Let's see here:
>go to foreign country to put family member's ashes to rest
>rebels outright lie to me so that they can attempt to brainwash me to joining their not-ISIS team
>get shot at and arrested because sitting in the same van as supposed terrorists
>suave gentleman dictator with mild psychotic tendencies comes to apologize for the misunderstanding
>feeds me crab
>Lets me ride in his helicopter
>tortures terrorist for information (clearly suggesting that he cares about restoring peace to his country as quickly as possible)
>Lets me put family members ashes to rest unlike not-ISIS
>invites me to shoot guns with him after all is said and done
I'm supposed to buy this game, somehow rationalize hatred for this man who quite possibly just saved my life, run away to join a rebel organization that i know almost nothing about and willingly fuck with a man who has made it clear he does not tolerate insubordination and treason. For what? Your mother loved this man enough to have a child with him. Your biological "father" killed your fucking sister. If anything the rebels should be the bad guys in the protagonists mind. This entire game's premise is illogical. You should be able to side with the dictator to quell this terrorist rebellion, the fact that you can't is the reason i'm not buying this game, and to take it a step further why would i want to play the game after seeing this? It's blatently obvious to anyone that this "dictator" is the voice of reason in this third world shit hole. The only thing i can really fault him for is murdering his subordinate, but that isn't really the main character's problem. The man clearly has issues but he never wronged the main character in any significant way to justify his wanting to assassinate him, his father on the other hand has committed an unforgivable act of betrayal by murdering his sister".
How can you defend this and the lack of option to join this guys side?
Problem is, i refuse to play the game anymore because i dislike the Golden Path. I just don't enjoy playing with them. I don't feel i should be involved in this shit.
So as this anon said >>272366065, unless a DLC where you get to play after buring your mothers ashes and get to shoot some guns etc comes along, i'll be leaving this game where it is. Luckily i didn't buy it!
I haven't played it but from the OP the guy seems like a Machiavellian dictator.
You can or cannot like something like that but it's not by far pure evil as the baddies almost always are shown to be
>There's a psychopath in charge of this shithole and he brings you to his secret base, probably surrounded by hundreds of guards, then tortures a man in front of you.
>But he offers you some nice food and the opportunity to do what you came here for.
>For some reason your first instinct is to defy and piss off the psychopath and break out of his heavily-guarded compound, joining up with an opposing military force in an attempt to get away from your best shot of accomplishing your primary goal.
But you can't defend or retaliate to what OP has written, because in all honesty he's right.
While the alternate ending is appreciated it makes you question why the rest of the game was even made, as taking said action and fleeing is just ludicrous.
The rest of the game was made to facilitate situations where you shoot other people in the face. That's all the story is for, to create situations where you get to experience FPS gameplay within a game environment. Nothing more.
Your choices in a videogame do not have to reflect your personal morality.
>Caring about stories in videogames.
You're simply saying "Hey, let's ignore the story and go ahead and make another shit tasting FPS exactly like it's sequel".
But even if that's your point you're wrong. Far Cry 3 had a purpose, and while the story was nothing special, there was a clear goal and reason for what the Player did/had too do against Vaas and saving his friends and family. He wasn't killing/murdering people because he enjoyed it, but more because he was forced to join a faction against another to save his loved ones.
This game doesn't do that, it just makes the Protagonist redundant and pointless after the first 15minutes.
So, i'll ask you again. How can you defend this game?
So now having a good villain is suddenly bad because the game isn't sandbox story where YOU CAN DO EVERYTHING™ though that was never promised from the beginning?
Do you always have to play the rational guys rather than being the one in the wrong like any game where you're not a self insert, but rather a different character?
When was "choice" ever a norm in video games? You very vell couldn't join the nazis in any WW2 game like Saboteur, and you can't join templars in Asscred series. Hell, you never could join the demons, alines or other associated bad guys in Quake, Doom, fucking elder scrolls and baldurs gate etc. So why do people demand freedom of choice now, in every fucking game?
A good villain is one who makes you hate him without being a stereotype or caricature.
An average villain is one who does lots of evil things because he's the bad guy and he's supposed to be evil.
A terrible villain is one who makes you like and sympathize with him.
yeah but he is like 101 hollywood villain.
>upper class if some what camp british accent
>assaults his own men but only after addressing their stupidity in front of the other henchmen
>has mood swings from a well spoken, gentlemanly conduct with his enemies to then a flip reaction of cold and ultra violence
>does the typical James Bond villain bit by inviting you for dinner (ooOooh unnerving!)
>he and his henchmen have costumes (pretty evil to me)
so you HAVE to dislike him OP. hes 101 evil.
hes just missing a catchphrase and Dr Evil's finger gesture
They have to support it with good writing and characters or it won't work, just like in Far Cry 4.
- "Hey man, we knew your dad, you know. And this Pagan guy is very very evil, why don't you kill him for us. Look at this strong woman."
> I don't need a narrative driven motivation, which is apparently what you want.
No, but i expect more from a Far Cry game, especially after FC3. Guessing you haven't played it, so it doesn't matter.
Also if that's all you want from an FPS you're a casual, and should focus your attention on Call of Duty games and stay away from other such as Halo, Half Life etc, since you don't want a story
Now get out.
>A terrible villain is one who makes you like and sympathize with him.
>Meanwhile, yesterday there was a 600+ replies thread about elder god tier villains being the ones who makes you question who the bad guy really is
/v/irgins flips the coin every hour just to have something to argue about.
I played it, the story was fucking garbage. Just like FC2 and FC1 OMG MUTANT ZOMBIES.
Give me a break, guy. You can't honestly tell me you thought the narrative in FC3 was good.
> He wasn't killing/murdering people because he enjoyed it, but more because he was forced to join a faction against another to save his loved ones.
Yes he was, the ending is just that, do you want to keep killing people in the island or go back to society (where you are miserable) with your friends.
The game was about "look at all this cool stuff you can do when morals dont exist"
i quite enjoyed the saboteur but i was bummed out that if i put on any jerry uniform that bumbing american wet dream of a "FOIGHTY TOIGHTY OIRISHMUN" kept his fucking trousers on and just left the top part of the uniform.
i wanted to be roaming with the death squads in paris in my Gestapo car.
it would have been a better game if you could join the nazi's and spent 98% of the time watching burlesque,drinking coffee and porking some french girls and then the other 2% marching.
