In your opinion, what's more fun in the Souls games: helping

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i only played single player. i never even used an item to write a message

inb4autism

I like helping
last weekend i helped a lot of people through sens funhouse.

>>285621874
I like co-op with someone I know. I find it a bit weird to help people who I don't know, but it did make me feel good when it actually works out. I could never get into invasions though. enjoyed the pve too much in the first two games to even bother doing it and by DaSII most of it felt really cheap.

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>>285621874
Both have their merits, but in the end there's just a certain satisfaction in that moment just as your phantom fades away and the host gestures his thanks for your assistance.

feelsgoodman

>>285622875
This.

If I didn't play DS1, will I miss out a lot on story and such if I skipped straight to DS2?

>>285622875
There's also a certain satisfaction when you receive hatemail after killing the host

>>285621874

Mostly playing other games that are actually challengine based on reaction time or character builds rather than trial and error shit

>>285622985
no you're just going to miss out on realizing some things which aren't that important

average das2 armor description:
>this piece of armor certainly is old... where could it have come from? hmmmmmmm??

>>285621874
I like helping people, but only because I'm a beta loser who enjoys helping people and gets all warm and fuzzy when doing good deeds, despite the fact that my life is shit and I need to learn to help myself more.

>>285622875
Both have their merits, but in the end there's just a certain satisfaction in that moment just as your red phantom backstabs and kills each summon and eventually the host and then gesturing as you get indicted

>>285622985
you'll miss out on playing the better game, but I can understand playing it for the fashion and more varied weapons being useful

I like to help

I primarilly stems from the fact that I blow at PVP but like >>285622875 said you feel good helping someone out

"We all want to help one another. Human beings are like that. We want to live by each other's happiness - not by each other's misery."

>>285622985
There isnt realy a story in souls games just fuckloads of lore hidden in item descriptions.
I'd start out with DS1 anyway since its the better game

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>>285623353
Holy shit are you me

>>285621874
Helping. I can't be arsed to learn the game well enough to be an effective PvP'r

>>285623673
I did start with DS1, but since I am a PC fag, I was repulsed by the majority of flaws and elements by the 30th minute of gameplay. I am hoping that DS2 is more optimized for PC experience.

Invading people is too scary

Invading and coming up with creative ways to kill people was way more fun.

>>285623353
>being nice is now beta
What has this place done to you

>captcha: dinin
Not now, Black Dad

In DeS, both.

>invade a level
>find host
>attempt to run past them
>if I succeed, I start to kill all the enemies
>they eventually start tagging along
>get to the boss fog
>stand in front of it
>I am the final challenge

Especially fun in 1-3.

>>285621874
I don't really like being a white phantom. I feel bad for ruining someone else's experience by trivializing the challenge.

Helping people as an invader is cool, though.

Darkwraith master race reporting in

>>285621874
invading

there is no nothing more fun than ruining someone else's fun through game mechanics.

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>invade player in DaS1
>Lost Izalith
>can't find player anywhere, he's clearly up to the boss gate though
>notice his hp bar going down continually beneath me, meaning he's in the poison maze under the collapsible floor
>watch his hp gauge as he finally, finally makes it out of the area and climbs up that last tree root
>he looks so weary
>i jump out from behind the corner and smack him back down to the bottom with the BKUGS
>he takes fall damage but doesn't die immediately
>dies to poison

I actually felt pretty bad about that one. Most of the time I help folks out. I'm sure I'd have been pretty salty if that had happened to me.

Playing by myself and destroying invaders.

I like helping more than I do invading.

In Demon's and Dark I remember 'helping' to be too much of a pain in the dick, so I occasionally invaded people and had fun.

But in Dark Souls 2, hooking up with others was smooth as fuck. I was laying down my summon sign all fucking day. I loved every second of it.

I don't know what'll be more enticing for Bloodborne, but my buddies and I plan to run through it as a team, if we can.

>>285621874
In DaS I preferred helping; the pvp was too shitty.

DaSII has much better pvp though, and the bosses aren't as ebin so helping isn't as satisfying. I spent around 500 of my 800 hours in DaSII purely on pvp, a fair amount of it invading.

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I don't like hand holding shitters that can't beat the game for themselves and hide behind babysitters to carry them through the game.

If you don't prefer invading then you're the cancer of the community.

>>285624628
>DaSII has much better pvp though
so shittier hitboxes and connection quality than DaS1 makes the PvP better?

>>285624413
>literally sentenced someone to spend another eternity trudging through that hell.
>the only award for that is fighting fucking Bed of Chaos.
You're an awful, great example of what invaders should be.

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>>285624359
We here and we're live

Just having fun doing silly shit. That's the best.
One time i got invaded while at the bottom of Sen's and i decided i to make a run for it, and he actually managed to keep up really well through the whole thing. We then had a duel at the top.

>>285621874
>what's more fun in the Souls games

pirating and playing it solo with cheats

>>285623847

DS1 is a better PC experience than DS2.

Once you added the dsfix DS1 runs flawlessly and you can even scale the fuckhuge UI. DS2 on the other hand has a bug where item degradation is based on your FPS, meaning your weapon will break twice as fast at 60fps.

Ignoring them completely is more fun.
Offline fo life

>DaS2 pre-patch Shrine of Amana
>help people through with magehybrid build.
>that one long stretch before the 3rd bonfire
>all those sorcerers and knights
>hacking through them and casting spells alongside a host
>killed the invader that comes after
>fade away just before getting him to Demon of Song
>tfw he sent me a message saying he killed and greatly appreciated my help

The warm fuzzy feeling I got was indescribable

>>285625241
DS1 has a ton of FPS bugs as well, dude.
PVP at 60 would be a really really bad idea.

>>285621874
I like helping.
Generally more satisfying
Partially because I just like coop stuff
Partially because I suck at PVP
Partially because enemies always seem much stronger than I am in pvp (i do low damage, they do high damage, that sort of thing)

>>285625241
Well, these news pretty much ruined the mood now, hells. What triggered me the most in DS1, was that I couldn't even rotate the face of my character during the creation, not to mention the abhorring controls.

>>285625405

all the people who pvp in the souls games are try hards

>>285624769
>DS2 image
>calling others cancer

>>285624860
Better than dr das1 or: how I stopped turning and learned to love the backstab

Is DS1 on PC still active? I just did a complete playthrough but I only saw a single summon sign the whole time. Might be because I didn't level past 50 though.

