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So I'm playing through Dark Souls to prepare myself for

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So I'm playing through Dark Souls to prepare myself for bloodborne, since everybody keeps raving about how difficult and dark and original this game is.

I'm almost done with Undead Parish, and so far I've seen -

- Skeletons
- Generic Black Night with a massive sword
- Giant Rats
- Skeletons with shields
- Gargoyles
- Slightly bigger Skeletons with shields
- And a fucking fire-breathing dragon

So far I've been enjoying the combat but how long until the bossfights + enemies actually get interesting? Everybody always talks about how unique and masterful this game is, but so far it's just been generic fantasy tropeland, complete with "quirky" NPCs with a dark sense of humour.
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keep playing you shietbag
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>>271714269
>prepare myself for bloodborne
>difficult
>Black Night
there, everything wrong with your post. play the game and come back later.
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>>271714269
The game goes a lot of places. Undead Parish is sort of the tutorial. You're gonna love it when you go to Blighttown.
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>>271714269
>Generic Black Night with a massive sword
did you kill it tho?
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Why even make this thread? keep playing and see for yourself how the game evolves, christ
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>>271714269

He hasn't found the darkroot areas yet :^)
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>>271714586
Did they say bloodborne would be easier or something? So far dark souls hasnt been too hard save for the fucking annoying black (k)nights, though i guess if this is only the tutorial section then its about to get a lot worse.
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>>271714269
what build/weapons are you using?
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>>271714929
The game really picks up at the Gargoyles, they're the first real boss of the game. Did you beat them yet?
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just keep playing damnit. you will probably love the fuck out of this game then continue to get disappointed by its sequel like the rest of us.
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>When does dark souls stop being shit?
When you do
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>>271714852
By using all my firebombs since it was my first time seeing it and i thought it was just a mid-tier enemy
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>>271714269
Post character stats faggot. We'll be the ones judging.
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>>271715083
>firebombs
so you didn't actually fight it, you just threw bombs from a distance. That strategy isnt very sustainable in the long run
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don't use magic, magic is always shit at souls games and if you do you're gonna beat most enemies through either furious soul arrow spam or cheesing them
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>>271714736
I think i found blighttown, i chose the master key since every one said it was the best choice and i ended up in some area with some impossible to kill flies and then i got bitten to death by a pack of dogs
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>>271715048

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHH
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>>271715221

He can do whatever he wants anon

Just because someone doesn't die 5 times to a difficult enemy doesn't mean they aren't truly experiencing the game
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Wait until Sen's Fortress, the game picks up from there.
Significantly.
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Who gives a fuck? Just because you don't think the game is special doesn't mean other people aren't allowed to, its called a difference of opinion, and you're just a retard if you expected dark sous to be anything but a memoriable and fun RPG game.
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>The enemy designs aren't original so the game is not
This is where you're dumb.
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>>271715494
Silky smooth memorable 24fps :)
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>>271715797

>playing on a console

Laughable, get a fucking job and upgrade to master race already
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>>271715797
>24fps

Nice toaster
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>>271715746
>game is focused 90% on combat
>youre dumb for wanting actual fun, interesting and great enemies
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Oh I would love to see your face when you meet these guys
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>>271715797
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You're in the city/church area, which is the very first one, so the enemies are basic and humanoid.
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>>271716032
>one gets stuck behind pillars and the other takes ages to swipe the lance
?
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>>271715923
>>271715948
>buying PC
>for one game to be slightly better.
>meanwhile 99% of other games are indie trash, early access garbage, shitty simulators, bad console ports, fucked up optimization bullshit, and overall massive disappointments.

PC has like 2 games that I'm interested in, and even them I wouldn't play longer than a couple hours.
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>>271715954
You'll get them when you stop posting on /v/ and actually get out the first fucking zone.
Even the Parish has load of new enemies.
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>>271715461
and then drops it when you finish it and get to anor londo
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>>271714269
Why do you fucking faggots always stop playing the game and come ask about it? Why is it too hard to play it yourself?
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>>271716050
HOW??

I have a $200 IBM W500 laptop I use for games when my work forces me to travel all over the fucking place, and it plays Dark Souls 1 just fine at 720P, even in blight town and maintains 30 FPS.
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>Everything you need to know about Dark Souls in one picture
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>>271716385
I misread the OP because OP "forgot" to include any of the Parish enemies for some reason.
Berenike and the Chaneller aren't enemies apparently and Balder knights with their unique moves and parrying are just slightly bigger skeletons.
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>>271716050
それは仕方がない
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>>271716601
Is potato
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>>271715041
>le /v/ hivemind
Speak for yourself.
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>>271716489
uhh, Anor Londo is great.

I'd say the drop in quality is for Lost Izalith and New Londo.

Duke's Archives and ToTG are both good.
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>>271714269
Dark Souls is shit. The only good areas are Undead Burg/Parish, Painted World, Sens Fortress, and Anor Londo
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>>271716050
I got one single case of fps drop near the first BT bonfire and never again, are you playing on a microwave and haven't installed DSfix?
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>>271716779
>Great
>T shapped huge corridor with a small "mansion" at the end that ends in a boss room and huge chest ahead

nah, londo was shit
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>>271716779

New Londo is great, it's just too short
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>>271716737
shit nigger what are you doing
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>>271715954
>The game is about gameplay
>How enemies look is important
Keep going
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>>271715048
/thread
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>>271716779
>>271716489
I like how every level looks and only don't like how Lost Izalith plays personally.
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>>271716982

Playing the smash hit Dark Souls, for the PS1
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>>271717109
What do you even have to do to make the picture quality that bad, did you mod it?
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>>271716932
>Filled with lore thats built into the design
>New enemies
>Tons of knights
>Gwyndolin

You have shit taste and you're a shit.
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>>271717221

I'm not that guy I was just making a joke
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>>271716279
>being this mad

;^)
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>>271715314
Yep. Sounds like Blighttown.
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>>271716932
u wot m8
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>>271716737
dude, less than $200 will get you an IBM W500 thinkpad on ebay.
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>>271716875
DSfix installed
>>271716982
Was away from home without internet and only the shittiest of laptops that only had DaS installed
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>>271716779

>Lost Izalith

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK
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>>271716774
No kidding. I fucking love DaS2
Not more than DaS1, but still love DaS2
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>>271717361
that doesn't even capture the 3 floor interior.
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>>271717469
what config?
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>>271717469
I hope you had fun and enjoyed it anyways
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>>271716689
Not to mention the Baller Swag Sword for dat DEX build.
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>>271717620
I didn't
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>>271717565
yeah, it's a two parter map
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>>271716959
No, New Londo is boring as shit.

it COULD HAVE been great if they put some lore stuff in there besides just bloated corpses.

I wanted to see some indication of what life was like in NL before it was flooded.

I wanted to see the throne room of the 4 kings, decrepit and waterlogged.

I wanted to see a building full of bloated undead sealers who gave their lives to contain the Dark Wraith menace.
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best hat coming through
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>>271717086
Lost Izalith is neat looking, but it's TINY and wears thin quickly.

It's the definition of wasted potential.
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>>271717910
>makes tomb of the giants so much better to deal with it
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>>271717805
They had a lot more planned for NL, there's even an unused king boss somebody found in the game files.
Not 100% behind that design, but it was probably just a first draft.
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>>271715314
use a weapon that has a vertical slash for the flies
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>>271718107
It's obviously an alpha design.

It even uses the sound and move set for False King Alant from Demon's Souls.
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Anyone else play DS2 with DSR? How is that game so beautiful?
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>>271718093
>Play Sorcerer on first character
>No idea why but I bought cast light
>Get to TotG
>Cake walk

Cast Light lasts quite a long time.
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>>271718093
I actually switched to the lantern and pretended I didn't have it for the atmosphere, I like how it makes you look like a sun from behind.
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Most enemies including bosses boil down to learning about how they behave, then figuring out how to attack when it's safe. There's some nuances you can learn like what to do to bait a certain attack that you can easily counterattack or changing up your playstyle from heavy armor+greatshield and trading hits to playing light and dodging.

