So could any of the EP 1 - 6 force users defeat Kreia?
>Anakin and Dooku square off numerous times in the movies and a lot in the clone wars shit
>anakin fights Ventress a lot and she wrecks his shit/gets away
>anakin kills dooku the next day, when its convenient for the plot
>Luke face Vader and gets fucked
>doesn't get any more training from yoda
>manages to beat the fuck out of vader
>gets fucked by palpatine
>fucked up vader manages to lift and throw palpatine who is some sort of super wizard
Shit isn't consistent at all.
Jedis suck. Apparently jedi MASTERS are taken out by like 3 clone troopers when order 66 is executed.
Like 2 of those robots with shields caused a jedi master and obi wan to flee. Send in like 10 of those and this bitch is toast.
Jedi aren't useful as combatants, they are useful as wise men.
Fuck that clone wars cash grab cartoon shit. Anakin was originally supposed to have squared off against Dooku twice. Get his ass beat in 2, and double in strength to defeat him in 3. The cartoon undermines so much continuity shit, it's ridiculous.
Same shit happens in the books.
And then fucking Liam Neeson gets killed by new light saber gimmick to sell tickets guy and obi wan kills him by going super saiyan?
And then there's a book where a Jedi who can't use the force anymore almost kills vader. Shit is all kinds of retarded.
Depends on your perspective. The KOTOR era force users and Ancient Sith in the EU in general were obviously portrayed in a way in which they were far more powerful, fantastical and exaggerated than what we were seeing in the movies, which were more grounded even in the ridiculous prequels. But you know, videogames.
But George Lucas if you give a shit about his opinion made it canon at the time that characters he created like Vader and Sidious were the most powerful force users that ever existed, even if their feats would suggest otherwise. Now with Disney's new plan the KOTOR games aren't even canon, they're something of an elseworld storyline at best so I'm gonna go ahead and say no.
This is just my opinion, but there was never a true "consistency" with these stories even before Disney bought the franchise, it all depends on the writer here. KOTOR 2 in itself was Chris Avellone's subversion of Star Wars and it's simpler black-and-white tropes.
These characters were blatantly stronger than your typical force users in the movies and bordered more on high fantasy, probably due to the fact they were written by WRPG writers. In that respect they're stronger, but if you want to bring the broader saga into the mix then it would likely be written so that KOTOR Sith would be nerfed and defeated by movie characters because plot armor.
Not even. Dude is good, but even yoda tells him in episode 3 that he would be no match for a high Sith Lord with a power level like Palpatine. Kreia certainly comes close enough to that.
Is that a serious question? Do you have any idea how incredibly weak the characters from the movies are in comparison to some of the shit in EU? There are characters in EU that can literally kill entire planets with the Force. Kreia would shit on anyone in the movies, with the exception of maybe Palpatine in his prime.
That's because yoda a shit. He sure as fuck didn't so very good. The whole way they handled that assassination was piss poor. They should have both taken palpatine on and then fucked vader.
Yeah Kreia is pretty strong, but could she defeat Revan?
And I'm not talking about goody two-shoes Revan after his reawakening, I'm talking bout Sith Lord Revan, with his Starforge, maxed out Force Speed and Lightning and jingjang chakra opening jutsu
B-but I'm so awesome! I made Vader look weak as shit! I literally went toe-to-toe with Sidious and nearly beat him! I influenced the rebellion!
She was, but Revan had multiple teachers. She imparted all of her wisdom and experience to him. He probably learned the finer points of lightsaber combat and Force powers from someone else.
IIRC, Revan was the best duelist in the galaxy at his prime.
Malak was too scared to fight him 1v1 and he killed the other greatest combatants (Mandalore and Eusanis) in duels.
Given how impressed everyone was at these feats, it's likely he didn't even resort to the force to do so - people wouldn't recall them with awe if he just turned up, choked a bitch and fucked off.
BIOWARE IS GONE FOREVER ONLY SPIDERMAN LIVES IN MY HEART.
Started replaying KOTOR recently. I always find it hard to be a goody two shoes because I can't fucking help everyone and being a dick is so mean your like comical evil as your alignment.
Revan got blown the fuck out by the Sith Emperor (original character do not steal) who's basically immortal super Nihilus with no weaknesses
you already forgot TOR was a thing didn't you
>doesn't fuck the lore
Except that it does, in the sense that the protagonist is a Mary Sue that is almost as powerful as Palpatine, with significantly less training and experience. His character is a complete asspull out of nowhere and he somehow ends up being one of the strongest Force users in history. This completely undermines what Lucas established in his own movies. He can't write for shit.
since ToR was so far removed from KoToR 1/2, I can safely ignore it.
