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Just curious

why do japanese devs like completely neglect the PC?

I mean when was the last time you saw a PC exclusive from Japan other than indie stuff or ugh those "Visual Novels"?
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It simply isn't popular over there. It's very slowly growing in popularity, but many of the PC games we enjoy (not counting VNs) aren't anywhere near as big or as liked in Japan.
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most japanese people live in studio apartments. not enough room for a desktop there
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PC never took off there because japan made their own non-MS-based computers. when they died, developers mostly moved to consoles.

they don't really make any PC-exclusive high budget games... but who does anymore? there's lots of strategy games and shit that are PC-exclusive, but they never get translated
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>>267320509
Because Japanese do not use PC much.
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>>267320806
non-IBM based computers*
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>>267320509
>Visual Novels

Why are they even considered as video games?

I know Im not to judge what a video game should be but

but it was almost no gameplay at all, the hint is in the name "Visual Novel" not a game its more like watching anime or reading a book

coughGoneHomecough
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They view the PC as a business device, and if you're playing games on it, a porn machine. There's a very small market for PC games in Japan, the exception being visual novels. In Japan PCs are boring boxes that people use at work, and that a few weird nerds obsess over at home.
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Because there is no money in making PC games for Japan. Japanese games just would not sell on PC, period, and even in the west PC players wouldn't buy them because most people don't play Japanese games that often have little to no marketing thrown at them, or that don't have a western appearance/style like Souls or MGS. Even Japanese developers like Falcom that were extremely dedicated to PC and developed exclusively for PC had to abandon it.
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>why do japanese devs like completely neglect the PC?
Nigga what?
They spit VN's out the ass for PC
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>Japan is mostly arcades and consoles

>from what I hear Korea however is mostly PC games, even though they are mostly F2P cash shop or MMORPG games and almost nobody owns a console

How can 2 counties that are pretty much neighbors be so different
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>>267320905
played a lot of porn games when I was in my teens. but then I found Utawarerumono, its a VN however its also a turn based strategy game, simple in execution, not as deep as Tactics Ogre or Final Fantasy Tactics but fun nonetheless.

holy shit the VN really made me feel for all the characters, to this day I still feel I grew a strong connection to all the characters in that VN, so even though it has little gameplay it convinced me that plenty VN's are games, most of us just dismissed them simply because we are unaware that alot of them also have gameplay.
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>>267320786
They aren't wrong.
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>>267320905

Because visual novel doesn't really mean anything.

It can be anything from Umineko which is like a billion hours long and don't have any kind of interaction at all until the very end (which isn't very much and it doesn't really do anything), to Rance, or other gameplay heavy VNs.
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>>267320509
They're warming up to it. A few big franchises coming to Steam:
Final Fantasy series
Resident Evil series
MGSV
Tekken 7
KoFXIII
The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky

Maybe it'll be a more viable platform them in a couple years, op. Then we won't have to bother with consoles at all barring Nintendo.
>tfw still no Dragon's Dogma: Dark Arisen
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>>267321204
And so damn xenophobic to each other, too. From what I've heard, Japanese and S.Koreans loathe each other
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>>267321204
South Korea had its technological boom later than japan so it is basically like 90s japan right now.
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>>267320786
>being xenophobic in video games

according to history and anthropology, if I remember correctly xenophobia is prevalent in island nations like Japan and such

but really, do they have to be like that when playing video games?

how xenophobic is Japan anyway,
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>>267321204
Koreans hate Japan. So they didn't buy their consoles.
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>>267321442
They're now warming up to it because its growing in japan, they're warming up to it because consoles are shrinking in japan while its still slowly growing in the west. The PC market is pretty big in NA and EU and thats a lot of extra money for them to make to cover up for the lagging sales in japan.