The game is generally considered to build up to a high point at Anor Londo, after which it is actually not quite as engaging. And there's still quite a bit to do before the end. So, if you finish up at Anus Landing and you're still bored, might as well drop it.

My favorite area was Sen's though, which happens right before that. It's a little different than the preceding areas. And you said you like the combat but if that ever wanes, you could explore additional weapon types. Sure Jack-of-All is not a good idea for PvP, but it's really not a big deal to throw a few extra points in a stat so you have another option in combat, a bow is usually a good idea. Better yet, pyromancy, since that doesn't even require any stats besides ATT for the spell slots. You just spend souls to upgrade the pyro glove item itself.

If you just finished at the Parish though, the very next boss is likely to be a doozy. Are you going through blind?

If you get up the stairs, you win.
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>>271715048
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>>271714852

I remember when I was playing this game blind, my very first time. I saw this guy standing there, and then I stabbed him in the back.

Then he stood back up.

And then he came for me.

I think I pissed myself a little when I stopped for a breather, and realized that he was RUNNING after me.
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>>271715314
>impossible to kill flies
certain weapons are more capable of killing small flying enemies than others, throwing knifes at them when locked on hits and kills them 100% of the time
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>>271718408
That pretty much summed up my experience. I just used my firebombs out of fear.
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>>271718292
>The game is generally considered to build up to a high point at Anor Londo, after which it is actually not quite as engaging.
Everybody keeps saying that but I actually enjoyed it more at some points after Anor Londo, maybe it was the low expectations everybody instilled in me, but fuck those Crystal Caves were beautiful.
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>>271718107
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>>271716608
I love how unlike DS2 the world is actually connected. Unless you count elevators that go up into nothing and somehow put you 600 feet under the ocean or on a volcano a connected world.
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>>271718292
Yeah I'm playing it mostly blind, though I sometimes look up weapon and item stats, and I had to search up the whole "soft humanity" thing because I had no idea what the numbers next to my health bar were.
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>>271718093
Is there a mod that actually brightens up ToTG? I always just wanted to see what it looks like.
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>>271715314
good job spoiling the game for yourself retard.
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you will never achieve my greatness.
i cant beat fatass and quickswordguy without sunguy :{
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>>271716608
Wait... are you telling me that isn't just a glitched out bloodstain and you can actually go to those forests in the distance? Holy fuck please tell me that's what this image is.
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>>271716534
Because I can't get past the sewers
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Quite a few people on today in anal rodeo.
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>>271718763

You know, a big thing about Dark Souls. I played this game blind, and I had no idea what the fuck I was doing. I mean it: I never even bought the repair boxes, because I thought you needed repair powder to use them.

At any rate, I got to the sewers and the Gaping Dragon was absolutely raping me. My half-assed, fat-rolling knight was getting his ass pounded like a virgin schoolgirl at a pedophile convention.

But then I realized that the Gaping Dragon is actually a pussy, because when all four of his hands are on the ground, he CANNOT TURN. And just like that, it's an amazing paradigm shift. Before, I kept summoning Solaire and Lautrec, and they ran in and died messily all over him.

But after that, I beat him in one try.
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>>271719156
>not doing cosplay invasions
You're missing out
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>>271719107
The depths? You can skip that and go straight to Blighttown.
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>>271719085
Yes, that's an area. What the anon describes in the image with the cats in the forest happens.
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>>271719286
This playthrough is a sort of roleplaying thing. Im slowly upgrading my armor as i go through the game to show how much progress ive made from being a lowly jail peasant to an undead hero. Also its my first PC playthrough so i figured I would wait a bit to start the silly shit.
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>>271719321
What? How? I've restarted the game 5 times, gotten to about level 35, and had to call it quits because I suck so much.
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>>271714269
>Everybody always talks about how unique and masterful this game is
that's a little overblown

it's a good game with a nice atmosphere, good gameplay and very interesting online functionality, but it's not some kind of invaluable artistic masterpiece
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>>271719512
If you really want to know then read the spoiler.
Start with the master key. When you get to firelink you can go down the stairs to New Londo. Instead of going left into the town if you go right there is a locked door that opens with the master key that leads straight into the end of blight town.
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>>271719248

After you know how to abuse him it's easy. Whenever he pounds the ground, you know he's going to walk and he's going to be open for at 5 secs or so.
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>>271715221
>strategy worked and killed an enemy
>NO YOU DIDN'T YOU IDORT GIT GUD
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>>271719598
>but it's not some kind of invaluable artistic masterpiece
A lot of people would argue it is, actually. Myself included.

Yours isn't the only opinion you know.
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>>271718736
PIC FUCKING RELATED

>>271719085
Not a glitch now go git gud
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>>271719649
Thank you so much dude.
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>>271718763
It sucks but it really is necessary to look up stuff like that. I like that the game doesn't tell you where you have to go, but it should be transparent with fundamental game mechanics. Like poise too.
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>>271719512

What exactly is your problem in the depths? Maybe I can help you anon.
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>>271719859

You know, the thing that always stood out the most to me about Dark Souls was the combat system. In most games, combat feels really floaty and abstract. Here, it feels like you're actually trying to kill someone, or you're the idiot who decided that it was a good idea to fight a giant dragon with a sword.

I remember really, really low-level PvP when I was fighting a guy with Pyromancy and an axe. Shit was desperate, man. Neither of us really knew what we were doing, but we were taking cover, backing away furiously and having a running sword fight all across the Undead Burg.

It was amazing. I'd never thought that a third-person game could be so intense.
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>>271719512
>>271719107
What exactly is holding you back? Watch where you're going and you don't even have to face the basilisks.
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>>271719892
Oh man that pic is hilarious. I'm going back to play now just to get to that area.

>>271719979
Yeah, I guess I'm not a true elite hardcore gamer because I want to know how to be able to play one of the hardest games made. I love how the story and map is so ambiguous though. Thanks for the tips, gonna go back to this game now.
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>>271719979

This this this, 100 times this. I've been saying this since the beginning. It's one thing not holding your hand, it's a different being holding back information on important mechanics and being cryptic as fuck. I still love the game, but jeez.
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>>271719598
>but it's not some kind of invaluable artistic masterpiece
It is to me, it's not perfect or even entirely finished, but god damn do I love it.
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>>271719892
that elevator is the point at which i stopped playing ds2, i couldn't take it anymore
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>>271720185

My experiences on PVP have been bulshit.

Lagstabs, infinite life.

It's why I barely go human.
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>>271720272
This. You can get to the boss/bonfire door with having to fight just a single basilisk If you dont deicde to run and a possible invader if you're human.
When you jump down after the rat, just go straight and right. The basilisk will be to your left, going there is a death trap. Boom theres the boss/bonfire/door to blight town.
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>>271720387
>I'm going back to play now just to get to that area.
That's from DaS2 and is making fun of its comparably shit level connection. This is how the 3d map of DaS looks in comparison.
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>>271714269

>WAAAH people like things I don't like.
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>>271716279

>asshurt consolebabby making excuses

yeah enjoy infamous and bayonetta lmao
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>>271720614
i don't recognize any of this
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>tfw only played Demon's Souls so far
>tfw I thought it was amazing
>tfw everyone says Dark Souls is way bigger and overall better
Well I am hyped
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>>271720826
Look closer, it's not entire levels, just surfaces with collision detection
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>>271720776

>Comparing infamous to Bayonetta
>Being this much of a assblasted mustard race
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>>271720649
Yes anon, that is exactly what I am trying to say.

Also holy shit this turned into a full-blown Dark Souls discussion thread pretty fast. I'm playing it atm and the gargoyles are kicking my ass, but I'm definitely enjoying it.
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>>271720543

Yeah, it's been kind of janky. But playing it for the first time is kind of magical. Dark Souls reminds me, no joke, of that melee combat simulator we all want to see. I'm talking something tournament level: I can conceivably see it being played as an E-Sport.

I was playing this completely blind, however, so I had no idea what was going on. All I knew was that after I crossed a bridge, there was this guy with a giant axe over one shoulder and a handful of fire. I didn't even KNOW you could throw fireballs!

