Better?

project m is da shit

Mother 4 doesn't look bad.

Dude the thread just died. Couldn't you have waited an hour?

I hope all the developers are simultaneously killed in a large grouping of raging wildfires.

I want to fuck Travis.

I have to wonder what the fuck triggers people so bad about mods and fan projects. People say it's legit Nintendrones, but that would mean they'd eat up any shit given to them. I'd be considered a Nintendrone by /v/ standards and I like all of these fan projects.

I seriously want to get into the heads of these fucking people. Figure out what camp they're in. What games they enjoy. Are they baiting or just legitimately retarded?

>>285335902
>legitimately being a cuck
Kill yourself

Why do people get so shit blasted about mods.

>no Legend of Zelda: The Shadowgazer
shitty bait
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=isIIY4bdmNg

>>285335902

It's a combination of bait and Nintendrones thinking any change or adaption to/of Nintendo's perfect snowflake masterpieces is heresy.

Project M is the best Smash game (or at least extremely close second behind Melee).
Mother 4 looks like it could be good, I don't know Mother.
New Paper Mario is a thing.

These are facts.

>>285336098
Because you're infringing on the rights of developers.

GROSS

AND

DANGEROUS

your fanfiction games are garbage, subhumans. go make a real game instead of stealing nintendo's property, parasites

>>285336098
it seems to be just these 3 mods though, everything is either loved or neutral. but these 3

>>285335509
>project m is shit
fixed

>>285336385

Don't play them. The game you love is still there even if you don't like the mod. It takes no energy to not play a mod over actually playing it.

Are there really people who get so upset at the mere existence of things that do not effect them in anyway and there's no chance they'll play it unless they go out of there way to do it?

>>285335401
Only two can't be shitty and you have to choose

>>285336176
Mother 4 looks ok, being a Mother fan I'm probably less hype than non fans or the fans who just sort of know about the games but never played them

>>285336098
Because they're shit and the fanbase for those mods have only ever played the mod, and hail it as the greatest thing ever.

What does this say?

http://jun.2chan.net/31/res/2084282.htm

>>285336595
Stop likeing things I don't like

>>285336112
this trailer becomes a whole lot better if you put it on x1.25 speed

>>285336725
Looks like they don't like the fact that they're calling it Mother 4

So has anyone found Leo porn yet?

>>285336725
That they hate the fact that a fangame, a small project, has the audacity call itself the official 4th title in the mother series.

>>285336725
>Do heck what to talk to secondary creation of overseas

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>>285336620
Mother 4 and Project M. That Paper Mario guy is a faggot.

>>285336725

They're pissed.

>>285337346
Wait, so it's just a texture pack?

>>285337346
The guy literally did it for free. For himself. He didn't have to put it on the internet, and it's open source so you can change it yourself if you hate lumas that much.

However, project autisM and mother 4 are cancer.

If Nintendo doesnt care than neither do I

Even if they did care i'd still play it. It's free and doesnt actually affect nintendo's sales or its rep

People hold shit like this in too high regard. It's just a game who cares what its called

>>285336725
Most of them dislike the name.
Some guy wants to play it.
One guy says that it isn't a proper Mother game without Mr. Itoi's involvement.

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But Mother 4/Project M look great. I honestly don't get why people get so up in arms about modding/making fangames.

>CoD4 Promod, a mod created to make it more competitive
"Wow, what a fresh, fun take on the series!"

>Project M, a mod created to make it more competitive
"God damn, what a load of shit, could we just get this banned already?"

And with Mother 4, they're NEVER making a new one. If a team of people put out a fantastic video showing a Viewtiful Joe game they were making, looked great, and called it Viewtiful Joe 3, would people be upset? No! Y'know why? Because they're NEVER making a Viewtiful Joe 3. Why is it that with Nintendo IPs people get so furious about it?

>>285337826
>The guy literally did it for free. For himself. He didn't have to put it on the internet.

>However, project autisM and mother 4 are cancer.


all of the former is also true for the latter

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>>285337861
>It's just a game who cares what its called
nobody here cares
if you fags honestly can't tell that everyone who acts like they're offended by Mother 4 is baiting you might as well have the brain of a 13 year old

Mother 4 is pretentious. Call it stepmother or something.