If square had charged $25 for the FF13 port and did a proper job with actual resolutions and replacement of textures with hi res ones, i guarantee you it would sell a lot better than releasing a lazy ass port for $15.
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>>267320509
because too many people steal shit on pcs and the japanese want to get paid and have it not stolen by neckbeards such as you op.

inb4
>stealing
>hurr durr if they just made better games it wouldnt happen

or anything else I havent thought up of yet.
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>>267320786
Do people really pay this much attention to what country their games come from? Why?
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>>267321442
This. But it is very important to support them with our money, probably the only chance they will give to the pc consumers.
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>>267321526
Well to be fair the japs fucked them over during one of the world wars and abducted hundreds of thousands of them as slaves and their refusal to leave Korea after the war cause the Korean War killing even more.
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>>267321547
but they are one of the main export countries of smart phones and their internet is one of the fastest in the world and such
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>>267320509
Its the natural course in Japan, they abandoned PC (Except for porn VNs), they are abandoning home consoles, then handhelds and i dunno after mobile.
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>>267321204
because they've spent the better part of humanity's history killing each other and never got over it

also japan got boosted by the US occupying it while South Korea got neglected by the US occupying it
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>>267321526
everyone in asia hates each other
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>>267321204
its a good thing. you dont want the koreans to get into a competitive game scene because they'll eventually dominate to the point where its just koreans vs koreans.
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>>267321621
very xenophobic
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>>267321817
post war south korea had a huge many year economic boon
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Japs are the biggest casuals in the world. They're all about mobile gaming now.
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>>267321841
same as europe. but the hate for each other has settled down for a bit because of all the 3rd world scum they let into their countries. so now the hate has been focused on them.
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>>267321918
but with inhumane working hours

taking that back i'm not sure why japan turned out to be more relevant on the world scene, maybe korea would have if they weren't fucked over by the split
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>>267320509
Maybe because they had PC-98 instead of PC.
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>>267321782
Yeah, that's what I meant by 90s japan.
In the 90s japan was the technological centre of the world, phones, robits, cars, whatever the best shit was in japan. Now South Korea has like all of the big phone companies, 2 of the 3 main display manufacturers and samsung is making a name for itself as a competent semiconductor firm as well.
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>>267320786
>Japan hates shitty casual shooters
>WOW FUCKING RACISTS HOW DARE THEY
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>>267321204
Doesn't matter, both those countries will be gone soon. Some of the lowest birth rates in the world and the highest rate of sudoku among developed nations.
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>>267321780
God fucking dammit man I'm having an aneurysm here because of the brutal slaughtering of history that just occured in this post.
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Many Japanese players don't care for PC games because the PC's in most houses are old as shit, huge as shit, cumbersome and weak, and used for work. Alternatively, trendier students and younger workers use laptops, which are still too weak for the thousands of hideously optimized PC titles from the west.

Consoles are the known game box. If you wanna play some games, you get a console. If you want temporary mindless entertainment on the go, grab that phone and download that casual game app.

Those hikki's who buy swathes of games are extremely varied also make high-tier rigs, but it's commonly seen as this "nerd" thing to do, considering you'll get nothing but VN's, Dating Sims (Also for fujoshi in many cases), doujin games, and horribly translated, horribly optimized Western games.
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>>267320509
You couldn't take two seconds to simply think and come to the conclusion that the PC gaming market isn't very big in Japan? No, you had to make a thread and be passive aggressive about it like a true mustard race.
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>>267322257
That's not the point, the point is every FPS to them is "shitty and casual" because of a few bad apples.
The genre that's immensily popular - easily the top three of videogame genres - in the west has completely no hold or ground in Japan. Was there even a single FPS made by a japanese company?
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>>267322418
>gone

At 75% of replacement, Japan's population should drop by about 30 million over the next century.

They'll probably loosen immigration restrictions before anything like that happens, though.
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>>267322553
Well there are a shitton of light gun games from japan, they're all technically fps.
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>>267321204
>>267321526
Korean guy here

yes, Koreans hate the japanese a lot

I mean fuck, they royally screwed us up in every sense of the world

and big issue lately is the top japanese politicians going to Yasukuni shinto shrine where all those japanese war criminals are buried, think of it if Germans going to graves of nazi war criminals and paying respects to them and such

but Wii and 3DS and such are selling better here

you guys would be interested that we in korea have these "PC arcade centers" which how I would translate it in English

"PC rooms" are pretty much where most people go and play games in korea

think of it as arcade places but all the machines are desktops like in the picture here

people here mostly play LoL or as you guessed, Starcraft

lately like me, people have discovered Steam and all those PC games other than your typical F2P MMO cash shop games so often I can find people using steam time to time
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>>267322553
Or, you know, FPS games don't have the same appeal in Japan as they do in the West. Different cultures can have different tastes, who knew?
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>>267322553
There have been a few. Mostly arcade games though
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>>267322553
FPS are generally mindless and flavorless, and in the West, it's rare you'll pick up an FPS that had a memorable, or even likable aesthetic. Most Japanese fans like recognition of characters, settings, and visuals. It's hard to tell CoD, Battlefield, CS, etc apart from one another.

