What do you want to see from the next Metroid game in terms of story and extended lore?
I'm pretty curious about the Ylla and the N'kren. That said, I also like how the scans occasionally mention things that are totally outside the game, like random aliens that the Space Pirates trade with. It helps establish that there's more to the universe than JUST Samus Aran's personal Pirate-and-Chozo-centric adventures.
Does someone want to explain all of the Metroid lore?
I've played the games but never really followed the lore and would love to get into it.
after fusion. samus is now an outlaw and has to clear her name.
somewhat shady optional missions/quest lines that involve bounty hunting to earn space credits or whatever because she has no other choice.
of course, she would be catching criminals, but the quest givers are shady.
Just read the wiki for a bit. And read the canon manga.
I have been considering making a video about all of the lore but I don't have a great mic and don't know if its worth my time
There is no lore other then Other M
Post ideal Sylux backstory
>Galactic Federation is trying to reverse engineer Samus' suit
>They get some intern or scientist to beta test it
>the feature that merges Samus' suit with her consciousness acts up, essentially merging the scientist and the prototype into one entity.
>The suit is impossible for Sylux to take off
>He no longer can do things like eat/sleep or other human things
>His life is ruined because of this
>Hates the Galactic Federation because of this
>Vows to take them down
>After crashing the G-Fed Station into a goddamn planet, Samus is now in big trouble.
>Samus has to prove to them that her actions were highly justified, knowing that what they were doing was batshit crazy
>She might even need the assistance of other bounty hunters (I still wonder if she has intact with her squad from the manga)
I'm just wishing for a full explanation on WHY the Federation was making Metroids/ Using the X-Parasites.
I want to see her Daughter. Adria in her 14-18 year of age using an earlier model of Varia suit Samus used to wear when she was younger. Her Mother is now her spotter and follows her on missions to teach her the trade.
>they are all essentially Ripley and don't even act as a hive to kill the Hunter but instead most of them are busy ripping each other to pieces in the back ground while you fight off the few dozen at a time that recognize you
>Worlds are now far more open and have intricate path mechanics to allow for multiple routes through a mission
>Samus, even in her old age, is far more stout and straight up powerful. Dealing death and soaking up damage with all her old call back.
>Adria is using a slimmed down version of the Varia suit that emphasis acrobatics and agility over armor and raw strength. Used to teach Samus the basics before lumping her with a huge ass cannon.
>You can switch between the two to complete the level or between parts that are easier for one to tackle over the other
>Boss fights employ both in most cases in which an A.I. will take over the vacant Hunter
>Bosses will factor around using Samus' and her bulk or Adria and her maneuverability to strike at weak points so when you play as one you must compliment the other.
Don't tread on me. If they are going to fucking flesh out Samus as a character in her annoying emotions at least give us a de facto avatar to redirect all her unspoken vagina monologues. Plus older strong mothers and young anxious to prove daughters are fucking hot and interesting as fuck dynamic to play off of.
>I'm just wishing for a full explanation on WHY the Federation was making Metroids/ Using the X-Parasites.
The same reason the Pirates were trying to use Metroids: They're pretty damn effective as bioweapons.
The power suit isn't something that can easily be taken on and off like that, its connected to Samus on an spiritual level. She just summons it on and off.
The Chozo are no longer around to teach any sort of Samus' offspring how to use the suit or train her.
Most real fans consider Samus asexual. Although that woudn't really go against anything set in stone, a lot of die hard fans would be unhappy
KNOW WHAT ELSE IS A GOOD WEAPON?
NUCLEAR OR ZERO POINT OR BLACK HOLE OR TRANS-PLASMIC
THINGS THAT MAKE ENTIRE PLANETS OR STATIONS GO AWAY INTO THE EITHER
SPIKE FERRETS THAT CLIMB WALLS ARE NOT EXACTLY AMAZING FUCKING BIO-WEAPONS
Well if the lore is this deep and her armor this profoundly special to her.
Why did other M rape her and the entire idea of Samus being an interesting character by making her armor disintegrate when the story demanded she act like a weak soon to be raped by a hell beast chinese character actress?
>"Hey, you know that game series that's all about exploring confined environments in isolation, and expanding your abilities to become unstoppable? What if we made it about exploring open environments with a partner, where neither of you get to be fully empowered?"
>"To satisfy my mother-daughter fetish, why else?"
I am down for the former but since they seem hell bent on changing something in the formula a co-op passing of the torch puzzle AC/DC mechanic is better then "Let's make Samus pitiful and retarded and timid like shy delicate flower" in a gimp suit bullshit.
Those are the only 3D ones that matter and since Metroid is pretty much exclusively 3D...
Prime actually follows what was set up in Metroid, Metroid II, and Super Metroid fairly well. Fusion and Zero Mission followed suit, and the only game to show the suit having mobility and reflexes was Other M.
I've never played a Metroid game but regularly shit post about it. I've even managed to shit up a few good threads just by mentioning this Other M thing you guys don't seem to like and derailing it from there.
How do you feel?
>What do you want to see from the next Metroid game in terms of story and extended lore?
>covers the origin of the Metroid species
>Chozo still alive
>Samus is still Lil' Samus
main character is a Chozo in power armor
I feel pity. Go make your life better.
>that crap tier pic
>still praiseing prime for cunlky fps as great 3d.
The Zero Suit isn't even anything special, and I hate how everyone seems to have interpreted a japanese way of saying something as making this ordinary flightsuit into something it isn't.
"Zero Suit Samus" is just an easy way of saying "This is Samus without the Power Suit." But no. Everyone has to jump on this bandwagon thinking that it's some integral part of the Power Suit design.
its the best if you don't like your eyes
so yes, easy
If there were Space Pirates in the BSL, wouldn't this leave the possibility of infected space pirates still around?
And who's to say there wasn't another BSL/Bottled Ship(not that we'll hold Other M against it) elsewhere?
Yeah. I have.
All three of those games have Samus moving around like a tank. The difference between Zero Mission/Fusion and Super is Samus is stuck in "Run" mode, so she moves a little faster.
But that just makes her a slightly faster tank, that's all.
>responding to a guy who openly admitted he's here to shitpost
Holy shit, stop.
