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What made Demon's Souls so superior to Dark Souls?

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What made Demon's Souls so superior to Dark Souls?
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Less media exposure and even less thins explained give it certain air of mystery.
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Nothing, Dark souls is amazing. I like both, but my preference is Dark Souls. Having said that, Demon's Souls is still great.

The real question is why is Dark Souls 2 so chock full of poor design decisions and poor coding?
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I'd get a PS4 if they remastered Demons Souls.
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>>284718551
But it's not superior. I think the atmosphere is better and yes, it was the first one, but the actual mechanics are pretty bad at times, I didn't even complete it because of the health system.

>die at a boss, using all your health items
>continue to grind for hours to either buy new ones or get enough of them
>repeat until you kill the boss
>inb4 get gut - I played the game when the MP wasn't so active and I had to solo all the bosses, which made it hard for a melee class sometimes

As opposed to Dark Souls:
>great system of estus flasks, where you have to conserve health but if you fail you don't have to grind anymore for new health items

Dark Souls also has better boss fights, a semi open metroidvania world that is more compelling than a broken up one in Demon's Souls, more items to use (weapons and especially armour) and a community that is lively even today.
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>>284718551
Nothing, especially that joke of a framerate and blocking certain portions of the game dependent on how well you're doing, especially if you don't suck.
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>>284718551
Fan was actually allowed since From didn't care about muh balance back then.
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>>284718551
novelty, better music and better animations
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atmosphere, music, npcs, world tendency, nexus,
latria trumps everything in any other souls game
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>>284718551
Dark Souls is a much better game and even PS3 shits can't deny that.
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Dark Souls is better. It's LITERALLY Demon's Souls+.
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>>284718551
Giving your vault some use. In DaS you could carry whatever you want.
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>>284719167
>muh meme level

That world was great but holy shit I'm sick of hearing this parroting of M-MUH TOWER OF LATRIA
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>>284718704
There's nothing that's unexplained in Demon's Souls. Demon's Souls has less "mystery" going on than the DaS games.
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>>284719407
>this is what mustards actually believe
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It's PS3 exclusive so it's better.
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>>284718551
Having played Demons Souls and Dark Souls I don't know how anyone can say that Demons is better than Dark.
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>>284719713
Mustard detected. Fuck off
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>>284718945

I didn't mind the grind too much. Early on, I loved doing laps in Boletaria, usually would practice parrying, getting my game down. Later on this wasn't too much of an issue but I get your point.
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>>284718551
no pc fags and there cancerous cheating community
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>>284718945
>>284719821
>having to grind in souls

Git gud. Seriously.
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Played DeS first, before DaS was even released. DaS is just better, not in every way but in most ways.
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Dark souls is better. And i'm not a mustard, i played them both on my ps3.
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>>284718551
gameplay mechanics were better explained by its lore

>Fog Gates
Colourless fog that was released by the Old One


>People going insane and killing each other
They lost their own soul and cant gather enough souls to keep them sane

>Souls as a currency
Because they don't have their own soul anymore, they have to gather more souls to keep them sane, either by force or by exchange of goods

>Item Souls
Some one who stayed in soul form for far too long, to the point they forget who they are and how they look like, they eventually forget they were living things and stop moving, becoming an "item"

>why you gather souls
Because the Old one will only be arrowsed by a great and powerful demon, to become one you must power yourself with the souls of men and demons

>why souls lvl you up
The maiden in Black was once a demon, she has a power over souls and can meld the souls you bring to her into your own soul, making you stronger

>why you lose half of your health in soul form
Because you are not human anymore


Meanwhile in DaS
>Fog Gates
Because DeS had it
>People going insane and killing each other
Because they became zombies
>Souls as a currency
Because DeS had that
>Item Souls
Because DeS had that
>why you gather souls
Because DeS had that
>why souls lvl you up
Because DeS had that
>why you lose half of your health in soul form
You don't, and then in DaS2 you do, for no reason at all!
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>>284719713
>>284719953
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>>284719926
>>284719953
mustards detected fuck off back to /dsg/ enjoy B souls rehash 2.0 only 60$ PLUS tip
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>>284719921
You do know the word "git" is just "get" right? That means you have to GET IT NOT HAVE IT FROM THE START YOU DUMB FUCKING DRONE
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>>284720009
>>284720017
I'm not a mustard you cunts here's a picture of my ps3
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>>284720160
only a mentally challenged 5 year old would need to grind in souls
perhaps mario is more your level
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>>284718945
>I had to solo all the boss
you put it in like that was not what every one worth a salt in souls games weren't supposed to do

