Thanks Gabe for making VN mainstream now. fucker
"Hey guys, look at me! I'm streaming a very underground Japanese game that'll make me look super cool in front of everyone!"
"Shit, everyone's playing this game."
"I gotta find some more obscure stuff so I can stand out more!"
This is how it'll go down and this is how society will come to accept masturbation to lolis as normal.
I just want people to stop automatically associating the word "anime" with spergs who can't hide (or even lower) their power level.
As soon as I convinced my friends that I don't wear a tail or draw Naruto yaoi they didn't really care that much.
The whole stream is nothing but a sarcastic reading of 'I can't believe this is real'. I guess they had to step up their game for the lower end folks with Reckful and Sodah drama lately that they had to pull this shit.
Then again, there's no such thing as bad publicity, or that's what they say.
More like they don't. Are you even watching the stream?
VNs have been mainstream in Japan for years and are already well known in the west even if they're not played as much. Oh wait, that's not what you want to hear is it? Sorry.
Wow anon you're so special and unique liking all these really niche games that only people who are interested in Japan would know of. Wow you really just have superior taste don't you? Which girl a best? Doesn't matter, you a best anon.
Nothing good can come of this. The quality of VNs will signifcantly decline as everyone that can breathe tries to make their own, it's the same fate that befell creepypasta. I'm so sad, /v/. Why do youtubers and streamers have to ruin everything?
nobody ever has, ever does, or ever will give a shit about pig disgustnig waitu piggu VNs
Just 100% confirmed that weeb faggotry is the most extreme form of cancer.
Who else but a twitch with a sub button and likely donation button would play no substance weeb cancer?
Weeaboos BTFO. An hero immediately.
If you want to outhipster others so badly, why don't you go and learn Japanese to join the real VN reading master race?
>nobody ever has, ever does, or ever will give a shit about pig disgustnig waitu piggu VNs
Weaboos eat up anything as long as it has cute animu-like graphics even if it's not actually Japanese. See Christine Love's shit that came to Steam ages ago and /v/'s obsession with Katawa Shoujo before the /vg/ segregation.
>The quality of VNs will signifcantly decline as everyone that can breathe tries to make their own, it's the same fate that befell creepypasta. I'm so sad, /v/. Why do youtubers and streamers have to ruin everything?
Unless they can learn Japanese, somehow influence the industry, then VN's will do just fine.
It has, but many people are willing to buy the non-ero version with no porn instead because they care about their social-networking DRM platform more than getting an uncensored product.
>people believe this is something new with normalfags
Have you guys even heard of Anime Web Turnpike? It was "weeaboo" before weeaboo was a thing. doesn't sound familiar? what about all those geocity sites? or something that had "Sailor Moon Kingdom" or whatever?
Do you mean commercial or fan-translated.
Mangagamer churn out nukige at a surprisingly rapid rate.
Last fan-translated vn I played was Killer Queen. I wanted to like it because the concept had a lot of potential, but the execution was terrible.
They played a lot of good VNs since those are usually the ones that get translations, and KS was quite lacking in comparison. The people who were new to VNs didn't have a point of comparison.
You can't ruin weebshit, it's already shit to begin with.
Also, 5E is better than 3.5 and 4, so sounds like you just have the taste of a complete and utter faggot.
Get wrecked, weeaboo.
>telltales games actually have some effort put into them
They do? The writing is terrible, the graphics are awful, the animation is shit. Where is the effort?
>Weeaboos shitpost on /v/ with off topic shit ranging from VNs and anime threads to porn and whyfoo faggotry
>NORMALFAGS RUINING /v/ BY TALKING ABOUT VIDYA
Weebs truly are braindead.
stop putting words in my mouth you autist
Do you know how shitty the VN translation scene is? Any spike in popularity can be considered a good thing.
>mfw one day Eroge! will be on Steam
why in the world does anyone want to see the streamer's fat faggot face in the corner of every stream?
Can I make a game like Long Live the Queen with this renpy thing?
I really liked that game.