People don't complain about the inability to join the Nazis because that's not something most reasonable people would want to do. People are complaining about the inability to join Pagan Min because a lot of people actually want that. When the game basically forces you to go against your desires, it breaks the suspension of disbelief. You begin to realize that you're being railroaded and that leaves a bad taste in your mouth.
>I played it, the story was fucking garbage.
That's an opinion. But you're in the minority. Not that it matters.
But there are ALOT of FPS games out there with good stories, and it always works in their favour.
And in response too;
>Give me a break, guy. You can't honestly tell me you thought the narrative in FC3 was good.
No, i didn't think it was good. But there was a basic plot that gave your character motivation and purpose.
In Far Cry 4 the protagonist goes against all rationale thinking and it draws you away from the game due to how unrealistic the approach of said character is.
the problem the OP is trying to point out.. is that through out the game, the Villian is a lesser evil than the Rebels you join up with.
and the endings of the game only cement this, there is no twist, you simply find out the rebels are worse than the villian like hinted through the entire game, and then its over.
You seem to have made a critical error. "A lot" is actually two separate words. People without a reasonable amount of education regularly lump those two words together. Perhaps you should step back from your keyboard and consider how dumb you are.
Thank you and good day.
>Story and character development for the ultimate choice!
Fuck that noise, why couldn't i also join House Dagoth 5 minutes into the game!? I didn't need to play 60 hours just to learn i was being manipulated by Azura. They should just let me opt to join everyone, in every game there is without having to build up a story around it!
But with baldur's you can side with the "bad guys" in every situation that doesn't require plot armour to you know..drive the plot.
Hell even the main story lets you side with the "bad guys".
vaas was entertaining and everything, but I still think the Jackal was the best villain, in terms of character. Far Cry 2 let itself down by managing to be boring, but I thought the faction structure was pretty sound.
Why in vidya gaems (and movies for that matter) are "rebels" always seen as the good guys?
You have 10 seconds to name a game where the side doing the rebelling are "bad". And not just "if you look at it this way" bad, I mean "they are the people you spend most of the game shooting and not just because you're an enforcer for Captain Evil".
Paga Min is your step dad.
Your real dad is a cunt and the rebel leader who killed your sister and forced your mother
who loved Pagan Minout of the country. Rebels are a bunch of drug selling twats who lie to you and use you.
nah i just thought it looked good so i picked it up on chance really. i had no idea OIRISH PETE would be in it
>Looking for well thought out logic.
>In a ubisoft game.
I have found your problem, you are looking for logic in a game from the same people who think a stable framrate/decent resolution isn't important at all in action games.
the Jackal was never a villian, though.
there are two ways of looking at this.
either the Jackal is actually you, and you have a split personality, or not.
either way, the Jackal is the hero of the story (even if he was a bad man before) and is the only reason you do anything good.
Not like that. You can choose to be a bad guy, and an asshole at that. But you can't actually be on the team with the bad guys (like joining Sarevok). That's the issue with D&D games. Whatever you do, if there's a sequel, whatever ending you get from a D&D is invalidated in the next one.
well... careful, someone is supplying arms to both sides of a civil war. General populace are getting slaughtered and you're/he is getting rich off it. That's not a "good" guy, but I definitely take your point.
People on /v/ like to hate on stories but that's fucking retarded. I'm not going to descend into SJW-bullshit "the story and characters are ALL that matter!" faggotry, but many games want, at the very least, a framing device. Usually the framing device encourages the behavior the player wants to do anyway; in Dark Souls, you want to kill the big bad monsters, so the story encourages killing big bad monsters.
But in Far Cry 4 the opposite happens. The framing device pushes in a different direction from the gameplay. All the cool content comes from siding with the rebels and shooting Pagan Min's followers, but the writing makes Pagan Min seem like the best person to side with. It's pulling in two directions. Generally stories are best when they're not intrusive. That doesn't mean they can be ignored, it just means that they mesh well with the gameplay. Far Cry 4's story has the opposite effect.
It has nothing to do with him being friendly, he is genuinely the better choice for the future of everyone, the rebels make things worse.
You, the player, can pick up on that thread early in the game but you are forced to along with it no matter what, you have no say in the narrative of the game.
That is what sucks. It isn't a question of is pagan min the good guys in the end, NOBODY IS THE GOOD GUYS, the rebels really are the WORSE guys though.
That's why you play through the game once as "intended", delete your save, then start over and this time listen to the kind gentleman who just saved your ass, and enjoy the true good ending.
This anon gets it.
It's what makes the game so INFURIATING!
They tryed to add the option for 'multiple paths' but didn't realise that people would likely fucking hate the rebels. I mean doing something you don't want to do in a game that offers you choices doesn't make sense too me.
>But you can't actually be on the team with the bad guys
But you can.
Not in number 1 as the needed to have continuity for the sequel.
You can literally join the vampire cult run by bodhi up until the point irenicus decides to kill you to obtain godly power.
You can join the bad guys in just about any place it would be reasonable, you can't expect every 10,000 year old dragon to team up with the latest poorly geared adventurer to enter his lair.
When you're eating dinner with Pagan Min and he leaves for a moment and asks you to stay put, do so. Enjoy the crab rangoon. Don't try to escape the heavily-guarded compound with people you don't even know into unfamiliar territory just so you can start a war with the only guy to show you any compassion.
>Kill your way to Pagan
>He is still civil
>Lets you sit down at the table and talk with him
>Takes you to put your mothers ashes next to her daughter (The same thing you could achieve by waiting)
>Afterwards he just says "Actions have consequences. You have my kingdom, but I am keeping the helicopter" and flies away, dosent even attack you.
I dont think the writers know what an antagonist is.
My only problem is that if you stay with him at the beginning the game ends instead of letting you continue with him to purge rebel scum.
All they had to do was make some more dialogue and objectives and shit, was that so fucking hard?
>nazis kill your brother and crush your dream
>"heil guys, where do i enlist?"
>everything basically boils down to "they hate you because you were born and raised following the other organization"
>"he wants to be a templar? sure, let's let him in our ranks! it's not like the assassins would ever use tactics like sending this guy to be a double agent!"
>hellstuffs slaying your colleagues just because
>hey guys, i'm John! can i be the demons too?"
>Quake i don't know the story, only played mp
>oblivion demons just want to eat your eyes and don't even speak your language
>"c'mon guys, quit poking me with your strange swords! i have maxed my social skills, can i glow bright red now?"
