Overall I'm pretty happy with the new Smash Bros. But holy

You're complaining about removal of chain throws? Fuck off.

>>264067654
Does he just not have any Waddle Dee moves at all?

He's better in my opinion, nerfed in some aspects but buffed a lot as well. All the comp players still think he's strong.

>>264067654
Spike ball tossing is extremely good; don't be so bitter.

>>264067654
>>264068289
What is his side-B now?

>>264067654

Well, Bandana Dee could be DLC, so who knows? Also, from what I've seen, Dedede looks really good. Not as good as Zero Suit Samus, but he seems like he can definitely hold his own against everyone.

Complete newbie to smash here

How the fuck do I stop falling? I'm playing Link

You haven't seen the glory that is bouncing gordos then.

>caring about cutesy shit over buffs

You don't even deserve to main DDD.

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>>264067654
>mfw nothing Masked Dedede related whatsoever

>>264067654
SO basicallly you only played DDD for waddle dees.
I

Dude Dedede is a fucking beast in this game. Like holy shit is he good.

>>264068409

He only throws Gordos now. I'm pretty sure he can hit one with his hammer over and over at someone until it falls off the stage or something.

>implying the Gordos aren't more fun and interesting to set up
Fuck off with your Waifu Dee faggotry.

>>264067654
fuck off

>>264068589
Did you died?

>>264067654
Its funny, because now Dedede is actually better than he was in Brawl.

>>264068589

Waddle Dee's are cute. King Dedede is cute as well, but in a different way. It's a fat ass penguin wearing a robe who thinks he's a king. A true 10/10 will main.

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>>264068548

>they took the fun out of my main
The fuck are you talking about? The gordos made him more fun.
His new final smash is fucking stupid, though.

>>264068907

Who cares about FS'? That would mean playing with items on lol.

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>Dedede is universally considered buffed
>Complaining about Gordos actually being applicable and not down to luck

>>264068467
Don't main a character yet.
Play whatever characters looks cool to you + Some random matches.
You'll get a feeling with certain character(s) and you'll start getting better with them.

I hated Dedede in Brawl. My favorite Kirby character just played weird.
I hope he is better now and it sounds like he is. get rekt OP.

Dedede's even better now.

>>264068467

Jump twice normally, B-Up.

>>264069268

Yeah, I usually can't tell if a character has been buffed or nerfed just by watching a video. But with Dedede, I actually did see he was buffed.

DDD has better aerials, more combo ability, Gordos hurt like hell, and can still kill pretty early. He lost chain grabs and bair, but he's still wrecking shit.

And Masked DDD is stupid and I don't understand the obsession with it.

>>264069083
>>264068782
>>264068620
>>264068543
>>264068149

You're missing the point.
I'm not a competitive smash player.
Waddle Dees were fun and cute as fuck.
And the tension of not knowing when a Gordo will come out was fun too.

It's like the Stich Face beet with Peach. Sometime randomeness is more fun and enjoyable.

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>tfw Olimar and G&W are apparently shit tier now

>>264069824
I'm not either. I'm a huge casual player,

He's a million times more fun now.

>>264069824
>I'm not a competitive smash player.
I'm not either. I'm not autistic about an irrelevant minion.
Your Waddle Dees are in Smash Run.

>>264069404
I use that, but sometimes I'm nolt fast enough, how do I use his clawshot? Everytime I'm next to an edge I press L to grab it and nothing happens

>>264069254
Of course. The demo is very limited though so I'm starting with my favorite, Link. After I'll get good enough with him I'll move on to other characters

>>264069824
Nigga get fucked, he's a better character for people who actually play the game consistently. You sound like a fucking woman.

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Question for importers.

Can you 2v2 online with a friend?

Friend and I vs. Randoms online

Thanks

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>>264069824
>I'm not a competitive smash player
What does that have to do with anything? Dedede's better overall, regardless of how you play.

>>264067654

>No more qt Waddle Dees walking on stage
>Changed Final Smash

I'll take "3DS limitation" for 400

>>264067654
>>264070263
I'll take samefagging OP for 600

>>264069875
G&W is pretty alright, you need to watch VGBootcamp man.

