You have ten seconds to explain why this isn't the best

He cut my main.

but muh mewtwo

>>266260508
Sorry, but that arrow is for the single empty space on the stage select. DLC stages confirmed!

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>>266260508
Kill yourself. It's the most disproportionate roster yet.

>4 FE characters, 1 of which is a turbo-clone
>3 KI characters, 1 of which is a turbo-clone
>7 Mainline Mario characters, 1 of which is turbo-clone veteran nobody wanted to return
>cutting the well-implemented Brawl -semi-clones: Lucas and Wolf
>cutting Ice Climbers
>cutting Snake
>cutting all the Gen 1 starters
>No new Donkey Kong reps
>No new Metroid reps
>Ganondorf is still a clone even while Sakurai admitted to rebuilding each character from the ground up
>Bowser Jr. is the only new villain
And all the characters that were heavily requested are nowhere to be found: Mewtwo, Ridley, Dixie, Impa, Isaac, an AW rep, K. Rool, fucking nobody. Sakurai has acknowledged all these characters before and chose to leave us in the cold.

Say what you will about Brawl but it didn't have a single melee-tier clone, and the newcomers for that game were miles above this game. It gave us guys like Wario, DDD, Meta Knight, Diddy Kong, ZSS, Wolf, Charizard, Olimar, etc.Yeah the game was shit, but that batch of newcomers had SERIOUS star-power.

>>266262073
>aw
>heavily requested
opinion discarded you fag

>>266260678
The arrow and "page 2" markers were found for both the stages and the characters

>>266262073
Have you ever made a game?

Where the fuck did you get images that high quality?

This is the best roster. No matter what anyone says it is even way better than Project M. A few cut characters (Ice Climbers and Snake being the only important ones, but Snake is excusable), with a bunch of new very unique characters. There's also the lowest percentage of clones (not counting 64's 1 clone). Altogether it isn't perfect by any means, but it is definitely the best roster yet.

>>266262073
>much gen 1
Ruined the whole thing

I'd rather have the happening space from mario party than the dog. They both have the same amount of character.

>Cutting Ice Climbers and the only other Mother rep
>No new villains

Only really hype newcomers were Megaman, Little Mac, Shulk, Pac Man, and Villager

>>266260508
>link clone
>pit clone
>captain falcon clone
> marth clone
>mario clone
>fox clone
>characters removed because of 3dshit limitations
>no ice climbers
>best roster

it's not the worst roster, but it could have better

>>266262656
Plus Mii is three seperate movesets.

I guess that means 4 has 51 characters.

>>266260508
Seriously why are Dr. Mario and Dark Pit in this game?
Why.

>>266263083
Because Mewtwo was too much effort

>mfw Lucina has tipper move alts

Going by the characters themselves Brawl definitely has the best roster

Can't say much for how they play since I haven't played 4 yet

>>266260508

Project M

>>266263083
Dr. Mario has no FLUDD and is therefore better than Mario.

The roster is great. I'd love to finally have an rep for Advance Wars and cutting Ice Climbers hurt, but every character deserves it's place and is fun to play as.

>>266262740
Bowser Jr and Dark Pit

>>266263437
His Tornado and alts are shit.

High pressure Mario Fludd is the best fucking thing.

>10 Mario characters
>5 Zelda characters, but 2 and a half clones
>3 costumes got a character slot
>literally nobody wanted falco, olimar or bowser jr.

>>266262073
>Fucking Advanced Wars
>Heavily requested
You're a liar.

>>266262073

I agree with everything but the gen 1 starters.

>>266263437
Mario is objectively better due to all his buffs.

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Dark Pit.
Brawl had the best roster.

>>266260508
>You have ten seconds to explain why this isn't the best roster of any Smash game.
lucas aint there no more
but we was there before

games in succession
shouldn't reverse progression

It's obviously the best roster out of the 4 if you ignore when it came out. Though things change if you look at it in terms of release date and which sequel number each title is.

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>>266260508
>that DLC arrow added to that pic

>>266260605
im pretty sure your rabbi did that you faggit

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>people bithcing their asses off about the koopalings in Mario Kart 8
>people are hyped as fuck that they're in Sm4sh

Is it just bandwagon bullshit or is it just because they replaced muh dry bones?

>>266262298
No, they were only found for stages.
The character select screen has FOUR empty spaces, it doesn't need a second page.
We are only getting DLC stages.

>>266262915
Mii's awful though, but you're right.

In terms of Roster

Brawl>64>Melee>4

Smash bros 4 has way too many characters that nobody asked for.

>>266262073
>Impa
>heavily requested

>>266264040
Probably because they are alt costumes, not there own characters. I'd be fine with the roster if Dark Pit, Lucina, and Dr. Mario stayed as alt-costumes and we got Lucas, Ice-Climbers, and Wolf back instead.

>>266263437
Mario was buffed to be stronger then Melee Doc, and Doc is just Melee Doc. No improvements.

you guys do realise the roster is loved in japan.

>why isn't a japanned game by a japanese company, that is made in japan based on japanese characters appealing to us westerners?

>>266264097
Really, the Fighter and Gunner look pretty good.

Gunner is sort of similar to Snake in some moves too.

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>>266264184
>major Zelda character
>not heavily requested

>>266262073
>And all the characters that were heavily requested are nowhere to be found: Mewtwo, Ridley, Dixie, Impa, Isaac, an AW rep, K. Rool, fucking nobody.

Why the fuck are you bringing this up when the question is if it's the best roster out of the four games that are out? The only ground that statement holds is Mewtwo, because he's been in the series before.

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>>266264351
>Impa
>Major Zelda character

>>266264097
Miis as a character are awful, but the way they were implemented in Smash is great. If you don't like them, don't use them, but if you do like them then you have a lot of options.

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>>266264351
Impa was never highly requested you dong, it was either Skull Kid or Ghirahim when it comes to wanting Zelda newcomers. Impa was just expected.

