BIGGEST KICKSTARTER SCAMS

>>285067230

Whatever happened to that one gender game?

Al;so OP, I take it you donated to unsung story?

>>285067786
>Al;so OP, I take it you donated to unsung story?
No. Infact I told people to check out what games playdek was doing before.

>>285067230
Thats not a scam, though. They seem to be doing the best they can, they just arent as good as their marketing was.

Incompetence =/= malice.

>>285067532
here is your reply

Speaking of Kickstarter, how is Pathologic coming along ?

>>285067786
the grrrrl power fantasy adventure one? iirc didn't meet it's goal.

>>285067959
>they just arent as good as their marketing was.

In this case, it's misleading.
Not as bad as taking actual gameplay and making it an entire bullshot/lie (such as that aliens game from a few years ago), but it's pretty far up there.

Judging from op's image, they did enough to look good for the donations.
At least they aren't running off with the money but god damn I'd be pissed if I donated to that.

>>285068863
Its not misleading, since ingame models are never 100% like concept art. Which is why its called concept art.
The concept is there, it looks sort of like it, you can tell they were following the concept and trying to make it like that.

Its just shoddy execution and nothing else.

>>285068284

Still pretty early in development. they finished the development tools, so they can now actually start the game making itself, they have plenty of assets done, etc.

Their updates are a bit weird, it's written as a play script, with the description of each dev's role and stuff.

They seem to be doing well so far.

>>285067230
Why do you keep making this thread

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>>285069008
No shit, but there's a huge quality drop off.

It's like being show pic related and getting skylanders spyro instead.

>>285069283
>look up warcraft 3 concept art
>look up warcraft 3 models

>look up neverwinter nights concept art
>look up neverwinter nights models

>look up mount&blade concept art
>look up mount&blade models
Fuck, the M&B concept art is even in the fucking game, on the text screens.

Concept art doesnt translate into ingame models. Never has, never will.

>>285067959
>they just arent as good as their marketing was.
If you cant deliver with the budget you asked for then reduce the graphics.
As in psx low poly graphics style instead of ugly early ps2 style models.
Or fucking use sprites. Worked for tactics ogre and fft.

>>285068863
Why would anyone give money to strangers when said strangers reserve the right to say "PRODUCT IS DEAD! NO REFUNDS"

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>>285067230
>tfw I backed them

I have only myself to blame. Remember, you're not buying a game AT ALL. You're supporting developers who are TRYING to make a game.

That being said this is my first Kickstarter miss that I've supported. I've loved all the games I've supported:
- Chivalry
- FTL
- Shadowrun
- Divinity
- Banner Saga

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>>285069490
>Concept art doesnt translate into ingame models. Never has, never will.
Bull shit. It allways depends on the quality of the artists you're using.
FFXII had the same concept artist as unsung story and the concept art translated perfectly into the game.
Your examples are games with shit art direction in the first place.
Warcraft 3's concept art looked like highschool notebook scribbles.

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>>285069490
>Concept art doesnt translate into ingame models. Never has, never will.
Top kek. Maybe in the case of shitty western developers.
If your ingame assets look worse than the concept art, you're doing something wrong.

>>285069698
If the FFXII concept art looked exactly like your screenshot it was just shit art.

>>285069152

Here's the actual quotes:

"I’ve finished the alpha version of the game editor."

"The tabletop game is entering real asset production now."

So stuff is being produced. The Kickstarter ended in less than 6 months ago. the pace is fine.

So here's my solution for those devs.
Stop trying to imitate current gen AAA titles with your limited resources but imitate the style of the game you were trying to fool people into financing you in the first place.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcYm5lxztiY

Low poly landscape + sprites.
Literally nobody would complain since this game was entirely funded on FFT nostalgia in the first place.

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>>285069490
>Concept art doesnt translate into ingame models. Never has, never will.
>i have no idea what im talking about

>>285069936
So how's work at playdek?
Pay good?

>>285070140
>people who disagree with me are obviously paid to do so

kek

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>>285069936

Wrong again. They just had talent and put the effort.