Low-level invasions when the PC version just came out where fun as fuck though.
>play all the way to 4kings so I can join dickwraiths at level 1
>invade people at undead burg dual wielding Dark Hand
>cast Iron Flesh
>just walk towards them and pummel them
Mages would fuck my shit up though since I couldn't dodge.
More fun:
>invade world
>drop blooming purple moss
>throw dungpies and toxic player
>if they beat me in time they can remove toxic, otherwise they slowly succumb

>>285625627
>abhorring controls

Don't tell me you're playing with a mouse? There's a fix for that, but it's a game you should play with a gamepad really.

>>285624769
>DaS2
I don't know what half those covenants are.

>>285625883
Didn't have a gamepad on the hand at the time, but yeah, I'll be definitely be using it for DS2. Can you direct me to the fix please, because I searched high and low back then, and couldn't find jack shit.

>>285625756
I get regular invasions in Forest and Kiln on PC. So yeah, some people are still playing.

>>285621874
Invading is more fun.

But I feel all warm inside when I help.

>>285625756

Forgot the best moment actually.
>invade host with two phantoms
>they run from me and hide at a crossing standing on both sides of the entrance
>walk up and cast Chaos Storm
>receive fanmail

The amount of fanmail I got on Xbox was amazing.

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>>285621874

Invading people and then killing everybody who tries to invade afterwards. Invasions rarely last long enough for that to happen though. The three-ways that used to go down in the forest were fucking hilarious.

I ranked all the way through the sunlight covenant in DaS1 in Anor Londo. The rare opportunities that we got a 3-man gank squad together to fight O&S was some of the most fun I ever had in the game. The only thing better was when a Darkmoon blade would invade our host when all three of us were running around clearing the area. Poor bastard didn't stand a chance.

In DaS2, I ranked through the sun covenant again, but not with any one particular boss. Did a lot of runs with people against Old Dragonslayer, Twin Dragonriders, Throne Watcher/Defender, and Nashandra. Was pretty fun, but nothing compared to co-op in Anor Londo.

>>285626058

DSfix for 60fps and small UI and prequisite for most other things
http://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls/mods/19/?
Mouse fix:
http://www.nexusmods.com/darksouls/mods/28/?

Your fps in DS1 affect your moment when rolling/jumping. As such, some jumps become harder at 60fps. I locked my game to 45fps instead since it feels a lot better than 30 and it doesn't mess with any of the jumps.

>DaS NG
>Chillin' in Undead Burg
>Kill the hollows throwing firebombs
>You have been Invaded
>Watch the host spawn, run along the bridge, into where the door to lower Undead Burg is
>Time it right
>Drop down with a plunging attack and one-shot him

That was fun

>>285621874

There's nothing quite like going into other peoples worlds and killing them in horrible ways for the sheer pleasure of it.

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>>285625726
>>285625928
The relevant ones on this context existed in Dark Souls 1 too. It's the same shit.

>>285626229
I still get 3 ways in Oolacile since it seems to be where blues love invading

Equally fun and rewarding. It happened more in demons souls but you'd invade the same player a shit ton, then drop a sign and help him beat the boss.

Demons had a better system for this. Pve co op gave the requirements to Pvp invade. Eventually you'd have to help people to keep invading. Best system na.

>invade someone in forest
>player dead as soon as I spawn
>receive 6 million souls

It really pissed me off since I didn't have any use for that many souls and didn't want to lose them by accident when playing either.

>>285626542
Thanks for all the info man.

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>Gravelording in Tomb of the Giants

>>285626712
spend them on green blossoms or use them to buy a bunch of upgrade materials

>>285626803

No problem. I hope you'll enjoy it more on your second try.

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>tfw lov level darkwraithing in the catacombs only to turn up the bridges for them

only to use force knock them off a cliff later

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>>285626712

>giving a shit about souls once you've reached your target SL

That being said, low-mid level invasions are the most fun.

>>285626853

I don't see the appeal in Gravelording when you don't get to personally witness your victims' suffering.

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>>285626591

look out guys we've got a badass over here

>>285626853
That feel when gravelording didn't work until I already had 300 hours in das and quit playing....

Was it as fun as I imagined?

DS2 at launch was awesome for PVP.

>join ratbros
>ascetic the area to NG+5
>rats one-shot everyone
Greatest moment was some guy using a giant's seed and fucking me up.

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>>285627018
>giving a shit about souls at all once you've gotten a 16k+ boss soul to dupe

>>285623251

kek'd

DAS2 and its constant

>hey *nudge* there was this kingdom here once *wink* maybe you've heard of it, its been gone now for a long time though... no you've probably never seen this before ;^)

>>285626194
I wish I still had my 360 because I never get fanmail on PS3 unless I instigate it by saying something like "way to spam WotG and still die"

>>285626853
>tfw gravelorded the tomb multiple times by placing my sign in the room with like 6 skellies guarding an ember
>tfw nobody ever found my sign

>>285627167
But who could know for certain?

I very much enjoyed the character I made on DaS1 for invasions with the darkwraiths. I kept him at level 20, got a maxed out gravelord greatsword, and then went up to O&S for Smough's armor. He was basically a fat blob that would freak people out who were going to the Capra Demon. Ohter than that, Anor Londo invasions are my second favorite thing.

>>285626708

You just reminded me of black phantom "helping"

>Go through the level killing all the NPC's since they won't touch you but you can kill them
>Get to the end
>At the end wave at them as a sort of sending them off
>They wave or bow as thanks
>They go to the fog gate
>One shot them in a backstab
>Welcome to demon's souls

>>285621874
Helping for sure.

>>285627087
You mean rat areas were awesome for Pvp.

Invasions literally didn't work aside from that until I was almost done with the game.

Had too much fun in the second rat area to be mad though.

At first I go for helping people, which is great, but that does get boring relatively quickly.
The endgame for me is the thrill of the hunt.
The AI bosses will behave the same way every time, but every invasion is different.

>>285627018
>That being said, low-mid level invasions are the most fun.
agreed unless you end up invading some guy in full Havel's and a +5 chaos katana that's lagging his ass off

Depends on what your definition of fun is.

If it's torturing your opponents you can always Hang around darkened anor londo, park yourself behind the big doors, cast chameleon, and then read a nice book and looking up now and again.

