Hey guys let's put Mario in Smash Here's his moveset!!

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Problem?

>>268284695
You upset that he's a meme?

It's not though. Only his standard B is like that.

His other moves come from all his other games such as Pac Land and vanilla Pac Man.

That's because Pac Man has nomoves. They had almost nothing to work with because all Pac Man does is eat dots.

If you want to see a third party character designed with love for which literally nothing was made up, I direct you to Mega Man.

yesterday I watched the pacman tv show for the first time
It was the "I'm a meme" episode. I never want to watch tv again.

>>268284695
I kinda agree. the bonus fruit is ok but the front smash should have been a chomp attack. Him shooting out ghosts maybe should have only been reserved for the down b. maybe they could have the slingshot from pacman 2. I don't get the relevance of the hydrant. maybe if they wanted him to be representative of classic namco arcade games and dig dug themed attack would have been cool.

The fire hydrant is from Pac-Land

Lurk more faggot

How in the fuck else would you have designed him? Just boring punching and kicking? It showcases his history well and is fun as fuck. Not to mention he's actually good.

>>268285180
>2. I don't get the relevance of the hydrant
How underage.

Am i really getting too old for this site, jeesus.

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>>268285050
>all Pac-Man does is eat dots

I swear it's like people ignore the fact that the Pac-Man World trilogy exists. There's several moves that could have been pulled from those games.

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>he had faith in Masahiro FYI fuck you Sakurai

>>268285205
not include him in the game at all ideally

literally anyone else would have been better

>>268285340
Sakurai don't give a shit, he just don't, he hates videogames, nintendo and his fans

>>268285361
Kill yourself. Pac-Man was a great addition, he's one of my most played characters.

m-m-muh purple parent killing dragon :((((((((

>>268285454
>Ridley
I wanted Ashley not that dragon

>>268285546
You're even worse than ridleyfags then. Thank God delusional people like you weren't in charge of the roster. Game would be a fucking mess.

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Pacman is supposed to represent Namco's arcade years ya dingus. His moveset is just fine.

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>>268285546
>I wanted Ashley

You were better off letting people think you wanted Ridley.

>>268285708
>same reaction images every time
Sup noa shill

>>268285314
I don't get it either, and I'm far from being underage.

Why is that a thing?

>>268284695
>Down B
>something not related to Pac-Man
Holy shit, I really hope this is bait.
It's probably just someone mad that a Pac-main beat them

His alts are the real issue

>>268285340
>Sakurai
>Sticking with a Character's original game for a moveset
>Ness
>Lucas
>Ganondorf
>Toon Link

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>Implying Pacman isn't a badass edition

>>268285925
They probably weren't allowed to make him anything but yellow.

another reason Mega Man is the best 3rd party

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>>268285627
Yeah, thank god we got Wii Fit Trainer, Dark Pit, Nameless dog and Nameless FE Tactician instead of Chrom, Black Knight, Mewtwo or Ashley.

>>268285838
>Why is that a thing?

It's a reference to Pac-Land, one of the first sidescrolling platformers before Mario made the genre super popular. Hell Pac-Land is even a stage in the Wii U version.

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>>268285810
>not wanting retarded characters in the roster means you're a shill

>>268286053
Who?

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>>268285810
Call me whatever you want, you're the one who wanted Ashley playable.

>>268286214
Your tears are delicious Ashleyfag

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>>268286053
>edition

>>268286369
Oh so you are a noa shill
I knew it

>>268286214
it was hilarious how upset people were over fucking Ashley of all characters.
>ashleyfags complaining about other characters

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>>268286214
Wii Fit Trainer is one of Nintendo's most recognizable characters to the casual audience

Robin is the main character of FE:A and has a very unique moveset, Chrom would just be another swordsman

You call Duck Hunt Duo nameless yet you want characters like Ashely and Black Night

>>268285340
Yeah but those games suck donkey dig faggot.

>>268285340

>B: Jigglypuff's rollout
>Up B: Something like his side B, only original thing
>Side B: Wario's chomp
>Down B: Yoshi's butt slam

Yeah, would have been great.

>implying the Pac is not the best newcomer

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>>268286214
>instead of Chrom, Black Knight, Mewtwo or Ashley
Literally anybody else would have been better than those. Even sakurai thinks so, since none of them are in.

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>>268285546
>I wanted Ashley

I'm sorry. sir. Retarded pedophiles are not welcome in this thread.

>>268284695
>shoots out a triforce

You never played Pac-Land then?

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>people want a boring standard moveset for Pac-Man instead of the very unique and fun one we got
Hydrant and fruits are godlike.

>>268286687
>Pig Mario
What game was this?

>>268286468
Ok there pedophile

>>268286754
Tomba 2.

pacland? i have never seen that shit in my life and i was born in the 80s. the hydrant is just a obstacle?

There's not a whole lot Pac-Man can do, especially since apparently Namco only wanted shit from the arcade era. I admit, I don't like how the ghosts are suddenly on his side either, but considering the constraints they had to work with I'd say his moveset's pretty damn good.

Also the hydrants are from Pac-Land, you dumb fuck.

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>>268286481
>minor character in a spinoff of a spinoff of a spinoff gets an AT
>main characters from other games get jack shit
>someone took the time to model a minor character in a spinoff of a spinoff from scratch
>just for this epic FYI troll

FUCK YOU SAKURAI I HOPE YOU FUCKING DIE

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Pac-Man gives other Namco games some needed some representation.

>>268284695
If the entirety of every notable Mario game was avoiding/defeating the four-man enemy team that is Bowser, Goomba, and two Koopa Troopas, it would be similar. Pac-Man is much more closely linked thematically to his enemies, because there are only four of them and they're always presentchasing you, than Mario is to goombas and koopas.