Project M is just tourneyfags shit. It's irrelevant despite how much muhlee fags want it to be.

Don't know about the PM game, but I'm sure it's shit

>>285338258
>PM
>encourages tourneyfags and the developers think they're better than nintendo devs

>mother 4
>naming an indie offshoot like it's a core entry in the series

>>285338504
>It's irrelevant despite how much muhlee fags want it to be.

What? Melee fans hate Project M. At least make sense.

>>285338604
>and the developers think they're better than nintendo devs

After Brawl and Smash 4, I could believe it.

>>285338604
why are you upset about minor things while a minor thing should be excused for NPM according to your post earlier

come on

>>285338604
I am so baffled at how the name could legitimately upset people. Does Mother 2 being called Earthbound change anything about that game? If they called Mother 4 anything else what would that change? Fucking nothing. I think Mother 4 is a nice clean name and using a subtitle would have been tacky.

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>>285336112
oh wow this doesn't look too bad
>last video: 2008

>>285338504
tbh calling it M4 is gross and dangerous and its not really diverse looking at the trailers.....

>>285338604
Yeah I don't understand why they would call it Mother 4

>>285338141
You're on /v/, where almost every smash thread bar music ones are doomed to become a "Civil" War between Sm4sh, Melee, and PM.

99.99% of Mother 4 complaints come from the name. I do think it's a bit pretentious.

I'll admit I never heard of promod, but I think the big difference is that COD never had a title that created a great divide in its fanbase, resulting in the mod having a generally better reception.

Nintendo is more or less a giant trigger here.

People are mad about Mother 4? I've been following it since startup because I fucking love the Mother series and I basically play only Nintendo games and PC. What's wrong with it?

>>285339025
It's a fucking fan game, it's already tacky. Calling it Mother-anything is pure arrogance, plain and simple. The series holds a special place in many fans' hearts, and these guys are co-opting that for their shitty fan game.

>>285340341
what if it holds a special place in their hearts and there using there talent to pay tribute

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>>285340341
>It's a fucking fan game
Exactly my point. It doesn't matter. You don't care if about shitty mario flash games on newgrounds so why do you care about this? I love the Mother series and i'm very excited about this game. Not everything is made specifically to cater to you. You're just as bad as SJWs that think all games should get rid of sexy things because it offends them. Get over yourself.

>>285335401
Project M is my favorite Smash
New Paper Mario looks cool but didnt they make Twink a Luma and make the egg-guy Bowser Jr.? Probably other stuff too that I'm forgetting
I mean besides PM the other 2 aren't anything special. If there was a holy trinity of Wii mods it would be Project M, CTGP, and Newer SMB though

>>285340924
i'm also a huge mother fan and think it's pretty retarded to call it mother 4. i'm not too excited about it but i'll try it out

>>285340341
The series holds a special place in many fans' hearts.

And almost everybody on Starman.net, the biggest collection of Mother fans on the internet, are hyped for this fangame, anon.

>>285341318
I assume you've already seen the gameplay trailer?

>>285335401
No, Project M is on there.

>>285336698
This is off topic, but I just finished Earthbound. Should I play Mother 1 before moving onto Mother 3?

>>285341326
>>285340770

The series could be literally the reason they wake up in the morning but it doesn't mean they can get away pretending their fangame is the 4th entry in the series.

All their little disclaimers don't mean jack when they're calling it "This is what happens after Mother 3".

>>285341993
yeah, i really love the music. like i said, i'm not too excited since it will probably not be as well written as the previous games. it will probably play the same (except it looks like they're including a press turn type of system)

>>285342767
I'd say to play it last since you started with Earthbound

>>285342865
They could call it Mother 4: The Fangame or some shit.

The subtitle for Mother 2 was "Giygas Strikes Back" or something like that, so it's not like the series hasn't had subtitles before.

>>285342865
But they confirmed that this will have no direct story relation to any Mother game story-wise and it's probably going to take place on the 70s or 80s.

The only thing that's going to be reoccuring from what we know is monsters and maybe Mr. Saturn.