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>>266264260
>sales outside of Japan don't matter because it's a Japanese game

>>266264184
Impa is easily the fourth most significant Zelda character. Link, Zelda, Ganon, then Impa. No one else besides the main three have been in as many games or served as major of a role as impa has. And she has more moveset potential than any other currently unused Zelda character.

>>266264656
see
>>266264581

I'm sure every post saying this is the worst roster conceivable can be summed up as
>Abloo bloo my favorite character didn't get in

Because, you know, if 100% of the roster doesn't appeal entirely to your own taste then its shit.

>>266264110
This person exists.

>>266262073
You should probably kill YOURSELF. These are the only arguments in every one of these fucking shitposting threads, and they're shit every time.

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>>266264184
She makes the most sense for a new Zelda rep and isn't just one of the Trinity reskinned so yeah, she's up there. HW only upped her popularity.

>>266264747
I know she wasn't the most highly requested, but she would have been a much better newcomer than Skullkid or Ghirahim.

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>Glorious Samus with Prime 2 light Suit.
>Glorious Zero Samus almost naked.

I'm full in.

>>266260508
project m

>>266264110
>64 > anything

b8

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>no, Project M doesn't count

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>>266260508
>Dr. Mario, Dark Pit, and Lucina aren't grouped with their franchises
MY AUTISM

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>>266260508
Project M

>>266264753
>Because, you know, if 100% of the roster doesn't appeal entirely to your own taste then its shit.
you just described how an opinion works ya dingus

>you have to like something that doesn't appeal to you

>>266262073
>Lucas
>well implemented
He was just a shit tier Ness.

>>266265245
We're talking about a roster of almost 50 characters, and people getting their panties in a twist over a handful of them.

Opinion or otherwise, that's petty.

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>>266264110
so tell me, how can the roster of 64 be better than the others' if the characters of 64 are in every other iteration plus more characters?

>>266260508
No game's roster will EVER be as hype as Brawl's.

>Kept you waiting, huh!
>Sorry to keep you waiting!
>RED
>I FIGHT FOR MY FRIENDS

The game was ass, but there's a reason why it was one of, if not THE most hyped game of all time.

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Obviously it's the best roster. That should be obvious and it isn't that good of a point in the game's favor because it had the previous rosters to easily build on. But in the context of being the fourth game in the series the roster has plenty of disappointments and Brawl's roster was less disappointing for its time. The only major bad thing about Brawl's roster was Mewtwo being cut, and at least it went in the direction of decloning clones into semi-clones. There's no reason Mewtwo shouldn't be back in, there's no reason Ridley shouldn't be in, and there's definitely no reason DK shouldn't have a third character given its popularity and success. Dark Pit is shit. I don't care how little time it took to make him; he wasn't even worth that. If you're going to make clones at least make them clones of characters I'd actually give a shit about instead of a palette swap.

Fortunately they can do DLC now and there can be more additions in the future.

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>>266265008
I know that feel.

>>266265376
It's relative. The roster of 64 works so well because all of the essential Nintendo franchises are represented and there's no filler. The closest the game comes to having a clone is Luigi, but other than that, everyone is vastly different from one another. Compare the others that have many filler clone characters.

>>266264474
>what is missed potential

>>266264646
Do you know what happens when a game that sells great in japan doesn't sell great outside of japan?
Its sequel just doesn't get localized instead.
Japan has priority for Nintendo.

>>266260508
>You have ten seconds to explain why this isn't the best roster of any Smash game.
Snake is not in it

>>266265594
oh i get it, you're an autist

if you want to talk shit then go ahead and do that, preferably elsewhere,

but if you're going to make a tier list of rosters, and then besmirch it with your misplaced sense of "what is good, and not"
then you can fuck the hell right off.

its the american way

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>>266265532
>that Snake reveal
Nothing will top it, not even the Megaman reveal even though it's also up there as one of the best reveals.

>>266265008
>The gradients are all over the place with no discernible pattern

No, MY autism.

>>266265789
Nigga, I wasn't even the one who made the tier list. I was just relaying my own opinions.

>>266264772
>and isn't just one of the Trinity reskinned.

No, THAT'S the zelda rep that has priority, reskins of the trinity.
Expect Tetra next time.

>>266265851
>my own opinions
exactly you shitter

>>266262073
>Ganondorf
>still a clone

Yeah no. He was barely even a clone in Melee.

>>266260508
Can't any games just keep their old rosters anymore? What would be so difficult about keeping melees roster in brawl and adding new characters, and then for kerfuffle just take that roster and add more characters? Is there any reason other than laziness to cut characters? Wouldn't it be a better advertisement for your systems hardware (Wii u) if you had every previous character from every smash game plus new ones?

>>266265986
wasn't gabon confirmed for having ssbb falcons move set?

>>266265008

This shit and Yoshi is why I didn't believe it at first and why I'm still angry.

>>266266038
>see: "innovation"

It's pretty good. Only shit picks are Bowser jr, le naruto frog and Lucina.

Dark Pit doesn't count since it likely took them a grand total of a single work day to put him in.

>>266265701
Do you know what happens when a game that appeals to both the east and west appeals to both the east and the west?
They make even more money.

>>266266038
Most fighting games do it so the old games don't become obsolete. By rotating the roster rather than updating it they can keep track of balance more easily and helps in not cheapening the franchise in general.

>>266266253
okay, now try making a game that appeals to both the western and japanese market.

>its so easy, we just fucking add x and y together and double the demographic

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>>266265986
Dude, you can't be serious. Slower Falcon moveset with some bells and whistles thrown in does not an original moveset make. Only TL, Lucina and Dark Pit, who are basically carbon copies of their originators, are worse.

>>266262073
>ALL of the Gen 1 starters

Damn nigga half the reps are still G1.

No Snake.

But it's quite a close second.

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>>266262073
>wolf
>ZSS
>SERIOUS star-power

>>266260508
>Project M doesn't count
Why? Buttmad because it's objectively better in every conceivable way?

