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Is Bayonetta a female power fantasy or a male sex object? Or

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Is Bayonetta a female power fantasy or a male sex object? Or something else?

I ask this question because the games are full of "male gaze", and yet every man I've asked about this (including myself) doesn't find Bayonetta attractive.
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>>267425630

>yet every man I've asked about this (including myself) doesn't find Bayonetta attractive

Have you considered that you and every one of your friends are homosexual?
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I would bang bayonetta. all 3 holes, 1000 suns, etc
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>>267425630
It's not "male gaze", it's "Kamiya gaze".

Bayonetta is a woman designed to satisfy Hideki Kamiya's personal kinks. Your results may differ
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>>267425630
females don't have power fantasies
deep down all they want is big sexy man to save them
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>>267425716
Can confirm. Am homosexual, not attracted to Bayonetta.
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>>267425630
bayonetta is a parody of oversexualized characters
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>female power fantasy
>women playing Bayonetta
pick one.
The grill on youtube explaining how dodge offset works doesn't count.
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>>267425630
Nigga, you gay.
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>>267425630
Meh. At the very least, the character owns their sexuality.

It's not like so many other games where the fanservice is just there and has no real relevance to the characters or anything (Dead or Alive, Fatal Frame, etc).
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>>267426421
Good. Why does it fucking matter if there is a point to it or not.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipcWm4B3EU4
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she has weird as fuck body proportions

if you find her unattractive you are completely normal
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>>267425793
>etc

meu negro
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Who cares, just post sexy Bayonetta

>tfw Kamiya is mad at Bayo doujins because they always maker her submissive
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>>267425630

The character designer that came up with her designed as a fashionable modern witch.

She's long and slender because she wanted her to look like an action character.

http://platinumgames.com/2009/04/17/designing-bayonetta/
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>>267425630
Bayonetta is supposed to be a sex object, but it fails because Kamiya is a weirdo who wants to be dominated by a giraffe.
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>power fantasy
Why can't she just be a character?
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>>267425630
It's a female attractiveness fantasy.
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>>267426874
>Bayonetta is supposed to be a sex object

No, she's supposed to be a parody of over sexualized characters. She is so hyper sexualized that some find her unsexy

It it intended.
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>>267426046
The only personal kink that Kamiya asked for were the glasses. Everything else was designed by Platinum's female designer.
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>>267425630
>Is Bayonetta a female power fantasy or a male sex object? Or something else?

Some girls want to be seen as sexy as Bayonetta is supposed to be.
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>>267426540
Because otherwise it's just awkward pandering. If you're gonna make your character sexy, don't half ass it, you need to give them the power to own and control it.
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>>267426229
>ironic shitposting is still shitposting
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>>267425630
>female power fantasy
...Is that a thing? I'm pretty positive I've never heard of that.
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>>267425630
This topic is fucking shit
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>>267426874
>Not wanting to fuck a giraffe.
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literally who cares
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>>267425630
Well, IT CLEARLY is a female power fantasy because Kotaku isn't bitching about it.

If Kotaku and Polygon aren't complaining then it's pro-women.
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>>267427214
Post some Bayonetta then
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>>267427162
Logically it could be a thing, but it's hard to think of examples that aren't terrible "GRRL POWER" characters.

>>267425630
It's interesting to note that Enzo and Rodin seem to consider Bayonetta to be purely a friend, and don't even seem to consider her as a sex object. Enzo even has a wife who knows Bayonetta and presumably isn't suspicious.
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Female power sex fantasy

Every woman would love to be bayonetta
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reminder that skill in bayo 2 is more of a suggestion then a requirement. http://youtu.be/m8IeGXbhaGY
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>>267425630
fuck off with these retarded shit questions, the only thing that matters is, "did you like it?"
also bayo was created by a female designer and she made what she wanted to.
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She's strong and feminine. That's basically all there is to it.

Bayonetta entire basis is Kamiya wanted an action game character who could be more graceful in the way they fight, therefore a female character. With Bayonetta they decided to take this over the top and completely exaggerate, hence the postmodernist character design.

At the end of the day, Bayonetta is Bayonetta. Not some label of "sex object" or "strong female", she's too independent, powerful and confident to be a mere label.
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>>267427535
>Kamiya wanted an action game character who could be more graceful in the way they fight

Which is why Bayonetta's combat system revolves around dodging and doge offset to keep the combo multiplier going
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>>267426786
>Glasses! This was something that Kamiya-san really pushed for, as he was aiming to differentiate Bayonetta from other female characters and give her a sense of mystery and intelligence.
>Of course, I think it is just because he likes girls with glasses.
Fucking Kamiya
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>>267425716
>Have you considered that you and every one of your friends are homosexual?

She's way out of proportion, dude.
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I love how her taunt enrages the Angels so much, they're so pure and pious that the mere fact that Bayonetta is insinuating they want to cop a feel like a lewd pervert offends them so so much they go into an actual rage.
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>>267425630
Neither, it's just a power fantasy.

Killing people in games and feeling like the most powerful thing in the world is satisfying regardless of gender.

That's why magic games where you start small and soon start conquering armies is so great to play.
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>>267428002
Yeah, sometimes I wish he legs weren't so gangly, but I'd still bang the shit out of her
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>>267427772
>>267427938
Best documentary.

>that kamiya at the end of it
What does he mean?
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>>267427507
what difficulty is that on
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A lot of the criticisms aimed at Bayonetta as a character are directed at the fact that she's so heavily sexualized, and so this is apparently enough reason to consider her a bad feminist character. However, it must be said that Kamiya put her on the same pedestal as a lot of male characters in games: she was sexy, strong, independent, and actually had a personality beyond just being a stereotype. Personally, I think it's really silly that a lot of people disregard her as a strong character just because she was both a) a sexualized lady and b) made by a dude.