Seriously, it may as well be an AU fanfiction and should be treated as such.
You're playing the wrong Kotor, anon
>Sidius is also accounted as the strongest dark lord that ever lived
Mace Windu beat him. And don't give me that "but he was being helped by Kit Fist-Me and the other Jedi" shit. Those assholes died so quick, they didn't even make a difference.
The sequel is not better in that regard. It's the same shit except this time you get scolded by Kreia for your decisions. If you were good then you shouldn't have been good. If you were evil you shouldn't have done that either. If anything the sequel punishes you more for not being far on entire alignment than the first one.
>KotOR2 is buggy, rushed, and unfinished
>better than KotOR1 in every way
Who else but Obsidian
Reminder that Lucas thinks of Starwars as a fairytale for little kids.
The game is 7/10 in a "did nothing wrong" sense, lore is irrelevant ever since the EU schisma, because everyone has his own headcannon now
Mace Windu is one of the incredibly rare individuals to actually invent a completely new lightsaber form, which he exclusively used and to devestating effect. Everyone else has just been using the same already established lightsaber forms for the past several thousand years. Sidious was probably confused as shit by Windu's fighting style and Windu used this to his advantage.
It's hard to roleplay when your options are
>Yes I will help build your funeral home and donate 2500 credits to fund this
>No I hate old people. I will kill you all [Force Choke the Geezer]
It's a lightsabre style, known for it's intensity and how precariously close it brings you to the Dark Side.
Mace Windu was the only practitioner that isn't a dark lord or became one.
It still really fucking irks me that the second in command of the Jedi council got BTFO by a sickly old fuck
>Story full of plot holes, inexplicably stupid and unreasonable characters, and character arcs that go nowhere even with the content patched back in
>B-but it's okay, all the characters are SUPPOSED to be retarded, that makes the story deep!
Who else but Obsidian, indeed.
Pretty much everything post ROTJ aside from Dark Empire, the Young Jedi whatever the shit books, Darksaber and Legacy of the Force.
Despite what people say about the New Jedi Order books some of them are some of the best in the entire franchise, actually showing severe threat to the heroes, putting a KOTOR 2 style "dark is not evil" spin on the Force, some pretty good new characters, Wedge Antilles etc. It's pretty much like the equivalent of a comic book crossover where everyone bands together against a horrific common enemy
except it's good on the whole.
Protip bud, every character in Star Wars is a Mary Sue unless they're a disposable character that can be killed off like that.
They're either the best bounty hunter, the best smuggler, the best wookie, the best gungan, or they're a Jedi with their own super gimmick.
I got all Jedi Knight games sitting on my steam library, wich one should I play first?
But Shaft didn't get BTFO by palpy. It was Anakin who fucked it all up by backstabbing him.
Imagine if Windu was played by Morgan Freeman to better portray the "wiseman" Jedi archetype rather than Sammy J. just to rake in the black demographic.
From films - no. Sith and jedis in films rely on sabers too much.
From games - only Revan in his prime, everyone else is too weak (easy to destract, has emotions, relies on one strategy). The problem is its hard to know Krea limits, because even strongest of the sith are just children for her.
>b-but muh order 66!
Krea, HK-47 and pilot explains that jedi rely on force sense too much so they dont see threat from allies and fail to react in proper way. Imagine you are trained to fight with a knife, you have a knife and suddenly your knife attacks you, what the fuck would you do?
>letting the character who lives to be contrary (in order to make you consider your actions more carefully) put you off making decions
Even ignoring that, the vast amount of light/dark opportunities is so much more improved.
KoToR 1 did have smart evil and good, but you got forced into being full retard jesus or a baby eater if you didn't want to get gimped out of the mastery bonus.
In KoToR 2 you could be a dickass manipulator Sith without smashing peoples teeth in for looking at you funny, and you could also be a pragmatic jedi that didn't empty his wallet at the first puppy eyes he sees.
Back in 05 the True Sith weren't necessarily the Sith as we knew them from other things like the comics. The way they came across made them either sound like the Yuuzhan Vong, terrifying aliens of some sort at the very least. Them turning out just to be a splinter of Naga Sadow's empire with the silly red skin was kind of a let down to be honest.
