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I only play zoning characters like Mega Man and Samus. How do

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I only play zoning characters like Mega Man and Samus.

How do I beat this fucker when I can't even get him off me so I can start zoning? Most of his moves beat mine or he can super armor through them.
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Samus and Megaman can brawl up close though.

Shit I don't even know how to zone with Megaman.
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>>267774847
Fire shit at him like rockets/ crash man bomb.
Dodgeroll often when he gets close.

At about 50 percent throw him off the edge. Samus has great throw range, take advantage of that. Mega Man has the hard fist, take advantage of that and spike him off the stage.

Little Mac is not a character that can be fought at the center of the stage.

Little Mac is the first anti zoning character in smash brothers. It's only natrual he'd give you trouble. Just try to play smarter.
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>>267774847
nigga samus's air game is the shit
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You can grab him out of his super armor moves. When you do, throw him upward or off the ledge.
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>>267774847
megaman can just slide to punish almost everything mac does on shield, otherwise just use his godly grab. You cant really zone him out, hes too fast and ignores most of megamans projectiles.
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>>267774847
you can shitpost on the internet and say he's shit so people will pick someone else
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>>267775720
>>267775861
>>267776063

When he does the huge side jump punch thing (I think its his side B) it beats all of my missiles and metal blade. Every single button he has seems to launch me. I try to short hop with Mega Man and do flame sword but it beats that too, should I try to short hop and do my bair instead? It always seems to never get the kill hit.
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>>267776373
Just shieldgrab him when he side-bs
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>>267776373
Short Hopping doesn't work that well against Little Mac. Many of his attacks have hitboxes high enough that he'll simply hit you anyway.
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>>267776373
It sounds like to me you need to keep your distance with rolling more. When he launches himself at you and there's a little distance. Time a nice dodgeroll and use their throws. Samus and Mega Man have great throws. Samus' having nice range while Mega Man's is 2fast.

Shieldgrabbing is your best bet.
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Also, question for Little Mac players.

When your KO meter fills, what is your mentality? What do you want to do? Bait a grab and land it? Or bait a dodge roll? What seems to be the most effective way of landing it?
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>>267776643
Barely ever use it because people start doing stupid things when they see it's charged
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As any zoning character. Sit on the edge and throw shit at him to try and build percent. Sheild grab him when he comes up to you, then throw him off stage and edge guard. Easy kills.
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>>267776643
They don't use it. They're avoided as soon as it fills and it doesn't last very long.

Hard to hit with too.
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>>267776643
That shit hits through counters, right?
Cause I swear I was going up against one, read the K.O punch, countered, and he still fucking filled me.
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>>267777342
Goes through counters and shields
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>>267777342

He seems to go through some counters, countered it as marth and nothing happened, I did not hit him nor did he hit me, strange
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>>267776643
I use it as bait and let it run out. It makes opponents easy to read because they just want to stay away.
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>>267774847
you have a couple of options.
stay by the ledge, he's naturally going to try to get you center stage.
megaman is amazing at stopping momentum.
when mac charges you, throw a saw blade at him, or shot lemons, it stops him in his tracks and gives you a second to think.
naturally he's either going to roll toward you, shield, or continue dashing and either countering or dash-hit.
at this point it's quite easy, megamans d-tilt slide is really good against mac. i usually roll BEHIND mac and hit him with the slide.
it launches mac upward where you can chase him off-stage with megamans flame sword.
megaman is all about pressure, especially against little mac. your job is to make him nervous.
crash bombs and saw blades are definitely the bane of mac
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>>267774847

I use Megaman and Samus online too, OP.

These people are right about the grabs. The thing is that you need to be imaginative and alterneate between various possible reactions when he approaches you.

When he gets used to your shootings surprise him with a dash attach, which are very good either in samus and megaman. Then, when he begins to read your dash/physical attacs, try shield grabbing on the edge of the stage.

Alternate between various strategies and he will begin to commit silly mistakes. And don't get too confident when he is in the air, remember he's got a great counter attack.

You will loose stock and your % will be high, but you will eventually win.
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>>267777062

It seems to last forever to me. I have to attack him or else his KO Punch won't go away.
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>>267777762
>I only play zoning characters
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>>267774847
Git gud
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>play Jigglypuff against a Mac on a floating stage
>run away the entire time
>SUDDEN DEATH
>fly under the stage as the bombs drop
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>>267778162

I've never even thought about it as "I only use zoning characters". It's just the ones i'm liking the most so far.

