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Alright now I'm convinced this game isn't difficult.

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Alright now I'm convinced this game isn't difficult.
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>FaP ring
>Havel set
>no doubt overlevelled
>no doubt guide user
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>>285116618
this

also
>killing ornstein first
git gud
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>>285116618
II didn't use a flask I didn't even need the armor
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Souls games being hard is a meme. You literally can't lose. Souls games are meant to be challenging and offer a sense of accomplishment, and everything down to and including death are built around that sense of challenge. Every time you fail it props you back up and gives you a hill to climb.
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>>285116437
use the pillar as barriers, and line yourself up so that they will bodyblock each other half of the time.
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>>285116858
I noticed you have one humanity, but zero souls...
I know it goes without saying that humanity does restore 100% HP...
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>>285116773
/thread
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>>285116618

>FaP ring given to you outside of the boss room
>Easy to find Havel set via window outside or with hint signs
>overlevelled
>guide user

git gud
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>there are actually people on /v/ who played dark souls using a guide
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>using a guide

How much a pleb could you be?
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>>285116773
I always preferred to fight Super Smough, always thought he was easier.
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>>285117224
Got hit by the two silver knights on the way up so I used it.
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>>285117790
I used the wikia a shitload if that counts.
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>reading the wiki
out
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>>285117909
I'm not using a guide. There are signs everywhere telling me what to do.

One sign told me to kill the guy locked in the cell so I did and got the ring. Another told me there was a path hidden ahead and I found the Havels items in there.

Ornstein and Smough weren't too difficult to figure out after one try. They constantly separate because Ornstein charges at you so I just whacked away every time they were isolated.
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>>285116437
Was Smough's face always like that?
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Dark Souls while one of the best games of the generation is contrary to popular belief not hard. It's punishing and it doesn't hold your hand but it doesn't actually take a lot of skill. Just take a look at how many people have beaten it, people like Pewdiepie and DSP. If you think the Souls games are hard then you have bought into Bamco's marketing bullshit and are part of the problem with the public perception of these games.

The reasons why Dark Souls is good and one of my favourite games are its well designed combat, its great level design, it respecting your intelligence rather than holding your hand, it punishing mistakes, its great sound track, its great art design, its great story and setting. There are a lot of reasons to like Dark Souls but high difficulty isn't one of them, the difficulty is appropriate and well balanced, not super hard or easy. Miyazaki himself has always said that difficulty was never the point of these games.

I don't say this to be mr hardcore "oh I think this game is soooo easy" I say this because reducing all of what makes Dark Souls a good and interesting game down to its difficulty is unfair to craft that went into it. It really bums me out to see people just playing it for the challenge like its some kind of badge of honor, people shitting on the game for not being as hard as promised and people who have been scared away or otherwise turned off by all of the "PREPARE TO DIE XD" talk.
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>>285118540
Congratulations on finally beating a boss fight millions of other people already have years ago when it came out some not even above soul level 1.

What do you want a fucking cookie?
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>>285116437
>FaP
>Grass Crest
>Abnormally high vitality for O&S
>Havel
This is either bait or unintentional bait.
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>>285118540
You're not supposed to read signs on your first playthrough you jackass.
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>>285116898
>literally can't lose

Losing is failing to complete the game, just like every single other game.
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>>285118540
>reading ingame guides
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>>285119218
No. I just want people to stop calling this a hard game.
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>>285119451
>Abnormally high vitality for O&S
25 is abnormally high?
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>>285119671
What did I just read?
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>>285120046
Yes. Yes it certainly is.
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>>285119913
Why because one faggot barely scraping by after grinding and getting outside help from other people?

Yea no faggo
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>>285120046
i actually normally beat the game with 15
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>>285120167
But I'm not using spells so I can't really put it anywhere else but strength and endurance.