The fact that Revan in 2 was said to have been preparing the Galaxy for the threat the entire time with his actions in systematically preserving shipyards in his campaign and that sort of thing made it kind of shitty than when TOR came around it was like the Republic had completely fucking forgotten.
>Atton is the ONLY well-written party member that isn't just ripped off from the first game. T3 is superior in 2, HK is debatable, and Mandalore is objectively worse than Canderous.
>Compared to Kotor 1 HK, Canderous, Juhani, Zaalbar/Mission, and Jolee Motherfucking Bindo.
>Even fucking Carth is better written than Mira or the Zabrak I can't even remember the name of anymore.
>that unoriginal tripe
>which turned fan fiction tier in TOR
>Biodrones are this retarded
While I do like Kotor, the fighting is the same ridiculous shit we saw in the prequels
Jedi Knight did the OT feel much better, Kyle uses guns and grenades in addition to his lightsaber and it's more grounded fighting due to the mechanics. Also you can't use the powers of the force that often which keeps them feeling rare and powerful like in OT
When the power levels go too high I just stop caring
I don't know who Kreia is because I haven't played KotOR in like 4 years but I know for a FACT that Plo Koon would beat the shit out of her.
Something less. As far as I know, no one that actually feels the Force can voluntarily just "let go" of it. Visas compares losing the Force to blinding a painter. It's supposed to be an incredibly traumatic experience that leaves you an emtpy shell of a person.
God I loved those so much
Made the game feel like a movie, which I think is what they were trying to go for. Not only that, but the game has some of the best pacing I've ever experienced in a game. It's just so perfect. Gotta play through that again.
>he's only watched the movies
>He didnt see them enough to see Mace and Obi arent that great and died like bitches
I never understand this criticism. I think Kreia scolded me possibly once, for giving money to a beggar or some dumb shit.
If you try, there were always multiple options in addition to the
>good for the sake of good
>evil for the sake of evil
options if you thought about it.
confirmed for being lazy and not paying attention, or not actually playing Kotor2.
technically Palpy did BTFO Windu, because he used the teaching and moral code of the Jedi against him with Anakin
Mace windu tried striking him down without a trial or anything, Anakin reacted because ''it's immoral and against our code'' while knowing that Palpy was evil as all fuck.
That would've made the movies so much better ,l would accept it easier.
palpatine threw the fight so anakin would be forced to step in and betray the jedi
In Kotor 2 the mastery bonuses are more prominent. The whole point of going full light or dark in Kotor 2 so you could get the specialization for your Jedi class.
Let's face it Kotor 2 is a fun game but it's practically the same game with updated models and force powers that you will probably never use because the sound of crunching enemies bodies is too good to pass up. Both games have the same stupid dialogue choices and equally stupid stories.
There's a Mass Effect anime movie
It was okay, but its about Jersey Shore
>Windu died because he saw the weakness of Palpatine in the future and the motherfucking faggot killed him. He could have easly defeat him.
>Kenobi is basically inmortal and one of the masters of Soresu of the galaxy.
Nah, they were already red humans.
The good thing that KotOR II did was keep them mysterious, so if you had no foreknowledge you wondered what they looked like. If you had foreknowledge you wonder where they all went.
Whatever helps you sleep at night, young padawan.
>Let's face it Kotor 2 is a fun game but it's practically the same game with updated models and force powers that you will probably never use because the sound of crunching enemies bodies is too good to pass up.
KoToR 1 has the crippling replay flaw in that anything other than a pure melee character or a pure force character is practically worthless due to the 1v1 segments, coupled with the complete lack of motivation to do anything but make said build.
KoToR 2 made this much better.
Tech builds, blaster builds and even unarmed builds are now completely viable to complete the game with, and there are reasons you might actually want to do so.
the exp bonus/item creation/bashing causing broken items actually gives you motivation to use skills as well.
That movie was actually a lot better than I expected.
>yfw everything Big McLargeHuge did was for nothing and all his comrades died in vain because Shepard killed the collectors anyway
I didn't even know there actually WERE red skinned Siths in canon before, thanks.
it's fanfiction m8, don't dignify it by implying it's anything else.
I've gotta say I disliked certain aspects of the story.
Two hours into kotor 2 I was saying "This bitch is gonna betray me." over and over again.
And then it happened and I wasn't surprised at all.
Ok. Call me back when you are done shitposting.
