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Nine More Years

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>Hidetaka Miyazaki: Sorry but Bloodborne held back by PS4 technical limitations
>http://www.gamezone.com/news/hidetaka-miyazaki-hopes-you-ll-be-kind-with-bloodborne-s-framerate-223-jree

>Sony Online Entertainment: PS4's CPU a bottleneck
>http://gamingbolt.com/planetside-2-dev-confirms-ps4-cpu-is-a-bottleneck

>Slightly Mad Studios: PS4 CPU slower than single PC cores
>http://gamingbolt.com/project-cars-dev-ps4-single-core-speed-slower-than-high-end-pc-splitting-renderer-across-threads-challenging

This is the most powerful gaming console OF ALL TIME at the first year of it's release... And we've already hit the technical limit. Nine more years of this folks, nine very sad years.
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CPU was always going to be shit. No amount of SUPERCHARGED 8GB GDDR5 OF RAM POWER was going to make that 2009 netbook/low-end laptop go any faster. The only saving grace was the mid range laptop GPU in there, but even on release it was outdated by around three generations on PC.

This will only get worse over time.
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You can never hit an absolute technical limits of any hardware. You might approach it several year later, but not the first year.
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>>275100412
Everyone with technical know-how knew the CPU would be the limiting factor in these new consoles.
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>>275100748
I'm sure these devs have a better understanding of the hardware than you.
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>>275100793
Everyone but Sonyggers knew. The amount of fellating regarding it's low-end laptop hardware was outstandingly ignorant beyond belief.
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>>275100412

This is the plan, force the devs to use console specific work around to squeeze every last ounce of power, that way porting is harder and it's easier to force AA and AAA exclusives.
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My tablet is more powerful than the PS4 or any console for that matter. How sad is that...
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>FROM is constantly known for having games with FPS drops and generally shitty optimization
>blames it on the software
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>>275101636
>Software
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Fuck this shit.

How do I build a computer + monitor on a budget of 700-850?
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>>275101636
Don't you mean hardware, creep?
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>>275100748
what if your cpu is from 2007?
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>>275102113
>>275101912
lol sorry bruhs I blazed a little 420 if you know what im sayin my b
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>>275102319
fuck off back to /b/
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FROM can't optimize for shit.

Uncharted 4 is proof.
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>>275102023
logicalincrements.com

If you're that poor, you can use your TV instead of buying a monitor until you can beg for enough money for a decent 4K monster.
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So this just means that devs have to get creative again like in the golden age of consoles
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I seriously can't tell if OP is trolling, joking, or is actually serious. This website has fucked me up.
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It still sells.
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>>275102404
Uncharted had already been downscaled from the original pre-rendered E3 trailer. Just like Deepdown and pic related has.
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>>275102492
Can't believe than console hardware is shit and was out of date at release? how is that unbelievable, or are you just a recent migrant from neogaff?
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>>275102492
If you don't like the facts maybe you can hide your sorry Sonygger ass back in NeoFags. They'll appreciate your faggotry there.
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>>275102492
Sonygger pls go back to NeoGaf.
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>>275102683

The scene at the end of Uncharted 4's gameplay was at the level of the E3 reveal. Why are people ignoring this?
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I thought miyazaki said bloodborne was only possible on the PS4 though, I trust him over some anon on 4chan
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PS4 is fucked. Say what you want about Nintendo, but at least they know how to actually balance out their console during development, unlike Sony.

>PS3 CPU is a beast
>GPU is shit
>RAM is shit

>PS4 GPU is pretty good
>RAM good
>CPU absolute shit

Sony basically built a machine on purpose that can't even handle that graphics they want to target for it. They knew it couldn't, but still looked at this design and thought, yeah that's great. If gamers were gonna buy this shit system anyway, they should have just increased the CPU strength and raised the price to match the Xbone. It still would have had the desired effect of devaluing Xbox and it still would have sold in droves. Sony is retarded.
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>>275103225
Maybe out of all the consoles, yes. I can guarantee it could be done better on PC.
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>>275103225
>An ugly game that struggles to achieve a stable 30FPS is only possible on hardware that was out of date 6 years

Sounds about right
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>>275103225
So are you going to trust him now when he says the PS4 hardware is limiting his vision for the game?
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>>275103423
he didn't say that though he just said technical limitations, he's probably talking about B team fucking things up again
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>>275100412
>Nine more years of this folks, nine very sad years.
Yeah, another nine years begging for console scraps and shitposting out of asshurt. Another nine very sad years
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>>275103423
>believing clickbait headlines
>making me fall for clickbait just so I can call you a faggot
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>>275103127
And that was a pre-rendered cutscene.
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>>275103554
The technical limitations are the ps4's shit hardware, how fucking dense are you?