If Mario was a guest character in another company's game, having a move that tossed around Nintendo memorabillia wouldn't seem out of place either. Pac-Man is representing Namco in it's entirety.

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>>268284695
>Shits out a triforce
Confirmed bait, keep moving everyone.

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>>268286539
My point wasn't that his moveset would have been better than the one he has now, it was that those games show that Pac-Man has done more than just "eat dots" in the past.

>>268286523
World 2 is one of the best Pac-Man games ever

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>>268286829
The fuck do you mean Tomba 2? That was a playstation game.

>>268286890
that's not fucking 'trolling', you dipshit.

He wouldn't announce a newcomer in a pic of the day without giving them a fucking newcomer page. Anybody who got 'trolled' by that is a fucking dipshit.

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>>268287046

>>268285340
And they did pull the Flip Kick animation from it as his up-Air. I'm just disappointed the Hip Drop is nowhere to be seen here.

I'm happy for what they did with him, except that his smashes don't feel very right.

>>268284695
Pacman is less of his own character and more of a celebration of his arcade roots. He's an ambassador for all arcade games and his play style reflects that OP. if you have a problem with that, well I simply don't know what to say other than SETTLE IT IN SMASH YOU COCKMUNCHER

>>268286581
Fuck you I wanted Mewtwo I bet you jack off to Furcario faggot

>doing u-turns with Pac-Man's side-b
Truly the greatest feeling

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>>268287167
Not my fault those hips don't lie.

>>268287102

>I'M NOT GONNA BE IN THE SEQUEL

>>268286925

They're all generic attacks.

ALART
ALART

>>268287323
Best taunt

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>>268287097
These guys got 'trolled'
They all own Nintendo systems
Are they dipshits too?

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>>268287167
>projecting

>>268285340
There were several moves pulled form that his nair is the kick flip and his dash smash is a albeit weaker rev up attack

>>268286894
i accidentally a grammar

>>268287376
Well they post on Miiverse so yes they are

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>>268287376
>Are they dipshits too?
gee, i fucking wonder

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>>268286214
>What a huge betrayal by Sakurai.
>I bet pacman is going to get in while good characters like Ashley rot.

>>268286214
The character your statement applies to is Mewtwo.

>people that like Pacman are respectable oldies on the board

>people that hate him are newfags

Anyone that hates pacman is a newfag that has no respect for gaming history guaranteed 100%

>>268287284
nevar 4get

>>268287294
That's still more than just "eating dots", which is what the anon I was replying to stated being all Pac-Man has ever done.

>>268287376
What do you fucking think?

They're all children or bottom of the barrel retards.

>>268286214
HINT: Da Cunt was added as a new Retro Rep since Ice Climbers had to be cut.
HINT: Ashley is completely irrelevant and will never be playable.

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What the fuck's the appeal behind Ashley? Don't get me wrong, I'd like to see another WarioWare rep but even then Mona would be far more likely since she's more relevant.

>>268287689
HINT: Nintendo is going bankrupt
HINT: I'll never invest in their shit ever again

>>268287813
Sexy unenthusiastic loli. Literally thats it.

>>268287813
pedos love their lolis

>>268287813
Goths love her

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>>268287856
>HINT: Nintendo is going bankrupt
>The 3DS version sold over a million copies in its first weekend on sale in Japan, and has sold more than 2.8 million copies worldwide as of October 7, 2014
Thats just for the watered down gimped 3ds version too. Nintendo isn't going anywhere child.

>>268287856
they still have a shit ton of money from last gen they are not going to die for a while

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>>268287856
>Nintendo is going bankrupt

>>268287813
People expect her to have a unique moveset due to her being a witch/magician, which Smash lacked before 4.
With Palentua and Robin added, we have more magic now. The only reason to need her now is because you want more Warioware reps, which would better be filled by Mona or 9-volt.

>>268287813
She's a goth loli. That's it.

I love WarioWare, but adding anyone from it (besides Wario himself, of course) as a playable character is fucking stupid. Even in their own series, their presence is restricted to a few cutscenes.

>>268288008
Can't wait to see your face when Nintendo goes third party

>>268287856
>Nintendo
>going bankrupt

At worst they'll withdraw from home consoles and just continue being the top dog when it comes to portable gaming which means no ICs in Smash ever again :^)

I don't understand the love for Ashley, like why her over every other random warioware side character?

Did she just get arbitrarily latched on to?

>>268288179
Which is never. They'll always be the kings of handheld and with handheld games getting more and more popular in Japan Nintendo will always have enough money to stay afloat.

Wish i could say the same about Sony. :^)

>In the latest of a series of downgrades to its earnings outlook, Sony said it expected to post a loss of ¥230 billion ($2.15 billion)—almost five times what it forecast four months ago—for the current fiscal year as it wrote down the book value of its mobile communications unit.

>>268285546
>Pac-Man doesn't have anything to draw from, he doesn't deserve to be in
>But Ashley does, despite having much less to work with.

I'm having a hard time taking you seriously.

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>>268288179

>>268288201
Are you forgetting about the power of the N3DS™

>>268288301
She's cute

>>268285340
Pac man in Smash is based off Pac Land and arcade stuff.

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>>268286970
Wow, that's saying a lot.

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>>268287813
You want this candy Timmy? YOU WANT IT YOU YOU YOU WANT IT FAGGOT?
THEN FYI
FUCK YOUUUUUUUUUUUU YOU CAN'T HAVE IT! YOU CAN'T HAVE IT HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I want my candy

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>>268285080
>I'm a meme episode

What?