>mfw EOPs will NEVER EVER play Soukou Akki Muramasa
>mfw EOPs will NEVER EVER play Kitto, Sumiwataru Asairo Yori mo or Itsuka, Todoku, Ano Sora ni.
>mfw EOPs will NEVER EVER play Baldr series
>mfw EOPs will NEVER EVER play Dies Irae, Kajiri Kamui Kagura, Senshinkan or Bansenjin
>mfw EOPs will NEVER EVER play Princess Witches, Twinkle Crusaders, Magical Charming or Hanahime Absolute
>mfw EOPs will NEVER EVER play Saihate no IMA or Romeo's new game
>mfw EOPs will NEVER EVER play Sekai de Ichiban NG na Koi
>mfw EOPs will NEVER EVER play untranslated games on their release day
>normalfags and annoying weeaboos buying shitty eroge with the ero removed just because it's on steam
The "anime club" scene was shit in the middle 2000's.
I'm one of the few oldfags who helped bring some interest of anime in the U.S. It was not that big, around 30 people to form something like what you see in Genshiken and it was in a Hallandale College Dorm.
I had a good memory.
shut the fuck up you weaboo piece of shit
you were born in the west, not in fucking japan, so why the fuck are you consuming obviously inferior entertainment? I bet you only listen to anime music and hate live action
>around 30 people to form something like what you see in Genshiken and it was in a Hallandale College Dorm.
What the fuck? Are you serious? You wouldn't even know about anime if it weren't for people like Carl Macek doing horribly butchered localizations in the 80s.
>there are people who exist who play this and take this "game" seriously
>there are people who take the genre of "Visual Novels" seriously
I don't know how this is even possible.
How can anyone play VNs? I can't play one for a minute before questioning what the fuck I'm doing and why.
>mfw people between 2006-2013 told me learning Japanese would be useless
>mfw everyone tried to distract me or deject me over it
>mfw I market stuff whenever Comiket comes and I get free VN's from any of the doujin circles
Carl Macek? you mean the guy that was barely relevant and only struck some gold with Robotech?
Fansubbing wasn't technically illegal until Funimation like they jews they are tried and failed to do so.
>tfw been making a renpy vn for about two years now
and it looks like im going to release it just in time to cash in on the 'vns are cool now' fad, if that ever happens
please let it happen.
I'd argue the vast majority of it is being a weaboo.
I love sex and I love doing sexual things and looking at sexual acts, but the instant I hear the 8th-grade-tier dialogue and dumb honorifics of a visual novel, I have to close it.
I can't take it.
My only problem with Steam is that a LOT of the so called "otaku" on there are doing it "ironically". You can tell they're nothing like how they try so hard to act AND if they do watch anime/read manga it's always nothing but the absolute entry level stuff.
In the end I guess it doesn't really bother me that much, though. Every hobby has a sea of posers and they go out with the tide every time.
Just beat this
Scenes were pretty good, way short in general though.
I am saddened we did not get to fug the munchkin [email protected] or the maine coon. And no anal but it was worth the money at least.
>tfw no qt [email protected] irl
>>not being a cluck
>bawk bak bawwwk
>buk buk bawk
Tell me about it. If you really were into the fansubbing scene before the US started making the distinction between "Japanimation" and saturday morning cartoons, I'm intrigued.
hey this actually looks pretty good
it's probably just generic tumblr trash but hey the art is fine
>Playing an eroge VN on Steam
>while talking to other people
I don't get this. These games are meant to be played alone. Why ruin your experience with the game? There's no way this will hold a streamers audiences attention. They prefer lelphysics games, not something that takes time and moves slowly with literally zero action.
Japanese authors are shit.
None of them have any level of worldwide acclaim, whereas you can pick from a sea of legendary white American authors.
They're just genetically incapable of writing well. It really impacts their ability to produce compelling entertainment.
And that's me being objective.
Where the fuck were you when Persona 4 released? Persona 4 is the hipster not-a-vn-I-promise Jrpg of choice for that reason. You can be a waifufag and not feel ashamed in public because it's popular.
I'm fine with eroge and VNs, but why do they all have to have the cringiest music in existence? Especially eroge, as soon as you start it up and hear the music playing, you know you're playing something made for perverts.