>>285070219
Nah, thats just shit concept art. Very little detail, only 1 side shown, no variety between a few possible kits and poses.
Deviant art tier.

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>>285069936
>>285070219

One more. And it looked great with PS2 specs.

>>285070219
Thats actually pretty shit art. I could do that.

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>>285069490
Again, no shit.

Most of the time, an artist working on concept art has good follow up with the devs that transitions well into the game.
Look at pic related. Morrowind is no graphical powerhouse by today's standards but if you went from concept art to in game models, you'd see it actually delivered.

In the case of OP, it's clearly the devs hiring a really good artist just for the concept art so they can hide their crapping modeling/texture skills.
Even if the model itself didn't have a derpy face, everything else just feels wrong and out of place.

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>>285069490
>Concept art doesnt translate into ingame models. Never has, never will.
But that's the whole point of concept art, you retarded nigger.

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/midgarstudio/edge-of-eternity-pc-mac-linux-ps4-xbox-one

I hope this shit ends up being good

>>285070056
>Dulahan artorias
That's actually pretty neat

>>285070420
Looks extremely generic.

>>285070390
>I could do that.
Ok, show some of your work since you're clearly better than yoshida. :^)

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>>285070331

TIME TO MOVE THE GOALPOSTS

Here's a "proper" page of concept art, with tons of different angles and she looks the same in-game.

>>285070331
>Deviant art tier.
It's actually by yoshida. You know the dude who did the concept art in the OP.
Also 2/10 made me reply.

>>285070390

By all means, show it to us.

>>285070331
>>285070390
So... you don't like akihiko yoshida but you defend unsong story, a game that was purely funded on nostalgia for a game made by yoshida and matsuno?

>>285070395
The difference between this concept art and model is the same as the one in the OP image.

>>285070331
>>285070390
Radio silence in 3... 2... 1...

>>285070390
Art is not technical. Art is sending a message.

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>>285070839
>The difference between this concept art and model is the same as the one in the OP image.
Because everyone loved the elder scrolls series for their modelling?
Oh no wait, that was the point they were mocked the most for.
Their absolutely unskilled and untalented 3D artists.

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>>285069490
retard

>>285070851
>>285070776
>>285070672
I dont care if the pope drew it. Its shit.
Maybe he has better works, this isnt among them.

>>285070776
Matsuno is not making this game.

>western games used to look like shit
>eatern games used to look great
>western kickstarter scam hires a concept artist from the golden era of japanese gamedesign
>western kickstarter scam hires a 3D artist from the worst era of american gamedesign
top kek

>>285070970
>"you'd see it actually delivered"
>no, it didnt
>"WELL OF COURSE IT DIDNT!!!"

Barkley 2 is coming, right?

>>285071058
>Matsuno is not making this game.
I know. But he was their main selling point. MATSUNO AND YOSHIDA WORK ON THIS GO FUND. I still remember the threads.

>>285070970
To be honest Oblivion was some sort of a disaster in that department. They've managed to make faces look worse than Morrowind's ones. I don't even know how.

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>>285070839
It's the style and quality you god damn idiot.

If they couldn't meet expectations, they should've went for a less realistic concept art or one that was more generic, and not plaster the artists we do know and love all over the kickstarter page.

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Good thing the only thing I gave money to was Divinity: Original Sin and Pillars of Eternity because I actually knew who Larian and Obsidian were and could reasonably trust them.

>mfw people give money to no-names and has-beens promising them the world

>>285071202
>I still remember the threads.

So you remember weeb autists on /v/ fisting themselves over two japanese cartoonists being mentioned in a kickstarted.

How about you check facts next time before you throw away money?

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>>285071014
>Its shit.
I'd like to hear some reasoning for this.
We all know it's not shit and you're either trolling or severly delusional. But go and tell us why exactly it is shit.

FFXII had some stellar concept art, not to mention those few pieces of concept art that are on the internet are tiny scans from artbooks.

>>285071146
yes

Cube World.