>all my posts have been subtle insults at the shitposter
I don't think you know how anit-trolling works
like I told him, he just wants attention, and I oblige
do I really sound mad, or that I care about loosing?
Just finished Other M
Nowhere near as bad as you guys led me to believe, but really not good either. Would love to play a WiiU version of it with a proper control scheme and the ability to move and aim at the same time added
>like I told him, he just wants attention, and I oblige
most of the hatred is that with the long waits they have no excuse to shit out a fan fiction tier plastic piece of crap that they did
>this fucking shit article again
No. Never, EVER tell anyone to read this. It's complete fanfiction, published under the guise of a "plot guide" because Kotaku wouldn't know a fact from a hole in the ground.
If Other M came out the same time as Prime 3, nobody would be mad because we got a good Metroid, and a bad Metroid. Other M came out in a small Metroid drought and obviously had potential, but was held back by Sakamoto.
except every design decision was literally due to a fan fiction type mindset, even the game-plays retardation
>I liked the art style
flat uninspired, garish plastic?
I never played a Metroid Game but now I want to.
>would like to see it in HD
Your wish is granted.
from the scrutiny of this fandom?
please, don't be deluded
other was bad and only a complete overhaul would have saved it at all
you aren't baiting hard enough to appear to be a troll
Well obviously with a few tweaks it would present better. With a dual control stick configuration it could go from a 7 to an 8 no problem, irregardless of any additional improvements Nintendo make
>its takes events from the games and strings them together with clearly labled speculation that make logical sense
Top fucking kek, it ignores the events of the games and makes up ridiculous bullshit. Here's a summary of all the ways it's unbelievably wrong:
The games explicitly state that Metroids weren't originally from Phaaze. Metroid Prime never had Chozo armor. There's no way the Chozo could have assembled a "gargantuan ship" on Tallon IV, because the planet was a fucking nature commune from day one. The name Phaaze was coined by AU 242, not the Chozo. Metroids were developed by Grey Voice and Mother Brain during Samus' lifetime, not decades ago by random Chozo on Phaaze. The Wrecked Ship on Zebes was (most likely) from Chozo colonists, not returning warriors. SR388 wasn't alive. Metroids weren't developed on SR388. The Luminoth didn't have communication with Tallon IV. The Luminoth DEFINITELY didn't know about Phaaze. Dark Aether was not created intentionally. Mother Brain wasn't altered by the Pirates, she went nuts independently. The Pirates didn't invade Tallon IV, they retreated to it after Samus wreckt them. Samus didn't buy info on the Pirate ship at Tallon IV, she tracked it by distress signal. Metroid Prime had been there for years (at most) not decades. AND THAT'S JUST PART ONE.
As for part two: Dark Samus revealed herself onboard the Colossus, not on Urtraghus, and as a result she never fought any armies- just a crew of Pirates. She took over the Pirate race by launching a leviathan at them, not bullshit mass hypnosis. The leviathans launched by Dark Samus traveled at the same speed as any other leviathan. The concept of Dark Samus trying to replicate herself is plausible but unconfirmed. There's little evidence of the GFeds ever widely adopting Phazon, and certainly not on the massive scale this article postulates. There was never any amount of war over Phazon supplies. No Hunters were ever dispatched in this war, naturally, as it never happened. The four Hunters hired in Prime 3 were only supposed to restore the disabled AU network. Ridley never made any kind of stealth mission to Norion, because the AUs were infected via the network connection from Unit 313. The phazon corruption experienced by the Hunters is being vastly exaggerated here, and it wasn't terminal. Again, the Federation didn't need Phazon. The junk about Pirates imploding as their bones disappeared from Phaaze's destruction is ridiculous. SR388 was not alive. There's no conclusive evidence that the Pirate race was wiped out by the Zebes explosion. Samus never made any kind of deal regarding Metroid synthesis. Samus killed the SA-X she absorbed, not the Omega Metroid. Samus isn't part Metroid. Everything after Fusion is speculative bullshit.
Quick google search. This game only looks nice.
A big part of the bad was a) using the d-pad for 3D movement and b) not being able to move at all in first person. Three nunchuck may not have fixed Other M's story or level design, but it would have made the gameplay a lot less shitty.
this looks like ass
different texture resolutions,
you can literally see pixilation of samus, and the streached floor texture
clashing color schemes
the monster looks like it has downs
fuck the pauldrons are flat and reflective
and you know that the samus model is so bad you can see through parts of it due to normal culling right?
for movement to improve the game, the environment needs to be worthy of being moved through
and a major downside of the environment is its sparse, ugly, and backtracking is punished
nintendo fucking shipped this game with a bug that fucking locked you into a room if you backtracked, and their fix? snail mail them your WII's HARD DRIVE so they can edit the save file
and this was on the gamecube, and the WII
hey now, they said no more shitposting
>Sakamoto doesn't even recognize the fucking Gravity Suit
this guy DEFINES hack writer holy shit
>Learning how to speedrun Prime
>Game has no horizontal speed cap
This is such a weird game to speedrun, but, my god. It's fun. All these skips.
How is it not an FPS? It's core gameplay mechanics is shooting from a first-person perspective. I mean, it has a lot of other shit not commonly found in FPS games, but, I'd still say it's an FPS.
Metroid is so clever with it's lore and storytelling.
The fact the you can play through the whole of Corruption without even knowing what or who the final boss is is incredible to me.
It's like a murder mystery in space, except with more scan logs.
How is it not an FPR? It's core gameplay mechanics is running from a first-person perspective. I mean, it has a lot of other shit not commonly found in FPR games, but, I'd still say it's an FPR.
No, I'm genuinely curious.
Hey, now. No need to be a douchebag. I'm honestly trying to discuss this here, even if discussing genre is kind of pointless.
You run in a lot of games, but, that doesn't mean running is the main attraction, so to speak. I don't think calling something an FPS is detrimental to the game. Hell, Metroid Prime is my favourite. Period. But, I don't see how it's not an FPS. I know the term first-person adventure has been thrown around, which makes sense, I guess.
That's because Prime had very large and high quality textures which the GC could not properly display. These textures are part of the reason why metroid prime aged pretty well but they are also the reason why emulated version look vastly better
other m didn't have something like this so its emulation is limited to the typical filter enhancements
then enlighten me and show me an unemulated gc screenshot from that room
I know most people call it an FPS as a derogatory term and usually make comparisons to Halo. But, those are far too obvious to even give attention to. I'm not trolling or baiting or whatever though.
