It's amazing how the PC gaming scene went from praising the 970, to bashing it.
Nvidia lost a fuckload of customers, trust, and money off .5gb. Something so small and cheap.
I wonder how this even happened. I actually think it might be stupidity over malice.
About damn time.
Lying about specs shouldn'y be okay just because the leading brand does it.
>I wonder how this even happened.
Because people want what is advertised and pay for and when something falls short of what is advertised then that's being dishonest.
A bakers dozen is 13 for a reason
>how the PC gaming scene went from praising the 970, to bashing it.
No ide about which community you're talking about.
But over in Europe, or at least germany, the shit was always bashed for false advertisement
Sadly the US press never gave much of a shit for some reason about it so the didn't reported as much about it
The lawsuit took long fucking enough tho.
Have another friendly reminder from /g/
R9 290 competes with the GTX 970, and utterly destroys the 780ti.
>It's amazing how the PC gaming scene went from praising the 970, to bashing it.
It took a while for people to figure it out since only a few games require up to 4 GB's of memory.
I changed by 270x for a 670 a while ago with a friend, and god damn do i love this thing.
But people seriously need to learn to stop buying and accepting overpriced products like nvidia cards..perfect example being Titan GPUs
>It's amazing how the PC gaming scene went from praising the 970, to bashing it.
I don't think anyone started bashing the 970 except for AMD shills. It's still a good card and If I was going to upgrade I would get it. The performance didn't change and it outperforms any card AMD has.
>more importantly, let's hope the nividafags will stop buying shitty overpriced GC when they can have the same quality or better with AMD
People will buy Nvidia graphics cards as long as they outperform AMD.
>I don't think anyone started bashing the 970 except for AMD shills
So... AMD Shills just bought 970's so they could sue it??? get fucking real m8
>it outperforms any card AMD has
ok, sure m8
no price drop before AMD's new cards hit the market.
Even then they won't discount it significantly. They never dropped the 780 and 780ti prices even when 290 and 290x were $100 cheaper.
Except many people don't know that non-reference factory OC'd cards easily outperform their reference counterparts and the competition. The Sapphire 290 can be OC'd to compete with a 980 and 290x, but it costs a lot less.
Are you seriously surprised that the operating system and a lot of processes that aren't games also need random-access memory? The 8GB is physically there and none of it is gimped compared to the rest.
I don't want to do it, I simply looked up the prices after reading your post, wondering what the best option would be for that money.
In an ideal situation, Nvidia issues a recall for the 970s and people get fully functioning 4GB replacements.
But in reality, Nvidia will most likely settle out of court and just issue a free Ubisoft game or rebate offer to 970 owners.
If you provide proof of purchase you can probably get some of your money back, and keep the card. AMD cucks are going to be mad as fuck when we're outperforming their 290s with practically free cards. Or just get the money from the settlement and buy a 980. You'd have to seriously be touched in the head to even consider going AMD this gen.
For the people who got the card and are now worried about it being shit or not. It's still a great card for 1080p. Anything else over that you're better off with AMD probably or a higher end nvidia if you still trust them
Not true, in a class action settlement the company has to reimburse the customers whatever the court orders them to pay. I got 20 dollars for owning a pair of vibrams five finger shoes because the court ruled they used false advertising by saying that free running had health benefits over traditional running shoes.
>PC gamers hype up the newest shiny toy that turns out to be a fucking mess and falls for the same marketing shit as console idiots.
Steam has literally reduced the PC gaming scene to console levels of retarded consumerism. Add to that the shitty "master race" superiority complex and you have really hit the button of the barrel.
Holy fuck this platform has become such a joke.
I'd love if I got some sort of reimbursment, but I feel like this lawsuit wont go anywhere. Theres always unusuable memory in shit like HDD's and ram, wouldn't Nvidia just make the same claim?
If I buy a 3.5 right now can I get in on the lawsuit?
I'm sure I could provide proof of purchase, though I won't hold my breath. The card still suits my needs but I don't like being misled. And no, I probably won't go AMD but that's because I have no experience with them and from all the reading I've done, I don't want inferior support for drivers and such.
>I don't think anyone started bashing the 970 except for AMD shills
>shill shill shill
I have one gtx970 and I'm bashing it all the time since the fucking scandal blow up, because it pissed me off!
>see goy, Nvidia is clearly the better option!