>>266264054
>Only DLC Stages
Haha keep fooling yourself autist

>>266266769
this man gets it

Also castlevania rep would've been nice as well (not to mention cutting ice climbers), but both of these series are dead

>>266264054
Seperate arrow buttons were found for both the Character Select and Stage Select screens.
Stop being retarded.

>>266267057
I mean...it's not an official smash game. It's a mod.

No Snake.
/thread

>>266267262
> People are so delusional that they STILL believe there will be character DLC

There will be no character DLC. This is the final roster, and nothing about it will change. Ridley is never going to be playable ever, Mewtwo will never strike back, Ice Climbers are frozen solid, Wolf's playtime is over, Lucas is dead, and Snake lost his once in a life time chance. Dark Pit made it in over them, and there is nothing you can do about that. The moment you saw the ESRB leak, you knew it had to be over. Consider this: hope, is useless. The faster you learn to stop hoping for things, the better you will live your life. If you simply hope for money to fill your wallet, it will never happen. But if you actually work towards filling your wallet, it might. To apply this here: Hope all you want about the fate of this game and who gets in. But it will have no use, because at the end of the day, this is Sakurai's game. Whatever he wills, you will have to either accept or deny.

The arrows from the datamine, and the Ice Climber audience cheers, are simply leftover pieces of data that did not make it into the final release, and never will. Consider this: The earlier builds had the names of the characters underneath their icons. Now, they do not. With the names, that would have taken up more space, and thus, they could have made a second page to fit the rest of the characters. Since they eschewed the names all together, they had no need for the arrows anymore. As for the Ice Climbers, it is possible that the pair could have been playable in development, but due to the limitations of the hardware, they were cut. The audience cheers are just a remnant of what could have been included in the game, but ultimately, did not make it in.

Give up hope. There WILL be no character DLC. Ignoring this only proves your denial further.

>>266267057
No, because it's fanfiction.

>>266267498
fuck off back to /ssbg/

>>266267659
Ignoring this only proves your denial further.

DUCK HUNT DUO is the greatest character.

>>266267498
Delicious pasta.

>>266260508

Why the fuck is Falco still around, honestly.

He's hardly important to the plot of any of the Star Fox games, and he's way more of a clone than Wolf.

Does anyone even like him? Or did he only become 'popular' because he was a viable alternative to Fox in Melee?

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>>266265554
>there's no reason Ridley shouldn't be in,

There's a reason. It rhymes with "doo jig"

>>266267810
Jew pig? I don't see what Sakurai has to do with this.

7 more hours to eshp release?

>>266267417
>People still surprised that a guest character didn't make it back.

>>266267498
You are a sad, sad little man.

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>>266267057
As far as actual character selection goes (which this thead is mainly about), the only thing PM has over Smash 4 is is the missing veterans.

As far as newcomers go, if all those rumored PM characters are real (Isaac, Lyn, Sami, Skull Kid and Knuckles lmao) then nah, Smash 4 blows it out of the water.

>>266265884
I don't know man, she's losing relevance with each passing gen. The most exposure she's gotten as of late was in a commercial, and that was her Zelda form. I'd rather Vaati if a second Toon Zelda style character were to get in, or fuck make Toon Link not a clone cause there's no reason for him to be since you could fix up a creative moveset for him with Windwaker alone for reference.

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>>266260508
>DLC arrow
>MFW hope for 9-volt isn't diminished.
>MFW hope for him being in the game is amplified after the "Mom Walks In" stage.

Pic oh so related.

>>266267962
no its jew nip, sakurai

>>266266636
>does not an original moveset make
bist du deutschlander?

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>>266267962
"Too big", mate. As in Sakurai doesn't see Ridley as a plausible or viable choice.

The person I was responding to (unless it was you) was saying "Gah, there's no reason Ridley should of been excluded!" when it's quite obvious that there's a reason: Sakurai doesn't think it's appropriate for him to be that smaller.

And for good reason. Ridley is 99% consistently larger than Samus in just about every game he's been instead for the outdated NES game (retconned by Zero Mission where he's big). The point of that chart I made, by the way, was to show you can't use Olimar or Kirby as a comparison. Dedede is a big bigger than Kirby, and in Smash, that's still the case, despite them both supposedly being smaller than most characters, going by canon. Same thing with Olimar. He's supposed to be the size of a quarter, sure, but in the context of the Pikmin games he's the normal sized, playable character, whilst bulborbs and such share the same role as Ridley (ie giant bosses). In other words, a bulborb and Olimar are small, yes, but the bulborb still towers over him, and even when they're scaled up in Smash, this is still the case.

>>266268038
>>266268734
fuck off

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>>266267498
>Sakurai directly states that if he thinks of something he would like in the game, he would add it as DLC.

My money is ready anyway. Do your worst Sakurai, and I'll do mine!

>>266268697
"Does not a x make" is an acceptable English phrase.

I don't get it either, but it's used frequently.

>>266268734
Now THIS is autism

>>266267810
>>266268734
He isn't too big. Ganondorf is already scaled down from how large he was in TP. And with his Other M design looks fine proportionally with Samus when scaled down to around Bowser's size. On top of that we know that Ridley is already a manlet based on the shadow we saw from the direct. It doesn't fucking matter at all.

>>266268906
that is not true

"more anime characters does not a good smash make"

if you think that is proper english you're probably american.

>>266269162
ganon is helluva alot more humanoid than ridley

also

>wanting other m ridley

>>266269257
I feel like english is your second language, and any sentence that doesn't look right to you is automatically improper.

>>266269417
no, i don't see why you'd think that.

Brawl had the best roster because it had the most characters with little bias. Smash 4 has overall more characters but also a lot more Sakurai/Japanese favoritism over other regions.

Project M with the 5 unadded characters is EASILY superior to 4's roster.

The gist of these newcomers, not counting the 3rd party and Retro duos, are SUPER SUPER recent fad characters, or non-iconic B-listers.