I also use ness, for what it's worth. But i'm a little mad that his dAir doesn't spike anymore. Or at least as it used to.

I guess I prefer characters with variety in the moveset rather than physical only based ones.
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>>267774847
megaman has a fucking AMAZING grab and great aerials. Just pepper the fag with projectiles and bait him to make a move where you can punish with a grab
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I have a big butt like little mac but only guys hit on me.

Is this a bad thing?
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>>267777342

Yes. Or at least some counters. The first online game I played was Mac vs Mac and I baited his KO punch for a counter, lo and behold I got fucking shit on. I was so mad.
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>>267778819
No, guys have more appreciation for ass than girls. Take the compliment, acquire ez mode blowjobs
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>LM's fsmash can super armor through literally everything
>even 4 smart bombs at once
>fast as fuck
>only negative is not being able to hit point blank
How do you beat that?
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What are the pros and cons of ZSS and Sheik?
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>>267774847

Congratulations OP, you learned about a little something called counter-picking. Some characters just are naturally designed to beat others.
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>>267776643
You can grab release Wario into a KO punch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szd9f7i1Qo8

heh.
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>>267779154
pros
you're fast
you're stronk
you've got low endlag on most moves

cons
you have to play as a girl

clearly the cons outweigh the pros
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>Try to shield grab Little Mac after an attack
>Get hit out of it with standing A because lolnoendlag
It's especially infuriating because Macs standing A does 30 fucking percent
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>>267779373
"God damn it! Water types are so OP! My fire attacks do NOTHING!"
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>there's a challenge to beat smash run, classic, and all star with all characters
Fuck that
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>>267777342
>ITT babbys cannot deal with anti zone tactics
>ITT no one will git gud
And this is why you still play smash
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Why is Link so good in this game? He has so many kill moves, his A combo beats EVERY DASH ATTACK - NOT CLASHING IT BEATS IT - his dash attack is a kill move and he's heavy as fuck
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>>267779705
But he isn't good.
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>>267779506
Hold away, the floatier you are and the higher percent you have, the easier it is to get out of the jab combo, if that's what you're referring too

Also you can break some jab combos with Thunder or counter, not sure which characters it works for and against
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>>267779373
Yeah and it's why the SF4 finals at Evo sucked ass, because a good Sagat can't do jackshit against a good Rose in the current build.
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>>267779614
Golden hammer, baby.
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>>267779756
>Hold away, the floatier you are and the higher percent you have, the easier it is to get out of the jab combo, if that's what you're referring too

I think some characters can just get out of it. I used it on a Bowser and he was just so big that it didn't pick him up off the ground.
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>>267779858
They don't carry over from other challenge pages do they?
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>all these people saying grab

Megaman's grab is really good, but be careful around little mac. Little mac has one of the best dodge roll kara grabs in the game, you have to watch out for that. Megaman's kara grab is pretty good, I suggest learning how to do it or you'll probably lose a grab game against a good mac.

I have no idea what smashfags are calling the dodge roll kara grab thing, but it's a fuckin kara grab.
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>>267779858
>>267779932
No, but all the "Clear X with all characters" and clear classic on 9.0 cant be hammered
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>pk fiya pk fiya
>grab
>throw off ledge
>pk furashi

ness da besst
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>>267776643
D-Tilt>KO punch if they're lower than like 60%

Jab>KO punch if they're higher than 60% or just punish some stupid shit.
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>>267779978
Knowing smash fags they'll call it something retarded like an extendi-grab
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>>267780509
>not calling it the roly poly grab
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>>267780242
>PK fire spamming
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>Enjoy Ganondorf's playstyle
>Get matched up against all the speedy characters.

Didn't want to have fun anyway
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>>267780821
Dorf in Smash plays like GS in Monster Hunter. It's 100% about being three steps ahead of the other person.
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>>267780710
>still playing fox

let it go anon
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>>267780821
How the fuck could Sakurai make Ganondorf garbage tier 2 games in a row?
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>>267779479
This is probably why I ever see any warios online
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>>267780821

Stick with it man, learn ganon's tricks and wins are so damn satisfying
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>>267780943

>Play vs Greninja

Okay, I know he will just spam that shadow thing, so gotta keep an eye on the gr-
>Brinstar.