There's literally nothing wrong with Project M or the Paper Mario texture pack (except the Paper Mario guy being a faggot but that doesn't affect the texture pack)

Only problem with Mother4 is maybe calling it mother4 and not something else so that people explicitly know its a fan game

>>285342865
How is that name pretending anything? It's just a name, it doesn't mean they think it's an official part of the series.

>>285343471
>advertised as fangame
>Their website says it's fangame
>big disclaimersevery saying fangame
>"wait this is not official??"

>>285343708
disclaimers everywhere***

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>>285343238

The site says it's a sequel. Not a "unrelated spin-off" but the sequel to Mother 3.

>>285344026
>Ignoring Fan-made

They're not advertising it as an official sequel. They're advertising it as a fan-made sequel, and even then, it's moreso of a "spiritual" fan-made sequel. It's been confirmed none of the plots or characters save for Mr. Saturn (who are a staple of the series, so why not?) are carrying over to the fangame.

>>285338604
>>encourages tourneyfags and the developers think they're better than nintendo devs

But if the game they make is more fun to them than Smash 4, why take away their fun and make them play something they don't like?

I mean, you might as well say any ROMhack or mod or fangame is automatically shit because how DARE they change something the developer made. If it's more fun to the people that wanted it, what's the issue? People don't spazz out at Super Mario World hacks or Pokémon hacks or Steam workshop or whatever.

>>285343595
>>285343708
> it doesn't mean they think it's an official part of the series.

Yes they do think it's part of the series, they explicitly say they're making the sequel to the series. They're treating it as the actual 4th entry of the series that is simply being made by fans.

See:
>>285344026

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>>285344026
read the circled word please

>>285344718
Saying it's a sequel does not mean they're calling it an official sequel, you twat.

If you bothered reading their posts on Starman, Q&A on leddit, and that one thread in the archives where they've admitted they've been lurking our threads (but haven't been posting), and started answering questions, they have no intention, and has never intended to be an official, or direct sequel to the Mother series.

Every official Mother game has story-links to eachother.

Mother 4 does not. It's just a simple fangame with Mother 4 as the game. It's intending to play and act like a "spiritual" sequel, but it's not intended or envisioned to be a proper, or true sequel to the Mother series.

It's just a bunch of Mother fans, making a game for Mother fans. It's a sequel, but it's an unoffical, fan-made sequel. They're not trying to be the next Itoi, they're just making this game for the already existing Mother community.

>>285344243
>>285344739

If it's not a sequel and unrelated to the main series then why are they calling it a sequel?

This is just seems like pussyfooting around in order to have their cake(making what would be considered Mother 4, calling it a sequel to the series) and eating it(posing it as a simple fan game).

>>285345503
They're calling it a fan-made, spiritual, unofficial sequel. They've specifically said it's not a true, proper sequel.

>>285343471
>>285344718
>>285344026
>Itoi says himself he'd rather the fans make the next Mother game so he could play it
>someone does
>"HOW FUCKING DARE THEY!!!!!!!"
Retardedness at it's finest

>>285345271
>Mother 4 as the name***

>>285345591

It's also unrelated to the main series yet they're still calling it a sequel. Why should it even be called Mother 4?

I'm angry

>>285345503
So?

>>285345736
They're; calling it a fan-made spiritual sequel.

>>285345756
no you're not

>>285336498
post the screencap

>>285335902

it's that people are stealing IPs. That's why most people get mad. Stealing good IPs at that.

What gets me mad is that people actually look forward to or like them. I'm like the rest of /v/, in that the opinions of others enrages me. How can you be hyped for mother 4? if it was called anything else, you'd never have heard of it, but these guys just steal an IP and get attention, while I'm being an actual creative person and creating my own worlds and ideas, and even if my game is beyond my expectations, it can still never gain traction and fall into obscurity, dashing my hopes of being part of the industry.

When all I should've done was named it "call of duty rpg" or something.

Getting mad at a fan made game.

Grow up

>>285335401
>Project M
>game

Mother4 looks like it'll work on it's principles as a solid game and the only people bitching are the ones about the title.

Project M is a fanhack for people who just can't let go of Melee and need to have their favourite characters in the game. Also, the fanbase is whiny as fuck about anything past Melee, so they're kind of got a shitty rep.