We just had this big slapfight all over the Undead Burg, until he ran out of fireballs and I managed to connect with my panicky swipes. That was amazing.
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>>271720826
Then you should feel bad
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>>271721107
>>271721107

Maybe if I had had a single good experience I'd understand it.
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>>271721017
>Also holy shit this turned into a full-blown Dark Souls discussion thread pretty fast.
Always happens
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>>271721107
Is there even a point to try out PVP if you're low-level like me? Sounds tense.
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>>271721348
how about stop weeping like a teased cunny and git gud
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>>271721017

Summon Solaire, he's actually useful on that one. They're fairly easy alone, but together can be a pain in the ass.

On my most recent playthrough I managed to get both their weapons. kek
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>>271721472

Honestly, you're more likely to run into hackers and so on. Or you'll meet a guy with the sword of FUCK YOU and the off-hand of I RAPED YOUR MOTHER AND I'M HERE FOR YOU.

It took me a week to get used to the idea that your left hand is actually a potent offensive tool. The thought of fighting without a shield made my balls retract into my scrotum.
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>>271714269
once you get down, down, down to blighttown you will truly appreciate the game for what it is. And you will love it and hate it at the same time.
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>kickass leapfrog/ray/mushroom hybrid
>only in one tiny secret area of the game you get to by fucking up a tree you can notice is breathing if you stand right next to it for a while
If anything they had too much enemies types and ended up sticking some of them in random out of the way zones
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>>271721679
If you upgrade pretty much any weapon you can be ready for pvp. Even with a +15 longsword you can whip out hundreds of damage per hit.
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>>271721550

Sure man, lagstabs and people with infinite life are entirely about me getting gud. Besides my build is not for pvp at all, but i'd be ok with losing if it was fair. It's not been, not once. Hence why I barely go human. It's not like I need in game summons for the bosses.

Well maybe fucking Timon and Pumbaa
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>>271720915
it feels bigger because all levels are connected, and before you get the lordvessel you have to walk if you want to go somewhere

imagine every time you wanted to play 1-4 you had to start on 1-1 and walk all the way to 1-4, that's how DaS works
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>>271721859

Because I was a giant pussy, I relied on the biggest shield I could find with a Claymore as my main weapon. I eventually found a Black Knight sword, but preferred the Gravelord Greatsword for how cool it looked.
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>>271720123
My problem is I don't have a strategy guide/don't like looking at walkthroughs. So I never have any idea where I'm supposed to go.
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>>271721795
>Accidentally falling into that area with the giant cats in the forest
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>>271721995

I'm going with balder side sword for my dex build. That scalling is fucking amazing.
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>>271722004

Dark Souls functions on a simple principle. You know the place you don't want to have to go? The one with the rattling chains and acid-spitting demons?

Go there.
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>>271721958
Not exactly since every level is connected by a shortcut. I had to run from AL to the Parish and back to calm Solaire down after accidentally smacking him a bit and it took virtually no time.
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>>271722080
First character I beat the game with had that weapon. It dropped off of the first balder knight i fought. I remember by the time I was on 4 kids I was hitting for like 600 a swing.
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>>271722043
Fuck wheel skeletons, giant spinning cats is where the horror is at.
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>>271722004
>tfw you will feel that feel of adventure and despair of being lost again
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>>271722271

It's an amazing weapon, but you gotta upgrade it ofc.

Thing is I only realized how important upgrading was, and how it worked exactly when a friend told me. The game never explains that to you.
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>>271720915
Its not but its still great
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>>271722004

The only guides I used are related to gameplay, not exploration. The depths are easy man. They seem confusing but they're really not.

Also holding humanity builds up your resistance to being cursed, holding 10 makes you imune, pmuch.
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I finally figured out how to summon
TIME FOR SOME JOLLY COOPERATION
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Even though I've been playing Dark Souls regularly I haven't fought the giant cats for 2 years now. They're so out of the way.
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>>271720484
But you were fine with a tree and lakes being at the same height of hell and another place with a long chain that gets nowhere but float in the sky and a place where traversing 2 rooms make the time night
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>>271723191
I havnt actually been to the depths since my first playthrough. The furthest I go is that bonfire near the ceiling diarrhea to farm green shards for faith builds.
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i did it guise
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>>271723703
u did it champ
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>>271723703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDajqW561KM
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>>271720992
he didn't compare them he just said enjoy them, you know, because theyre on console. Jesus console babies are retarded
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>>271723703
now onto the next bell
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>>271723191

I didn't even go to Darkroot Basin until I had to, which was way later in the game. I remember walking into the crypt-area and seeing the Titanite Demon, then going:

> "Oh, FUCK ME."

before retreating. I must have died fighting the one in Anor Londo, who's in an enclosed space, several dozen times.
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>>271714269
You've barely played one area yet
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>>271723703
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>I'm gonna stop playing this video game to post on /v/

What the fuck is wrong with you people.
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>>271723703
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>>271723089
Am I the only one who prefers normal knight armor to the elite one?
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>>271724012

That's like me saying "enjoy farmville and TW2"

Putting both side to side is offensive.
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>>271723703
time to visit us, little knigt
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>>271724473

That is the normal knight set.

http://darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Knight_Set

http://darksouls.wikia.com/wiki/Elite_Knight_Set
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>>271724473
Normal knight set + Elite helm master race.
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>>271724597

Oh god, fuck those guys.
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>>271724649
...I know

Did you really think I missed the giant blue sash from the most iconic armor in the game?
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>>271724597
Literally the worst.
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>>271724745
>>271724818
At least the don't respawn.
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>>271723703

Fucking bell gargs took me 30 tries on my first playthrough, though I made sure to do everything solo. I actually learnt to block in that fight, I'd assumed up until that point you couldn't block bosses as they were so much larger than regular enemies.
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>>271724734
It covers up my characters ugly face
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>>271724761

Maybe! It wouldn't surprise me I tell ya that.
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>>271715221

Doesn't really matter since black knight swordsman has the hardest attack pattern compared to halberd and great sword.
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>>271724597
>that toxic damage
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>>271725274
what toxic damage?
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>>271725021
What was her deal? I always missed her summon sign so I know nothing about her.
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OP here, im supposed to be in the valley of drakes now right? The master key kinda fucked up my progression
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>>271725469
no
but enjoy the free souls for side stepping/dodging their attacks
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>>271725469
No. You're not paying attention. There is a character at firelink who tells you what to do and where to go.
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>>271724818

>First play through
>get toxic build up
>Notice it's because I'm getting hit by strange flies
>dodge them
>Realize they're not flies but darts
>never have the problem again.
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>>271725469
Also i think i just awoke an ancient dragon or some shit holy fuck
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>>271725469
Picking master key at the start was a poor choice yeah.
If you want to take the intended route, go to the lower undead burg and then the depths, the valley takes you to the second portion of Blighttown and you'll miss on almost three areas if you do that.
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>>271725640

That's undead dragon, he's a shitty non-boss.
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>>271725752
don't tell people stuff like that, it ruins the experience
he fucked me up the first time, it was awesome
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>>271718967
How the fuck did he spoil the game for himself?
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>>271722456
You forgot the "never" crying chinese girl
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>>271725897
Maybe the people shouldnt be on /v/ asking questions if they dont want to be fucking spoiled, eh?
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>>271725417

Just an NPC summon. You can summon her to fight the Moonlight Butterfly, and the Four Kings. Regardless of whether you do, you can find her corpse after you defeat the Four Kings with all her gear in the Valley of Drakes.

>>271725469

Just fucking play the game jesus christ.
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>>271725901
master key I'm guessing
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>>271725897

My first run I was just smart and expected shit, like that thing coming to life.

also player messages helped, it's how I found ash lake and became a dragon bro thanks to fags exposing the second wall.
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>>271726157
Of course it's obvious a giant dragon sleeping by some loot will come to life if you take it, but it's still a better experience if you don't know he's a pushover who vomits at you.
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>>271726142
I wouldn't say it really spoils the game for you. If you're so gud the first time through that you can beat quelaag while under levelled I'd say you deserve it
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Not OP but should I play my first Dark Souls game online or offline? All the messages and bloodstains are annoying as hell and I have a better adventure feel when I figure shit by myself
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>>271726336
But you miss so much of the game, that's why it's spoiling
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>>271726316

You know what's even BETTER experience? Not switching back and forth between the game and asking /v/ for help. Crazy idea, I know.