>>267427516
>no discussion allowed
kill yourself
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>>267428581
Demo was only Easy difficulty
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>>267425630
its probably both. not that i care either way
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>>267428651
Bayonetta was "made" by a girl, kinda. Her character designer is a woman.
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Bayonetta's body may have weird proportions, but her face is so pretty
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>>267425630
She's a fucking video game character that acts like a sexy badass because she is and likes to be.

Why the fuck do all you you idiots feel the need to make up all these fucking terms for this kind of shit, god damn.
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>>267428726
That's not the demo, dumbass.
Also the demo let you go up to hard.
Fuck off quinten.
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>>267429130
this

If a sex fantasy and a power fantasy are indistinguishable from one another, why does it matter?
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>>267428919
Kojima?
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>>267425630
How does it feel being a faggot, and being friends with faggots?
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>>267429320
What took you so long, Snake?
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>>267425630

neither dude she is a video game character
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>>267427938

That is an amazing quote.
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>>267429313
i-i-i just wanted to make thread
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>>267426343
Why she doesn't count?
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I'll admit I fapped to her walk animation (them hips), but besides that I agree with the 'so sexualised she's unsexy' thing. Her proportions are so far removed from a normal human it's insane.
I can't see her in a way that isn't 'character design'
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>>267426994
Because post-modernist analysis is all the rage these days.
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>>267430592
>fapped to her walk animation

Yeah, they really knew how to animated her hips. That sway
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>>267429228
It is the demo, that was the first mission from it, that cutscene leads to a mini-boss and then the boss.
I actually didn't know you could change difficulty though, I didn't see any choices. How do you do it?
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Ignoring whatever is going on in this thread. I made a thing for NA folks since we're not getting Bayo 1 boxed with Bayo 2. It's not finished yet, but it should save you most of the trouble if you planned on doing this.

Full res:

http://www.mediafire.com/view/kbo2rtu2ugst3xg/bayo%20wii%20u%20box%20art.png#
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>>267430109
God damn I love bayo2 design so much more than bayo1
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>>267428651
fuck off retard. she wasn't even created by a man.
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>>267431990
I still don't like the weird frock thing, but otherwise it's great.
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I think Bayo is attractive when you look at her in sections, like just her face or just her ass. It's when the package is put together that we get that caricature of sexiness.
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>>267431990
Yeah the short hair really grew on me. Her new outfit is a lot better as well. The new alternate outfits in Bayo 2 look so good as well, I cannot wait for that china dress.

>>267431851
Is NA just getting the disc?
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>>267431990

Bayo 2 hair > Bayo 1 hair

Bayo 1 outfit > Bayo 2 outfit
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>>267426664
>>267425793

>meu negro

meu negro
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>>267430109
come on anon
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>>267432250
Aw, man.

I think this is gonna make me get a Wii U, sexy ladies and CRAZY action is just too stronk.
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>Being sexually attractive to men
>Not a female power fantasy

It's the same reason why guys like being strong, smart and useful. IT'S ATTRACTIVE TO WOMEN.
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>>267432537
Thank you anon. That fucking wink and kiss she's making just does things to me
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>>267432876
There was also a whole version of this pic that's like 10Kx10K
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>>267432250

>Is NA just getting the disc?

Yes. Meanwhile EU gets two different special editions that have both boxed individually. At least it's not a download code I guess.
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>>267431990
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>>267433041

>10k by 10k

Literally to much ass for my monitor. It's an Irish import.
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>>267433058
Why is NoA so shit
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>>267432537
>>267432876
Looks more like she has sand in her eye
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>>267426343
>something that disproves my argument doesn't count
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>>267431335
But it's not the demo because the guy clearly has DT and that wasn't available yet because they wanted to make it a surprise that DT was white hair.
You don't know what you're talking about.
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>>267433385
That video's uploader comments "Only have acess to the demo m8" But don't mind me.
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>>267433385
they actually spoiled devil trigger pretty early and showed that it was a dumb piece of shit anyways

It was A demo though, it's from some guy playing a stage show demo or something.
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a lesser woman's head would only reach Bayonetta's crotch. hrmm, coincidence?
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Reminder that Kamiya said Bayo is a virgin
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>>267425630
>All this tumblr on /v/

You could have stopped it. You could have supported gamergate
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I can't help but think she'd make fun of my inadequate penis.
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>>267433385
>>267433649

Regardless of who's right, the video is most definitely not on any serious difficulty. Enemies don't get hit stunned by normal attacks on higher difficulties like that.

Also, I couldn't find difficulty selection in the demo either so I'd like to know where it is.
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>>267433809
no becuase bayo just has a tiny head
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>>267433809
Bayonetta has elongated proportions, she's actually shorter than Luka if I remember.
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>>267426343
But she is one of the best players

>mfw Bayonetta lore videos and history lessons
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>>267433809
Bayo is average height, Luka is taller than her. She just has wacked out proportions
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>>267434010
>this webm

I cannot fucking wait for luka shenanigans
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>>267433910
I'm pretty sure the only difficulty options are between traditional controls and touch controls, basically easy and very easy.

>>267434185
You won't be disappointed.
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I'm so glad i'll finaly get to play Bayo, never had a 360 and everyone said the PS3 version sucked so I never got to play it.
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>>267426343

Bayonetta was designed by a women faggot.
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>>267432265
Totally agree
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>>267434267

You are In for a treat anon.
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>>267434253
got any more webms?
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>>267433818
But Jeanne isn't
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>>267434621
I got this
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>>267434267
Your wait was worth it. Bayo 1 on the Wii U comes with all that bonus content, while maintaining the performance of the 360 version (even better in some cases), and completely eliminating screen tearing (which plagued the 360 version)
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>>267427507
That's weird, because there was another video that enemies cold break out of your combo. How come they don't break out?