On the other hand, killing someone with dair is so satisfying, and I'm suprised that his down b in the air has so much killing power
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>>267781090

I figured his air game is suprisingly good, and that side b into downtilt works on some characters, any tips?
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>>267781008
I didn't even play him in any other smash games, and it's not my fault Flaco is shit
I'm an unintentional tier whore tho

>love Jigglypuff in the anime and decide to play as her
>people realize she's one of the best characters in the game after Hungrybox and Mango play her
>get called a tier whore for playing high tiers

Same thing with Olimar in Brawl

I've started using Pikachu in Smash 4, does that mean he'll hopefully. rise up a few tiers as the game goes on?

Probably not.
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>>267781503
He feels nerfed to me as well, so no, probably not.
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>>267781193
>Okay, I know he will just spam that shadow thing, so gotta keep an eye on the gr-
>Brinstar.

Yeah that gets me too, the best thing to do is just shield when you see Greninja disappear. Pretty much impossible to punish it on Brinstar
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>all these nerds taunting after a kill

FUCK THIS SHIT I'LL FUCKING KICK YOUR ASS IN ANY REAL FIGHTING GAME
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>Any time I fight For Glory Dededes

How the fuck do I fight you, nigga?

You rough.
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>>267782172
I just punish them when they taunt and I respawn

niggas be taunting when they're down a stock
virgins, all of them
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>>267782172
>Getting this mad
That's what taunting is for, bro.
It's to taunt you.
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>>267782172

God love it when spergs like you get mad about taunts
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>>267779154
pros
-fast, movement attacks and recovery
-combos
-fucking finishing kick
cons
-killin aint easy
-no dair (you should probably never divekick unless you're sure it will punish somthing)
-fucking finishing kick
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>>267782542
>>267782449
not actually getting mad at taunts, the post was obviously an exaggerated joke

just more frustrated that nerds think theyre good because they beat some scrub
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>>267782672
I fucking hate the Stall-Then-Fall moves. Sheik's dair went from a combo continuer to a move whose only use is accidentally killing themselves due to a missed buffered input
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>>267782672
I meant more of the pros and cons between those two. I'm not sure which I want to main. I like the feel of both.
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>>267782672
>killin aint easy
>B
>grab/up throw
>upB
KO under 50%
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>>267782831
I just taunt after kills because I like seeing my characters do fun animations or say dumb things
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>>267774847
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sq0_ZMnYP9A&list=UUAtFhYeTQZPuvj93t34fp7A
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>>267782996
I prefer shiek heavily, but most people would say ZSS is better and I wouldnt argue that.
The fact ZSS samus doesn't have a down smash that can beat rollers really hurts my play style.
I also dont like her moonjumps, but thats just som,thing to get use to, she has lots of great moves especially forwardsmash and fair.

Shiek can zone a little better but her grounded smashes are definitely not as good for killing, with shiek you have to chase off the stage/ land finishing kick to kill at a reasonable percent, but I find that pretty fun.

Play both and just roll with whoever you click with better they are both top 10 tier wise (not that that should affect your decision).
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>>267783273
>he sideB's off the edge both stocks

Well that showed basically nothing.

SideB is basically fucking suicide with Mac. It's so hard to just stay away from it unless you're 1,000% sure you're not gonna eat shit for it.
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>>267776643
use it on PacMan's hydrant
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Fighting Mac is an absolute joy with this little asshole.
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>>267783989
what the fuck does his final smash do aside from blocking the screen?
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>>267783989
my nigger
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>>267784292
Opponents going behind the X get damaged and fire effect.
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>>267784292
Anyone who is touching the X gets stunned and damaged. At the end of the final smash, anyone who is touching the X gets launched hard.
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>>267783989
But he's so Easy to counter with Samus or Megaman
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>>267783273

Jesus. This Mac is trash. But I didn't know his running stance could go under small projectiles. Good to know.
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>>267783490
I don't have much experience with either of them or smash in general so I can't comment too much. I guess I'll have to do what you said and play both to see which feels better. Though I don't like the gun on ZSS or the bomb/grenade on Sheik.
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>>267784292
"Hitting" people with the X damages them
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>>267784372
They never know what to do.

It's funny to watch Macs get more and more frustrated and just start dodging like crazy fuckers.