More to the point I didn't get hit at all during the fight so I don't even need vitality that high.
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>>285118540
you are supposed to take signs with a grain of salt
a good portion of them are there specifically to fuck you over
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>>285120252
I didn't grind at all. Should I ignore the signs to intentionally make the game more difficult or something? I haven't even summoned anyone yet
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Damn, when i first played this game i killed 'em with no problems, getting past that damn archer before tho...
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>>285120649
just out of curiosity what level are you
you should post your build
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>>285120821
I'm level 128
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>>285120884
>Pretending to be me
Nice try m8.

I'll post a screenshot of my build in a second
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>>285119671
>>285119814
I don't really think you all understand the purpose of the orange soapstone
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There I beat one without wearing armor

Sheesh
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>>285122091
so how about that build you were posting
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>>285119671
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>>285122091
Cute butt anon.
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>>285122091
anon, stray demon is a lot easier without armor
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>>285116437
Level 8 beating Smough and Ornstein on new game+2 under 3 minutes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kz-s2XEA7a8
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>>285122353
What the fuck do you want me to do? Wear armor or not?
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>>285122771
post your fucking build
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>>285118112
Sure kid, you used humanity, a finite resource, instead of a flask for some knights. Not like you panicked at O&S when you got hit several times and avoided using a flask just so you could post a cool screenshot.

I also notice you seem to have died several times on your way to the bosses.
>0 souls
>hollow

Also O%S are a joke. Run, use pillars, kill ornstein easy without getting hit. Super smough is even easier than regular ornstein. Doesn't help your case that you went full easymode with the easiest PvE armor in the game with the most easymode rings too.

Congratulations, after several attempts and lots of deaths you beat some easy bosses while playing the game on easy mode. Great job.

>>285122091
This is the 2nd easiest boss in the entire game. He's also easier to beat without armor. The fact that you used took damage beyond fall damage on him is sad.

It's like you're coming here and saying "hey guys I got to the end of the order 1886, am I a hardcore gamer?"
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>>285122771
if you beat seathe on your first try maybe then i'll believe you got gud
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>>285122091
In a game where everyone and their mother does SL1 runs without any trouble, why do you think you're special for beating the easiest nontutorial boss in the game?
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>>285123032
but anon...pinwheel
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>>285122353
this

are you retarded?
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It's not difficult. If you know how to play a video game, you're not going to have a tough time with it. It's only "the hardest game in the world" to the casual faggots at IGN and most average people.

Now stop making these threads every day you fucking retard.
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>>285123032

>easiest
>not Pinwheel or Ceaseless Discharge

wut?
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>>285122091

>Thinks armor means anything

Lol
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>>285123374
>not gaping dragon
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>>285123296
no one is denying that its hard
game is pretty easy if you are intelligent and pay attention
but the op is clearly a retard
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>>285123023
>Tries 20 times
>summons 3 phantoms
>unsummons all of them right before it dies
>unequips armor
>uses all flasks until only 5 left from 20
>I SWEAR I DIDN'T KINDLE ANYTHING
>Am I cool yet guys?

>>285123146
Pinwheel has the potential to overwhelm the worst of players if they have low stamina because he creates clones that spam fire. Stray demon, you literally have to run behind his ass and spam, then move away for a second when he does his 5 second chargeup before using an attack that has 0% chance of hitting you. Easiest boss in the game is asylum demon. I'd say pinwheel is 3rd easiest and gaping maw is 4th, followed by moonlight buttefly at 5th.
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>getting upset somebody said Dark Souls isn't hard

It kind of isn't, guys, once you get into the right mindset.
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>>285123445

You can make Ceaseless literally fall to his own death.

Technically you can do that to Taurus Demon too...

Gaping at least has a few kinda...troublesome moves.

