FFTA is the best GBA SRPG, discuss.

...ok sure, but it doesn't exactly have a lot of competition.
I guess FE 7 and 8 are on there too?
But they don't really play anything alike.

No, Knight of Lodis was

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>>283409385
>best GBA SRPG

I can only think of two GBA SRPGs. FFTA and Tactics Ogre. Admittedly I haven't played TO yet.

What the hell other GBA SRPGs were there? The PSP remains the premier SRPG handheld device.

>>283410125
There was Onimusha Tactics too, which was god awful

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>>283409385
The original Tactics and it's remake are some of my favorite games of all time. I bought this day one because of that and it was awful for one simple reason. The stupid judge system, killed any strategy you might be able to have and made everything luck based. I cant believe someone play tested that shit and approved it. For that reason pretty much every other GBA SRPG was better even Onimusha Tactics.

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>I want to replay this!
>NO SWORDS ALLOWED IN THIS BATTLE
Dropped

Nigga Tactics Ogre was way better

I miss the emblem system in Knight of Lodis so bad, it was pretty much the coolest way to unlock new classes and was an achievement system that actually had tangible gameplay benefits.

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>>283410769
The law system wasn't that bad. I found it fun having to be creative in battles. Sometimes you'd get fucked with laws, but nothing a simple reset wouldn't fix. I don't really understand why people hate the law system that much, perhaps it's just been so long since I played it that I'm forgetting something significant about it.

Barring that, the single thing FFTA had over the original FFT was the sheer amount of content.

>>283410901
>>283410769
What are you talking about, the game is so easy and you end up so overpowered that any limitations the cards may impose is negated. If anything, they made you be more varied in your playstyle

>>283411192
And A2 had tons more content than Advance with a main character who was actually stoked to be a vidya game hero

>>283411558
I 100% A2.. My save file says 200 hours but it must've taken me around 400 taking resets into account

I'd say Bahamut Lagoon is a decent contender but it's so piss poor easy

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>grindy lawfest better than FE7/8

Nice try OP.

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>>283411558
>tons more content than Advance

Oh word? I might emulate that after I finally get around to finishing TO:LUCT's codas.

I spent countless hours through the night with pic related playing the shit out of FFTA.

What about the game in general? Any significant changes or is it essentially the same as FFTA?

>>283412023
I'm not OP, but something about the FE series never really grabbed me when I was younger. Maybe I'll give them another shot now, so which FE would be a good starting point?

>>283412423
Play FE4's translation patch and be dissapointed by all the others

>>283412423
>that image
triggered

I still remember having my perfectly spiraled light just as if it was new and my sister walks up and grabs it and pulls it open, forever ruining it's chances to look good ever again.

>>283412423
Well, FE8 is the best entrance point as it has a world map like most SRPGs and the option to grind if you want to. Also, Hard Mode is actually fun and not a lazy mode where enemies take forever to die, unlike many RPGs.

>>283411558
Some of the new classes were awful though. Wished Geomancer worked like FFT.

Rangers and Ravagers are great but even then Seeq and Gria have really limited options.

>tfw SRPGs are your favorite genre
>tfw FFT & TO were your favorite entries
>tfw both series are dead, and you can't get into FE or stuff like Valkyria
Kill me.

>>283412423
Laws aren't really as crippling as they were.
A lot of classes got rebalanced, stuff that used to be super OP isn't but a ton of new stuff is broken as fuck.
It's mostly the same game but more polished and with a lot more shit to do. It does focus very heavily on sidequests and not so much on the main plot though, which is sorta neat.

>>283412023
I dunno, watching 100s of enemies suicide into my units got old really quick.

>>283410050
This

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>>283412601
Have you been visiting your sister's grave every year since you got out of jail? I would rage murder anyone that did that shit to me.

>>283412495
>>283412679
I will investigate, thanks Anons. "The Sacred Stones" is the 8th FE right?

>>283410050

This. I wish I hadn't sold my copy.

Mermaids were useless though

>>283410125
>The PSP remains the premier SRPG handheld device.
What do you recommend besides Jeanne D'Arc, VC2&3, and FFT port?

>>283411192
>>283411223

It isn't that it's hard, it's that it's stupid and added nothing to the game. I would of rather the battles just been conventionally more difficult like Belias in the original game. Instead some retard blows a whistle and nobody can use swords for a battle. It added nothing and just made certain battles stupid as fuck.

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>>283412861
Duelhorn side story was a pleasant surprise.

Also pic related.