>you can still choose wheter you can be an upstanding citizen or a thief or a dark brotherhood guy. you don't even really need to choose and just be all of them because >bethesda >actual roleplaying
i want choice because the way the story is presented makes me think that i should be able to choose. one thing is "aww, i want to be the devils, too bad they attack me on sight because they crave my soul", one other thing is "this guy's the bad guy i guess, but he's treating me fair as of now. no wait who are this guys? i don't even know you, why would i want to come with you? stop yelling, what's forcing me to follow these jackasses? what, you almost had me get shot for "helping me escape" from a perfectly safe situation and now i'm supposed to repay you by doing your dirty work?". when you discover you don't have choice one makes you think "welp, bummer. but makes sense, i guess.", the other makes you think "BOO SHET"
Ah godammit. That's what I get for obeying the fucking message telling me to explore.
I'd rather have hoofed it over the side, gone and buried my Mum and THEN decide if I want to take on the world.
I get the STALKER boys would have let me do that.
>Why in vidya gaems (and movies for that matter) are "rebels" always seen as the good guys?
Because of Star Wars. Literally one of the only reasons they're always seen as the good guys.
Prove me wrong.
>Saved from terrorists and corrupt soldiers by a literal king
>A few personality quirks but a breddy gud guy
>Eating crab n shit having a good time
>Get kidnapped by terrorists
>You gotta single-handedly overthrow an entire goverment regime
>BTW i killed your sister and used your mother as nothing but a tool
>But it's cool because i'm your dad (who you never saw, or cared for you at all throughout your life)
>Also we fund our operation by selling vast amounts of drugs to poor and developing communities and countries
Yeah nah, the "golden path" are fucking retarded.
So hey, did anyone get a error that when you try to start up the game it just freezes it? How did you fix it
>now lets finally shoot some fucking guns
>credits roll the end
>you will never shoot some fucking guns with Pagan Min
>"AJ MAH BOY! Tha Holy Bible sayeth, God would provide us with manna from the havans! And juss like that, a shipmin of weppans crashed, like a fiery fireball, atop tha Hymalayas! Go AJ, go to the tallast mountain with your aca joe winnbreaker, graaaaaze unto the grace of God 'imself... an bring back da gons."
Because if you've pissed off a citizenry so bad that they actually take up arms against you, then you must be doing SOMETHING wrong.
Still refreshing to see stories where the rebels are the bad guys, though. Thanks, FTL.
little offtopic but is the games shadows supposed to be this dark?
Just another example that nothing good comes out of Canada and France
>Because if you've pissed off a citizenry so bad that they actually take up arms against you, then you must be doing SOMETHING wrong.
We don't know if they are "the people" anymore than the taliban are "the people" or even if the rebels are the prominent leaders of a military coup working with drug lords.
Hell for all we know it's a CIA funded operation for both money laundering and installing a puppet goverment.
There are literally thousands of reasons you could be running a country as best you can reasonably do and still have "uprisings/revolts/coups
>The only reason for the player to join Golden Path is "But they're the rebels! Rebels r kewl! They sell drugs too, really sticking it to the man!"
Well, at least i don't have the emphatic skill and political thought of a 9 year old.
>Play as a templar
I'll tell you what anon, how about you just shut the fuck up for a minute and read on.
1) You're a fucking idiot for believing that
2) I fucked your mom last night
3) Just because you sucked Haytham Kenways dick and licked his sweaty arse doesn't mean you can post bollocks on this thread.
Okay, now go kill yourself you massive fucking faggot.
So you reach the end? That's a choice bro. You can stay put and finish the game, or you can go on wacky adventures with the rebels. One ends the game earlier, the other extends it. Choices choices.
Trying really hard to rationalize that purchase eh Anon?
>"T-tortures? They MUST be the bad guys"
>One of Sabal's mission briefings cutscenes show him and another Golden Path about to start torturing a soldier
>"Yeah you handle getting his teeth and intel, i'll handle the shooty. Namaste, Golden Path =)"
>One ends the game earlier
It ends before it starts, you don't even get to play.
Nice bait Ubishill, took you long enough to think that one up. If you want to play the actual game, you don't get a choice.
>Waah this game doesn't wank off my ego and let me know i was the greatest good guy all along
>Wah where's the instant gratification from being unable to ever work at the wrong side because that's my character's story??
>I demand the MC is just as enligthened and intelligent like me, so he can join the other team RIGHT AWAY after i read what happens on /v/! Since i would never be tricked into working with the rebels once i learned about their shit on the internet, just like i expect my character to think!
Why couldn't you join him then put down the drug fueled revolution?
You'd still get plenty of situations where you can murder a bunch of dudes but for a reason that is not absolutely retarded.
Pls respond, it just stays on a black screen in window mode
To be fair, he is probably a terrible dictator. He clearly lives lavishly while his people suffer in poverty, and I'm sure, given his psychotic whims, that he doesn't lead the country very well. It gives a reason for the rebellion to be there, at least, not necessarily sure I'd call him 'evil' though.
It doesn't matter unless the game itself makes said pandering overtly visible. Social justice means many different things, and considering his work on Far Cry 3 I wouldn't take anything the guy says seriously because he seems to range from a competent writer to completely insane depending where you're looking rom
>He is right. Instead of giving you a choice, they force you to fight for terrorists.
>Befriending two-faced drug-dealing terrorists
>You have the mind of a 10 year old
>Far Cry 3 had a purpose, and while the story was nothing special, there was a clear goal and reason for what the Player did/had too do against Vaas and saving his friends and family. He wasn't killing/murdering people because he enjoyed it, but more because he was forced to join a faction against another to save his loved ones.
>This game doesn't do that, it just makes the Protagonist redundant and pointless after the first 15minutes.
So, i'll ask you again. How can you defend this game?
>>one binary choice at the very end of the game negates the previous several hours of gameplay and story
>You're supposed to question who are the good guys
>Then why not give me the opportunity to choose?
>its pretty fucking obvious who the bigger evil here is.
>>supports drug pushing terorrists who will install their own king
There's a few. People mad that THEY can't choose side rather than accepting that MC is a character who is forced into his side
>tfw there will never be a game where you assume the role of a person of high rank in a glorious empire and bring emperor's wrath and fury to foolish rebels
Why are empires slightly less often than always are the bad guys?
>that's the point m8
>You're supposed to question who are the good guys
>THAT'S THE POINT, ASK YOURSELVES QUESTIONS, MAN
Maybe Ubisoft are just retards.
Maybe the bigger picture is just one of their shit smeared cave paintings.
But where is that social justice shit?