>>271726353

Just don't read the messages then? Or look at the bloodstains?
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>>271726316

You can figure that out in like two seconds.

I was actually pissed, I was expecting a good fight.
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>>271726353
I'd strongly suggest online
>All the messages and bloodstains are annoying as hell
useful as hell, as you'll find out a bit later
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>>271717910
thats not thief mask, brass helm, giant helm, wanderer hood, or velka mask

seriously though they should have added some greek/roman type of armor in this game

i hate faggot clunky knight shit

>muh hueg ass weapons and armuh
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>>271726506
>You know what's even BETTER experience? Not switching back and forth between the game and asking /v/ for help. Crazy idea, I know.
Why are you telling me this exactly?
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>>271717910
Solaire please go and stay go.
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>>271726578
>>muh hueg ass weapons and armuh
wot, only a portion of armor is heavy knight stuff and only the Havel and Guardian are genuinely hueg
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>>271717914
Lost Izalith is shit

>agro one dragon ass at a time for like 2 hours

took me like 25 minutes to figure out how to beat those retarded fucking dragon asses too, fucking shit man
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You shouldn't use master key on the first game or you'll probably never even find The Depths
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>>271726667
no
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>>271726743
You can literally just walk past them and not aggro any of them. I'm pretty sure that's how the level was "intended" to be done, like a stealth section
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>>271719746
Do you even know what idort means? Fucking idiot.
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>>271726743
W-Why didn't you just run past them? I didn't fight one in my first playthrought.
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>>271726743

When was the last time you beat it? They patched that shit out so you can run by all of them really.

>>271726991

Nope. Dragon Butts used to aggro you from a gorillion miles away. They patched it out.
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>>271726835
>yfw when Plague started his LP
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>>271727217
literally who?
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>>271727089
In the original release of the game they were very difficult to not agro, although they patched that in like the first couple months of the game so I doubt he played that version. I remember playing that area back when like 5 would agro on you at once unless you walked an extremely specific path and didn't wear armor (to reduce noise)
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>>271726743
>mfw I OHK them and never had a problem with them
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>>271726721
elite knight is large and clunky, reg knight, all are fucking tin cans

had to trick out my dingy, wanderer coat, white paint soldier shirt, hard leather armor etc etc because i dont like that other shit

also FUCK CAPES on armor. the silver night armor is the best of the tin cans but it has a faggotcape

hard leather armor is about as close as we get to having some, like, chest guard type-ish armor
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>>271727148
>Nope. Dragon Butts used to aggro you from a gorillion miles away. They patched it out.

You could still walk past them without agroing any of them if you took the right path. Source: I used to white phantom that area before the first patch and I would lead people down the path that didn't agro the dragons to the hidden bonefire then black crystal out. I got a lot of very thankful messages
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>>271727328
>not liking the swag cape
sir you have no taste
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>>271727287
The guy who animated that Solaire thing.
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>>271718408
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJ5gLGWcKBY
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>>271727328
I spent my whole game fastrolling in a bazillion different light and mid armor sets. Of course there's knight armors in medieval low fantasy game, but they're hardly the only thing.
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>>271727449

Dayum son good on you.

>>271727328

DSII has some armors you'd dig.

>>271727480

I'm watching the first part, is this blind or not I'm confused.
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OP just stop. If you have ps4 and don't even want the only decent exclusive you are literally a moron. Im sorry for your friends and family.
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>>271727480
Is he any good?
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>>271727643
Nah it ain't blind. I'm pretty sure he will talk tons of shit about the designs and lore, which I want from a Dark LP.
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>>271727758
Animating, yes. LPs, well hes kinda new and isn't going for the "entertain the masses" aproach. Talks about art.
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>>271727148
im still playing, havent finished it yet. got it with games with gold and been playing off and on, but im sure im playing the patched version because you can aggro one at a time and their agro range was small as fuck

>>271726991
>>271727089


i have to kill everything in sight

i get paranoid when i leave living shit behind me...makes me feel like im going to get flanked, plus the challenge is kinda fun at times

good news is they dont fucking respawn, thank fuck.
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>>271727450
>swag cape

It looks like a piece of fucking cardboard stuck to your back.
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>>271727758
he likes to talk about the art direction of games, his first episode feels like Im on a tour of DaS and he is the guide, and I like it
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>>271726435
It's not spoiling, you idiot. It's playing the game differently.
It's not spoiling the game if you miss Ash Lake or The Painted World because they're extremely easy to miss. The Depths and Lower Undead Burg would be similarly easy to miss.
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>>271727296
That's why you had to juke like hell. That was the only way to get through.
I managed it with an 8 VIT mage.
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>>271728047
stop playing it on a toaster then
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>get backstabbed
>get up
>i barely get to move when he backstabs me again

I swear to god people who exploit lag to fish backstabs are the worst kind of scum in gaming history
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>>271729389

>Try to run away since guy is clearly lagging/cheatting
>Have reasonable distance behind me and him
>Backstabbed out of nowhere

K
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>>271730097
also some of the hackers are fucking immature shitheads:
>guy with infinite health comes around
>kick his ass so much he would have died three times already if he wasn't a cheater
>he starts spamming that purple shit spell hackers use with DM talisman
>when he finally kills me he does "well, what is it"
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Is Demon's Souls still alive? Anybody can give me some bladestones?
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>>271729389
>first invasion
>guy has way better equipment than me but is lagging like a motherfucker, spend three solid minutes hitting him and eating away at his health bit by bit
>when he's down to maybe one or two more hits he somehow manages to land a backstab and kills me instantly

and then i played the rest of the game in hollow form
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>>271727449
You're being exactly the man Mr Rogers knows you can be.
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>>271732437
>not letting people invade, pulling the plug and then sending them a message of :^)

unsurprisingly, Giantdads give you the best tears.
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>>271725408
looks awesome too
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>>271727918
You missed the real experience since a lot of players shifted to souls 2. So glad I played it when I did. Unfortunately not everyone got around to it in time to have that wonderful experience.
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>>271727593
how can anybody enjoy this? I guess you have to be a fucking asshole just like them to actually be entertained by them
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Just bought this game as well because people on /v/ kept rambling on about how good and hard this game is.

Just finished the first boss which literally only required you to do plunging attacks.

When will the challenge start?
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>>271738762
That's the very first non tutorial boss, what did you expect?
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>>271738762
That's the cheesy way to do that boss. You won't get advantages like that for others, good luck with the Gargoyles.
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>>271739354
It's not cheesing, it's a valid tactic the environment offers you.
It's true that doing only that will make you not git gud and get you destroyed by bosses that don't have exploits.
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>>271738762
If you lack challenge, go fight the black knight, maybe he'll drop you a sword.
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>>271739354
>You won't get advantages like that for others
The lightning amber and Sunbro called.

Capra demon is the true scrub obliterator
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>>271738762
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>>271740026

Took the tail from this guy. is this sword worth using? I kinda like the look of my bastard sword and this one looks fugly.
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>>271714269
>So I'm playing through Dark Souls to prepare myself for bloodborne, since everybody keeps raving about how difficult and dark and original this game is.

who started this meme? I never liked Souls for how hard they are, I like them for how good they are.

the only really hard parts in DaS1 are Capra Demon, your first trip through Blighttown if you didn't get the ring that lets you run through the swamp, the Anor Londo archers, O&S and Gwyn (if you don't know he can be parried)
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>>271740026
>>271738762
Apparently you find it special enough to bother taking screenshots
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>>271740242

I thought a new weapon was worth one
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>>271740143
Was Gwyn really that hard? I have beaten the game only once, with a strength build at around level 100, and only died to Gwyn once or twice.