>>268288506
your lucky shes even AT

>>268288301
She's a loli.
She's a grumpy loli.
She's a grumpy abusive loli.

>>268288506
you are a small child who is screaming and crying and throwing a tantrum over getting less ice cream than you wanted

>>268288179
I'd actually prefer that, since they'd probably stick to PCs and then I wouldn't have to buy any new consoles to play their games.

>>268288301
I think she got a fanbase because 1) she's a cute loli and 2) she really wants friends which allows neckbeards to fantasize about befriending her.

>>268288506
>corrected not even a minute later

haha wow sakurai's such a le epic troll where his reddit account so i can upvote him

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>>268285361
>Namco is developing the game
>not putting Pac-Man in

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>>268288506
I thought you already had a van-full of candy

>>268288580
http://youtu.be/-OINtcYyanY

>>268288301
like Ridley and Geno and others, she had a small but dedicated fanbase, then lots of other idiots latched onto that without realizing why anybody actually wanted the character in the first place

>Duck Hunt pulls out Mexicans from some other game unrelated to Duck Hunt
>Mega Man has le megaman through the generations #RETROGAMER for final smash
Along with Pac-Man, Duck Hunt should have never been in the game. Mega Man should have been altered.

>>268288590
I never asked for her, and I sure as hell wasn't expecting her

But making a FUCKING MODEL FROM FUCKING SCRATCH INSTEAD OF PORTING A MODEL FROM ANOTHER GAME LIKE MIDNA JUST FOR THAT FYI SHIT WAS BULLSHIT I HOPE YOU DIE SAKURAI I SERIOUSLY FUCKING HOPE YOU DIE

>>268288889
Did you miss out on Duck Hunt's Zapper attacks? Did you miss out that Duck Hunt uses attacks related to the Zapper?

>>268286468
>shill
do you even know what that means?

>>268288889
Honestly, I can see Duck Hunt, I can play as them, and I've been beaten by them. It still doesn't feel real. They don't look like they belong it the game at all. It just feels fake, like a weird dream.

>>268288980
From where would they get the Ashley model?

>>268287284
Post it pls.

>>268286890
shit taste m8

There isn't much to work with Mario either. He just punches and kicks. Is that what you would rather Pac Man do? Just be an alternative to Mario?

>>268286468
Do you even understand what shill means, dipshit?

>>268289154
FROM MY UNREALISTIC EXPECTATIONS

>>268288980
Most of the models were made from scratch, and I'm sure Midna's was as well. I'm pretty sure the exceptions would have just been the sprite characters, things like Andross, and the Kid Icarus assist trophies, but those last ones will probably at least be improved for the Wii U version.

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>ICs cut because of 3DS hardware limitations
>Snake cut because of a strained business relationship between Konami and Nintendo
>Squirtle and Ivysaur cut because the transforming mechanic was cut and neither of them have Mega Evolutions
>Wolf cut because he was a clone character of an overrepresented franchise, and he lacked the tenure that Falco had
>Lucas cut because reasons
Before you say BUT MUH RELEVANCE or BUT MUH CLONES, I will remind you that Duck Hunt, Dark Pit, Lucina, and Dr. Mario are all on the roster.

>>268286214
>ashley

literally who?

>>268288980
I don't understand what your problem is.

You're mad that she's in the game?

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>Using Yellow Meme Ball
>Not using the Robot Lemon-shooter Man

>>268289278
Okay. Stay mad.

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>>268289278
>Still mad about Duck Hunt

Ice Climbers being cut is bullshit but don't you even dare put Duck Hunt on the same level as Dark Pit.

>>268288889
The mexicans are from Hogan's Alley, another Zapper game. Duck Hunt's supposed to represent the Zapper as a whole. Plus he's a really retro rep like Ice Climbers, G&W, Pit, and ROB, so there's precedence for him. I'm not even sure what you're saying is wrong with Mega Man's final smash. Try using less buzzwords.

>>268289238
Well Mario has a fuckton of powerups that he can pull out and use. You could probably give him like three different movesets entirely. But he's supposed to be the archetypical basic character that's easy to play ala Ryu, so he's made to be boring.

>>268289278
I love this pasta

>>268289278
>no one ever talks about IC
>they get cut
>omg y Sakurai they were my fav ;____;

Good riddance to them. Shit characters with one of the worst levels in Smash history

>>268286581
mewtwo shoulda made it, new movie(not perfect, but. . .) was part of the reveal for mega forms, and a veteran.

>>268289278
If Star Fox was overrepresented with three reps, then I find it hard to believe that Earthbound deserved two. It has three total games, the creator is done with the series, the last one was years ago, only one of the games was ever localized, and it's ultimately a cult series with a substantial amount of its popularity coming from Ness's inclusion in Smash Bros.

I wanted Lucas back to, but it's understandable that they'd consider it not important. He wouldn't have even been as easy to make as the three other clones because 90% of his A moves were unique. A Lucas costume for Ness would have been nice, though, considering you can already give Ness Lucas's specials.

>>268289154
Game and Wario

>>268289520
>Hogan's Alley
Wild Gunman. The can is from Hogan's Alley.

>>268288780
underrated post

>>268289831
I really doubt the model from her game is usable for anything.

How does that even work?

>>268289831
>WarioWare games
>3D models

>>268289278

Duck Hunt isn't a clone

>>268286214

Holy fuck the Autism. I can respect that some people likes Ashley and everything, but ever thinking that she could be playable is fucking DELUSIONAL.
>M-m-muh waifu

>>268289152
Agreed, it's like some weird shit you'd dream about, like Goku being on the roster.
I even like them, but they're just so bizarre.