>>266269646
>bias
>Sakurai/Japanese favoritism

Oh fuck off, you're just projecting. You don't know the rationale behind the character inclusion.

>>266260508
Dark Pit
64

>>266269737
>Project M with the 5 unadded characters is EASILY superior to 4's roster.
I wouldn't say that. Though Isaac would be more hype than most of the Smash 4 newcomers.

>in 2 years tops all the kiddies will have moved on and no one will care about these shitty character

if someone told me he prefers brawl because its the only one where he can play as snake, i wouldn't bat an eye

the same isn't true for mii fighters

>>266260508
>No DK newcomers (or content to speak of)
>Dark Pit
>Lucina
>People are OK with this

How do you people have such a high tolerance to shit?

>>266265662
>missed potential
almost every game ever.

Too many "literally who"s/anime swordsmen, lots of good characters removed. Still an alright roster but not what it should've been. Brawl's was better.

>>266270040
Please don't tell me you're saying the roster isn't biased as fuck. Please don't be this braindead.

>>266269257
Listen here you degenerate. It's English from a different era. If you think people spoke English the same way in the past as they do the present than you need to go back to middle school.

People didn't say "Hey yo, that shit is tight" in the 1940s.

The guy you're responding to is right. You're wrong.

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>>266269737
>or non-iconic B-listers.

So Lyn, Isaac, Sami, and Skull Kid then.

I don't agree with everything Sakurai does, but sometimes I wonder if people just praise PM just because it's PM, and shit on Sakurai just because he's Sakurai.

>>266270294
Because there are three Kid Icarus reps? Brawl had three Kirby reps.

>>266270271
This. Only valid post regarding the roster.

Do we know who the secret characters are yet or are there none?

>>266270423
Kirby also has 5 times as many games as KI

Because Zelda and Sheik have been separated and that's bullshit. I want to be able to switch between them during a match like I used to.

>>266270472
Lucy
Doc
Falco
Jiggly
Ganon
DHD
Wario
Bowser Jr.
G&W
R.O.B
Pittoo
Ness

>>266270147
Yeah, this anon gets it. Aside from the 3rd party reps, Mac and to an extent Shulk (leak lessened this) there have been very few hype generating characters. I've grown to love Wii Fit and Robin's great, but the rest feel kind of tertiary and unimportant in the long run.

>>266270419
>the physical Majoras Mask isn't iconic
>The player character of a game is a B-lister

>>266270319
>you're wrong for not speaking today as people did in the 1400's

was lit 101 fun today?

>>266270147
I get what you're saying but the same isn't true for Lucas or Wolf either.

Megaman and Pacman, and Duck Hunt dog to some extent, are pretty special, despite how well they play.

>>266270817
>skull kid is the villain of like one game from years ago
>golden sun and advance wars aren't anywhere near as important as people think they are

>>266270919
Not him but there's nothing wrong with the phrase, "More X does not a good Y make". You just don't understand English very well.

>>266270443
No need to quote yourself.

But yes, Brawl's roster was a little bit better, but as long as 4 is the better game, it'll win favor.

>>266265008
>Shulk is in a row by himself with the third parties despite the fact that Nintendo owns him just as much as they do Kirby and Pikachu
>Yoshi is in the middle of the Mario characters
>Clones get their own corner and aren't with their series
>A bunch of ugly empty gray space for no reason whatsoever on the character select screen

SAKURAAAAAAAAAAI

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>Dr. Mario
>dark pit

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>>266262073
>I love FE
>I love KI
>I love Mario
>Lucas and Wolf were shit
>Ice Climbers were shit and I never played them
>I played snake once and I hated him
>who cares about the Gen 1 starters
>I'm fine with DK and Diddy
>I'm happy with Metroid reps
>Ganondorf thing is shitty
>Bowser Jr being a new villain is awesome stop complaining that you didn't get more

Good thing all my heavily requested characters made the cut except for Skull Kid.

Well, you're always going to anger some people right. You can't please everybody.

I guess I'm in the minority but I'm going to miss Pokemon trainer, a lot.

Even though it was clunky, I enjoyed switching between the playstyles on the fly.

Most of all I'm going to miss Ivysaur. Bulbasaur is my favorite pokemon ever and it was pretty special to play as his evolution. Squirtle as well to some extent.

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>>266271243
>Using subjective opinions to justify a shit roster

>>266270472
We wont know if there's more than what the 3ds version has until we see if the Wii U version gets more characters to help hype its release that you can transfer to the 3ds.

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>>266267417
snake... had a hard life...

;_;7

>>266271350
The roster being shit is equally subjective, Sherlock. Think before you post.

>>266260508
Well it has the most obviously, but it takes a hit by missing snake, lucas, wolf, mewtwo, and ice climbers. It has a few really good additions but it's clones are the worst out of any game. I'd say brawl is the best even if its the worst smash gameplay wise

What I don't like is the lack of actual "Nintendo allstars"

Like, Brawl added super well known and important characters like DeDeDe, Diddy Kong, Olimar, Wario, ect.

Non of these characters were from some super duper recent game, except maybe Lucario.

They were all very well established Nintendo characters that where also super reconisable.

>>266271204
I still feel there's characters they have held back that once added to the css will make it reorganize to look right.

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>>266271350
Anon brace yourself but I don't think you understand the difference between subjective and objective.

For starters, can you define what an opinion is? We'll take this slow, for you.

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>>266271504
What I wished people would realize is that there's no real big, important character to add like Wario and Dedede.

And quite frankly, characters like K. Rool (currently) and Isaac aren't as big as people claim they are.

>>266268003
Sonic came back and nobody even liked him in the last game

>>266267498
>and the Ice Climber audience cheers

This is hilarious. Nice work Sakurai, really just salt on the wound for people I'm sure.

>>266271504
There are a finite amount of "allstars" left until you get to the point where it gets arguable.

I would consider Toad an allstar.

I would not consider Daisy Kong an allstar, nor would I K.Rool.