Yeah, Kreia is clearly intended to betray you. CLEARLY. So clearly, that I do not think it was intended to be a surprise. You can get her to talk about being Darth Traya right after Peragus.
ridiculously exaggerating a fencing technique.
Can't recall the exact details, but it's about matching your opponents sword movement and looking for an opening to strike.
Naturally this shit takes it beyond eleven
>tfw BioWare cant be trusted with their own IPs anymore
>KotOR is kill
>Mass Effect is kill
>Dragon Age is kill but may be ressurected
>Jade Empire is better off not having a BioWare sequel
>they belong to EA
Why would you not care about George Lucas's opinion? He might make bad decisions sometimes but he still created Star Wars. That's like saying you don't care about George Romero's opinion on zombie canon.
Sidious is the most powerful force user of all time.
That's the point, silly. The builds allow you to keep the challenge. It's not about making a powerful build, but about making a cool build; something you enjoy playing. The game is extremely easy, it's true.
For example, I just don't use Force lightning anymore, because it ruins the game.
>Why would you not care about George Lucas's opinion? He might make bad decisions sometimes but he still created Star Wars.
Given that the original trilogy was a collaborative effort with many people chipping in ideas, and many of Lucas' original concepts being full retard, this isn't the case.
Had Lucas genuinely made the entire thing, by himself, from scratch, it would hold more weight.
You should probably replay the game, she takes you as her apprentice so the Jedi and Sith can both be wiped out and replaced with a better new order under the Exile. She doesn't have any intention of actually killing the Force like Atris tells you, it's just a lure to get you to go back to Malachor V, a place you'd otherwise stay far the fuck away from. She says that she's proud of you at the end because you managed to finally put her out of her misery and accomplish her dream of getting rid of the corrupt Jedi and scumbag Sith.
Name someone who could beat Exar Kun, he's easily second to the emperor in force ability, but 1st when it comes to lightsaber dueling.
Yeah, basically any lightsaber build could fuck everything up in a moment
>first run through, I did a flurry-based lightsaber build, one-shotted the last half of the game and two-shotted kreia
being positive is one thing, being retarded is quite another.
Could anyone from the movies beat Revan?
Before he got nerfed to hell in TOR
Just fucking loot at the promo, it's going to be compared to DA2 what DA2 was to Origins and there is not a single piece of evidence against it, while the shit keeps piling up.
>MFW people still think bane is the best
>MFW he couldn't even bring himself back from the dead like based Sidious
And I bet you're not just talking about any Revan
>People talking about fan-fiction characters like Revan or Bane
Not canon so what's the point?
I figure the person would basically be like a droid but even droids are more of an entity since they aren't black holes sucking in force energy into oblivion.
Shit how does that even work?
If Sidious is so strong why did he bother with Luke at all? Why not have Vader take him to a prison cell and then create a force storm over the Rebel fleet destroying all their ships in a way faster time than it would have taken to continuously fire the Death Star laser?
The answer is he couldn't because he was never meant to be that fucking strong.
Revan made his own path, Kreia was very clear about that.
The Jedi may have scapegoated her, but Revan deliberately sought out as many views as possible so he wouldn't be restricted in his thinking.
>OP specifically said Kreia
rogue squadron series
Anything after RotJ, besides truce at bakura which I've been trying to read for a year. Rogue Squadrons badass if you like a top gun/Star Wars novel. Wedge Antilles hops on one transparisteel leg.
KoToR 1 is ridiculously easy if you go with a pure lightsaber/force build, but the difficulty with other builds is simply due to it pulling the rug out from under you.
>what's that, you made a support character that stays at the back?
>well fuck you, have a melee heavy 1v1 with no way of utilising skills.
Then why did he keep war related infrastructure intact during his conquests, before his mind was wrecked? It seems he always intended to assemble his own armada from the star forge + conquered planets to face the emperor.
You can actually be a human being in the second game though. You can be lightside and have a sense of humor. You can be darkside and not be a complete psychopath.
>Bioware better ... story
Kotor is literally an ancient evil awakens and you as the chosen one are the only one who can stop it.
>even mentioning Dark Empire, the worst part of the entire Star Wars expanded universe
>muh Super Star Destroyer with a death star laser on it
>muh gun that can destroy entire solar systems from the other side of the Galaxy
>muh force storms that can kidnap people somehow
>muh world devastators
>muh where the fuck am I getting half of these from
>muh turn Luke to the dark side plot
>oh god who the fuck is writing this
Dear god, this.
