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SM4SH Sound design is shit

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Yes, another Smash thread, but this one has a topic not explored fully, to my knowledge: The lazy-ass sound design when it comes to the fighters.

The sound design is incredibly lazy in it when you listen to returning characters. Mario, Link, Pikachu, Cpt. Falcon, Peach, Zelda and many others still have their exact same sound effects from Brawl.

Let me say that again: MARIO and PIKACHU still reuse the same voice clips from 6 years ago.

You're telling me that every Mario spinoff sports game and Mario Party merits them bringing in Charles Martinet to do some new "Wah's" and "Wahoo's," but SMASH isn't important enough for them to record some new ones?

And PIKACHU. Pikachu's voice actress voices Pikachu the Pokemon Anime series, meaning she performs dozens of "Pika's" and "-Chu's" every recording session. And, you're telling me that they couldn't take just a handful of NEW ones for something as important to Nintendo as Super Smash Brothers?

I know this may not seem like a big deal, but sound design is very important to making a game feel unique, giving it its own identity.

We've been listening to the exact same "Falcon PUNCH!" for too long, Nintendo. Give us a new one to gush over.
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>>269387864
Yes, re-do the voices, Fox worked out brilliantly.
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The crowd cheers sound awful now.
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Do we really need new "woo" and "yahoo" noises for Mario and new "pika" noises for Pikachu?
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Why would they waste money and production time to have Mario sound slightly different?
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>>269388156
Yes! Yes we do! At least, I think so. In order for a game to feel unique it needs to have new assets that separate it from previous entries in the series. Sm4sh does this well in every department except this one, making it a glaring oversight for me. I may be alone in this, but there ya go.
>>269388291
Because they do it with every other game that Mario's in, no matter how insignificant the game, so clearly it's not difficult for them to do. In fact, Brawl hackers do it themselves, it's that easy!
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>>269387864
Who cares? If they would have wasted resources on that, people would bitch and say they don't like the new changes, just as it happened with Fox, even though it's the same fucking VA from SF64.
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Doesnt Marth still have his Melee voice?
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>>269388804
Yes, Fox sounds stupid. Can we look away from that for a second here? Just because a new voice sounds bad doesn't mean that every new voice would, especially when some of the most iconic characters: Mario, Link, Pikachu, Luigi and Yoshi all implement the same same voice actors that voiced them before.

Here's the kicker, though: voice actors' intonations change. Their own interpretations of the characters' voices change and, thus, the character evolves. Charles Martinet's Luigi voice is NOT the same one that it was back in Mario Party 2 and his Mario voice has had slight intonation changes even since Brawl, if you listen. The characters have evolved in 6 years, so show it. That's all I'm asking for.
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>>269387864
sound designer hear, even though newer means fresher, newer does not always mean better. Smash 4's sound design isn't particularly stellar, but that has little to do with reused voice clips. In terms of "identity," there's basically no way you could hope for Smash 4 to have any of that in the realm of sound, with a bajillion composers working on the project and sound effects grabbed from several different games. Ultimately, I see where you're coming from, and I don't really disagree, but you've made a lot of double-spaced sentences about shit you probably hardly know anything about and it makes you look hella retarded
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>>269388705
To be honest I didn't even notice or care that they reused voice clips for pikachu and mario until you brought it up.

And I still don't care.

But even if they did make brand new clips unless they had Mario say something extra special, no one would care still.
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>>269389679
Not to be disrespectful, especially with that most brilliant of punnery. But, as you said:
>newer means fresher.
While it is true that
>newer does not always mean better,
does it necessarily mean that freshness cannot be better? It's been Nintendo's philosophy for years to have new voice clips for every appearance of a character in a game. Clearly they did this for a reason in the past, so why stop for something as special as Smash?
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What happened to Fox?
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>>269390261
Dude, I don't know. Because it's a game that likely blew its budget somewhere other than caring about sound. Look at the soundtrack on the 3DS version.