>>285621874
I spawned in the middle of a faggot and his 2 helpers in Heide's Tower of Flame.

I killed all three of them, saving the host for last.

Sure, they were probably absolutely shit to lose a 3v1, but nothing makes you feel like a bigger badass.

>>285627052

It's half the fun of the game and you know it, invade a world, kill off their blue phantom helpers then scrape and plague the host just because you can.

>>285627572
>low-mid level full havel
So, a fatrolling faggot? Sign me up.

>>285624184
This is how it's done faggots.

>>285621874

There's just something about getting a message from an anon in full caps after helping with O&S that is truly satisfying. Invading is fun, but it's most enjoyable when the host has phantoms with him, and then a blue/red invades at the same time. The 1v1v2 scenarios soon to be 3v1v1v1 in DaSII are the best.

>>285627572

There's a certain satisfaction in downing Havel shitters and Dadhanders when you're running around with Adventurer's Set and Flamberge.

It's a toss up. It felt extremely good to supposedly invade someone in Anor Londo just to open the doors for them but duels as part of the Dragon Covenant were fun as fuck.

>>285627167
>NO ONE KNOWS WHO OR WHAT HAVEL WAS, SOME THINK IT TO REFERS TO A KINGDOM INSTEAD OF A PERSON

God damn it fuck off with that nonsense and just copy and paste the first game's description if you're going to be that blatant.

>>285627598
Oh god, I had something like that happen to me at the shortcut from Lower Undead Burg to that one sewer tunnel with the undead merchant. A guy and his 2 friends were camping in there, waiting for me to enter so they could rape me. I waited outside for a bit, ran past the door, and they began to chase me. I ran back up into that tower, and tried to get the falling attack on them but missed. I quickly rolled between the host and backstabbed him, instantly killing him. While I was waiting to go back to my world though, I managed to kill his partner as well, with normal attacks.

Felt so great, they were both in stuff to gimp noobs too.

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>>285627828

>TELL THE OTHER PHANTOMS WHAT YOU SAW!!

Still the best greentext for DaS1.

Just started playing DaS never played DeS just late to the party I guess. Any advice for a good beginner build? I started with a Knight figured I'd prefer blocking to dodging mostly.

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Whats your favorite place to invade /v/?

>>285628332
Sen's, Anor Londo, Dooks and painted world.

>>285628332
Catacombs.

>>285628332
Sen Funhouse and Shrine of Amana

>>285628239

You fucked up. DEX/END builds pay off far better in the long run.

>>285628332

Duke's and Burg.

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>Summon hangs back and lets you do all the fighting
Yeah okay that's fine.
>Summon doesn't bother to use his fucking estus to actually support me as O&S take turns on my well-rutted asshole

>>285627604
>>285627604
Scraping spear and babys nail and lsom masterrace.

Shit was cash.

>>285628239

Advice number 1, classes only effect your starting gear

Advice number 2, dump armor till you're under 50% equip load for easy rolling, this will save your ass a lot more than any armor will

Advice number 3, do not make an "all rounder" build you will suck at everything, pick a build and stick with it.

From there it should be good enough to pick up the rest on your own, where the dragons are in world 1 are some great items, if you kill the boss, go to the nexus and come back they might not be there so grab what you can if you can.

Either way I am really surprised at how Dark Souls is still very much alive PC. Maybe Steam is actually working its magic, but I remember waiting forever for a single invade back in the days of GFWL. Now I get invade responses almost instantly

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>>285628619
>summon
>estus

>>285625349

>Pre-patch Shrine of Amana

That place was fucking hell.

>>285628239

Best starting char is Pyromancer since pyromancy flame is awesome, scales by itself and weighs nothing. Blocking is alright, make sure to get a Balder shield when you can. That shield can last you the whole game.

>>285628619
The people who are healing while helping you are burning their own humanities for it.

>>285628717
>dump armor till you're under 50% equip load for easy rolling
Under 25% really.

>>285628554

>Dex
>Not strength masterrace

Have fun with those katanas that get shattered by a few hits of the scraping spear.

>>285627060
After Dragonbros it's probably the deadest PvP covenant

>>285625037
>>285624359
>In Anal Rodeo, haven't killed O&S yet
>Trying to fucking invade
>For everyone one successful invasion I make, I get invaded five fucking times

That being said, I fucking love stomping on everyone with my glorious poise and golem axe.

>>285628896
Not really ideal for pve until you get the wolf ring. At least for a beginner.

>>285628750

>tfw DS1 unpached
>half soul-rate
>1/20th humanity rate
>dem dragon asses

>>285628896

I thought he was talking about demon's souls, whoops.

FORGET THE WHOLE LINE AFTER ADVICE 3.

>>285628619

Summons don't use estus, bro. The only way they can heal is either by burning humanity or hoping the host isn't a Jew with the sippies.

>>285629027

I actually really enjoyed playing the unpatched version. Mostly because the Black Knight weapons were untouched.

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>>285621874

>There are cuckolds in this thread that prefer helping over invading

There is nothing, NOTHING, better than seeing the fear and despair of a host being translated on his character actions.

>First he starts sprinting to the beginning of the area after getting the message of being invaded
>Sometimes he will take literal 10 to 15 minutes waiting
>Finally he gets courage, walks 5 steps, look everywhere and repeat
>He stands just right outside of enemy range, feeling the ambush
>He is afraid, but yet anxiety and impatient takes over him and he tries to continue his game
>You show up
>His behaviors become totally erratic and he'll die to the enviroment or the enemies
>If he somehow doesn't die, he 'll keep running or turtling from you for literal 5 to 10 minutes while you torture him psychologically
>He will summon a white cuck if available and let the white 1v1 because he is too afraid
>Sometimes he'll try to give a slap on you, but you slap his shit 1v2 and he backs away and let the white 1v1
>You destroy the white
>He tries to run/turtle/summon again
>You finally kill him

When i look at my screen while invading, i don't see a character, i see a reason human having a facian expression of true horror, it was pure comedy. Invading on Sen Fortress was one of my best online gaming experiences at adulthood. Sometimes having mercy at the host and showing you're allowing him to live is extremely satisfying.

Anyone remember that parry-estus-roll trick in DS2 that lets you walk on air?

I used that all the time for PvP. Airwalk to an impossible to reach place and wait to be invaded.