NPM looks like shit. You can't defend it.

>>285344563

it isn't more fun. they just want it to be more fun. So they believe it's more fun.

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>>285346007
Its not theft when you're not making money off of it

I'm legitimately hyped for Mother 4. It looks great.

>"Travis hit it back!"

>>285345851

Yeah but if I had a game where a man called Cannoli saves a woman called Princess Grape and called it Super Mario Bros 4(or Super Mario Bros 5 depending on how you see SMW).

Would it make any sense? No? Even if I made it look pretty much like Super Mario bros 3. What the hell would I be doing trying to call an unrelated story and characters just with similar gameplay, artstyle and music part of the Mario series even unofficially?

>>285346331
I don't get it. Whats so great about that?

>>285339025

>Does Mother 2 being called Earthbound change anything about that game?

not even close to being the same thing.

I mean, it's literally the opposite thing happening. The product made by the creator was renamed. Some tools took their own project, and named it after an already existing product.

How can you be this stupid and still be able to read and type?

Daily reminder that Nintendrones would literally worship Mother 4 and the ground it rests on if it were being made by Nintendo and Nintendo made people pay for it, as opposed to Mother 4 being fanmade and handed out for free.

>>285339580

>trigger

Why is this word being used?

Why do you idiots think this is a legitimate term? Anything triggers everything. why is this nonsense used as though it's intellectual?

>>285346007
Maybe because I'm fucking interested in experiencing another Mother game, fanmade or not? I wouldn't have heard of it or been interested were it not being designed to be similar to the Mother game. If it were designed like a Dragon Warrior or Final Fantasy or Fire Emblem or what the fuck ever kind of game, I still wouldn't be interested in it, despite those IPs being much, much bigger than Mother.

And if your alleged game is good or fulfills some sort of niche that no other does, it will have a fanbase. Look at fucking Yume Nikki.

>>285346007
>Stealing IPs

So making a FREE fangame is stealing the IP now? It's a fan-made, unofficial spiritual "sequel". They even said they'd stop if Nintendo told them to (this game's been in the works for 5 years now and they haven't been told to stop). They said they'd change the name if Nintendo was going to make a Mother 4. They even tell people to buy Earthbound on the virtual market in hopes Nintendo WILL make an official Mother 4. Mother fans want a new Mother game. Itoi specifically said he won't make a new Mother game, but he'd be interesting to see what a Mother game made by other people would be like. Itoi said he wants to be the player for once, not the creator. A bunch of fans want to pay back to the community, and make a Mother fangame. The largest collection of Mother fans on the internet (starman.net) are absolutely hyped. It's literally only a bunch of /v/ that's pissy about the name

Even if it wasn't called Mother 4, and ignoring the name altogether, it looks like a great game in general.

>>285346482

>Daily reminder that people who like cake would rather eat cake baked in an oven and pay for it then eat a piled a shit called cake and eat the shit for free.

By your logic, my statement is a legitimate argument against people who don't eat shit.

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>People mod PC game
>Community accepts it as the definitive experience
>People mod Nintendo game
>FUK U THIS IS NOT AS THE DEVELOPERS INTENDED BLARARGARAGR

>>285346703

but it's not a mother game. It's just called that. It's like wanting to eat some chocolate, but I bring you some bread, and call it chocolate, and you eat it while yelling about how much you want to eat chocolate therefore the cake is chocolate.

>>285346470
You completely missed the point of that analogy. How can you be this stupid and still be able to read and type?

>>285346792

Because even if the game is great, the developers now have a following, and can start their career off ill-gotten gains.

They'll change it if the actual artists want them to? How noble of them.

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>This thread again

>>285346984
>food analogies

>>285346007
>What gets me mad is that i'll never be as e-famous as the guys making Mother 4
You're a pathetic fuck you know that?

>>285347115

I got the analogy. it was just wrong, and not what is actually going on with mother 4. What would change if it wasn't called mother 4? No one here would've heard about it and it'd fall into the pile of the other countless free rpgs that no one has heard about.

>>285346404
That's an entirely different, and stupid comparison though.

It wouldn't work for Mario because the game's built around Mario's name.