How is it being a douchebag? Running is a larger part of metroid prime than shooting, so should you call it a first person runner?
you don't because the game does not try to be a running game.
And neither does it try to be a shooting game, all calling it an FPS does is give people wrong preconceptions about the game and invite true FPS fans to complain about how the game is not a great FPS because of several factors (auto-aim for one)
the game is about exploration and puzzles (difficult enemies are a form of puzzle in metroid prime games), not shooting, so its primary genre should be indicative of this
My thought for Metroid Prime 4 is that a group of Chozo who left with the rest have returned, not content with the nomadic space philosophers life the rest of the Chozo have accepted. They remember when the Chozo were a powerful empire with the most advanced weapons in the galaxy, and have come back to reclaim their empire and destroy the GFed. It takes place post-Fusion, and Samus will get a new Varia suit, however the Chozo warriors will also be wearing variants thereof. Basically the Chozo come back and start fucking shit up and it's up to Samus to stop them.
I didn't mean make it yourself, hell just find any in-game comparison to support your claim
I never claimed it wasn't an emulator you dunce, I claimed that the emulator didn't "enhance" prime just as it didn't enhance other m, and by your statements it only accessed data that was already there
>like the Asgard from Stargate
it accessed data that was already there yes, but said data could not be displayed properly by the gamecube
hence my statement that said screenshot was very OBVIOUSLY not indicative of the quality of said game on its release console
if you really want an "once great dead civilization comes back" in the metroid universe you could also use the Luminoth
I mean those fuckers sure as hell never truly renounced their warrior ways, after all they were building fucking Quadraxis before the leviathan hit
this whole argument is not primes quality, its other m's, you just know you lost that one and are arguing trivialities and irrelevancies to prevent acknowledging that
not them but not axing it or renouncing it in anyway, along with games are of higer cannon priority that obscure manga, that's pretty much an confirming it as acceptable
also i think Shitamoto dissed the prime series as an irrelevant spin off, and wasn't rebuked
>one of gaming's richest universes
Metroid is one of my favorite IPs but it is most certainly not a "rich universe." It's pretty goddamn barebones. And that's the fucking point. The details of the Metroid universe don't fucking matter, except as a sprinkling of flavor on top of a solid core of exploration-based gameplay.
can't find one quickly of the same room, but compare this screenshot to the one you posted
the difference in quality should be obvious
for one the gamecube did not have AA, which is somehow present in yours
>i think Shitamoto dissed the prime series as an irrelevant spin off
>Sakamoto: "The story takes place between the first one on the Famicom Disk System and is followed by Metroid II. I had the idea to make it separately as a gaiden [side story], but wouldn't it be a cop-out to call it a gaiden? Because of that, I consulted with Tanabe, and things fell into place very naturally. The local staff worked on it really hard, it serves as part of the series, and I think they completed it very well."
He's a terrible writer, but he's not a complete asshole.
>posts a thumbnail jpg with a website watermark in a quality argument
ok then you won
clearly other m is not visual shit
even though other m is complete dog shit, saying that it isn't canon would damage the franchise.
the best thing they can do is not reference it ever again.
which it looks like they're doing, hence prime trilogy on the e shop instead.
Seriously I don't recommend ANYONE ever read this if they want to get into Metroid.
There is so much fake shit its ridiculous
>The use of gaiden is commonly used in popular Japanese fiction to refer to a spin-off of a previously published work that is neither officially considered a sequel nor a prequel.
>not part of "main story"
how is this not a dismissal?
anyone who payed attention knows other m already damaged any cannon, and gave no shits about it
The Power Suit has made Samus highly mobile and highly tanky in every Metroid game. She soaks damage that would kill any regular human pretty much constantly. The Power Suit is a marvel of sci-fi engineering, not bound to tabletop archetypes of acrobatic-but-flimsy or tough-but-slow; it's both acrobatic and tough.
That said, I do like the bulky look of the fully upgraded Dark Suit; it was an interesting change of pace from the more sleek Varia Suit and the super-sleek Light Suit.
>Metroid is pretty much exclusively 3D
It's about half and half. 5-6 2D games and 5 3D games IIRC.
>Samus, Samus? O-O-OK, so now you have to jump in the lava, ok? Don't worry Samus don't worry your suit, your *URRP* s-suit will protect you. Infact no you don't even need the suit, Samus, don't turn on your varia function a-a-a-aaaat all. If you believe, Samus, Samus if you believe then you can do great things! You don't n-n-need some cr *URRP* crummy suit to walk through lava, you can do it all on your own!
>Oooooooo-ooooooh I don't know Adam. I... I don't know if I can do this. I mean, th-th-th-thats lava Adam, l-lava is hot! W-w-w-w-w how will I save the baby if I get burnt up by lava?
>get aout of mah la-bor-it-tory!
An update to this pic: Prime Trilogy is now on the Wii U eShop for I think $20, so you don't have to shell out hundreds for a hard copy.
Though the hard copy is pretty sweet; I preordered it way back when. Got the t-shirt too.
I like how you made me eat my words about the other m screenshots, which is the actual argument
>you will always see at least one faggot pretend this show is funny
What the fuck was up with those husks? I know the lore for MP was totally fucked in MP1, but what does this mean for the lore of MP/Dark Samus in Corruption?
Long ago in a distant land, I, Mother Brain, the biogenetic master of space pirates, unleashed an unspeakable parasite. But a foolish bounty hunter wearing a magic chozo suit stepped forth to oppose me.
Before the final blow was struck, I activated the self destruct sequence, and flung her into the escape shaft where my platforms are law! Now the fool seeks to return to Zebes, and undo the future that is Mother Brain.
What are you guys even arguing about?
>you will always see one faggot pretend this show isn't funny
The husks were Dark Samus' attempts at creating copies of herself. She couldn't make full on clones, so she bred metroid primes from phazon metroids. It's not clear if the husks are corpses or shed skins.
It would have been cool if you'd fought a number of primes on Phaaze. It's a shame Phaaze was cut so short.
Metroid Prime comes from Phaaze. Every Leviathan is basically home to hundreds if not thousands of Metroid Primes.
