RTS Thread

I don't know why it is, but you are right op

Dont' know about you but I'm getting kind of hyped for Act of Aggression, Act of War and High Treason were pretty based
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/01/28/command-conquer-calculate-act-of-aggression/

>>283933560
I've lost hype for AoA after how hard Eugen fucked up wargame.

Also
>tfw atilla is the best TW game you have ever played but the setting is awful

Cybran Master Race

that's a strange way of saying Age of Empires III

>>283934459
Basically this

>>283934494
>aoe3
>good

HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH

I'm new to the RTS genre, what are some good RTS games to get into as a beginner?

The closest things I have played to an RTS is Dota 2 and Pikmin.

>>283934459
The only good thing Cybrans have is Monkeylords.

>>283934649

RUSE is basically an RTS with training wheels

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>>283934760
we heard you were talking shit bout cybran

>>283932510
Is breddy gud, but not enormously better than the other good stuff.

>Tiberian Sun
>Generals + Shockwave/RotR
>AoE2
>Total Annihilation
>Homeworld
>Men of War
>Company of Heroes
>Emperor: Battle for Dune

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>There will never be another CnC game

Least we got Rise of the Reds and other mods, right guys?

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sc2

>>283934459
>wanting stealth over glorious UEF shields

Remove Cybran

>>283935052
Most of the games listed are pretty basic in complexity (Homeworld, Men of War and Company of Heroes is the exceptions). The thing that, in my opinion, makes SupCom so good is the amount of options you have. For many RTS games it's very straight forward in how to play, it's basically hard-counter vs hard-counter.
For SupCom just about any strategy is viable and it all comes down to execution.

>>283934781
It looks boring, got anything else?

>>283935165
God I cant wait for the 1.85 release, and neither can my LAN group. I'm so fucking sick of DoomHammer and his useless streaming/casting.

And I love Hunter, he's done great work, but he REALLY needs to stop clearing his nose while on Mic. Or just stop co-commentating.

>>283935216
We just want our freedom, pls leave.

That's not rise of nations

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>>283934760
Talkin' shit 'bout my bricks will get you bricked

>tfw the devs of Etherium went silent

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1RxEi0ZSG4

>>283935569
Really? I actually had a slight hope for that.

>>283935435
God the sense of scale in SupCom was amazing. Makes me wonder why almost nobody tried something similar.

>>283935216
STOP OPPRESSING ME YOU PRIVILEGED CIS UAF SCUM

>>283935741
It was supposed to be released in January, but we haven't heard from the devs since.

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>>283935771
>Makes me wonder why almost nobody tried something similar.
Because first someone needs to make an RTS

>>283935370
It's funny how that mod looks more and more like Generals 2 than the actual thing EA planned to make.

Even after EA tried to rip off some of the things in that mod.

>>283935301
stick with your assfaggots kid

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>>283935526
Heard you talking shit like I wouldn't find out

>>283936168
>Even after EA tried to rip off some of the things in that mod.
Did they? What was it?

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>>283936179
okay, I will.
at least my assfaggots is still alive :^)

>>283936179
Nah he's correct. You showed him a slow-ass game.
But truth be told, we don't have a whole lot of RTS games to choose from, sadly.

why are fatboys so fucking cool but so shitty?

>>283932510
warcraft 3 the frozen throne you stupid bitch

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>>283936484
meanwhile the new epic rts grey goo has 315 in game

DEAD FUCKING GENRE

>>283936516
>Fatboy
>shitty
?

>>283934375

Eugen only fucked up Wargame because they basically ran out of ideas by Red Dragon so they just bloated the game.

>>283932510
supcom is probably the best as far as traditional rts's go, but when it comes to tactics men of war assault squad is my fav

>>283936643
Because it was a terrible game.
Seriously how hard is it to fucking innovate in this stupid industry. It brought just about nothing new to the table, nothing.
"Features" such as units being able to hunker down on top of towers was apparently something worth mentioning in the trailer like it was never seen before.
It basically fell short in every regard as it was extremely straightforward in your options on the battlefield just as your options were limited to boot.

It really shouldn't be possible in 2015 to make such a shitty game. I mad.

>>283936678
it got fucked hard if your opponent had any artillery or bombers or experimentals

>>283936643
>>283936484
Yeah man ASSFAGS are definitely better and more complex ;)

>>283936643
Because grey goo does suck. Just because it's the only RTS that came out in a while doesn't mean we should overlook all its flaws.

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>>283936957
Fatboy IS artillery. It's great for pelting lower tier experimentals like the Monkeylord it's not designed for full frontal attacks, it's support/siege.

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>>283936325
If I remember correctly, they had a European faction that was the most advanced faction out of all of them (which was their USA replacement) which had

>superweapon was a giant satellite network that called in a laser from space
>all their aircraft not needing to reload at the airfield just like rotr's europe faction
>mini version of the pandora that was their version of artillery
>their apc kind of looked like a sleeker version of the one from rotr but painted silver

They didn't rip off all of the things, but quite a few similarities.