>>267784497
Yeah, but he absolutely shits on Mac if you know what you're doing.
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>>267774847
shield grab him and throw him off stage. Bait then poke him. ???? you win.
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>>267784574
shieks grenade can be really good but its match-up dependent, I generally use it to fish for hits on people trying to recover, you use needles more for ranged damage.
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What is shield grab? Can you grab someone while they are using their shield? Is that a shield grab?
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>>267784791
>shield dashing a from mac
>he sometimes randomly passes over you so you go to grab and hes on the other side
>free ftilt for mac
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>>267784868
You can grab someone when they're using their shield, yes, but a shield grab is when you block an attack and then grab the attacker.
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>>267784868

You can grab someone while they're using their shield, yes, but a shield grab is when you block an attack with your shield and counter with a grab immediately before they can recover.
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>>267784868
when shielding, if you press A, you grab.

Block an attack then grab immediately out of your shield
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>>267774847
Be a huge faggot and use nothing but shield and grab.
I'm telling you this from experience. Once my friend realized how good I was with little Mac he'd do nothing but side B with Bowser and begun winning every match
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>>267774847
>I only play zoning characters
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>>267774847
How big is little macs cock?
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>>267784972
Just corner yourself so mac can't get behind you and stay in shield. Mac is a horrible character. I've never lost to a mac on for glory by just throwing him off, baiting out the obvious counter/air dodge, then hitting him one more time.
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>>267774847
I can't tell which foot is which, he has no left foot or right foot, just copy pasted monofoot with no distinguishing between them
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>>267785141
Little
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>>267784972
Mac is probably the most vunerable character to shield grabbing because he has to approach, even with a lead.
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>>267785156
hes not horrible hes just picked by a lot of new players who think hes gonna be easy to play.
He scrubstomps but if he isn't running in your face constantly throwing out dash attacks he isnt that bad.
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>>267785252
The one connected to his right leg is his right foot, and the one connected to his left leg is his left foot. Often you can look at the context to fill in the blanks!
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>>267785393
I feel like (in competitive(Inb4 playing a party game competitively)) as the game develops little mac will be strictly a counterpick character. He gets shit on a lot.
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>>267783989
>>267784372
What makes him so good against Mac?
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>>267783019
ZSS can combo people to their death beyond single digit percentages
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>>267785739

You can play the whole combat using aerial attacks. Mac sucks at air.
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>>267785739
Every single one of his specials fucks Mac playstyle.
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>>267785739
mechakoopa forces him to jump
Hes generally weak to zoning
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>>267785739
Bowser Jr. is probably the #1 character in terms of forcing his opponent to jump.

Guess who never wants to ever jump.
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>>267774847
http://youtu.be/wsFR_Tf9dhg

>It's raining macs, hallelujah!
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>>267786097
Little mac can power armor mechakoopa.
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>>267786475
like his neural b?
Ok ill just wait for him to come to me and drill his face.
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>>267786427
>gets rekt by samus
>samus didn't do anything
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>>267786559
I honestly think Mac shits on bowser junior. NGL. Mac is too fast.
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>>267776373
never shorthop aerial in smash 4. you'll get shield grabbed 99% of the time.
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>>267786696

Why should I do anything if all of them suicides?
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>>267786886
I swear they increased the landing lag from Brawl, and Brawl's landing lag was already massive
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See the problem with this thread is that people here haven't seen what little mac is capable of. Little mac is the only character in smash 4 who can basically dash in wave dash back due to his incredible back roll. He has incredible baits, super armor, fast normals, and an instant K.O. move. All he needs is a few reads to end a stock.
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>>267787029
They didn't increase landing lag, they decreased shield stun
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>>267787082
This, a smart Mac that knows what they're doing is scary to go up against. People saying "lol just grab him and throw him off the stage" probably haven't encountered one.
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>>267786237
Why would I jump vs Bowser Jr.

I can just or dodge most of ur shit.
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>>267787323
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N74JlkuLoVs
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>>267779113
With another armor move. Consider learning Charizard or Bowser.
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Shiek needs to go into fucking helpless state if she misses Bouncing Fish. There is no risk to using this move off-stage. The hitbox is huge and if you land it you bounce back. If you miss, nothing happens. The move cancels quickly enough to where you could still throw out an aerial attack AND recover. This is all Shiek players do in For Glory. They bait you off-stage and spam Bouncing Fish. You choice is to either eat it or go in low for a very risky recovery.
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>>267774847
I just go shulk. Mac fags are so predictable and shulks counter is very strong
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>>267776373
>>267776373
>When he does the huge side jump punch thing (I think its his side B) it beats all of my missiles and metal blade.