>>275103592
>I'm okay with playing 9 years of inferior games because I hate how other people enjoy video games on another platform

Fucking kill yourself retard
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>>275102683
>posting glitches

I don't know if PCfags are either retarded or just pretending
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>>275102404
The game that runs at 30 fps and seems to have been downgraded? At least lie when it's actually out
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>>275103691
>Bloodborne
>inferior

It looks better than any shit upcoming for PC. How buttpained you can be still PC babby?
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>People actually thought they would getting Uncharted at 1080p 60fps with CGI graphics.
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Why can't Miyazaki sacrifice 1080p for 60fps? Gameplay matters most so if you have to compromise, you should still be achieving 60fps
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>>275103726
>glitches
That's the hardware unable to keep up with rendering and bitmapping Sonygger.
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>>275103327
Sony can't go back now. They pretended their shit was cutting edge. Only thing left now is trying to constantly repeat how 15-25 fps is cinematic and good in order to increase graphical settings.
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>>275103937
Since Sony is the publisher, they're likely demanding that they sacrifice fluidity for visuals.
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>>275103937
Because then people would cry about 720p in 2014, which is a legit concern since people have been gaming at that resolution for like 15 years.

If Sony and Microsoft aren't willing to eat the costs and put out machines that can actually push the envelope, or if they aren't willing to tell devs to fuck off if they don't adhere to progress, then they might as well just give up and become like Nintendo instead of stagnating the market.
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>>275103853
>MFW the PS4 has so few games that console plebs are actually excited for this shitfest of muddy textures and top-hats
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>>275100412
i wouldnt mind 9 more years of last gen honestly

as long as the games arent shit
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>Nine
More like seven
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>Waaaah, I can't be a lazy faggot and not optimize anything ever

I'm not even a consolefag and I think that's pathetic.
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>>275104146
People complain about 30fps too it's the same shit, but one benefits the company image and one benefits the people who play games. I'd still play Bloodborne if it was 60fps 900p.
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>Previous consoles have games with bad visuals and bad performance.
>"B-b-but developers haven't gotten used to the consoles yet!"
>Current consoles with PC architecture have games with bad visuals
>No excuses anymore.- This is as good as it gets.
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>>275103853

give me 2 reasons that aren't bloodbourne, infamous or racegames to buy a ps4
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>>275104146
That's the saddest thing about this. Nintendo knows it's all about the game mechanics and not the graphics, Microsoft has gone with the multi-media experience but Sony has gone full retarded trying to market their outdated, cheap and nasty screen-less netbook as a SUPERCHARGED PC. Anyone with half a brain would have seen through this bullshit, except for your retarded Sonygger though.
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I love how PCfats always say shit like "consoles have shit CPUs and GPUs."
You've seen the shit devs pulled off with the 360 and PS3. Just give devs times to learn how to optimize their games.
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It's okay, poor PC optimization will make it better than PC anyways.
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>>275103630

What did you think the E3 reveal was?
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>>275104601
>black friday bundle
seems fair
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>>275104689
The price is always $399.
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>>275104541
>You've seen the shit devs pulled off with the 360 and PS3.
Yea, silky smooth 20 FPS with dips down to 0 FPS.
>>275104601
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/Y6LhGX
Stop posting anon.
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>>275104731
doesn't come with 3 games for the $399.99 price
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>>275104601
>two "new" games
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>>275104734
>ignoring the minimum specs
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>>275104541
Unlike last time, these consoles aren't using any kind of exotic hardware that needs figuring out. They will be able to max this out by 2015 unless they want to go back to sub-720p and 15fps.
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daily reminder
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>>275104838
CPU specs literally don't matter unless you're running SLI/CF, GPU specs are fine, the GTX 560 is a mid-range GPU from 3 years ago.
And that ~$450 build passes the minimum specs and would outperform the PS4 in the game.
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>>275100412
This is the same shit dev that couldnt make pc dark souls work and some guy fixed their buggy shit in 15 mins after release. They took weeks to patch it to work right. Incompetent nips should just be bombed again to remind them we dont like thwir shit.
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>>275103225
>Only possible on Ps4
>Can only get 30 FPS

I promise you it's not because of how powerful the console is. The same way Uncharted is only possible on PS_
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>developers can't optimize for shit
>blame the hardware

FROM has been known at being shit at optimizing their games and that first article indicates that that is exactly what is happening.
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Mustard here--look at this, many PC devs have ridiculous recommendations, because they'd much rather put out bloated pieces of shit, instead of practicing fines when developing, and approaching development with the philosophy that a minimalist approach is the best (which is actually true, especially when it comes to programming and developing).