>>283413148
Tactics Ogre, for one

>>283413045
that's why there's usually a Hard Mode

>>283413126
SS is the 8th one

Which style of SRPG do you prefer more, top-down like Fire Emblem, or isometric like FFT, FFTA, Disgaea, etc.?

How do we improve the SRPG genre?

>>283413204
Worst is when you have a map full of monsters and no damage 2 monsters. It's literally artificial difficulty.

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>>283409385
All you need

>>283410927

The only thing I hated was the emblem that reduced your stats. Yes, you only got it for doing something that seems stupid, but in the early game it's actually quite easy to accidentally get.

>>283413136
Mermaids were dope. Way more useful than fairy and some dragons.

>>283413148
TO:Let us cling together.

>>283413243
I loved her entire quest chain.

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>>283413276
>that's why there's usually a Hard Mode
So you think in FE7 enemy units aren't pathetic weaklings with single digit stats? That's cute.

>>283413309
FE did FFT style height in Radiant Dawn and that was awesome.

>>283413330
That game is really bad.

>>283413337
The Don Quixote one for getting countered hard? Yeah all my front line units had that at the end of the game sadly

>>283412423
What kind of man uses a vibrator

>>283413330

Get that shit out of here. He wants GOOD games.

>>283413243
Frimelda my waifu

>>283412861
Between laws and quests that game was more trouble than it's worth. The quest system I fucking stupid and you need a dozen grunts.

>>283413534
it's not a vibrator. it's an asslighter

>>283413373
Fairies were dope as fuck... when you turned them into snapdragon swords

>>283413492
Oh shit, I actually forgot that late game is a joke.

At least FE6 is better about difficulty.

>>283413628
That doesn't answer my question

>>283413148
Tactics Ogre: Let Us Cling Together is an absolute must play for SRPG fans.

Disgaea if you can stand that shit, I personally can't.

Gungnir was pretty good, but I've seen people that hate it.

Lord of the Rings Tactics was surprisingly good, but I had hell-fuck low expectations for it, so it was probably just mediocre.

Yggdra was average all around.

I'm sure there's plenty more but my brain isn't working well right now.

>>283413373

Nah man, they couldn't move very far unless you were in water, which pretty much doesn't appear at all after the point where you can get mermaids.

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Are there any other games where you play as the Antagonist who's so delusional he thinks he the Protagonist?

>>283409385
Doesnt even come close to tactics ogre

>>283413624
I actually liked that the game made you develop more than a handful of units

>>283413649
He cherry picked a morph. Those are just dummies.

>>283413825
I think you are confusing antagonist with villain

>>283409385
>save
>load battle
>check law
>quit, load save, load battle with appropriate team

game sucked

>>283413849
I just kept a buttload of human rogues because they ran through quests.
>>283414037
This

>>283413825

Baten Kaitos?

>>283411558

HOUR LONG BATTLES

>>283414037

I'm pretty sure you can see the lawas before the battles start, can't you?

>>283412859
Right there with you man.

I will never understand why people think the law system in this is bad.

If you take just five seconds to check the laws, you'll never have to worry about them. Fuck, just doing side missions gives you enough anti-law cards to counter pretty much anything. Most of the time the law can be used against your opponents, too.

That pile of shit they called a sequel was way worse. In FFTA1, you break a law but it's not lethal? Ok, yellow card, probably no gil after battle or some other small penalty. In FFTA2, you casted fire against someone when the law prevents it? FUCK YOU NO REVIVING.

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>>283413883
No, FE7 is just kind of casual.

>>283414037
You never even played the fucking game, did you?

You could check the laws AT ANY TIME by pressing L.

>>283414550
Because they're lazy fucks. Literally the COD audience.

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>>283413649
>>283413492
>>283412679
>>283412495
So FE7 is out and FE4 and FE8 are the go-to starting points?

Thanks Anons.

>>283414550
It's gameover if Marche breaks the law though.

>>283414550
Even the skill system is shit. 50% of the classes had the same skill and some had multiple skills that did the same thing.

>>283414835
Then don't break the fucking law.

>>283414905
The original Tactics had the best class/skill system ever in my opinion

>>283413496
>>283413571

Sorry about your shit taste, get well soon.

>>283414985
>third quest
>no copycat
fug

>>283415135
Should've not been a shitlord and checked the law before engaging.

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>>283414985
>don't break the fucking law

>law is no knockbacks
>get a critical hit on someone
>automatically knocks them back

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>>283415117

>dat projecting.

Such mad.

>>283415595
Then don't use attacks the can knockback.

Jesus Christ you can't be this stupid.