>>266271204
>Yoshi is in the middle of the Mario characters

It's almost like he's a Mario character.

>>266271706
Since when has importance mattered in Smash, Sir Fucknut Shitpostington III? If K. Rool, Mewtwo, and the other one would make fans happy, why not add them?

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If you think any of these characters should be in smash for any reason then you are pure cancer

>>266271753
That's because he not only plays like ass, but was boring to boot.

At least Megaman is fun to play, even though he's on the bottom rung of the tiers.

>>266271883
The only one you're right about is edgepit

>>266271883
>toon link shit
>rosalina shit
>pac doesn't belong

wow you sure are b8ing pretty hard there m8

little mac is the only new character I give a shit about

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>>266271434
Have fun with Dark Pit and Lucina. You will, because you eat anything Sakurai shits out.

>they didn't keep Squirtle and Ivysaur in

I get that Charizard is the posterchild but goddamn, their movesets were already there, come on.

>>266271883
I'll give you all of those except toon link and greninja

>>266260508
>has game and watch
>has falco
>has captain falcon
it has the characters i main so it's gud

>>266271992
Toonlink would be fine if they actually made him different.

Lightning has no reason to be in other than being a lightning

Pacman has nothing to do with nintendo

No bait here

>>266272030
I never said I thought the roster was good, you colossal moron.

>>266271836
>Daisy Kong an allstar, nor would I K.Rool.

Would you consider Dark Pit an allstar? Think before you shitpost.

>>266263642
>nobody wanted Falco, a fan favorite from Melee
>nobody wanted Olimar, one of the most well-received characters from brawl

>>266271883
>Lucario and Greninja

there are over 700 pokemon

I'm sorry if your favorite out of those 700+ didn't make it, but it had to be something

>>266271992
Smash fags tend to be pretty mad about Rosalina. Don't fucking know why though, she fits just fine.

>>266271706
They have plenty of Dedede/Wario level characters.

Fuck, a perfect one for this game would've been Cranky Kong. He's had a recent game, and has a pretty good history. Not to mention how original he would been.

>first staff user
>first old person character
>people have been saying how lacking this game is in DK content

And I just got that off the top of my head.

>>266272226
Pikachu, jigglypuff, charizard, and mewtwo should be the only pokemon

>>266272182
What the fuck are you going on about? Did I mention Dark Pit at all? Why are you begging to start an argument when there isn't one?

>>266271850
In the Smash series, he's always been his own representative though. He's got his own emblem and his own victory theme. He's there to represent the Yoshi games, not the Mario ones.

>>266272324
>muh genwun!
Fuck off.

>>266272361
>he's always been his own representative though

And now he's not.

>>266272182
>mwwahhhh he didn't complain about the things I don't like so he must like them

that isn't what he said at all though

are you retarded

>>266271869
I have no problem with Mewtwo and I think he should of come back. K. Rool's problem is that he hasn't been the villain of any important DK game in awhile. Have Retro put him in their next Expand Dong title and then we'll talk.

I'd say importance has mattered to a degree, when it comes to including new series at the very least. Sakurai tends to avoid choosing the C-to-D tier second party developed series like Custom Robo and what not and goes more the more notable and iconic series like Punch-Out!! and Duck Hunt. Even the seemingly most minor IPs in Smash serve a purpose (Ice Climbers, for example, were chosen by Sakurai himself to represent the one off NES "Action Series" games that predated Super Mario Bros).

>>266262073
charizard isnt gen 1 anymore or something?

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>this whole thread

>DARK PIT LUCINA DARK PIT LUCINA DARK PIT LUCINA DARK PIT LUCINA LITERALLY WHO AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH

I can only hope that these autists are turned away from buying the game.

>>266272324
Jigglypuff and Charizard are boring as shit and should have been marked off the roster by now

Lucario deserves a spot over Mewtwo

eat shit

Melee had objectively the shittiest overall newcomers of every Smash game.

>>266272534
>You're not allowed to criticize the roster!
You can't be serious.

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>>266272148
>Backpedalling

You clearly fucking stated you were satisfied by the roster, so evidently you'd eat Sakurai's shit if he asked you to, just like all of his other mindless drones on /v/.

>>266272361
Yoshi is about as much his own rep as Luigi is

i never hear anyone complain about sheik. it's complete bullshit she is still in.

>>266272660
>You clearly fucking stated you were satisfied by the roster
Nope, I've only responded to you twice, now three times. Remain upset about Smash 4's success though.

>>266272553
>uniquely shaped battle monsters are bad!
>I want more blue humanoid martial artists!

>>266272553
>Pokemons lightning

Eat shit with your forced popularity character furfag

>>266272553
>Lucario deserves a spot over Mewtwo

So you're not actually a fan of Pokemon, huh?

Lucario is the fucking worst. He's been thrown around everywhere since gen 4. The only people who like him are furfags, autists, and edgy kiddies who legitimately thought his mega looked cool.

I don't even particularly like Mewtwo either. Lucario just a shit.

>>266262073
>>cutting all the Gen 1 starters
When did they cut charizard?

>>266272816

Nah, Sheik as her own character is okay. We're basically just having two Zeldas like we have two Links, except they actually play different from each other.
Having Twilight Princess Zelda turn into a disguise OoT Zelda used was much dumber.

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>>266272120
>Lightning has no reason to be in other than being a lightning

Or to represent Nintendo's most critically acclaimed games ever.

>>266272657
A magical amount of intentionally missing the point, too.

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It does have the best roster, but it could be a lot better if it weren't for the stupid decisions it also has.

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>>266272839

I'm not a fan of playable Pokémon because they're just like random koopas and goombas to me and the pokeball item already exists.

But I like Greninja because he fills the ninja niche that fits well into Smash. (No, Sheik isn't a ninja, just a general assassin type)

>>266273018
Isn't mario already doing that you gayfag?

>>266273120
What's your point? People have opinion you don't so they are autistic and you hope they don't buy the game?

Excelsior tale, Tolstoy.