Dude are you not playing the edge?

The fuck man, always have you back directly to the ledge when zoning against Mac.
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>>267787625
>Bowser
>Super armor
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>>267787341
its pressure
mac cant handle it, if you roll you're gonna eat dash attack.
If bowser jr is ever uncomfortable in spacing how are you gonna stop him from using up b and blowing your ass up to get away.

If you seriously think bowser jr isn't a problem matchup for mac you dont have much experience.
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>>267787734
Shiek has no lag on any fucking move except her teleport. It's obnoxious
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>>267781379
Don't be afraid to edgeguard.
Ganon's aerials are all amazing for edgeguarding.
Also try to play defensively, becuase Ganondorf's approach is awful without his dropkick custom.
if they don't have a spammable projectile they have to approach you & then you can punish.
Wizard kick is also good at punishing rollers but don't overestimate its range, also it's incredibly powerful if used in the air, try to surprise opponents with an air kick for quick kills.
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>>267776643
I just use it for mindgames since it's about as likely to hit as a Falcon Punch. Opponent goes nuts jumping around playing keep-away so I just use it to push them to at least jump to another side of the stage to set up some other attack.
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>>267787734
Yeah, which moves make you helpless and which don't seems really fucking arbitrary.

Why does raptor boost make you helpless if fox illusion doesn't?
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>>267787826
well i have been in the competitive scene for over a year now playing at a fairly high level. granted not at brawl so this type of gameplay isn't as apparent to me but I haven't seen Bowser Jr apply a lot of pressure.

What moves of his apply pressure? He has his very slow neutral B which is easy fucking peasy to not get hit by.

When I have played against the lil robots I just pick them up and throw them back at BJr
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>>267788035
I'm pretty sure Fox Illusion puts you in helpless if you go off a ledge.
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>>267787826
Bowser jr loses to mac hard lol
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>>267788035
They probably consider Cap to be plenty strong on-stage and not have a problem getting kills, while Fox needs to edgeguard to claim his points.

Unless you land the Up-air or Up-smash, though. This is why Sakurai is bad at balance.
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>>267787889
>mfw scrubs dont know bout my aerial wizzard kicks

They try to chase you in the air and you get that delicious KO with the wizzard kick
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>>267788180
it doesn't. you can do anything after it at any time.
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>>267788293
One thing i like to do is if i'm near the upper blast line is to kick down twice in a row, it surprises a lot of players.
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Is there any hope for her?
Should I just give up and pretend she isn't on the roster?
Surely somebody has some advice.
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>>267787779
you cant counter ko punch, I know you shouldn't really be testing fate like that but it pissed me off because I really wanted to rub it in to this one mac by killing him that way and it just hit me.
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>Rival smash
Jesus fucking christ that was a bitch until I cheesed it with Bowser JR
>Cruel brawl
Jesus fucking christ that was a bitch until I cheesed it with Kirby
>200 knockouts in infinite smash
who's the best at cheesing this one? I just get bored after a while and lose focus
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Question for fellow captain falcon players, why does his throw whiff so much, the only times I get it to work is when I run from a pretty long distance and then grab, any tips for landing this shit? I do fine grabbing with other characters by the way just not with him
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>>267788063
The canonballs are mostly for mindgames and limiting recovery options. That more or less goes for the mechakoopas as well.
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>>267788675
You can armor through it with Rock Smash though. But it sends you sliding backwards across the stage.
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>>267788779
I have the same problem his dash throw is just too fast
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>>267788824
so where's the pressure.
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>>267788747
i did 200ko with zero suit samus, and just dashed back and forth doing dash attack, it KOs everyone, has good range and she recovers quickly
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>>267788779
pivot grab more
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>>267788747
DK.
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Why does everybody and their mother have a counter or reflect now? Honestly it's gotten to the point where I feel naked if I don't have one of those.

>>267788514
Play defensively and punish mistakes. She doesn't have the best offensive game but she has some strong defensive tools, being the only character with both a counter and projectile reflect (see point above). Try to spike people with your dair as well, it isn't actually that difficult to land with her.
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>tfw Ganondorf in For Fun Team Battle

>Other team is bothered with Kirby

>Accidentally do my up tilt

>Opponent Little Mac comes near me by dodging out of Kirby and lands right on my attack and dies

>mfw
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Why does everyone like ZSS? Because they want to fuck her?
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>>267788998
Not the guy who asked and it its probably a stupid question
But what is a pivot grab ?