>>268284695
>Mario's smashes throw out the original SM1 sprites of his classic enemies

Am I the only one surprisingly OK with this?

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>>268285340
He could stare blankly at you and then walk off in the wrong direction.

>>268286494
To be honest, I'd rather haver Chrom than Lucina. I mean, Sakurai's argument for not putting Chrom was like "we didn't want another swordsman, so we put Robin instead."

That makes sense, right? But then why add Lucina? A complete clone of Marth? That's hypocrisy

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>>268285340

>>268290539
because Lucina was quick and easy to add compared to Chrom.

>>268288680
Why the fuck would they stick to PC's?

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>There are people in this world who don't like Pacman's moves

>>268290539
Makes a bit more sense when you realize Lucina was a last minute addition who was originally just going to be an alternate costume.

>>268284695

Pacman serves as a namco showcase, if he didn't he'd probably just play like a mix of kirby and sonic.

That being said, the one move that makes no sense to me is his fire hydrant, just because it's too obscure to be considered a cameo. Fire hydrants were a common obstacle in Pacland and they had very minor significance in Pacman 2 The New Adventures. It seems more like an inside joke than an actual cameo.

The Mappy up B and the boss galaga grab make sense to me. The jelly and yellow galaxian thing are definitely the most obscure. Ultimately I like how Pacman plays because it's unique to the rest of the cast. He has as much variety as Game & Watch except it's all procedural and nothing's random.

>>268290539
Because she's a clone. If he added Chrom and made him a clone of Marth people would have bitched to no end

>>268290539
They didn't want to invest SUBSTANTIAL dev time on another blue haired swordsman from Fire Emblem, so they made Robin. Lucina was going to be a Marth costume, but they decided to alter her slightly or something ended up happening, and Sakurai's policy was that if they would end up even a little different, they get their own space on the roster.

Why Lucina over Chrom, though, well, it should be obvious why they'd select Lucina as a Marth costume/clone over Chrom, and by the time they decided to make Lucina, Chrom was probably already a part of Robin's final smash

>>268290539
Lucina practically is Marth, it's even implied that she's his reincarnation IIRC. It's one thing to add a Lucina model, but entirely another to design a unique moveset for Chrom, basically wasting time designing another "guy with sword" moveset.

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>>268290581

Oh lawdy

>>268290612
PCs have been gaining popularity as an actual gaming platform again in Japan, so in some hypothetical future where NIntendo goes third-party, I would imagine that'd be their platform of choice. Granted anything can happen

>>268290607
>>268290815

I know that. My point is that he is an hypocrite by saying "this is the reason we didn't add X kind of character" but then, in the same inteverview he said "also we added X kind of character".

Instead of giving dumb excuses, just like his reason for not adding subspace emissary people upload the cinematics on youtube? really?, why not just shut up?

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>>268285361
>Not putting in the most recognizable video game character of all time

>>268291041
He's a hyporite if you have absolutely no contextual awareness. It's obvious from what he said and from circumstance that fleshed out characters and clones are considered differently. He only talked about Chrom with regards to Robin, as a unique character. Lucina, a clone who took no time to develop, is irrelevant.

>>268290880
>>268290915
>>268290958
Damn, you guys are 2fast for me. Anyway, my real problem with Sakurai is this >>268291041

Not that he added Lucina instead of Chrom, but his dumb justification of adding Robin because he didn't want another swordsman, but then adds Lucina, the most swordsman out there.

>>268291189

But Mario is already in it...

>>268291280
It's all about context, anon

>>268286890
>>268288506
>>268288980
>>268285356

If you actually think "FYI" was Sakurai taunting you and rubbing it in your face, your butthurt has clouded your perception. You want to see Sakurai being an asshole to justify your anger. He realized after posting that all the Miiverse kiddies would think she's a playable character if he didn't clarify. Same goes for Takamaru.

>>268285340

Too bad they wanted the arcade character Pac-Man in Smash and not Mr. Random Ass 3D Platformer Mascot With A Pac-Man Skin.

If I could let's turn this into a more productive thread
Name 1 character you'd take off the roster and 1 character you would put in (they have to have some history with nintendo)

>>268291280
Because he didn't want another swordsman who would take time and effort to create over a more interesting character with a more unique moveset. He then adds Lucina, who takes no time and effort to create and does not at all contradict his desire to not have their resources being put toward a tehnically unique character who has nothing new to offer to the roster

>>268291406
They used the Pac-Man World design, though.

>>268288794
Meme's have been around since before the internet, you fucking autistic fucking shit.

Can't like Megaman now, since he's the meme that inspired Gutsman's ass
Can't like Mario since he's the meme who started Youtube Poops.
Can't like Sonic because he meme's PINGAS.

>>268291430
Dark Pit and Mickey Mouse

>>268291430
Dark Pit
Wolf

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>>268291430
Someone from Famicom. Tamagon? Takamaru? Kid Goku? Donbe?

>>268291430
Remove Dark Pit add Kyary Pamyu Pamyu

>>268291513
they used the design that was on the arcade cabinet

>>268291430
Dork Pit

Andy or Jake from AW. yes, they drop 16-bit sprite units with their B-moves

>>268291430
Dark Pit
Snake

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>>268291513

Please kill yourself.

>>268285050
FIRE HYDRANT IS ALL YOU FUCKING NEED

>>268291430
Dark Pit
Ashley

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>>268284695
This is like the fifth thread you've made in the past two days hating Pac-Man, you might want to reconsider your life goals and submit to the Pac.

