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Ganondorf --- Sakurai's Father?

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In the latest issue of Famitsu, Masahiro Sakurai speaks up about various returning veterans in Smash Brothers such as R.O.B., Falco, and Dr. Mario. Perhaps most interesting of all, and perhaps surprisingly sentimental, is his explanation of the controversial depiction of the King of Evil himself, Ganondorf:

"Ah, yes. I've gotten many complaints about Ganondorf. Why doesn't he use his sword more? Why isn't he as powerful as he is in Zelda? Well, when I decided to add him in Super Smash Brothers, of course he was a late addition included only because his physical appearance was easy enough to model swap over Captain Falcon. So I couldn't do as much justice as I wanted with him, but I worried people would be upset if I left out such an important and striking character.

Ganondorf is somewhat of a contradiction---in Smash Brothers, he's both powerful, yet sometimes comes across as a little worn down, a little tired. In a way, he was greatly influenced by my late father who passed away shortly beforehand. As a child, I viewed my father as a strict-disciplinarian, a man I both feared and respected. But when I grew up, I realized my father, that man I was saw as a powerful figure---a king---was often out of breath, and limped along. I wondered why I feared him so much? And in a way, that's how I've developed Ganondorf as a character. Personally I'm quite close to the character, and thus I find it difficult to bring myself to change him too much."

Damn it, Sakurai. :(
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Oh, and Ganondorf and R.O.B. are the next characters to be unlocked in the 3DS Version after Doc and Dark Pit...so I guess we might see the site update with them tommorow?
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>>267651645
Holy shit is this real?

Damn sakurai
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>>267651645
source?

That's pretty heart breaking if it's true.
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Maybe that's why he's maining him

but won't believe shit until source
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>>267651645
I'd like to know what he said about Dr Mario.
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>>267651645
So I guess there's no hope of Ganondorf getting Peach's floating mechanic now for Smash 5 right?
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i bet it's from some shit like pg4r gaming
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>>267653361
>I was sick of Mario's FLUDD so I planned to change it in the 3DS/Wii U version but Miyamoto always came to my office and said "No Mashahiro! We're going to make that Sunshine HD remake.. eventually". So that was my only reason he's in really
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nice fake article to get people to suck sakurai's dick more.
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Are people actually upset about Ganondorf not using his sword in Smash? Get over it already. He's fine the way he is. Maybe Captain Falcon should just use a gun.
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I notice how slow Ganon keeps getting smash after smash. Your face when this ganon will be the last we see until toon ganon or someone takes his place.
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>Why isn't he as powerful as he is in Zelda?
he is?
link players can beat him no problem
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>>267654167
So current Ganon becomes Old Ganon?
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>>267651645
Thats sad and whatnot (if true) but what a fucking waste of years of material to use for a character just because of 'my feelings'.

I was under the impression that Smash Bros. was a crossover game.
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>>267654320
Because Smash really needs more swordsman.
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>>267654320
Well...

We've got Sakurai's wife (Rosalina), his brother (Little Mac), his twin sons (Pit and Dark Pit), and his mistress (Palutena), so why not have his dad?
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>>267651645
So that's why he mains him.
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>no source
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>mfw ganon isnt stronk because feels
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>>267651645
>only source is a Google search result of this thread

Faggot
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>>267651645
I know it's fake but I'm gonna choose to believe this.
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>>267654314
And the next one is Punished Ganon.

Morgan Freeman will voice him.
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>>267654951
I did the same and holy fuck why does this exist
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>>267654496
And the man himself (DeDeDe)
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>>267656058
that looks great
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That's bullshit but I still feel it
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>>267651645
Sakurai has talked about how Ganon is his main, and he keeps him that way because that's how he likes to play him.
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There's that fucking ego again.

I won't declone Ganondorf because it means something to ME.

FUCK WHAT THE FAND WANT
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>>267651645
>sakurai's father is the embodiment of all evil
Deep.
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>>267651645
>Keep Clonendorf with TP-inspired design
>Add Toon Ganon with Twin Katana, or Pig Ganon with Trident
Problem solved.