Mother literally just means "Mother Earth", which means to Itoi that "We're connected to the world". What makes Mother game to the fans, and even Itoi isn't even the story, or the gameplay. It's the experience and journey. If Itoi made a Mother game with no relation to the previous games same for artstyle, writing, pacing, humour, it would still be a Mother game (not just because of Itoi's involvement) if it fit the experience.

What makes a Mother game isn't fighting aliens, Giygas, Porky, or Pigmasks.

It's balancing very serious, dark tones with very upbeat, quirky tones, and pop culture references done in good taste.

If this game can match the writing of previous Mother games, it would fit a Mother game by that style. Mother games are known for the experience, not the story.

>>285346880

PC game modders actually make their full mod games different. Counterstrike isn't just Half Life is it?

Whereas Mother 4 is a Mother 3 clone with a different story. These specific Nintendo game modders and fangame makers aren't creating anything actually new they're reproducing something we already had. .

>>285347379

did I say fame? I want this to be a career. I want a job. I'll start on Final Fantasy 19 then, I guess. That'll look good on my resume.

>>285347156
Your post would make sense, but it doesn't. The devs only came together to make this game. Before making this game, literally none of them knew eachother. They're just a collection of Mother fans. Once they release Mother 4, there's splitting up for good.

Only one of them said he will continue making games, but he said he's changing his internet identity because he doesn't want to ride off the fame of another person's franchise.

>>285346984
No, it's like if I want a specific kind of chocolate that isn't any longer in production, and somebody copies the recipe, makes a few tweaks, and starts shipping it out for free, while you beat your chest and throw shit at the walls in between posting "BUT IT'S NOT OFFICIALLY MADE IN THEIR FACTORY, SO HOW CAN IT BE CHOCOLATE?"

>>285347156
>ill-gotten gains
If the game is good how the fuck are the gains "ill-gotten". The name does not affect the code, music, writing, or gameplay of the finished product. They still had to create all that content. Calling it Mother 4 did not wave a magic want that did all the work for them. If the game is good and the devs make a career of themselves it will have been more than deserved.

>>285347417
except for artstyle, writing, pacing, humour****

>>285347612
they're*

>>285347612

that's fucking retarded. It doesn't matter how they met. They met around the concept of gaining from someone else's work.

Anyone can say anything, but in a few years, I want you to remember when you see "made by the team that made mother 4!" for sale somewhere.

>>285347415
Let me simplify this for you. Does the name of a game affect the content within that game? No? Then shut the fuck up.

>>285346880
Nintendo is the sacred cow to end all sacred cows. Note how people here treat the Mother franchise like a national treasure even though it's a children's game at the end.

>>285347943
>Does the name of a game affect the content within that game?

Yes, I'm betting a number of the dev team would be different or wouldn't be working on it if it wasn't called Mother 4.

>>285347415
Bullshit, it could be called Don King Sucks The Milk Out Of The Rock's Nipples while having the same content it does now, and it would probably be talked about even more.

>>285347890
Did you even read the entire post? It's a free game. They're not gaining anything.

They're not some indie game company, they've only came together for this game, and are splitting up and not making anymore games with eachother after this.

This isn't them trying to start a career off of another franchise. They're making this game for the fans for free, and fucking splitting up, parting ways, and changing their internet identities if they continue making games because they don't want gain fans over another person's work.

>>285347890
I don't know how many times and in how many fucking ways it has to be said that THIS GAME IS FREE. They were no donations, no patreons, no kickstarter. They gained NOTHING from this venture other than the satisfaction of making a game that deserved to be called Mother 4. Whether or not that is the case we'll find out when it comes out but don't act like this was some secret cabal to make money off Itoi.

>>285347890
>I didn't read what I was replying to: The post

You can't be that stupid, anon.

>Free game
>They have never made a game together before, and will not made a new game in the future together
>they're splitting up and changing their internet identities so they won't have a fan following

>>285348096
On what grounds are you basing that statement?

Mother 4 is not truly Mother 4, Project M is not a full game, and idk shit about NPM so I'm not gonna comment about it yet.