But yes, he's also a pushover.
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>>285123474
Yes they are. I am, and so are several other people. It's not hard. I repeat, it's absolutely not a hard game. It's just challenging during the learning process, which can last anywhere from 30 minutes to 10 hours depending on how bad someone is at video games in general. After that it's easy. It only gets easier once you learn rolling has iframes. After that it's piss easy. Literally the most dangerous thing in the entire game becomes badly designed ledges, like the tree trunk in blighttown.
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>>285123620
I get more upset at this type of comment. No game is hard once you're already good at it, and know all the ins and outs of it, especially an RPG.
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the souls games main appeal is that they are unforgiving worlds with atmosphere and exploration aka spiritual successors to kings field. kings field 4 was so fucking good though and if you haven't played it you are a faggot.
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>>285123780
>note, unforgiving does not mean hard. its like how kings field 4 has that lava pit near the start that you can accidentally fall into for a sudden game over. you could have just avoided it but since you weren't looking you are dead faggot.
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guys, in all honesty, how long can it take to beat the game? assuming no guides, etc.

I played like 90 minutes like a week ago and haven't felt like playing again. It's just not my type of game. I want to give it a chance and play it in its entirety to form an informed opinion.

so, how long for single player campaign, 50 hours? 100 hours? 150?
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>>285123902
AAAAAAND didn't mean to greentext that but the point still stands, go play kingsfield
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>>285123779
Not true. Battletoads is hard even if you pass it 10 times.
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>>285123928
It can be beat in as little as a few hours if you know what you're doing.
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>>285123779
I never said that. I meant what you learn to take your time, wait for openings. And it's still challenging, just not DA HARDEST GAME EVA
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>>285123928
It took me ~80 hours, but it's definitely less than that cause I idled a lot. I'd say 50-70 hours is the average.
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>>285124032

Yeah...after playing the game a LOT. That's not what he's asking.

>>285123928

I think it's something like 30 - 50 hours for a first play through, no guides? It's been a long time, so I can't remember. It may not even been that long, honestly. Kinda depends on how much you explore/how much you die, I guess.
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>>285123928
It depends how good you are, with no knowledge about that game it can take some time, but still it's worth it.
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>>285123751
i ment to say it's not hard
it was a typo
but if you kept reading you'd understand that
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>>285123928
If you already beat it before and know exactly what to do, it takes like 6 hours on average I'd say. If you are an average person give it 20~25 hours. If you are really bad, give it 40 hours.

It is very likely once you finish it once you'll return for a 2nd playthrough soon after because you will realize how much variation there can be with builds and you will want to try something else.

I was a fucking faggot like you too at first. I didn't grasp any interest in the game. Got to taurus and quit right after that. Now it's my 2nd favorite game of all time.
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dark souls is easy as FUCK once you faggots GIT GUD
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>>285124332
>>I was a fucking faggot like you too at first.
t-thanks
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>>285123374
Fuck Ceaseless. I don't know how many times that fucker killed me my first run.
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How the fuck do I kill these faggots
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>>285124649
hit them till they die
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>>285123902
>>285123780

This. The game isn't hard it's just easy to die. Not a single boss, including Artorias, Kaathe, and Manus will give you much trouble unless you purposely gimp yourself.
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Once you realize you hold down block all the time and strafe around enemies to their backside, the game gets really easy.
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>>285124649
git gud
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>>285124649
Not pulling 3 at once
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>>285124649
git gud
dodge around until they start their 3 hit attack animation, then hit them till they die
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>>285119005
Anyone can beat it if you take the time to actually get good. Pewdiepie apparently also beat DS2, but he never uploaded all of it because he didn't want to spend a long ass time having to edit all that shit.
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>>285124649
YOU DON'T
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>>285124649
Everyone hates them
https://youtu.be/zmTq1wJCSCY
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>>285124649
I can't tell what's more annoying, these or prowling demons. Both are consistently not easy to kill without taking damage at every point of every playthrough (except maybe skeletons on 1st playthrough if you can 2hit them before they attack)
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What the fuck? I'm not even sure how I won
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>>285124649