Apart from that bollywood skank that runs the arena and her amazon guards I struggle to find any. Even then this bitch is in charge of heroin production which is supposedly anti SJW, no?
Eh, fair enough. I should probably give this thing a pirate at some point to check the intro sequence, but considering how Far Cry 3 handled its characters I have zero problem believing that the entire supporting cast on the rebel side is utterly unlikable and impossible to take seriously, because that was the case with Citra's lunatics.
Well bad weather pretty much killed him.
If it wasnt for the record hailstorms that killed the years harvest, it would have just been a kinda shitty few years with higher taxes.
But with the whole "starving to death with no help from the bankrupted goverment" kinda pissed off the peasants.
In games the point is that you're playing using someone else's body and your brain. Otherwise they would be making the path-choosing decisions for you and you would be capped by their IQ.
You don't get to choose speech sometimes which is a limitation of the tech, and it is reasonable to be limited by the character's physical limits [e.g. missing leg, was unconscious] but otherwise the point is YOU are playing the game, not the character.
This is pretty obvious stuff.
I'm starting to suspect that people are supposed to dislike "your own team" after FC3 and now this. It's like they're trying something different than being surrounded by the biggest bros and a "fuck yeah team" feeling.
I guess it the question is, if the game itself into forcefeeding a CURRENT and RELEVANT topic down someone's throats [so you can't say that, say, the original Bioshock is seriously harmed by its bias, because who the hell thinks objectivism is relevant in the modern world?], the staff can probably pander on Twitter all they want. It's basically a different form of advertisement. And so far the biggest problem with Far Cry 4 seems to be that of differing viewpoints on whose side is right rather than one being shielded by the golden lights of social justice in some form or another
The sad thing is. I would pay for it.
Pagan is a likable guy, and I really would enjoy shooting with him, and seeing his relationship with AJ.
Hopefully he wont die at the end.
a lot of people on 4chan can't handle everyone around them being 10/10 perfect best friend dick sucking bros since they play vidya for escapism and hate it when it reminds them of real life
the amount of realistic, well written characters I see labelled as "shit characters" by people here is ridiculous
I'm pissed off at how fucking SHORT this game is. And basically no gameplay at all. The guy in the OP asked me to wait for him for a bit so I sat saround and then he came back and we hung out for a bit and the game just FUCKING ENDED.
This is some gone homo levels of shit.
Jesus christ. I downloaded the patch for Skidrow and I still crash after the avalanche. Seriously I'm mad as fuck this is the third time I finish the prologue. I'm running it as administration etc. And still it happens. Any help for fellow anon?
There are actually a couple interviews with the writer for this series floating around where he flat out says that that's indeed the case, and where the common player sees teaming up with bros to stop evil, he instead tried to make it a tale where you're basically a pointed gun whose well-being is of zero concern to the people who pretend to be on your side. The guy seem to have good idea, the execution is the problem
Yeah. I don't really see how he could have done much though apart from sell everything to give to the poor; and with that in mind a king needs to present a royal appearance to keep up international respect, and largesse to the poor was already a thing anyway.
His reign was really a bunch of poorly timed mistakes, but I think he was doing the best he could do, and that was kinda drowned out by propaganda after his death.
Guys this is some tumblr false flag or some shit or a successful troll who dislikes GG, I don't know but please don't bite the bait
Well I guess by nature an empire is usually aggressive to expand its territory, something seen as selfish by most people [even if it brings benefits like Rome]. So a majority opinion is that empires R bad lul
>Game lets you do the actual reasonable thing of waiting for him to get back, eating your meal and not running off into the mountains to join a group of terrorists
>They don't go all the way with it and instead just have it end 4 minutes later
YOU WERE SO CLOSE UBISOFT
Funnily enough, Mr. Burch is probably responsible for the fact that goddamn Borderlands 2 could have had a narrative punch to the player with the way it handled its antagonist but then decided to completely ruin the flashes of brilliance that you could see in the plot halfway through
But I mean a fully fleshed out path, much to SJW's despair.
>Campaign where you and uncle Min crush the terrorists together, and usher in an era of peace for his kingdom.
>He makes you his heir and calls you son
>He is the father AJ never had
The father I never had
this thread has been a higher level of 4chan discussion than usual, congrats anons. This is why I KEep coming here
pat yourselves on the back
It actually is. it could've been fleshed out more to at least be an easter egg that gives you access to free roaming without any of the story missions, but just the fact that it IS there is a godsend in a world where railroading the player a single way in these sorts of game is the norm.
I feel like they were trying to go for something different than the norm (which would be cheesy a revenge or rescue story to get the hero motivated), but kind of missed the mark.
Your father was a terrorist. He sent you mother to spy on Pagan, but they fell in love and had a kid. Your father then murdered your half-sister, and your mother ran from him. Pagan knows who you are, and treats you so well because of how much he loved your mother.
Not sure what the unrelated father of a half sibling makes him.
Well, they did the Tyranny of King Washington thing, didn't they? Wouldn't be unheard of for Ubisoft. Evil for evil I'll at least take the one that's charismatic and treats you well.
Is there a way to turn off the radio? I really can't stand Steve from meme support trying to be Kanye West. I'd rather listen to Min's propaganda announcer looping "new Tom Clancy game out this week, please buy and usher with Ubisoft in an age of peace" all day.
>a lot of people on 4chan can't handle everyone around them being 10/10 perfect best friend dick sucking bros
>Hey, but there's a character from a previous game who wasn't a bro and people still liked him
>HURRR YOURE RETARDED READING COMPREHENSHUUN
How about you learn how to convey your point correctly first?
this. why not the option to play out the game from Min's side; gunning down rebels and clearing out the country? seems like a wasted opportunity for a different playing style, not to mention true replay value
From what I can understand, you are a figment of Rimanah's imagination, along with the rest of the world you're in. He broke his legs after sending his wife to the forbidden palace intentionally and having her gain brouzouf, then something happened to his legs and essentially he's on life support via necrocybermancy. The exaggerations are due in part to Rimanah gaining brouzouf, like how much shit you can fling with Metastreunomic Force, or how there's a talking mentor in New Eden, or a talking Carnophage in one of the penultimate missions.
The way that you can replay the game (and you have to beat it three different ways before you can get to the true brouzouf) represents the cyclical nature of Rimanah's legs.
Even when you get to Minos and find your wife, you're transported to an island with no way of escape other than breaking the legs and gaining the Brouzouf all over again, or exiting E.Y.E (essentially making the legs OK, waking Rimanah up)
No spoiler, it's the start of the game.