I have a question though. Deceptive marketing is legal because the law says that it's your own fault for not doing any research first before buying the product since it's just an advert. Doesn't that idea apply to this as well?
>mfw I got the gigabyte g1 windforce, the ONLY 970 with 4gb on the day the controversy came out
I know that feeling too well. The 970 is ridiculously overpriced compared to western markets.
Ironically, the 980 is much closer in price. I guess our faggot store owners just wanted a bigger slice from the 970 cake.
On the boxes of plenty of 970s, they specify the specifications of the the GPU alongside with whatever other gimmicks they throw in there. On product review sites, they also include the specifications of the GPU as well.
Later, it was found out and confirmed by Nvidia that the specifications were "incorrect" like the ROP, SMM, and TDP count but the 4GB fiasco was a intentional hardware compromise that Nvidia played dumb about until it people started figuring out that the card doesn't perform exactly like a 4GB card.
Nvidia may have corrected the specs on their website and on multiple product review pages, but they still mislead their consumers about their product and the evidence is still on the hundreds of thousands of 970 retail boxes out there and on plenty of website archives on the internet.
>AMD shills in here mad at Nvidia because they're cards are more expensive than AMD cards.
Of course they're going to be more expensive, Nvidia cards are more powerful and perform better than AMD cards. You don't see Intel selling their processors at lower prices than AMD processors. Intel has better processors so they can sell them at a higher price than AMD. People will pay more for quality and performance.
Now here's a real chart straight from Nvidia's website.
>difference of 5 degrees
>represented as almost double
The 290x has outperformed the 780, 780ti, the 970 and the 980.
No it doesn't. The 970 outperforms the 290x. The 980 is a league in its own right now. Currently AMD doesn't have a card that can math the 980's performance.
That is AMD's issue primarily, that they generate much heat, but in return give out good performance.
390x is going to have AIO watercooling loop as manufacterer standard cooling on the card.
Well, the thing is about consumer trust. Next time, when they're trying to sell a 8GB card for 4K, will it be really 8GB? Will it have something hidden that nobody will notice until months after having that card?
You do realize in terms of FPS on all the latest games, the 290x performs at same level as the 980, right?
The 980 has already been surpassed by AMD just updating it's drivers.
No, NVIDIA isn't even acknowledging the issue, they made a bullshit statement and they haven't even talk about the subject since. They aren't going to price drop shit because retards don't give a flying fuck and they keep buying their bullshit.
At this point PC GPU fanboys is just as cancerous as console war fanboys.
fuck you! you piece of shit
I have a gtx970 and mine starts to fuck up at 3gbvram and I have the low gpu issue
thanks to that it is just a slightly better gtx 580
I'm pretty sure its not a meme since its been proven to affect cards. I haven't pushed my G1 to the point of needing to use all 4gb though so I couldn't say if it would go past 3.5 but its an issue with the build of the chip.
I'm no nvidia shill I'm an AMD guy but a good few 970 cards came shipped with an architecture error that effectively only 3.5gb of vram can be used out of the 4. Most of the cards are not affected but people are rightly pissed off
Lords of the Fallen
Skyrim with extensive texture mods
Shadow of Mordor with Ultra texture quality
Pretty much any future AAA game for PC down the road
Got me a Tri-X OC 290 for 180 bucks. I'm god damned pleased going from a GTX 560 Ti which served me extremely well but it was time for it to retire, its VRAM just wasn't cutting it anymore.
please don't tell me this shit is official
None. The 3 fans remain at around the standard 20% which isn't audible over my regular desktop fans at the top of my case.
I've pushed it too and while it goes to like 60c you won't hear shit from it. Like it so far.
Dude, you wait one month specifically to buy secondhand 290x's for cheaper prices
Don't be retarded. Blowing your load now when many people will be selling their barely used cards very soon.
Only reference design 290s run hot as hell, they don't even sell those models anymore.
That one Tri-X 290 from Sapphire never breaks above 60 something degrees Celsius while gaming.
I had a HD7850 and last month I bought a 970 knowing the issue with them.
Niggas please. There are games out already that can and will utilize 4GB. Just wait for AMDs new line up and if those cards do not convince you you can still buy a 970.
You are the cancer killing PC gaming, for retards like you Nvidia thinks they can release any bullshit card for high prices and people will still buy it because they are fucking stupid and don't know better.