>>285629163
What did they change? I never used them until I replayed on PC.

>>285621874
Helping people
because it's fun to watch them die in the stupidest ways

>>285629291

They were a lot faster before the patches came around.

>>285628774
I thought it was the end of online when they added region lock. Thank god it was removed

>>285629291
Yeah, DS2's was so fucking fun when it was at its height of broken-ness.
Those sanicular races, man. Those low sm drangleic castle saves.

>>285629437

Now I'll have to replay the unpatched xbox version. Black Knight Sword is my favourite strength weapon.

>>285629538

You should. They were incredible weapons.

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>>285624860
>dasboi thinks his first game is perfect

>>285627060
Gravelord Servants have one major flaw that makes them so rarely encountered: your summon sign will spawn in other people's worlds at the exact spot where you stand. So since people generally can't afford to look for a moving sign in a gravelorded world, you have to stand prefectly still to even hope being invaded, and risk being killed if you're afk in the meantime; thus the game becomes a borefest.
Too bad, it's a pretty interesting mechanic other than that

>>285621874
Its most fun when you can find a way to combine them

Like invading the Belltower with Red Eye Orbs and teaming up to kill Bellbongs
And then killing the host

>>285628738
>>285628846
I meant to say Summoner, I usually hang out in Anor Londo as a generic lightning ninja and use the Uchigatana's bleed buildup to decimate O&S. But I hate when the person who summoned me thinks his estus is too fucking valuable to spend on me.

Speaking of Anor Londo, I've seen a LOT of Drake Sword users lately.

>>285629437

Are you sure about that actually? The patch notes don't say anything about changes to the Black Knight Weapon.

>>285626542
I tried using the mouse fix and it felt fucking terrible

How on earth is that so popular

Helping, and being invaded.
Too bad DS2 killed any fucking fun I could ever have with that.

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>>285629647
Remember when pvp was good

>>285626914
what SL for catacombs? Always meant to do that but some people only visit it after Anor Londo so the average SL is a little confus

>>285629753

Maybe it's less terrible than without the mouse fix? Or just people that refuse to pick up a gamepad.

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>>285629796
I want to forget

They're both fun, but I find that helping generally fosters pleasant feelings and invading fosters negative ones. Part of that is that my internet is always shit, so I can never get gud at pvp. And then there are the times (every time) when the host already has a phantom and you just get ganked. With a poor internet connection I can still help with some consistency

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Theme invasions are the most fun you can have with Dark Souls.
Its too bad you pretty much have to hack DS2 to be able to do them reliably

I like invading the Gutter and lighting all the torches

>>285627730
Not necessarily. Darkwraiths invade infinitely upwards so you can very well meet a ninja flipping SL 700 Haveldad who cheated his way to get max stats

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>>285622875
I unintentionally helped a grill and she send me some nudes with my character's name in her chest and time stamp.

feels good man

>>285629896

Just do a level 1 run and slowly increase your level if you notice you're not getting enough invasions. I don't think there's an upper limit though so if you're level 1 you should be able to invade anyone.

>>285627087

>Ratbro
>Summoned players don't lose anything
>On a fucking optional area

Rat covenant was absolutely shit and the area can be easily rushed through. Not that the same couldn't be said about any area, but considering the nature of the covenant, they should've put some effort into the level design of the rat areas.

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>>285630013
No tears.

>>285623251
Fuck why did I laugh so hard

>>285630207
Nothing personell kid

>>285628332
Upper Blighttown. You'd be surprised at how many people I invade there

>>285621874
Invading for sure

>>285630163
Pharros was a really cool idea in concept. Setting up your own crazy dungeon and forcing the player to run through.

They should have made it a required area though.

>>285628332
Ariamis is great. Since the boss is optional you get tons of invade and the level itself is really cool

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>invading new players with my sl1 darkwraith
>put on kirk's armor of thorns
>http://vocaroo.com/i/s1ixB419obOZ

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I have a 200 hour save file of a character that is only used for helping people with Pikachu and Snorlax.

>1.06
>Bottomless Box glitch fixed

Did you think this was a good change or a bad change?

>>285630546
Good.
Soul dupe is useful enough and if you're that lazy you might as well cheat anyway.

>>285630546
Good to prevent twinks but then bad since it did not work.
Bad to prevent fun runs you can do with late game equipment.

>>285629940
I play with the mouse without the mousefix and I do fine
Tried the mousefix, suddenly can't turn the camera, can't target by pressing mouse wheel and my parry button spots working
I must've configured it wrong I guess

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>>285630080
I just farm those torturers in Deadman's codpiece, always guaranteed at least 1 orbs.

I agree theme builds best shit ever.
>mfw mid-rolling Stone Knight in DaS 1

>>285630490
What SL is ideal for that? Always wanted to do that sometime.

>>285621874
Invading can easily be too easy or frustrating. I prefer helping people and dueling, now.

>>285630795
45 I believe my character is.

>>285630207
Where are all the gifs from the early days of dark souls, where people pull each other across the map and slam themself through the ground?
I wish I saved them with all this muh perfect DaS circlejerking.

>>285623353
>That feeling when someone adds you

>>285621874
Either. Slaying niggas feels great, and at the same time trying to help someone and then watching them charge into the boss getting wrecked always brings a good giggle.

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>>285630980
I dunno, but i got a bunch of these weebums because i like to annoy Muhyazaki dick suckers.

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>>285621874
>invade a dude ready to kick some ass
>they send a polite message asking me to not murder them and leave
>mfw

I can't murder you if you're gonna be polite

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>>285631018
>guy doing his first playthrough does
>mfw I go with him through the whole game slamming enemies into the ground with DGH

>Want to join Gwynboob Covenant for co-op spells
>Also want Darkmoon Blade
God damn it Gwyndolin, you fucking ARE Gwynevere just give me fucking both.

>>285621874
I help people all day. My name is Grunt or Guardian. Co-op is even easier in Dark Souls 2 due to Red Eye Ring.

>>285631281
>not being able to dehumanize yourself and face to bloodshed

>>285631393
Just farm burds

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Invading of course.

How is this even a question?

>>285629680

Pretty sure. I might just go test it out later on today. Pretty positive they got slowed down-- or at least the power attacks were.