>VAs are all high pinched annoying shits
>music is all high pinched shit with no thought at all (see: candypop shit)
>they're all ugly as fuck unless they get a million plastics
you're fucking braindead if you enjoy anything made in that shitstain of a country
Tell you about it? well, have you ever seen Genshiken? Picture those people. two liked to cosplay, the others like to bringing more people with shit like "You have to see Saint Seiya, you have to see Yoroiden Samurai Troopers".
And we'd fansub at least a Season or two. I remember an old buddy of mine used to own a Convenience store behind two rows of houses that sold shit like Bioman, Kamen Rider Black and Slayers (from us of course.)
It was golden. between Hallandale, L.A., and Texas.
This was one of the cons we went to.
Are you retarded? You can't even read Japanese and you're going to be talking about their book market?
You don't know any Japanese authors because you can't read Japanese. You know a lot of American white authors because you live in America. You're this retarded also because you live in America.
Honestly I prefer them without choices. Choosing if you want to go left or right around a pillar is just pointless. If it has bad ends you'll just end up looking at a walk through anyway so what's the point?
>There's no way this will hold a streamers audiences attention. They prefer lelphysics games, not something that takes time and moves slowly with literally zero action.
You managed to remind me out of this con in my home town last summer. The year before that someone held a R18 presentation about eroge and this time there was a surprise R18 presentation in the same hall with the no description other than that it's "going to ruffle some feathers". I thought it was going to be something similar to last year at first, but it just ended up being some "lol I'm so random" Youtube celebrity FUCKING NARRATING FOR ONE HOUR of Hatoful Boyfriend to few hundred people.
Except I've actually studied literature and know countless non-American, non-English authors with acclaim superior even to American authors.
The reality is that Eastern literature is considered sub-par, just like Eastern philosophy, because it is.
And I can't tolerate poorly written games. That's why Japanese shit makes me cringe.
>Hasn't read one single Japanese novel
>thinks he knows the quality
Stop reading garbage Yen Press translations, you ignorant swine.
I bet you're a pretty shitty author as well. Do you even know shit about Japanese authors? Can you even read a little Japanese?
Not to sound extremely weeaboo but yeah, lets just shit on an entire countries' authors because your only experience is with anime and manga.
You should go ahead and hop off of this website then, since it was basically a rip off of a Japanese imageboard, made to discuss Japanese cartoons. Kill yourself.
>They're just genetically incapable of writing well
>suggesting that genetics play a part in the ability to write compelling fiction.
>F. Scott Fitzgerald
>Edgar Allen Poe
All American authors.
Name some fucking Japanese authors, now.
Good authors are born, not made.
99.99% of the population doesn't make the cut.
And there are a LOT of tryhards who put in the effort but weren't born with the talent to make it.
Is that why the sons and daughters of great writers because great writers too because of their genetic superiority?
Boy, can't help but wait till Terry Pratchett's daughter starts writing those Discworld books.I mean, if she's anything like Tolkien's kid, I've half a mind to take a tire iron to the old man right now.
Why do youtube faggots never LP actual fucking japanese VNs? Why do they always do western made literal weeaboo renpy shit?
Where's the fucking Clannaids or Fate Shits? Where the fuck are they?
That's what literature fucking means, you brainless cockroach.
>Literature, in its broadest sense, is any written work; etymologically the term derives from Latin literatura/litteratura "writing formed with letters", although some definitions include spoken or sung texts.
Holy fuck, what a waste of brains.
>Is that why the sons and daughters of great writers because great writers too because of their genetic superiority?
You realize they have two parents, right?
And you would find a pattern of superior writers being born from highly superior writers - which you actually do.
You understand psychological traits are highly heritable, right?
What the fuck did I just enter on this stream.
There is none. Vidya autists just can't enjoy VNs. Tell Tale's works are OK early experiments with western style visual novel adventure games. Maybe someone will produce something decent in another 10 years, so we'll reach 90s VN quality by 2050.
>catgirl cafe simulator
You're right about no porn in it but come on
Early Genshiken is one of my favorites.