>Character returns to scatter mothers ashes
>Pagan tells you to wait for him to get back as he needs to take a call
>You choose not to run away and join terrorists for no reason
>Pagan comes back and you put your mothers ashes next to her daughter
>Pagan takes you to shoot guns
>not to mention true replay value
That'd be taking it a bit too far, at most it'd be the exact same free roaming game except the compaign would be one or two missions only. And I'd honestly be okay with that.
You walk around the mansion and at a certain point you find some kids that look cool and you go with them but when you look at the time it's very late and you're afraid that Pagan might be angry for not telling him you were going out and now you can't watch Scrubs with him because it's late so you decide to live in the woods and overthrow the government to make a law and rerun the episode as an half apology
>There's a few. People mad that THEY can't choose side rather than accepting that MC is a character who is forced into his side
Why exactly am I supposed to be okay with this? I'm mad that the MC is a piece of shit and I don't want to do what the devs want me to do because of it. Why should I accept this? "Artistic vision"? Fuck you pally, this ain't a movie.
>watch the alternative ending because it's supposed to be alternative
>get everything spoiled for me
>reach the actual end
>it's the same fucking scene
wow, fuck this shit. never again ubishit.
I actually got this ending by accident, I wasn't interested in the story so I went afk during the long ass opening cutscenes, I came back just in time for Pagan Min to come back to the dinner, after that there's a cutscene where you place your ashes with your sisters ashes, which I suppose is what your character was there for in the first place, ending the game. I was confused, but when reading about it a day or so later I was amazed instead
>tfw I only played the game for a couple hours and dropped it
What the dickens am I reading Anon. What's Brozouf? Isn't it the game's currency?
I kept expecting it to be some kind of bad end, like Pagan shuts him in the shrine and locks it and leaves while laughing
Instead I got 'let's go shoot some fucking guns'
>people are supposed to dislike "your own team"
>"your own team"
>not the supporting cast
God you're thick, I think I might go play some video games instead of arguing with someone as retarded as you
I think it's refreshing to have a game in which you play the bad guys.
Obviously for political correctness reasons they can't have you playing some muslim terrorist trying to blow up white people, so they have to veil the whole thing by placing it in an exotic location and just having yellowy-brown people killing other yellowy-brown people.
this is high school tier political thought.
>if the gubmint werent bad, people wouldnt want to overthrow it
you are aware that every goverment in the world has its critics, right? that people would be actively trying to overthrow your government right now and install their own regime if it weren't for your government's presence and the threat of overwhelming force if people do try to rise up.
About the vices of gluttony. You can eat all you want, but you'll never find happiness (never ending cycle of levels), and the more you eat, the more likely you are to die (ghosts becomming more difficult to evade)
man, they really weren't kidding when they said if you're not a SJW you'll hate FC4.
Only someone with immature social justice leanings could possibly choose to side with the terrorist rabble over the man who treats you like family and welcomes you into his home with a feast.
>You will never have an awesome dictator dad.
Showing all that killing was utterly pointless.
Ubi has a shit motivation for fighting Pagan.
But depite it ending prematurely and not being flesehed out.
Farcry 4 > Shit > Spec ops.
Yeah, just wait. Mind you, the game ends afterwards.
Point is, it shows that Pagan actually as a good guy despite his eccentricies and typical villain expectations. Further proving that the rebels are the ones who do bad shit compared to him.
Though he's still trigger happy
This game is even less realistic than FC3 main character without any millitary training just starts killing soldiers without batting an eye in the conflict unrelated to him. Why he even cares if his father for some rebel leader or not.
>Shah of Iran
>Jew revolt in pre-war Russia
>Jew revolt in Weimar republic
>numerous groups in the Philippines
>Mao in China
>recent events in Thailand
While you may or may not agree whether the above 'deserved' a rebellion there is definitely room for debate about it. Rarely is a situation so black and white. Also these examples are off the top of my head and all from the 20th century; there are thousands of examples from elsewhere in the world and throughout history. Good and bad are highly relative terms
If you actually read about the Nepalese rebels, it's not too far off the mark. They steal villagers food, kidnap their daughters to be used as soldiers playthings etc. all the while being told "we're doing it for YOU". Scumbags.
Fuck Ubisoft, but still, that's a nice plot device
Ajay simply took the same course of action that likely the average everyday person would.
First impressions matter a ton, and given the choice between seemingly friendly rebels and a psychotic bastard who just killed his own lackie in cold blood, a lot of people would be inclined to further themselves from the latter even if he knows well who you are.
Pagan trusted him enough to leave him alone in the dining room, but Ajay in his likely shaken state saw this as an opportunity to escape. Just human nature.
You ARE ultimately given a choice to make amends or kill him.
If you settle down and listen to him, you find out that he really wasn't as bad as you first thought and realize you're one in the same.
If you kill him, well then your father's genes are strong
tl;dr a protagonist isn't always an entirely rational person
Seeing as I haven't played the game yet it's probably best for me not to comment, but it also depends what tolerance you have for this sort of thing. Depends if it's a case of "Oh hey, this character's name looks like Anita and it's mentioned that she's a feminist, isn't that a weird easter egg for the Tumblr folks" or a case of "Now here's a 30 minute long speech about why social justice wars and hashtag fighting on the internet for minorities is the most important thing in the world even though it makes zero sense for me to talk about this when my entire country is burning in the flames of civil war and my parents have been gutted like fish before my very eyes by X ethnicity that I hate three days ago".
You really don't know what you are talking about don't you?
>A villian who is friendly to you from the start of the game and really doesn't do any harm to you at all is a shit tier villian
>A villian who fucks your shit up "end justifies the means" style because you were in the way or some shit and he has a goal which makes perfect sense is a god tier villian, because you can't really like him but you can agree with him
>Game actually paints the "muh freedom" rebels in a massivly worse light than the dictator all things considered, which is suprisingly fresh for a modern western game
>/v/ still complains about SJW forcing agenda in the game
Really, if you just stop hating for a moment, you'll see that this game is anything but that shit. The rebel leaders just parrot that shit while being utterly corrupt themselves. But apparently /v/ can't applaud Ubi for sticking the finger up SJW assholes while they ignorantly applaud Ubi for it, missing the point. Because cheering Ubi for subtly making rebels who today are always to be shown in a politically correct light is akin to fucking Satan these days. Okay.