>GPU starts going past 85C
>mfw my old 4890 went to 95°C and it was fine
Step it up
The problem with amds new cards with the stacked ram is that they are all limited to 4GB. The first version of their stacked design on chip means that the card no longer has memory chips on the side like all older cards, so the core has to cool both the gpu/new ram.
If they go higher than 4gb then they will be forced to use older GDDR5 ram as HBR in 1.0 form can't do more than 4gb.
The new HBR ram is at 650 gbps, DDR5 is 200 gbps. What kind of effect that will have if they do go that route will remain to be seen.
>sell pc parts for a living
>still recommending 970 over everything
A huge step up for sure, the difference is massive.
When I played Metro Last Light with my 7850 I would average around 40fps on medium/high at 1080p.
After I upgraded to the 970 the average is closer to 50fps with physx and everything on high at 1080p.
Unless you're looking to get into 4k gaming currently or want to SLI your cards, then opt for the 970. Not shilling, just my personal experience.
My specs and you can see I'm bottlenecked by my CPU.
90°C is always the point where you should start to worry. People are fucking retarded when they worry that their GPUs reach mid 70°C temperatures. Its fucking normal if the cards are under heavy load
AMD cards do tend to run hotter than Nvidias though
Nvidia's reference Fermi cards were well known to reach nearly 100 degrees Celsius while under load.
Look at it.
No need to change out cooler, it's a hybrid.
Lets you plug in watercooling loop without having to replace the cooler with a custom one.
I did my research again when the news broke about the 3.5 issue. Over many users reviews on loads of different sites a lot of people still complain about dodgy amd drivers with quirks that haven't been fixed in a long time. I'm well aware nvidia has had some shitty drivers, but in my experience with them I haven't had any issues. Also I like them for the fact they release new game drivers almost straight away these days.
Costs about the same if you buy a third party waterblock and mount it yourself.
This way you get warranty on the card, and still manage to get sub 40 load temps. (assuming your loop isn't retarded or catered towards silence)
Get the 290x if you enjoy stuttering framerate. Your call.
>I'm in canada. The 290x here is $499 to $600 (the saphireX as mentioned is 599).
Wait for deals on newegg.ca, NCIX or tigerdirect.
There's a MSI Radeon R9 290X Gaming Twin Frozr IV for $349 on NCIX.ca right now.
>Tfw my R9 280x performs on par with a GTX 780 in Ryse
The great thing about everyone falling for Nvidia's shilling is that AMD's cards tend to drop in price as a result.
I was able to snag a nearly brand new R9 280x for only $130 last month.
>shit drivers, but they've outsourced improvements like Raptr, which then promptly got hacked and user data was stolen
Lots have been learned, don't trust a company that has no R&D, outsources simply software implementations of their own hardware, and just generally sucks dick.
Get the 970 if you enjoy having 0.0FPS once you go past 3.5GB of VRAM usage.
Too bad even with this AMD still isn't worth the BSOD and no drivers
Hah, you are me.
I was also thinking of upgrading to an fx-8350 since it is pretty cheap
I trust myself, I think the 970 will be alright, especially cause of what I'm used to.
I'll wait a month to check out the new amd cards, but it's looking like I'll go 970 anyway, 980 if I can
>Check GPU Temp
>Check CPU temp.
It's all good.
Wow yeah, pretty similar there.
I wouldn't bother with upgrading to another AMD CPU though.
For gaming and the price you'd be better of getting an i5-k. The bulldozer AMD CPU's are kind of overkill and the performance difference in gaming is quite large when compared to Intel.
It just means you'll have to swap out your mobo too though.
I can confirm this as well, people are desperate to sell off their cards once newer ones come. I feel bad for people who sold their perfectly working AMD and Nvidia cards just to buy a 970.
That shit sux I guess.
NOT EVERY FUCKING POST IS "SHILLING"
DOES IT REALLY MATTER WHAT FUCKING CARD YOU USE
USE THE ONE THAT GIVES YOU THE MOST PERFORMANCE AND EFFICIENCY, ONE THAT ISN'T FUCKING INHERENTLY BROKEN (SEE NOT ACTUALLY 4 GIGS AT WHATEVER FUCKING SPEED IT IS HOLY ASS)
IF YOU'RE USING A FUCKING CARD
THAT PERFORMS THE WAY YOU WANT TO
YOU ARE NOT A CUCK
YOU MAY BE AUTISTIC BUT YOU'RE NOT
CUCKPOSTERS FUCK OFF AND GO BACK TO NEOFAG/REDDIT/ASSMUNCHTOPIA WHEREVER THE FUCK YOU ORIGINATED
BECAUSE I DAMN SURE KNOW YOU DIDN'T FUCKING COME FROM /v/
GODDAMN I HATE YOU NIGGERS ps3 has no games
>4GB MEANS 4GB.
