>It's considered, in universe, to be the shittiest one
>If you do any of your high profile magic the war is called off temporarily and everyone dog piles on your shit
Why is caster such a shit class
Berserker might be fun. I heard Lu Bu was summoned as a Berserker in some flavor of Fate, but I think he would be better suited as an Archer (of course, Heracles can be an Archer too and look where he ended up).
Remember when I said it wasn't Ruler? I lied, it was Ruler.
Let me guess. You also want to be a little girl.
Clearly the solution is to combine them.
>tfw there will never be a series with the same concept as Fate that also actually respects the mythological figures
fucking Nasu is such a hack
Only you could possibly come away from summoning a cute servant as a disappointment.
Cry me a river, anon.
I think it's meant to represent the lunacy of those who have the class typically. Wolves, especially werewolf-like beings, are often depicted as savage monsters that destroy everything in their path. It kind of fits thematically.
Saber has the biggest win-rate. So Saber.
Saber makes it to the final battle the most times. The class that has one the most times is Archer, since the only time the Grail War has been won was when Gil and Kotomine won.
I'd fuck Fate Astolfo, but I still hate so many of the Fate designs
Like making King Arthur, Nero, and Joan of Arc into identical Sabers, or turning Jack the Ripper and Frankenstein's Monster into lolis
I'll be making shish kebab outta your asses
in the afterlife.
First off, blame the Fate/Zero, which was written by someone else, for establishing that Jeanne and Arturia at least have passing similarities looking like, they different enough when put side-by-side
Nero was just a total clone though, just shorter and bustier.
And Frankenstein isn't a loli.
Uh... Well, if I'm going with what class *I* would be, it would probably be Rider and my NP would probably be a Submarine loaded out with various warheads (my sub didn't carry nukes but it's rigged to be able to) as well as various firearms from m16, 9mm and .30 LMG (SAW). This is obviously only because I specialized in the weapons on board.
The range of a cruise missile far exceeds that of Japan's landmass so kekGG I guess.
Maybe I could just create a Reality Marble in the middle of the ocean like some faggot, get a full, devoted crew and everything. Or damn, at least I know how to aim the fucking things cause if not I'd just glass Japan I guess
If I was going to summon one? I would probably honestly try to summon Assassin and never actually fight other Masters.
My goal would be let other niggas fight and I pick em off when they're weak or not prepared. Hell, my own personal training alone would be enough to kill off a Master like fuckin Shinji or Koizumi or whatever his name was.
Other than that, Archer would be good for similar reasons. Same with Caster, only a little more Keikaku Doori.
Well, Frankenstein monster was an abomination to Frankenstein at least.
Which just confuses the hell out of her master,
Knight master race.
>implying any of those classes would stand a chance
Shit game confirmed. They wasted everything the minute this "battle system" was decided.
Saber. Does this mean I'll have to be a girl who looks like Arthuria and Nero now?
If they added more skills it could have actually been better, or shortened the turns to 3 actions instead of 6, because anything can kill you in a single set of turns if you're unlucky,and the whole thing is based on luck.
No Second Strike Bitch
Dat Nasu boner for Bajiquan
I just hope I'd have a nice Master who looks after me and treats me right.
Caster's shouldn't fight Sabers.
If Caster was my bitch, just going by the Servants in the VN, I'd have that bitch help me acquire a rocket launcher and have her cast some funky magic on it and just blow Master up when those niggas is busy fighting each other.
And hell, if I AM cornered and forced to fight Saber, I'd have her fly up in the air and carpet bomb the entire fucking city because goddamn if I'm gonna lose
I'm sure you would, anon. Then some zombie priest would come along and kill them and spiritually rape you until you're nothing more than a spear with a body attached and you'll die like a bitch in every route because of it.
No. Only Nero is the one with no real excuse, F/Z said she and Arthuria were somewhat similiar and Mordred is a clone homunculus thing.
Why are spear wielding women so attractive
Assassin, so i can make an inconspicuous asshole that won't stay dead and an annoying pain in the dick rather than a real threat. also so i can make a bunch of KEKEKEKKEKEKE laughing sounds. i'm a huge piece of shit
Exactly. Forget bosses I was getting raped by fucking mobs in areas that were within or below my level in single turns. If I didn't beat them within that turn it was certain game over. Sure most have patterns but good luck hitting all of them with those patterns since the chances of enemies using them are RNG. What a wasted opportunity.
>having a master
>not being your own master
Live for no one but yourself
>There will never be a Li Shuwen route.