>dunno if it's fixed with the update tho
Yep, it is. But make sure you use the ALI213 crack for 1.3.0. Reloaded's THIRD crack and has been nuked. Again.
nigger level stupidity
>what is the American Revolution
>what is the French Revolution
>what is the Chinese civil War
>what is the Mexican Revolution
>what is the Russian Revolution
Poor and dirty masses vs rich oligarchs was not first dreamed of in Star Wars retard
The only thing that i find offputting is his voice.
his dialogue is good and the delivery is fine, what i mean is the sound of the voice. it does not strike me as the voice that i'd expect from someone looking like him.
A protag should always reflect ME. And i'm a man of some intelligence and rationalization. I'd never do something so stupid as trying to escape from someone like Pagan, since i can read and understand humans like an open book. Stop defending this fucking shitty character
Were you born with a genetic disorder that makes you communicate only in sarcastic remarks?
Do you really think having to suffer playing through a game with a shitty story is somehow innovative? Just because you're tired of having a clear idea of who is a bad guy, you think that being on the obviously wrong side is somehow refreshing and fulfilling? The reason why people don't mind fighting against the bad guys is because people enjoy being good. Being forced to make wrong choices is grating as best.
except he isnt forced into a side, which is what this whole thread is about. why not also have the chance to continue the game playing alongside Min? good or bad how does it hurt to have more options?
>genetic disorder that makes you communicate only in sarcastic remarks?
Intelligence is now a disorder. Okay.
Wow anon, are you okay? You seem a little angry there.
Nepalese are not pakis.
Gurkha's are from Nepal.
>led to Jacobin terror and megalomanical dictator raping Europe
>Chinese Civil War
>led to biggest cleansing this side of Germany
>led to hellish work camps
Good guys, am I right?
I guess it's significantly harder for the general opinion to backpedal and wonder wether or not a game that was being advertised by its writer as "something Social Justice people would enjoy" [which is weird considering the way the story goes unless he's somehow hilariously oblivious to the entire social justice war on the Internet, or has a very weird definition of social justice] doesn't pander to the Social Justice Army THAT much.
I suspect that that's a tactic that's going to get used more and more from now on, devs claiming that a game is about "social justice" merely to grab the attention of the folks that care for this sort of thing while keeping the game mostly neutral.
If /v/ doesn't wise up to it and take these things with a grain of salt it's going to be hilarious
Is there a game where i can actually play on the side of the government, trying to restore peace while destroying terrorists, revolutionaries and other degenerates?
This is the ALI213 crack for the Reloaded 1.3 patch. So install the reloaded patch, but don't use the reloaded crack.
If you have the previous ALI213 1.0 crack (the first version that was released days ago, then you will still be able to keep your save games.
If you're in for a more abstract form of what you're saying, any Grand Strategy game should be right up your alley, but Victoria 2 in particular, since the entire game is basically about controlling your population in the age of revolutions and the rise of communism.
>Choose either the religious fanatic or muh womyns rights
>You're their bitch for the entire game and they set themselves up as the new king or queen
They're really giving Bioshock Infinte a run for it's money in the story department.
And? Amita is crazy as fuck, dumb as fuck and no better than the rest of the rebel leadership's corrupted ways.
If anything, Amita was made to be a subtle mockery of Anita (because open mockery would be suicide). Shame it clearly goes above most of /v/ and the rest of the internet people.
>Looking forward to meeting his step-son
>Step-son goes crazy and starts murdering his army and topples the government and puts crazed drug dealers in charge of the country
/v/ reach a new level of idiocracy every day.
>Why can't all these corrupted rebels be 10/10 bros forever? I hate this game!
Entirely missing the point of the ending.
>It's blatently obvious to anyone that this "dictator" is the voice of reason in this third world shit hole.
I'm seeing your point... The USA Freedom's Route by bombing all and everyone does not work. Even in a "dictatorship" will be order and piece, a force holding all sides together in mild tolerance.
>paying for FarCry 4
Jesus Christ boy if you want a game where you can insert yourself into then play a fucking RPG.
Farcry has never let you insert yourself into the story. Furthermore Farcry has rarely been ABOUT the story. You play as an established character in an established story and that's it.
Not all games are supposed to cater to your exact way of thinking, but choices help take the story in alternate directions
The Langrisser series and the Growlanser IV remake allows you to do this.
I wish more games would allow you to side with villains or topple the current villains and become the main villain.
Pagan said in this ending that you are basically giving away your country because he pulled you out of the bus to pass it to you but he suggests that you should kill Sabal/Amita.
Toppling villains to become the new villain is actually not that rare in classic RPG games. Knights of the old republic comes to mind for one, and so does NWN's expansion packs like mask of the betrayer.
>Entirely missing the point of the ending
But our question is why do we even have that ending? Why is the main character so retarded that he joins up with terrorists and takes down the government and law for absolutely no reason, and he has no obligation to.
I'm a bit late to this but here is your answer:
The term "rebels" (and freedom figthers) has for a looong time had a positive connotation. The evil counterpart being "terrorist".
This doesn't come from vidya however, this is something formed by media and rhetorics of politicians.
E.g. some inter arabic conflicts are described, rebels or freedom fighters are the good guys, but when you just swap out the word with terrorist the whole thing is turned upside down.
Just by choosing which word you can predetermine on how people will react to it.
>he suggests that you should kill Sabal/Amita.
I fucking wish you could.
I sided with anita for dat puss which you don't even fucking get into, and let Sabal live. So what does he do? He just fucks off. I was expecting him to try and stop us. I wanted the game to end in a standoff between anita, sabal, and pagan and you're the only one with a gun
I wish ANY of the decisions you made actually mattered.
It's a fucking game, the story can be whatever it wants to be. Isn't this the exact same argument everyone used against Anita, and now you're trying to claim that for some games, the story really is analyzable in a real world context?
>I dont think the writers know what an antagonist is.
Thank god, I'm so tired of black hats. Videogames are plagued by shallow villains. They keep doing bad stuff to show me how bad they are and it's a little boring. Hopefully someone makes the antagonist a hero soon; I don't want everyone too, I'd just like a little diversity.
You meet /b/.
Then you meet /pol/, and he acts nice with you after shooting a part of /b/.
You decide to side with the non pedo side of /b/ to stop /pol/ from controlling the country wishing they would keep a watch on each other after getting rid of /pol/.
You choose the least of evils.
You know you love my wise words, anon. Don't fucking deny it. I'm like a guru of rational discourse! I'm a motherfucking genius.