Pic related, their mini-Pandora which was their artillery.

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>>283936978
Indeed, that's why Dota has the biggest prizepool when it comes to competitive Esports.

More than 10x the best RTS tournament prizepool in the world:
http://www.esportsearnings.com/tournaments

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What's the point of talking about League of Legends, Heroes of Newerth, other ASSFAGOTS games or even other genres, when there won't ever be a remotely as good game as Dota 2. I don't understand why you people bother arguing or having discussions about any other game, there won't be a game as comparably good as Dota 2 for another 5-10 years.

I'll put my credibility on the line here, and say that Dota 2 is the best game of all time. By "best game of all time", I refer to artistic and technical production, and gameplay design iteration (since Dota is arguably one of the most iterated upon computer game).

From a technological rendering standpoint, it's visuals may not be king, but the art assets, overall art direction, and particle effects are the best that I have ever seen. The most excellently, tastefully produced art that I have ever seen in a game.

The voice cast is the best I have ever heard, Dota 2 has Duke Nukem (Jon St. John), Cortana (Jen Taylor), Nathan Drake (Nolan North), the entire L4D cast, the entire Half-Life 2 cast, the entire Team Fortress 2 cast, and GlaDOS from Portal.

Let's actually get down to the gameplay. No two games I have ever played have felt similar to the point of feeling rote. Each and every hero in Dota 2 is distinctly different from another, offering a uniquely encapsulated experience with well-defined goals for every single playable character in Dota. Because every hero feels so profoundly unique, every game that I play of Dota 2 feels fundamentally different in a way that League of Legends is not able to reproduce.

I could go on, and on, but at this point I might as well just make a video essay. Also, I have some Dota to play. Dota 2 is seriously a game I could play ad-inifnitum, and never get tired of. Why bother with any other game?

Why speculate about other games in the genre, and other genres, when the best game ever made is already here?

>>283937302

Wow congrats on the money man
Maybe in 10 years the average dota progamer will make 30k a year.. oh wait nobody will play dota in 10 years rofl.

>>283935052
which men of war should i play? i have several but have never messed with them.

>>283937392

It's amazing because there are real people with tastes this bad.

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Anybody have any good SupCom images or webms? I want to pad out my folder.

>>283937464
mid tier twitch streamers already make 6 figures m8

of course that's only if they're not playing shit games from dead genres :)

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>>283937392
Here's your reply.

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>>283937620
I have a bunch of these.

The mechmarine in this one is resized to resemble an average human.

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>>283938004

>>283937532
Assault Squad 2 is best for multiplayer.

Rest are best for singleplayer.

>>283937230

Most of that stuff was in the original game. I don't really see that as ripping off.

>>283937126

>motherfucking cossacks

Based Russians.

Also, we need more sprite-based RTS games. Total War should never have gone 3D, imagine the fuckhuge battles you could have if they stuck with sprites.

>>283936957

Yeah, it's a support unit. You don't send it to the front without any sort of backup. The Fatboy is hands down one of the absolute strongest units in the game due to their versatility.

>>283932510
Planetary Annihilation is better than SupCom

>>283938004
Thanks man, appreciate it.

>>283938124
Got any megaliths?

>>283937532
men of war for campaign, if you like the campaign there are some expansions like red tide

assault squad 2 for mp, its the same as assault squad 1 with some improvements but they felt the need to make a new game

>>283937532
All.

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>>283938382
Not ingame, but I've got this.

>>283938320
Please don't mention it. I'm still mad.

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Kind of want to edit this to include various other RTS in both categories.

>>283936486

There are several new RTS games being released, but none of them have triple A budgets or team sizes.

>>283934649
RUSE is the most watered-down. Then in creeping difficulty:

>Supreme Gaymander 1
>Old C&C series up to generals
>AOE 2
>Company of Heroes
>Wargame series up to RD (RD is still good despite taking shit in the face)

>>283938486
I backed it for $50 like a goddamn moron.

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Survival games get cray cray.

>>283938579
I pre-ordered it after taking advice regarding the gameplay from a classmate. I later learned he was a god-damn casual.

>>283938509
Whats wrong with BFME2? i loved it. One as well. both were actually really fun games.

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>>283938609

I would pay some serious money for a World in Conflict 2..or even a ground control 3.

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>>283938616
>all those experimentals

>>283938509

Connect Men of War to the Wargame series for people who don't want base-building but also don't want the huge scale of Wargame.

>>283935052
>MoW
>RTS

>>283938509

>CoH2
>SC2
>irredeemable filth

They're great games though.

>>283938698

Don't know, personally I liked the first one more due to the resource and building management.

>>283938762

>world in conflict 2

Wargame is basically WiC2, albeit with a worse campaign. The latest game is pretty damn good.

>ground control 3

You and me both.

>>283938832

Men of War is a RTS.

>>283938509
What the fuck is Command and Conquer 4?

There's no such thing.

>>283938931
>>CoH2
>>SC2
>>irredeemable filth

They are shit when compared to their predecessors.