I know Type-Moon loves Bajiquan, but why won't they let me indulge in the greatest Bajiquan fanwank ever, where you get to bodycheck buddha into submission
Why are none of the actual Servants as cool looking as the cards? The only one who comes close is True Assassin. I mean look at that fucking pimp lancer. Not that I don't love Cu Chulainn's character, but couldn't they have given him that instead of a fucking blue catsuit?
And, since this is essentially a TM thread on /v/, who would win, Numidum or ORT?
My vote is for the giant mechanical god who screams chunks of reality out of existence, but I'm open to suggestions.
I feel you anon
1st episode(which is technically 0 episode, the prologue to the 1st) was fucking amazing, we're talking anime movie quality in some scenes.
I trust in ufotable blindly after fate zero and they don't disappoint thus far.
So how hard and how often would Li Shuwen fuck Hakuno?
Unless you're Nasu's favorite of course.
No Second Thrust needed
With just one truth it will send people into a chi drunken orgarsm
Fierce Tiger Forcefully Fucks a Maiden
Sounds like someone needs a a castration.
We're talking about the old FS/N? Was that also made by ufotable?
Even so, the way they handled KnK and FateZ was amazing for me personally. I have no reason to not trust them yet.
Sounds like she's going to need to lay off the underwear and pantyhose with him as her servant then.
Um, So do I get MC or Caster on this one. Also upside picture because.
>all these anons choosing Lancer despite his horrible fate
We're all in this suffering together fellow Servants.
>This is Jeanne d'Arc in a dog costume
Jeanne's not a slut, she's pure. And horribly awkward with romance.
I don't even care that much about the QTE shit, I knew what to expect going in. The kicker for me is cutting the fucking ending (and best part of the game period) to sell as DLC. THAT'S what killed the game, not QTEs. I hate Capcom so, so much.
fuck capcom, seriously
I mean I played that level so much I timed it so the music would line up perfectly when I wanted it to
I never even bought the DLC, it just left a bad taste in my mouth that THAT's how they chose to end it
Kind of like how the very last words in the Mass Effect Trilogy are "downloadable" and "content"
This anon telling it like it is.
You just need to have great stamina for the mana transfer
Did you at least watch the DLC on Youtube? It really is the best part of the game.
You should finish it off. The ending is incredible.
Archer for shooting far beyond shown range on squishies (as long as I have the high ground).
Or Rune Fencer, since spears, and I think they get broken with summons late game.
New Ogre Battle game never ;_;
doesn't work that way. people that use things like guns and other modern weaponry dont become heroic spirits.
also kazuki was able to fight evenly witH saber so you wont be able to beat him if he is currently buffed by castor.
She gotta have to wear a chinese dress
Is it worth getting into the nasuverse? I'm kinda interested because of how popular it is but I've seen some stuff about it in power level threads and it looks like such a contrived fucking mess, with asspull powers against aspull powers on the universal scale that simply don't look fun.
It's a lot about asspull powers because that's exactly what old legends were.
>This guy has a sword that can cleave many mountains in one swing!
>Oh yeah? Well this guy can wrestle a hydra!
>Well my mace is a telepathic winged lion!
There's some REALLY fun powers, though.
>A lance that reverses cause and effect such that it hits you before it's even been thrusted
>Dragging your opponent into a battlefield within your imagination where they have to fight against the armies you held in life
>Creating an artificial, nonfunctional heart on the target's chest, then exchanging it with the real heart via a curse so that the victim appears to simply die of a heart attack
>Times Nero took the D: 0
>Times Pendragon took the D: Every second scene
One only wanted to be lusted after, the other engaged in threesomes with both genders and enjoyed getting railed from behind like a common peasant.
Has a wide pool of heroes, average all round but wins due to plot armor
Probably the second widest pool of heroes, broken as fuck but loses every time.
Another with wide pool of heroes, should win every single time but doesn't possess plot armor.
Shit tier fighter, gets shit on if they try to use the one thing they're good at (magic).
Most broken selection of heroes, destined to forever lose because someone hates them.
Second most likely class to win but never win because they're as hated as Rider.
How could someone hate this fella?
>Saber being an "average" class
Saber, Archer and Rider are intentionally overpowered compared to the rest. That's because those classes were meant to be summoned by Einzbern, Tohsaka and Makiri/Matou respectively, because the whole grail war thing was for their benefit in the first place.
Caster, but only by technicality.
I'm thinking Moses, Solomon, or Elijah. Having Jesus as a Servant might be a bit awkward, as decent a decision as it might be. I mean, I know that what he said he was there for, but not to use the guy as a glorified Pokemon. On the other hand, the Grail is sort of his.
Ah, Moses it is.
>that anti-army Noble Phantasm
>thus saith the Lord
For the same reason Berserker is just Guts. Even has the sword.