you only summon some one to help if you fucking suck at the game and cant beat any boss or you are on your second play though and want to have co-op fun
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The fact that it was first :^)
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>>284718945
I'm playing the game for the first time right now and I feel totally fucked at this point, I don't really know what world tendency is (basically makes the game more difficult) but im getting rekt by phantoms on Shrine of Storms, used up all my ephemeral eyes and most healing grass, not sure I can be bothered grinding now, I definitely prefer Dark Souls system, it punished you for death but wasn't retarded about it.
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>>284718551

DeS had MUCH better level design, more interesting boss design and had genuine difficulty. Even going back and playing it now, shit's tense and taking damage matters, you don't have Estus as a get out of jail free card.

DaS had better PvP and overall refined mechanics.

It's debatable which one had better atmosphere and lightning, but I lean towards DeS.
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>>284719591
>>284719816
Dark Souls is apparently a PC exclusive.
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Being original.

Also, I disliked how Dark Souls reused bosses in Lost Izalith for no apparent reason.
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the first two games were pretty solid

if anyone likes the third one, its a good way to tell they have shit taste.
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>>284720206
I never called you a mustard I just said to fuck off. This game didn't ask for dark souls is better then demon souls It wants to talk about demon souls not fucking dark souls now fuck off.
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>>284720413
Never heard of the concept of sour grapes? They want, but cannot have, which only leads to frustration like a child throwing a tantrum.

Just look at any bloodborne thread, history repeats itself
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>>284718945
>grind
DeS was mostly piss easy.
Mind you, I'm saying "easy", not "boring".

DaS was superior in pretty much every objective aspect.
And for me personally, also in every subjective aspect.
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>>284720267
>>284719921
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>>284720439
>for no reason
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>>284720549
>DaS was superior in pretty much every objective aspect.
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>>284719981
One thing that bothered me a lot in DaS is how the light just comes out of character, where in DeS you had a glowing pendant on your belt.
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Oh look, another thread with DeShitters fucking it up.
Your game isn't bad, but you losers are the most pathetic pieces of shit in existence.
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>>284719981
>autism
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>>284720662
the pendant is also an item in your inventory IIRC
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They're both good and have their own strengths and weaknesses.
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>>284720621
>lets put 6 taurus demons in one place
>lets have Capra on this ledge. Why he's here? I dunno, lava, so it's like hell, so demons, I guess.
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>>284720730
Says the one who almost killed the series.

Thankfully Big M and Sony saved us with *TRIGGER WARNING* PS4 exclusive Bloodborne
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>>284720495
>Stop talking about other game bawww
>Pay attention to my game baaawwww

This thread is about comparing Dark Souls with Demon Souls, if you only address one of these this thread becomes a circlejerk.

At least think a little bit.
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>>284720781
>why think and read, just play the game, it's just a game lol
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I liked das better... But I can understand why some people like des more.
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>>284720819
Educate yourself, son.

Lost Izalith is only "lost" because it was destroyed by the Witch of Izalith when she tried to make another flame akin to the first flame.

She couldn't control the flame and it became the chaos flame, that flame created demons. Thus why demons are hanging out there.
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>>284719921
You have to grind for grass, and you have to grind for Retardednamingconventionstone if you wanted to upgrade anything.
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DeS was easier, shorter, and far buggier. It has some good stuff going for it like the hub and it feels less unfinished, but it's not superior.
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Yurt
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>>284718920
This

I expected DeS to be on PSN when I got my PS4 since it's available on the PS3 for download...

Why the fuck can't I have it? Come onnnn!
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Demon's Souls had it's own flaws but I liked what it did right more compared to Dark Souls. Out of all the souls games combat, I like Demon's souls' the most. It's the fastest of them all. PVP itself is the most broken though but that's because exploits were never patched. I like the upgrade paths the most in Demon's Souls too, everything actually felt usable depending on your build. That said, actually upgrading your weapons was a pain. Though I kinda like it that way since you have to commit to what build your striving for even more but I can see why some people find it tedious. Oh and I just like Demon's Souls' aesthetics more. The armors in the game look nice and fancy while in the Dark games, they look like they've been out in the elements and beaten to hell for years. Though it's obvious Dark armors have actually gone through all that so it's justified at least. I just prefer to look snazzy. Speaking of armor though, kudos to Dark Souls(the first one anyway) in making armor useful.
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>>284721043
>that's why 6 taurus demons are swimming on the bottom of lava lake
Nice one, Vaati.
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Anyone invading/gravelording in DaS' Anal Rodeo right now? I've been gravelorded like three times today, I'm assuming by the same person. I've been invaded a lot too, yet I can't seem to invade anyone.