Make sure you're playing a STR character, pull out your hardest-hitting STR weapon, two-hand that shit, and do a jumping strike at it. Their aggro-range is stupidly tiny, so you can kill them before they even hit you.
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>>285125423
Did you accidentally breathe on him?
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>>285119913
The only faggots calling this game hard probably started playing games on the xbox
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>>285125423
>Taking damage at pinwheel
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>>285125767
That was probably the fall, anon.
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>>285125902
Not sure what's going on here, but it looks like this guy has 4 estus flasks. So he probably used one during the battle, or right before, after the fall damage.
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>>285126121
Maybe the bonewheel skeletons hurt him beforehand, so he healed before the fall?
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>>285126121
Maybe he healed after dropping down the big hole?
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>>285123023
>Seathe

Wasn't Seath the easiest fucking boss in the game?
I died a ton to S&O and most other bosses, but I killed Seath in a few swings before he could even respond.

I was being pretty cheap with my Lightning Zweihander though. Does he have a weakness to Lightning or something?
I killed him in like 4 swings so maybe he's a hard boss if you let him spam shit, but he was easily the easiest boss for me.
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>>285116437

They're not hard games they're just "trial and error" games ie: you keep fucking up till you figure things out, also known as "git gud" as the memes would have it.
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>>285116437

Why do you have 0 souls then?
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>>285126821
>Does he have a weakness to Lightning or something
Did you even watch the opening cutscene?
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>>285126821
You might be thinking of a different boss. Seath the Scaleless has too much HP to be killed in 4 swings.

Also
>I died a ton to S&O
Pic related
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>>285126821
seath is pretty hard if you're trying to cut his tail
otherwise it's one of the easiest bosses in the game
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>>285126821

Did you not watch the opening of the game? How Gwyn and everyone killed the dragons with lightning? Lightning fucks up dragons.
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>>285126821
Unless you dealt 1382 damage per hit after reductions, you didn't kill him in 4 hits.
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>>285127149

Nope, it was defiantly Seathe.
Big pale fucker with a bunch of statues all over the place.

He died in 4 - 6 hits, I did not count. All I remember is that he didn't even take a full stamina bar.

And yes, I was a noob the first time I played. That's how video games work, anon.

>>285127139
>>285127248

The intro said they used Lightning to peel the scales from the dragons. Seathe already has no scales.
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I saw people playing as Artorias (not cosplay, the actual boss). Can you damage enemies playing like that, or no?

And can you play as a wheel skeleton?
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>>285123445
Somehow I fucking died to Gaping Dragon on my first attempt.
Second attempt I whipped his ass though.
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>>285119005
I'll agree with that

It's not terribly easy either, and it's very unforgiving. But it is fair and once you start playing the game according to how it demands to be played, it becomes much easier.
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He kills his own skeletons. How is this hard?
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>>285127414
Actually with a +5 lightning zwei it would've taken around 10 hits to kill him. Possibly 11. No way around it because lightning weapons don't scale so stats wouldn't have affected it.

Just saiyan.
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>>285128095
still waiting on that build
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>>285118051
Casual
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Nah OP, at least you're not as shit as this cunt

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5reMTTpAwk

Fucking casul can't even do the Duke's Archives shortcut
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Why are you faggots giving OP shit for making progress?
Ornstein and Smough were hard as fuck on my first playthrough. Took me two tries, first I had two summons and they absolutely destroyed me. Second try I had no summons and it took me like 30 minutes but I killed them.
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>>285128274
because he is a lying faggot
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>>285119005
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>>285128095
Look fag, no one is paying attention to you anymore. No one cares that you're on your nth playthrough of the game and still taking damage from bosses you have no business getting hit from. Nito can be beaten even by an unskilled player without taking a hit. Just run when he charges up. Attack when he doesn't. Roll when he swings. The fact that you wasted so much estus on him is and are claiming to be good is pathetic. Stop trying.
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>>285128095

>Nito
>Not just using an enchanted weapon to keep skeletons dead
>Stacking poise (The dog ring is good for this)

Nito is easy if you know what you're doing.
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>>285122846
Can you try harder.