>>285631281
>Dickstab Forest
>Guy is being chased by like three NPCs and then I invade him
>He rushes at me, freaking out and starts whacking me with his Falchion
>Since I'm in my glorious Golem armor he can't do shit to me
>Do the "point" gesture at the NPCs and stay still
>He gets the point, goes and kills them, then comes over to me and I end up killing him
>He sends me a really nice message thanking me for not ganking him

>>285621874
running around them dropping carvings and looking them at them with binocs

>>285629280
me and you both, brother.

With the game being out for so long, though, some people have gotten experienced and hat fear is harder to come by. every now an then, however, youll come across a newby who is obviously terrified.
shits great

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>>285630980

Here's a .gif of radical larry in action.

>>285631512
You can't use Gwynevere's miracles and Gwyndolin's miracles at the same time, they stop working when you switch covenants.

>>285631756
... RIGHT! I KNEW THAT!

>>285621874
I felt like dick the few times I tried invading. I didn't really get any fun out of it and just felt bad for the guy. I do however enjoy killing invaders in the cheapest way possible.

Co-op is pretty awesome although the problem with it is I feel like no boss has AI that reacts well to multiple players. I haven't played DS2 yet but I hear there are a lot of multi-boss setups there so it might be more fun there.

Still, I've had a lot of fun with random people in DeS on PS3 and I've had a lot of fun with a friend ind DS on PC.

Hopefully Bloodborne delivers. Wish it was either on PC or I had some console friends...

>>285631606
>that shameless backstab fishing
Fucking hate gayboys like that.

Invading.

Especially on a SL1 twink character in the undead berg.

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>>285621874
>mfw I catch someone on the bridge in the catacombs and pull the switch

It's amazing how many times I could pull that off. Sometimes it takes a while to pull off, but it's worth it every time

>>285626058
Don't do yourself a disservice and skip DaS.

Jesus Christ man it's a fantastic game.

Invading provides an experience I wouldn't be getting when doing PvE solo. Also, summons can really trivialize a lot of fights, and I've had too many hosts who depend on the summons for everything.

Also, I prefer to be active with multiplayer instead of waiting around hoping someone summons me.

>>285624184
Does this work? I though you can't harm enemies when invading and they ignore you as the invader. I don't think I've ever actually invaded in DeS.

I have been the boss tho, was pretty cool since I had no idea it was possible. I would feel bad for killing him but he was using the Sraping Spear so fuck that guy.

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>>285630676
>I play with the mouse

>>285632335

You can kill enemies as the invader, they don't do anything and they'll just stand there and die.

I did it every now and then doing >>285627269

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Invading them, murdering bellfaggots then murdering host in Luna.
Belltower 2vs1, 2vs2 or 1vs3 are the funniest shit in whole DS2.

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>>285631947

It's kinda funny looking at it another way.

>>285632903
KNIGHT SHIELD PRIDE

>>285630980
>from the early days of dark souls
It's possible even now. Double backstabs on some terrains will result in clipping through the ground.

>>285629796
The fuck. You were wrecking that skill-less piece of shit.

>>285632903
Ah the horrible times when whips were an utter shit.
Meanwhile i'm wrecking arena parryfishing niggers in DS2 with my old whip.

Invading.
Low Level invasions to be specific. Especially when people are still discovering things in the game.
I don't care if it makes me an asshole. Fucking over someone by killing them, and then knowing that they probably aren't skilled enough to make it back to their blood stain feels awesome.
It also feels great to beat gankers or hacker(s), especially through cheap ways like knocking them off a cliff by spamming WoG. They get so fucking mad its hilarious.

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>>285630980
That's not an early day thing, it still happens in every game

>>285630013
>shneby
That's a familiar gt, i remember that he was a funny guy and a good player.

>>285621874
Getting invaded.

>>285621874
Helping
Invasions are only fun if you know what you're doing, if you don't bother to spec into stuff that's good for PvP odds are you won't have a very fun time, whereas bosses are always fun and it feels good to help someone out

>>285625756
Dark Souls on PC is having really wonky connection issues ever since the Steam migration.
Basically, you are on a timer to connect with new nodes after 600 seconds. The timer isn't resetting like it should be, meaning you are connected to the same players for long periods of time (you only connect to 21 nodes max).
I had the same message in my game for a fucking week.

>>285621874
Invading was always more fun. Although nothing is more fun than co op with a random player that get's invaded while you watch him struggle against a phantom instead of helping him.

>>285621874
It depends. Right now I'm role playing a valiant knight so I help people but I also had a dickass thief who would use illusion magic to backstab people before they walked through the boss fog.

>>285632569
What exactly is wrong with it, I don't get it.

It gives me full control of the otherwise atrocious camera, I can swap spells and items rolling the mouse wheel and change targets clicking on it.

Why can't there be a game that take Souls pvp fundamentals and puts it into a game where it actually works.
I mean, i have thousands of hours on purely pvp in both DaS1 and 2 and i still think it's broken mess in most ways. But i can't stop.

>>285628332
Depths and painted world

>>285633912
>of the otherwise atrocious camera
The fuck.

>I can swap spells and items rolling the mouse wheel and change targets clicking on it.
The fuck.

These things aren't hard to do with a gamepad. The difference is that at least they don't feel like shit on the gamepad.

>>285624359
I got invaded by a dickwraith yesterday, was disgusting my power attacks with Astoria straight sword did two damage to him. He punched me to death.

What's a good level to stay for invading the Depths or Blighttown? I've always really wanted to ruin someone's day there.

>>285633912
If you can't control the camera with an analog stick then you're probably just fucking retarded. This isn't an FPS where you have to aim and mouse is more precise, this is a third person game where you have a lock on and you only need to have them on your screen and the camera rotates fast enough to see whatever you need to at any given moment.

>>285633657
>>285633790
Judging from these two posts it depends on how much of a schadenfreudiges asshole you are.

>>285634042
>it doesn't feel like shit on a gamepad

That's like your opinion man

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Hunting heretics and degenerates.
Oh how they love to run from me, especially when i'm being summoned to protect the host!
I can feel their fear when they can't do shit with their garbage longswords against my 2h chime shield bashes.
There's no better feeling than pursuing a blood brotherhood degenerate through the entire area, chipping his health further and further till he has nowhere to run and just dies, trying to parry your last attack in panic.

>That feel when helping someone beat the Gargoyles you hear the bell ring when you get back to your world.