Splatoon might change this, but it'd be a console Japanese FPS.
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>>267322676
What ever happened to Jaedong, anon? He was my hero, back when Broodwar was popular.
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>>267322790
Same thing with JRPGS. Someone not familiar with them would think they all look the same. All the characters look similar and have same hairstyles.
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>>267322790
Japs actually like CS
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>>267322676
>everybody playing lel

fucking gooks.
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>when was the last time you saw a PC exclusive from Japan

Sometime in the 80s when NEC, Sharp, and MSX were a thing, some of their stuff was put on Commodore. Koei, Square, Konami, Falcom and others did plenty of work for computers then the mid 90s happened. Sharp dropped from the PC market, NEC started fucking about with new PCs that had jack shit for GPU, MSX fell off the map, and Compaq invaded with their cheap business computers and Windows 95 that had standardized formatting for the japanese language.

Ever since then computers have been viewed as a salary man/secretary tool instead of a hobbyist thing. It's been getting a turn around in recent years and Koei and Falcom never really left PC but Falcom did make a statement that sales weren't the strongest for them and been were in a big decline at one point while Koei just got lazier with each release of Romance or Musou on top of keeping them in the Asia territory. It also didn't help that they were still sticking to pure physical and mail orders instead of looking at other distribution methods till recently. Another issue was that either a company wouldn't in the case of Koei or no one would approach Falcom for localizations of some games. There could also be some ignorance, arrogance, or hatred for the west that's just unspoken but who can say.
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>>267322859
starcraft is dead, all the popular pro gamers are from league of legends now.
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>>267322895
They make rpgs memorable by having crazy as shit plots.
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>>267322895
I...wasn't disagreeing? Japan isn't the only country with xenophobic blankey mindsets towards foreign games. America is especially retarded with how literally every Japanese game is considered bad until it has heavy advertisement behind it.
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>>267322790
Splatoon isn't an FPS.
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>>267322859
>>267322980
yeah, pretty much this

still SC2 is where most have transferred to now

>>267322951
yeah, well I dont play LoL

I wanted to try but a buddy of mine here said it will fuck up your life, so I didnt touch it
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>>267322895
> All the characters look similar and have same hairstyles.

This applies to Western games thousands of times over moreso than Japanese games.
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I think Japs see FPS games as more of an arcade thing. Half life and Counter Strike both of arcade adaptions and a lot of their light gun games play as faux VR FPS games . See
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKFQyUjb-Fw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAqCPdmILnc#t=11
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>>267322676
>All those fucking desktops

holy hell

how fucking huge would the electric bills be for those places
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>>267322676
How much is it to spend a day there? Or do they charge by the hour?

We had one of those in my town but it wasn't popular enough and so it had to close down. The people who ran it were way too generous. They had a snack bar and stuff but would give out free food and drinks to their workers and their friends if they showed up, and the prices to play on what was about fifty top tier rigs or any 7th gen console with a very large selection of games to choose from was just cheap as fuck.

Really sad they went out of business, but they weren't being Jewish enough to stay in business simple as that.
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>>267323286
>That gundam game
>Literally NEVER coming outside of Jap'n
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>>267323401
Yes, they charge it by the hour

it really depends on which area on how much they charge you for an hour

like where I live now is about 1 US dollars per hour that is kind of the average price

but in cheaper places its about half of that per hour

man, that is a real shame to hear that place shutting down
free snack bar was indeed really generous, even here they dont do that
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>>267323401
Lan centers/PC cafes don't really have a market in the west. It's not too expensive to build your own top tier rigs here.
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>>267322676
>Nazis were bad.
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>>267322676
Man thats what I miss most about Korea. Had so much fun in those when I was a kid and BW just came out. It was fucking magical
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>>267320509
But they're not. The PC doujin scene is huge. The only problem is most of the games don't get translated or get released outside of Japan. Other than VNs, 2hu, and other anime stuff most people outside of Japan don't know they exist, so demand for them is limited, and since demand is limited most devs don't even consider releasing in other regions. Which is a shame because of a lot of those games look really fun
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>>267323864
>implying killing 8 million jews isn't bad
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Talking about Korea