>>268291430
I'm actually okay with the roster but

>get rid of a clone
>put in another Metroid rep
>Dark Samus but with unique moveset

>get rid of Ganondorf
>put in Ganondorf with unique moveset

>get rid of Lucario
>put in a better Pokemon that I'm not sure on yet

>>268291521
>calls somebody else a 'fucking autistic fucking shit'
>while shouting over nothing

>>268284695
Pac man has nowhere near as much exposure though

>>268291430
Dark Pit
Simon Belmont.

>>268291430
Take out lucina (aka worse marth) and put in Isaac

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>>268291430
Dark Pit
Meowth

>>268291430
Dark Pit
Bandana Waddle Dee

>>268291521
We aren't talking about not liking a character because of a meme, we're talking about not liking a shitty cartoon because it's a shitty cartoon. Keep up, man.

>>268291780
People get assblasted for Pacman saying 'I'm a meme' once, yet fucking lose their shit over youtube poops that made Megaman, Sonic and Mario more popular.

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>>268291773
>Keep Ganondorf
>remove Dark Pit
>add Toon Ganondorf or Pig Ganon

>>268289278
What the fuck is wrong with Duck Hunt to you people?
Lucina, Dr. Mario, and fucking Dark Pit I get, but Duck Hunt?

I'm still wondering why fucking Tetris isn't in the Smash series yet. It IS a Nintendo game.

>>268291430
Don't care who
Ashley

>>268288716
>Namco is developing the game
>not putting Kazuya in

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>>268291513

>>268291958
So... Pacman gets shit, yet Donkey Kong, Kirby, Pikachu, Mario, Megaman, Sonic, and Link get a free pass?

>>268292001
NOBODY is getting assblasted over Pacman saying 'I'm a meme'.
You've literally fabricated that out of nowhere

>>268291832
I love you

Pacman represents Namco. Having a bunch of namco stuff for his moves makes sense.

>>268292120
They're making fun of the cartoon. Nobody in the conversation said anything about Smash

awful poll from /ssbg/:

http://strawpoll.me/2803592

>>268292137
Then explain this.
>>268285080

>>268292120
What are you fucking talking about?

Do you do this every time anybody says anything? Start talking barely relevant bullshit?

>>268292003
I don't think Nintendo actually owns the IP. We got away with those songs in Brawl because they were Russian folk songs that nobody owns.

faggots wanting Ashley when 9-Volt is shit ton more representative than him.
we'll never get a wario ware rep anyways

>>268292308
If people complain about Pacman having a shitty cartoon, look at the fucking characters mentioned. Pikachu's fucking cartoon has been going on since 1996.

>>268292301
>what is basic context

>>268292275
>She should but she won't
Why would people want this? Do people not like the King?

>>268288794
Context?

>>268291430
Dark Pit
Protoman

I feel this is more realistic since Proto would still be a clone and I think he has way more appeal than Dark Pit.

>>268292409
Jesus fucking christ are you stupid?

Nobody is saying pac-man is shit because he has a shitty cartoon. They're just saying he has a shitty cartoon.

You're fucking ridiculous, anon. Please stop posting.,

>>268292371
>How dare you like that character, here, you're going to like this other one instead!

Based Nintendo

>>268291430

Dark Pit

MONSTER HUNTER

MH Is the lifeblood of the 3DS, deserves a slot.

>>268292120
Pac-Man in Smash is great, the cartoon isn't.

Also many of the cartoons you named are much better than the Pac-Man one. DK's show, for instance, is pure gold.

>>268291430
Dark Shitter
Ashley

>>268287046
Dat filename

>>268292636
Really? It had worse CGI then Reboot and Beast Wars. There's fucking segments when King K.Rool's belly button just decides to fuck off and floats away.

It sounds like a lot of people hate dark pit
Why did he make it in in the first place?

>>268292909

Fujoshi

>>268292120
Just stop posting, you're reading way too much into what people are saying

>one guy implies that the pac-man cartoon is shit based on one scene
>you take this to mean he thinks Pac-man is completely terrible in every way but that every other character with a cartoon is okay

>>268292909
I'll give you three guesses and all of them are Sakurai.

>not putting duke nukem instead of puck-man
fuck

People only wanted Ashley when they realized she existed via Brawl's "Ashley" song (which was a horrible cover and I hate everything about it, why didn't Mike's theme get into SSB4 over it).

Loli-shitters don't actually play Wario Ware, it was literally just the acknowledgement of her existence that made people want her. Like if they were actual Wario Ware fans they'd want someone like Jimmy T, 9-Volt, or Mona. Wario Ware doesn't even NEED another character really, I'd prefer Captain Syrup from Wario Land but that's never gonna happen.

Anyway the point is you loli faggots are literally cancerous and you're lucky Ashley even has an assist trophy. She is in no way as big of a deal as you make her. Fuck you and everything you stand for, iconography is the ultimate reason for Smash characters to be IN Smash. Literally every one of them maybe barring Lucina and Dark Pit are some sort of well known representation of a certain era or piece of Nintendo.

>>268288601
that's funny because her theme (either language) doesn't make her sound grumpy. They sound like saturday morning cartoon themes.

Official "I am a huge faggot" user Power rankings:

1. Rosalina users
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900. Sonic users
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900000000. Anyone else.

>>268292909
easy to add (literally just recolor pit, record some new voice lines and add one new move), and because of Sakurai's bias

He's shitty but it's not like his being in the game actually makes it worse

>>268293179
don't forget Pit/Dark Pit players

>both of them are comprised in no small part of fujoshi and creepy shotafags
>many Dark Pit players play him because other people don't like him

At least Ashley got an assist trophy, K. Rool didn't get shit.