>>266272839
>uniquely shaped
>a kirby clone and a dragon

brah

>>266273120
Not him, but what is the point? You don't like that he's complaining about terrible decisions? Did you expect something else on the most bitter website on earth?

>>266265245
>You have to get your way 100% to have something appeal to you

>>266260508
Whats wrong with the roster well lets look

> Diddy Kong (personal choice I hate the little fuck)
>Bowser Jr. AND WARRIOR RIGHT NEXT DOOR They are most likely both going to be rather slow but heavy hitters, not as slow as bowser and DK but not as strong just another reskin and a mario one at that.
>Zelda and Shiek, separate looks like Im never choosing her again.
>Samus and nude Samus, separate uhm why?
>Marth and Chrom? Drop Marth he's had his time in the sun and chrom is only slightly different which will be made up for with Robin
>Lucario, still? Why?
>Jigglypuff, I know its grandfathered in but if Im picking a perfect roster im not adding in anything that had no competitive potential.
>Dr. Mario Should have been an alternate skin to mario
>If thats dark pitt just give give pit a weapon set switch drop the new character
>Lucindia, in the same game with marth chrom and robin? Drop Marth and Lucindia.
>Dont know blonde guy
>PacMan no thanks sounds as bad as sanic was.
>Sonic fuck him, he runs around the field and annoys the piss out of me.
>Mii fighters, because pushing Wii's is fun!

I like melee but that's the last one I still have after I got burglarized.

>>266273396
It's not a matter of complaining about poor decisions, but fixating on one that is really, really, REALLY minor and stomping their feet like it's the end of the world.

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>there will never be a roster this good

>>266273280
well, rosalina's moveset is inspired by various mario galaxy mechanics (luma partner, star bits, the cursor, launch star) and her victory theme is taken from galaxy's title screen, and her trailer had gusty garden playing as like her motif. mario doesn't have any of that.

you tell me.

>>266272553
I don't mind that you shit on Mewtwo, even though his exclusion in this entry was my biggest disappointment with it. I don't mind that you're defending Lucario, even if he is one of the lamest Pokemon, since they are trying to make him important. But where the fuck do you get off pissing on a god damn fire dragon? Charizard is a badass and he will never stop being a badass.

>>266273750
I'm gonna tell you that she's another forced popularity character that has no business taking her own slot. She'd be a fine assist trophy. And no, I don't want waluigi or daisy in her place. Mario has enough fucking reps. Paper mario wouldn't be terrible though

>>266273681
>Drop Marth
He's the most important FE rep. Won't happen.
>Jigglypuff
>no competitive potential
Why is jiggs S tier in Melee then?

>>266273787
>Charizard is a badass and he will never stop being a badass

>still loses 50% of his health to an entry hazard

>wasn't even a dragon until his shitty, forced megas

>>266273714
>Anna
Waifufaggotry has no place in Smash
>Mike Jones
Who?

>>266273713
How the fuck is it that the two cloniest of any of the series' clones, one of whom deserves a spot less than even fucking Daisy, NOT a good thing to complain about?

>>266271883
>People still dont get why Doc Mario is in.

God you people are fucking retarded.
He's in so you can play as the old mario moveset, and the new mario moveset.

Also, Dr Mario is bigger than mario in the pro scene, so he is trying to make everyone happy.

>>266273161
Shiek is so a ninja

Greninja frustrates me because Pokemon is like the ONE Nintendo franchise where Sakurai can easily get a super creatively shaped character.

Instead, he picked the one, ONE Pokemon that most resembled Lucario, and brought NOTHING new to smash, concept wise.

>we've already had a starter
>we've already had a water starter
>we've already had a third form starter
>we've already had a frog based starter
>we've already had a blue humanoid martial artist
>we've already had a ninja character
>hell, we've even already had tounge based attacks.

You know what we haven't had? A wrestler character OR a bird character

>Rosalina
Why?
>Diddy Kong
He doesn't feel enough like snes diddy kong. he's all N64. DKC > other donkey kong games
>sheik and zelda separate
>samus and zero suit samus separate
>no more pokemon trainer
why? for balance? no, because 3DS can't fucking handle it
>no ice climbers
because 3DS can't fucking handle it
>worst version of ganondorf
>pit clone
>5 pokemon reps and none of them are mewtwo
>duck hunt dog
nobody wanted this
>pacman
nobody wanted this
>mii
fuck off
>sonic stays, snake goes
>no attempt to unclone clones
>dr mario back for no fucking reason at all

>>266273681
>Getting rid of Diddy and Sanic

Yeah nah your a cunt.

>>266273950
She had the throwing move which was almost always a OHKO.
But unless you're gullible you wont fall for that more than once.

>>266274105
Well, we can tell who you wanted from Gen 6.

>>266274061
Anna has been in every single fire emblem game, she's the series mascot.

>>266274037
Would you like to explain to me why I give a shit about the technical stats of a Pokemon when referring to how badass they are?

>>266274104
Nah fuck that, you could have just made the old move set with custom moves. Regular mario is better than Doc now anyway

>>266274061
>>Mike Jones
>Who?
lel

>>266273713
>characters in a game you play
>really really minor

>>266274236
You know what's funny? I fucking despise Gen 6, and think everything about it is ugly as shit.

But that wrestler bird would've been a completely original and refreshing as Fuck

>>266274571
I feel the same way. Playing greninja is almost exactly like shiek too

>>266274265
Regigigas is a real badass too.

Why don't you pick him up some time?

>>266274470
>2 characters

>out of like 50

Yeah, it's fucking minor.

>>266271428
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_CbFAZ2ztlE
;_;7

>>266274881
No it's not minor. Not everyone has to love every addition t the roster.

Once again, you're all bent out of shape people have an opinion you don't. I hope YOU don't buy Smash, because you're an ignorant toolbag. But I'm sure you will, Sakurai cocksucker.