I see the term pivot in general pretty often in smash threads and forums and i dont know what it is since i only tried to get competitive with sm4sh
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>>267788514
Good aerials, great jab and dash, weak tilts and smashes
Use Autoshot and F-air to play footsies, kill off the top with U-smash and U-air after a hit
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EXCLUSIVE GUIDE
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>>267788514

Palutena's standard moveset is meant to be a bait ant punish.

You want to bait them with auto reticle, then use your OP as shit Up Smash or any of them to catch them.
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>>267789261
Yes.
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>>267789276
if you turn around while dashing and grab at the sametime, your grab range is increased

For a lot of characters without tether grabs, it outright doubles their grab range
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>>267786427

Do they keep doing that?
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>>267788967
>a projectile and a walking landmine out within two seconds
>not pressure
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>>267789282
Her smashes are actually pretty strong. Her upsmash has a ridiculous upwards reach, and it can function like a wall if somebody tries to go in on you from the air, while her forward smash has good horizontal reach, plus it has a windbox in front of it, so you can push people away.

Down-smash is okay, but it doesn't have anything special.
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>>267776643
if I find a use for it I use it, otherwise I ignore it
>fighting pit
>he keeps chain grabbing the edge and shooting arrows at me
>meter fills up
>think fuck it, I'll take his challenge
>run over and wait for him to pop up
>KO uppercut right to the fucking face & launched off screen
he might have just been a garbage pit, but that was a fun fight
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>>267788514
Her down tilt is good at spacing and stopping people who rush towards you. Her jab is great and can set up for throws. Her up smash is godlike and can catch a ton of people off guard. Juggling with your nair and uair are great options and they're hard to dodge. Down smash can kill people for rolling around like idiots. Her dash attack is great since it launches so you can chase them with nair and uair. Her fair is great for gimping people.
She's more defensive, so don't try to rush down. Also people shit on her specials but they're pretty useful: her reflect is great since it stays out long and she can move while it's out, her warp gets her out of sticky situations, and a counter is a counter even if it's not the best. And autoreticle is kinda bad since it's so slow, but it's good for annoying people if they're far away
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>>267789497
thanks anon, i will immediatly try that shit it would improve my falcon a lot since i keep missing those dash grabs when i made the correct read
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>>267774847
>be kirby
>rack up a little damage on mac
>stand by edge
>wait for incoming dash attack/b side
>inhale
>walk off stage
>Mac cant recover for shit
>rage quits all day
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>>267774847
You mean you're a spamming douche bag?
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>>267789140
>>267789282
>>267789369
Is there any way to gimp someone recovering with that slight wind burst from her smash attacks?
I feel like it could work as a faster, mini-fludd, but I guess only if they're barely about to make the ledge anyway.
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Where my captain falcon niggas at
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What's this thread about? Mac isn't in melee.
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>>267789793
HEY-O!
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>>267789557
but you practically admitted they aren't pressure by instead saying that they are for mindgames...

and I will remind you that I can just pick up the robot.
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>>267789793
>not playing the superior Ganondorf

fucking lel you people are shit
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>>267788514
>>267789140
Also don't use your warp just to recover, if you feel like you're being pressured too much, use it to get out and move around the stage. It also helps for those annoying moments when you're above somebody and they just don't want to let you back on the ground.
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>>267789731
>Play as Samus
>My better skills are all ranged
>I'm called a spammer because I use my own char attacks.
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>>267789932
Are the shit*
Fixed for you bro
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>>267779803
Bonchan already stated he has the rose matchup like 90% down.

Yeah sagat can't stand at max and tigertigertiger, doesn't mean the matchup is bad. He lost at evo because luffy was on point and playing the best of his life, and he was unfamiliar with the matchup.
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>>267789932
>ganondorf
>superior
Anon, I... I hate to tell you this
He's shit
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>>267789920
Not the guy you were first debating with.
How are mindgames not pressure? Unless you're only talking about literal physical pressure.

When you're launching balls and throwing robots down, you're limiting your opponent's options. They have to maneuver to your will now.