I'd much rather have two Ganons than two Pits.
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>>267656058
Look at all that stuff that was ruined.
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>>267658898
Japanese are evil, remember WWII?
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>>267658853
I really, truly wish that accident he had would have killed him. Imagine how much better Smash would be if he was dead and rotting in the ground, maggots and worms crawling through his rotted eyesockets.
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>>267651645
Sorry but Guilt Tripping is no excuse for why Ganondorf STILL doesn't use a fucking sword when he clearly has one.
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>>267659376
I would sure love to see what would happen if someone like you were in charge of smash instead
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OP IS POSTING FALSE INFOMATION

SEARCHING FOR INFO BRINGS UP A GAMEFAQS TOPIC THAT WAS MADE 14 HOURS AGO AND STILL CONTAINS NO SOURCE
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>>267659452
Actually one of his custom Neutral B moves DOES have him using his sword.
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>>267651645
>Why doesn't he use his sword more?
I don't know why people keep associating Ganondork with swords when he's only ever used them twice throughout the entire Zelda series. Thrice if you want to count a tech demo.
Ganon has always primarily used Magic or a Trident, or both.
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>>267659802
Not that anon but
>Ganon
That's why. GanonDORF has only ever used swords when he actually uses weapons. The Trident seems to be a pig exclusive weapon.

Don't get me wrong, I'd fucking love to see Ganondorf using his Trident. I was actually disappointed that SS had Ghirahim as hurrdurr evil Master Sword rather than a Trident.
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>>267659250
Are you fucking KIDDING me?
We BOMBED them.
We blew up sky high with a h-bomb.
THEY are evil?
They have a beautiful culture and language, that has existed for centuries, and the fat, pig Americans always come to ruin such beautiful creations of mankind. You can't just say they are evil because of world war 2, why are they evil? They were killing disgusting chinks because they are sub-human, is there a problem with that? No! They are just raising the bar as to what is acceptable to call 'civilization'. Every time I imagine the pacific theatre, I imagine a zero, shooting down a fat American, too heavy to be flying anyways, he was barely able to fit in the cockpit, let alone react to the supreme skills of Japanese warriors.
Baka.
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>>267660127
Not sure if pasta.
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>>267660127
Nah, man, Japan literally did a lot of heinous things during WWII.

Plus, to be fair, most people agree the bomb probably reduced the immediate amount of casualties by quite a bit...because the Japanese wouldn't give up. Of course I'm not defending the decision, but at the moment I guess it made the most sense.

Of course, they likely didn't know all the long-term effects of radiation though...
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>>267659619
>DURR COSTOM MUVES
Shut ya dork.
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>>267660127
Have you ever heard of Unit 731?

Japanese are eviler than Hitler.
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>>267659250
is this pasta or just a really mad weeaboo?
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>>267660385
>they likely didn't know all the long-term effects of radiation though...
They didn't. If the bombs failed to make them surrender, we were going to march in with zero protection.
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>>267660127
>We BOMBED them.
They deserved it.
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>>267660629
That doesn't mean they didn't know the effects of radiation.
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>>267651645
>Franz Kafka makes a game
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>>267660127
Someone is doesn't know shit about the Japanese during WWII
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>>267660508
>This is what 10 years olds actually say
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>>267652430
Yeah, with game and watch and hopefully a new stage
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>>267651645
Well that explains why Ganon is his main
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>>267660508
*tips fedora*
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>>267660127
>that has existed for centuries
Try millennia ya dinkleberry.
For all the shit weebs harp on Japan for being impressive, I've yet to see one bring up the fact that they've got the longest unbroken dynasty in history.
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>>267660771
Look at his posts again and ask yourself how smart you're feeling.
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>>267659170
Pretty sure doge was a tumblur thing before /v/ started using it
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>>267660385
>>267660629
Do Americans actually get taught this much bullshit in their history classes?

Japan surrendered because Russia declared war on them. There was a lot of suspicion that the US didn't have many of this crazy new bomb, which is why they didn't surrender immediately. Then Russia declared on them and they knew they were fucked.

Obviously the way the Americans showed they were ready to massacre innocent civilians with the firebombings of Europe and the atomic bombs was scary and played a role in Japanese surrender. But it was the Russians that sealed the deal.
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>>267661117
Silly anon, that would require knowing Japanese history beyond MUH SENGOKU SAMURAI
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Stop making up stories boy
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>>267651645
God dammit, will SOMEONE take this fucking series away from this man? As if we needed to hear any more reasons as to why he is unfit to make decisions regarding one of Nintendo's flagship franchises.
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>letting personal feelings get in the way of a product's quality
You are the worst producer ever samurai
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>>267654139
But Ganon has a sword now. It's one of his custom move.
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If we never bombed Japan