Escalation syndrome hit Star Wars like a fucking truck.
All the authors wanted their super special plot, powers and enemies, but didn't consider the retroactive damage they were doing to the series.
Something I like about KoToR 2 is that, while there are powerful figures like Nihlus/Sion present, the game makes it very clear that their power is only an illusion of strength; the fact that they can't control it makes the power their weakness.
Yeah, he gradually becomes pretty incredible and eventually leads the new Jedi Order. He tries to avoid fighting much but on the rare occasions he does in the books he becomes a force of nature.
Kotor 2 does have more options but I feel like it doesn't matter what you do because all options are so viable it makes the game too easy no matter what.
Those bits were the worst.
>the fight on taris with the sith that stuns your friends
To be honest though I think it's hard to imagine this game going purely blaster since so many things can just whip out a sword and whack you with it.
>people talking about jackoffs and shits
Let's talk about the real fighters.
>so strong in the past Revan was the only one who could stop them
>so strong in the future the only one who can properly train a jedi snot to kill sith is Mandalore
>It is the most ferocious Lightsaber combat technique. Primarily offensive which is unusual for Jedi obivously.
>unusual for Jedi
I dunno. The Jedi were really offensive to me.
Luke indeed becomes powerful after the events of the movies. He even passes up Palpatine in power level. But I don't think he ever reached Chosen One level strength like Anakin was supposed to become.
>KoToR 1 has the crippling replay flaw in that anything other than a pure melee character or a pure force character is practically worthless due to the 1v1 segments
I agree though, stuff like sneak attack not working on bosses is fucking daft.
Only because of Lucas' shitty depiction of them in the prequels as corrupt moronic generals who also not only acted as peacekeepers but straight up intervened in wars and stuff.
Their depiction in the original trilogy and the Thrawn books is more as mediators who were supposed to avoid coming across as overtly political.
Obi Wan won that fight because he had the power of the High Ground.
A secret technique mastered only by Obi Wan, and known in whispers of fear by the rest of the galaxy.
Only Obi Wan could master attacking from the High ground, and only Obi Wan could master attacking an opponent on the high ground.
Notice in the originals, Darth Vader made sure to attack Obi Wan on perfectly flat ground, despite the fact that he probably could have attacked him anywhere on the station.
Notice that in Empire, when Vader forces Luke down the stairs, he doesn't attack from a high point, he makes sure to get even with him.
Notice how ferocious he was when Luke was on his back, and how quickly he fought to disarm him; he was petrified that Obi Wan had taught him the secret technique of the High Ground.
Notice in Jedi, when Luke stands above him on the gantry, he destroys his high position immediately.
Notice that when Vader knows he can't go on, he slumps to the ground - He was signalling that he had no hope of winning by giving Luke the High ground, the ultimate weapon against him.
It's truly poetry in motion.
You can be a human being in the first one as well. If you want to go purely light or dark side of course your going to go to the extremes of both sides but you can still be more of a neutral in both games. They both have near the same level of dialogue options.
Hello I am Star Wars lorefag pro here
Kreia was hypocritically atavistic and radical at the same time. She paid lip service to the old sith masters but made extensive use of modern (for her era) techniques and wanted to destroy the force. Despite her rambling about the great power of the past lords they were in fact much less advanced than the kotor era jedi and sith, and though the sith arguably peaked during the tor era empire they did do independently of human sith culture. From the kotor era, the sith regressed until bane at which point they became continually stronger and more subtly influential. The Jedi on the other hand were never truly weak at any point after kotor 2 until the rise of the empire and lord knows they didn't maintain themselves by sheer numbers.
Let's be clear here-the greatest of the Jedi, and all of bane's sith by definition amalgamated knowledge in order to grow more powerful. Kreia's knowledge was far from lost, it was horded. Any of the great Jedi of the clone wars era would've known of it, and certainly sidious would've. They would not be as susceptible to it as vrook, zez Kai ell and kavar were. And going off of the idea that she'd defeat them by manipulation, I don't think it's too unsafe to say that sidious has a record of influence that more than rivals anything Kreia's ever done
So yeah, she'd not be nearly as potent
Fucking this. In the thrawn trilogy I remember Luke cutting himself out of the republic military and politics to act as a mediator in conflicts such as with a barabel at one point
Does jumping on the head of the enemy gives you High Ground advantage?