Stop supporting this idea that we need to keep reaching for the stars, because developers will never maximize their projects for what they've got. I mean, consider what Nintendo accomplished with four fucking megabytes of RAM, with their first party games. I don't think hardware should be extremely limited, like the Wii U, but there should be some bottlenecks to incentivize more efficient development.
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>>275100412
>the only thing I need in my games is graphics
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>>275104734
Woah look at that optimization!! Kek sonyggers like to pretend their shit had optimization but good old digital foundry is showing us the facts now and forever.
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>>275100412
>Nine more years

Do you realize not even the PS3 is 9 years old yet.

There is nothing stopping sony from releasing a PS5 in the next few years.

As a matter of fact, since the chips are made and continuously developed by AMD, independently from sony's business decisions. It's became easier and cheaper than ever to release consoles. On top of that, it's very likely they'll just keep using the same OS and same APU architecture, making the process even cheaper and smoother.

If I could I would bet real good money that we'll be hearing about the next Playstation home console in the next 2~3 year max.

BTW, same thing applies to the Xbone. The only console I can see get a major change in vision with it's successor is the WiiU.
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>>275105247
>Mario at 1080p 60fps, looking like a cartoon version of Uncharted 4.

2017 or 2018 when they launch this shit is gonna be tight.
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>>275104541
They were already maxed out on launch.
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>>275105008

Even after all these years I still find hilarious as fuck at how people talk about DaS being "WORST PORT EVER A RANDOM GUY FROM THE INTERNET FIXED EVERYTHING!"

When the only shit he did was unlocking the 30 fps/720p limit. That's.Fucking.It. Which From and even Durante himself said it would cause problems since it was at 30fps how all the game and animations were done.
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>>275104734
>14 FPS
>14
>FPS
>14
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>>275105420
Only if we get an actual evolution of Mario 64, and not this 2.5d bullshit we've been getting.
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>>275104734
To be honest, the simple fact those games can even run on 8 year old hardware is a hell of an accomplishment.

Try running FC4 on a PC with 256 MB RAM, a 3GHz core2duo and 7800GT/HD3850 video card with 256MB VRAM.

You can't. I doubt you can even run smoothly the any version of windows more advanced than XP.
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>>275105825
I wouldn't exactly call low settings at sub-720p at 10-25 FPS "running" anon.
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>>275105090
> nips in charge of game programming

kek

Just look at hentai games from illusion, teatime, real, etc.
Just look at how shit JRPGs look on the PS3. Compile Hearts games literally look like they're from the Gamecube
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>>275105825
You can if you turn the settings down to 640p and can tolerate 14fps.
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>>275105825
Actually, a 360/PS3 is more like a 3 GHz tri-core with an 8600 GT (Really, HD 3850? Do you even know shit about PC hardware?) with 256MB VRAM.
You can't really compare them to PCs from 2005, since GPUs back then didn't have unified shaders.
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I for one am glad From came out and said it was the PS4s limitations.

How many other people "chose" to go with 30fps before that?
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>>275105825
>14fps
>smooth
You consolebabbies are just straight up delusional.
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>>275106214
Driveclub, Destiny etc.
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>>275100412
>10 areas only
>drops
>not that good , look like DS2 with mods.
>shitty monster design
already dropped the game
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>consoles of the future will have to be modular
>steam machines are actually the future direction

It's fucked up, but you know this is true. The only way the major companies can compete is buy focusing on pre-approved hardware, in conjunction with major providers, and honing in on acquiring more unique IPs.
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>>275106000
His point still stands faggot. A PC with the same specs couldn't run any modern day games that are on PS3 and 360 like they do.
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>>275100412
>Slightly Mad Studios: PS4 CPU slower than single PC cores
pretty sure it says single core of PS4 is weaker than high end PC single cores
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That's why you buy the PC versions of their games. So long as they're smart enough to make one.
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>>275106454
see
>>275106194
Yes, they could.
But launching a game and playing a game are 2 different things.
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>>275100730
How about dat Nintendo power right guys? GUYS?

Oh wait yeah this is Nintendogaf my bad.
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Honestly, I'd rather have 60fps over 1080p any day, because a game running at any resolution at 60fps still looks presentable compared to a 1080p game struggling and choking to remain above 20fps.
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>>275105247
inb4 yearly console launch

just give it 20 years.
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>>275100412
>make PS4 with the best graphic capabilities of any console
>still cant handle more than 30fps
literally what was the point of making the PS4 then?
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>>275106082
>that nitpicking
>Ignoring Konami, Capcom, Sony Japan Studio, Nintendo, Square Enix and Level 5

Too be fair those Japanese companies you mentioned are much smaller than your average western(or even Japanese) publisher, and those niche anime/japanese games have a much smaller user bases. They don't really have the resources to optimize little shit on their proprietary engines, and they don't really need either because the artstyle doesn't require it. Ideally they should buy licences for 3rd party engines, but that is a business decision, not programming one.