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>>283414550
>I will never understand why people think the law system in this is bad.

Because it is, any game mechanic that takes something from being skill based to luck based is bad on principle. Add to that the fact that everything else about the game has been made way easier and it just makes it an all around inferior sequel in every way. You also state in your own post why the system was redundant, why should anti-law cards exist if it makes an already broken system even easier lel?

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>>283414905
I gots me a bad memory, wasn't the skill system of FFTA based around learning skills through weapons? Unless they changed that for A2, in which case I can't comment.

>>283415194
Advance Wars was pretty baller. However, it wasn't much of an SRPG. It was mostly Strategy with barely any RPG elements.

>>283415705
>don't melee
nice game you got there

>>283415840
>wasn't the skill system of FFTA based around learning skills through weapons
weapons/armor

>>283415870
>meleeing over and over
>not adding some variety into your team
>not using magic

You're really boring.


>>283415840
Based around weapons/armor, but gaining AP is so fucking slow that it takes forever to learn anything.

>>283415595

>position a unit behind the unit you want to attack
>use a skill that doesn't knockback (yes you have them at that point in the game).
>Attack a unit next to a wall.

It's not that hard to figure out. Either you are a moron or you are someone doesn't like a challenge.

>>283415728
>skill based to luck based is bad on principle
Not the guy, but playing with certain laws needed skill. That's the whole point of them. Instead of steamrolling every battle with the same setup, you actually need to mix things up to cope with the various laws. It was a great mechanic that varied the gameplay a lot. And anti-law cards had the purpose of getting you out of situations that would've been too hard for your party at a certain point.

In any way, it varied the gameplay a lot, and only retards couldn't handle it.

>>283415728
>any game mechanic that takes something from being skill based to luck based is bad on principle.

Not that Anon but I don't remember it being completely luck based. You could check the laws at any time. Regardless, I get why people don't like the law system, but I feel like people are exaggerating its importance when it comes to explaining why they didn't like FFTA. Saying things like "everything else made the game easier" is much more conducive to conversation than "LEL LAW SYSTEM IS SHIT", don't you agree?

>>283416168
>gaining AP is so fucking slow

Hm yeah it probably was. Though there were so many side missions to do I probably didn't recognize it as being an issue.

>>283416179
>>283416375
These Anons get it.

>>283416375
>max 20 law cards
>50 law cards for completion a quest
>>283416168
>you in charge of reading comprehension
>>283416179
Trolling this hard

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>>283413496
>>283413571
>Not liking Yggdra Union

Best gameplay
Best protagonist
Best story
Best villain

No seriously, it's got one of the best villains in videogame history, Gulcasa was baller as fuck.

>>283416849

>best gameplay
>best story

those others are arguable, but are you serious with these?

>Judge System

Instant trash. It was an abomination.

>not knight of lodis
>not srwog2

>>283416970
The gameplay was actually pretty intricate and unique, and it's not Knights in the Nightmare levels of obtuse.

>>283417270
I actually really liked Knights in the Nightmare though. But I liked all of Sting's games

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>>283416653
Okay Anon, we get it. You don't like the law system. Now can you cogently explain why else you didn't like FFTA using more than just a handful of words? Or are you going to keep complaining about the law system?

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>>283417727
>Sting games

Sort of unrelated to SRPGs, but was Riviera worth playing? I only played a bit of it and it appeared pretty boring and simplistic.

>>283418198
I enjoyed it for the waifus and the gameplay, but it's got some annoying things like the inventory system.

>>283418198

So fucking boring, it's lame pandering shit and not even lewd if you would play through it expecting something lewd. The item-based grinding is interesting but still grindy. I don't know, I just didn't find it memorable in any way

>>283418198
It gets anit better once you get your full party and shit and levels start having more than one path, but if it didn't grab you early on the slog ain't worth it.

>>283418807
*a bit better

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>>283409385
Not just best GBA SRPG, but possibly the best SRPG, period.

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i just fuckin wanted to start a ff thread but there is one
dear faggots of /v/
there are literally difficulty patches for final fantasy games making them hard as my dick right now
im sweating while downloading ffIX
www insanedifficulty com/board/index.php?app=forums

>>283418198
Absolutely miserable. Characters were dull even for moeblobs. Can't even walk around towns and dungeons freely, just clicking a menu

>>283415194
what ever happened to this series anyway? they made like 15 games then it suddenly fell off the face of the earth.

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I can't be the only one who also played it on Android, right?

>>283417727
>knights in the nightmare

so this is actually good? the ds version is the best right?