Then again Bayonetta is probably OP as fuck in Bayo2.

- Better Magic system
-Full screen weapons.
-Witch Time buffed.

The game is probably easy because of all that plus people being familar to Bayo1's combat system.
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>>267434267
As someone who suffered through the PS3 version, I am pretty excited for the port.
Although the game lagged like fuck and actually crashed once or twice it was still extremely fun and that finale, oh man.
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>>267433818
Fun Facts: Jeanne's pedestrian job is a fashion designer and history teacher while Bayonetta's is a legitimate nun.
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>>267434621
not of Luka. I meant that there's more Luka in Bayo 2 doing his usual thing.
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>>267434805
>Witch Time buffed
Is it? It feels so much shorter than it was in 1.
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>>267434863
Ah well, wouldn't wanna spoil things for myself anyway.
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>>267434731
You forgot Jeanne smaller tits
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>>267434990
I like that Witch Time has bullet trails now, it looks pretty cool
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http://obligatoryspiderqueen.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/b-i-t-c-h-bayonetta-in-total-control-of-herself/

Apparently Bayonetta is actually supposed to be a rebellion against patriarchal Christianity.
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>>267434990
They were people talking about how you could witch time every time in the game. That's probably why Witch Time is shorter in this game.
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>>267428002
>>267428265
That's the pont of the artstyle though why do people bitch about it as if it wasn't intentional?
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>>267435248
>problematic

there's that word again
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>>267430000
>0000
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>>267435024
I wouldn't have said any specifics. 'sall good.

>>267435293
>you could witch time every time in the game.
As opposed to? I'm not getting something.
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>>267435293

I prefer it shorter, the Belief boss fight is a fucking avalanche of dodging into small WT periods and attacking and dodging, the WT is just long enough that it doesn't slow everything down too much.
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>>267430963
Being a leg,thigh and hips man bayo is like a wetdream come true
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>>267434817
Maybe I'm outing myself as a filthy console peasant but I really didn't find Bayo on PS3 to be that bad. I played it with the patch and I didn't get any lag that I noticed, and no crashes or anything. I was surprised at how comparably fine it felt
Besides that one area near the end of the game where you're getting about 15 fps, but that was the only time it got bad
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>>267430000

SHE DOESN'T COUNT
BUT I THINK YOU CAN
BECAUSE IF I CAN COUNT
THERE ARE 4 ZEROES
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>>267435045
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>>267425630
It's a kickass, god-tier action game with a sexy female protagonist. Even if I was a female gamer, I would go lesbian for her.

Also Maddox said it right about "sexism":
http://thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=spiderwomans_ass
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Pixie cut superior
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>>267434805

>That's weird, because there was another video that enemies cold break out of your combo. How come they don't break out?

Difficulty. They really toned down normal this go around a lot. Everyone who's played the Japanese version I've seen has recommended playing the game on hard, which is the hardest difficulty available at the start.
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>>267435248

>http://obligatoryspiderqueen.wordpress.com/2012/06/26/b-i-t-c-h-bayonetta-in-total-control-of-herself/

>Because under the fluff and noise, this is a game about murdering the patriarchy with its own tools of oppression.

No it isn't...
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>>267435593
Did the patch change how enemy spawns were staggered to keep the framerate up, but only giving you a few guys at a time to knock around? That and the load times are the biggest criticisms of the ps3 version I've heard, aside from the framerate.
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>>267435682
And then Jeanne was given a biker suit in Bayonetta 2 with even smaller breasts and Kamiya loved it
I know you can have short haired Jeanne in Bayo 2 but can you combine her old hair with her new biker suit because damn I love that biker suit
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>>267435593
It really only got "bad" during boss fights and the later levels, early in the game it wasnt bad at all, only with a couple rough spots here and there, still playabe aside from that one are like you said, that was really bad.

Well anyway, a game like this requires good framerate, hence why I am so glad it got ported.
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>>267425630
>There are people in this thread who find Bayonetta attractive

How? She looks like a hideous spider creature with those unnatural limbs and extremely small head
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>>267435593

It's hard to notice how dead your grass is if you've never seen someone with a green yard before.

Don't ask my why I chose that analogy, but you get the idea.
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>>267436156
Don't you find that sexy?
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>>267436156
While I don't find her attractive really, I do like the animations. I've always loved seeing tall and lanky people fight. She has qt face though
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>>267436156

Because I look at her ass and face separately.
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>>267436156
I don't find her attractive, but I also don't find her repulsive. She looks fine to me.
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>>267435926
Only played it post-patch, so I dunno, sorry. Load times were middling, but of course they put the combo practice in to distract you
>>267436180
Yeah, I get it, there's nothing to compare it against. I just expected it to be unplayable, and instead it was acceptable
I will get it on the Wii U since there's such a drastic improvement
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>>267436517

I wouldn't say its acceptable, but it is playable. The distinction being that the former implies I'd be okay if more game performed similarly.
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Do they top Jeanne driving a Motorbike up a Rocket in Space for Bayonetta 2.
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>>267437539
Does punching and kicking with legcannons in umbran mechs count?
I don't think so. Bayo 1 was ridiculous and over the top with what happened at the end. Bayo 2 is more story driven. IMO, it's less "what the fuck is on my screen right now it's brilliant" and more of a quiet "Oooh. So that's what happened." That's my opinion, at least.
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Sooooo, Bayonetta, has a taunt where she says 'Ask your mum", that's gotta be Kamiya referencing his favorite Twitter reply.
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>>267437834
Considering we're gonna have both Heaven and Hell against us, I think there's a very high chance the ending is going to be just as, if not more so, climactic as the first.
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>>267438075