>>283938692
after pre ordering for $50, I played the beta. once. and I havent played it agian. I just cant bring myself to boot it up. maybe I should give it a go but i get mad thinking about that 50 every time i consider starting it up

>>283938931
>Men of War

It's RTT like Wargame

>>283939112
That's right. COH2 is filth and a shell of what COH once was.

>sank 2,000+ hours in COH
>sees COH2 with DLC spamming
NIET!

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>>283936943
>Seriously how hard is it to fucking innovate in this stupid industry.


Oy vey

I've been playing offworld trading company and it's a RTS but very very different from the norm, you're basically a jew trying jew people out of business

>>283939236
>splitting hairs

Hey guys, what about Earth 2150

>>283939081

Was fun in multiplayer, I was in the beta. They should have made it a spinoff like Renegade and not treat it like the final game in the Kane saga.

>>283939112

>They are shit when compared to their predecessors.

I strongly disagree, CoH2 is practically identical to the first game, the only difference is that it runs like shit despite looking the same.

SC2 did nothing inherently new to franchise aside from introducing new kind of mineral and some capturable structures, but it has extremely solid gameplay and is arguably better than the first game.

>>283939404
Yes please. And give me a new KKND while you at it.

>>283939297
where is your army?

>>283939404
>not Empire Earth

faggottttttttttttttttt

>>283939112
Sc2 might still have a chance with Legacy of the Void coming up, might actually see force-fields getting rightfully blasted.

>>283939129
I tried to love it, I really did. But the controls are just iffy and the camera-work is seriously confusing. Not to mention that plannetary-war has some serious issues where you'll more often than not end up fighting a commander with superior tech that just slams you while you have no response to it.

So stupid.

>>283939297
Looks okay, how's the gameplay though? Can I skip the jewing and just go 3rd reich?

>>283939491
where are the jews who controls the world, goy?

you can buy pirates to do your dirty work as a false flag operation

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>>283939297
>early access

>>283938509
Need to add Battle Realms and Submarine Titans, also remove C&C3's mark of a "black sheep".

>>283939297

I've been thinking of getting that, I'm a sucker for comfy management games.

>>283939129

Same here, although I only donated 15 bucks or so. I've tried the game once, and then quit after like 20 minutes.

The whole round map thing feels weird, and it doesn't feel like the game rewards tactical choices, instead relying mostly on "APM" like SC.

>>283939540
>Looks okay, how's the gameplay though? Can I skip the jewing and just go 3rd reich?

It's a real time strategy game where you place down factories to out-produce your opponents and/or crash the market or disable their buildings so they go into debt

It's a really different type of RTS, there is no direct destruction of your opponent, you just buy him out like a true juden

>>283939730

> also remove C&C3's mark of a "black sheep".

Yeah, C&C3 was a example of how a sequel should be done.

Also, DoW2 is far from a bad game, and I don't why the anon who did that chart think of it as a black sheep.

>>283939752
>>283939632
http://kickass.to/offworld-trading-company-v0-0-4703-early-access-t10220985.html

BOY THAT WAS HARD

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>mfw Homeworld Remastered comes out in less than two weeks

Cannot wait.

>>283939935
current patch is v0.0.4816 for comparison, latest version fixed some graphical problems like overheating, it's a true early access game, hold off with purchase

>>283938509
How is AoE2 comfy

that game requires more clicking than fucking starcraft

>>283940069
I am monitoring that game because it's like a semi-watered down version of Capitalism 2 for me.

>>283939929
Because it's not DoW 1 with better graphics

>>283939929
>Yeah, C&C3 was a example of how a sequel should be done.
That's a bit too much of a praise, Tiberium Wars is a solid entry, but some issues push it back.

Also, what about adding some good mods/bastard standalone projects that worth the time?

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>>283939912
Might keep it in my scope then. Thanks Chaim.

>>283940240

CoH2 and SC2 are identical to their previous games with just better graphics and they get shat on all the time.

>>283940019

>hear gearbox buys homeworld
>"aww shit"
>they release a trailer
>"aww shit dis gun b bad"
>it's everything I've hoped for

Jesus fucking Christ the new editions looks fucking beautiful.

What exactly is good about Supreme Commander besides "omg epic big map"?

>>283940441
that's because they put in charge the original makers of the games

>>283940441
Did you check out the video where they were showing off how the ion cannon beams were lighting up everything they passed nearby, instead of just being source lights? Shit was gorgeous.

>>283940550
You feel like a commander and not just a retard sitting at a computer pressing mouse buttons.

>>283940550
the big battles? the many different units? the nuke plays?

>>283940441
>CoH2 and SC2 are identical to their previous games with just better graphics
CoH2 is just shitty excuse for a sequel, if you really want CoH with USSR in it, then simply get the first one and install that free mode which adds another german division + red army.

>>283940550
large variety of units/buildings and playstyles, ofcourse the scale doesnt hurt

>>283940735
>what's EF mod

>>283940550
Mass production of units.
Many viable strategies and not being locked into one strategy.