>does it necessarily mean that freshness cannot be better?
No, that's not what I said at all. Simply that freshness may be outweighed by lack of punch, lack of complexity, hamfisted delivery, etc. Actually, now that I think of it, I'm pretty sure both Melee AND 64 grabbed all of Mario's vocal sounds from SM64. Brawl has been the only Smash game to have new, unique voice clips for Mario.
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>>269390854
Nostalgia googles strike again.
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This is the reason I dropped Nintendo I knew they would pull this after how shit brawl was.
Most of the sound design for brawl sounded retarded
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>>269391341
Liking a certain design is not nostalgia.
Nintendo does not know how to release things anymore
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>jigglypuff still reusing the exact same sound clips from fucking smash 64

Part of me is attached to those sound effects, but on the other hand it feels really lazy
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>>269387864

The worst part for me is the new voices. Like Fox. Or Rosalina. Rosalina is particularly bad. The majority of the new voices absolutely suck shit.
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>>269390854
i think the ''TOPIA!!", the "fiYAAAA", his "MissON... COMplete" and his gut wrenching ko sound from melee were really nice but im glad he has new sounds. Makes him sound more human or like a real person/character.
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>>269391002
Plus, not only did Mario have reused voiceclips, Luigi's were just Mario's except pitched up
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>Noone complaining about the Kid Icarus characters all having generic mediocre dub voices
I actually like Ike's english voice, but the KI reps (though Dark Pit probably has the same voice as Pit) just sound shitty

And I like Sonic's new voice actor, never had a problem with it, but he sounds a lot less enthusiastic in Smash 4.
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>>269392197
I'm downloading the voice clips right now to verify this. Will report my findings.
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>>269387864
Donkey Kong and Bowser were ruined in this game

>>269392197
Good fucking lord don't remind me. I hated Luigi's old voice before Martinet did it some justice.
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>>269388156
>>269387864

Lucario got new "argha" and "hooaah" noises.
Ness got new "okay" and "tagh" noises.
Kirby got new "wayo" and "poyo" noises.

Why did they do only some voices and then said "nvm. fuck all the new sounds and music. Just recycle music. Yes, fuck the new victory themes too, stop making them and just recycle them as well"
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>>269392628

Ness and Kirby were rerecorded because they say new lines such as PK Freeze and Kirby's various new powers.
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>>269392628
Kirby's voice got a complete do-over and it sounds great
My only complaint is that his "hiii" taunt isn't that annoying any more
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>>269392628
Lucario got an entirely new voice actor I believe. There's the character I keep forgetting. Lucario never really spoke too many sentences in Brawl iirc. I don't think I like the 3DS voice as much as Brawl's.
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>>269392509
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fR7VqdYjiU

They recycled sonic generations voiceclips
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>>269392808
when he did his final smash he said somethingsomethingPOWEROFTHEAURARAWWWWWGH
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>>269392628
>Yes, fuck the new victory themes too
this actually really fucking pissed me off because Mario and Zelda have absolute fucking garbage victory themes
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>>269392883
What about SUPER SONIC SPEED?
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>>269392509
>but the KI reps (though Dark Pit probably has the same voice as Pit) just sound shitty

Really? Pit in Smash 4 sounds better then his Brawl VA. Granted only Pit's VA (Dark Pit's as well) returned from Uprising as Palutena and Viridi's were busy.
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>>269393047
I keep forgetting where the "sonic speed!" came from.