DaS isn't hard. It just isn't. it doesn't matter who says it, even if the OP is a faggot, he's still right.
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>>285128345
>game is still $40
>Even the best sale wouldn't be more than 50% off
>80% of the people that paid $20 - $60 for that game didn't even get the fucking flask

How can you justify giving up on a $40 game after playing for like 5 fucking minutes?
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>>285128345
An interesting thing about this game is that of all the people that made it to the first bell milestone, which is very early in the game, ~51% of those people went on to finish the entire game. You usually see extraordinarily lower retention rates in games.

The fact that 20% of all player actually played the game is also impressive. It means that 1 in every 5 people that got the game in a trade, gift, etc, actually played it. You often see games have around a 5~10% play rate.

>>285128632
The game is $5 on sale every sale.
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>>285128448
I just read over his post and everything he says is saying that
>DaS is not hard at all
>but OP is a fag because he's not good

Get your brain checked pal
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>>285128757

Yeah, I thought it was DS2.

I still don't see how you give up on a game that early though.
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mfw I beat Ornstein and Smaugh on my first try with a dex char, no guides, killing smaugh first
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>>285127867
He grabbed my while I was on his back legs and ate me on my first attempt

was saddening
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>>285124020
I've watched it beaten with ease get gud
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So are there any "hard" bosses left? Anything at all? This was a joke
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>>285128876
Because they haven't played it yet. It's still in their inventory, unplayed. They haven't given it up. Of all the people that actually played it (and therefore reached the first bonfire which is a like minute into the game), about 1 in 3 of them actually finished the game, based on achievement percentages. 1 in 2 people reached Anor Londo at least.
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>>285129105
>being so insecure that you cant even post your stats
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>>285129105
>gwyndolin
>6 estus flasks
>havel
How in the hell did he force you to pop 4 flasks?
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>>285129105
Have fun with Gwyn.
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>>285129279
I dunno like level 65 or something now with strength primarily followed by vitality and endurance
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>>285129367
hardest boso in the game
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>>285129421
then post a picture of it
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>>285129359
I didn't know the fight
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>>285129449
This is a joke right?

Manus is hardest. Gwyn is a joke
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>>285129105
>havel
Have fun with Arty.
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>>285129538
>Buying the DLC
I've seen a guy fight Manus.
Manus ain't shit
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>>285129521
git gud
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>>285129609
>Playing on any platform other than PC
Thanks for letting us know you're a plebeian

Manus ain't shit but he's still relatively speaking, the hardest boss in the game, unless you cheese him with arrows.
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>>285129538
His sowrd has fire man

hits when you block

what can you do against that
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>>285116437
>mfw I beat them on 2nd try, naked and two-handing a crystal halberd
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>>285129796
Parry or roll. Or backstab.
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>>285129462
now you can make fun of it
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>>285129857
i beat them on my first try, naked, with my hands and feet tied behind my back
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>>285129872
no man you don't understand he is fast
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>>285129908
>121 poise
With 121 poise you can pretty much tank any boss and spam attacks.
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>>285130051
Did you not see the havel's set he was wearing
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>>285130051
So first I get told not to wear armor and then I get told to wear armor

What am I supposed to wear to make it hard?
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>>285130242
try wearing armor that doesnt make the game easy mode
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>>285130242
Really shit armour and also the worst weapon
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>>285130242
The game isn't hard. I love the fucking game to hell, but it isn't hard.

On the subject of armor it depends what you are using as a weapon. When you are using heavy strength weapons it is usually better to stack poise and use heavier sets. This allows you to take less hitstun, making your slow attacks less risky.
When it comes to light dex weapons, it is quite the opposite. The poise is pretty useless and mobility and high stamina regen is more important. Using heavy armor makes you attack less and dodge worse.

Entirely dependent on build. The game isn't hard though, just fun.
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>>285130404
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Alright what weapon and armor then?
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