What's strange is that only one survived the trip to Tallon IV.
I wasn't making any claims about other M, just saying that the screenshot you were using to prove your point was in absolutely no way indicative of metroid prime's quality on the gamecube
That's not how the lore works at all.
Metroid Prime was a tallon metroid that managed to escape pirate containment and find the crack in the weakening cradle, the crack that leaked phazon to create the Phazon Mines. It mutated rapidly as the leviathan gorged it with phazon, desperate to finally have a guardian. Eventually the Prime became so addicted and ravenous that it just devoured the phazon core and became the seed.
Oh. That makes sense. So, it was just that one leviathan that the original Metroid Prime was born on or what? How did it make it to Tallon IV? Did Phaaze split off into smaller segments?
my ENTIRE argument was other m looked like shit
THEY POSTED AN EMULATED SCREENSHOT OF OTHER M, THAT LOOKED LIKE CRAP
SO I POSTED AN EMULATED SCREENSHOT THAT DIDN'T
YOU ARGUED TRIVIALITIES TO DIVERT THE ORIGINAL ISSUE
Given that one of those screenshots is HEAVILY modified and the other is not, you cannot compare them
you need to use original unmodified screenshots
not the guy you were responding, he was trying to compare other m to metroid prime but was using a metroid prime screenshot for it that was significantly altered through third party software
I called him out on this, he refuses to admit
>mfw looking speedrunning techniques on M2K2 and finding out that every single exploit was fixed in Trilogy
The one glaring flaw with how Retro handled Metroid is that they apparently don't like speedrunning and sequence breaking, even though that shit is fun as fuck and is one of the big appeals of Super Metroid and Zero Mission
Their concept artist is a fucking champion though. Android Jones, he's called.
Timeline of Prime events.
Chozo colonize Tallon IV, cut off communications with the Zebes Chozo to live a peaceful life
Leviathan impacts Tallon IV, the Zebes Chozo are unaware that their neighbors are in such peril
The Phazon begins spreading, but the Chozo are quick enough to contain most of it in the core with an unbreakable barrier, but the barrier will eventually weaken and die
The last of the Tallon IV Chozo die off from their Phazon poisoning/ascention
The Leviathan is left trapped and alone, slowly dying without a guardian
TIME SKIP OF ABOUT 50 YEARS
Samus destroys the pirate base on Zebes, a small group of pirates flee to Tallon IV
While in orbit they detect a strong energy source, they land on the planet to investigate
They find the Phazon mines, start mining the crap out of it and doing pirate shit
They try to find the source of the phazon, but they can't get into the barrier
As they are pirates, they don't keep very good watch of the metroid and some escape
With it's advance sense for energy, one of the metroids manages to find the crack in the barrier, deep within the mines, and enters the impact crater
The leviathan goes bonkers and force feeds the metroid so hard it rapidly mutates into a huge metroid monster thing
The metroid eventually devours the leviathan, becoming the phazon core
Each leviathan creates or otherwise gets a guardian to protect it. The leviathan is the meteor itself; on Tallon IV, metroid prime is its guardian that it created by feeding a metroid phazon until it was badass. That metroid also stole from the space pirates to get the weaponry and shields (I don't remember why at the moment, on mobile)
while that one is also emulated sure, it is not enhanced to the same degree your other screenshot is
par example: it does not have AA enabled, and has a smaller resolution while in reality other m has a larger resolution than metroid prime
what I'm saying is, you obviously took the best looking screenshot of metroid prime, thereby inducing heavy bias into what should be an objective comparison
you truly want to compare use proper screenshots, if metroid prime is truly better than other m it does not need cheap tricks like that
>metroid prime was the leviathan
No. It was also a guardian. Leviathans are like seeds- they're launched from Phaaze, they take root on another planet, and they start corrupting the local ecosystem. One of the first things that a leviathan does is choose a nearby organism as a "guardian"- this creature gets pumped up with massive amounts of Phazon, and protects the leviathan.
On Tallon IV, the leviathan was sealed off by the Chozo, so it was unable to take a guardian for years. The seal finally started to weaken at around the time the Space Pirates arrived, so it finally took one of their Metroids as a guardian, creating Metroid Prime.
On Aether, the leviathan was carrying Phaz-Ing inside it, which were a species native to Phaaze. When it crashed into Aether, some weird bullshit (probably related to the magic Light of Aether) happened, throwing the leviathan into another dimension. It was forced to choose a Phaz-Ing as its guardian, creating the Ing race.
TIME SKIP A MONTH OR TWO
Samus comes along and wrecks up their frigate, crashing that shit to the ground
By the time Samus gets to Tallon IV the pirates have some pretty advanced bases built up
She find the pirates, fucks their shit up, reads all their diaries, steals all their powerups
She learns of Phazon, the core, and the 'worm' within (the Chozo were referring to the leviathan core itself, but now there is a guardian in the crater)
She kills a bunch more pirates, some metroids, finds all the keys to open the barrier
Goes down into the crater in her shiny new black tie suit
She fights the Prime, bringing it to the brink of death
With it's last breath, the Prime latches onto Samus and absorbs her Phazon Suit upgrade
Samus gets the fuck out and flies away, goes off to play with some Hunters in the Alimbic whatever
Prime slowly reforms itself on the stolen Chozo suit, becoming Dark Samus
Dark Samus takes off from Tallon IV, looking for tasty Phazon
Eventually she finds another Phazon infected planet, Aether
She manages to find her way into the Phazon rich Dark Aether and eats her fill, and then some more
Samus hears a distress signal from Aether, comes down to find a bunch of feds that got fucked up, kills some Ing and Pirate
Samus and Dark Samus fight multiple times, ultimately ending in one final encounter as Dark Aether implodes
Samus escapes, Dark Samus does not
there is literally no difference since the Wii has built-in gamecube hardware to play the GC games and thus they will be exactly the same
and its not really rules lawyering to expect a comparison about console games to be about comparing said games on their actual consoles
>The metroid eventually devours the leviathan, becoming the phazon core
No it didn't
The Leviathan is the Impact Crater area, the inside of the Cradle
Prime was just the Guardian
Prime could produce Phazon, but every corrupted being is capable of producing it.