>>264070263
limit this

*grabs dick*

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>>264067654
maybe one of his alt specials will be waddle dees anon.

Either way, throwing motherfucking gordos is great. Make your enemies touch spikes.

>>264070110
If it's like Kid Icarus then no, you'll probably have to get the other two players to enter your room or play against CPUs, but I don't have the game to help you, I'm just guessing 'cause Sakurai. Maybe he changed that.

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>not liking based Gordos
The biggest of faggots.

>>264070053

Double jump and use Link's up special. Also, when someone is trying to get back up on stage, jump and hit them with his down air. It's been changed to a spike, so they'll go straight down and die.

>>264069875
I bet they lowered the pikmin count for the 3DS

Prove to me that the 3DS didn't fuck this game

>No Ice Climbers because of 3DS limitations
>No waddle dees because of 3DS limitations
>Only 3 pikmin because of 3DS limitations

what else am I missing

>>264070760
What's down air, the slash attack he has on Zelda 2? Down + A?

>>264071032
The novelty of a playable, good portable smash bros outweighs all of those.

Go fuck yourself.

>>264071032

We all know it did. Some people try to deny it, which is pretty humorous. Sakurai dick riders are the worst, to be honest. I like the guy just as much as anyone else, but some refuse to recognize his mistakes.

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>>264071032
>what else am I missing
Nothing important, like the things you listed.

>>264071032
portable
smash

>>264071032
>who cares
>who cares
>Olimar got buffs anyway

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>>264071123

Yeah, I'm pretty sure it's his down A. It's the same thing he does from Zelda II. It looks like this.

>>264071176
>The novelty of a playable, good portable smash bros outweighs all of those.

And the shitty controls you have to deal with plus shit online and forcing everyone you play with to won a separate copy completely outweigh the idea of portable smash, so

His final smash should have been either masked dedede or just air ride sized gordos

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>3 pikmin
No...Olimar was my main. Now that he's shit where do I go? Who will have me? I don't know what do to with myself now....

>>264071542
>I know nothing about Smash
okay

>>264071672

All of those things are true though

>>264067654
>>264069824
>>264071032
>>264071662
I know you're bitter, but tone it down. Waddle Dees were shit anyway.

>>264071542
>plus shit online
Judging from the streams the online is pretty consistently great, people have compared it to offline play at times almost no lag. But of course people with worse connections are going to shit things up from time to time.

>forcing everyone you play with to won a separate copy
Nearly everyone who owns a 3DS and regularly plays it will buy Smash Bros, this is a fact.

>>264071516
Awesome, will do, thanks for the tip!

I still don't know how to use the clawshot well when I'm midair but I'll keep trying (it's L right? should I press it with a direction?). If you have anymore tips, I'd love to hear 'em

>>264071542
>tfw in east coast of the US fucking A and playing with nips online with next to no lag

Then again I only play 1v1 online, so 4P matches may be another story. I like the controls on 3DS more than the GameCube controller but I just love handhelds.

>>264071740
Only the last one is, though, in case you haven't bothered to watch anyone play or don't have the game yourself.

Do we know Dedede's custom moves yet?

>>264071462
>>Olimar got buffs anyway
No he didn't. His aerials are laggier, and the lose of Pikmin Chain is a heavy blow to his stage control game.

>>264071961
Hit L in midair. You'll fire it in the direction you're facing.

>>264072203
Ok, thank you. Weird, everytime I tried that it didn't register and I fell to my death.

Why the fuck is OP bitching? Dedede is actually one of the better tiers.

It really sucks there's no single cart multiplayer

Metroid Prime Hunters was a staple with my group of friends and only one of us had a copy

You know what I like about Smash 4? No character is useless anymore. All the heavy characters either got speed buffs or their damage output is worth it.

Except for Ganon, he's still shit.

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>>264067654
What?! They fucked my main too.

>>264072483
I don't care how good or shit he is, SUPER ARMOR WARLOCK PUNCHES NIGGA

And I heard Flame Choke is a command grab on the ground now which is fucking awesome if that's true.

There's no more waddle dees? why live?

>>264072483
He finally gets a sword B move so he's good to me.

>>264071864
He's obviously atleast half joking, jesus christ, classic autism right there.