What Kickstarter is: Investment in a future product that may or may not happen.

What everyone thinks it is: Preorder service for stuff before production has started

>>285071359
No, the OP image and your image portray the same concept art to model transition.
In both cases the fine details are lost, but the main theme is kept.

>>285071381
>Good thing the only thing I gave money to was Divinity: Original Sin and Pillars of Eternity because I actually knew who Larian and Obsidian were and could reasonably trust them.
If you know anything about obsidian it takes some balls to give them money. They are the kings of burning before they finish.

>>285070056
Are you blind? Those textures look absolutely horrible.

>>285071386
>So you remember weeb autists on /v/ fisting themselves over two japanese cartoonists being mentioned in a kickstarted.
You sound like some of those bitter /ic/ "artists" who can't draw a straight line and when being told that it's shit go into full "AT LEAST IT'S NOT MANGA YOU WEEBSHITS" mode.

>>285068194
As edgy and fedoraesque as his post may be, he's not actually wrong.

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>>285071565
You sound like you are projecting and insulting instead of admitting you mistook hype on /v/ for facts.

>all that WESTERN GAMES OORAH butthurt
top kek

>>285071506
Morrowind: Realistic concept art, realistic in game models with changes
Unsung story: Realistic concept art, cartoony in game models with changes

Point is, latter looks like shit compared to concept art, devs knew they couldn't do it so they hired a good artist to cover them up, and now the truth comes out that they should be doing mobile game bullshit instead.

>>285071519
And yet I still enjoy their games despite that. A lot of their games brings something different to the table that many other games don't. Either way, if you haven't noticed, some of their latest games are extremely polished.

Of course a lot of people like to just fall back on arguments that existed 5 years ago.

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>>285067230
The biggest one right here

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>>285071519
>They are the kings of burning before they finish.

No, that's this fat fuck.

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Projects with yoshida attached generally have very good concept art.

If you don't have capable 3D artists for that then go the 2D sprite route.

>>285071519

Even obisidian's borken shit are more entertaining than a bunch of "complete" project nowadays.

Had more fun playing Alpha Protocol and F:Nv than playing any other AAA Western RPG in the last 8 years.

>>285071872

What's wrong with it? Didn't it come out?

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This piece of shit

https://www.yahoo.com/movies/hollywood-diversity-study-box-office-112050576074.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma

It claimed it would be the rebirth of JRPGs with some of the sensibilities of western games, with a bunch of veteran developers and even Uematsu

This is the result

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JixGwJ4YiLw

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>>285067230

>>285071897
>>285071845
Don't be cunts. I love obsidian games but they always use up their money too quickly and release unfinished games either filled with bugs or endings that just kinda peter out to nothing.

>>285072123
That wouldn't be so bad if they didn't hype it into oblivion and pulled similar tactics like op did.

That would make for a nice 3ds/vita game, but beyond that that's terrible.

>>285072202
Man I'm glad I didn't pay a dime for this, it's fun but disappointing.

>>285072241
Is this the part where someone brings up deadlines, early releases and other publisher influence and people get called obsidrones?

>>285072123
hahahaha oh wow

>>285072123
You posted the wrong link, champ

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>>285071014
Man you got your ass handed to you on a Chinese cartoon imageboard, that must be awkward

>>285072123
Okay now is that the FINAL result or is it still in early development?

This is very important
As I put money towards it and that looks garbage

>>285072123
>>285072590
Shit sorry I'm posting on crossposting at /tv/ right now

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1300298569/project-phoenix-japans-indie-rpg-feat-aaa-talent

>>285072241
TIm Shafer is way worse. Pretty much every single project he has helmed has run out of money and suffered for it.

Do I even need to remind you that he asked for even more money halfway into development when he got over $3 500 000 from the kickstarter?

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>>285072123
Here's the concept art they used to drum up attention for the game btw.

>>285072123

It's THESE lands, not this lands.

>>285072678
Are you asking that seriously? jesus fuck, dude.