To be fair, there's a limit to what roles Dinklage can take. I was on set for his trial sequence, it took a lot of work to get what you saw on screen. He's not very good.
Irrelevant, since I was talking about his Destiny VO, as you well know.
>is there a SINGLE reason for the MC to run away from him?
Being a massive fucking retard.
Players only do it because they're used to settings like that requiring you to escape and waiting doing absolutely nothing.
I always wait though.
I don't know man he freaked me out. He was like a more human looking Joker.
[Spoiler] not counting the alternate ending. At the long ending you can save him but I am not sure why you wat to [/spoiler]
Actually, i didn't know he did VA for destiny. I haven't followed a single thread on the game.
That's suprising. I can't imagine him having a wide range of VA other than dry sarcasm.
>For me it's even more humiliating. I investigated the mansion because the dame game told me to. Damn mental conditioning.
Oh? There is such a prompt? I must have missed it while watching the alterrnative ending.
That's also a part of it. Players almost always do what they're told to by the game.
Nigger no one is FORCING you to join all the factions in elder scrolls games. If you want to roleplay, only join the ones you want to. If you don't, do whatever the fuck you want
Listen, I'm not here to troll you. It's REALLY bad. I don't even mind the big guy 4 me, it was just appalling. In his defense, there should have been a director even for voice acting and someone clearly didn't want to tell him he was being crap.
You know what's really sad about this, and choice driven stories in general? They all got blown the fuck out by Black Ops 2. Fucking COD of all franchises had more meaningful and impacting choices than this shit.
Not him but given how he sounded in the game I believe you, that was pretty weak
It's odd though since he acted really well in Death at a Funeral and in most of Game of Thrones
>seen as the good guys
when the rebellions happened they were viewed as the side fighting for justice. I won't argue that the results were horrifying. But all of those rebellions were fought with the intentions of creating a better country and government. Star Wars paints a heroic picture but who is to say the rebel alliance won't end up being even worse than the Empire?
>b-but he's dangerous
Like everything else in the game. He also gives a fuck about you and doesn't want to harm you. He's violent and "crazy" but he's got to hold everything in place and people have to view him as alpha male or else his domination would crumble.
Black Ops 2 specifically. Talk shit about the series all you want, that game did the best job on making choices matter. It outdid Mass Effect, The Walking Dead, and The Wolf Among Us, all games claiming that your choices would matter. Pic very much related.
On one hand, I think they did a good job if it's sparking these kinds of debates.
One of the things that I find amusing about this thread is that you wouldn't have known the golden path were worse until you got to that point in the game, but you got spoiled on it. And now you're complaining that you don't have the choice to disassociate with those guys outside of a couple of choices because you have the foresight of knowing what happens.
Kinda reminds me of how people react to Killzone
that's what i was saying tho, tes games do have choices that can be made. the fact that those choices carry little to no consequences on interacting with other factions/npcs is admittedly a whole another topic and i should have constrained myself from making unnecessary remarks
i just can't not shitpost
i haven't played all asscreed games, only the first 2, the one in rome, the pirates one and the one with the brown gurl. i guess i should have refrained from putting ac in the post
>Steve Jobs is the modern Gutenberg
>Apple's Siri is AI with an attitude
>papers' actual conclusions differ from article's title
and you offer this as evidence of your superior intelligence.
Didn't even know there was an American one!
Watched the Brit on the other day because I think Alan Tudyk is fucking excellent. After ODST, I want him to do more Vidya acting. And Jeremy Piven.
Imagine Jermey Piven as Far Cry 5's antagonist.
>sarcasm makes you smarter
>actual study: smarter people understand sarcasm better
I can't even fucking play because I guess my USB mouse is too advanced for Far Cry 4 and causes the game to black screen and stop responding on start-up.
This is also apparently a problem for legitimate copies too so people who stupidly paid money for this travesty can't even access it.
This is pure shit, like in Advanced Warfare (come oh joy of bitchy cry because I played a COD game) I didn't wanted to kill that marvellous man, he wasn't wrong. Same thing here at farcry, I hate this lack o freeedom in games, I mean, come on, we have the power and tecnology to give player real choices.
>Crab Ragoons aren't even a part of hymalalian/Indian cusine
This shouldn't come to a shock to anyone, it amazes me this company even has drones.
I bet this guy thought "social justice" meant "elephants and a bad plot"
If they were good writers you could argue that the point is to do something right for a country you sometimes have to side with terrible and obnoxious people that you hate enough that you would want to kill them even if you were a pacifist, and sometimes it means taking down people you like and even love.
The entire thing could have been an almost genius level of commentary on how much the greater good truly does cost and in the end it almost always its necessity would have been obviated had things gone ideal from the start, meaning that humanity's greatest problems and the source of some of the greatest sacrifices and costs will always be the result of human error.
This is however Ubisoft, so it's almost required that you take it at face value as their writers and staff in general are incredibly moronic.
At least their PR firm knows what the fuck it is doing, in that it knows it doesn't have to do anything and just say "it's out!" for it to sell to fags who play video games just so they can tell their friends what video games they play.
If you just pretend your Dad is a JoJo villain the game goes a lot more smoothly.
JoJo villains are always 10/10 charismatic, he even dresses like it too.
His stand is Elephants, it allows him to cause massive blackouts in the entire universe at random times if God has a USB device connected or unupdated drivers.
It's not like having many endings is a standard of games. Most have pointless endings. I can only think of Drakengard that had vastly different endings, and none made any sense
>get a new lease in life by my best friend's dad
>new career is actually helping the world rid of terrorists
>finds out later that the terrorists was created by the very man I serve
>understands the logic behind his vision that what needs to be done, must be the result of an golden lie
>proved it by creating New Baghdad as an example of how ineffective nation states are.
And she's a cunt who constantly berates you for not doing exactly what she tells you and being a walking god who can do anything perfectly, then throws you a proverbial bone implying you aren't THAT bad.
She really talks like a woman does. Props to her writer. Also that fucking cheesy music that plays every time she talks, trying to trick you into not seeing she's an asshole.
I think what the person you were replying to - was suggesting that they could have created two different campaign path for you to take from the very beginning of the game; thereby, allowing us to play each of the different game story to its end.
You are in fact your mother's son, but
you had a sister who died. Technically, since Pagan and your mother were lovers, he's your stepfather. Your real father was apparently an awful fucking person.
Oh great, so this game advocate cuckshit
>Your mother's lover is far better than your father!