>>283940550
The huge array of options at your disposal.

Listen to Gyle.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9i0CoM9ymY

>>283940550

Large scale, less emphasis on APM, good setting, great eyecandy.

Would be fun with some more macro commands though, like blueprints or something so you can instantly queue up a entire factory with power generators and shit.

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Anyone played this? It's an RTS with a limited amount of units that can die for good. They build your base and research your technology but do not necessarily fight.

You can have them drive vehicles, but even then they are vulnerable to getting shot through the windshield. You can have them control vehicles remotely from your base at the cost of lower performance, or just have vehicles controlled by computers that can barely aim.

It's really cleverly designed.

>>283940840
That's already possible.

>>283940840
im pretty sure there are blueprints, but I forget how to use them

>>283940883
I did, the setting is awesome

Speaking of SupCom, is the second one any good? I know it's worse but is it still okay? It's on the humble bundle and I was a little curious.

>>283941005
For $1 you will never go wrong.

Is Sins of a Solar Empire the trve patrician RTS I've heard it is? I have it installed, but I haven't played it.

>>283941005
I think it might be better for online play, campaign isn't really good though.

>>283941005
The second one is just a noname rts in cramped maps.

>>283934459
>tfw like the UEF's visual design the most but they have the shittiest experimentals
I want giant robots dammit

>>283941067
I think it's a very, very, very high quality game. My only issue with it is that it has no campaign, and I'm a campaign guy. I give almost zero shit for online play. But it's a good, quality game. I enjoy zooming on a planet and seeing all the traffic, and then watching siege ships bombard it from orbit.

>>283941005

It's still a solid game, and it does a few things right, like making fewer buildings but making them upgradable and so on.

But goddamn if it isn't designed for consoles.

How on earth did this genre die? Or is 'dead' an exaggeration?
I don't know anything about moba's - are they just a streamlined type of RTS?

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This better?

Whats the state of planetary annihilation?

Have they fixed all the shit yet?

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Sorry OP what was that?

>>283941401
>Warcraft 3
>not black sheep

Reddit. please-

>>283941389
The genre didn't die. People just got more stupid as a result of diluted gameplay over time.

>>283941389
Mobas are multiplayer tower defense games where you control 1 unit. Its not the same as controlling an army.

And RTS isnt dead. It's just that the biggest one (Starcraft) has gone full retard with micro management.

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>>283941401
>I am le asspained because le starcraft 2 is popular

>>283941389

As I see it the problem with RTS is that it tried to cater to 3 different kinds of people.

1. Those who want economy management, slow methodical gameplay and such.
2. Those who want fast esports 300 APM shit
3. Grognards who just want military porn and don't care about anything else.

Since the golden age of RTS (the 90's) we've seen the rise of 3 different genres to appeal to those 3 kinds of players. 1) got 4X and city builders, 2) got MOBAs and 3) got RTTs a-la Wargame and Matrix stuff.

Seriously, look at the number of 4X games coming out nowadays, it's ridiculous.

>>283941401
Needs more "one hit wonders", also it would've been nice to point out the Elite mod for DoW 2.

>>283941518
Zeus, Isis, Oranos and Loki players can fuck the right off.

Odin master race

Any tips for someone who is just interested in beating the campaign (SC, not FA)?

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>>283935435
So i own SupCom2 but havent really played it. Im terrible with Micro and it looks kinda intimidating to get into. Any recommended guides? also are there any xpacs to go with it i should pick up?

>>283941389
Market grew, and not enough people bought RTS games. Developers tried to change the formula to appear to a larger audience, and turned it to RTT, and then lost both the core player base and failed to appeal to the new, larger audience. The genre then died. Others tried to put all the weight on online play rather than the traditional campaign mode and went full E-sports or failed at it and sank.

>>283934649
Warcraft 3 and Red Alert 3. Comfy and simple.

>>283937230
>superweapon was a giant satellite network that called in a laser from space

RotR didn't invent this, this is pretty much classic C&C stuff, not to mention is basically the US SW in Generals

>mini version of the pandora that was their version of artillery

RotR didn't invent railgun artillery

>their apc kind of looked like a sleeker version of the one from rotr but painted silver

Probably based in the same vehicle

I give you the aircraft though, but i think you are looking to much into generic stuff

>>283941389
RTS has always had a small focused userbase. In the past the whole game market was considerably smaller so in comparison RTS was not that bad off. Now that games have a much larger budget on average, it's not profitable to make such games for a small, even if very loyal, userbase.

>>283941389

It's not a "dead" genre. It doesn't get as much attention as FPS games, but it sure as hell is not dead.

MOBA is a genre all on its own.

>>283941548

>People just got more stupid as a result of diluted gameplay over time.

Eh, no. Adventure games used to be the shit, but now they barely get any attention at all. The gaming audience has constantly expanded since the 80s and 90s, it's obvious that some genres will be left in the dust.