We would never have Anime


America once again proving why we are the greatest nation in the world

Literally making the world a better place one step at a time

How can one country be so based?
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>>267661117
>I've yet to see one bring up the fact that they've got the longest unbroken dynasty in history.
That's the British Monarchy you dumb fuck.
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>>267661634
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>>267661117
Britbong here, that's us.
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>>267661242
Nah, /jp/ had shibe before doge
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>>267660262
>>267660385
>>267660508
>>267660629
>>267660673
>>267660771
>>267660868
>>267661117
>>267661375
>>267661439
Listen here, you fucking GAIJINS. You don't know jack diddly shit when it comes to my spiritual heritage ancestry in Japan. I have talked to the ages old emperors of feudal Japan through visions in my dreams. I have a TRUE knowledge of the greatest nation in all of the world's history.They came to ME, to teach YOU why YOU guys are fucking WRONG. I have spent several dozen hours, training in my backyard with my Katana. I can chop you down faster than you can say, 'Omae wa mo shindeiru.' I will be the end of you if you continue to befoul the name of great Japan. You guys should consider yourselves lucky that Japan had ONE slip up in the years it has conquered the cultures of this Earth.
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Okay, now the sword scar makes sense.

Damn, though, Sakurai -- I think you're putting too much of yourself and soul into this.
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>>267660853
Man, I like your style
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>>267662286
This is you
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Smash 5 had better be developed by a different person so that Sakurai's daddy issues doesn't get in the way of making a good game
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>>267661375
And inciendiaries bombs over 4-6 woodmade jap cities. 400k deaths.
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>>267660127
>We
Oh yeah I remember flying over there back in '45
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>>267662286
>You guys should consider yourselves lucky that Japan had ONE slip up in the years it has conquered the cultures of this Earth.
Commodore Perry came to me in a dream.

He says Japan a gay.
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>>267662539
NO. That is not fucking me, I am 6'8 and 240 Lbs. I would never allow the glorious gift of my own body to become so ungainly, and disgusting. He is obviously unfit to wield a weapon of that caliber. I on the other hand, have been chiseled to the core by my training with the blade. I can tear you in half, with, or without a sword.
Child.
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>>267660127
*tips fedora*
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>>267662539
That guy is pretty cool actually

Too bad about the, y'know.

FAT
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>>267660127

>They have a beautiful culture and language

Well, so did Hawaii, but that sure as hell didn't stop them. I'm not sure that nuking them was the right answer, but raping an island base out of fucking nowhere, especially since America had no real fight with Japan yet, was clearly a dick move on their part.
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>>267662718
*unsheathes fedora*
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>>267662718
Sorry, wrong pic. This one is the real one.
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>>267662718
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>>267662945
You are serious? You think Japan just, attacked Clapistan for no full reason? The Americans knew they had it coming. Why even be mad? The Japanese killed some jarheads sitting on some beaches, and low intelligence islanders, who had no concept of what it meant to be 'human'. They were disgusting savages, good on 'em to be dead.
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>>267662945
Nips targeted a military base, Americans nuked civilians

Regardless of who was the aggressor, the Americans clearly overreacted
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>>267663129
>not an euphemism
It's a hyperbole then.
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>>267654451
There's also the trident, dud. Learn your Zelda history.