>>285629280
>When i look at my screen while invading, i don't see a character, i see a reason human having a facian expression of true horror

>All of this fedora-edge

I prefer unplugging my ethernet cable just so invader fags waste their limited red eye orbs.

>>285634304
Something is wrong with you.

>>285634216
I'd say 20s for Depths, maybe low 30s at most, that's roughly the level I expect to see people doing Gaping and heading into Blighttown the normal way, and if they are doing that instead of just going through Valley of Drakes then they're gonna be fresh meat more than likely

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>>285634216
>Depths
20-25.
>Blighttown
30-35.

>>285634218
I can control it with the analog, retard. I just happen to prefer the mouse

>>285621874

Playing the game solo and fighting off invaders by yourself, like the game is meant to be played.

>>285621874
Either one, as long as you VERY GOOD VERY GOOD THANK YOU VERY GOOD HELLO THANK YOU VERY GOOD I'M SORRY HELLO

>>285633319
Does old whip still have that durability bug

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>>285634216
My dickass Blighttown cleric is SL30.

>>285634690
Use bracing knuckle nigger.

>>285634450
I want a second opinion.

>>285634862
How about literally anyone who ever played DaS?

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Wrecking cocky katanausers with real metabuilds is fun too.

>>285634862
Well, DaS is notorious for having shitty kb+m control.

>>285634216
Plenty of action in Blighttown with a SL 40, though you might want to try a bit lower

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>Play on Ps3
>Get invaded by jap player

>>285634845
how about they just fix it sperglord

>>285634862
I think ever since DaS came out on PC I've only ever seen maybe 5 people say they play with m+kb

DeS was designed for a gamepad and then DaS basically lifted everything from that, and it shows

>>285634304
And my opinion is that you're a biased pcmemer retard.

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>first time playing
>just lit the first bonfire after you leave shrine
>you have been invaded
>what does that mean
>a glowing red man with a giant sword is rapidly approaching from the distance
>I run
>there's no time to look back
>I drop off a ledge
>he falls on top of me
>you have died
>you have received a message
>'I am going to help you beat the boss'
>he did

I didn't even know dark souls had online features until that moment

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>>285621874
Everyone talks about invasion and co-oping, how about some love for the most underappreciated multiplayer feature: soapstone messages.

I fucking love messages. Their inane silliness breaks up the harsh atmosphere of the game. I also love seeing all the motivational "don't give up" messages. It's such a small thing, but they really cheer me up.

What's your favorite message you've seen? Pic related.

>>285629647
I watched this for like 2 minutes before I realized it was a 2 second loop.

>>285635403
>
I didn't even know dark souls had online features until that moment

>>285630114
the fuck?

Invading was a lot funner and getting invaded was a lot funner in the first souls. Twinks would only invade parish, but once you made it past that you'd have good fights with invaders. II was kind of a let down in the regard of random invaders because FROM made it tough to get cracked eye orbs. Thus all the people that want to fight just do it in the arenas.

>>285634862

You're also lazy.

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Invading is clearly superior.

I've played through Dark Souls several times, but have barely ever been invaded since I tend to do base soul level runs. I've done a reasonable amount of invading myself, though (generally in the forest and township). Will I get a different and better PVP experience if I make a higher level character? Is it worth it? And what level should I go for?

>>285635340
this
>>285634862
You're a new player and a pcmemer at that. fuck off

>>285635432
can't beat the classic "amazing chest ahead" as far as I'm concerned

>>285635568
Oh, doctor Zaius.

>>285634615
Is that Gough's set? It looks awful on my character but looks good there. I guess you have the chunky catarina build?

>>285635432

I love near the Brotherhood of Blood there were a few saying "Dark spirit but hole"

>>285624234
But that's even worse because you can just kill everything.

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>>285635432

>demon's souls
>any bed
>sticky white stuff

>>285635726
>you're a new player
>implying
>pcmemer
You need to be 18 to post here

>>285635432
There are always interesting ones around those carts in Aldia's Keep, like "Hurrah for man! Hurrah for woman!" or "Duo? Or right arm?"

>>285635626
If you just level naturally and don't twink you'll get some decent PvP but also a lot of scrubs who are just playing through normally. For dedicated PvP people tend to sit around 120-125 SL and hang out in Oolacile and Undead Burg since that's the level where you have the stats to specialize a build but not do everything at once.

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>>285635818
It is Gough cosplay. Here's a better screenshot taken from my new PC and not that old toaster.
Don't remember which body build i've used though, i've made him like 1.5 years ago.

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>>285635570

>>285635768
Try holding with both hands

Any other twinks in here? I loved twinking in Dark Souls, great times.

>>285635861
>But that's even worse because you can just kill everything.
What? You can't interact with enemies.

I'm talking about showing people hidden areas before crushing their skull in, stuff like that.

>>285634862
You're tendency to be a mustard memer opinionates people to have strong aversion to whatever you say.

The only way to alleviate this is to
A. Kill yourself
B. Stop Posting
C. get better taste because you have shit taste
D. Kill yourself

>be playing dark souls
>dukes archives, getting my ass kicked
>phone a friend and get him online to help me out
>we are never able to see one another's or anybody else's summon signs
>get invaded 3 times while trying to work something out
>fight and lose to the first guy, chameleon and waste a half an hour of the next two guys' time

why the fuck is it so easy to get invaded sometimes but so hard to summon someone

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>invade people with x3 speedhack
>use modded fire surge that knocks hosts down and breaks their shit
>drop "i'm sorry" on a speed of light
>kill their boss
Best DS pvp experience right here :)

>>285636097
It must just be a general HUGE character. Gough's armor looks awful on my top-heavy dickwraith.

That said, Iron Golem armor looks fucking fantastic on him. You can't upgrade it, but it's oozing in poise.

>>285629280
>There is nothing, NOTHING, better than seeing the fear and despair of a host being translated on his character actions
>When i look at my screen while invading, i don't see a character, i see a reason human having a facian expression of true horror


get a load of this edgelord

let me guess, 14 year old, fat, lack of friends and people making fun of you at school ?

>>285621874
I enjoy both in equal measure, honestly.

However, I also like to mess about with taking a high/overleveled character, and parking them in early game twink hotspots (e.g. Undead Parish), and smashing filthy twink scum into the ground.

Gives them a taste of their own medicine.

