Will RTS ever come back? I feel like if Blizzard make Warcraft

RTS will only come back if the genre starts to center on group play. Casuals took over which means that 1v1 titles cant be successful anymore.

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>there will never be a well made reboot of Total Annihilation

>>265698908
Why, what did they achieve with Starcraft II other than vitriol?

I've been fantasising about Valve expanding their Dota 2 universe to make some WC3 esque story driven RTS game.

Get me right though, the "IP" and its lore is horrible but it would be better than nothing. Maybe.

>implying Blizzard is capable of making another good game
>implying all the talent has not left Blizzard
>implying anyone at Blizzard understands what seperates WC3 and Broowar's success from the failure that is SC2
>implying metzen wouldn't ruin the storyline with his self-inserts

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>>265699360

>RTS will only come back if the genre starts to center on group play. Casuals took over which means that 1v1 titles cant be successful anymore

I have a feeling RTS games thrived not only because of the MP. Go to any C&C thread here on /v/ and you'll see posts praising its music, atmosphere, units, etc, but not much about the multiplayer. Tiberian Sun and Yuri's Revenge were pretty unbalanced as well.

LoL/Dota merely took away the people who enjoyed playing those games competitively. There should still be a market of those who want good campaigns and stuff, we just don't have any games delivering that. We all know that SC2 story fucking sucks compared to BW, and C&C died with C&C4.

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>Buy the HD editions of Rise Of Nations and Age Of Empires on steam, my two favorite RTSs ever and maybe my favorite games ever
>I suck ass at them
Did I just get worse at vidya as the years went by

I just want a new RTS that focus on fun and base building.
RTS nowadays are mostly no fun allowed SCII clones which hope to enter the competitive scene by focusing only balancing.

>>265699931
>blizzard are the only ones who can make rts games
bitch i should slap you

Isn't there supposed to be a new SC2 expansion sometime in the future?

>>265700076
>Go to any C&C thread here on /v/
>here on /v/
You know what wrong with mentioning /v/? Barely anyone on this page is competitive. Thats why they play Dan in SF and say that they dont care about winning.

The only reason an RTS could ever be successful again is by it being a competitive dream. Something /v/ wouldnt even be interested in because they hate competition because it forces them to not suck.

>>265700286

>I can't read the OP

>>265700076
thats in part because there wasnt really any multiplaying going on back when C&C was ontop of the world

>>265698908
>if Blizzard make Warcraft 4 then a resurgence of the genre would happen
hahaha sure anon, sure.

Warcraft 4 for PS4 and Xbox One confirmed.

>>265698908
RTS is dead, but the ARTS genre is just growing.
Can't wait for custom games to come to Dota 2, combined with the Steam Workshop it will be like the golden years of WC3 custom games.

>Warcraft 4
It would never even get close to the greatness that is WC3. Modern Blizzard is complete shit.

>>265700386
>Will RTS ever come back?
first statement is genrewide
moron

I booted up WC3 again
I'm shit at the rts genre
but I still have a lot of fun

>>265698908
First of all the multiplayer domination in design has to stop.

Then we can start talking about the genre being revived.

And I love multi in those games, I just understand that all it brings to genre is turning it into clickfest. Which is sad.

>>265698908
>I feel like if Blizzard make Warcraft 4
No no no no no no no no no.

So they can butcher it to fucking hell and back like they did with Diablo 3? Or starcraft 2? Or WoW?

why though when we have dota

>>265699609
it's called SupCom m8

>>265700532
exactly this

>>265700076
But the reason why WC3 got so big was the multiplayer with custom maps.

And custom maps aren't a thing anymore. I remember browsing SC2 custom maps and every map was poorly imported WC3 maps where a treant unit is actually a firebat or an orc is a zergling.

>>265700735
>implying dota is a rts

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Try Company Of Heroes

>>265700741
>supcom
>well made
Spring engine games are better.

>>265700835
i ain't implying nothing of the sort

>>265698908
>if Blizzard make Warcraft 4
not even going to happen, now that Blizzard is partly owned by Activision, they wouldn't allow them to make a Warcraft 4 unless they can prove it would sell better than their cash cows like World of Warcraft and Hearthstone which already make so much money at this point if you haven't already known.

Try Spring.
Open source community RTS based on Total Annihilation. Best RTS out there right now IMO, but there's a huge learning curve since the game has been out for over a decade and has no tutorial.

graphics have aged well though.