Also there's only a very small window where you can pick up the robot, and if you miss it you're punished for even trying.
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>>267789497
Is this in every smash game ?
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>>267774847

What's a zoning character?
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>>267789938
>>267789642
>>267789369
>>267789282
>>267789140
This all sounds like good advice, thanks bros.
I'll stick it out and see how things turn out. I'm really only used to over-aggressive characters so this will be an interesting change.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxbSA4kww8Y

Look at all these fucking nerds lmao
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>>267790473
An obnoxious piece of shit
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As a DK player, I say: defend, defend, defend. Little Mac players love 'em dash attacks. Defend, throw him away and you have some time to charge your shot, etc.

Pic not related.
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>>267790473
It's tourney speak for someone who spams projectiles and flips around the stage like a maniac.
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>>267790673

Projectile spam?
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>>267790138
Yesterday i beat some Captain Falcon as Ganon.
He was pretty competent too. It was glorious when i landed the sparta kick.
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>>267790681
l-lewd.
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>>267790681
fucking this
also use DK's down taunt whenever you throw them off stage. they start getting really frustrated making them more prone to mistakes
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>>267790473
A character whose gameplan is to keep you in a specific area, usually in the general area of "Away" but sometimes in more specific areas like half-screen.

A good example would be Dhalsim from street fighter. He has a mediocre projectile, but his punches and kicks stretch up to 2/3 of the screen. He wants to be 2/3 to 1/2 screen from the opponent so he's in range of his strong attacks (the stretchy limbs) while being out of range of his opponent's strong attacks.
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>lose 10 times in a row as diddy

Maybe it's time to stop for today
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>>267790074
Not really, you can use the missles as a set up, and the charge attack as a finisher
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>>267790782
People always seem to underestimate how fast that boot comes out, and how fucking far back it's gonna send them.
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>>267790681
who is the gril?
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>>267790727

I figured that's what it was, just wanted to be sure.
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>>267790782
i love using the both of them. honestly i dont see why anyone would use one and not the other
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>>267790995
>losing as diddy

how?
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>play projectile war against a link with my samus
holy shit this is fun, perfect shielding and punishes all day

we played like 30 rounds, this is super hectic
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>>267791410
Try DHD versus Link, it's fucking insane.
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>>267786559
Or he can just pickup mechakoopa and throw it.
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>>267791545
Samus can almost have three projectiles out at the same time, trust me, it's dangerous

Also, super missile plus charge shot breaks full shield if not perfect shielded, I got a couple of those out
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>read counter
>enemy whiffs
kill me
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>>267777062
>>267778005
It's not based on a timer, you can take a set amount of damage before the KO drops.
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Why are her hitboxes so awkward and small? I missed a forward smash on a grounded zss because she was too low.
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>>267792036
Her puny range is the only thing that really bothers me about her
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>>267792036
A good WFT always fucks my shit up because her rolls are fast and her attacks always catch me off guard
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>>267789147

Ganondorf's up tilt works much better in 4 player smash where everybody else is busy
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>>267791846
>correctly predict and get counter
>you whiff
why
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Fighting bad Little Macs is fun.
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How can he get in safely anyway? All his air moves seem bad so short hop aerials kind of seem like a bad idea, you can't crouch cancel your run into normals so you can't just come in with his jabs, and his dask attack and side-b seem really punishable and put you directly into the opponent's grab range. The only options that seems good are dashing into grab and a pivot ftilt. It doesn't even seem like he gets good options off a grab either.
I still haven't played the game that much so I don't know a lot about this yet.
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>>267793432
Given that he has Sonic's run speed, those options are good enough for him.
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>>267793195
ness players are worse than little mac players. They're tied with Rosalina users
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>>267793195
>mfw I rekt a ness player twice in a row with mac
I took his first stock with only 4%
felt fucking good
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>>267793195
>playing level 3 intensity
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>>267793195
Did he actually save you by using that Up B?
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>>267774847
you do this
http://youtu.be/rXDYGWdQEAk
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>>267795116
Holy shit.
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>>267781025
as a ness main, you can fuck right off.

Ness has been shit since before dorf was even considered for the game
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>>267794406
I don't think you can play Omega stages in Classic mode.

>>267794520
No, I still had my recovery and was going to make it back to the stage anyway, albeit just barely.
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>>267795116

No. That's just a shitty player. Right idea, still that video doesn't show off anything.
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>>267795476
Ness was good in 64
He only sucked at melee and brawl
Ganondorf was also in melee

Your point is factually wrong
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