>you have to see Yoroiden Samurai Troopers
Anime clubs with good taste. Who'd have thunk it. Guess that was a thing of the past.
Sounds pretty rad, man. Love hearing about shit like that. Been digging up some of my old Animerica magazines lately. It's easy to forget how niche it was even just 10-15 years ago.
What the fuck are you even saying, you pretentious fuck?
Whatever you write is literature. now, I didn't say if it was "good" or "bad" literature. I'm not gonna argue semantics. Also
worst case scenario, jp companies start censoring their VNs and shooting them at fast/lazy localization companies like sekai. meanwhile someone's playing the world's smallest violin for mangagamer as they complain about KnS 2 selling 5 copies
Alright fine. I thought that someone Western (like the Recetter guys) had the balls to put cute girls in their games but apparently not.
FUCK not these guys again.
You must not play many Western games either because the writing there isn't stellar either.
>Eastern philosophy is considered sub-par
Guess the doctrines that shaped entire countries and last until today in government mean jack shit but that's because you're talking out of your ass. Confucianism? Legalism? Buddhism? Just keep painting with that wide brush about shit you don't know about.
There's a few for you
There's no demand or commercial element.
Triple A Western VN's or even an actual indie scene would be interesting, but the ultra-niche bottom of the barrel retards who have made them really do have no taste.
If Westerners never care about VN's, they'll never make good ones. And I'm not convinced they can be made to care.
>Confucianism? Legalism? Buddhism
Confirmed for never having studied philosophy formally in addition to literature. Confucianism is barely philosophy. It's a really underdeveloped form of Stoicism that was promoted by the government.
One single Greek author was more prolific in terms of developing philosophy than the entire far east, but not the near east.
>that feel sex scenes serve as plot and character development
Sonohana is such a weird series
Yeah, it was a balance of "niche" and "notorious". I'm not saying it's bad now, but I feel like it was more pure back then.
Also, companies weren't butthurt about "pirating" like Funimation (back then as "Funimation Production") were. they were greedy motherfuckers and we did that shit for fun or help the store owner.
But lots of good ones exist, right? Why aren't they playing them?
Fuck think of the female market+studios they have for all the BL games, that should shut progressives up maybe
Westerners got text adventures/point and clicks, japanese got VNs. Neither care about the other.
Games like Phoenix Wright and Danganronpa have gotten probably as popular as any VN will ever get, even if they're not really VNs.
>enter the stream
>he read the text loud
Why? Why would you do that?
Because he's cancer and there's currently people in this thread enjoying the stream. Crazy right?
>literally no western author is able to replicate uguu art from Japan
I could stencil one in 30 minutes.
It's all cookie cutter to cut down on production costs.
And I understand why, because doing actual animation is hard as fuck.
I'm saying that you haven't. Talking straight out of your ass.
Confucianism is so much more than just an "underdeveloped form of Stoicism promoted by the government" a way of life, social ethic, political ideal, damn near a religion. You underplay it's significant. It's true it was endorsed by the government during the Han dynasty but it's quite a bit more than just a watered down stoicism.
>he read the text loud
Why would he do this.It's a VN with voice acting
>15k people watching Nekopara
2015 will change everything
>Dark Souls NEVER EVER ON PC
>MGS NEVER EVER ON PC
>FF15 NEVER EVER ON PC
>JAPANESE VN NEVER EVER ON STEAM
>NORMALFAGS WILL NEVER EVER LIKE JAPANESE GAMES
>implying that people who fap to loli is just some kind of ebin meme on /a/, /co/, /v/, /b/, /d/, /vg/, /sp/ etc
>implying that there aren't actual pederasts on /tv/, /sp/, /b/, etc.
Go fuck yourself and your degenerate mudslime fetish.
But I wasn't implying that at all. I'm saying that they probably don't actually think lolis will become mainstream.
Fuck off normalfag, you're a minority here.
Am I supposed to know who this sad cuck is? Is this thread about streaming VNs or this fag in particular streaming them?
>gaben realizes the deep pockets of weeb perverts
>we get a R18 section on steam separate from the normal games
oh the shitstorms that will happen.