If you were killed with a Demon Greataxe, that would be me.
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>>284721053
the only stone you need to grind for it to drop is pure blade stone
Hard stone is abundant in stone fang, same for Sharp stone
every other stone was native in some world
and you get a pure version of them once you beat an achdemon
>b-but you only get one
You are not supposed to upgrade every single weapon in the game in one playthough, the same happened in DaS, till people kept nagging from till they patched in some vendors selling upgrade stones
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>>284719981
In DaS2, you lose your health because you hollow. As you hollow more, you become more of a zombie and obviously zombies are not as strong as regular humans.

Don't know why this wasn't the same in DaS though. All you do is become hollow and no one can travel to your world and vice versa.
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Out of all the souls games, Demon has my favorite bosses. For bosses DeS>DaS>DaS2
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Everyone says DeS had super ultra perfect level design, but some of them were just awful. Stonefang 2, Shrine of Storms 1, and (as short as it was) Tower of Latria 3 come to mind.
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>>284720530
How is this related to people saying that DaS is better?
Can't you just accept that some people prefer other game without "ad logicam"?
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>>284718945
>die at a boss
>in fucking Demon's Souls
Really?
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>>284718551

The fact the Demon's Souls was actually complete.

Sure there was that last archstone that never got finished, but at least they didn't force a mediocre mandatory area like Lost Izalith on you.
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>>284721139
>easier
That is so subjective it isn't even worth bringing up.
>shorter
Yes.
>buggier
Nigga what? Maybe pre-patch it was bad but right now it's pretty good in that regard. And even if you are talking pre-patch, DaS was fucking terrible before patches came.
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>>284721459
>RRAAAAAAAAAARGH
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>>284721290
>Lost Izalith is the literal birthplace of all demons
>Lava is an imperfect form of fire and originates from Chaos itself, as do Demons
>waaaaaah why are there so many demons here

The Capra and Taurus Demon boss fights were larger, anyway. The ones in Demon Ruins are Minor demons. It's just a neat way for a player to show progress. "Remember that boss you fought a while ago? Well now you can kill five of them!"
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>>284721475
x-3 are not really a level, besides1-3, its just the devs being nice and letting you do the archdemon faster if you die
though they were dicks in 3-3
Two fucking red phantoms that have range attacks in a god damn corridor
fuck that
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>>284718551
because you're hipster trash.
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>>284721281

This.

PvP was actually intense and fast in Demon's Souls, compare that shit with Dark Souls 2's snail combat and you'd see why people loved Demon's Souls so much more.
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>>284721290
Lava is held above Lost Izalith with magic to prevent it from flooding (which is why tree slut isn't just a pile of ash).
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>>284721537
>Implying you didn't die like a bitch to Armored Spider with a melee character
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>>284718551
Being PS3 exclusive, of course.
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>>284721817

>Well now you can kill five of them!
>it's okay when A team does it
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>>284721864
DeS combat in general is much faster
also DeS has pixel perfect hit boxes, making the combat more fun because you can do some crazy shit using the animations to dodge and block
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>>284721146
Lautrec is better

yurt has a shit va

kehehehe
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>tfw invading stonefang and boletaria using max upgraded health regen shield+scraping spear at a low soul level
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>>284721923

I loved that fight. That was the first boss where I had to adapt and plan for. It was fairly tough going in the first time.
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>>284721923
>hug the left wall
>roll under the fireballs
>roll sideways in the web shots
>block the swipe attack
>run away on the fire breath
rise and repeat and she will go down in a few minutes
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>>284721994

>mfw you used to be able to parry while rolling in dark souls 2

The only thing i loved about Dark Souls 2 combat was when the binocular boost glitch was still a thing, 2 people fighting with sonoculars was fun was fuck.
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lords of the fallen shits on all of these games
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>>284721817
>Well now you can kill five of them!
>even though they're just standing in the corner
>guarding a shitty spell
>i-it's not like we ran out of money and had to come up with something simple and challenging, b-baka...
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>>284722191

lol
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>>284721842
Not just a corridor, a tiny ass spiral staircase corridor with an enemy whose main weakness is backstabbing and the main strategy is staying far fucking away from them.