>>268293179
You forgot to add people who main pokemon that aren't pikajew or jiggs

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>>268292810
But the music was catchy as shit and surprisingly well done. Maybe that's not enough to call it great but it's certainly helped me remember it more than the others.

>>268293075
>I'd prefer Captain Syrup from Wario Land

My nigga

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>>268288601
People who like Ashley also ship Waluigi and Ashley together.

>>268293075
>Sakurai will never re-invent the comedy trio with the token hot girl leader with Wario, Waluigi and Syrup for a Smash storyline.

>>268293216
>There are SIX different trophies dedicated to Princess Zelda

Fucking Sakurai and his bias

>>268293378
I mained Squirtle

>>268292909
According to Sakurai, it was the same deal as Lucina. Dark Pit was originally just an alt but got a tweak and thus became a full-fleged character.

>>268293075
>ds version
>monotone but charming when needed
>brawl
>the japs make her sound 5 and the english make her sound like she doesn't have issue and come off as kids bop tier bad

>>268293154
Play the games she's in, don't just listen to her Brawl themesong. In the games, she's grumpy and spooky in a cutesy way that appeals to otaku.

>>268293416
trophies aren't really the same thing as actual playable characters, and I'm hardly making any great criticism of Sakurai over this.

Anybody in charge of a crossover game is bound to be biased in some way, especially towards their own characters.

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>>268293389
>Doronjo
>Yatterman-2 still works her way into the montage

>>268293478
According to Sakurai, a two person fighting team is impossible.
>Duck Hunt and Duck
>Alph/Olimar with Pikmin
>Rosalina with Luma.

Toooootally impossible. Sorry Ice Climbers.

>>268286468
Look, we all know that you're new because of GG, but try to tone the autism down just a little bit.

>>268293454
Squirtle isn't in smash 4.

I'm more talking about the people who roll across the stage and spam Charizard's side+B/aura ball/water shurikens all day.

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MS PAC-MAN IS A BETTER GAME THAN VANILLA PAC-MAN

>>268293389
I dunno about Waluigi. I sort of get the perverse pleasure from knowing he'll literally never be in a mainline Wario title.

Like something about Waluigi being a random fuck Wario plays Tennis with is infinitely amusing to me. He's just this guy. This enigma.
Giving him too much spotlight would tarnish the mystery of the Waa.

>>268293075
Only people who want Ashley are fat fetishes who hope her B button move would make soon your pants won't fit

But it has a chance of backfiring on herself.

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>>268293632
I'm trying to make a point here. Wario Waluigi and Syrup would be a fucking throw back to old villian teams like that.

And then you can have them cross pathes with the only people still doing the comedic trio of villains.

>>268284695
Yes, fair-minded people will agree that he's a wasted slot.

>>268291430
Dark Pit
Isaac

>>268293641

Not this shit again.

>THERE ARE STILL RETARDS CRYING ABOUT CLONES
Holy FUCK I knew you guys were retarded but this is just too much. The fact that they're hardly different from their original characters means they didn't take any fucking time to make, so there's no way they're taking up the "slot" of a better character.

>>268293641
They aren't as complex as ICs. Also, you forget how badly they fucked up Olimar.

>>268293723
I learned how to do the cheat at arcades because I fucking hate Ms.Pacman

>>268286523
You suck donkey dick faggot.

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>>268293768
das hot

>>268293329
That is true, the Pits are probably around Sonic's level.
Though I think everyone can agree that Rosalina, on top of being lame as a general character, is overpowered waifu faggotry.

>>268286494
ifyou prefer her over a classic character then you are what is wrong with nintendo and vidia in general

>>268293864
If Sakurai fucking whipped his team, they could find a way to have the ice climbers in.

>>268293641
None of those are like Ice Climbers. Duck Hunt Duo aren't separate from each other. Luma's AI is far less complex since it uses the exact same inputs as Rosalina. Olimar has less Pikmin and they're sprites instead of models, so yes they did get affected by the 3DS.

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>>268293862
They're children, it cannot be helped.

>>268286214
That image is beautiful

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>have all these choices
>Lucina, Dr. Mario, Dark Pit.

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>mfw hardly anybody played Mappy and recognizes his Up B
I giggled like a god damn schoolgirl, shit.

>>268291430
Lucina
Black Shadow

>>268293641
The duck is nothing more than a weapon, retard. Duck Hunt dog and duck don't do anything disjointed. Pikmin are just throwable items that follow behind you, and Luma has no AI at all besides drifting back to Rosalina.

>>268293767
I like the way you put it, but him bro-ing it up with Wario needs to happen. I'm still mad that they made the game about being a greedy motherfucker getting coins feature Mario.

>>268293370
Working as intended.

>>268291430
Dark Pit
Mewtwo

Also, DAMN. It's just Dark Pit that most have a big problem with.

> Dr. Mario gets a free pass because he was in Melee
> Lucina was actually discussed logically by /v/
I don't know what's going on, but I'm glad we can all agree on something.

>>268287592
Only one of his attacks are eating dots, and his moveset is much better and more unique than your shitty fanfic tier moveset.

>>268294326
Sakushit owns a PS4 and a goddamn Vita TV.

He doesn't have time to play those old Nintendo games.

>>268294409
Wasn't Ice Climbers gimmick in Melee to mirror each other's moves, just facing opposite ways?

>>268293723
>No Ms. Pac-Man alt for Pac-Man
why

>>268284695
>MARIO IN SMASH BROS
It'll never fucking happen.