I was pretty disappointed as I was expecting a challenge, but at the same time I was so filled with the lore part I didn't mind.
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>>271739781
he's exploitable though

now Arty on the other hand
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>>271740026
>>271738762
>>"GUIZ JUST BOUGHT GAME"
>gets drake sword

yeah ok
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>>271740143
If the capra demon is one of the hardest parts then i think im set lol, i just beat him and im on my way down below undead burg
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>>271740121
It's for scrubs who have to look up guides and use it to cheese their first run, has high damage for this area, but breaks quickly and is hard to upgrade.
Upgrade any other weapon and you're better off, if somebody invades you while you're using that they'll laugh.
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>>271740734
He's a beginners trap, no challenge after you beat the dogs. Just your usual dodge/block and counter-attack.

I myself would but Ornie and Smougmaster as the most difficult fight in game one on on...two.
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>>271740734

ready your ass for the archers. you won't be there for several hours, but you'll know it when you see them
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>>271741082
Archers are a breeze after the patch though.
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Ok this was the first "hard" part since I died to him once. But then I took my armor off and he became super easy.
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>>271741181
The challenge comes from discovery and the unknown. Using a guide kind of negates all that.
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>>271740734
You have to time him well or the dogs will stunlock you while he insta kills you, that's his challenge.
Some people really struggle with that and some breeze through it.
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>>271741175

what happened?
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>>271741181
>>271740026
>>271738762
what is this blog shit, you're going through the first level of a game, do you want a pat on the back?
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>>271741649
The left one was moved so far back he barely shoots at you.
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>>271741873
S-So thats why I managed to get past it without being shot by him once?
I... I thought I got good
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>>271742027
I'm sorry, did you solo Thunder&Thighs?
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>>271742145
N..No... Never been able to..
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>>271742318
D-did you finish the game?
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Haha, this was supposed to be the "hard" part?

Oh my god, I killed the first guy before the second one even came in to the fight.

So where do I go next, /v/?
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>>271714269
>prepare myself for bloodborne
haha. sorry but this is hilarious.

Dude! tha game just got pushed back by 2 months. This means it will be an average game. Sorry to break it down for you.
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>>271740663
I always found Kalameet harder.
If push comes to shove, you can block Arty, but Kalameet will disregard your blocking and fuck you in the ass regardless.
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>>271742421
Y-Yes! Only once
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>>271742145
I did this on my first try.. Never really understand what the fuss is about with those guys..

Now Gaping Dragon tho, it gaped up my arsehole multiple times.
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I think Kirk would be way creepier if he looked like this.
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>>271742463
Just read the next line of your walkthrough
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>>271742584
With the DLC?
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>>271742740
Yes! I had a friend who pointed out to me where to go if I got stuck, but I beat all the bosses!
I even helped others beat Kalameet
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>>271742620

what the fuck. Gapon Dragging is top 3 easiest bosses in the game. How could he give you trouble if Oreos and Smores didn't?
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>>271742620
I've had some trouble with Team Rocket, but soloed them in the end, the Gaping was an absolute cakewalk for me though, his area is so big I could just run around and stab him at my leisure.
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>>271742909
see pic
>>271741621
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>>271742909
I can imagine him being a bit of a bitch if he made the mistake of summoning, and didn't have a very hard hitting weapon/was underleveled.

He's a fucking chore if you do that
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>>271742880
Then you got gud, little animu girl.
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>>271714269
Here's your answer: NEVER!
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>>271743138
T-Thank you!
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>>271742576
>you can block Arty
he keeps spinning
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Im about to start on Lost Izalith.
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>>271743225
I'm sure all these people still having huge threads talking about the game almost four years after its release are just trying to trick you.
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>>271743580

>almost four

three and change. don't exaggerate
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>>271742880
>I had a friend who pointed out to me where to go if I got stuck
>the first person to play DLC had to figure out how to get in by themselves
Is there another way in besides the area behind the hydra? Because that's some convoluted shit right there.
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>>271743747
Oh yeah, I thought it came out on ps3 in February for some reason.
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>>271743413
I hope you fed that spider some manatees.
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Demon's Souls SL 34.
Anyone got some bladestones for trade?
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>>271723703
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>>271744678
Indeed I have.
Also, can we all agree that Painted world of Ariamis is a kickass level?
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>>271715048
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>>271744978
I freaked the fuck out when I first saw the phalanx.
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>>271745562
>mfw people literally use the Drakesword to trick invaders into thinking they're noobs
it's such a powerful communicator
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>>271745840
The classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RtT2xYZbWBs
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>>271741181
I remember doing exactly the same thing.
This was back when I still didn't know about i-frames.
Man, the game sure got easier once I understood those.
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>>271745968
>trying to use the bonfire
that dedication to the role
I'd go for a different shield though, heather is genuinely good
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>>271742463
Do you expect us to believe this is your first playthrough? Or that you aren't using a guide?
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>>271746365
>heather
apparently it's heater, what the fuck English
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>>271746528
Well he is using the fucking drake sword and bragging about killing low level bosses like it's an achievement, I doubt he played it before, unless it's an elaborate troll pretending to be retarded
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>>271742463
>drake sword
Ditch it as soon as possible, or enjoy the rest of the game with weapon that has no pierce or strike damage.
Quelaag still dies pretty easily with that because the AR is high enough.
>>271746365
Should use Knight Shield for ultimate noob cosplay.
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>>271727028
Do you even know how that came about? Fucking idiot.
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>>271746742
You don't get the Drake Sword on a first playthrough without a guide, and the sword is a great and basically overpowered weapon at low levels.
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>>271746752
>Knight Shield
it's a beauty though

After getting good on the controls, I never really watched the stats unless I desperately needed high poise or poison resist or something, it was all about the fashion.
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>>271746742
Well considering the fact that the probability of a player just stumbling upon the Drake Sword on his first playthrough is pretty much zero, he's either a troll or using a guide/looking up hints.
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>>271740663
artorias is the best fight of the game imo, just pure swordfighting mano a mano
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>>271747281
>>271746948
I'm not saying he's not using a guide, just that he's clearly taking the piss if he's a repeat player.
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>>271747073
>>271747073
But functionality is fashionable.
Here's how I'm rolling my SL2 playthrough. http://mmdks.com/6pop
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>>271741181
I see you're using Pewdipie's Drake Sword build, an excellent choice.
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>>271747892
he only used it for kappa demon though, not like this casul
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>>271748638
Oh yeah, he used a halberd like a champ otherwise.
Say what you will about him, but he had genuine fun with the game.
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>>271745968
That vid never fails to make me laugh. Great Entertainment
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I've been going through Dark Souls again after beating Dark Souls 2 and I realized something. In Dark Souls 2 almost 100% of the enemies that are larger than you are designed to fight exactly like the Royal Sentinels. When I encountered the Sentinels I realized they fought like every single giant enemy in Dark Souls 2. They all have they tracking pivot attacks that cover 260 degrees with every part of the swing being an active frame.

Most of them don't have shields but i'm almost certain they based every larger enemy off of the Royal sentinels and just changed their moveset to their weapon type.
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>>271738762
>>271740026
>>271741181
>>271742463
This seems like a fun game, I'm going to try it too.
This is the first playthrough I've ever done, so wish me luck
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>>271751321
Oh man you're going to be so surprised when you see the boss for the first time ever.
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>>271751321
make sure you have a controller
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>mfw i accidentally did the forward+heavy attack- leap off the stairs, straight onto the head of the minor taurus demon in the demon ruins after the second bonfire and it even had a vicious animation for a OHK

fuck, i wish there were more opportunities for that kind of kill. i never even seen that shit before, its not the downward slash attack either...its a whole other kind of attack with an animation of its own

wonder if had the hornet ring on or something
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>>271752443
When you do a plunging attack on some large enemies it gets its own animation. You're supposed to do it for the first time against the fatass tutorial boss when you drop down from the ledge. If you're talking about something besides that then I have no idea what you're talking about.