Speaking of Hell, do Bayonetta expect to be able to hold off their destiny forever? They're going to run out of Angels or be killed at some point, maybe Bayonetta 3 should be about breaching dem contracts...
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>>267437945
is this for real?

source
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>>267435335

Just because it's intentional doesn't mean it's suddenly okay.
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>>267438335
trying not to get myself spoiled but I think that's part of the reason why Gomorrah (among others) are trying to kill Bayonetta now, as the left eye, she's becoming a force even inferno is fearing.
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>>267438342

Hold down on the D-Pad instead of just pressing it in the demo, she says "If you want to learn how to talk to a lady, ask your mum" or something.
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m y new memem
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>>267438436
Yes it is?
When it is a subjective thing I mean
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Bayonetta is a walking fetish incarnate

>MILF
>LEGS
>HEELS
>HAIR
>BDSM
>FEMDOM

THE LIST GOES ON
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>>267438478

So why is Madam Butterfly and Queen Sheba still chill as fuck?
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>>267438593
contract

you want to get in a demonic lawsuit or something?
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>>267438075
How much of the game have you seen? Whether it is or it isn't depends on a lot preference and expectations. I'm having some trouble separating out the over the top and the climactic from bayo 1's ending. To me, bayo 2 is more satisfying overall, but not so much of a CARAYZAY end as the first.
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I still get chills from the extended Queen Sheba summoning before you finish of Jubileus.
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>>267438737

How much power does she lose without Inferno's help? I presume her power to headbutt Skyscrapers at people is her own power as a Witch, as well as shapeshifting, gravity defiance and super strength and durability?

I'm just wondering how she can take on Inferno without Inferno's help.
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>>267438593
Madama Butterfly & Madama Styx, because I'm a nitpicky bastard. Also, the story kind of touches on it, but without outright saying why. I think.
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>>267435585
are you me?
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>>267432805
That's bullshit. Straight men who are really into working out tend to disregard women, as do straight men who work in fields where they need high intelligence.
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Is it true you practically NEED Umbran Climax to do decent damage to bosses now?
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Have we had an enemy that has Angelic Weaves yet?
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>>267439184
Masked Lumen does that. He uses feathers as the material instead of hair.
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>>267439015
Na. Wicked weaves, punishing, and combos seem to be enough, if you dislike umbran climax. UC feels like serious mode from bayo 1, but stronger and temporary. So if this changes on higher difficulty or on harder bosses, I don't think it's the end of the world.
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>>267439294

I'm pretty sure I summoned a smaller, but whole Hair demon frog during UC at one point during the demo, it was insane.
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>>267438739
I've only played the demo, same as everyone else, but I still have some high hopes. Obviously the demo was the tip of the iceberg, and I think it came out strong, especially with such a big boss.
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>>267438925
In the direct the director said that inferno doesn't have any kind of hierarchy unlike paradiso

that could mean that it's a lawless zone where the strong rule and everyone is minding their own business

you don't have a bid bad pulling all the strings and commanding every single demon unlike the first game
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>>267427938
Truly a philosopher.
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>>267438593
Do you honestly think Madama Butterfly would give up on a halo gravy train like Bayonetta so easily?

The same applies to Jeanne and Styx.
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Bayonetta is Bayonetta. It's a video game, not a statement about fucking gender roles.
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>>267439184
>>267439278
What would actually be the name for the Lumen equivalent of a wicked weave?

Weave is because hair but the lumen sage medium is feathers.

Inversely, the Lumen equivalent of Witch Time is Light Speed.
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>>267425630
To be honest I don't really understand the whole "sex is bad" thing when it comes to characters in general. It seems like implanting even the smallest amount of sexual teasing in a personality makes them a bad character but it's far from the contrary. Humans are all naturally enticed by sex, whether they like to admit it or not. Those who understand this, embrace their sexuality, and use it to their advantage really shouldn't be penalized for it.
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>>267439661

Halos? I thought Rodin takes the Halos and the Demons of Inferno take her Angel offerings? I presume when you see those arms pull the bosses into Hell that Sheba takes her piece on the other side.
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>>267425716
It's funny you say that, because Bayonetta totally looks like a drag queen. Her height, her body structure, even down to her face half the time, just screams dude in lady disguise.
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>>267439420
Yep. when you do a combo that's suppose to end in a WW, it ends with a more complete summon in UC. Same with the elbow drop from Madama Butterfly with the PPPPP or PPPPK combos.

>>267439429
I've already seen a full playthrough from a Japanese copy. There are a couple LPs on youtube if you don't care about spoilers. But yeah, the demo was great, but it was a bit more dense than the full game. Notice how you didn't have any sections where you walk around or do any easy puzzles?
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>>267439661
I want to see butterfly and styx as pimps now
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>>267425630
BAYONETTA 2 should have been about jeanne as the main character as kamiya originally intended.

Bayo 2 isnt pulling me in like the first but i will get it eventually.

Game just seems to lack kamiyas special touch
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>>267439898
Demons love halos. Angel corpses are just as nice but there isn't often Bayonetta leaves them for Inferno to snatch up beyond the Auditio.
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Bayonetta is ______________________________a good game.
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>>267439967
I've thought the same thing since the first time I ever saw her, before the first game even came out.

I mean Jesus, look at OP's image. It looks like the back of a fucking male basketball player playing dressup.
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>>267438980
yes
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Man, the demons of Inferno are fucking violent as hell, Paradiso doesn't stand a chance against such brutality.