>>268294538
>everyone else is complaining about the same thing and thusly so should I

>>268294135
As if anyone gives a shit about ice climbers except 5 angry autists of whom 3 only played them for infinite grab faggotry

>>268294507
>not knowing about desync/ AI control
Confirmed for never playing ice climbers

>>268294326
Duck Hunt Dog is in tho

>>268290958
>Lucina practically is Marth, it's even implied that she's his reincarnation IIRC
what? where?
I don't remember anything like this from awakening at all

>>268294135
He can't do anything about shitty hardware.

>>268294442
>I don't know what's going on
The mentality of Dark Pit whiners.

>>268294507
To an extent but Nana would often times act on her own, ie if you grab someone then she would start beating on them immediately. And if she got separated from you the AI would take over and she'd act on her own. She's not a total puppet like Luma.

They probably could've simplified her AI but at that point their gimmick is neutered and they weren't ever relevant anyways so not much of a point in making them a priority.

>>268294507
The second Ice Climber is essentially an entire extra CPU controlled player who follows and mimics the player, and can even act independently in some cases and become desynced. Much more complex.

>>268294794
I'm more mad that Nintendo's hardware is so shit it can't handle something the Gamecube could 13 years ago, and the idea of leaving them off the console version because of the 3DS's limitations is simply baffling.

>>268294845
Prove it.

>>268294442
Even as a clone Dark Pit was a waste.

>>268295173
A waste of what, exactly?

>>268285340
I love Pacman and even I try to ignore the fact that Pac World exists.

>>268295360
Extra resources that could've been put to a clone character people cared about, one that wasn't just an edgy version of an existing character.

>>268295360
voice acting

>>268294442
There are just so many reasons to hate him. He's literally a palette swapped character in a game where every character gets palette swaps. He's a clone, both in Smash and in Kid Icarus. He's essentially the Shadow of his franchise. Sakurai seems to get off on shoving his own stuff into the game, etc. etc...

It feels good to be united on this.

>>268294326
Basically how Smash selection goes is, you need to either be made by Nintendo's EAD team, you're a break out hit, or a beloved retro character that hasn't had a follow up in awhile.

I like a lot of choices here actually, like if I could just list a few right now I could make a big case for all of them.

Meowth is way more relevant than someone like Jigglypuff, I say this as a Jigglypuff main too. I love the little creampuff but between the two I'd think Meowth is a better representation of pokemon as a whole.

Takamaru really sort of got a raw deal I think. He's the sister series protag of the original LoZ. The thing is too ... The mysterious Murusame Castle is actually a legit good game. Like very good actually, I love it way more than Zelda one in terms of mechanics. It'd sort of complete that quartet of "1986 characters that had sister series". Your Samus and Pit's, your Link's. Hell, Kid Icarus got in on one game. The original Kid Icarus is horribly dated and plays like ass. I mean I love Uprising but based on the original KI's merits I'm really surprised he's in when his first game was so bad. I can even think how Takamaru would play too, he's a lot about range and survival since his life bar only has three hits and there's always so many enemies onscreen. But the cool thing is he's powerful up close to combat that, he can deflect those bullet hell projectiles and he has sneaky ways of avoiding foes. I think as another "anime swordsman" Takamaru has a lot of potential and I hope his game does well on the Eshop maybe enough to bring back some interest into the series, like maybe just another game. I could live with that and not a Smash roster spot, though I would like one.

Excite Bike is super iconic, and I think adding a "mounted" character would be a super interesting mechanic for Smash. You can say the same for Mach Rider too, he's awesome. I just think Excitebiker is the better choice "image" wise.
Gonna continue these thoughts.

>>268295057
I mean, I don't care. One of my mains is Lucina but even I got to admit that Sakurai had some sort of bias for Kid Icarus. Look at the amount of songs and trophies the game has.

EVEN THE SONGS ARE CLONES.

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>>268294326

I wanted K.Rool and Mach Rider or Excite Bike so much

the bike riders were a really out there wish, but k. rool wasn't so far-fetched, it's just too bad

>>268293862
Fuck off, Sakurai.

>>268291430

Remove: Jigglypuff
Add in: Captain N

>>268295518
>Extra resources that could've been put to a clone character people cared about,
That's what's wrong with you Dark Pit whiners.
>i'd prefer my character to get in as a 90% clone and let it be ruined forever instead of letting it pass and inserting it as an original in the sequel

>>268294442
there isn't a single clone that would take less effort than dark pit
fucking lucina must have taken like 5 times the time/resources

>>268284695

How else do you design a moveset for a guy who eats pellets and ghosts?

He represents Namco as a whole, just like Duck Hunt represents light gun games in general, not just Duck Hunt.

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>dark pit haters still going at it

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>>268295518

>Dark Pit
>edgy

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>>268297132

>>268297586
I don't hate him
I just like him less than I like the others

>remove all pokémon
>game and its community noticeably improve

Hey guys let's put OP in Smash
Here's his moveset!!

>Side Smash
throws out a heterosexual, his main enemy

>Up Smash
throws out a bar of soap, a common enemy

>Down smash
throws out two sets of clean clothes

>Neutral B
Throws pizzas and cheetos and mountain dews and doritos

>Down B
Shits out a prehotglued weeaboo figurine

Sounds faggoty doesn't it?
BUT THIS IS HOW OP IS DESIGNED

>OPfaggots will defend this

>>268297264
Really Dark Pit is just a small part of the greater issue of Kid Icarus bias in the game, Dark Pit is just the easiest part to hate. The Kid Icarus content in the game should have been, at least, cut in half, so that the content could be more evenly distributed.

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Reminder if you like Lucina or Dr.Mario and hate Dark Pit, you are a hypocrite.