>>283941067
It's more of a simplified 4x game in real time than a traditional RTS. Multiplayer is ded and singleplayer is skirmish only so it gets pretty repetitive

but do check it out if you've never played it

I can't handle the shitty pixels in SupCom 1 and 2.

Either forced to zoom in the closest or live with everything looking like shit.

>>283941909
>it's not profitable to make such games for a small, even if very loyal, userbase.
Hi Crytek, how it's going with your new epic userbase ?

How is Company of Heroes 2? I played the first and liked it, but people have told me Men of War is better. Honestly MoW looks like a cheap CoH.

Universe at War's soundtrack was awesome.

>>283942029
>He plays RTS for the graphics

>>283942029
What?

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>>283941678

>it's popular, so it's must be good!

jesus, Cowwadoty audience is getting fucking everywhere

>>283932510
Because you''re too casual to play fast paced RTS games where you actually need to react and think quickly so you prefer to play slow paced casual games like SupCom where you can just spam billions of units and just send them pointlessly to their death with no consideration of tactics.

>>283942097
Shit. Shit to the max. Do not buy the game unless it's on sale for $5.

>>283942097

Like CoH1 but with even more bias towards the Axis

>"Sorry guys, heavy tanks are German meta :^)"

>>283938509
>AOM
>Not comfy

Prostagma?

>>283941684
>Seriously, look at the number of 4X games coming out nowadays, it's ridiculous.

Too bad majority of them is a waste of hdd space.

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>>283942184
You have the rights to dislike Starcraft 2 if you want, but put it on the same as C&C4 and as a below shit tier is retarded.

>>283942105

>someone on /v/ actually played UaW

Fuck the haters, I thought it was fun as fuck.

>>283941401
why only BFME2 and not the first one? Single player on 1 was awesome
as i understand, the bfme games can never be sold again

>>283942401
Many played it on /v/, it was just a flawed game. I liked it a lot, but it was frustrating with the console UI, and the Masari being robbed of a proper campaign.

>These resources are.. lucrative

>>283941764
You know how you get objectives? Ignore them. Build up a shitton of static defense, shield generators etc. Then queue a bunch of mass fabricators and power plants and alttab for 15 minutes. Then queue a bunch of experimentals and alttab for 30 minutes. Then get back in the game and stomp the whole map. Repeat on every mission.

I hope Rise of Nations EE goes on sale sometime soon, my friends won't buy it until then.

Speaking of sales, do the total war games typically go on sale? I want to get Rome and Shogun 2

Supreme Commander has no infantry.

>>283936643
If I wanted to play Earth 2160 I would play Earth 2160.

>>283942637
Sometimes. I got my TW fix from HB store. Also use isthereanydeal.com to trace.

>mfw Empire + Napoleon for $7 bong bucks

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>>283941761

Everyone knows Loki was most OP and easily the most played race.

Fuck off Chronus and Oranos also, fucking fegs.

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>>283940802
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s9i0CoM9ymY

holy FUCK i love watching these supcom games

>>283942716
no you see it's improved because there's one less faction and you can't customize your units

>>283942268
The Germans did have good tanks, though.

>>283934760
Com has chest lazor that is only out powered by nukes/missiles.

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>>283942520
>bfme games can never be sold again

what?
why?
WHY???

>>283938509

SCII only became shit post WoL.

>>283942787
wut? turtle isis is easily the most bullshit

>>283942520
they cant be? why?! what if i want to replace my old disk? :(

>>283942380
I hate that they made zerglings feel like insects instead of vicious raptors like in starcraft 1.

>>283942620
So, turtle?

Will do.

also i don't know if you know but pressing "+" on the numpad increases ingame time to up to 10 times

>>283942056
Crytek is retarded, as their most commonly used genre is FPS - a genre with a much lower barrier of entry than an RTS.

If they just kept making good looking PC FPS games, they'd win over a lot of people just by word of mouth.

RTS does not gain as many people as it not only requires the dexterity comparable to that of an FPS, it requires a great amount of strategic thinking and constant decision-making.

i.e. something the average schmuck does not possess or wish to bother with.

>>283941401
>Added RotR
Mah nigga.

>>283942967
EA no longer owns TLOTR license

>>283942268
If you don't win early game with allies in the beginning you are doing something very wrong.
OKW is overpowered, but the Ostheer is underpowered.

>>283940606

>check out the pax south video
>dem beams

GET

FUCKING

HYPED

>>283943032
my computer could never handle it

>>283941401
supcom 2 should be in irredeemable shit tier

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Anyone wanna play AoE 2 on Steam?

>>283943041
Same with gestion game such as Sim City and Roller Coaster Tycoon (millions and millions units sold).
Yet...

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>>283942149
Yes in this case I do.

If I can't see a whole army without seeing every pixel on small units.

And these fucking unit pictures or whatever in red square in pic related.
Am I supposed to see what it is.

>>283942810
>blue comes back and snipes Red's CO
HA

>>283943224
Those are not RTS games. They do not place great strain and tension on the player to make split-second decisions that could decide an entire match.

You're comparing OpenTTD with Starcraft.