>Shitty VNs on steam and twitch
Jeez, I wanted the VN industry to make some money off of western market, but not like this.
All the good VN companies are running out of money, making poor decision, borderline bankrupt, and OELVN and shit VNs are the ones making money.
I hope these people at least have the decency to buy good VNs.
>fap to pictures of supposed children
>somehow deserves any repercussion
Your right to flail your arms stops where the nose of someone else begins and your flabby nazi arms are way closer to the noses of the "pederasts" than theirs to your mouthbreathing face.
Will never happen. Most of the R18 rated games that are popular are catered to pederasts. Gabe would never put those up there because he wouldn't want to be arrested, and no one would buy the "vanilla" games.
No, I'm posting on the video games board. You seem to be confused, hence why you're shitposting /jp/ content on /v/.
your cancer containment weeb boards are the minority of 4chan, dipshit
>Anime Web Turnpike
Fuck me, I was hit hard with nostalgia
You should try reading VNs where they are important/relevant to the plot.
Don't bother with H-Scenes to any VN that didn't have them in the first place, because those will always be shoehorned and awkard.
You know damn well it hasn't been that since 2009, right?
And don't give me that "oh, well moot made 4chan for weebs in the first place!
Newsflash:things deviate from their paths all the time in life my friend. High Heels used to be for men who rode on horseback, now its used as a fashion sense so females can have an excuse to fuck up their feet/spines.
They'll get 2 episodes and quit because it's too hard
I'd be happy it gets more exposure, but LPers don't play vns like that
>cancer containment weeb boards are the minority of 4chan
I see you seem to be on the wrong site, anon. There are multiple sites you can go to to discuss video games on a site not modeled after a Japanese site and not made to discuss Chinese cartoons.
Yeah, but I have one just in case. at least, when I go traveling.
No, that's just the stuff you see in Akihabara and even then, I hangout with a bunch of Gunpla/Sentai fags. Kinda like this
Also, "Moe" can be anything. what you mean to say is "Fanservice".
Pretty much this. Anytime you see a VN or anything similar in the top 20 streams online, then it's almost always sarcastically bashing on it. That's why they didn't even bother to give it its own game channel.
They're making fun of it, Chaika.
Don't care as long as it doesn't affect Japanese releases in Japanese.
Western VN fanbase is already cancerous as is, this thread is all the proof your need, so some shitty streamers jumping in is whatever.
Not happening. There's not enough appeal for wacky jokes.
Steins;Gate actually tries to be somewhat serious and competent so them doing the usual deal of acting the story out wouldn't work. And shit takes too long to get going, so they couldn't be bothered to stick around to it.
Waffle has always been annoying. He's just extremely loud and obnoxious, and it isn't really surprising that his main game happens to be Minecraft. It's never any fun the moment he ends up on Lirik's stream.
Reminder that EOPs will NEVER EVER get
>Aiyoku no Eustia
>Kajiri Kamui Kagura
>Oretachi ni Tsubasa wa Nai
>Kimi ga Nozomu Eien
>Cross Channel Final Complete
>Albatross Koukairoku and other Mareni
>Saihate no Ima
>Sayonara wo Oshiete
>White Album 2
aiyoku no eustia is the only one of those i know of that seems decent
VN's in general are a pretty shit media form with few but very notable exceptions
the format is rarely used to its potential and is overloaded with otaku pandering
of the bad variety
anime is much more respected and consistent than VN's by comparison
i think becoming more mainstream will actually be a really good thing in the end, it'll increase interest in the genre, and generate more desire for translations and quality material
besides, it's not like they can get lower, 90% of it is already fucking horrific, so i don't know what everyone is so afraid of.
Sure thing, like I care
I still enjoy them way more then Ive ever enjoyed any book/manga or anime.
Ive never cried so much in my life than with the endings of VNs while I feel nothing with drama in any other medium.