>Kreia was hypocritically atavistic and radical at the same time. She paid lip service to the old sith masters but made extensive use of modern (for her era) techniques and wanted to destroy the force.
How is she gonna do that: vaccinate everyone against midichlorians?
Bane's entire purpose was to set about the rule of two.
The rule that says the stronger Sith kills the weaker Sith.
So theoretically in the line of Sith Lords Bane should be the weakest and Sidious should be the strongest. Because the idea is the strongest Sith Lord is always raising an even stronger Sith Lord.
>inventor of the infamous 'rule of two' that is the most fucking ludicrous bullshit created for the sole purpose of giving unnecessary reasons for why there are only 2 sith lords in the movies.
this is his whole purpose in existing
contrived is the best word to describe this bullshit.
>Like builds really matter when the games become piss easy halfway through.
Are you actually complaining that you can make an OP character? To me, that's the mark of a good RPG. I love to elevate someone from Bumblebee tier to Prime tier.
Explain this to me kotor 2 fags.
If your character lost connection to the force why does bludgeoning a couple of robots instantly make you gain the knowledge to shoot lightning out of your finger tips.
I completed game on Jedi Master without use of speed and rage. I am good?
>contrived is the best word to describe this bullshit.
There are so many holes in that concept that I find it difficult to begin
>accident kills both of them
>master can't find a worthy apprentice before he gets decrepit
>master decides "you know what, fuck getting an apprentice, I enjoy living"
>apprentice fucks off with enough knowledge of the force to get by
>master and apprentice kill each other
>master settles for a bad apprentice, who gets lucky and starts a cycle of slowly worsening Sith
>Jedi luck out and catch both of them
Whoever thought it up was plain retarded, and by that I mean the author.
Not him kotor 2 is my favorite single player game ever but I don't think that's a good thing. It takes away from any sort of triumphant feeling when you've been stomping everything for the last 39 hours and the narrative suffers too
Connection to Kreia and contrive for game mechanics
Atris says it to you in a case you haven't figured it out yet. The best lies contain nuggets of truth and Kreia proves herself to be unbelievably obsessed with self reliance throughout the game, the force is antithetical to that. Also the scene with the disciple and Kreia and the galaxy map
Exile was too strong before Malachor. Exile get depressed because lot of death. Slowly degenerate while wandering galaxy. Finally become almost human. Only then was Exile able to encounter a challenge, something that made his survival instinct kick in. That's how I see it, anyway.
>I restarted when i realized i would one-shot every enemy from then on.
I find that exhilarating. It's like when Obi Wan almost got rekt by Jango Fett, but Mace Windu just walked up to him and beheaded him in one move.
>Anything other than a gunslinging Consular/Watchman or Dark Consular/Assasin
I don't think that people realize that the Clone Troopers were THE BEST trained soldiers ever. I don't think it's unrealistic for an entire squad of Clones to overpower one or two Jedi.
B.BUT ANON!! The sith are, like, SO EVIL, that if they had too many than ther would be too much in-fighting and stuff! and it would ruin the sith!
Are you kidding? The Exile had a natural aptitude for creating force bonds. When all the Jedi he served with died when the mass shadow generator was activated, the ripple effect of those deaths flowed through the bonds back into him, and would have killed him if he hadn't cut himself off from the Force
>play Swtor back when it first came out
>decide to try Sith Warrior
>your master is some fat fuck
Seriously? Why were there so many fat sith in that game I don't get it.
>all the cut content for KotOR2
What exaclty does the restoration mod add?
Because the blade emits from nothing right? And lightsabers with hilts aren't infinitely more prevalent and available than lightsabers without, right?
Are you fucking retarded?
The body options were dumb and I think they distributed them randomly
Hk factory, a ton of dialogue, otherwise not too much. Ending is more satisfying
It makes a big impact given the focus of the game
How'd that work out for Plagueis
They're necessary to produce the blade
The end + a bunch of other shit that was cut because it was actually trash.
I'm glad the mod got made and everything but there are so many unnessecary additional lines, scenes and fight sequences that do nothing more than cripple the pacing of the game that it's arguably not even worth it. The ending is still noticably lacking and the only really good thing to come out of it was the HK factory, which had already been restored for years.
Bane is actually a part of canon. He was thought up by Lucas for the backstory for Episode I -not mentioned in the movie I don't think, but he is mentioned in the novelization which is still canon - and he's also in The Clone Wars Season 6 arc with Yoda.
Sneak Attacks + skills.