I'm remembering the enemiesi n B1 where they can change shape, and the climax finisher for them ends up in them getting absolutely battered, and Tempestia or whatever he's called, gets punched in the gut, arm ripped off and beat to shit.
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>>267440224
hey man
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Doest he full game explain how a single hit from Gomorrah separated Jeanne's soul from her body?
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>>267439971
I don't want to spoil anything, but I was anticipating the walk abouts and puzzles, same as the first. How are the general action sections in comparison to the first?
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>>267439967
>>267440194
I'm not seeing it, I think you guys are just fags.
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>>267440271
> the enemiesi n B1 where they can change shape
Golems. and iirc, they were made by the witches and sages, but they're classified with the angels. They're back and more badass.
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>faggot OP tries to start stupid thread about muh sexism
>thread evolves into actual gameplay discussion

Good for you /v/.
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There's another Angel Slayer mode right? That's all I ended up playing in the end.
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>>267440667
>>>/out/
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>>267440618

>dat failed slam dunk into '....what the hell, FUCK HIM UP LADS' Climax finisher

Sometimes you feel sorry for the Angels during a TA.
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>>267439793
Everyone is always ready to forcibly adopt something to support their cause. They're especially prone to do that when that thing doesn't acknowledge that saying, "so and so supports it" because more often than not people don't fact check.

It's like finding messages in art that don't actually exist. The author might be dead or the author is enough of a shit if you ask them they'll say, "Yeah, that was my idea all along."

To me, Bayonetta is a group project where the mission statement was, "Create the most batshit insane action game we can, crank every dial to 11."

People should be celebrating the game as a high-point in unrestrained creativity. The protagonist is a hyper sexualized woman with a hair cat-suit who uses that hair to summon hellspawn that take the shape of dragons, crabs, spiders. She also occasionally straps projectile weapons such as ROCKET LAUNCHERS to her heels. It's not just the thought alone but the fact that it is clear tonnes of talent went into the concept to make sure it was the absolute best it could possibly be for such a ridiculous concept.
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>>267440764
Shhh no tears, only gameplay now.
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>>267440481
I have no intention of spoiling anything. I try to hide anything borderline.
The game looks really similar to bayo 1, but a bit longer, more rewarding along the way, and more polished visually and story-wise. It still has walking bits, huge quote marks "platforming" segments, and other changes to the kind of gameplay like 1 did. What do you mean by general action sections?
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>>267435886
> not always going the hardest difficulty from the start
Fucking plebs
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>>267440798
I felt sorry for Gomorrah in the demo with those TAs. It's wonderfully brutal.
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>>267436156
Shes hot. This whole week I have been masturbating to batonetta hentai while listening to "tomorrow is mine" in preparation for bayo 2
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Do enemies attack off screen in Bayonetta?
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>mfw I had a teacher who looked like Bayo minus the beehive and had a hey kid aura all around her
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>>267440887
Are we reading the same thread?
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>>267441163
yes
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>>267440427
I don't think Bayo or Jeanne are very resilient people.

Thats why they dodge most of the time instead of just tanking the sword to the chest like Dante does in every game
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>>267441163
They can. Targeting enemies well can mitigate that, and a lot of ranged attacks warn you before they land. If you know what you're doing, it's not a problem.
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>>267441156

I had a massive grin on my face seeing his face get progressively more buried into the side of the building with each punch.

Gotta' respect the structural integrity of that building I guess.

Is Gomorrah kill for good when that weird Chimera hair beast bites into him and slams him into the ground?
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>>267441172
on a scale from 0 to /ss/ how ara ara was she?
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>>267441275
>like Dante does in every game
Will he ever get stabbed again? ;_;
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>>267441354
maybe? I mean probably because it's the actual Gommorah instead of the hair summon, like when Balder snapped his neck back in the first game.
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>>267441172
I think you mean "Hey kid ara ara"
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>>267441354
Theres more than one Gomorrah.

In some on-rail sections you can see some passing over you
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>>267441207
Clearly not. As these last few posts have been about the actual story and gameplay, and not about muh sex pandering that dominated the early part of this thread.
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>>267441508
Do they have ever explain why Dante's clothes are never effect by the stabbing
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>>267441275

Bat Within is my favourite 'dodge' move from any action game ever, it just oozes style and it's actually a tight timing requirement but not OP like a Perfect Parry.
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>>267425630

Bayonetta's character was designed by a female.

I don't understand how she could be apart of the "male gaze".
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>>267441275
That didn't happen to Dante in Viewtiful Joe
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>>267441354
I had the exact same feeling. A big grin and feeling sorry for the poor hellspawn.
I'm not sure if Gomorrah comes back. I don't remember anything big about that. I think chimera and the other half dozen new demons are the replacements. Not sure, though.
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>>267441597
All of Bayo's summons are her demon pets except for Butterfly and Sheba

Shouldn't be a surprise to see more of them hanging around in inferno
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>>267441676
>>267441709
kek nevermind
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>>267441172
I am imagining "hey kid I'm a computer " now
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>>267441540
>>267441354
>>267441597
Jeanne summons a Gommorrah in the final battle
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>>267425630
She was designed by some legit fashion designer, they're just into that goofy-looking shit.

She's fun, though, as hilariously bad as she is at being sexually enticing. Have you see the fucking Wii U costumes?
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>>267441508

Nothing tops how he goes through Alastor, wings and all.
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>>267441681
Cause they would have to model and animate the clothes ripping.
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>>267441275
Exactly, they're glass cannons.