TIME SKIP GOD KNOWS HOW MANY YEARS
Some small parts of Dark Samus begin to reform in the vaccuum, and she's then collected by a pirate Phazon harvesting ship
Using the Phazon stores on the pirate shit, Dark Samus reforms completely
She ends up placing herself as a god to the pirates on the ship, they go back to the Pirate Homeworld and take over the joint
Dark Samus manages to locate Phaaze, the mother planet of all Phazon, she's hit the jackpot
She enters a symbiotic relationship with Phaaze, and takes control of the planet
She begins sending out Leviathan Seeds with increased frequency, multiple seeds within the same month
Starts looking for an AU to hook up to Phaaze for some reason
Samus gets called in to help out with the AU problem
Dark Samus attacks Norion with a Seed, finds Samus, infects her with a Phazon tumor
The FEDs manage to jerry rig a PED for Samus' suit, and she starts using Phazon
Blah blah, Bryyo, Elysia, Pirate Homeworld etc.
Samus finally assaults Phaaze with the FEDs, finds Dark Samus and wrecks her shit
Phaaze blows up, and all known phazon is destroyed
and in case of Aether the leviathan seed was likely rendered inactive due to the dimensional cataclysm that happened when it hit
explains why dark aether's phazon levels are significantly lower than you'd expect from a long living seed
There's no leviathan in the Tallon IV Phazon Seed, the guardian devoured it
The leviathan of Aether's seed was killed on impact because of the energy bullshit that split the planet
shitposters have been quiet for a long time
>The Leviathan is left trapped and alone, slowly dying without a guardian
It actually ends up rotting, producing some weird, concentrated phazon. The Tallon IV leviathan is basically Mantorok.
We're talking about the core of the Leviathan. You know, the little bug guy inside?
There isn't one in the Tallon IV leviathan, so it either died while sealed away or was devoured by the Metroid Prime.
Phaaze is basically a planet that is also a living organism. It launches leviathans to reproduce, trying to turn other planets into planets that are just like Phaaze; it's a planet-sized parasite.
Every leviathan/seed also has a guardian, which is made by pumping assloads of Phazon into something on the host planet. The Metroid Prime definitely used to be a Tallon Metroid, and was obviously an extremely powerful guardian compared to the others, since it was able to possess the Phazon Suit in order to become Dark Samus.
I know what you are talking about. But you guys keep talking like the Leviathan is the core, when it is not. Yes, there is no mention of the core in Tallon IV, some say it died, some say it decayed and its corpes is the red/orange phazon inside the crater, others say Metroid Prime devour it and that's why it can produce Phazon, but all of it is speculation.
even if Dark Samus instantly reformed that gives her like 5 and a half months to establish herself as the overlord of all space pirates AND upgrade their entire society to run on vast quantities of phazon
...god damn that thing is efficient, imagine if it'd had years to prepare instead of months
Consuming it regens health/energy to Phazon-based being, Samus herself produced Phazon in Prime 3, and she was capable of absorbing liquid Phazon to recharge E-Tanks thanks to the PED suit doing magic.
It's the attention to detail that really makes replaying this game so much fun. Finding out about things like this. I knew you could shoot it once to make its light flicker and have it fly around awkwardly, but, I had no idea it would fall down and die on the ground like that.
I think the idea of a bio-weapon is that it leaves buildings and loot intact.
You can just nuke your enemies, sure, but then you've destroyed all their stuff and don't win any loot.
I would like to see more Space Pirates doing crazy shit like trying to create killer robots, gene manipulation and shit without Metroids.
One thing Prime kind of forgot about was the gravity suit. Other than getting through the crashed firgate, it was pretty much useless. I wonder why.
Yeah, it's all speculation, but I do like this kind of speculation; it helps tie together the trilogy's variations on the same concept into one cohesive whole with no retcons or plot holes.
Metroid Prime's origin is the true plothole. There is no true explanation.
>if it originated in Tallon, how come there are Metroid Prime dried shells in Phaaze?
>if it originated in Phaaze, how the hell did Metroid got there?
It also reduces the amount of damage you take.
No, in Super it had other usages. Like, it didn't just let you move around in water. It also negated lava damage, both of which were needed to get into lower Norfair.
I really wish the gravity suit blocked lava damage in Prime. It would have been a neat detail and the game wouldn't have gotten easier because of it, since the only place with any real lava threat, Magmoor Caverns, would be fully explored by that point in the game. Even the final area has red phazon instead of lava, so that's not an issues either.
Yes, and the Prime devoured the leviathan core, gaining the ability to produce phazon itself. The leviathan died, but the Prime kept producing phazon. It's why the Prime's chamber has fresh phazon, and the rest of the crater is just rotting phazon.
It tries to obliterate entire planets to reproduce. A being whose motivation is survival can still absolutely be hostile, just like animals can be hostile even though they're just trying to survive.
There were some things in Prime that were brought over from the 2D games that just didn't work as well. The Gravity Suit, Gravity Boost, Grapple Beam, and especially the Screw Attack just didn't work as fluidly in the Prime series, with the exception of the Grapple Beam really starting to shine in Prime 3 -- and one could argue its use in the trilogy is more clever than in Super Metroid.
>if it originated in Tallon, how come there are Metroid Prime dried shells in Phaaze?
Because Dark Samus spent the entire game trying various methods to make copies of herself.
>>if it originated in Tallon, how come there are Metroid Prime dried shells in Phaaze?
Dark Samus trying to create copies. It's not that hard to wave away.
She bred phazon metroids into Primes, but they couldn't become Dark Samus' because she didn't have a body/suit to give them.
>how the hell did Metroid got there?
>When they're fucking everywhere else.
Maybe they're the children of Dark Samus, and they're dead because Damus can't into stable metroid genetics anymore.
would be interesting if her initial plan was to send a metroid prime as a pre-selected guardian with each seed to improve their defenses, but it failed for the reasons you just mentioned
Very nice theory. Either that or a Metroid Hatcher
Annihilator beam > Prime 1 beams > rest of Prime 2 beams > Prime 3 beams
Seriously the beams in Prime 3 just felt so phoned-in
I think the Prime husks on Phazze might have been Metroids that the Space Pirates had when Dark Samus corrupted them and led them there.