Speaking of rare animations, there's a unique execution move you can do to people laying in the coffin in the catacombs (the one that leads to the Gravelord covenant). The animation is only used for that one part of the game.
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>>271751321
>undead
>not covering your face with thiefmask or helmet

fucking pig
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Haha, this was supposed to be the "hard" part?
Oh my god, I killed the first guy before the second one even came in to the fight.

So where do I go next, /v/?
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>>271753187
Go get the drakesword to make it more believable
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>>271740734
>mfw he stopped posting

tell us champ, what's slapping your shit right now?
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>>271752731
fuck

i screwed that up, the button input was the downward slash input- i jumped down the staircase, pressed RB, and latched onto his fucking head, but i didn't just slice down his body and accumulate damage; i stuck to his fucking head and stabbed him in the fucking skull, it was so fucking beautiful

that shit didn't happen for me at the tutorial boss @ the asylum, or the big taurus demon thats next to the bridge with the drake sword dragon
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>>271753187
>>271751321

Solaire dies XD
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>>271753525
cunt-move, bro

HEY DONT READ THIS POST, ITS SPOILERS MAN
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>>271714269
>I've only played the first 1/10 of the game why isn't it the greatest thing ever.
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>>271714929
You are a fucking idiot. Just put the controller down now, you wont ever finish it if you had to come to /v/ for mid-beggining game reaffirmation.

Fuck off underage faggot.
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>>271742463
>drake sword that early

no but i beasted past both gargoyles on my first try with the short sword

its one the thing that annoys the shit out of me about this game, its all programming, sometimes the game wont press as hard as other times etc etc

one minute theres absolutely nothing you can do as the enemy will spam the shit out of you until it breaks your stamina in some way and just rape you...the next time its a easy as fuck
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>>271754208
It's all timing.
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>>271717469
>no responde
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>>271717109
Still would have been just as good. Gameplay>Graphix
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>>271726353
i did offline cause the online combat looks like shit and the game is cunty enough as it is, last thing i want to be annoyed with is cunty players as well....with all the annoying cuntyness though the game stands on its own offline
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>>271754328
explain man
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Am I the only one who never understood why in the first game it's incredibly easy to miss the cover armor (I didn't, but can see how it would be missed, it's in an optional area) and in the second game you can't get the cover armor until the final 1/3rd of the game

Seems to me like they'd put their iconic armor set earlier in the game
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>>271755460
because i dodge, i roll, carry pretty light weight load and rolling can aggro some enemies you didnt know where there, camera angle can fuck you over and you roll off ledge, cant hear enemies approach from flank, they kick you off ledge etc etc
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>>271755460
What's there to explain? If you don't time your attack right, you'll get staggered/parried/blocked instead of the other way around.
The game doesn't randomly change stats or AI, it all depends on what you're doing.
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>>271755632
>rolling can aggro some enemies you didnt know where there
Kite enemies from groups and don't just randomly roll around, check corners before going forward etc
>camera angle can fuck you over and you roll off ledge
I've only ever had camera problems with Capra, unless you suck at locking on
>cant hear enemies approach from flank
wat
>they kick you off ledge
Literally never happened to me, you should be the kicker off the ledge not the kickee.
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>>271755783
I think what he's talking about is more in the line of bad RNG
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>>271755540
>flat screen
blew it
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I recently brought the game and beat it in relative comfort. I never got stuck on any boss (but I did summon people in for Drake and Josh because the opportunity was there). I started my second play-through on NG+ and holy fuck how do I beat Four kings? I even summoned 2 faggots in to help me but they died before the first king did.

>tfw because of this I've gone from playing the game everyday after work to not going near it in 2 weeks

Tips?
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>>271756120
how?
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>>271756146
use power within
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>>271755632
>they kick you off ledge
>trusting a guy just because it's in his name
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>>271726142

I wandered into Havel and through countless deaths and bloody-minded determination I beat him and claimed my just reward. Very satisfying. He's a nightmare in DaS2 though.
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>>271756329
"sometimes the game wont press as hard as other times etc etc"
He's probably talking about some enemies who keep repeating attack patterns that he's not able to counter yet.
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>>271756623
is he?
>>271755632
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>>271756146
Wrap yourself in Havel's armor and use every buff you can to end the fight as quickly as possible. Don't dodge, just hit and heal.
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>>271755783
thats bullshit

as far as bosses go, yeah, you can begin to understand their tendencies and time their shit to your shit

but take darkmoon gwyndolin, the tranny mini boss thing, almost beat the tranny my first try...thinking easy shit

after that it was magic spam and early teleports before i could even get close enough to hit the twat. swear to god i ran down that fucking hall as far as it would take to get from firelink shrine to anor landor a couple times.
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>>271756771
No I was talking about the guy I quoted
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>>271756949
I've been using that armor but I haven't thought about spamming buffs. Stamina is usually the problem for me because last time I just got stun-locked to death. Next time I'll use the grass crest shield and some Green Blossom.

>>271756508
I'll keep that in mind
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>>271719746
>IDORT
Uh, I don't think that word means what you think it means faggot. Why don't you lurk more before firing off those epic may mays.
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>>271753457
Exploring the underground of undead burg. The game is getting a lot more fun (fun in the dark souls sort of way) and im excited to get to sens fortress so i can see why everybody loves this game so much.
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>>271757005
>swear to god i ran down that fucking hall as far as it would take to get from firelink shrine to anor landor a couple times.
oddly enough, it is possible to corner the bastard if you run for long enough.
Evidently, the game just says "fuck it, he's earned it"
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>>271756030
you have to roll in order to dodge, that same fucking roll can aggro some piece of shit that i guess is wearing fucking house slippers, because the only warning you get to his presence is the sound of getting leap slashed aside your fucking temple

i bet all the people who claim theres no problems with this game are high poise characters, because you can just tank it and have no fucking problems...but i enjoy dodging and evasive action and being forced to be quick on my feet

say you accidently aggro 2 shitbags, 2 strong shitbags, together their attacks are fucking rape, they'll just drain your fucking stamina if you try to block, and aside from the parry dagger, any time you try to attack, the shitbags are so perfectly timed that if one misses, the other will be right behind him to interfere with your slash, so i try to seperate them...dodge away, only to aggro 2 more shitbags etc etc

this isnt the whole game obviously, but its frequent enough to make you roll your fucking eyes...here you are doing alright, than the rape train comes along, there's no reward for skill, no reward for reaction, just put the controller down and let it happen...no fight, no tears, only dreams
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>>271714269
Dark Souls is shit. Stop before you invest 80 hours and rage because you reach the credits and realized you didn't have fun.
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>>271758206
>accidentally aggroing more than you can handle
Just fucking take care to not do this, this should be obvious. It's not even hard, just don't run forward like an idiot and survey the area for enemies.
>you have to roll in order to dodge
Or you can just time it well and step back. Rolling is all well and good but if you're in front of a cliff and can't control your lock on, maybe do something else?
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>>271714269
I know you're type. When you say generic, I'm sure you mean story-wise. A lot of people will mistaken this as an actual criticism and get rightfully mad. The truth is you are better suited to reading VNs than playing vidya.
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>>271758418
what makes you think you're a good indicator of the game's fun levels?
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>>271756613
>mfw i homeward boned that shit, came back, and put my +15 longsword into his chest cavity
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>>271758206
>say you accidently aggro 2 shitbags, 2 strong shitbags
well you fucked up if you did that, didn't you?
get a bow and kite if you can't do it in melee
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>>271758716

Generic isn't even really accurate when applied to Dark Souls.
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>>271718736

Are we forgetting about Ash Lake?
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>>271758647
god damn it

i know, you learn that early, but fuck me i cant see shit past a certain point, if my camera is locked on ive been forced to have my back to unexplored areas and shit

thats another thing that annoys the shit out of me, forcing yourself to fight in a phonebooth with some enemies just because you dont want to aggro some other shitbag...ive even learned to disengage lockon to more accurately see the area etc etc
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>>271723703

Congratulations, you beat the first actual boss in a painfully easy game that you can circumvent literally all risk in by simply hugging every bosses body and abusing a million iFrames on rolls.
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>>271759175

C'mon man.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil
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fuck anyways

does anybody know if the Games with Gold edition comes with the additional content?

i had a boner for the knight of atorias armor and i just found out its AC
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>>271718093
>not memorizing the layout so perfectly that you just run it through the dark with no light at all
It's a good thing there's basically nothing to pick up in that shit hole.
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>>271759441

a-atleast Dark Souls' map m-makes sense!