If you start as a high dex and wis consular then go watchman/assassin you can pretty much always land stun attacks and sneak attack damage gets applied to stunned targets, it's a lot of fun if you're a gunslinger character.
>that might have something to do with the fact that i didn't get a prestige class until after i had maxed my alignment.
You may be confusing enlightenment with force mastery
I never brought her along on most trips because I got so fucking sick of her asinine lectures. Yeah, I get it, be practical and cautious in what you give of yourself, and make sure it isn't done so wastefully. It's not MY fucking fault the dumbass you serve as a mouthpiece didn't write me any options to be smart about my good deeds, and it sure as hell doesn't mean I'm gonna start being an asshole just because you want to pretend that's the only choice.
I consider her the villain more than a crew member. Though villain's not quite the right word. Antagonist/Opponent, you get what I mean.
Actually, he didn't. You'll notice in the game that it was already coming down to the planet, it wasn't in some stationary orbit.
In the comic and book, it's both heavily damaged, not fully operational, and falling. All he did was change the angle it was falling at, and the effort required to do so nearly killed him - and then he only survived the actual impact by sheer strength of plot armor.
Answer me this Lorefags! Who's the Strongest being in the Star Wars universe?
they really aren't
Force enlightenment is a power that applies the best available Speed/Aura/Valor abilities at the same time.
Mastery is a passive attribute/skill bonus depending on your class/alignment.
Christ man, when did you last play it?
Best star wars game coming through, don't mind me.
You missed a lot, then, unfortunately. The lectures when you do things smart are fucking sweet. There are tons of options to go beyond "kill" and "give him all my money", if you are a little more cautious with your choices. Also, these are very rarely obvious. It took until my third playthrough before I even found one.
They can. In fact, one Star Destroyer's famous for landing directly on top of a crowd of protesters and killing them all. You've gotten Star Wars and Star Trek confused. Federation ships can't enter atmospheres usually.
I wonder why nobody else used the force to control lightsabers
it seems like a perfect technique for old masters like Yoda, imagine if he, instead of jumping around like a maniac during the prequels had just calmly sat down in the middle of a battlefield, started meditating and just had his surroundings fight for him
No But seriously
not even in TOR, in a shitty TOR prequel book
I'm betting Bioware was just piss mad Obsidian managed to turn a completely bland character they created into the best party member
The reason is M-M-M-MAGIC. As other anon said, you're confused with Star Trek, where they try to be a little realistic. Something that big would need ridiculous amounts of energy to move in a planet's gravity well, and would need to be made of super-duper retard strength material to not be torn apart doing so.
Star Destroyers (well, their predecessors) are shown on Coruscant's surface in Attack of the Clones (at the end when they're picking up the clone army), several times they enter the atmosphere in TCW (though I don't remember if we ever saw a landing or just upper-atmosphere encounters), and a Star Destroyer is in the atmosphere of Lothal in the very first episode of Star Wars Rebels.
Hell saying Bioware used T3 as a character is fucking generous, he's more a walking plot device.
Given how shit skill characters were in 1, and that everyone used a combo of Jolee/Canderous/HK, nobody ever used him
nope it is explicitly said that Sith and Jedi HAVE to use the Force otherwise their lightsabers would be their undoing, thats also the main reason why you dont see Non-Force users wielding Lightsabers
the material strenght wouldn't be to big an issue considering they could make a material strong enough to keep the friggin deathstar together
and sometimes having ships pull impossible stunts makes for awesome suspense, pic related was a good example. A risky unheard of maneuver that ended up having major effects on the structural integrity of the ship which became a plot point
On a scale of okay to terrible, how bad will it be?
I found anons. Some can but not imperials which star killer brought down
Depends on the type. Venator and Victory-class SDs are designed for atmospheric flight and operations while the larger Imperial class (i.e. the ones in the OT) are only intended for use in space.
Bobba Fet managed to wield one in combat and Han could use it to slice open that arctic riding chicken
its just the force enhanced reactions that are necessary not direct manipulation with the force
What about Grievous? I'm sure I don't know much about him, but I don't recall him ever using any powers. Although, droidic super-computing, maybe? Also, in the Kotor games I think some Mandalorians mention collecting them.
As long as it has those galactic marines I'll play it
Best armor design?