I find it funny that Sakurai decided to model the King of Evil after his dead daddy and make him completely suck. Sakurai must have really disliked his father.
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>>267662945
>japan is cooperating with the nazis
>hey let's prevent them from acquiring important resources and expect no consequences
>how dare they attack big brother america we better discipline them
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>>267662945
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>>267656058
Actually, that's not a bad thing in principal. A lot of people like to be in active threads so knowing which is the most active might improve their 4chan experience.
I use that feature on catalog.neet myself.
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>>267651645
Gaddamn do those pants look comfy as fuck
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>>267651645
Yo. that's touching and all, but don't let your personal life get in the way of an established fucking character. I'lll respect the Ganon in the game, and the way he plays definitely reflects how Sakurai views him, I can clearly see that. But this is mother fucking GANONDORF, not some old man you see in him.
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>People complain about the number of sword-based characters saying that there are too many.
>Yet they want Ganon to use his sword.
Can someone explain this hypocrisy to me?
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>you'll never play catch with Ganondorf
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This has got to be bullshit, the man has an excuse for everything. Sakurai defense force gonna eat this shit up.
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>>267662718
Post more I like your style
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>>267656058
>descartes
It's all over
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>>267663757
He was supposed to be a heavy spellsword as reflected in most of the Zelda games.
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>>267663757
Smash swod users are quick, Ganon will probably be a strong and slow swordman, so it would be different.
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>>267662718
Look, anon
Look
It's you
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>>267651645
dem manlet proportions
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>>267663909
You mean like Ike?
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>>267663757
>everyone shares the same complaints
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It seems really off that he would go all out and say stuff like that, I hope no one thinks its real, specially with no source
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>>267664176
Slower and stronger. May also have some proyectiles.
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>>267663375
Epic tumblr gif xD
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>>267663903
Neutral B : Shockwave - short range 360 enegery attack
Side B : Warlock Ball : homing ranged attack, can be carched for multiple shots but the charge can't be cancelled and carried over like other charge moves.
Up B : Levitate
Down B : Warlock Kick or some sort of rushing attack.
Final Smash : Ganon form
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>>267663909
You mean just like Ike and to a lesser extent Link and Shulk?
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>>267664437
Fuck. Maybe I need to lay down a little.
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>>267664176
>Ike
>Speed is his best growth and highest cap
>HEAVY SWORDSMAN
Smash is 99% shit made up by Sakurai, it's not worth complaining about it at this point.
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>>267659802
I always think of this picture when playing with Smash Ganondorf. Fist-fighting Ganon is so badass
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So Sakurai refuses to change one of Nintendo's most iconic villains because he reminds him of his father? That's a nice way to remember your father, as the fucking Dark Lord that turned Hyrule into a shithole, starved a race, froze the main source of water in Hyrule and ruined Hyrule.
I'm buying this bullshit here Sakurai
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>>267663321
Ganondorf != Ganon
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>>267664870
What you're buying is that this bullshit article with no source is real, you dumb idiot
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>>267651645
Is it me, or does he feel so much more fun in this one with customs on?
He's the only one I beat 9.0 with. Dropkick and Fists make him so much more useful.
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I wonder if Sakurai will do a HD Kid Icarus game after Smash 4.
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>>267665114
Nah, he'll probably do a different IP. Guy likes doing different things.
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>>267665317
What IP would you give him next, then?
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>>267651645
Holy shit Sakurai.
I was always hoping each new game that Ganon would keep his clone moveset for my ease of access, then Sakurai rationalizes my shit reasons by dropping a load of deep on us. Man can be a poet sometimes.
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>>267654126
Is this what they call, "pretending to be retarded"?
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>>267665406
To be honest, anything. Hell, make a new one. KI:U wasn't supposed to be a sequel at first.
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>>267660127
Justified.
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>>267665406
It seems like he'd be great with F-Zero. Love to see him do a real racer after Kirby Air Ride, and I think he'd do wonders with F-Zero's unique cast. Only issue is I could see him perhaps "casualizing it", but then again F-Zero is so niche I imagine he won't feel he needs to like he needs to for Smash which reaches a large audience.

Murasame seems like another one, I bet he could turn Takamaru into a pretty slick samurai-archetpye and create a Kamiya-lite style action game.

And for some reason, I'd love to see him have a go with Yoshi.
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>>267664856
Now tell me Anon...In where which point does Ganondorf punch you in the ACTUAL game?
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Maybe edit a few aerials, change his up smash to his up tilt, make his up smash a sword thing, do the same for his down and forward smash, and make his recovery just a bit higher.
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>>267664870
>not wanting to be associated with the Dark Lord who turned Kakariko into a trendy town to live, gave a ranch-hand a break in life, instituted guards in the Lost Woods to prevent a rise in Stalchildren, and tried to unflood Hyrule and repopulate his race
Go home Zelda.
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>>267666014
Wind Waker Ganon does it in the pre-fight cutscene. But that doesn't count. Ironically enough almost exactly as that picture shows.
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>>267666068
I'd keep Side-B (the chokehold) and Up-B, but change the Punch and Kick. Make Neutral B a "spirit bomb" like he does in HW, and Down-B a Phantom Ganon that works like Zelda's.
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Honestly Sakurai should give Ganondorf a unique moveset, and then give his current one to Hades.
We get a playable Hades, a unique Ganon, and we get to keep badass heavy brawler.

That and dark energy fist fighting seems to suit Hades more. Also sakurai gets to suck more kid icarus dick.

Everyone wins.
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>>267665971
>giving Sakurai a hardcore racing game

I don't think that's a good idea.
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>>267665406
Donkey Kong.
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Good Job OP

Now people are eating your shit up on various websites like Reddit/Smashboards/Gamefaqs because YOU posted completely false infomation
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The big guy, the big cheese, the head honcho, the big fella, the host with the most, my main man G-Dorf.
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>>267661907
monarchy is silly, especially in Sweden
>Oh, the queen never married and didn't give birth to any heirs
>Fuck looking for distant relatives, let's get some French fuck, everybody loves the French
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>>267663810
What about towards the end of OoT?
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>>267666528
B-but Sakurai HATES the Dong.
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>>267659026
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>>267666368
I was thinking an energy ball with the same slow startup as the punch, as well as a similar animation, but is the size of a full charge shot and can't be reflected or absorbed.
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>>267666536
Already?
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>>267666014

At what point does he hit you with a sword?