>>268297660
>Literally says "Where's your god now?"
>not edgy

>>268290581
Oh Jesus my dick

I want her.

>>268298232
did you played brawl? kid icarus content was a lot back then.

>>268289623
MewTwo only serves as nostalgiabait for the people that can't leave him behind. He hasn't been explicitly relevant in over a decade. It's time to move on.

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I understand your pain, OP. But at the same time, I believe he's fine the way he is. There's no use complaining about shit like this.

twitch tv

/vrictor

come join us prize giveaways

>>268298774
>He hasn't been explicitly relevant in over a decade
Except the entire XY pre-release.

>>268298880
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>>268298904
>>only serves as nostalgiabait
My point still stands.

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>>268298794
now if some one could tell that to the sword troopers the world may be a happy place.

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>all these clones in the roster
>people complain about fucking pac-man

>>268298904

And after that, likely due to the backlash against Femtwo, it was shoved to the side in favor of promoting Charizard and Lucario.

Mewtwo served its purpose in introducing the audience to Mega Evolutions. Charizard and Lucario are the posterboys for it.

>>268298748
In Brawl it was just Pit and one stage. Got about as much as Ice Climbers did in Melee. Now KI has three characters, six items, two assists, a new stage on both versions, including the biggest stage in Smash history, and more enemies in Smash Run than any other franchise.

The only thing that's changed with the franchise since Brawl is Sakurai made a KI game.

>>268299116
>who cares about characters design anyways
>more characters is bad

>>268299116

If you don't like the free dessert, don't eat it.

>>268299239
Those items were practically tailor made to be Smash items, though. Sakurai just tried them out in another game first.

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>>268284695

>removing any gen 1 pokemon

>ever

Fuck Lucario. He sucks, he's gay. He's furbait. Why is he still in the game he's just a gimmicky/sluggish version of Mewtwo. Mewtwo was way more fun to play as gameplay wise.

Why Sakurai?

Lucario isn't even relevant to anything. He's not even a legendary or fucking viable unless he's in his megaform which isn't all that great either.

The biggest slap in the face is that Mewtwo was removed despite him having a completely unique a fleshed out moveset. I understand taking out Roy and Pichu because they were nearly identical clones, but fucking MEWTWO WAS FUCKING FINE. WHY SAKURAI?

WHY AM I STILL TORMENTED BY THIS BLUE PIECE OF SHIT?

yfw sakurai adds another blue piece of shit just to add insult to injury. Greninja that fucking nobody of a pokemon.

>>268300012
>Lucario isn't even relevant to anything

The only Pokemon more popular than him are Pikachu and Charizard.

He's a mascot now. Mewtwo's time has passed.

>>268300012
Greninja and Lucario are both more relevant now than Mewtwo.
It's still shit that he got removed, but it's not like Lucario and Greninja are bad replacements.

>>268300012
I should start using greninja and lucario online just to shit on you idiots.

>>268300012
>muh nostalgia

>>268300012
>Lucario isn't even relevant to anything
...Until X/Y came out and he basically became the mascot of mega-evolution, furthering his popularity. That probably gave him the excuse to leave him in.

Greninja is in because muh ninjas.

>>268298774

He has 2 mega evolutions you clown.

Fucking 2.

And he was in the first few seconds of the Pokemon intro, served as the "hidden boss" in Pokemon Red & Blue, had Mcdonalds toys, had his own movie, appeared in Melee, was a trophy in brawl, and appeared in the Pokemon Origins animes, and he was in X&Y.

Fucking Mewtwo is more relevant to Pokemon than Metaknight is to Kirby.

>>268300531
>...Until X/Y came out

Even before then, really. His rise back to prominence started towards the end of Gen 5.

Zoroark failed at replacing him, so Lucario had to step back in to clean up the mess.

>>268286890
I'm entirely convinced that people who want Ashley in are just a really dedicated group of trolls. I didn't see anyone say word one about her before her Assist Trophy was announced. What game is she even from, Wario?

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>>268300604
>He has 2 mega evolutions you clown

>>268284695

>yfw Lucario doesn't even appear in the game he debut in unless you go fucking looking for him and do his gay sidequest and evolve Rolo into Lucario.

4th gen pokefags will defend this.

>>268300604
He also got a second movie back in the day and a 3rd movie a year or so ago showing off one of his Megas

>>268298774
He (or rather she, since it was a different Mewtwo) was a leading character in a recent Pokemon movie, and Mewtwo got TWO mega evolutions in X and Y, so no, Mewtwo isn't irrelevant.

That being said, while I'm a bit disappointed that Mewtwo didn't return for Smash 4, I'm not losing sleep over it and I think Greninja is a good addition as a Pokemon rep.

>>268299772
Even with that in mind, six is still an absolutely ludicrous number. That's practically rivaling the amount of Zelda items. Not to mention one of them is just another Dragoon, anyway.

>>268300868

Exactly. Charizard has 2 mega evolutions. He's in smash.

Mewtwo has 2 mega evolutions. FUCK YOU, BLUE DOG. BLUES CLUES GOKU EAT SHIT.

>>268301002

>One of the Gym Leaders has a Lucario
>The Champion has a Lucario

Try again

>>268301002
That was bullshit, but it's still better than handing him and his mega stone over on a silver platter like XY did.

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>>268299084
I understand your pain, sword troopers. But at the same time, I believe it's fine the way it is. There's no use complaining about shit like this.

>>268301002

Worst part is, the guy who gives you Lucario is a literal fedora.

/thread

>>268284695
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C_99XJqIs4

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>>268301221

That was just an introduction to Mega Evolution. It could have been any Pokemon and nothing would change.

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>>268301351

*tip*