>>283419542
It's fine, they were a ton of fun but I don't want New Super Advance Wars

>>283413243
One of the most sobering side stories ever in my opinion

Fight with a buddy
Buddy falls in love with you and confesses
Buddy grows jealous of your skills and has you killed
You come back as a zombie
Get reincarnated
Confront your buddy and leave him in shame after beating him

>>283419442
>Can't even walk around towns and dungeons freely, just clicking a menu

Well yeah, that's more or less the point of the gameplay.

Also the insanely hard, one try-only QTEs for seeing the girls naked in the hot springs.

>>283419220
Romhacking has been around for a while now, but I sure as fuck didn't know about modified PSOne games. Though, I'm kind of hesitant to try them. Plenty of difficulty romhacks I've played just upped how hard it was with no fucks given to balance whatsoever.

>>283419442
>>283418807
>>283418704
>>283418691
So I guess fuck it then?

Though that one Anon did say he enjoyed the gameplay. What about the gameplay did you enjoy?

>>283419542
Last I checked, they turned the developer into a Mario spin-off workhorse. I don't know what they've been up to since.

>>283419694
I never played the PSP version but the touchscreen controls were really important in the DS version so I can't imagine it ported well

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But that's wrong OP

>>283419556
Played it on iphone, shit was comfy

>>283409385
i preferred fft with the art style and everything
ffta was pretty alright tho and a really good gba title

>>283409385
It felt too slow.

>>283419694
Also it was fun for me but I still can't say I have any idea what I was doing in the game. If you like to drink/smoke weed when you play vidya I suggest you get really fucked up and just enjoy the ride.

>>283419937
Works pretty good actually due to the analog stick.
>>283419831
I recommend playing Hexyz Force on the PSP, it takes all the good bits from Riviera and puts them into an actually good game with a actually good story.

Which FF:Tactics is better?
PSP with patch or iOS port with improved graphics?

>>283420110
This, it's my biggest complaint with FFTA and A2. Unless you're playing them on an emulator it takes for-freakin-ever to complete a mission just because of how everything is.

>>283419831
If you desperately need more portable anime girls from a decade ago try Swordcraft Story or something, that game was legit

>>283419058
wonder if XV will be any good.
I want to remain cautiously optimistic.

>>283419831
>What about the gameplay did you enjoy?

It's basically one huge management game where your inventory and all the weapons and items within it are both the most important things you have and the most vulnerable. Not only weapons have a limited use, they can also break from shit like traps in treasure chests or monsters that spit acid and degrade all of your items' durability. I also treat it more like a point and click adventure game with RPG elements than an RPG by itself, though.

It's been years since I last played it, but I enjoyed the nifty ideas it presented when it came to exploration and player choice.

>>283420262
Zero fucking difference between them aside from the graphics. Personally I'm slightly emotionally attached to the PS1 graphics but that's just me.

>>283419715

we don't need more mario games either yet they keep pumping them out. just thought they were pretty successful. guess I was wrong. doubt they cost a lot fo produce.

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>>283413148
Wild Arms XF if you like a strategy rpg with actual strategy, insted of just always having to send out the same overpowered character to wipe every map.

Would you fuck a Bangaa?

>>283420684
I miss Wild ARMS.

>>283420262
psp with fps/resolution fix and ps1 translation if you feel nostalgic is pretty damn fucking comfy yo
but then again so is the ios port
the ios port ran like a bitch for me though
then again that was years ago and it might run better now

>>283419220

You're not talking about FFT 1.3, are you? Because that difficulty patch is literally made for autistic people and couldn't be more aggravating and unfun

>>283420304
>If you desperately need more portable anime girls from a decade ago
Nah, just making sure I didn't miss any gems.

>>283420591
Wasn't the localization in WOTL better though?

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>>283420692
Yes

>>283416375
>In any way, it varied the gameplay a lot, and only retards couldn't handle it.

The game was easier, this point is invalid.

>>283420692
Maybe

>>283409385
That's not fire emblem 7

>>283420842
It was. I just got nostalgia goggles.

>>283420842
>Wasn't the localization in WOTL better though?

I personally loved it and thought it fit the game thematically but a lot of people were put off by the 'faux-Shakesperian' writing

>>283420842
it was more flowery and shakespearean. wouldn't necessarily call that "better".

>>283419694

Do people actually recommend this piece of shit? The controls are abysmal, the story makes no fucking sense and is told in weird episodes that have no logical flow to them, the UI is abysmal, the battles literally make no fucking sense, recuitment of players is so obtuse and you literally can't skip the intro so it literally punishes you every time you boot this shit game.