Best armor design
those are some small examples not to mention it wasnt a combat but just blunt swings
Grievous was a cyborg hybrid or some shit, Mandalorians collected lightsaber hilts of dead Jedi as a trophy they never used them in combat
Sidious should have never used a lightsaber at any time, would have made him a much powerful character if he simply didn't need to resort to any form of weapon
and having him use the force to disable the lightsabers of his opponents would have been an interesting and shocking maneuver. Imagine that scene where the Jedi storm into his office, grab their lightsabers and they fail to work because Sidious preemptively disabled them
Grievous wasn't Force sensitive. He was trained by Dooku and yeah, he had the microprocessors or whatever to help him. But he was still told by Dooku to emphasize sneak attacks and wearing his opponents down before he attacks openly because if he went up against a true master he'd be rekt right away.
Like that infamous scene in Genndy's show where they introduced him, he won there because those Jedi were all tired and wounded from a prolonged battle.
Why did Galactica have to suck shit the final season? It was going so good... then MAGIC SUPER BABY SHE IS THE CHOSEN ONE WHICH WILL HERALD THE NEW ERA OF TIMES TO COME, MUH PROPHESY, JESUS ANGEL MAGIC IN SPACEEE!!!
Nah. The "ah help me I'm so weak and helpless" WAS an act, but Mace genuinely defeated Palpatine in a lightsaber duel.
Mace Windu is one of (if not THE) greatest lightsaber duelists in the entire Star Wars canon.
even then Sidious is shown to be an extremely powerful yet subtle sith lord
what better way to demonstrate this than to have him destroy the most famous symbol of not only the Jedi but the entire Star Wars franchise as well
would have even made their swift defeat make sense: lightsabers being taken out is just something that's not done, they're completely shocked by it, lose their concentration for a split second and Sidious abuses this to shoot them full of force lightning they can't block because no sabers
the only reason Mace Windu survives is because unlike other Jedi he carries backup sabers all the time which would be completely in line with his character and status
As in force user build. Yeah there are massed produce lightsabers, light foils, but they are considered less powerful than a force made lightsaber. But mostly it's the force crystals which are main part of a lightsaber.
>As in, only a force user can even activate it
Some Jedi and Sith build their lightsabers with the activation switch on the inside so it can't be activated by non-Force-users.
>Or only a force user could build it?
Old canon had it be that it required a degree of Force sensitivity to build a lightsaber because REASONS (really, the crystal within the lightsaber had to be aligned perfectly on a molecular level not achievable by hand otherwise or by even by machine; if the crystal wasn't aligned right you basically just made a pipe bomb that explodes the second you activate it).
New canon keeps the whole build lightsaber with the Force but no mention of exploding if put together badly, and adds that the crystals have to be attuned to the user (see The Clone Wars, season 5 Younglings arc).
Pay $100 to buy Commandos 2 DLC for Battlefront
>Some Jedi and Sith build their lightsabers with the activation switch on the inside so it can't be activated by non-Force-users.
Clever. I hadn't thought of that. I do recall talk of molecular alignment of crystals, I guess that works, too.
Kyle Katarn can take her.
The man was no more than a Jedi fledgling but managed to beat a squad of elite Dark Jedi and a super powered Jerec in a matter of days because they took his girl.
Has Disney/whoever the fuck holds the rights to SW games said anything about other projects besides Battlefront? These games literally print money when they put a little thought into development.
EA has rights for Star Wars games for the next ten years.
BioWare is supposedly working on a new Star Wars IP, and Visceral is as well. Whether they're working together or on two separate games, we don't know.
Visceral might be alright
Word of George (in the RotS commentary) is that Palpatine legitimately lost the lightsaber duel with Mace.
It DOES make sense that he'd have lost on purpose (with the weird timing of Anakin walking in exactly when Palpatine falls), but unfortunately, that's not the case.
it was supposed to be a vibrosword originally but Lucas didn't want people seeing a lightsaber go against one because it would make lightsabers look weak or some shit so they changed it to a darksaber
Jaden brought a wall down on him to run away.
Think about that. The boss battle isn't about winning, it's about opening an advantage for you to leg it.
That's how fucking badass Kyle is.
And I’m not talking about Edo Tensei Madara. I’m talking about Rinne Tensei Madara Uchiha with the Eternal Mangekyou Sharingan and Rinnegan and with rikidou techniques, his Gunbai, a Perfect Susano’o and control of the juubi and Gedou Mazou, with Hashirama Senju’s DNA implanted in him so he also has mokuton kekkei genkai and yin-yang release ninjutsu.
reminded me of that TGS episode.