>A Caster who doesn't know about Territory Creation
Oh man. You'd be even LESS than worthless.
>play a game with a character you don't like that takes advantage of the game's core which you don't like either.
>because winning is what matters in games all the time right?
And incidentally I'm a fightan fag. Before that though I wanna enjoy a game, not just win it.
>play a game with a character you don't like
>Not liking Tamamo
What are you? Gay?
Dragons Dogma suffers this. Everyone recommends the Assassin which happens to be the most boring class in the game yet easily one of the most overpowered. Theres more to a game than just beating it sometimes, sometimes you want to actually fight things as a class you actually like and not shrug everything off without trying.
How come nip game devs can balance a fuckload of characters but nip cartoonists can't balance 7? Not only that but most magic and sci fi shit in anime falls apart immediately even with your suspension of disbelief turned up to maximum.
The classes are intentionally unbalanced, as in it's part of the lore. And in a war where literally every participant has a certain-kill trick up their sleeve, it's more about battlefield conditions and luck than A>B.
Jack got retconned pretty hard, she isn't actually a loli. She's a mob of fetus ghosts with knives that pop out of the mist and disembowel the prostitute.
In universe, she's the work of a True Demon. Demon is basically a spirit that works to satisfy mankind. All of those kids hated their mothers and wanted to be unborn, rather than loss.jpg'd or orphaned, so the demon granted their wish and prevented their souls from returning to the cycle, instead making them into wandering spirits like Kojiro.
The just look like a loli most of the time, because they think it's funny in relation to their master.
> Not wanting to hang out with based Iskandr, Medusa, Drake
Underrated clas of year all years
Contrary to common belief, drawing a bow doesn't require that much strength. An adult woman should be able to draw a longbow just fine. You'd rather have women be far away as archers than in the front lines, as they have worse reaction times than men and can't take as much pain.
>about to pick caster because wizard lyfe 4ever
>look it up
>Contrary to common belief, drawing a bow doesn't require that much strength. An adult woman should be able to draw a longbow just fine.
I wish you people wouldn't spout so much bullshit.
Ever seen a skeleton of an english lowbow archer? Extremely onesided because of how heavy the bow was to draw.
Sure, even a woman could draw such a bow maybe once or twice, but when it's about consistently firing 50+ arrows in a battle? No fucking chance.
By the way, you'd rather have women not at all on the battlefield because they never were.
>inb4 joan d'arc
She was a cheerleader and never did battle, and there's also various sources that claim she slept her way up to her position.
Unless you mean a fantasy setting, of course, in which case you'd also not have women on the battlefield because they affect male morale and that's a bad thing when the majority of soldiers are male.
The patterns they use are always the same, there is no RNG. Mobs will always do Pattern A > Pattern B > Pattern C. The mobs that do switch up on you only use slight variations, like use a different third attack in each pattern.
If the Servants rely on a set pattern of patterns.
Fate/Extra is not Rock, Paper, Scissors. It is a memorizing game.
Archer. Flinging waves of shit at people with stuff like gates on Babylon is the best. Also clearly not limited to just ranges since Gigglemesh has Enema Relish and Emiya has all his swords/UBW.
The reason so many english longbow archers were male is because all warriors were male. Males are better archers than women, so you'd rather avoid females in battle at all. But if you had to force a woman to be a soldier, it would be most realistic to make them archers. Since archers went through many years of training, they would have gained the muscle they need for repetitive shots, no matter their gender. I'm not saying it would be effective, but it would work to an extent.
>sexism vs feminism discussion
Abandon thread. It's already too late.
>The reason so many english longbow archers were male is because all warriors were male.
I don't know how that's even relevant to the discussion. That's obvious.
>But if you had to force a woman to be a soldier, it would be most realistic to make them archers.
Wrong. Women are more likely to be able to be a part of a pike formation and hold a spear in a general direction than to draw a 150lbs bow over and over. That's such a retarded claim I don't even know what else to say to this. You're just spouting bullshit at this point.
>Since archers went through many years of training, they would have gained the muscle they need for repetitive shots, no matter their gender.
This is going into /fit/ territory now.
Women, due to their different hormone balance from men, are not able to build muscle as well. That's why bodybuilding and weightlifting women nowadays all take hormones.
That wasn't possible back then.
Women on the battlefield are unrealistic. Women as archers are especially unrealistic. You have no idea what you're talking about on so many levels and yet you keep talking.
what does that discussion have to do with sexism and feminism?
It's two anons talking about female soldiers in the middle ages. There's no sexism involved and certainly no feminism.