>what about that gigantic area that spans miles all around and has absolutely no way to support the land that should be right above it

pfft u just dont get it pleebe miyazaki wuldnt make a mistake
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>>271759578

What? I just posted the explanation. Are you okay?
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>>271759341
Until you git gud, just aggro one at a time and run back a bit I guess? Or try a shield?
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>>271759578
is reading difficult for you?
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>>271759441

I got that vibe strongly. Then in 2 there are those random pillars that are presumably a callback to that, but it doesn't work. Ash Lake was beautiful, if a bit dull in terms of content.
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>>271759647
god damn it

i know all this, its just a shit-tier game when forced to engage more than one enemy, the timing of their attacks can be so perfectly syncronized that you cant do shit to get a hit off...thats fucking bullshit, fuck man

shit, its soo fucking addicting too....
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>>271758042
>>271754208
>>271755632
>>271758206
>>271759341
this is the same guy, isn't it?
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>>271759983
not >>271758042
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>>271759890

The problem with DSII lore wise was that almost the entirety of it was "hey this is from Dark Souls." Therefore the joy of discovering something new was not there, because we weren't discovering something new. We were discovering the previous game.

The random pillars were weird. They're in Things Betwixt, and then they're there at the Dragon Aerie.
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>>271719649
Was expecting a _______git___gud____. You surprise me sometimes /v/.
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>>271759907
>its just a shit-tier game when forced to engage more than one enemy
You're a shit-tier player when you're engaging more than one enemy more like. Except in some specific cases that are designed that way, you never HAVE to fight a group at once.
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>>271760189

Didn't notice them in Aerie. I don't know if we ever definitively got to the bottom of the 'B-Team' line of argument, but if it's not true then it's weird how much stuff they reused. DeS and DaS have very different flavours, whereas DaS2 just seems warmed through; a phone-in of an effort.
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>>271760147
Weird how suddenly two posters appeared who write like that and don't capitalize their i's for some bizarre reason.
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>>271759907
I don't know at what point of the game you are, but if you're really struggling with that, use a Zweihander or some other ultra great weapon, you can very easily stagger multiple enemies at once and move back without them being able to retaliate.
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>>271760513

I never bought the "B-team" argument. It's the change in directors I feel. They weren't ambitious enough to do anything too different so they just made the same game. However I'm willing to bet money that the folks at Bamco or Kadakowa wanted them to not go overboard and just make another game to make money.
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>>271720614
So fucking well designed

Captcha: perfect sianterd
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>>271758173
That's a big ass hallway
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>>271760291
dont be buttblasted that your favorite game in the universe is shit when forced to face more than one enemy at a time

>that systematic chop session two enemies have when they're aggroed together
>implying that robotic shit isn't the absolute lamest AI, by vidya standards
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>>271761502

For you.
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>>271714269
>Generic Black Night

holy shit my sides
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>>271714269
When you quit the first game and play DaS2, which is better in almost every way, from better level design to functioning controls to a PC port that isn't a fucking embarassment to gaming as a whole (fuck you everyone that bought the port of DaS)
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>>271761070
t-theres no wanderer class?
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>>271761647
You're the one upset you're so incompetent you're literally rolling into new enemies.
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How is it possible that DaS2 has worse hitboxes than DeS or DaS?
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>>271761863
wipe that blast off your butt, you're too upset to even comprehend the point
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>>271718859

download ds mod tool
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>>271762219
Sure buddy, you say I'm mad a few more times and you'll feel better about rolling off that cliff because you're relying on constant lock on.
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>>271761070
For one, FromSoft doesn't have much talent. They're still a small studio. Most of their programmers/coders/scripters are just basement otakus that sort of know how to do it, but don't understand how to code 'elegantly.' Shit like warping to your own bonfire and it reloading everything instead of using some cached assets, for example, should never happen. They don't really know what they're doing in many cases.

The teams were different for both games, of course, with a few names (mostly these low level drones) being in both credit lists.

Of course, the main issue with any Japanese game is going to be the developer, since unlike a western game, they develop very much around one person's vision. If that person is a dumbass, the game ends up being a turd. If that person is an artist that is concerned about things like theming and characterization, you get things like DS1 or Demon's, which aren't technically adept but have a lot of atmosphere.

Of course most players are braindead when it comes to either, and just get a vague impression that games are different, somehow, in ways they can't place.
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>>271761836

Think Wanderer was replaced by Swordsman.
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>>271742576
A long time ago when I would hide behind the Artorias Greatshield, I was able to block Kalameet's swipes. Did a kickin' back flip when he did.
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>>271759632
>>271759749

It doesn't excuse shitty level design you fucking autists.
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>>271726336

>mfw fighting quelaag the first time with and unupgraded halberd

god, what the fuck was I doing?
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>>271762635

Shitty? What? Ash Lake? Yeah it's not up to par I'll give you that. It's got a Hydra, a clam thing, a mushroom, and some Basilisks. I'm certainly not trumpeting from the rooftops that it's a great area, but this post here: >>271759175

Implies that Ash Lake not being connected to the rest of the world is on par with DSII's disconnected nature. It is not.
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>>271762726
How much damage did that do?
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>>271762482
This sums things up pretty much perfectly.
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>>271762875

I think around 40-50, it took me like 15/20 minutes to kill her
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>>271762482
>DaS
>Technically inept, good atmosphere


>Fallout 3
>Technically inept, good atmosphere

and /v/ complains about F3 about being a buggy mess while DaS is just as bad
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>>271762415
>relying on constant lock on with this games shit-tier camera system

you are so angry at the fact that 2 aggroed enemies perform in such a shit fashion that you cant even think straight...but enjoy tip toeing into room after room with your havel armor while i cartwheel into that same room buttnaked with my +15 longsword and cut through shit the same way the facts about this games shit-tierness cut through your bumbum and cause anger
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>>271763719

...Fallout 3's issues extend beyond what you're saying here man. There's tons of little things that itch away at Fallout fans (200 years later and everything looks like shit.) The disconnected nature of all the areas and quests, etc. C'mon man you know better.
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>>271763857
Feeling better now?
Get that bow or some throwing knives, ok?
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>>271763719
Dark Souls isn't nearly as buggy as any Bethesda game, and the atmospheres aren't comparable either. I agree that /v/ hates a bit too much on FO3, but don't pretend that it's not deeply flawed in ways that DaS isn't.
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>>271763719


Except DaS is fun, and Fo3 has shit atmosphere.
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>>271762604
reading the list, im pretty sure its the new explorer bro

speaking of exploring shit, what the fuck are the binos for in Dark Souls?
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>>271764039
Wanderer is more analogous to Swordsman, Explorer is new.
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>>271721795
Holy shit forgot about those.
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>>271763953
in what way was F3 disconnected? Were you expecting a pretty landscape from a fucking wasteland?

>>271764012
fun is subjective, bugs / issues / technical performance are not
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>>271764241
>bugs / issues / technical performance are not
And Fallout 3 is way worse than DaS in those areas.
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>>271764012

Play the DLC, especially Point Lookout. The atmosphere's there, it's just behind a paywall.
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>>271764241

F3 had WAY more bugs than DaS.

>single player game more fun than a game with unique sp/mp mechanic

Okay.
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>>271764241
>in what way was F3 disconnected? Were you expecting a pretty landscape from a fucking wasteland?

Oh I don't know. I only played up to the Washington Monument and then my HD failed and I didn't want to play it again. However I've been in enough Fallout threads to know that people are upset by the fact that you can do shit at Tenpenny Tower, and nobody else in the rest of the game world gives a shit except maybe Dad? Apply that to pretty much every other area.