I miss sonic crying "I'll show you! GRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH" when using his final smash
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>>269392940
>Only Bowser with Bowser Jr. and Rosalina get their own victory themes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDT-L0qV-JU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f3HbMnjQrDo

It would have been nice for Luigi to have something from Luigi's Mansion (Dark Moon).
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>>269392940
>Ness will never have his comfy theme from 64/Melee again

It hurts.
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>>269393402
>>269392906
>actually using final smashes
>ACTUALLY PLAYING with items ON

ffs guys srsly?
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>>269387864
The Falcon Punch is different. And this is a pretty retarded complaint. I haven't played Brawl in several years and would neither notice nor appreciate any changes. What's one "pika" to another? Or one "YAHOO" to the next? It's the same shit and i'm not gonna piss my pants because they didn't make it one decibel off.
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>>269393589
I play with items when my sister or cousins want to play smash and have fun without me just destroying them.
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>>269393402
Is it wrong of me to like Jason Griffith's Sonic better than Roger Craig Smith's? I actually love how unironically campy the voice is. Sonic will never be the same in Smash.

Rest in Peace
YOU'RE TO SLOW
CUMON STEPITUP
I'LL SHOW YOU HUUUUUURRRRAAAAHHHHHHH
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>>269393907
Griffith was TERRIBLE at first imo
But by Unleashed and Black Knight I thought he was pretty good
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>>269393907
Nah, I'm in the same boat. I think Craig's voice sounds way too old for Sonic.
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>>269393907
No, I liked those voice clips. I loved how they had jason record this voice clips just for smash too.

On an unrelated note to smash, I miss ryan drummond even more
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too all sonic players if your side roll into up kick combo doesnt work the first time, it isnt going to work the next fifty times you try it

please cool your autism and play for real
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Be more specific

You talking about voices? Because the sound effects in this game is god tier, hearing sound effects from smb games in the characters and kirby NES sound effects with Kirby and Dedede, it's great.

It varies with voices

Your focusing on the ones that barely change yet ignoring how others like Pit Fox DK and Bowser have altered ones

Don't be nit picky.
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>>269394182
This. I think Peach's turnip pull sound is closer to the nes game too.
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>>269394162
don't let them know that
we just catch them at the end of it and combo forever

let them keep making themselves scrubs
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>>269394182
The problem isn't that they're bad, it's just that they didn't add more to make the game feel alive rather than a corpses with old voice clips prerecorded in them.
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>>269394182
The sound Mario's fireball makes when it hits someone sounds unfitting
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I honestly don't care about whether they reused stuff from characters that speak in sound bites (Mario, Link ect) but I really wish that they updated ALL the characters that acually spoke.

Pit and ZSS both got retakes to a bunch of their lines whereas Marth and Ike are exactly the same. Firstly I'm ready to take the nostalgia goggles off, if you're gonna base Marth off Shadow Dragon it's time for him to speak in English. Or even barring that give him something new to say.

Ike's in the same boat. If you're gonna go through all the work to give him a redesign based off his Radiant Dawn appearance at least give him some new lines to match.
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>>269388048
They redid his voice for every game. This one was just bad.
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>Olimar still doesn't have voice clips
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>>269395087
...people play Olimar?
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>dk and bowser still have generic animal grunts

Fucking why? Takashi Nagasako exists. Kenny James exists.
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64 sound effects >= Melee sound effects > all
64 announcer >>> Brawl announcer >> Melee announcer = Smash 4 announcer

>>269392509
Uprising Pit > Brawl Pit
And Palutena's VA couldn't make it to Smash 4 so they had to change her.

>>269393207
Thye changed Viridi as well?
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>>269395087
>Alph doesn't have voice
FUCKING WHY
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>>269395119
>generic animal grunts
you mean lower quality garbles and gurgling noises. I constantly bitch about this everywhere but they actually fucked up the voices between Brawl and Smash 4. those are not animal noises.
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>>269395117
>There are people who don't play as brOlimar

Bad taste if I've ever seen it.
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Yes OP, Sm4sh reuses a lot of assets from Brawl.

Its almost if the game was Brawl 2......Oh wait!
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>>269395119

>Kenny James's Bowser will never be in Smash
>Bowser will never roar "SHOWTIME" as he transforms into Giga Bowser
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>>269392527
Okay, so I found that Melee Mario had quite a number of new voice clips that seem to have been lifted from 64, but there were many others not found in 64's that were brand new voice clips.