Japanese programming/software industry is definitely behind "the west"(mostly American). But when it comes to gaming(and embedded) they are not really that behind.
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>>275106735
Make money to keep Sony from going bankrupt
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>>275102113
>adding that "creep" in there for absolutely no reason
Yeah, dude was giving off pretty rapey vibes. I was crying and throwing up while typing this because I just didn't know if it was going to be safe to post it, but I don't want other women to be at risk because nobody is speaking out about him. I'm not saying it's all his fault. It's not. Dude's not well, he needs help. But that doesn't mean he can victimize others. Rape and sexual assault is never okay. Approaching a woman when she feels uncomfortable because of you is not okay. Just generally being a rapey creep because you think people will be too scared to come forward is not okay.

I've said my piece.
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>>275106735
Funny thing is that the PS4 is not that better than the PS3. It's closer to being the PS3.5 than it is to being a real PS4.
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>>275106785
> Konami, Capcom, Sony Japan Studio, Nintendo, Square Enix and Level 5
What you did is nitpicking. They're the exception, not the rule. Those are the only good jap devs. Everything else is complete shit when it comes to performance and graphics or just plain average like ATLUS
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>>275106972
I still don't understand the "power of the cell". Was the PS3 more powerful than the PS4 in someway?
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>>275106785
>Capcom
>Dragon's Dogma
Error 404: Programming Skills Not Found
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>actually read the links OP posted
>they have nothing to do with the claims
Planetside guy has a point but he also mentiones that the game itself uses a way too much of CPU

good thread guys
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>>275107030
>implying they don't fold their code over 10,000 times
>implying their code can't cut through steel
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>>275106194
>8600 GT (Really, HD 3850? Do you even know shit about PC hardware?)
More than you believe, but differently from you I'm not autistic.
I'm not going to remember benchmark of 10 year old GPUs and I don't give a flying fuck.


>You can't really compare them to PCs from 2005, since GPUs back then didn't have unified shaders.
You confirmed my point.
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>sony sacrifice quality to drop the price as much as possible
>still losing with each console sold
>even microsoft didn't full retard it up with their Christopher reeves controller
>Even microsoft made money
>sony sacrifice framerate to get graphics kiddies
>Sacrifice many elements of games and console for marketing reasons


> for the gamer
I'm glad i switched from consoles fully this gen, i mean microsoft had some good ideas with their whole game sharing and supporting devs by letting them get a share of pre-owneds but other parts of their model were fucked yet sony seem to of just relied on the microsoft hate bandwagon and cult like support to sell.


>you will never have this feeling again
>http://youtu.be/6aXFNtEm7Hc
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>>275106893
>being this much of a Sonygger
ELEVATED KEK

I find your transcendent stupidity entertaining.
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>>275106893
>Being this bothered.
kek
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>>275107164
I still use a 3870. Ask me anything
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>>275107164
>More than you believe, but differently from you I'm not autistic.
I can see that English is also not your first language, which doesn't surprise me.
And just so you know, the HD 3850 is not only much more powerful than the 360/PS3, it's also about 2 years younger, releasing in late 2007/early 2008.
>You confirmed my point.
What was your point?
I can concede that the 360 was ahead of its time, but by the time the PS3 released both consoles were stomped into the mud by the 8000 series.
Hell, the 8800 GTS, when paired with a decent CPU, performs nearly as well as the PS4 in some games.
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>>275107180
I'd say that consoles actually died with Dreamcast (and maybe PS2) moreso than with the PSX.
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>>275100748
This doens't apply to this generation.

x86 architecture is the most common and best known there is. There is 0 to really learn this time. They can offload more stuff to GPGPU in the future when they git gud, but this will only really be singular simulation type stuff, not controlling lots of variable thing.

Having a shit CPU was a bad, bad fucking idea.

Funnily enough though, such a shitty CPU means that emulation of PS4 and Xbone might actually be easier than PS3 emulation since it would be mostly GPU bound.
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>mfw my old piece of shit PC from years ago is STILL more powerful than the most powerful console of all time
A-A-At least I'll never have to upgrade for the next 9 years, right? ._.
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>>275107425
>Having a shit CPU was a bad, bad fucking idea.
Then why is i5 decent enough to run most PC games really fucking well?
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