Not to mention DaS is nowhere near as buggy as Fallout 3. Again I say you know better.
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>>271764241
>actually defending Faillout 3

The underage is strong in this one.
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>>271763985
>using bows for anything other than mosquitoes or out of sheer boredom

seriously though, the annoyances in this game don't break it...they just really don't make sense. also the camera angle should be the destination of your swing, not the body...feel like that would allow more room for evasiveness and clutch like performances
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>>271758206
>here you are doing alright, than the rape train comes along, there's no reward for skill
stopped reading right there, go back to memelands
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>>271764652
You're inflicting this particular annoyance on yourself, is my point.
If you can't aggro one enemy at a time by walking to them, shoot them from a distance.
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>>271764149
wanderers, wander lands, travel etc etc

explorers, explore lands...there was no explorer in the first DS was there?
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>>271764887

No there wasn't. But the Swordsman has the Wanderer set of clothing.
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I've played through Dark Souls twice: a blind first playthrough and a second SL1 playthrough where I explored the stuff I missed the first time around. Can someone suggest a fun challenge for my next run?
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>>271762858

Implying one level being retarded in its connection to the world isn't on par with one level being retard in its connection to the world? Don't be delusional.
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>>271765218
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>finally upgrade to furysword
>demon titanite? Fuck, I think I only have 1 of those
>fuck, I already killed all those titanite demons
>oh, I'll just kill that one in lost izalith
>forgot I hadnt opened the shortcut from the other side
>ASS, ASSES EVERYWHERE
>finally make it to the demon
>die because I let my shield down the one time he decides to jump
>didnt even get a chance to open the entrance
>go again
>beat him
>realize I have no h. bones
>welp, time to unlock that shortcut
>sit down, return
>die because I suck
>come back and beat him again
>only 3 more times of this...
>finally get 9 titanite
>go to andre
>I had 11 already
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>>271765218
If you've beat it SL1 then other challenges aren't going to be that meaningful. Are you relying on a shield a lot? If so then do a shieldless run definitely.

Other than that it's mostly gimmick runs, maybe try a bow only or something similar.
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>>271765271

Am I being coaxed into a snafu? It's not "one level" with Dark Souls II, the whole game is like that. There's no in universe justification for it, unlike in Dark Souls. Where Ash Lake is akin to Yggdrasil. Here I'll even link it again so you can read it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yggdrasil
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>>271765218
Make up an OC NPC that fits the universe, invade like an NPC would.
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>>271765218
Abyss Greatsword R2 only.
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>>271764875
my point is kiting enemies is gay as fuck, as if the guy you're baiting wouldnt at the very least whisper into his partners ear..."hey, hey bro...theres a guy 7 feet in that direction shooting arrows at me, lets get him"

more often than not im going to roll into RB and switch to the other guy for a quick two hits and hope to fuck i have enough stam to roll back or to the side to recoup enough stam to finish him, if hes not finished already

look, dont question my decision making. unless you want me to rub it in your face the day i save your life with said descision making and illustrate how your desicion making would have gotten the group killed, including your friends, who i saved in the first place.
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>>271714269
OH MAN YOU'RE JUST GONNA LOVE WHEEL SKELETONS
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>>271765653
>look, dont question my decision making. unless you want me to rub it in your face the day i save your life with said descision making and illustrate how your desicion making would have gotten the group killed, including your friends, who i saved in the first place.

Wha?
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>>271765497
What the fuck nigga, Cthulhu's down there?

>>271765520
Easier if you could choose your goddamn name.

>>271765448
Maybe a no-pyro, no shield run? When I did SL1 I found pyro to be a godsend. That and my collection of reinforced clubs in all different flavours.
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>>271765110
ah, i see...wander and explorer are more similar in nature though
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>>271765497
That looks edited in.
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>>271765948

It is.
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>>271765751
im like a real life robocop bro, always on the offensive..dont question in, just go with it
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>>271765771
>Maybe a no-pyro, no shield run?
Oh, definitely do that if you were relying on pyromancy. If I were you though, I wouldn't restrict yourself to SL1, because it gets boring using those weapons. You should let yourself put a few points into STR or DEX so you can use a weapon you like. And remember that you can parry with your offhand fist.
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>>271765271
Ash Lake fits perfectly into the world design of Dark Souls, purely from a physical design perspective. It doesn't need to resort to impossible space like a ton of areas in Dark Souls 2 do.
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>>271765653
>my point is kiting enemies is gay as fuck
Then learn to deal with fighting multiple at once, fagget.

I don't even want to read the rest of this no doubt ebin post, but I doubt you're saying something I actually need to reply to.
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>>271719020
>any mask but dadmask
git gud
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>>271765751

Don't give it attention, it's just writing like a tard so you'll notice it.
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>>271766174
>Then learn to deal with fighting multiple at once, fagget.

While this is possible, the combat of Dark Souls doesn't lend itself to it very well. This isn't a secret anon, it's the exact thing Bloodborne is changing up with its more offensive focus; being able to take on multiple enemies and constantly be on the attack. God it looks great.
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>>271766030

If I was to do that I'd be dreading 4Kids. They were a nightmare. The AotA stuff was pretty damn tough as well.
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>>271766347
>the combat of Dark Souls doesn't lend itself to it very well.
Then don't aggro more than one at once.
You can afford to suck at one thing, but you really can't win if you suck at both.
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>>271714269

You fight a giant tree in Demon ruins (obligatory lava level), a laser firing butterfly, a trap, and a giant dog (prepare to cry).
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>>271766347
speak for yourself, I love smacking several slow enemies at once, doing a little dance
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>>271766434
It's tough, but totally possible. I recommend it.
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>>271766174
>no doubt ebin post
>he called my post ebin

t-thanks m8
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>>271766090

But it's literally impossible space when approached within the context of the game world.

>>271765497

>the whole game is like that

What other areas use impossible space? Once again, just because it's based off of something doesn't mean it's any less retarded within the context of the universe itself.
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>first blind run
>guy invades me near gargoiles
>scared as fuck
>summon everyone I see
>summoning phantom
>3 golden niggas spawn into my game
>they all do this weird gesture praze eth
>damn I wanna be golden prazer too
>one guymakes me follow him, open giant door somewhere, shows me a golden shrine
>we go back
>guys are fucking up the invader so good I just can bring myself to watch
>they kill him
>all praze eth
>I become golden prazer
>420
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>>271767475

You could argue that the trap's corridor is impossible space. You could equally argue that it's because of magical, potentially godly, jiggery pokery. Like this is, because there's a certain fella down there with power presumably on the level of the gods.
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>>271767475
>What other areas use impossible space?

I noticed that when I died in Things Betwixt, and moved on to the Forest of Fallen Giants, my bloodstain was floating off to the right above a hill next a tree. I then realized that's where Things Betwixt is supposed to load in. When you're outside Aldia's Keep, and you look beyond, you do not see the tall spires of the Dragon Aerie. When you're outside the Guardian Dragon's cage you can look off in the distance and see the spires. You then take an elevator going straight up, with a door leading BACK towards Aldia's Keep. However looking up outside of the Guardian Dragon's cage there is no Dragon Aerie. Just sky.

From Majula to Heide's Tower it's too short, from Heide's Tower to No Man's Wharf you go below sea level. There is no mountain behind Earthen Peak, etc. Here. Have the DSII map.

https://www.mediafire.com/?qzro4umn5pkzyl3

> just because it's based off of something doesn't mean it's any less retarded within the context of the universe itself.

...But it does. There is no justification for any of the things I just mentioned. There is justification for Ash Lake, the only egregious instance in Dark Souls where this happens.

Are we done yet?
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>get summoned by greataxe hornet fisher over and over again
fuck this fucking game I can't wait until tomorrow or whenever steam switches it over. So hype.
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>>271714269
The parish is the first peak of the game. The second is the Anal Rodeo, and then the DLC is the third and last.
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>>271761070
roll
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>>271769683

Sen's was really pretty memorable, and the archive was quite different too.

Darkroot Garden was comfiest though; when I think of DaS, that's the first image that comes to mind. Forest Hunters 4 lyf
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