>>285348214
>>285348304
>>285348538
Not to mention that they confirmed they're not going to brag and be like "Look at me I made mother 4"

the slogan pretty much is "For mother fans, by mother fans", not "For mother fans, by big shiny name"

>>285348590

The fact that they make such a big mention that the game is made through the love of the Mother franchise.

Doesn't exactly sound like they'd be interested if they weren't making it an entry in the series.

>>285338604
>Developers think they're better than Nintendo devs.
This is what I fucking hate about smash discussion on /v/
They've said before that making Project M is nowhere near as hard as making an actual game from the ground up
Don't fucking lie

>>285335565
yeah, the only thing that bothers me is that it's called "Mother 4"
sounds too official to me

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qtQWUF6-Co

>This trailer

Okay I'll admit I was skeptical but now I'm hype as fuck

I just find it really audacious to call your fan game a numbered sequel.
It tells me the team has an inflated sense of self importance.

>Good fangames

>Project M

>Not Brawl Minus

>New Paper Mario

>Not Paper Mario 3D World or Newer Super Mario Bros Wii

The only good game in that list is Mother 4 because it was made from scratch unlike the other 2 that are just personal opinion edits instead of making the game better

>>285335401
why did nintendo kill the Metroid Prime HD remake?

>>285349227
considering the team said they're not going to brag about making the fangame, they're splitting up after this, and changing their internet identities so they won't gain a fan following from another person's franchise.

That doesn't really seem like a sense of self importance

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>>285349267
>Project M
>not making brawl better

>>285346232
>it isn't more fun
Maybe not to you...

>>285349267
>Project M
>Not making Brawl better

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>>285349702
>being a whiny tourneyfag shit

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>>285349765
>clunky slow bullshit for the sake of "making it fair for everyone"
>good

>>285335401
SMRPG > Paper Mario

opinion discarted

>>285349471
No, it still does.
I could make an identity of Leonadi-Da-Vincey and go tape up my Mona Lisa 2 into the Louvre and tell everyone to get their ass to the Louvre to check out my sequel.
Then the next day I change my name to Bob Anderson and pretend Mona Lisa 2 never happened.
But that would be false humility, because I still think I made Mona Lisa 2 and at no point did I change it to Smiling Woman, as inspired by the Mona Lisa. Fuck no, I made a sequel, its fucking great, and how dare you think I'm audacious! I changed my identity and everything just look at how humble I am!

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>>285349860
>Playing a placebo mod that just calls itself Melee gameplay to trick idiots into thinking its actually that.

>>285349765
Even if you're not tourneyfag, how the fuck can you enjoy vanilla Brawl?

>>285350174
It doesn't have to be an exact copy of melee. Its still more fun to play then Smash4/vBrawl.

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>>285344026
And yet Sonic - After The Sequel was met with glowing praise from /v/ as a TRUE sequel to S&K in light of Sonic 4, and that future games could learn a thing or two from a fan sequel

It's almost as if Mother fans have done the impossible by proving that there's a level of autism BEYOND Sonic fans!

It might not be as good as Melee, but most people who talk shit about PM have never even played it. Hating it is just an epic meme, or they're trolls.

>>285350926
The funny thing is, EVERY mother fan community outside /v/ is hyped for this. Even Starman, the biggest collection of mother fans on the internet are hyped as fuck.

>>285351030
I played it, I'm just not a fan of it. the movement feels too clunky to me.

>>285351127
Maybe it's because /v/ never left the 2008 mentality where it thinks that defending the integrity* of the Mother series will make Samtron take a second or two out of her suicidal life to notice them

>>285336176
Mother 4 probably wont be better than the other Mother games, but I dont think there goal is to make a better game either.

>>285351235
Clunky compared to melee or Brawl/4?

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>>285351127
You keep on saying that.
Yet /v/ isn't.
And a quick reminder, you are on /v/.
Also fuck you and your absolutes.

>>285351424
Brawl/4 because there's a lot of input lag.

>>285350174
Anon nobody is playing PM and saying "Now I'm playing Melee!"

>>285351235
I disagree, but that's perfectly reasonable. When PM's engine is exactly like Melee's, it won't feel as clunky any more.

>>285351508
But PM has less? Smash4/Brawl even has that move buffer bullshit going on.