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>>266273714
>diddy+dixie

>>266274881
If the same people complain about the whole roster you'd be just as mad about it. You can't handle people voicing concerns about your precious little game because you're a 10 year old child.
Grow the fuck up, no one is "running around stomping their feet like it's the end of the world" except you.

>>266274061
>Rosalina
>Lucina
>Palutana

And yet, here we are.

>>266274881
Nigga that's arbitrary as hell. Where do you draw the line that says it's okay to criticize the roster? Three clones? Five? Ten? Twenty?

If nobody complains then they're going to keep doing it.

I think it is a very good roster, my only problems are

>No Mewtwo
>No Ridley
>No 3rd DK rep

>>266275292
Clones don't take much effort to add.

>>266275292
You draw the line at when he personally decides people are complaining about little things.

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>ganondorf will never be in smash because it was decided he should be a clone two games ago

>>266275280
Isn't Anna literally just some nobody waifubait like 80% of the Awakening cast? At least those three you listed actually do shit in the story of their games.

>>266275519
see
>>266274238

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>>266272553
>Jigglypuff and Charizard are boring as shit

I'll give you Jigglypuff, a lazy re-implementation of kirby assets onto a forgettable character that clearly overstayed her welcome. But Charizard is, barring Pikachu, the best Gen 1 Rep i can think of: Recognizable, Loved and with a Fighter build and shape that isn't seen often in Smash.

Most of my favorite pokemon are from recent gens and i can safely tell you that Lucario a shit.

>U onle haet him cus hes pop-

I like Charizard, one of the most normalfag pokemon in the world, a pokemon that actually got big without a "proper" push. The GF Charizard dick-sucking started in gen VI, they didn't care as much for him before. Lucario is right besides Blaziken as a forgettable pokemon that Sugimori just wouldn't let go unnoticed because he designed it. It is pure eye-cancer.

Greninja i'm ok with because it is a genuine case of Charizard 2.0: No official GameFreak push, yet became the second most popular starter of all time. I'm glad Sakurai and his team actually had the chance to choose the pokemon they liked best instead of being FORCED to implement Ken's shiny new Fucktoy.

A good balanced pokemon roster would consist of

Pikachu and Charizard for Gen I Reps. Arguably Mewtwo could fit, but i believe Gen I would already be oversaturated.

A middleground Gen III rep, whether it's Gardevoir, Blaziken or Hopefully Sableye, it'd be a nice way to promote ORAS too.

And Greninja for New gen rep.

There; 4-5 pokemon that balance out the fact that there's more than just 1 generation.

SO QUESTION
can you only make one Mii fighter per style or however many your want?
cause i want to know if i scanned the Aquabats for nothing?

>>266275625
>But Charizard is, barring Pikachu, the best Gen 1 Rep i can think of
>not mewtwo

>>266275734
It's not about gens, Pikachu, Charizard, and mewtwo (jigglepuff is a staple and needs to stay) have been consistantly popular since the beginning

>>266264656
>then impa
nigga, when i think of the first 4 zelda characters, it's Link, Zelda, Ganon, and then FUCKING TINGLE
there's no need for another rep, we have the full goddamn triforce now

>>266274105
We already had a fighting type
We already had a flying type
>But we already had a water type too
Too bad, he was cut.

>3 games with ganondorf, one of the most iconic villains in gaming history
>still a copy of a moveset that was purely made up for a worthless unimportant character

It's insulting honestly. I don't even want him to use his sword because it isn't WW dorf, but goddamn I'm sick of him being a copy of Falcon. Seriously. I'm SICK of that shit.

He could have so many unique moves to him.

>>266260508
I'd say Melee had the best roster if Brawl's newcomers weren't so great.

If Brawl kept Mewtwo instead of bringing in Lucario, Brawl would have the best roster.

4's got some excellent newcomers, but some really stupid ones, too. The entire top row is Mario characters, Dark Pit and Dr. Mario are ridiculous when they're bringing in alt-skin characters. Greninja is random, and Lucas shouldn't have been cut.

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>>266274105
>we've already had a frog based starter
Who?

>>266276067
ivysuar

>>266275951
Good thing is his alternate side and Down specials really work well for a Wizard character.

>>266275914
>jigglepuff is a staple and needs to stay

What a damn stupid argument.

>Damn HDTV's! What we really should get are Analog B&W tv's! They were the forefathers so they don't deserve to go.

Jigglypuff was lazy shit since its inception. It needs to go.

>>266276115
Ivysaur is nothing even remotely close to a frog

>>266267057
following that logic, project M pales in comparison to MUGEN

>>266276046
Greninja isn't random. He's the most popular 6th gen starter by far. Hell, he might even be the most popular 6th gen Pokemon, period. Can't think of any other that comes close.

>>266276338
Probably fucking Froakie.

>>266276159
If you knew fucking anything you'd know that jigglypuff was one of the most popular pokemon, she was as big as pikachu and was considered a mascot for pokemon. Your comparison is retarded and she's one of the originals so she's not going anywhere whether you like it or not

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>>266260508
> People actually hated Lucas
Damn he was my main and he got cut. I really enjoyed playing as him he was so much more fun to use than anyone else

>>266276426
Obviously, cheeky cunt.

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>>266275951
>there will never be an OoT ganondorf in smash who actually behaves like the real thing

>>266276243
I wasn't that guy i'm just explaining what he thought. he's more a toad though

>>266276452
he was just a shittier ness.

>>266276320
b-but that doesn't count!

Dark Pit

>>266262073
Are you fucking implying that this roster has no star power? Are you fucking retarded dude?

>>266276542
implying

>>266262073
I am glad wolf got cut, he was a shitty character. Smash is just fine with 2 fox reps. Also Lucas was dumb. Mother was never a popular series in america anyway.

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I wonder what the roster would look like if /v/ tried to make their own Smash Bros.

>>266276734
>I am glad wolf got cut, I was bad at using him.
ftfy

>>266276734
Falco should have went to Wolf, as he had his own standard moves, versus Falco's four different standards.