>>283943212
This. I bought that shit at full price because SupCom. All I got was disappointment.

>>283942810
Played enough supcom to know that was a quality battle

>>283943365
AND THE FUCKING INTERFACE/HUD
ALMOST COVERS HALF THE SCREEN.

>>283935216
>not being UEF for the GOAT artillery

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>>283938295
>Based Russians.
Ukrainians, same guys that made S.T.A.L.K.E.R.
And apparently, they're back in business
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2014-12-10-its-a-hard-time-for-ukraine-but-a-good-time-to-be-a-proud-ukrainian
>"You've got a new, unannounced game in the works. The market is very different to what it was four years ago, have you been tempted to change with it and try free-to-play or mobile development?"
>"We're pretty sure about our fans. The market we're in is quite old fashioned: they're not 16 year olds, they're 25-40 years old. We don't think free-to-play is the right model for the game we want to make"
based Slavs

>>283943153

>no Rise of Legends

kill yourself

Homeworld, Dawn of War 3, Act od Aggression, Etherium.

Surely one of these will save the day.

>>283944317
>Dawn of War 3,

>armies in 1
>squads in 2
>control a single person in 3?

>>283944120
Well there's still the "Perimeter" series from russians, the ones that made Vangers and supposedly both rts games are prequel to that mindfuckery, although I barely played them, there was some neat terraforming mechanic.

>>283944408
It would be pretty cool if you could play as an inquisitor, like in Dragon Age.

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>>283944408

>>283944408
>Dawn of War 3 becomes an ASSFAGGOTS game
It's going to happen, they were already trying it in 2.

>>283944814
That would be good but I doubt video game writers are skilled enough to pull it off right.

>>283944891
They said they wanted to make 3 a large scale game again. But then they pulled the plug.

>>283944891
You mean the base game or Last Stand?

>>283944891
>ASSFAGGOTS

I was thinking the other day, are the Dynasty Warriors games ASSFAGGOTS?

>>283945062
yea

>>283944891
>omg OMG LE ASSFAGGOTS HERE AND HERE!
>IT'S EVERYWHERE! WAAAGHHHH!

>>283945031
Last stand was great. Very addictive. If only the players werent pure shit.

>>283945062
No, they're Musou, it's his own genre

>>283944408

From what I've read in a few interviews DoW3 was to have certain elements similar to Total War, or to make the game more like the Armgageddon ruleset. Don't quote me though, I don't think that article was legit.

>>283944850

I, for one, fucking loved Space Marine.

>>283944891

They were making it more similar to CoH, and one of the complaints among the original game was that there was too much basebuilding.

>>283944891
Last Stand was a pretty nice side thing, if only it had more content and proper balance.

>>283943041
>a genre with a much lower barrier of entry than an RTS.
my 12yo niece finished Warcraft 3 in a week, and the only PC game she played before was Minecraft, so I'm not so sure about barrier beign so high.

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>>283938509
C&C mods "section" could be expanded with these.

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>>283945232
>too much basebuilding.

>>283945431
>red alert 3 hates modders
>yet there's a mod for tiberium wars which uses the same engine

What

>>283945337
heh now that I think of it I finished WC3 as a 12 year old myself

>>283945640
For some reason Red Alert 3 has more limitations when it comes to the most basic of things modders want to change.

>>283945337
You have a great niece.

It's not so much a raw skill barrier as it is a mental barrier. Anyone can pick up an FPS and learn the mechanics in a short amount of time. Picking up an RTS requires a greater investment to become good and learn the mechanics.

There's also the preconception that RTS games are just APM spamfests, as indicated by pro SC2 players. It's far from the truth, but even such small preconceptions can turn a lot of people away from a game.

Since your niece most likely went in with an open mind, she had a far easier time getting into the game.

>>283945431
I remember trying Mental Omega and loving certain parts of it, but it's really fucking hard

>>283934375
Airland battle and RUSE are my favourite modern was rts are

>>283945846
That's an incredibly dick move from EA.

>>283946263
pretty much all RTS games are APM spamfests if you want to get good, even if you can use blueprints in supcom you're still fighting over mass deposits, controlling your aircraft and reclaiming stuff at the same time

trying to remove apm requirements leads to removing basebuilding and then into assfaggots territory

>>283938509
Im ok with this list
maybe except of m-muh tolkien that i liked

>>283943153
You forgot Sins of a Solar Empire in the sci-fi section.

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Why do people play black forest in AoE
turtle for 30 minutes then who spamms a gazillion units wins

>>283941780
here's a tip: get rid of SupCom2 because its shit
get SupCom or Forged Alliance and have fun.

>>283944120
ukrainians or russians, we all know that in some time they will be the same anyway

>>283932510
Because it's a shitty copy paste of total annihilation with expansion packs and has literally zero innovation? Hmm I guess that might be it.

>>283947240
because autistic no rush 40 minutes games are "comfy" for casual scum aka /v/

So is Grey Goo worth playing? I've been on the fence about buying it since it's so damn expensive and apparently the playerbase is small.