I usually also have a set of low +5 generic gear in the odd chance I get invaded by a genuine low level invader.

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>>285632654
I still remember playing the first week of release and invading as a bloodbro in the belltower.
>invade in belltower
>wag the finger at the host telling him I don't wanna fight
>proceed to transform into a crate
>surprise bellfaggot invader bloodlad and host here to keep that titanite chunk

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>make fat black low level thief with a lightning knife and chameleon and invade anywhere i can
JIGGABOO COME UP FROM BEHIND

>>285636493
>he prefers m+kb to gamepad? I'll call him a memer!!!!

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>>285634862
I played through all of DaS1 with kb+m, mostly because I forgot I actually had a controller in my house. To make matters worse, I had hardware issues that make using DSMfix impossible.

I think it's definitely possible to git gud, and I was able to get used to it, but after remembering I had a controller come DaS2, I'd say that controller is the way the game is meant to be played, mostly because From hired a bunch of gibbering monkeys to make the PC port.

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>>285636768
>invade belltower and attack the bellfaggot as a read
>instead of ganking up on bellnigger host turns on you

>>285628619
Don't offer to help if you can't solo a boss

>>285636029
Claiming that the shit controls on the pc for ANY souls title are good, is such a fallacy, that you MUST be an underaged "Master Race" memespouter.
No One but perhaps retards claim the controls work for that shitty port.

Helping people and gimmick invasions are fun. I don't care for anything else.

>>285629647
But DeS PvP was perfect if you ignore the infinite healing items

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>>285635432
good job, but hole!
something something hole, two handing it, tongue, legs when near a female NPC
I also enjoy the ones that are complete fucking nonsenseTry horse in short impossible!

Last but not least, the classic Listen closely, skeleton!

>>285636707
I hate it when I invade the Parish with a +5 weapon and get one-shotted before I realize the other guy is overlevelled. I have a chaos weapon on switch but I often can't tell when to use it.

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I never liked invading, too nice i guess.
I loved co-op in demons, used to spend the whole day helping people out.
In dark it was just too easy to steamroll everything, so i just posted at bosses instead of doing the whole level.
Currently, i barely do anything online with das 2 because of SM.
The gaping ring kind of helps, but i like getting souls so it's kind of a bust.

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>>285637314
>shitload of glitches
>easily abusable poise
>shitty weapon balance

>>285629796
>that part where he uses the pendant because he expects you to be a dark magic scrub like him

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>>285621874
I like PvP in arena situations, but I don't like doing invasions. I always feel like such an asshole hopping into someone else's game and ruining their day.

It doesn't help that the first time I really tried invasions was with my caster build, since I lost my only token of spite and wanted to join the BoB. I would still buff, but I felt like such a douche whenever I used something like GMB or Affinity.

>>285637475
>DeS
>poise
And DaS2 poise is the perfect example of how to fuck a mechanic up

>>285629796
>stamina
You fucked up

>>285622362
What soul level?

>>285630207
>King Crimson

>>285636938
Buttflustered I called out blatant shitpost and terrible taste?

>Pc mustards
>not the worst shitposters and memespouters
This is an opinion coming from someone who play DaS on both pc and ps3 btw.

M+kb is shit, will always be shit, and nothing can be done to make it any les shit, because terrible optimizaton of controls.
Its really common knowledge

>>285637351
I love the ones that sound like ramblings. There was one in the Dark Chasm of Old that said "Be wary of darkness or something" or another that said "Something... dark ahead"

>>285631018
>tfw he just asks you for strong weapons
Blocked

>>285637649
I never understood what exactly they changed in DaS2. I know they changed something, since I get trapped in the stunlock gangbang a lot more, but I can't figure out how it's different.

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>>285637630
> I always feel like such an asshole hopping into someone else's game and ruining their day.

but that's the point...

>>285637068
Tastes can't be fallacious anon

Besides, I said I preferred them, not that they were better.

Reminder that this started with mouse fix vs no mouse fix until you mentioned controllers. Also, no one so far has told me what mouse fix actually does

>>285638020
Poise for individual equipment pieces is now separate rather than being a sum, meaning that anything less than Havel's is probably not going to protect you from more than a single hit before you stagger, and with the addition of faster heavy weapons and powerstance it's just complete shit now.

>>285638020
Poise damage:
>tripled during pvp
>halved during pve
Or something along those lines.
Coupled with working hyperarmor it's a good system, it just took too long to test it out. You can make hyperarmor poisetanks with heavy str weapons and they will be viable.

>>285637374
I often try and hide myself out of the way so that I can observe the invader first, see if I can get a gauge on where they lie between 'genuine invader' and 'twink' (fog ring helps in that regard).

If they're rolliing with normal looking gear for that area, I'll switch to the +5 stuff I'm carrying (default knight set, broadsword and tower kite shield, or something along those lines).

On the other hand, if it's some gold-hemmed wearing, ninja flipping, zweihander wielding twink (or something equally and obviously) then HULK SMASH.

>>285638032
Shit like that is funny. If I was creative enough to come up with gimmick invasions, I would do that. Even doing fair combat with the host is fine, I just hate tryhards who hide behind enemies to stack buffs and spam magic.

Not to mention half the time I've been invaded it's been by a havelmonster, which are never fun to fight.

>>285635192
>they're either bad at the game or they spam dark magic/WotG

>>285638314
Man, that's fucked up. That explains a lot.

>>285637463
Is there any chance they might fix or outright remove souls memory in the complete edition?

I haven't played the game yet but I haven't heard a single person have anything good to say about the system.

>>285635846
I saw one near Gren that said man in short tears or something like that

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>>285638624
>>285635192
>Duel agaisnt a jap
>Get backstabbed from the front

>>285638703
Soul memory system with agape ring made most complains completely retarded. You can make coop builds, you can make low-sm invasion builds, but at the same time it seriously limits the amount of tryhardness as you're not forced to stay at shitty SL150 if you want to pvp on NG+.
It's not a perfect system, but right now it sure as hell not worse than soul level matchmaking because it said a huge "fuck off" to metaniggers who take the game too serious.

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>>285638624
>invade Duke's on PS3 as a blue for a day
>90% of players are just using Dark Bead
typical sinners

>>285622875
It really does depend. I don't get much joy out of invading some guy running around Sen's in his starting equipment but I sure do enjoy helping him fight off phantoms and bosses.