OoT Ganondorf isn't so far off from Falcondorf. He even does the down B ground stomp.

The problem is that the current Ganondorf in Smash is the Twilight Princess one, and he exclusively uses a sword.
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Why are people seriously responding to the weeb in this thread instead of realizing it's satire

>>267666626

The faggot who had to bite his whole style off of a real man (Captain Falcon) to compete in smash
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>>267666014

Ganon as a whole is a mess, and not just in Smash. He used to be this imposing beastman who was a master of magic. Now he's some evil human with a sword that barely uses magic at all, who can occasionally transform into a giant stupid beast for brute strength. Generic shit.
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I guess that explains why Ganondorf is Sakurais main...

;_:7
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>>267658853

>listening to fans

That's how games end up shit. Most people are retards.
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>>267667220
Wind Waker Ganondorf uses two sword. Ganon Ganondorf uses two swords as well. Ganondorf in OOT is obviously a spell caster, the most logical move would be to make him a spellsword like Robin. His Down be would be a shockwave like OOT, His side B a range ball, chargeable, just like OOT. His melee attacks should ALL be with the use of swords, and his grab moves should like like the current side B.
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>>267666898
Yeah, I know "Dead Man's Volley" is iconic to Ganondorf, but the idea of a tennis-like projectile would be sort of dumb.
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>people saying Ganondorf never used a Trident
>Forest Temple Phantom Ganondorf does

Checkmate, swordfags
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>>267667745
phantom ganondorf isnt ganondorf you nigno
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>>267667286
He used magic to empower Zant and control Zelda's body. The fucks wrong with you? The final fight was no bull shit man to man sword fight with Link.
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>>267667828

He's cooler though. He has a horse and jumps through portraits. Phantom Ganondorf should replace Ganondorf.
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>>267667695
I'm not sure if you played Smash bros. yet, but go use Dedede and do the gordo toss attack. It's literally fucking tennis if someone hits it back.
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>>267666779
Exactly man.
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>>267667695
Hey, worked for Dedede. Maybe it could be like that, except it goes straight and if he can hit it back to the opponent, it goes twice as fast and twice the damage.
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>>267668049
Oh, really?
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>>267668149
They show it in the direct.
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>>267663281
>not a euphoric
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>>267667850
HW gas the best recent depiction of Ganondorf. I cheered when he crashed the party at the Temple of Souls and dominated the southern half of the map in seconds.

Brute swordfighting, magic attacks, and ruthlessness. What's not to like?
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>>267667286
It's been an interesting evolution. For OoT they obviously wanted to develop the background of Ganon the evil monster that followers of the series had already slain multiple times, and yet that background has become the foreground.
I really like WW Ganondorf. He's stylish but also seems tired of fighting.
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>>267668340
He's my HW main, he's so fucking fun. Heavy, strong as hell spellsword, just like I've always dreamed.
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>>267667850

You mean the sword fight already seen in WW and to be repeated again in SS?
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>>267668543
Gets a posse to roll with finally. I love Zant constantly sucking up and Ghirahim fondling himself while comparing G-Man to Demise.
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>>267668607
>WW
You mean the two vs. one, Zelda and Link vs. Ganondorf battle? The one that basically represents past vs. future of Hyrule?
>SS
Are you an idiot?
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>>267668340
>calm, confident
>combines pure strength with powerfulmagic, giving the best of both worlds
>resurrects some jobbers so they can serve as his cheerleaders

The best Ganondorf.
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>>267668771
Shredder with Bebop and Rocksteady dynamic.

His story missions are my favorite to play, Zant always talks big but in every attempt finds himself in trouble and begs for help. Ghirahim doing his own thing and capturing keeps in the name of Ganondorf. Truly playing the villain with a crew was a joy.
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If Ganon gets a new moveset, it should be as Pig Ganon with the fucking trident.

Shit like a ground slam and an energy ball are far less iconic and interesting than spinning a trident around to summon bats with dark magic, summoning people into another world by hitting them with lightning, teleporting around menacingly, and all of the shit that can be done with a trident as a primary weapon.