>>283947959
No.

>>283947959
if rts dies in a month, its usually shit

>>283947959
Yes.

>>283947959
online doesn't even work

>>283947081
what we need is for RTSs with singleplayer focus to make it back. Competetive multiplayer focus is what degraded gameplay to what it is now.

>>283938509
>CoH2 in the shadow realm
it's better than coh1 though.

>>283948308
>>283948131
>>283948048
Guess i'l pass on it for a while then. Can you recommend any good RTS games that are like C&C that are still alive?

indeed

>>283948352
Its good game that has great potential. But it feels like Relic isnt trying

>>283938509
Whats wrong with Planetary Annihilation?

>>283948450
Starcraft 2

>>283935216
lel turtle noob

>>283948450
supcom:fa?
I heard there are many players on some mod there
its still in my backlog tho

>>283948474
WFA was a great addition, but ardennes assault was bullshit. why put all the effort into a single player campaign in a game where the majority of players are playing multiplayer? I'm still holding out hope for more factions, though. saw some pictures of the game files with mentions of the british.

>>283948450
there is only one rts that's alive and it's sc2

I'm sorry.

>>283941780
play supcom FA. it isnt micro based. one o fhte top players has around 60 apm. in chill mode it's probably lime half that

>>283934760
cybrans are totally op

>>283938509
This is absolutely shit

I just want a Sup Com remake that's properly optimized.

Fucking 1 core bullshit, even with 3rd party programs it can start to crawl.

>>283948697
They said something on stream that they are working on 2 more factions, i dont know anything more tho that one of them are confirmed brits

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> still no battle realms 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Ay50W8LwEw

>>283932510
There was this one RTS I forgot the name of. It was like Starcraft but better and more indie. The game got discontinued and there was an entire scene which reverse engineered the game and continued development or something. I remember you could like mount any player or machine and you could just operate it first person.

Man, that was the best RTS I ever played. You could like jump in a robot and run around the map shooting. Often you could have like an entry level machine and if you were good at operating it, jump through the entire defense and destroy entire buildings. Unless the opponent mounted one of his machines, you were just fighting the AI of his defense.

>>283948450

Dawn of War series. It's surprisingly difficult to kill this series for some reason.

>>283948854
>They said something on stream that they are working on 2 more factions
did they? got a link to a video of that or something?

>yfw people want to tell you the ilshavoh isn't OP
come on, it's like an obsidian with more total hp, more range and less overkill

>>283948537
>>283948705
Havnt played sc2 yet, but heared it's not that good. I'l check it out if i cant find anything better.
>>283948659
Thanks. Steam chart shows 500 people online, so it must be still alive.

I'm sure there are some faf people here so do you think too that since ZeP left nothing happened and visionik is far to passive and doesn't get shit done?

>>283948918
Nope, i will go to some stream sand ask people, maybe someone will have it, then i will post here

>>283943850
This is much improved in FA
I think you can toggle between alternative interfaces with alt+arrow keys or something though

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Updated RTS Guide, still needs work.

But the Supreme Commander is merely a tech demo.

"Wow, look at how many units there are on the screen!" is the only think people ever say about this game.

>>283949140
coh2 is still pretty alive. good rts if you're down with WWII
>>283949170
thanks man

>>283949240
only people that don't really play it say that

>>283949225
Should add Star Wars Empire at War.

>>283944158
rise of legends is trash

WHERE'S MY RoN 2 GODDAMNIT RIP BIGHUGE

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BFME3 when?

Getting my ass kicked in Ultimate Apocalypse for DoW. Guard just has way too much fucking micro for one non-gook to handle. Still excited for the next release when Demons and Witchhunters get back into the game again ffs.

>>283949274
Nope, cant find anything that wouldnt be fanbase concepts about new factions in coh2.
We propably need to wait for their next stream and try to ask then

>>283949225

Get rid of those Black Sheep lines, they don't add anything.

Also, get rid of the Shadow Realm section. It's pointless.

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itsssss
its pretty okay

>>283940550
Being the only RTS with actual strategy aside Cossack

>>283948575
>UEF
>turtle noob

You better shut your whore mouth before I ram some Bulwarks up your ass.

>>283950046

EA doesn't have the LotR rights anymore, so pretty much never.

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>>283950180
ayy

>>283950469
Seriously what's so bad about Planetary Annihilation?

It's fun

>>283950469
I liked it, but Empire at War was bad.

>>283950469
Where does Grey Goo go?

>>283950469
you could add Sword of the Stars next to solar empire

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>>283939236
And RTT is a subgenre of RTS
Do you legitimately have autism?
>yeah men of war is a good RTS
>NUH UH, ITS NOT AN RTS
I bet you say "the sky" when someone asks you what's up

>>283950595
It's bland and half-assed.

And seriously. Who thought it was a good idea to have orbital-transporters carry 1 unit with no way to mass-pickup units.
Every single time I want to do some planet-invasion I have to do the same tedious task with each fucking unit. Where's the ferry-abillity?