Then they made you watch a long-ass cutscene every time you die so you can watch an invaded get covered in a magical do rag.
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>>284721891
>it's maaaaagic
Anon...
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>>284721281
>snazzy
I tried
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>>284722341
You got a better explanation?
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>>284722426
are you for real?
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I don't think one was specifically better than the other in any particular way, I just think it's easier to latch onto the first one because it wasn't so popular. By the time Dark Souls was on the way they had already started the "IT'S SUPER HARD, PREPARE TO DIE!" marketing campaign that totally misses the entire point of the game. The game itself isn't THAT hard, it just makes you master the mechanics of the game. I think harsh is a better term.

Then the sequel went full retard by embracing the marketing department, actually being unfairly difficult at multiple points, putting a global death counter IN the game, etc.

Demon's Souls was good but it had its fair share of problems. PvP especially, a fight with an invader could go on for what felt like fucking hours.
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>>284718551
Boss diversity is the big thing for me. I also really liked Shrine of Storms more than any other souls loaction.
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>>284718551
IT WAS PS4 ONLY PS4 FOR THE WIN
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>>284722240
>guarding a shitty spell
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>>284722510
Only Vaati can explain things that make no sense, and I'm not him.
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>>284721991
Unlike B-Team, A-Team gave you the tools to lure them out one at a time. Aside from maybe two of the Taurus Demons, all of them can be fought one by one. DaS2 would have sent every goddamn one of them at you at a single moment in a tight corridor.

>>284722240
In a corner you can safely ignore if you want to. Guarding perhaps the best upgrade ember.

>>284722152
And how many times did you die trying to figure out its pattern the first time, dingus?
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>>284722336
the cut scene is for the two systems to sync
its not a bad implementation, just the phantoms are retarded, if it was just the human centipedes it would have been fine since they are easy to kill
but the phantoms can easily one shot kill most players if they use their stagger magic, and their soul arrow is quite damaging
that all is already annoying for the invaded but if you are the invader, and you are waiting for a duel, the host can die in the stairs and you get disconnected, no duel, nothing, enjoy the yellow scarf
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>>284718551
nostalgia goggles and sheep attitude till everybody accepts is as the common standard/knowledge happens all time and is nothing special
I bet the majority of the demon souls is better faction has not even played it
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I just like the world better.
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>>284718812
Basically this.
Both games are great.
I just prefer Dark Souls, perhaps because it did get a bit of media exposure, but not enough where I'm sick of the shit.
That and the characters are better .
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Storm Ruler is the best weapon in the game next to the dragon bone smasher

DeS PvP is almost ruined at times with grass munching
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>>284722634
kill yourself
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>>284722426
We need to get /fa/ in here for this Fashion Disaster, holy fuck.
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>>284722686
>how many times did you die before figuring out the pattern
like two, one for the range, and another for the close one
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>>284719167
Im just gonna assume everyone who praises the shit out of Latria are talking about Latria 2, because the 1st is one of the worst levels in the game.
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>>284722007
>Edgy waifufag who can only win solo against crippled women and otherwise has to form a gank squad to stand a chance against anyone else.
>doesn't even take care of his armor as if it was a cheeto cheese uncrusted t-shirt saying "I love my waifu", which it technically is.
>can't even fast roll
>Better than a professional assassin who is only in the area because a manly sounding woman paid him to kill everything in the nexus.
>he actually succeeds if you let him and he comes after you next
>can fast roll
nignogga I will fight you. Lautrec is far more hilarious to analyze though
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>>284722795
Meat Cleaver > DBS
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>>284722795
You meant to say Meat Cleaver. It's okay, we all make mistakes.
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>>284720819
Its because The Witch of Izalith attempted to recreate flame, fucked up, spewed lava everywhere and subsequently released horrifying creatures imbued with the chaos flame named demons.
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Maiden in Black is the ultimate Souls waifu, anyone else is small time.

Emmy is a close second, though.
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One of the biggest issue with DeS was the distinct lack of armor variety. Not only was armor divided along gender lines. each gender only had like six fucking armors to choose from.

The cool thing about DaS is that, 99% of the time, if you see an enemy using a weapon or set of armor, you can probably get it for yourself.
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>mfw currently doing a dex run in DaS with the furysword
This is literally the smexiest weapon in video game history.
It's also really good at killing things.
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