Like in most games it is probable that for the purposes of plot they don't suffer a single hit. Like how no protagonist in Resident Evil actually takes a zombie bite or bothers with healing of any sort.
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i've heard from women who enjoy bayonetta that they say that bayonetta has 'agency' and that she uses her 'sex-positivism' to own her body, making it okay that she is sexualized.
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>>267441681
If he can master any weapon by just playing with it for a few seconds I don't see why he couldn't be a master tailor who can fix anything in a few fractions of a second
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>>267441709
It's why they get thrown for a loop when trying to denounce Bayonetta as sexist and they hear she was designed by a woman.
I imagine there was quite a lot of "internalized mysogyny" and "slave to the patriarchy" thrown around once they found out. And then you got the pro-sex feminists who find her empowering and all that shit who butt heads with the anti-sex SJWs and feminazis. It causes too much confusion among their ranks to mount any sort of campaign against her.
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>>267441863

She has to pretty durable..., I recall making cracks in the ground from long drops/jumps.

Maybe it's like, a Demon punch would liquify a human, but just merely wound Bayonetta seriously.
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All the stuff she has in her hair looks like a complete nuisance. I have somewhat long hair, though it's much shorter in a relative sense, and even it gets in my way occasionally.

Having all this stuff constraining it / weights in it, would not only make it swing around and whatnot, but be heavy and just feel generally awful. Makes her character seem very relaxed, yet anxious at the same time. An odd duality.
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>>267442078
If he was any good with his fingers he wouldn't have such bad luck with women.
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>>267433286
or cum
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>>267441508

lol, the bottom right pic looks as if he doesn't even realise he's been impaled because he's so impervious to it now.
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I dunno. I used to find Bayonetta just stupid, as she was oversexualized to the point of being unattractive, but I never played the game. Apparently she's actually really well written, the gameplay is of course good. Funny thing is I don't know any guys who give a damn about her, but a lot of girls I know love her games. So...make of that what you will.
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>>267441830
The new non-nintendo outfits are so much better than the ones in Bayonetta 1.

this is partly because Bayonetta doesn't have the beehive but I dunno, they ooze so much more style too.
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>>267441508
Fucking awesome. Always loved Dante just because of how over the top he is.
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>>267425630
Kill yourself
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>>267442489
Mostly the lack of the beehive.

The beehive was so dumb.
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>>267442489

Are the Gun0Chuks still in this?
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>>267442842
no
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>>267442557

In the DM3 intro he gets stabbed to fuck by about 3 or 4 Scythes at once.
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>>267442842
no, we do have chain chomp, and chainsaws on hands and feet, which kinda replace odette.
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>>267442895

Balls, they'd go well with that Umbran Gekka costume, that and they were awesomeb ecause Bayonetta actually made a "YIPYIPYIPYYIP-WATA!" noise with them.
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>>267442557
He only goes over the top in 3.

Pretty much only because of the backlash at 2.
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>>267443012
>replace odette.

Nooooooooo!

They were my favourite weapons. ;_;
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>>267435682
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>>267431335
>It is the demo
You can switch weapons in the demo?
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>>267435248
If Bayonetta ever talked to a modern-day feminist, she would say something like "Honey, if you really want men to notice you, there are better ways. Just ask your mom."
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>>267427507
GOTTA SPIN2WIN, BABY!

...Seriously, the demo's just on Easy. If prior Platinum games are any indication, that's just tutorial mode.
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>>267431851

Finished.

Full res:

http://www.mediafire.com/convkey/aa05/rdybbteluth24bjfg.jpg

Tell me what you think.
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>>267443364

Normal is confirmed for nerfed though so play on hard for first playthrough.
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>>267428307
WHERE DO I FIND THIS
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>>267443446
>.jpg
Lossless or don't bother.
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>>267442445
I personally don't feel her physical sexualization was anything of a turn-off.

What I did find unattractive after a while was her personality towards one of the male characters. She comes off as a sex-crazed predator to the point where it feels too blunt. Sure, it's funny to break the ice with some highly aggressive innuendo but after a while it feels kinda stupid and disappointing that the characters don't say, "haha, yeah, okay, I get it." Because after that point it would have been "better" to me if she kept up the incredibly sex-charged dialog but with a tinge of irony to it like "I'm talking and behaving like this because I know it bothers you," because if they had done that, it would have made her sound way more intelligent and not some meathead.

But that's just her interactions with one character. Getting all sassy and catty at the enemy was great. Because she's keeping up some action-hero swagger.
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>>267443657

It's png, i don't know why it says jpg
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>>267443616
I think it's the eyes of bayonetta. it's on youtube.
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>>267442445
>oversexualized
I don't think I will ever understanding this word.
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>>267443709
Ah. Sorry, I didn't check the actual file itself.

>>267443723
>Making dumb comparisons that highlight a lack of knowledge
/v/ for ya.
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>>267443343
Kamiya like them flat

nothing wrong with that
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>>267443446

Neat! I wonder what would be the best paper to use.
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>>267443709
Can confirm it's png. Will that fit on a wii u case properly?
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>>267443709
To add on, I like everything except the red text at the top. It throws off everything.
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>>267443343
Either he lied about liking big breasts or he tricked her into giving her smaller breasts than she wanted to draw
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>>267438478
Inferno is not organized. Also the Gomorrah that tried to kill her isn't even the same Gomorrah from Bayo1, since that one was killed by Balder.
Infernals, however, are not supposed to attack witches. That's why she's "glad that some of them (Madama Butterfly, Hekatoncheir, Labolas, Mictlantecuhtli, Malphas and Baal) are keeping their part of the contract."
Apparently, it has something to do with a new lady demon.
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>>267440953
I was referring to the fights that occur every so often in between the bosses but that pretty much let me know what to think
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>>267441709
But the male gaze has nothing to do with her design, it's to do with the camera positioning and editing.