Think about it; Smash currently has 0 polearm users in the entire game. Bowser Jr's already been wasted to the Clown Car, so Ganon's really the only person who can some in repping something resembling a spear.
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>>267659376
>i'm a total piece of shit
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>resorting to using sympathy as a form of damage control

If you ever doubted that Sakurai is a hack, you officially cant anymore.
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>>267669156
If Ridley is too fucking big you can bet your fucking as Ganon is 2 motherfucking big.
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>>267669156
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>>267669376
I attempt to reconcile, I would love for both to be in the game but Sakurai is an ass hole.
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You guys realize there's no sauce and OP is making shit up, right?
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>>267669376
Yeah.

I bet if Ganondorf never happened, Ganon would never be playable.
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GanonDILF
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>>267669673
He is pretty stylish. Look at him, he's an independent Gerudo who don't need no Triforce.
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>>267669376
He could be a bit bigger than Bowser. Honestly, Samurai will never add K. Rool and Bowser can't be resident lardass supreme forever.
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>>267651645
Would that possibly explain this alt colorswap?
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>>267669985
Sakurai is a herofag. He pays no respect to franchises memorable villains, after all most games are only so great because of the villain they set you up against. This holds much more true for games where series will almost exclusively always have the same arch enemy. Having Link without Ganon is ridiculous. As is Mario without Bowser. Where he lost sight of this precedent I don't know, but it's taking it's toll on Smash's hugbox roster.
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>>267653151
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hayhkV1zGVA

HOTO NI
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>>267670406
zelda would still be good without ganon

MC Vaati is the best final boss in the series, OoA's story is better off unlinked, and Link's Awakening is completely unrelated to everything else in the series bar the gameplay, Link, and some enemies
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>>267670406
There aren't many major villains on par with Bowser and Ganondorf. Most Nintendo characters don't really have a main villain. Look at Kirby.
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>>267669118
Just did his first level. Can't wait to go wreck that inferior-to-Cia bitch Lana.
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>>267670616
>THAT EXACT SAME MOMENT DOUBLE KO
I've never seen that shit in my years of playing this game
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>>267665493

It's fake. There's no such quote on the internet. The first result is this thread
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>>267660127
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shitty fake article

though i give no shits on the fact he's a Falcon clone, in fact i love him for it - i think the moveset is hilariously fitting for him, i'd like to know why he's hell bent on making ganon a walking punching bag in everything after melee.

i can't do shit with him in brawl, and he's only somewhat better in 3ds/wiiU, where everyone elses buffs put him back at the bottom again anyway.
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>>267670616
Holy Shit Sakurai is such a fucking casual
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>>267670857
Ridley, Porky Minch, Black Shadow, K. Rool. Just because a series is not Mario and Pokemon-levels of recognized and popular doesn't mean the other series are super-obscure and no one knows anything about them, especially when these major villains have been referenced and shown throughout Smash Bros' history and their series are at lest fairly well-known.
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>>267651645
So he's admitting he's a biased piece of shit? Who'da thought? Thanks for the two new Pit movesets Sakurai, even if they're both really similar to each other and nobody asked for him to get new movesets let alone two, even though people have wanted a unique Ganon since forever.
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i cant believe you faggots are eating this up. he should have his personal life and working life separate. we missed on a potential great characters because of his inability to keep it professional.
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>>267670821
Capcom spin offs.
>>267670857
>Ridley
>King K. Rool
>Team rocket or Mewtwo
>Black Shadow
>Baby Bowser
>Calorie intake
>Masked Man
>Black Knight
>Hades or Medusa
>Dr. Robotnik
>Dr. Wily
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>>267671269
Yeah, BLACK SHADOW is an iconic villain.

Haha, fuck. No. Hasn't Black Shadow been in, like, one game? And it's a racing game, no one fucking cares about the plot.
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>>267671269
Captain Syrup when
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>>267671304
>i cant believe you faggots are eating this up
Look who's talking.
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>>267671394
>Calorie intake

I forgive the rest of your post for this.
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>>267671269
I'll give you Ridley, but K.Rool hasn't done shit for a long time and DKCR sold well without him, Black Shadow has even less material to work with, and Porky's a coward who you only fought twice. They shouldn't be added for the sake of a franchise rep. I'd rather have Cranky and Jeff before them.
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>>267654496

Then who is is mom?
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>>267671408
He's been in every single F-Zero game since X on the N64 with a major story in GX, plus he had a trophy in either Melee or Brawl and was the main villain in the anime. So yes, he is pretty well known.

You being ignorant doesn't mean everyone is.
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>>267662718

Nothin personnel
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I feel like this is going to become one of those things that everyone parrots in 5 years even though it's not true at all and will never be able to be dispelled.
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>>267659376

>wanting people to die because they didn't buff a shitty character

jesus fuck /v/
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>>267671916
>every single game...