Fuck writing, immersion is what counts.
and then we just go back to using fantranslations since SJW whining can't stop those from happening
although lazy motherfuckers sure can stop it from happening. DO YOU HAVE MESSAGE WORKING ON EDITING THE MAHOYO TL, COMMIE, YOU SLOW FUCKS?
if by western influences you mean original and quality material, which is very rare in VN's, then no
i'm talking about things like yu-no and sekien no inganock getting more attention as opposed to high school romance drivel that's been done hundreds of times, which the western audience has no interest in
Gonna be interesting to see many people get disappointed by it.
It's short as fuck compared to other TM works, it feels like a prelude to a sequel which might never come and it's not even voiced. Nasu was alreadsy rich as fuck when it was getting made, no reason to not have damn voices.
That's the point of a niche medium, asshat. A small group of people like it as it is but then they change it to appeal to "broader audience" (aka normalfags) and it's ruined for the former group. That's what happened with vidya
Of course things can get worse, Japanese VNs can get influenced by SJWs or some other Western shittery.
And it's not like VNs like YU-NO or Inganock aren't still being made. YU-NO us getting a remake this year nad new Steampunk series titles is to be announced soon. And most of the authors of previos standout titles are working on new ones too, like Romeo on Shoujotachi wa Kouya wo Mezasu or Shuumon on new ItsuSura-like game or Jackson on Anekouji Naoko etc. etc.
Basically this >>277993649
>care about the genre
>complain about what comprises 95% of it
The whole medium is about cute girls being moe, romance with some bullshit drama or not, and sex.
Then you have the exceptions, but the rule is the rule.
>And the people complaining are people who actually care about the genre and want to see less otaku-pandering bullshit.
Another delusional Western faggot. Go to Japan and go tell them all that their medium is shit. Go tell them that all the sales rankings mean nothing and that they should stop making games like that. Good luck, faggot.
You know what? I would look forward to the day SJWs get a hold of VNs if it meant the gigantic otaku fanbase would get BTFO. I'm so tired of faggots only buying games and VNs because they have tits or shitty porn rather than the actual quality of writing or anything like that.
And the reality is, there are two levels of people. Normalfag weebs, these are people that don't give a shit about the genre, buy kusoge and fund shittier games. Like Sakura Spirits. These are faggots that only ever play one or two visual novels at most, then demand every other visual novel cater to their whims.
And then you have actual weebs that read a large variety of VNs, not just ones that please their dicks.
>The whole medium is about cute girls being moe, romance with some bullshit drama or not, and sex.
No it isn't you delusional faggot.
If we rated games just based on how they sell, then I assume you think Call of Duty and Assassin's Creed bullshit is fine, right? Regardless of how shitty the actual games are, they sell and that's all that matters.
>Y-you need to be a chef to criticize food!
>Y-you can't criticize my trashy taste! Go make your own food then!
>Y-you need to be a chef to criticize food!
Learn English please, Im just saying you should make your own if you dont like the current ones because they are not going to change.
You seem butthurt as shit and always talk about the cancerous Western fanbase. Fuck that, it's a non-factor to VNs.
>No it isn't you delusional faggot.
Actually it is. Please study the history of VNs https://archive.today/HD0Z It might be an eye-opener for a faggot like you.
>not drawing clear distinction between VNs and nukige.
I consider "VN" to be what you read for the scenario (sometimes called scenarioge or plotge but I find it retarded) and nukige/eroge are just wank material
Who cares about the history of the medium if it's shit? Fucking PC-98 visual novels for the most part were COMPLETE AND UTTER SHIT because they were churned out bullshit designed to be created in a short time span to appeal to lonely faggots who would throw money at any shitty game their way. There were only a few standouts at the time (like YU-NO)
And of course the history of eroge misses out on the rise of non-eroge VNs gaining popularity.
>non-eroge VNs gaining popularity
Yeah, totally, they're extremely popular. Let's count some examples:
1. Otome games - still smut, but for girls and without actual fucking.
2. Previously eroge companies trying leaave ero behind - minori and Supipara, which nearly bankrupted them and for their next title, they went with almost nukige-like number of H scenes.
3. Consoles VN-like games, which almost always have puzzles too. Super popular and that's why Zero Escape 3 won't get made no matter how much you want it, eh?