Bayonetta's scenes are usually shot in a way that focuses on her sex appeal.
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Without thinking with your dick, is this series actually good? Never played Bayo 1, but I'm considering getting the game at the very least to support 3rd party on the Wii U.
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>>267443673

You mean Luka? I don't remember her being too bad, if anything he was more annoying because he's not sure if he wants to kill her one minute out of revenge or bang her the next.
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>>267439015
No, but it's recommended because it looks awesome. Also, the "finisher" hits summon full sized demons. It's called "Infernal Weave."
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>>267444405
Do you like hack&slash action game? It is solid as far as hack & slash action game go. With an usual over the top platinum thing.
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>>267444462
>Daisy costume
>Luigi doll
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>>267444405
>Without thinking with your dick, is this series actually good?
It's terrific, one of the most refined action games ever. Really high skill ceiling.

In fact, I'd say that it isn't even good for your dick anyway. Most scenes are more funny than arousing.
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>>267444405
It could star a plank of wood instead of Bayonetta and the game would still be exactly as good
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>>267444405
it's up there with DMC3/4
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>>267444304
Ah! I have a bit of criticism for that, but I'll save it for the sake of not spoiling. They're still in, but not as required. Like optional cannon fodder bashing verses.
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>>267444123

They should have known better, they know how strong she is...though I guess a Gomorrah is just a mindless beast.
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>>267444186
It's not a revolution. It doesn't offer anything that .wav or .aif does. Nobody in the audio industry uses it. It doesn't provide compression so the files sizes are the same and it also minutely uses up more cpu. No DAW even supports it really. Maybe audacity but that's a shot program
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>>267444405
Fantastic if you enjoy hack and slash games.
Responsive controls, tons of weapons and combos, lots of replayibility and unlockables, fun combat.
Pretty much everything you can ask for from a game of its genre.
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>>267444649
>>267444649
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>>267443351
Try pressing R
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Is Jeanne more unique to play as this time?
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>>267444462
Did Bayo's butt increase in size? Not that I'm complaining.
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>>267444540
>>267444578
>>267444639
>>267444659
>>267444770
Hm, all right. Guess I'll pick up the game then. Thanks.
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>>267443351
Right bumper in the default, non-touch controls. I think touchscreen mode has a circle in the lower left corner to switch.
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Do we fight all of her Hair Demons in the full game?
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>>267445050
Only two iirc. Gomorrah and the Phantom clone whose name I forget
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>>267442842
You unlocked the gunchaku by playing 100 chapters.
I don't know if anyone already managed to do that.
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So I hear they've all but killed air juggles against most of the bigger enemies now...
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>>267444674
Makes me think of God Hand then, no more angel walls blocking you?
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>>267444186
>Audiovisual
No, you're very unlikely to find video in "lossless" formats.

Flac is not an unnecessary inflation of size.

PNGs can often be smaller than jpegs, at an obviously higher quality. Most people don't understand compression schemes and don't know how to make an intelligent decision or when certain types of compression are more viable.

I'm really not certain what you're trying to say. Jpegs represent color via YCbCr, chroma is often subsampled, and it introduces compression artifacts in addition to the lower gamut it's capable of representing. Why you would dislike these things being absent is beyond me, we're not in the age of dial up anymore, and they aren't substantially larger even for complex images.
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>>267445150
Phantasmaraneae
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>>267443976

Glossy photo paper, not the thick shit though, it has to bend. I'd pick it up in person so you know exactly what you're getting.

>>267444069

If you print it at the correct dpi it should. 300 dots per inch seems to be correct.
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>>267445050
I think we'll be fighting everyone besides Madama Butterfly.

Madama > Bayonetta
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>>267444462
wtb more .webms of Bayonetta at good angles in the most revealing costumes.
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>>267444679
The smart ones, like Malphas, are still on her side.
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>>267444462
so lewd
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>>267445240
Thanks m8. No way in hell I could remember that.
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>>267445320
same scene, different costume. Not as skin tight and sorta boring though. I look forward to seeing her in every costume in this scene though.
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>>267445246

You think so?

What I thought was weird, was how in B1, Jubileus was the Creator and yet Queen Sheba was so big she could fit Jubileus in the palm of her hand.

Forget Madama Butterfly, just how powerful is Sheba?
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Please tell me she gets a Zero Suit.

Most of the Nintendo outfits look like garbage.
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>>267445150
Oh I should add that you do see a couple of Scolopendra flying around in Inferno and they attack you during a flying sequence, but you don't really fight them in any sort of boss battle
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>>267445435
Thanks for posting, anon. The more I can jack my dick to, the better.
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>>267434010
That poor bastard, all he want's is to be a hero. And yet he fails at it every single time

HILARIOUS
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>>267445186
Angel walls keeping you in certain areas are still in. However, if you want, you can avoid the cannon fodder fights and go straight from boss to boss faster than in 1. You can't do a raw boss rush, though. It's just... less of it is required. And instead, you can go off the main path in search of those fights, Muspelheims, and chests if you want to find them. I'm still not sure what to think about it.
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>>267444461
I do mean Luka. I just didn't like the guy or her interactions with him. I didn't like how much of a non-contributor he was.

I get being intimidated by Bayonetta, who wouldn't. But I felt the game needed a more straight-edged sort of character in contrast to how crazy Bayonetta and Jeanne were - someone not important, an ally, sympathetic, but totally capable of getting over her highly sexualized zingers like Rodin and Enzo clearly had. The kid was submissive and meek enough, Luka really didn't need to be such a dork too. They could have easily lumped Joe Pesci and Luka's character together.

I guess I was waiting the whole game for a single snarky comment like "goddamn woman, go rub one out if you're not going to actually jump on my dick", which would give her an opportunity to make a very grounded intelligent comment before going straight back to sex-crazed alley cat.

I guess the thing is that I know people in real life who talk like Bayonetta. Some of them are complete meatheads who can't help but inject sexual innuendo into everything, which is reflective of how not very smart they are; hard working sure, but not smart. But there are others who use it like a game just seeing if someone wants to clash wits.

