got there in the first place. It's confirmed to be a metroid, and the chozo never went to Phaaze, few chozo even knew about Phaaze.
If the Metroid Prime was on Tallon IV, why was it there? Why did the peaceful Chozo of Tallon IV have metroids? Why don't we see any mention of them, or evidence of their presence?
Both of those events are set years before metroids were created, anyway.

The crack theory makes the fewest assumptions.
It's known that the barrier was weakening
It's known that there were metroids escaping into the mines
It's known that there couldn't have been a metroid in the crater beforehand
The only assumption or explanation needed is that there was a crack. You can easily link the existence of a large, fresh phazon deposit and the fact that the barrier is weakening. The Phazon Mines is the only large deposit on the entire planet, and it can't be that old since it's still fresh and hasn't spread all that far.
It makes the most sense for there to be a crack.
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>>287944710
The American lore says that the Pirates made the prime, giving it weapons and shit because they're fucking space pirates.
That is impossible, though, and they retconned it. The Prime and the Pirates couldn't breach the barrier, so they couldn't have met.
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>>287944710
phazon metroids can faze through walls
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>>287944862

I don't know if I buy the Phazon Metroid idea, since the very first time you encounter Phazon Metroids, they're completely trapped by simple energy fields. If we're assuming the Cipher never weakened, I would think it would be more difficult to get through than that. If we assume the Cipher DID weaken, then I don't see why we even need to bring Phazon Metroids into this.
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>>287922454
>TFW I made this image
>TFW someone is using an image I made
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>>287944862
That's also a possibility.
Either it got in through a crack, or the pirates managed to create a phasing metroid and it just warped it's way into the barrier.
You still have to explain the mines, though. How is there such a large deposit just sitting there? It's too small to have been spreading for 50 years, and too big for the chozo to have missed when they sealed the crater.
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