>blizzard make warcraft 4
>after diablo 3, starcraft 2, world of warcraft, hearthstone, and heroes of the storm you actually want blizzard to ruin ANOTHER franchise
Why the fuck... Do you even realize how shit blizzard is at this point?
The best you can hope for is a good strategy game dota 2 mod.

>>265700443
Just how young are you, exactly? Starcaft was one of the biggest competitive games ever, and it's not much older than C&C.

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>no RTS game has ever topped Age of Empires II

>>265701068
Rise of Nation and Cossacks were better.

>>265701068
>Ignores the existence of C&C tiberian dawn through RA2

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>>265698908
We already have a Warcraft 4, it's called Dota 2

But league of legends is doing just fine

>>265701257
Wouldn't meepo be a better model for worker?

>>265701472
If you're going for the human worker, no.

>>265700897
Why the fuck would it have to sell more? What's the logic here?

>>265701661
Zeus? He looks a lot like a peasant.

id rather have age of mythology 2 than warcraft 4

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>there will never be an rts with in depth city sim/godsim construction, interior dungeon keeper/dorf fort decoration, sheer unit variety like command and conquer, stables, civ/HOMM esque politics with other factions, the ability to control a hero unit and command your units from the battlefield sacrifice/brutal legend/dungeon keeper style, naval battles like warcraft 2, factions that are actually interesting and diverse and not just blue good guys and red bad guys, and an artstyle on par with dota 2

>never
>never ever

>>265701790
why fund money on new, risky projects when the previous cash cows can still milk very good with little input?

>>265698908
How will the majority even be able to control more than 3 units at once after playing fucking Dota style games for a century?

There will be RTS, but they'll never again be as popular as WC3. There is a reason why Starcraft is rather watched, than played.

W4 can't happen as long as WoW is going on.

>>265701986
you sure an rts is what you want?

>>265700076

It's simple:

no competition = no interest
no interest = no exposure
no exposure = no one fucking knows your game

>>265702223
the alternative is turn based stuff that I've played a billion times already, I just want an rts that focuses on construction and exploration and not gookclick competition. Have some strategy like unit placement, sure, but christ, there's no flavor anymore.

>>265700873

The first one was pretty mind blowing back when it came out in early 08.

>>265701997
>new, risky projects
Fourth installment which is a sequal to probably the most lucrative RTS game is not a new and risky project.
>previous cash cows can still milk
And they keep on making money. Blizzard is big enough that it can still pour resources to finish the Starcraft 2 trilogy, which is nowhere near as profitable as some of their other projects, and still make a profit from it. They just had a bunch of devs freed from Titan and soon theyir RTS specialists are down with their current strategy game.

>>265701257
>dota2 engine can't append objects to existing models
When did the WC3 map editor come out again?

>>265702423
>gookclick competition
If it isn't that, its not an rts.

>>265702137
this. moba shit are for people with next to zero micro skills.

rts will fade out and being a niche genre forever.

>>265702423
You idea sounds like you want something where you build up for 3 hours before even being able to engage into bigger combat scenarios. That is not something an RTS does. Go play the Anno series.

>>265702646
>implying a simple. exact remake of WC3 and the frozen throne expansion would not be wildly successful
Of course, they'd have to not make the game even easier like they did with SC2, i.e. no unlimited unit select and other shit.

>>265702815
>he likes being limited to 4 units per selection in a game where you can have 80 units total

wat?

Good players control their units in chunks anyway so I don't see the problem with this. Limited unit selection is an archaic concept that adds no depth to the game.

>people thinking making a competitive game will save the genre
lol no
That's the reason it died.

>>265703259
>removing all micro from the game
>game literally becomes 1,2,3 A click
>expecting the game to remain interesting to watch or play

>>265701125
>Cossacks
its a shit game

>>265698908
What's with that weird UI? I don't recall the hero stats being like that

>>265702815
>Arbitrary limiters
>Adding skill

Do you also like playing hockey without a stick?

>>265703453

>occupying the players attention by having him select units 5-6 times instead of once and leaving him free to actually follow the flow of battle and apply strategy and tactics is a good concept

nah, do you even watch or play RTS? When was the last time you've played an old RTS? I can tell you that it was no fun to play WC1 and WC2 when I replayed them a few months ago.