So, X, GX, and that GBA anime spin-off that Nintendo wants to ignore.
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>>267671916
>He's been in every single F-Zero game since X on the N64
He's been in two games, and only one of which he did something noteworthy.
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>>267671916
Non one watched the anime haha.

Everyone knows that FALCON PUNCH scene, and that's it.
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>>267660127
Rape of Nanking. Invasion of China pre-WWII. Being more racist than fucking Hitler. Yeah, the Japs are great.
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>>267672204
Not even the GBA one. Hell, the GBA one didn't even have Captain Falcon.
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>>267672204
He was also in the Japan only release of gp legend climax. So he's been in a majority of the game releases.
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>>267669637

Good, we might've gotten a better villain like Ghirahim instead.
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>>267672361
That Game sucks. He's talking about gp legend you fool. He's one of 8 campaign characters in that game and Falcons final race.
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>>267672645
Well, excuse me for not knowing about Japan-only anime fames for the Game Boy Advance. Anyway, F-Zero's current status shows that the series itself, let alone Black Shadow, isn't popular or well-known.
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>>267671802
>but K.Rool hasn't done shit for a long time
And DHD, ROB, and Ness haven't done anything for even longer.

>and DKCR sold well without him
And Super Mario RPG sold well without Bowser as the main villain, why's he in Smash?

>Black Shadow has even less material to work with
ROB's a toy, Mr Game & Watch is a compilation of 27 G&W versions, and all DHD does is laugh at you.

>and Porky's a coward who you only fought twice.
And is one of the harder boss battles in Brawl.

>They shouldn't be added for the sake of a franchise rep. I'd rather have Cranky and Jeff before them.
Why? Because that sounds like you just dislike them for the sake of it and would rather see anyone else for the sake of it. Sorry that I and others would like to see the villains of the series alongside the heroes, since the villains are, you know, important to the series.

Besides, Sakurai already throws in characters for the sake of having reps. Look at Dr. Mario, Lucina, Dark Pit, Pichu, Roy, and Bowser Jr.
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Ganondorf never really uses a sword in the zelda games, he fights by swinging his arms around in oot. Makes sense to keep him as a brawler. Sucks, but makes sense.
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>>267672872
Gp legend was released in America stupid. The sequel is Japan only. And they're extremely good games by the way. All because YOU don't know about them doesn't mean they aren't known.
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>>267673107
Alright. Tell me what Black Shadow would be like without being Ganondorf's old moveset.
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>>267673107
Your SMRPG example is dumb as shit. You don't think FUCKING PLAYABLE BOWSER wasn't a big deal? People loved it, because he was popular.
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>>267660853
Not enough meat touching.
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>>267673329
I think it would make sense to pass Captain Falcon's clone move set to Captain falcon'Falcon's arch enemy wouldn't it?
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>>267671225
Note that a Lucas gave him a run for his money. Guess who isn't in Smash 4.
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>>267673107
Bowser Jr.'s in because he had incredible potential for a moveset and is a more significant character to the Mario series than Rosalina, so Rosalina getting in without him would be silly.
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>>267673107
SMRPG at least had Bowser. He's been in a ton of games. K.Rool, on the other hand, was absent from the big popular revival that made Donkey Kong Country a series again.
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>>267673465
My nigga
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>>267673329
That's the beauty of it. Black Shadow can get Ganondorf's clone moveset and Ganondorf can finally get a Zelda-based moveset. We keep a fun moveset and de-clone the King of Evil.

>>267673378
K. Rool wasn't the villain in DKCR. Bowser wasn't the villain in SMRG. Since both of them weren't villains in one game of a long series, neither of then should be in Smash Bros. That's the logic of "Well K. Rool wasn't in this game so he doesn't deserve to be in Smash".
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>>267672340
Who got Falcon Punched? I thought so.
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>>267673329
>Down B
Hypnosis staggering beam like Mewtwo's.
>Up B
Similar to Captain Falcon's Up B except it's a grapple - swings the enemy round then slams them straight to the ground.
>Side B
Something like M. Bison's Psycho Crusher.
>Standard B
Pulls back a little bit then does a full on body press into the enemy - can charge it by holding the button.

And standard moveset I think would be a lot like how his F-Zero car handles in GX. Very 'lanky' and hard to control (even more so than Ganondorf) and hits a lot harder. A lot of his moves would have sweet spots. But the kicker would be he moves just as fast as Falcon.