As for the Prime on Tallon, no idea. Maybe since the Metroids were made by the Chozo (to counter the X parasite), a stray one wandered into the crater before they sealed it? But why would they have Metroids on Tallon if there are no X there...
It's a shame they reused the models for the beams throughout the series, while changing the actual beams properties. They had some neat concepts for various beams they could have used, even if some were a bit over designed.
It really makes no sense for the ice beam in Prime to look the same as the plasma in Prime 3. Maybe the arm cannon just has four shapes?
Can't wait till it's finished, it's fucking awesome.
>Metroid Hatcher without Plasma Beam: one of the harder bossfights in the game
>Metroid Hatcher with Plasma Beam: one shot one kill
>it's still got the dramatic intro cutscene and death cutscene
The scans extensively tell of the Leviathans dying after the impact, while the Core lives inside its husk with the corrupted Guardian to continue spreading Phazon.
How in the hell one dies and the other does not if they are one in the same?
I just learned that it exists. Thank you, anon.
Side note: everyone here should be paying attention to Ghost Song, an indie game that's currently in development. It's basically Not Super Metroid.
>FPS for the Wii U
>Takes place after fusion
>The Galactic Federation is after Samus for destroying their Metroid research lab
>They hire galaxy renowned bounty hunteres such as the ones in Prime: Hunters to hunt down and eliminate samus
>Encounters with the bounty hunters are totally unscripted events, except for the ones directly related to the plot
>Samus teams up with Sylux to help her take down the Galactic Federation. Only shows up in certain points. You and Sylux split up a lot to maintain the sense of isolation
>Samus' suit visually is leaning towrds the Power Suit but with some fusion suit elements, showing that over time she had been personally rebuilding her power suit
>Subtly retcons Other M
>Map of the current area on the optional gamepad
>Remake of Prime: Hunters multiplayer
>Released alongside a 2d game for the 3ds similar to the release of Prime and Fusion
>Traveling around a dark planet alone
>Looking for a missle expansion you know you missed
>Suddenly gamepad map starts blinking red with the words "[WARNING]"
>Corrupted sounding robot voice says "W̨͝a̵̛r̴͜͞n̶̢į͡͏n̵͟͜g̵̵̨.͘ ̵Y̴̕ou̶͘ ̀A̕re̶ ͟B́e̶i͜͟n̸͘g͘͟ ͟H̴u͞n̨te҉͘d́͏.̶̨"
>Map goes dark except for a blinking red dot getting closer and closer to your location
I think the areas feel a bit too large and empty. I can't really explain it, but, I think if you were to shrink the caves down to about 80%, it'd look and feel much better.
Also, the music is a bit unfitting. Some instruments sound out of place. It's an ambitious project though and it definitely looks good and is well designed with plenty of new secrets, but, I'd rather just play Zero Mission.
For what it is, it's absolutely amazing.
Especially since it's been in development since before Brawl came out, and is being made by just one guy, as opposed to a large team of fans.
I really, really hope Nintendo doesn't pull a Crimson Echoes.
>On Aether, the leviathan was carrying Phaz-Ing inside it
I was wondering how that worked. Thanks
>awesome side-characters like Kreatz, Mauk, and Ponchi
>Ridley generally being an asshole and loving every moment of it
>Adam as an actual respectable authority figure rather than a manipulative, incompetent domestic abuser
>Samus as a realistically vulnerable human being without being reduced to a whiny bitch like in Other M
Why is the manga so based?
>On Aether, the leviathan was carrying Phaz-Ing inside it, which were a species native to Phaaze. When it crashed into Aether, some weird bullshit (probably related to the magic Light of Aether) happened, throwing the leviathan into another dimension. It was forced to choose a Phaz-Ing as its guardian, creating the Ing race.
Can I get a source on this?
The wiki doesn't say anything about this
>awesome side-characters like Kreatz, Mauk, and Ponchi
>Samus as a realistically vulnerable human being without being reduced to a whiny bitch like in Other M
Okay, I have to admit that was a just a theory. But it's the most reasonable explanation for the existence of Ing and Phaz-Ing that I can think of.
You can actually get snails without shells, and slugs with shells. I guess Prime would be a snail without a shell. Leviathans need the shell to survive impact, then they need a guardian to protect them, and it seems some other symbiotic duties. The Tallon IV core wasn't in any danger, but it died anyway. It seems they actually need a guardian to survive.
>the rumored metroid announcement that nintendo is supposedly going to make won't be Metroid Prime 4
>retro studios will never do another game other than donkey kong (the games are good though)
Actually, the most reasonable explanation is that someone decided to retexture an inglet to put on phaaze because it kind of looks like a blob of phazon, and they didn't think about the lore implications.
Lore wise, it could be that a phazing found it's way onto the Aether leviathan, and wound up being the progenitor of the Ing. The Emperor Ing might have been that phazing.
>Lore wise, it could be that a phazing found it's way onto the Aether leviathan, and wound up being the progenitor of the Ing. The Emperor Ing might have been that phazing.
That's exactly what I said before.
I was agreeing with you. Also adding that the Emperor could have been the initial Ing. It could also be that the Emperor was just a regular Ing who managed to triumph over the others and take claim of the phazon deposit, becoming the most powerful Ing from Phazon mutation.
To elaborate, the theory kinda says:
Stupid Phaz-ing gets inside Aether Leviathan. Crashes into dark dimension, Leviathan makes Phaz-ing, its guardian. Corrupts it to hell and back. Dark atmosphere gets in the mix, mother fucking Emperor Ing is born. Gets pregnant and Ing pop out from mama for some 50 or 70 years .
The whole leviathan died on impact with Aether, all that was left was it's phazon. It's why there wasn't phazon all the fuck over Dark Aether, because there was nothing producing it, it couldn't spread nearly as fast.
Nah, I think they're dark because Aether has some weird-ass dimensional properties due to the Light of Aether. Remember, Aether is a rogue planet, it has no sun or solar system, its light is generated by the planet itself.
In b4 someone shows the picture of the sun in the sky of Agon Wastes, I'm aware of that, but the lore is pretty clear on Aether being a rogue planet so I'm guessing that was a goof on the skybox guy that nobody caught.
I don't know why but I love the concept of just one stupid creature somehow getting into the leviathan and essentially ruining an entire civilization just because it didn't know better
Holy shit, I never thought about it that way.