>>285072123
Its like I'm looking at Crystal Chronicles with all the fun sucked out.

>>285072759
I dont give a shit. I was talking about obsidian. You can go jack of to turn shafer tears all you want I don't play point and clicks.

>>285072619
>mention things already known
>act like you are giving me new information
>gloat about getting me REKT and BTFO

0/10 performance, my tired face still resting calmly in my palm.

>>285072123
Isn't that like, really early alpha though? There isn't even music

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>>285071552
>textures
>on a drawing
>didnt translate properly to 3D

Is dis nigga serious?

>>285072123
>Creative Intelligence Arts, LLC
Wait... weren't those the same people that scammed /a/ with their WE WILL MAKE THE ULTIMATE ANIME kickstarter that was cancelled a few weeks ago?
Something with dogs...

>>285072851
Yes, it's not that difficult to answer is it?

>>285070891
Faggot

>>285071637
cool story, how about dem kisckstarter videogames tho?

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>>285072814
Seems like they pulled the same bait tatic like as op.

Give out realistic, GOOD concept art, follow up with cartoony bullshit.

It's not that cartoon style isn't good, just don't fucking lie about it.

Like pic related.
Obviously the 3ds models are shit b/c lol 3ds hardware, but were the devs lying about? No.

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>>285067230
Dude you are so fucking buttmad it's making me clenched butthole happy, do you not get that it's early development? Woah man though top fedora tip man well done

>>285067230
So this was advertised as a Tactics Ogre/FFT game, the people expected 2d with that art style and instead they got 3d fantasy warriors tactics?

>>285073052
>Seems like they pulled the same bait tatic like as op.
The same dudes scammed /a/ too.

http://myanimelist.net/forum/?topicid=1346873

Even mal is laughing at /a/ now, because they bought into that scam.

>>285072885
You said Obsidian were kings when it came to burning through money, as in being the worst offenders. Tim Shafer is worse.
In other words you were wrong.

I'm not defending or bashing anyone here, only stating facts.

>>285073194
>>285072919

Kojima himself got tricked

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1300298569/project-phoenix-japans-indie-rpg-feat-aaa-talent/posts/974482

I bet he doesn't rike it now

>>285073185
>So this was advertised as a Tactics Ogre/FFT game, the people expected 2d with that art style and instead they got 3d fantasy warriors tactics?
Exactly. I don't even know why they're doing that, because making a FFT looking game would probably be a lot cheaper.

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>>285072865
Here's some concept art that DIDN'T lie about what the game would be like...

>>285072678
>>285072698
>>285072814
>>285072894
>>285072919


Vertical Slice. Literally the approval of concept BEFORE even an Alpha. And it was never a "Official release" only developer level backers even got to play because it's pretty crude.

And they are switching engines, going from Unity to Unreal 4

AND they never hid that the gameplay models wouldn't be chibi or smaller models. It's in the fucking front page and all in-game models were stated to be chibi models.

Also the portraits in dialgue will have the level of detail showed in the concept art.

>>285073264
Oh wow.
I guess that's the japanese version of gaben showing up in that one kickstarter scam about swordfighting.

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>>285073307
>we will never see a good Crystal Chronicles game ever again

>>285072123
Wasn't nobou on the team as well

>>285073351
Oh dear.

>>285073194
>>285073264
>>285073381

No, if you guys bothered to read, you'd know that the project is still up and the guys in charge of actually making the anime are mostly still there. They just parted from CIA as a publishing agency. Their budget is still secured.

>>285067230
You are upset the graphics look kind of ugly? Am I understanding this right?

I still can't believe how lucasarts could pull of stuff like monkey island with a budget of $100.000 and then tim schäfer comes along and isn't even able to deliver half of that experience with 3.3 million.

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>>285073264
Holy shit how humiliating is it for a huge name in the industry like Kojima to give his support and for them to shit in his face.

>>285073194

Are you kidding? /a/ was laughing at this crashing and burning because it was funded by "muh saving anime" retards.