>>266276338
But didn't Sakurai choose him before XY were even released? Froakie wasn't that popular before it was discovered that it evolves into type changing ninja.

Studio Smash when?

Madhouse
-Vash
-Wolfwood
-Meryl & Milly

Shaft
-Kafuka

Gainax
-Haruko
-Canti
-Panty & Stocking
-Scanty & Kneesocks

Bones
-Maka/Soul
-Black Star/Ninja
-Kid/Thompsons

>>266276159
Get fucked. Jiggs is my favorite Pokeman and is one of the most unique smash characters.

>>266276794
it'd become super may-may bros

>>266276794
Assist trophies would have tripfags in them.

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Mario didn't need another rep, but if it had to have one, it should have been this guy

>>266276794
kill the man who made this

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>>266276865
>Haruko

Sold.

>>266276841
The roster was definitely decided before Froakie became popular.

>>266276865
>>>/a/

>>266277068
http://smashboards.com/threads/super-smash-brothers-crusade-v0-9-0-demo-available-for-download.152960/
Multiple people.

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>>266276865
Super robot wars smash when
I want to use my giant robot to knock other giant robots out of the galaxy

>>266262073
>Robin
>not a villain

>>266277059

I HAVE CHORTLES

Imagine his taunt. [Spoiler]Nyanyanyanya[/Spoiler]

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>>266277523

Ahh fucked it. Oh well

>>266262740
The duck hunt dog has more character than the Ice Climbers.

Dark Pit
actually making Zelda and Sheik 2 different characters
Metaknight returning

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>>266271883
>Rosalina shit
Nah
>Toon Link shit
Clones are like that
>Greninja and Lucario shit
I'm guessing you wanted Mewtwo in huh
>Dr. Mario shit
Meh
>Dark Pit shit
Point taken
>Lucina shit
Well she IS a Marth clone so...
>Miis shit
They're just as jarring in this as Wii Fit Trainer though
>Pac-Man doesn't belong
I guess he didn't belong in the Mario Kart arcade game Namco made too, huh because third party characters making cameos has never been a thing after all

3/8 - You tried

>>266278515
Dark pit i understand but I don't see any issue with zelda and shiek being seperate, most just picked one or the other. And now each character is better off. Metaknight was a piece of shit in brawl but that doesn't mean he should be off the roster

>>266278892

because as zelda you can just switch to sheik already

Why make another slot just for her Down-B?

>>266278873
Oh no, I didn't match up with your shit opinions

>>266279054
Making them separate doesn't take away a slot.

>>266273714
>Banjo-Kazooie
>Nintendo ever prying the IP rights from Microsoft's cold, dead hands

>>266260508
CLONES

FUCKING CLONES RUIN EVERYTHING

SHIT GAME

>>266279238
We can dream

>tfw 3/4 there
COME ON

>>266279237

but why do it at all?

>>266279396
because it makes the characters better themselves. Why even argue? Do you really like switching between them that much?

Dr. Mario is just such a great retro clone, I wish people didn't hate that he returned.

Yeah, I know it sucks Mewtwo isn't back.

I know it sucks Ice Climbers are gone...Lucas...Snake...Pokemon Trainer...

It sucks...

But don't take it out on Dr. Mario...

He's not the bad guy here, that's Dark Pit.

>almost there
>fucking error
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>266271883
>hating on the miis

Fuck off and keep crying bitch nigga

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Here I fixed the roster.

>>266281228
They shouldn't have done them the way they did

>>266281259
Move Yoshi and we're good

>>266262073
>7 Mainline Mario characters, 1 of which is turbo-clone veteran nobody wanted to return
wait which one is the clone? You best not be talking about my nigga Luigi

>>266281480
wario

>>266281604
u wot m8

>>266262073
I knew this post was going to be right by the amount of replies it had.

Only hard truth gets that sort of response in Smash threads.

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>>266260508
>You have ten seconds to explain why this isn't the best roster of any Smash game.
It cut a few well-beloved characters, some of which are better Luigified clones than the clones we have now.

>>266272264
what do you mean by this statement? how can you not be upset about them wasting a character space on this...shallow character.

>>266281690
I'm joking, he's just fishing for replies, and he probably means Doc

>>266260508
Every new roster is an overall improvement because it adds more unique characters to the existing roster while cutting only a few. Saying it's the best is meaningless because it's like saying the 2014 Toyota Camry is the best Toyota Camry.

>>266281942
I forgot the Doc even came back.
Oh yeah.

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>>266272404
prick.

>>266260508

>You have ten seconds to explain why this isn't the best roster of any Smash game.

It might still be simply because it's got most of Brawl's roster and more, but the newcomers are a bunch of literally whos compared to the characters that were added in Brawl. Scarcely any of the new characters are really what I'd call essential and most of them weren't requested at all. Not saying that I mind most of the newcomers, but if the next game came out and some of them didn't make the cut I probably wouldn't give a shit.

>>266281480
Dr mario

>>266282087
>literally whos
>compared to wolf, lucas, and pit

>>266281480
d-dr mario?

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>>266282241

All of those characters are more well known than Shulk, more well liked than Bowser Jr., and were more well recieved than Dr. Mario. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

>dark pit
>dr mario

goddamnit, we could have had K Rool and Andy

>>266282241
>Complaining that Pit is a literally who when Sakurai added Palutena

Palutena is a whole new level of literally who.

>>266282952
>K rool
worse than ridleyfags

>>266283139
in comparison to Pit, who at the time had 2 games that came out over 25 years ago, Palutena came from a series of 3 games, the last of which came out 3 years ago.

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>>266275951
>worthless unimportant character
The protagonist of a game is less important than the rehashed villain of a series?
Mhmmmmm fuck off.

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>>266283368

But they put Pit in because they were intending to make Uprising. In order to know who Palutena is you pretty much have to know who Pit is.

>>266283968
I'm surprised so many people knew who Greninja is. Even I fucking forget it's name sometimes.

>>266283968
>more could name link than could name link

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