What's the strongest and the weakest character in the demo?

>>264072836
Pikachu is the weakest
Villager is the strongest because everyone else has projectiles

>>264072836
Villager and Mario are really good
Mega Man's the weakest if you don't know how to play him

>>264072836
The demo's strongest character is Villager, the weakest either Megaman or Pikachu

>>264072836

I'd say Link is strongest

Mega Man is weakest

>>264072483
Ganondorf looks better than his Brawl counterpart.

Which isn't saying a lot but whatever.

Also Mega Man is useless. Expect him to become the shit tier joke pick of the game quickly.

>>264070442
Megaman is fucked

>>264072836
Villager, Mario, and Link are great
Weakest are Mega Man and Pikachu

>>264072967

I would actually prefer Mega Man to be low tier just because I like playing low tier characters and MM is my favorite newcomer

But his moveset is just so fucking dull and boring and he's not very fun to play

>>264069824
Bro, I thought I was the only one who played Dedede for the waddle dees and waddle doos.

>>264072657
Flame choke was nerfed to shit. Thankfully he has useable side special customs.
>>264072818
The sword custom is his worst neutral b.

>>264072483
Falco is worthless, Zelda's still garbage, Ness isn't all that hot (they took away the charging hitbox on hist yoyos for some reason).

>>264070263
I wouldn't mind the changed smash if it weren't so shit.

>>264073207
>Ness isn't all that hot

wat. Ness got buffs all around. He's super solid now

I NEED FOOTAG AND INFOS ON MR. GAME & WATCH

WHAT ELSE SHOULD I KNOW ABOUT BESIDES HIS CUTE REDESIGN

>>264067654
they made him actually able to fight strong characters, Gordo toss is godlike.

>complaining about removing chain throws
KILL YOURSELF

I initially thought 100% gordos was kind of lame, but then I saw it in action and it looks amazing.

>>264073285
He lost his yoyo hitboxes, his dair is harder to hit, his bair is also pretty bad, PK Fire has too much end lag to be useful outside max range.

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHAT MEGAMANS CUSTOM MOVES ARE OTHER THAN SKULL BARRIER AND SHADOW BLADE

>>264073651
Yes, look them up.

>>264073750
but I want to talk to a real human about such things not google

>>264073651
B
2. Hyper Bomb
3. Shadow Blade

Left/Right
2. Ice Slasher
3. Danger Wrap

Up
2. Tornado Hold
3. Beat

Down
2. Skull Barrier
3. Plant Barrier

>>264073651
There's a really good write up in neogaf that shows the custom moves, their properties and even has pictures for some characters.

>>264071032
>>No waddle dees because of 3DS limitations
>>Only 3 pikmin because of 3DS limitations

I think they changed those for balancing and consistency purposes, rather than limitations.

>>264073404
>holds the torch of his Fsmash with two hands now
>is pretty fucking small
>has a custom move that either gives you a 1 or a 9 when you use Judgment

There would be more info if fucking streamers actually use him.

>>264073651

B:
Shadow Blade
Hyper Bomb (Tosses an arched bomb)

Side B:
Danger Wrap (Bubble floats up)
Ice Clasher (Shoots ice thing that freezes, useless)

Down B:
Skull barrier
Plant Shield (Petals do more damage, doesn't travel as far when thrown)

Down B:
Beat
Tornado Hold

>>264074035
shhh let the waddle autists speak

>>264071542
>And the shitty controls

Nigga it takes you maybe like 10 minutes to adjust to them, you some kind of c-stick faggot loser?

>>264070104
Don't fucking insult women, this guy is just a faggot

>>264071662

Isn't he that way in Project M too? He also has a specific order that his pikmin come out in now so you can plan ahead. His recovery isn't a fucking tether anymore either. Those seem like overall buffs to me.

>>264074221

It's more the horrible 3DS ergonomics and tiny ass buttons that are the problem

Seriously I don't think I've ever owned a less comfortable handheld

>>264074635
You never owned a regular GBA?

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Isabelle will never ever be playable

>>264073207
>Zelda still garbage

She actually is pretty decent and is one of the few chars that can kill at 80% light chars since they buffed her aerials. also her recovery now is quicker and favors the ledge and you don't have to really aim for it anymore

I'd say shes a 6.7/10

>>264070104
>You sound like a fucking woman.