That's just the concept anyway.
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>>267673612
Well why bother? Might as well just make a second Ganondorf and give him different moves. It'd be another villain, and it'd satisfy tons of people.
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>>267673310
http://www.zeldawiki.org/Phantom_Ganon

Would be cool if he wielded a trident, however. The Zelda team needs to get their lore strait and get on that.
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>>267673809
Hades should get the Ganon moveset if Ganon is de-cloned
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>>267673809
SMRPG isn't a main series game. DKCR is.
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>>267673809
But K. Rool WASN'T IN RETURNS at all. That's the main point.

Bowser arguably got an upgrade in SMRPG to playable status, and was still the main villain of the mainline Mario games.
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>>267651645
See, Sakurai, this is what I want. Honest answers. None of this 'You're a child if you want this.' and 'I added them because they were different enough!' bullshit.
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>>267673954
Because you can make use of a move set while representing another franchisesl. Why are you so reluctant on even showing another franchises villain?
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>>267674334
I've never gotten a reasonable answer to questions like this, it's always personal opinions or shit like "No one knows or cares about them so they don't deserve to be in Smash", which is only a transparent screen for personal opinions.
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>>267674334
Why not add another villain instead? Someone more than five people can recognize? Someone that actually fights for one? Someone that isn't one villain in a sea of millions? Someone that can bring something new?
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>>267674667
According to /v/ the only villains that fit that are Bowser and Ganondorf. Anyone else is the definition of obscure and unknown and no one cares so therefore they don't deserve to be in the game.
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>>267675056
So why not give me an example? F-Zero's the last franchise that needs a newcomer. Show me a villain that has been seen being a villain in the past five years that would be worth adding.
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>>267674216
Too bad he never actually said anything about Ganon though huh
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>>267651645
Ganondorf had a hard life..he needs some time to rest.
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>>267675346
Why is it the last series that needs another rep? Because you don't like F-Zero? Because Black Shadow would take away a spot for someone you want? Because of some other personal reason you have?

Do you want examples of villains in general? Because you should already know several examples in this very thread.
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>>267651645

....

I'll let this one slide Sakurai.
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>>267675346
Ridley created a lot of waves through out the years, and people actually know of him because of the Other: M infamous PTSD scene.
King K. Rool of course, he hasn't been seen often but he was Donkey Kong's villain for almost 10 years.
Any of Zelda's 2nd tier villains, Ghirahim for instance was really popular and has an incredible original style but he's not worth a slot apparently.
3rd party villains, Wily and Robotnik are extremely iconic themselves, goes without saying.
Fire Emblem villains or anti heroes, Black knight for example.
Mewtwo was a great villain in melee, and one of the villain trio in the final event battle
King Hippo or Sandman would be a cool heavy weight boxer to rival Little mac.
Wolf's the best choice for Star fox but he's gone now.
Hades. He is too perfect that it hurts that he isn't playable.
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>>267675887
>>267675662
It's not true.
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http://www.reddit.com/r/smashbros/comments/2j5izc/ganondorf_sakurais_father/

4chan confirmed for legit news source
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>>267659376
*tips fedora*
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>>267676454
We did it /v/.
We beat gaming journalism with our own.
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>>267659516
>Shadow the Hedgehog
>Dark Link
>Shadow Link
>Dark Mario

Super edge brothers
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>>267663281

>an euphemism
>an ooo-phemism

That's not how you say that word, dude.
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>>267651645
People are STILL thinking this is real, God you faggots are gullible as hell.
>Ganondorf, The Dark lord that's the embodiment of all evil, doesn't use a sword because Sakurai's daddy problems.
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>>267671883
kirby
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>>267678613
After his recent statements, can you blame us?
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>>267679014
Yes, because you idiots don't know how to look up a source and instantly trust bullshit like from THIS SITE of all places.
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>>267679014
I will always blame people who believe things posted without any kind of reputable source.
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>>267679014
>Say it's from Famitsu
>Doesn't find an article of this interview
>Doesn't provide a link for the article
Is it that hard anon? You know people make up lies and BS on this site everyday right?
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>>267679014
>After his recent statements, can you blame us?
That retards are mad because the new game has three characters they don't like instead of three that they do, completely ignoring the rest of the roster?
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>>267651645

That's a very long winded way of saying he's lazy and doesn't want to change clones.
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>>267651645
>land up tilt on someone who's shielding
>mfw i throw out another up tilt and there's nothing they can do
the range on it is surprisingly big and catches EVERYONE off guard
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>>267676454
>They fucking fall for it
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