>>285072894
it is but very very very few games change drastically from their first showing to their final release for the better

>>285069503
Sprites are too expensive, the devs cannot pocket as much money that way

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>>285073412
>We will never get Crystal Chronicles remake on 3ds/Wii u

>>285073559
Y'know, I actually hope you're wrong. Even though you're probably not

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>>285073351
>>285073498

Here's an image on how the dialogue would play out

>>285073664
>>285073559

They are swapping engine, because thet decided that Unity didn't meet they development expectations.

>>285073209
Get a dictionary you stupid cunt.
King -
a person or thing preeminent in its class
Preeminent -
superior
Superior -
above the average in excellence.

All that implies is they are better than the average at wasting money. Learn to fucking read english you stupid cunt.

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>>285067230
I'm suprised the original hasn't been posted yet.
>But this wasn't really a scam, just dumbasses.

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>>285073675
fff- well it MAY turn out to be better than expected but this has left me feeling real stupid about giving them $20.00

>>285069490
worst post of 2015

>>285067230

Easily Starbound https://imgur.com/a/DPVRP

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>>285073603
>Sprites are too expensive, the devs cannot pocket as much money that way
Then create low poly models that look like sprites.
Solved the issue for you. The only problem with sprite-art is animating it.
But even sprite art is cheaper than going full 3D.

>>285073540
Kojima is based, he realises, sighs and forgets about it.
He just don't give a fuck and keeps on having fun.
He is a badass.
So do you.

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>>285070395
>>285070404
>>285070625
>ITT: Faggots who don't know shit about making games confuse the point of concept art for orthographics.

Concept art is used to sell the game, it looks super pretty because of that.
Afterwards, the artists draw orthographics (>>285071938 top right, bottom left) that are flat drawings of the various perspectives so the modelers have something to model off of by lining the ortho up in the different 3D views of the program.

>>285073839
Obligatory
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY5yG2KyQfM

That gay/tranny game whatsitcalled where they hired "real" tranny to write for them and holy shit are they the worst type real fucking ugly
they released a 3 second video of the model "showing" the progress they made when it fact there was none
they

>>285072123
i thought this was the second coming of christ with all those people who worked on "good games"

>>285073981

Then why those FFXII concept art looks highly similar to the in-game models?

I can understand simplified stuff for modelers, but you can't deny that in the case of Yoshida and FFXII, the difference was minimal.

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>>285073981
>Concept art is used to sell the game
No, you fucking mongoloid. Concept art is used as a reference for the 3D artists to follow the art director's creative concept for the game.
Concept art is used for asset creation.
PROMO ART is used to sell the game.

Just leave this thread, you made enough of a fool out of yourself already.

>Supported FTL. Loved it.
>Supported Shadowrun. Disappointed from that.
>Supported Wasteland 2. But did get ripped off by getting the collectors edition, looks like a chinese retard just collected junk. Collected junk edition.
>Almost supported mighty number 9.
>Supported a local craft dice.

>Probably won't support another one ever one again unless its a local thing.

>>285073839
It was exactly what it was advertised to be wasn't it?

>>285074082
Lol.
>His fucking regret from start to finish.

>>285073381
But that wasn't a scam tho
just bad management and thinks they can make a game without real programmers and not just code monkeys they think will do with chump change

>>285072241
Yeah. Unfinished games with bugs or endings 5 years ago.

Did you not pay attention to what I said?

>>285073839
Man I was so hyped for ouya, I know it was going to be low gfx, but I was thinking PS1/N64 level, I didn't think they were going full android, I'm glad I didn't back them. E3 was an embarrassment "come outside of the complex, we couldn't get in because we didn't file the paperwork correctly...free beer and DJ, please come...please"

>>285074146
If those FFXIV orthos are anything to go off of, I'd say it's because they have REALLY good ortho artists, really good modelers, and high quality control.

I've come to realize that one of the biggest things missing from all those shitty indie game makers/companies is a lack of management for quality control and PR.
[It's something they overlook but it's necessary for all businesses nowadays.