Invading does have it's moments especially when you invade someone several hundred soul levels higher than you and just win in a straight fight.

I remember invading some giant-flipping chucklefuck in Sen's when I was SL 30 and playing the Viking of Sen's Fortress. He was throwing around WOTG, Magic and pyromancy like it was candy. Then switching to a havel-shield and black knight halberd every time I got near. I managed to backstab him four times and get him with all 3 WOTG casts. He and I only had pixel of health left and I killed him by doing one damage through his shield.

I got at least 400 or 500k from the kill and it was great.But it still wasn't nearly as fulfilling as helping some scrub through an area and getting a sincere thank you message from them.

>>285638703
you can work around it by being creative or just backing up the save when you get your main the way you want.
but they are still at fault and are just being too stubborn.

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>>285638880
>Duel against a jap
>wreck his shit

>>285639024
>invade anywhere on PS3 as a blue for a day
>sounds of crickets chirping in the backgrounds

>>285628332
>Des
didn't pvp, got the game way too late
>Das
I can't remember the name of the area but it was where there were a bunch of those capra demons and the worms
>Das2
Dragon's shrine
Hands down best place
especially when I went full drakekeeper with the drakekeeper sword. Goddam that weapon is off the chain.

>>285639024
>Invading anyone as blue
Stop lying

I invaded and pwnt the fuck out of the guy above me.
He sucks.

>>285638173
well, as long as its a preferential thing rather than its a claim of superiority, I recant my statement of you being a memer

still shit taste/preference thouh, how can you stand such godawful bindings?
I cant imagine having to pvp with that setup

>>285639281
To be fair it was basically >>285639197
Out of 10 or so hours I got maybe 20 invasions off and almost half of them were the same guy

I ended up quitting and just farming Harpys for the drop

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>tfw someone invades you and they aren't using the usual tactics.
>just a big long brawl.
>fight ends with both players dead
Good times

I miss the early stages of invasion and co-op
>new shit to discover together
>discover new cool ways of killing people
>new shit everywhere

I'm hype for bloodborne

>>285639569
How do the invasions even work in it

>>285639024
>invading as a blue in DaS2 ng+
>All these npc cosplays
>Moughlin the armorer being most common
shit players too, real easy to kill.

>>285639361
I don't really like PVPing, actually. I'm more in it for the single player. Parrying is a little tricky unless you bind it to a mouse button though

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>>285639490
>i'm using scythe of want, sanctum shield hyperarmor dash and offhand bandit knife plus some hexes
>he's using majestic greatsword, bone fist and pyromancies
>double ko after long and satisfying battle with unusual tactics and flashy moves

>>285639569
>those first months before assholes figure out the meta.
i wish the game stayed that way.

>>285632195
>invading in blight town

Worse than hitler.

>>285630980
weird shit happens on stairs >>285631738

>>285639240
Im mixing drakekeepers armor set with a few other pieces.
Lord, I love the drakekeepers axe, Its won me many a close duel

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>tfw I invade just to open peoples shortcuts for them

You do not deserve the satisfaction.

I don't enjoy unfair fights so I'd say helping is more fun.

I got all of my gank angst out in MMOs already.

>>285623353
should become a priest m80

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>get invaded
>sit by sunlight altar
>he runs into the doorway and well what is it's me
>I turn around and bow preparing my anus because I'm a nor mine and he looks like a twink
>he runs up to the altar and well what is it's again
>backstab him then r2 until he dies
>send him a message
"Lmao no poise"

Can't into pvp because there's not enough people doing what they want instead of following a build and it get's a bit boring.

>>285639738
I pvp as a way of self improving and learning he builds.
You'll need to learn to pvp to defend yourself against invaders.
And you WILL be invaded evntually.
Thats the reason I bought a gamepad, so that Im not at a major disadvantage against someone who actually CAN do jumping attacks and shield breaks.

>>285636210
Yep. A month ago I was twinking in the Undead Berg.

>>285635432
I will never not love seeing "try tongue but hole" or any variation. I don't even have a PS4, but I'll be disappointed if that's not a possible phrase to make in BB.

>>285621874

helping people

too bad it was significantly harder to do that in Dark Souls 2 with soul memory. seriously, fuck soul memory

Invading.

I made a character and dressed myself up in Iron Golem armor and used his weapon to blow people off the top of Sen's Fortress. It was fucking glorious when I hit them and they fell all the way down to the giant or back down into Sens.

It stinks how you have to battle a lot in the Colosseum just to get the ability to fight anywhere else. The limited items also mean that each invasion is more serious and you can't, say, invade for the hell of it since every use brings you closer to the Colosseum again. If you just buy the orbs instead, your Soul Memory shoots through the roof and brings you closer to the eternal hell that is the speedy crystal Havel hexer bracket.

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>Fight club
>Guy gets summoned
>B-lines for the host
>Sends fan mail when the group kills him

Invade on Iron Keep bridge, half way through the fight the host starts chugging estus even though it was clear he was hanging around the bridge for dueling.

What do you do?

>>285640487
Actually I got a pirate version to fuck around in single player and try outstuff because I got sick of invasions.

I don't want to "learn the builds". I don't want to copy paste some guy's character, I just want to play the game. >>285640487

Also, I can pull off guard breaks and jump attacks consistently with kb+m.

>>285640773
It really is terribly designed (the pvp system) in that regard.

I wonder about how they feel about the cheat engine solving many of its inherent problems.

>>285640968
Lloyd's Talisman his ass. I always have that on hand since too many people like to wuss out of their own duels.

>>285640430
get past the soul level people fiht mos commonly at.
ie avoid duel areas in DaS 1
avoid sl 150 in DaS2
Its always riddled with cheap tryhard builds, when you get past them, you'll run into much more natural players, and fighting is so much more fun

>>285640968
Chuck something at him or do a running attack.

If I miss and/or he does it again I reset my HP with CE so we can be on "even ground"

>>285640603
I put "tongue but hole" among that mass of "pull back" messages in Aldia's keep right before the lever that releases Navlaan. That section is so creepy, so hopefully someone will get a laugh out of that.

>>285640430
I'm lucky the builds I have the most fun with end up being actually good

>do dual wielding bonewheel shield build for shits and giggles
>turns out a fire bonewheel +10 will instakill any mid-level player when timed right and most people completely underestimate them