>if cancer is only a small percentage of it, then it's just cancer
>if cancer comprises 90+% of it, then the whole medium was made with cancer in mind as its main appeal! the non-cancer now became the cancer!
>this is what weebautists actually believe
>because they have tits or shitty porn rather than the actual quality of writing or anything like that.
The distinction between eroge and nukige exists exactly to make the clear line between porn with plot and porn with porn.
And if porn in general regardless of its circumstances turns you off, you would be like a video game fan who doesn't play anything with violence.
And most eroge are shitty porn with shitty plots. The distinction between nukige and eroge doesn't matter when both are generally kusoge.
And porn turns me off because the majority of time it's shit that's not needed or shit that's poorly done. Look at Muv-Luv Alternative for the best example. Or Fate.
I hope you don't whine when other popular games sell, anon because they're just catering to the popular crowd. It doesn't matter that it's shit.
There's no porn in otome? Why do bitches read that shit then? The story is always atrocious
>Previously eroge companies trying leaave ero behind - minori and Supipara
You're conveniently citing bad examples, think key
Yes, otomo games are mostly non-H. And maybe you're always atrocious and that's why you see everything as atrocious?
You're conveniently citing one of the two successful examples (Nitro+ being the other, except not really since Tokyo Necro will be 18+), think of all those countless studios that didn't even try since they know it's a fool's errand. And think Sprite, they tried with Ima Sugu Imouto Da~tte Iitai, yet had to go back to ero with AoKana.
Catering to the core audience of VNs would, in fact, mean creating eroge. There is overlap between the core audience and the outsiders who are wowed by porn. Being a minority among minorities doesn't make you the correct target audience for developers to focus on, as no VN fan who actually cares about the medium is turned off by its porn, much less writes out anything that happens to feature it as generally being "kusoge".
You have no clue what is good for the medium. You have so far only listed VNs that are available in English, even unsurprisingly gravitating to YU-NO when needing a PC-98 title and a fucking TM game for superfluous porn.
The porn is disgusting. Rape-y even. Did you see who Vanilla cries when you dick her? She's a lesbian, but withstands your oppression, cause Chocola is a dumb slut who wants the dick and not pure lesbian sister love.
>Catering to the core audience of VNs would, in fact, mean creating eroge. There is overlap between the core audience and the outsiders who are wowed by porn. Being a minority among minorities doesn't make you the correct target audience for developers to focus on,
Again, I assume you never bitch about Call of Duty, Assassin's Creed or popular games either, right? Literally never do you complain about a game that sells well because you realize you are a minority, and thus you are not the right audience.
Your argument is fucking shit because it's trying to deflect criticism via an appeal to popularity. And that's basically what the rest of your post boils down to. 'It's popular and it sells, therefore it MUST be good!'
>wooo you like one popular thing (porn VNs), that means you must like another completely unrelated popular thing (CoD and AC)
Did it ever occur to you that people can have different standards for different mediums?
If you make the argument that you are a minority and unable to criticize a game because you're not the target audience, then you have to expand that out to every popular game ever made.
There's no different standards bullshit here. Either you admit that your initial premise expands to other popular games, or that you're a hypocrite and your argument was shit all along.
It's a very niche genre with no redeeming qualities. Its format makes it difficult to capitalize on quality writing, since they have to be brief so that the reader doesn't fall asleep clicking through the text box, and the appeal of voice acting and pictures of people put against drawn backdrops is extremely limited.
The only gimmicks I can think of that VNs do pull off is branching stories and cartoon porn. And most of them specifically try to attract players with a diverse harem of rainbow-haired animu chicks, regardless of what impact does it make on a story. And how well does that fly in the west?
I'm not that guy who made that argument. I just think you're a retard, so I stepped in with this >>277995105
You can criticize what you want, actually, just don't expect it to mean anything.
Your whole post is a load of horseshit. VN porn is terrible, and writers tend to pan their text, not make it brief.
Also VN as a medium has a lot of potential, since it's basically a book with visuals and music.
I'm new to vn and going to try this one, but the others I tried had too much story for very few porn, and porn content wasn't enough for me,
going to try this one tough since seem so popular, the uncesored one.