I also love how there are several different types of moths on their planet. Makes you wonder how their creationism debates went.
>If we evolved from moths how come there's still moths?
Either the leviathan core straight up died, or the Emperor Ing devoured it. The Emperor seems to be a guardian, but it's a much more greedy guardian, preferring to horde Phazon rather than spread it.
When the leviathan impacted Aether the planetary energy went haywire, creating a pocket dimension. The leviathan and most of the phazon wound up in the pocket dimension of Dark Aether, almost none of it was left on Aether.
The Ing could very well just reference the species as a whole. The Emperor is the origin. Maybe he produced them extremely quickly. Soon could be months. The 50 or 70 years I'm talking about is the time between the impact and Samus' arrival (can't remember the time) I bet none died before that.
Yeah, I said that. Phazon was more common to Dark Aether. The only reason there was phazon in Aether, was because of Pirates transporting it back. I don't see your point though.
Honestly, I don't know anymore.
More Prime game would be boring as fuck, as Prime 3 was already getting to be stale.
Anything like Other M would officially kill the series, even if they polished up everything but still tried for a 2.5D game (Which Nintendo already have enough of as is).
No matter what it does, some vocal groups will be upset.
Unless they make a 2D Metroid with beautiful 3D visuals and great music.
Maybe a stylistic aesthetic, rather than the standard slightly cartoony realistic style Metroid has always had.
Then why do the native moths look so much like them? Checkmate athiest.
I heard a pretty good suggestion for a main console game released alongside a 2D sidescroller for whatever the newest DS is, like what happened with Metroid Prime being released practically with Fusion.
I think there was a period of time between their releases, like a few months, but Prime had bonuses with Fusion.
Damn moths are cute.
Were this another kind of thread, I would ask if /v/ would a moth, but that's just plain off-topic in a Metroid thread.
Besides, I know the answer is yes.
It is never stated that Dark Samus was trying to clone herself. Since the emperor ing used t be an inglet, which come from Phaaze, Metroid Prime could have come from Phaaze itself as well. Those husks are just its shed skin, and it hitched a ride on a leviathan to Tallon IV.
>Metroid Prime could have come from Phaaze itself as well
No, because it's a mutated Metroid, and Metroids were only introduced to Phaaze when Dark Samus and the Pirates brought them there.
>Metroid Prime could have come from Phaaze itself as well
No, because there's no way a metroid could have gotten to Phaaze until Prime 3. All the metroids on Phaaze were brought there by Dark Samus and her pirates.
I honestly don't understand this bizarre "Prime is from Phaaze" theory. It makes no sense at all, and there's nothing at all to suggest it. You're misconstruing a simple set piece and forming a theory that contradicts the canon.
They're just ings that use phazon rather than dark matter.
They make the same sound, they look just like inglets, they're probably just ings composed of phazon.
You really don't have to look too deep into everything to be honest, sometimes a simple answer is all it takes.
Unless I'm missing something really vital here in which case sorry for sounding like a smartass.
Ah, thank you for the clarification. It was the timeline on Wikipedia that had me confused. It looked like one was situated after the other.
The reason Prime 3 was stale was because they went for a more action-y, streamlined approach to it. What we need is a game that actually lets you explore a giant world like the first two did, but have more varied areas like 1 did. They could do a huge game and make it look pretty fucking good on the Wii U's hardware.
What if metroid blast was a tech demo for metroid wii u
Well there's not really any way for Ing to get to Phaaze. Dark Samus wouldn't have brought them there, she had nothing to do with the Ing.
The fact of the matter is that someone put the enemy into the game before thinking about the logic of it.
There's nothing to suggest that Dark Samus wanted to create more Metroid Primes either. There's no legitimate explanation for the Prime Husks.
Dark Samus wanted Phaaze all to herself. Her entire motivation was to command and fuse with Phaaze. Why would she make more competition?
Well, going by that guy's theory, normal Ing come from an alternate dimension, which was completely sealed off at the end of Prime 2. Then, in Prime 3, you find Phaz-Ing on the surface of Phaaze. If Ing come from another dimension, which could only be reached from Aether, then how could they possibly get to Phaaze? I think it makes more sense for Ing to start out on Phaaze (as Phaz-Ing), and then take a one-way journey to Dark Aether on the leviathan.
I just don't buy the idea that a Metroid on Tallon IV was able to slip past the barrier and enter the impact crater. The writers specifically retconned the original story of Prime where Prime escapes and absorbs the pirate technology, because the cipher lock was still working. Aside from that, there's nothing to suggest that the lock was weakening. And we're still left with how they're Prime husks on Phaaze.
>its been 11 years since the last 2d metroid
>its been 8 years since the last fpa metroid
The Metroid Prime husks are fused to the walls. And there are a lot. I don't think that many Metroids could mutate in that little time. Metroid Prime was infused with Phazon for decades. Those husks are at least a few decades as well. Something is up with that.
>the last real metroid game was released almost 8 years ago
Inferior Primes wouldn't really be competition.
Dark Samus brought metroid to Phaaze for a reason, there was some goal she was trying to achieve by introducing metroids to the planet. It's likely, given all the Prime husks, that they were also part of this goal.
It could be that Dark Samus just liked having metroids around, as she was a metroid herself, and that Metroid Prime is just the 'natural' end point in Phazon Metroid evolution.
Think about it, anon. The Phazon Mines is a huge, dense deposit of Phazon that border the Impact Crater. It's fresh, and too small to have been spreading for 50 years.
It's also stated that the barrier will weaken, and possibly already was.
The space pirates knew the phazon was coming from the core, but with their abilities they couldn't find the breach in the barrier.
Then you have metroids, energy eating creatures. Their entire diet is energy based, so they'd have a stronger sense for it, like a dog. They can also fit into much smaller areas.
There was a crack in the barrier leaking Phazon into the mines, and a metroid that escaped pirate containment found it's way deep through the mines into this small crack.
>Metroid Prime was infused with Phazon for decades
Metroid Prime had only been eating phazon for a couple of months.
There were no metroids in the universe(or, at least, on Tallon IV) before the crater was sealed. The metroid in the crater had to have gotten in recently, when the pirates brought them.
You know... The fact that the Cipher was installed not long after the impact. The Metroid should have gotten inside by that time. Samus arrives some 70 years later. That's 70 years of eating nothing but Phazon.