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CJoQOQHQ8oA

well north korea

all them birds man, all them birds and snow
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>>267324374
that's eight billion, you anti-semite
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>>267320509
Joe DiMaggio was the best Joker.
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>>267322676
so are you actually a savant in Starcraft?

do you still hate the japanese?
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>>267322676
Korea is cancerous to the gaming industry.
See: Nexon, NCSoft.
Aside from the best e-sports players, Korea contributed NOTHING good to gaming.
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>>267324489
Best Korea. They only tell us the truth
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>>267322418
as a white man of moderate looks, when I visited japan I had a lot of japanese girls all over me for some reason. do the men really there not like real women that much?
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>>267324607
hah

no, I get steamrolled in Starcraft whenever I play it friends, I suck shit at RTS in general

yes, shamefur dispray, all that

as for the japanese, should I still hate them? I mean its history and it happened 60 years before my time, and some japanese dudes i met before were pretty chill guys who liked to play video games with
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>>267324807
I think its more like fascination for people other than Japanese really
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>>267324807
Multiple reasons. For one you're foreign, and girls always dig foreigners.
Second you have a big dick. To them. Seriously, if one stereotype is true it's that Japanese men end up on the small side on average, so even if you aren't loaded you're probably above average.
Third girls doing things to piss off their parents is the second oldest tradition in history. Lots of older people in Japan are still quite xenophobic and pretty much all of them even if they don't hate foreigners don't want their daughters dating or marrying anyone who's not Japanese.
Fourthly, a lot of Japanese men are either uninterested in real women whether it's because they're married to their work or married to their body pillow.

So yeah, lots of reasons for that being the case.
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>>267325075
Pretty much. That's most of an Asian thing though, not just Japan
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>>267324620
I guess I have to agree about Nexon and NCsoft on being cancerous

shit, you thought EA was bad for all the shills and jewing?

those fuckers try to lure you in and make you buy overpowered items in real money and break balance all the time

for example, nexon made a deal with capcom somehow and made a Street fighter 4 game on android

but they dont give a rats ass about balancing, making people buy badges for characters to make them stronger and upgrade those badges to break balance even further

so more money you spend on it you win
Pay 2 win in every sense of the word

in fucking Street fighter 4, jesus christ
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>>267321413
Rance is not a VN. It's an rpg series
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>>267322418
ebola virus for earth when?
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>>267320509
Its a culture thing; Japan was and still is all about social connections; it's why games like monster hunter rely almost entirely on local party play.

PCs don't have the same kind of social connection for them and so they never really made the jump from handheld/consoles to the PC market.
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>>267320509
japs aren't too big on pc gaming, since pcs take up alot of space in their 1 room hovels

plus most jap associate PCs with western gaming and shooters

they also have awful taste in vidya hence why sony is dominating in hardware sales
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>>267326047
>Rance is not a VN
It is though.
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>>267327975
It's not. How is it a VN?

It's an rpg series that presents cut scenes in a similar manner to VNs and also has sex.
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>>267329319
So is a VN with RPG elements? Got it.
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>>267322525
>PC gaming market isn't very big in Japan?

And?
Console gaming isn't very big in Japan and that doesn't stop them.
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>>267322601
They already did.
With the Australian free trade agreement I can go over there and work without any extra documents.
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>>267329392
>rpg elements

You mean an rpg with minor things that it shares in common with VNs.

Have you only played Sengoku Rance?

Do you consider Kamidori a VN as well?
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Falcom was probably the last one. And they too fell into sony's claws.
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>>267329496
They're both VN though.
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>>267330257
How?

Both are mainly game play.
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pc master race is full of shit, and japan understands that.
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>>267330495
They're VN with gameplay, that's all.
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>>267320509
Speaking of jap games and PC, regardless of what I think about the game as a whole Dark Souls 2 is one of the few actually good jap PC ports I've played. Anyone have any non VN jap ports they've played that were good?
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Most PC games are English, and most Japanese gamers have bad Engrish as well, which is why they stick to VNs and eroge, since most of them are in Japanese.
Japs could play games like STALKER, Deus Ex, VtmB and whatnot, if they had a Japanese translation.
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