>>269394182
I am talking specifically about the voice clips. The rest of the sound design is great, I concede to that.

>>269394679
Finally, someone else is on the same page as myself. Update the character in Smash to fit their current interpretation. This is how you show how a character has evolved. For a game like Smash, where fan-service is half the fun, showing how a character has changed is just as important as showing off where they've come from. See pic related: Current voice actor, moveset inspired by the classic games and modern ones alike.
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>>269395480
>new voice clips lifted
meant to say "old"
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>>269389605

>characters
>have
>evolved

It's just Smash, bro. There's no fucking canon. Let it go.
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Captain Falcon's voice is perfect, and doesn't need to be changed.

Look what happened to Fox. He got new sounds, and everyone hates them.
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I'm more disappointed that characters like Olimar/Alph didn't get voices, but I can't say I expected anything less from Sakurai.

Other than that, I don't fucking care. Also I hope edgy blue Kirby's deep ass voice starts getting used in actual Kirby games.

>Metaknight will never tell you to COME
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>>269395087
>>269395303
Because they don't make any sounds outside of cutscenes?
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>>269396007
>Hasn't played the Pikmin games 2 or 3
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>>269395645
For a game like Smash, lore is one of the MOST important things. Perhaps not Smash's lore itself, but the lore of the games that its fighters hail from and staying true to those characters. This is why people were so hyped over the Kremlings in Smash Run. It meant they were acknowledging an era of DK that had been ignored for several years.
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>>269396007
>Samus never speaks out of cutscenes
>Zelda doesn't exist out of cutscenes
>A number of characters included i don't care to remember
Bad reasoning.
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>wanting a new falcon punch

but the one we have is already perfect

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuq47Ii0UHY
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>>269396246
>Zelda doesn't exist out of cutscenes
WRONG
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>>269392170
>Makes him sound more human or like a real person/character
He sounds like a fucking cartoon character, His Brawl/Assault voice was perfectly fine
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>reused menu sfx
>reused victory themes
>same shitty menu UI from Brawl

Fucking why?
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There will be never ending bitching about this game won't there?
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>>269396253
Falcon's YEEEEERRRAAAAAAGGGGHHHH is the superior voice clip. This is fact.
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>>269396589
i wish meta knight sounded more like the anime meta knight
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>>269396348
And maybe last boss fights. That's about it.
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>>269396867
>SUCK UP DIS TOURCH
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>>269397054
TORTORTORCH
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Jigglypuff hasn't had new lines since 64.
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>>269397054
I'LL USE THIS FRYING PAN... AS A DRYING PAN!
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>>269395739
Kirby and Charizard got new voice clips and everyone's fine with them. At least, I'm pretty sure Charizard's are new. They sound new to me.

Yes. Fox sounds stupid. Now, can someone raise their hand and give me a changed voice clip that is NOT fox's that has been universally panned? Don't be shy, children.
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>>269395473
>no chest-beating taunt where he shouts "I RULE!"
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>I HATE FOX'S NEW VOICE WAAAA
>It's his voice actor from Star Fox 64
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Bowser and DK are the fucking worst, especially DK.
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>>269397385
kek

Proof that some people just wear their nostalgia goggles too tight.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=98y0XBmztnI
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>>269397385
Yeah, it's the same voice actor, 17 years later without N64 compression.
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>>269395473
>Takashi Nagasako
>not Richard Yearwood
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>>269392170
I wish they would reuse Melee fox's voice. It's the best one.
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>>269397240
i dun git it
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>>269397617

FIRE
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>>269397657
Metaknight in the Kirby anime has the same VA as Brock.
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>>269396382
brawl's voice was pretty forgettable. Atleast smash 4's identifiable, which gives fox more character, even if it is that of a clown.

His melee voice also gave him character to make him be remembered as a badass who shouter random shit with a cool tone.
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