Which is also a fantastic explanation for why Emperor Ing, the guardian of the Dark Aether Leviathan, looks like a super-massive Ingling or whatever the small ones were called. He only looks like a warrior Ing when he mutates.
>The Metroid should have gotten inside by that time
Metroids didn't exist 70 years ago. They're a relatively recent development.
And even if they had, there wouldn't have been any metroids on Tallon IV. The Tallon IV were a spiritual sect of chozo, they had no use or reason to have metroids. Metroid can't travel far through the vaccuum, and Tallon IV had no contact with it's neighboring Chozo sects, so there's no way a metroid could have gotten there by accident.
There were no metroids on Tallon IV until the pirates came along. One of the pirate's metroids escaped and slipped through a crack in the barrier.
Horse shit, the Chozo logs refer to the creature inside the crater as "the worm" in multiple cases. Prime had to already be inside of the impact site long before pirates showed up.
Depending on if you count the manga, they may have existed 70 years ago.
BUT, Tallon IV had no metroids. The Tallon IV Chozo had no use for them, and there's no evidence or mention of metroids being on Tallon IV until the pirates came.
The Chozo logs refer to the Phazon Core, not the Metroid Prime. The leviathan is a living creature, remember? The 'worm' is the leviathan itself.
Are you actually saying that Tallon IV did not have native Metroids? Because that sounds like what you're saying, but that's stupid as hell. The Chozo CREATED the Metroids, don't you think they'd have some floating around the planet?
It's really underrated. I loved it.
Honestly, I'm fine with that. The Prime series was great, but I feel like we've had a really solid amount of it. Another Prime would probably be a good game, but I'd rather see a different type of Metroid game.
Preferably one that doesn't involve Sakamoto.
Except the writers didn't plan that far ahead, and it's pretty damn clear that they're talking about Metroid Prime. Your scan visor even goes out of its way to call it an "aberration."
>There's nothing to suggest that Dark Samus wanted to create more Metroid Primes either.
Consider the fact that the Space Pirates, under her command, were setting up entire facilities dedicated to infusing Metroids with Phazon. Also, note that obtaining a game over through terminal corruption depicts Samus transforming into a duplicate of Dark Samus. Finally, consider the fact that in all forms of her bossfight, Dark Samus repeatedly creates hollow husks of herself to attack Samus with. I think the clear subtext is that she's trying to reproduce herself.
It honestly seems like you're reaching hard here, man.
Metroid Prime either came from Phaaze, or was a Metroid on Tallon IV when the Leviathan struck. This whole "metroid that snuck into the crater" thing is bullshit.
>the Chozo logs refer to the creature inside the crater as "the worm" in multiple cases
The NTSC logs, sure. But they aren't canon. The PAL logs only refer to The Worm as something that they predict WILL exist. They never say it exists during their time period.
>she's trying to reproduce
Hey, who isn't?
It's impossible for a metroid to have come from phaaze
It's impossible for a metroid to have been on Tallon IV when the leviathan hit
These two things are impossible in the canon
Well obviously. They weren't thinking that far ahead, and didn't know the origin of the Metroids so they just said "Hey, the prime was in there".
But now that we know the origin of the metroids it contradicts that, so the canon changes. The Prime couldn't have been in the crated before, it's not possible. So it had to have gotten in when the pirates brought the metroids to Tallon IV.
>Metroid Prime either came from Phaaze
How did a Metroid get to phaaze 50 years ago? They didn't exist back then.
>or was a Metroid on Tallon IV when the Leviathan struck
How did a Metroid get to Tallon IV 50 years ago? They didn't exist back then.
>all this lore to discuss
>all those rich environments in the series
>all those memorable moments
>all that sweet exploration
>all those sweet upgrades and weapons
>all that everything
Metroid is so fucking good.
>"the worst of the prophecies, and the most common, tells of the coming of the Worm. Born from parasites, nurtured in a poisoned womb"
So it clearly states that it didn't happen yet, and it talks about two separate things happening: Firstly, the organism being "born from parasites", and second, the organism being "nurtured in a poisoned womb".
Based on the "cracked Cipher" theory, was Metroid Prime born from parasites? Yes. It was born from Metroids.
Based on the "cracked Cipher" theory, was Metroid Prime nurtured in a poisoned womb? Yes. It was nurtured by the leviathan.
As far as I can see, it all fits. Where are you seeing a discrepancy?
Guys, guys, come on.
Occam's Razor. The explanation that makes the fewest assumptions.
If the Metroid Prime came from Phaaze then you have to explain how it got there in the first place. It's confirmed to be a metroid, and the chozo never went to Phaaze, few chozo even knew about Phaaze.
If the Metroid Prime was on Tallon IV, why was it there? Why did the peaceful Chozo of Tallon IV have metroids? Why don't we see any mention of them, or evidence of their presence?
Both of those events are set years before metroids were created, anyway.
The crack theory makes the fewest assumptions.
It's known that the barrier was weakening
It's known that there were metroids escaping into the mines
It's known that there couldn't have been a metroid in the crater beforehand
The only assumption or explanation needed is that there was a crack. You can easily link the existence of a large, fresh phazon deposit and the fact that the barrier is weakening. The Phazon Mines is the only large deposit on the entire planet, and it can't be that old since it's still fresh and hasn't spread all that far.
It makes the most sense for there to be a crack.
The American lore says that the Pirates made the prime, giving it weapons and shit because they're fucking space pirates.
That is impossible, though, and they retconned it. The Prime and the Pirates couldn't breach the barrier, so they couldn't have met.
I don't know if I buy the Phazon Metroid idea, since the very first time you encounter Phazon Metroids, they're completely trapped by simple energy fields. If we're assuming the Cipher never weakened, I would think it would be more difficult to get through than that. If we assume the Cipher DID weaken, then I don't see why we even need to bring Phazon Metroids into this.
>TFW I made this image
>TFW someone is using an image I made
That's also a possibility.
Either it got in through a crack, or the pirates managed to create a phasing metroid and it just warped it's way into the barrier.
You still have to explain the mines, though. How is there such a large deposit just sitting there? It's too small to have been spreading for 50 years, and too big for the chozo to have missed when they sealed the crater.