Many of the issues have already been adressed in the thread though, but that is probably what makes my ass hurt the most.

>tfw actually like CoH2

>>283950903

>I bet you say "the sky" when someone asks you what's up

No, but if I tell you, would you sit on it?

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>>283950650
>>283950651

>>283932510
if it's so good why is it dead

>>283951101
Good riddance.

>>283951104
Because it's community based and not everyone knows about SupCom:FAF?

>>283951101
Add "b-but muh Star Wars" to SW EaW, it was mediocre as fuck.

>>283947959
Nope

>>283951241
Those space battles tho

>>283949225
Why is StarCraft 2 down there? Because it's new?

>>283951104
There's FAF, so it's definitely not dead.

>>283939297
This game is pretty fun

>>283951101
We need one of these for space sims. I'd make one myself if I wasn't shit at photo editing. Would this be feasible in GIMP?

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I want to have sex with this game

>>283951214
>>283951569
>need to install bloatware to even play online

>>283951104
Because GPG screwed it over by not fixing balance or bugs and catering to muh casual audience with SupCom 2.

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>>283951568
because /v/ went online and lost all his workers to the scouting stalker

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>>283951241
Fuck you ;_;
I love it

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>>283951101
>UaW:EA recommended
>Grey Goo in the Shadow Realm
It improved upon everything though.

>>283951726
>wanting an imbalanced game

Developers are usually shit at balancing their own games, it's hillarious in a sense.

But good on you being part of the problem.

>>283941473
Still trash

>>283951632
I'm just using MS Paint.

>tfw wanted PA to be good so badly I bought it

>there will never be another good Red Alert game
>there will never be a proper AoE sequel
>there will never be another warcraft style fantasy RTS

;_; help

>>283951917
I don't actually own SC. I'm thinking of buying FA, but because I know that the only way to get answers on /v/ is by posting bait, that's what I'm doing.

>>283951726
A Qt UI on top of some python networking code doesn't compare to things like Origin or Steam. Also, you get community patches and matchmaking that doesn't suck.

>>283952041
Except everyone has been pretty helpful in this thread. Leave your shitposting at the door next time.

And yes, SupCom and SupCom:FA is worth the money - plus you get the bonus of free content/balance updates through FAF.

>>283948883
>tfw no one knows

>>283932510
> tfw I don't like it only because units don't have lines when you interact with them

>>283951632
>>283952034

Yeah, Paint works just as fine.

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>>283951101
Should add Empire Earth
That one is comfy as fuck.

>>283951104
not dead you fag

>>283952194
I didn't actually read the thread.

>>283952194
How micro intensive is it?
Seems like a clusterfuck from all the webms I've seen.

>>283934494
seems like you have a broken I key there anon

>>283951726
faf is great and has 1000 player peaks although i think it went from a phase of growth to a player base getting smaller and smaller in the last half year

>>283952313
>not basking in the fact that they're just AI controlled slabs of metal that don't give a shit if you send them to their deaths

>>283952321
reminder comfy = casual

>>283952445
you can queue commands easily and if you dont' go tryhard mode you can play it pretty chilled

>>283938308
DAMN FUTURE. YOU SCARY!

>>283952445
Not much. If you watch replays of pros on larger maps, you'll notice they only micro where it's absolutely vital, there's too much stuff everywhere to micro every single thing. They queue orders, leave units to do their job and go elsewhere.
Ecoing and spam on large maps is exhausting, though. That's why teamgames are so popular.

>>283952445
Depends on the level you play at. If you intend on playing matchmaking and whatnot you'll probably lose a lot, but since it's rating-based you'll meet players of similar skill eventually.
The singleplayer (and multiplayer if players agree to it) has adjustable game-speed, so if it's too fast for you, you can just turn the speed down. (or up if you're in a hurry).

>>283951632
>>283952034
>>283952316
Okay. Getting started now.

>>283952559
Not that anon, but I found TA units "voices" to be quite charming and quirky

Also let's not forget you could make them hum a song instead of the mechanical sounds with a cheat

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>>283952321
Here you go!

>>283952963

Don't make sections like Shit Tier or anything like that. It only starts shitposting.

>>283932510
that's not WC3 you massive faggot.

its like you dont even know what an RTS is

>>283953104
wc3 is fucking shit
kill yourself

>>283951101
Grey Goo wasn't that bad.
It definitely doesn't deserve to be in the same tier as fucking C&C 4.

>>283933560
This looks nothing like CnC, I have no idea why they keep pushing it
The closest to CnC was AoW, but even then it was a clone of shitty generals, that hardly felt like previous CnC titles

>>283938509
>no TA

the fuck?

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>>283934961

Try to penetrate my shielded defense perimeter.
BRB, going to Mavor the fuck out of the map...

>>283953239
neither do sc2 or coh2

they're there for contrarian points and because they're new

>>283953093
I don't plan on it.

>>283953091
>Grey goo
>CoH 2
>irredeemable filth
Come the fuck they aren't that bad

>>283952568
If casual = fun
I love being a casual