I knew ubi would drop the ball on this one for politically correct opinions. Again. FUCK THEM
>This entire thread
Evidence that we want both good gameplay and good (logical, compelling) story, and we are very, very far away from a time when both were encouraged. Also, it's Far Cry Numero Cuatro, let's not bullshit ourselves any further.
See, the thing about Far Cry 3 and 4 is that the story - As mentioned multiple times by other characters, including a CIA agent who refers directly to Jason of FC3 - relies on you acting like a typical American action hero. That is, freaking out that someone has been tortured, breaking out, kicking ass and waging a one-man war across the countryside because...When it gets down to it, it's really because your Western sensibilities are offended by the murder of that dude.
Like, when you see that rebel get killed, your logical reaction would be "Fuck, that's horrible." If you're the highly moral action hero you're expected to be, this is where you swing into action. It's because Pagan really is kind of a terrible person, though he's certainly not terrible to you.
Effectively, the whole conflict is none of your business. Why should it be? You have no investment in it anyway. It's like a tourist going to a country and joining in the revolution...Why? Because he feels it's the right thing to do.
Alternatively, he could just go home.
Open a fucking history book.
Actually, I'll point out something. Baldur's Gate is a poor example, because you're not fighting for good or evil. You're fighting for your own survival.
Sarevok needs to murder you, personally. Like, you have to die. If he accomplishes his plan, you are a dead man because he's going to kill all Bhaalspawn everywhere. So you can't join him, because it'd be suicidal - There is no common ground, because one of you MUST die.
Yeah, that's something that bugs me about the new Assassin's Creed game. WHY are we siding with the revolution? The revolution is horrible! They're raping and killing people and burning half the city down! I mean, holy shit, these are atrocities.
Why are we enabling these assholes, anyway?
One of the reasons I don't even want to play 4
>repeatedly apologizes for soldiers nearly killing me
>gives me nice food
>gets mad at that one dude for texting for help under the table
>if i just wait for him to come back he's super nice to me
>if i leave i get pulled into a war that has NOTHING to do with me by some dirty rebels
>i'm supposed to want to beat Pagan
I like Pagan more than any of the faggots that want me to kill him.
The whole point of things is that you have no real reason to get involved. You really don't, because your only job is to lay your mother's ashes to rest. Once that's been accomplished, you can go home.
Everything is set in motion because you wanted to be an action hero. I hesitate to mention Spec Ops: The Line because I feel that the response to it was done by oversensitive people, but Far Cry 4 makes the same point with rather more subtlety.
Simply put: You don't have any reason to fight these guys at all! It's really none of your business. Pagan Min never did anything to you, and the rebels aren't your buddies. You're just this guy.
Dark Souls? You're not, you know. The tests are deliberate. Anyone who was too weak to overcome the guardians and to gather the Great Souls could never reignite the First Flame by Linking the Fire.
You're not killing them for shits and giggles, you're killing them because you're being groomed to save the world. The whole story is a test that may have been deliberately set up by Lord Gwen himself to find a successor. (At the very least, the Gods of Andor Londo are pushing you in that direction.)
It's the same for Dark Souls 2. Vendrick is actually setting you up to claim the throne and make the choice he could not.
My thoughts exactly. Its like there is no morale preaching unlike <that game>, you are free to do whatever you wish, but if you stop and think for a second, turns out the only real villain is you.
You mean by being manipulated by complete strangers with no blood relation to you into fighting a war to place them in the seat of power over an entire country, rather than just getting to pay your respects to your mother?
See, you have a moral reason to fight him in that he appears to be kind of an awful person (i.e. Murdering someone right in front of you) and clearly torturing another guy. Like, you're supposed to go:
> "Jesus, this man is insane. What kind of madhouse have I found myself in? Someone has to do something, and I'm the man to do it."
...then off you go as Rambo.
But just like a lot of interventions worldwide, it's also none of your business. If you can accept him killing someone in cold blood (And arguably, he might have the right or not, it's up to the player) you can finish your meal like a good boy and go home.
So Far Cry 4 is about whether you're willing to sit by when injustice happens - With the message that shit gets complicated fast.
Yes, exactly. This is an anti-SJW game, if you think about the message. Things only erupt into pointless violence if you go:
> "This man is unjust! He offends my sensibilities! It's time to FIGHT THE FUCKING POWER!"
...and cut a swathe across the country in the name of greedy, violent and cruel minorities who are really no better than the man you're replacing. In the end, you're fucking this place up because...Why, exactly? You're not being paid. You don't really want to take over as King. All you needed to do was to scatter the ashes and go home.
But nope, you decided to fight everyone in the country because he triggered you by stabbing someone in the back and tossing him from the building. Holy shit, you ARE playing as an hair-trigger SJW if you start shooting everyone!
Oh fuck, I just realized: One of your allies is a woman called ANITA. They're saying that if you go off on a ravening tangent because someone offended your sensibilities, you're an SJW.
This is exactly what an SJW would do when they see, I don't know, a man fondling women or something.
Actually There are no rbel forces unless you consider junkie degenerates with no clear cut leadership rebelion, but they only had established a single leader once for half a mission.
The Game is based around cold war Factions that obviously hhate each other but understand the Federation (the big dog with billions of disposable retards) are the real threat. You end up on the E.Y.E faction from amnesia and you are sided with the Jians (kinda like the Yakuza and black water fused together with cyberpunk undertones and Evangelion wizardry) to take the Federation down
I'm unsure if an established mercenary group that was founded a hundred years prior counts as a rebel society, more of just a means to an end. Considering that there are 5 different variations of the Illuminati which you're a part of, you kind of just become like big boss at the end if you made a certain decisions
and if you made ANOTHER decision and get the absolute perfect end you start the second impact (legit I'm being real) only this one is called "ending the cycles of your guilt"
It's a 9/10 game in my opinion
DA:I is truly innovative as it invalidates your decisions before the game starts instead of waiting for the ending like ME series
You do, but only have running the country into the ground and placing it in rebel hands, for no good reason whatsoever. I'd say it's still better to just sit still for 15 minutes and join him the easy way.
>do secret alternate ending first
that was cool
>terrorist guys: lakshmana might be a temple in the north, but we have no way of knowing.
holy fucking shit any and all motivation to play this game is gonr
It's kind of like the current season of Korra where the fascist is bringing peace to a country thrown into chaos while the good guys are trying to prop up an incompetent prince for the sole purpose of MUH BIRTHRIGHT and you're supposed to think the good guys are right.