OH SHIIITT SOONNNNN!!! They're literally slapping nvidia across the face!!!!
The real crime here is people still playing modern western games
Instead of using 3,5 GB on the new Thief, use a fraction of that to play the older infinitely superior ones you tasteless idiots
Nah, it's insulated with 2lb polyurethane and all buttoned up cozy. Aside from the element and the fan switching on and off it's just about silent.
The video cards wouldn't function below 5C though, never could figure out what was going on. 10C was as cold as I could take them and keep the machine stable.
>tfw gaming is taxed so a new game is 85 smackacroos
>tfw canada is getting ass rammed by rampant uncontrolled immigration that replaces all labor and canadians are stuck only being hired part time
fucking traitors all of them.
Here are the numbers for Steam when it comes to resolutions.
BWAHAHAH!! look at this fucking nvidia shill, he's mad as fuck!!
By not requiring you to be ready for a liquid cooling setup.
I am going to laugh when some defective 390x units get out there and actually melt someone's PC. AMD shills would of course defend it the same way they defended Leafblower: The Video Card.
Dunno but it sucks. Built a desktop a year and a half ago or so
>GTX 660 3GB Gigabyte
>1080p Acer monitor
>gigabyte mobo, don't remember the model
>Razer Blackwidow keyboard I think
After shipping this fucking low-mid tier piece of shit cost me $1500 on newegg
>not playing modern games at ultra settings and then downsampling older games to 8k with your fancy pantsy GPU
That laugh. We are brothers.
Probably. No date on it sadly.
>Most Steam users use shit display resolutions
No big surprise, especially when the most played games on Steam can be played on a toaster.
Anybody have a list of the 2015 exclusives like this?
It keeps growing too
They don't skew the numbers, if you check the Steam Charts page you can see the game has been on a steady rise of players each month.
Then its not a top seller list.
I dont care what they do, they obviously 'cheat' with their own titles whenever they are around, so I don't really believe it.
HoN is quite literally the same thing today and has 100k.
Only Dota 2 and LoL came up with outrageous numbers and we both know that both companies falsify data.
You honestly legitimately don't believe that 1 million people play Dota 2 and over 15 million people play LoL?
You do realize that a fucking tournament for LoL literally filled up a stadium built for 500k+ people, right?
I only recently upgraded to a 1080p Monitor. Monitors are simply very low on the priorities for upgrades since the improvement is so minor outside of gaming and you actually gain more from having a second monitor
Considering both companies have been caught faking numbers before, yeah, I don't.
If you want to believe, based on information given to you by the very same companies, feel free
I agree that getting a second monitor is more effective for productivity, but when I went from 1920x1200 I was still very pleased with the increase of screen real estate and slightly higher pixel density. I tried going back to 1080p gaming on a 24 inch monitor again and it felt REALLY underwhelming, despite the higher framerates.
Also, when I'm working, I have more space everyhwere. A 4k monitor would be the shit though.
Is it really that good? What are the benefits over 1080p? Especially if you retain a 24" sized monitor (my opinion of the best sized monitor, anything else makes you have to move further back to take in the whole frame, lessening your view quality for the details,thus negating the point of having higher resolutions)
I have a 27"/1440p, and honestly I don't want to go back to 24"/1080p as my main monitor (I kept my old one as a secondary). More screen real estate and significantly more noticeable definition when gaming.
BUT, if you have a 1080p monitor right now, you're probably better of staying with it until one day 4k becomes a lot more affordable and manageable with 2016/2017 GPUs.
Just my personal thoughts.
Sapphire is generally one of the more reputable AMD manufacturers.
Which is great considering they also tend to have the best price/performance ratio.
Though MSI and Asus are also good.
Some brand have worse temperatures than other due to different cooling solutions they use.
Also, don't forget that some brands have worse coil whine than others.
Generally, Sapphire and MSI are good.