See, the people who inappropriately throw innuendo everywhere typically don't have the assets to back it up. People who use it intelligently typically have the assets to back it up. Bayonetta has the assets and the attitude but she just didn't feel smart to me.
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>>267445435
>White Pantsu

Pure.
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>>267441508
Nothing will ever top that Alastor acquisition cutscene

God fucking damn I love DMC1
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>>267445504

Don't think so friend. Wasted opportunity.
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>>267444649
Get out of our secret club, Tumblr. No girls allowed
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>>267445721
I'm not sure I understand completely, but it sounds different so I guess I have something to look forward to.
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>>267445895
>>>/eitochan/

Stop with your falseflagging. The people who wanted to migrate after the whole "m-muh gaymergate!!" shit already left. You won't convince anyone else. Fuck off.
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>>267445830
>God fucking damn I love DMC1

Mah nigga.

Kamiya gave us some nice DMC1 references in the first Bayonetta as well.
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>>267445776
>but totally capable of getting over her highly sexualized zingers like Rodin and Enzo clearly had
I don't recall Bayonetta ever USING sexual zingers on Rodin or Enzo. Bayonetta gets flirty around Luka because she has a domcrush on him.
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>>267425630
I don't find her all that attractive, not really my kind of girl at all. Not to mention all of the Nintendo costumes look fucking awful on her.
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>>267446290
No one cares, fuck off faggot.
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>>267446290
See >>267446062
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>>267446290
Because like racists they do no research before splerging thier opinion everywhere.
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>>267444840
Why didn't they make a senator Armstrong costume for the game?
It would look out of place, but it would be funny as fuck.
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>>267446290
>Implying Duela Dent isn't one of the shittiest characters that DC has to offer

She was a tryhard character since the fucking beginning.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duela_Dent

Just take a read and tell me she isn't DA-tier.
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>>267446046
Sorry, can't into writing lately. I'm not judging it either way right now. I think it'll be a blast.

General question. Is there a full list of demons used in climaxes yet? I'm trying to find what one is suppose to be, because it just looks strange. I think it's tied to Undine, but I thought I summoned it in the demo.
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>>267426720
>always make her submissive
you're reading the wrong doujins, then
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>>267446424
>censored
what the fuck
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>>267425630
>>Is Bayonetta a female power fantasy or a male sex object?
yes
>>or something else?
nope
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>>267433809
So that's why she couldn't be in Smash
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>>267446224
She didn't. I just wanted to mean that they were comfortable around her and likewise her with them. Yeah, she had just met Luka, but I wanted a moment where Luka maybe wasn't such a wuss and she wasn't all crazy.

I'm not really looking forward to Luka again in the second game. Not unless he stops being a spineless stalker 100% of the time. And when I say spineless I mean in his interactions with her.
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>>267444649
No one cares, Anita. Go scissor Zoe or something.
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>>267446693
nevermind. it's Baal, but can't find any art of it.
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>>267446729
MOST of the doujins are of her being submissive. And when I say most, I mean of the barely two dozen that are out there.

That's fairly telling of the pornographic culture out there. When given a stronger character they're more likely to portray them in a submissive light than have them behave in-character.
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>>267444358
Which is also why the camera position in Shaun of the Dead focuses on the characters' reactions to hitting zombies with blunt objects: They're making a genre parody
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>>267447334
Yeah, seeing Bayonetta be submissive is really a turn off. Or the classic in every doujin

>Dominant character turns submissive once the D is inserted
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>>267445435
Schoolgirl Bayo looks weird. That's not a fetish gag I think they can pull off with her or the setting.
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>>267447539
Like, one of the ones where she's in charge it's only because she's /ss/'ing an age-reduced Luka. And that's only because it's /ss/.

Why waste the opportunity to have someone just as willing to throw you around in the sack as you are to to them without needing the excuse of some fetish like /ss/. Sure, she becomes all aggressive at the end of most of them, but what's the fucking point.
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>>267447514

You mean in how real people would react to caving in a half rotted skull with a Baseball Bat, I,E disgust?
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>>267446680
That sounds like the most terrible thing.
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>>267448348
Yeah. The first time Shaun and Ed fight zombies it doesn't show the heads being caved-in, it shows those two squinting and hammering away over and over due to it actually being hard to break a human skull.
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Is Riku from Kingdom Hearts a male power fantasy, or a female sex object? Or is he just THE DARKNESS?

I ask this question because every female Kingdom Hearts fan I ask who has actually played the games say they love his bishy butt. I don't know what a bishy butt is please send help.
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>>267449072
He's just DARKNESS and fujoshit b8.
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>>267449072
He is just a boy.
His DARKNESS phase already passed
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I hope you rike masturbating to Kojima's female clone
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>>267449520
What if he becomes the DARKNESS again in Kingdom Hearts 3
What if some mean man named XXENKRAD comes and makes him do mean things?
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>>267425630
She's a video game character.
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>>267442268
"Dante."

"Yeah, Nero?"

"You kinda got..."

-Dante looks down-

"Well Nero, when you've been through about 3-4 games of this shit, you kinda just stop caring.
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>>267434662
jeanne's a filthy slut
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>>267449718
Well I already masturbate to Kojima as is so this is really an improvement.
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>>267425630
Just play video games. You will never enjoy anything in life because you complain about such nonsense.

Re-examine your priotities in life and you will see non of this actually affects anyone. You are being manipulated through anger
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>>267450460
>masturbating to kojima
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>>267451334
>Not masturbating to Kojima
Are you gay?
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>>267451592
>wanting to stick your dick in a 50 year old hag
Anonk, have some standards
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>>267451702
So you are actually gay
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>>267451856
yes
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