The ONLY thing I liked was the shmup-bullet hell aspect of the battles. Maybe I'm a retard but that game is beyond inaccessible

>>283421149
The original was filled with mistranslations and engrish.

>>283420297
Thought I was gonna get yelled at. Guess not. FFTA felt slow but at least FE GBA can be played quickly on lower difficulties. Even harder ones too if you're already experienced. I dont get that from other handheld strategy games, though.

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>>283420692
No, only a viera, or maybe a blue mage, they look very androgynous to be honest.

>>283421296
good enough.

>>283420842
Swordcraft Story is actually really solid. It's not a SRPG and thus hardly relevant but nobody should have to play Riviera

But is it better than A2?

>>283421690
Why do you hate Riviera so much?

It's different, but in no ways bad.

>>283421149
>>283421096
Was WOTL localized by the same dudes as Vagrant Story?

I remember one of them had a motherfucking Masters in Middle English. That's pretty legit.

Either way, comes down to preference.

>>283421690
I'll check it out, thanks nigga.

>>283421773
I agree with the poster earlier who said it felt more like a point and click game, most of Sting's games are weird and hard to put in a genre. I personally enjoyed Riviera and KitN but I can definitely see why they don't have very broad appeal

>>283413330
I always loved the tagline for that game

>>283421773
It had some elaborate affection system so I actually finished the piece of shit hoping it would give one of the girls character development in the end. Nope. I sat through the subpar gameplay and nonplot for fucking nothing.

At least the soundtrack was good.

>Have to grind for FOUR HOURS at the start for level 30 negotiations just so you can steal all of the abilities and in turn equipment from one of a kind story battles
>6 assassins

its shit

>berserk is a status ailment in the game
>mfw i purposely berserk my MC to pretty much sweep the map

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Nuh-uh motherfuckers, I'm not letting this SRPG thread die just yet.

>>283421773
I'm the Anon that brought it up. It might have to do with preconceived notions going into the game. I got bored of it early on because I expected a more "standard" RPG. Though an Anon likened it to a point-and-click adventure, so I might actually give it another shot in the future with that in mind.

Why in the world isn't there a tactics game for the 3ds?
Fucking square.

>>283423830
A good point and click adventure has challenging puzzles or good characters and dialogue. Riviera had none of that.

>>283423912
Square abandoned handhelds this gen, especially in America.

>>283424520
What about that Bravely Default game? And uh... err... cellphone ports I guess?

Are the Growlanser games considered TRPGs? Growlanser IV was pretty good, though the rest of the series didn't impress me.

>>283424520
With the exception of Theatrhythm.
And that new Final Fantasy game that plays like Monster Hunter.

>>283424945
There was also DQVII that's never, ever gonna come out here, but besides BD and that pretty much all we got from them was theatrythm which was jewed to death with DLC

>>283419058
>FFTA better than FFTA2
top fucking kek. The only bad thing in FFTA2 is not having multiplayer, everything else is perfect.

>>283424520

What do you mean? All they do is make mobile games now °▪°

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;_;

>>283425641
Fuck you ;_;

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>>283425605
>cellphone games are handheld games to people now

>>283425641
If it happens, it will be fucking plagued by dlc.

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>>283425605
Do they actually make new "games" for mobile? I haven't checked in a while but it was mostly ports. And the way the ports of FFV and FFVI looked made my nostalgia rage.

>>283425512
The story was pretty shit compared to FFTA.

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Marche is the cutest shota.

>>283426486
Please, stahp

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>>283411192
>Sometimes you'd get fucked with laws

sometimes?

It fucks you over early on when trying to train people for one fucking job.

and in a game where you can only field like 5 people a fight, being one man down will fuck you up.

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>>283425641
This one is real, but it's sad to know that the project is dead

>>283426220
Square Enix releases some obsure shitty new RPG from time to time
I guess there's Final Fantasy Dimensions which is like the SNES final fantasies

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>>283426486

>>283416849
Gulcasa did nothing wrong!

Bitch Yggdra killed his step-sister and fought against Bronquian civilians. Not to mention is a kin-slayer too (killed twin Valkyries).

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>>283427391
>Final Fantasy Dimensions

I'll bite. The fuck is FF Dimensions? A completely new RPG? And is it any good?

>>283410125
Yggdra Union

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>>283410125
>What the hell other GBA SRPGs were there?

>>283427967
pretty much "smash the screen several times to make your team attack. Also, pay $5 for characters from other games"