You faggots are so goddamn touchy when it comes to discussing anything that involves females
It's an arguement over what women are good at or should be used for based on whatever the fuck. I don't care which side you're on, just stop it. This never turns in to anything but shitposting. It kills threads.
>Women, due to their different hormone balance from men, are not able to build muscle as well.
But you don't need to build muscle well to become a archer, just decently.
You goal is not to become a Greek Bodybuilder capable of wresting Szwarchsneger Prime, but drawing one of the heavier bow classes.
You need 1-2 years of passive training to do that. Aka: Shooting with bows a lot. And some exercise.
Edgezerker if there's enough mana to handle that thing, because man, I suck at strategy.
>Baiting this hard to attempt derail
>It is a memorizing game.
Thanks for the info but this isn't making the game any more appealing for me. I would rather have old fashioned "outdated" turn based battles. And it doesn't help its case when 1 fucked up turn results in insta-death from mobs.
Its just not my kind of game.
Also holy hell this is fucking amazing.
>But you don't need to build muscle well to become a archer, just decently.
I take it you've never drawn an authentic old longbow? New sports ones don't count, they got like a tenth of the draw weight of the ones they used in the middle ages.
You need to be extremely strong to pull a longbow repeatedly and consistently.
Tell you what, go grab the nearest thing that you assume to be around 50-70 kilograms (100-140lbs) and lift it with one arm, hold it up for a sec, then let go of it. Any woman could do that.
Now do it 50 times without a break.
And then that's not even really representive of the extreme physical strain and muscle required for longbow archery. The stance and the way in which you pull the string requires different muscles, and more so than lifting up something from the ground.
Women just can't build enough muscle mass to do that kind of stuff. Except in very rare cases, what with genetics making strange things possible sometimes.
>inb4 MUSCLE MASS DOES NOT EQUAL STRENGTH!
go back to reading fitness magazines for 14 year old girls
As I said: You need to train for it. 1-2 years of training is enough to get there.
You are not building muscles to wrestle Schwarszchneger prime. You are building muscle to do repeated shots with a very heavy draw load.
>He thinks I'm joking
It'll only get worse from here. It seems innocent now, doesn't it?
>As I said:
I just told you why that's wrong. Insisting you're not does not make you anymore right.
>You are building muscle to do repeated shots with a very heavy draw load.
You really don't realize it because you have no concept of physical force due to never having lifted in your life, but being able to draw a 140lbs bow is probably more physically strenous than wrestling Schwarzenegger in his prime.
> but being able to draw a 140lbs bow is probably more physically strenous than wrestling Schwarzenegger in his prime.
>Wresteling a 150+ kilo man, with enough grip power to bend steel pipes, and who has a a solid center of gravity, is harder than to do a static task
You really have absolutely no concept of this kind of shit, huh? Even just drawing a 10 kg bow gets extremely tiresome after you did it 20 times.
I'm serious, go grab something heavy and try to lift it with one arm repeatedly without break. Do it for hours. Suddenly, wrestling a 150 kilogram bodybuilder with a low bodyfat percentage will be the easier task for you, too.
Not knowing shit about such stuff would be okay if you didn't pretend you knew better.
Classes mean jack anyway. F/SN Archer was basically a battlemage anyway, since he was summoning all his shit during battle and even his NP was a high level thaumaturgy.
Btw, does anyone here actually know why he was chosen as a archer class anyway (I don't really know that much about the whole system)? His fighting style doesn't really fit the class apart from the occasional use of broken phantasms as a projectile. Is that all it takes or was there more to it?
I've never even claimed that's an easy task.
I'm claiming it's probably easier to do and requires less muscle than dshooting a longbow all throughout a battle.
You still have no better arguments than "but arnold is really strong"!
To pull 70kg repeatedly and constantly, you probably need to be as strong as arnold.
chariots were used because horses back then were more like ponies or donkeys - small and weak
you needed to put a shitton of them together to get actual mobility. hence, chariots
by the renaissance we had the destriers and thoroughbreds and etc. etc. to haul a fat sweaty noble in his tin can around for hours at a time, so there was literally no reason for chariots
also, europe is not great for chariots anyway. it would probably be better to be on fucking foot than in a chariot.
long story short the rider should fucking kill himself. what is he even going to fucking do? he doesn't have a bow. how does he expect to charge through an infantry formation in a fucking chariot? he's gonna get rekt.
combine a rider ON A HORSE with a lancer WITH AN ACTUAL LANCE and the armour of a saber and you'll have a) something worth being and b) an actual early renaissance man at arms with stupidly expensive armour he probably stole.
also the archer's bow is too small and the assassin is stupid, and books belong in libraries