>>>/r9k/

>>264073404
His moves no longer have really any hangtime, they gave it all to duckhunt

>>264074764
Good. She can remain true to her role in New Leaf and do nothing.

>>264074635

I have an XL and it feels fine to me, I mean it's not as good as a Gamecube controller but what the fuck do you expect?

how is marth/lucina faring out?

No Masked Dedede
No Kirby Triple Deluxe stage with Queen as Stage Boss
No Kirby Hyper Super Nova as his Final Smash, instead just a sword Final Smash that looks like a repaint of Link/Toon Link

Why even bother living

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>>264074427
>>264074818

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>>264069875
>Half the pikmin count is a HUGE Nerf for obvious reasons
>to make matters worse pikmins are 2slow to keep up with Olimar
>aerials are now slow
>Pikmin Pattern doesn't help for shit
>recovery encourages the player to return in a vulnerable state

Jesus, t-they neutered him

where are his testicles? atleast the item pickup is cool

>>264075020

Lucina looks good and looks like she's going to replace Marth in the competitive scene due to his nerfs.

>>264074635
1.- Own a 3DS XL
2.- Stop having ham hands

>>264075020
Literally both the same, only difference is taunts. same physics, they BOTH have tippers. also the tip box was shrunk alot and not nearly as easy to get triggering. Easiest moves to get it on are f-tilt and downair

>>264074586
He has 4 Pikmin in PM, which is a better amount than 3 since 3 barely leaves Olimar with options. And Pikmin Chain was more of a stage control attack than a recovery, so loosing that was a bad thing.

>>264075137
Why would you want stage bosses
3D was way too new for Smash.

>Jigglypuff's Final Smash isn't YOOM-TAH

Dissapointing

>>264067654
Waddle dee was useless, I'm glad they changed it

>>264075137
Masked Dedede's only good for the song
Maybe it will be in the Wii U version, stage bosses are shit, and only her song should make it in
It's from Return to Dream Land and Hyper Nova was trash. If anything, it should have been Mic or Crash

>>264075205
Olimar is still alright he has a lot of priority for some reason on like all his moves.

>>264075265

I own and XL and have baby hands (5'8, 125 lbs manlet) and the damn thing is still way too small for me. Hands cramp like crazy

The standard 3DS with the CCP felt really nice though

>>264075364
jigglypuff has been returned to almost WoP melee tier

>>264070414
...whose dick?

>>264075479

No excuse, I'm 5'7" 160 lbs and have small hands too and I hold and play with my XL just fine.

>>264075670
>that fucking damage
Why does she hit like a fucking truck.

>>264075670
And can actually combo into rest again.

Anyone else notice Sakurai's bullshit? He adds TWO characters to his own series [Kirby last game, Kid Icarus this time] literally TRIPLING the amount of playable chars.

He's done it twice now. While Metroid, DK, Mother, F-Zero, etc are left to rot.

>>264075670
And got adorable eyes

>>264067654
>think "I don't really care about smash anymore"
>get a demo code randomly from a friend of a friend
>"I guess I'll try it"
>start playing
>controls feels so good
>perfectly smooth frame rate
>beat every character with every character on level 7, 8 and then 9
>can't stop playing as Mario
>look up from DS
>6 hours have passed.

Fuck you Nintendo. Your advertisement in the form of a demo worked on me.

>>264067654
I didn't play Dedede much in Brawl, but I'm hyped to play him in Smash 4.

>>264075875
>He adds TWO characters to his own series
And TWO from Fire Emblem, plus NINE for Mario. What's your point?

>>264075875
His favoritism is getting out of hand.

>>264076118

I didn't think Sakurai liked Fire Emblem that much though

>>264076016
>look up from DS
There's a clock on the bottom screen.
>>264076118
Yeah, he really likes Mario.

>>264075875

>Metroid

Metroid doesn't need another rep, full stop.

>DK

I agree they do need somebody like Dixie or Cranky but whatever.

>F-Zero

F-Zero hasn't had a game since the GBA and Gamecube days, hell Falcon's moveset itself is recycled from what Smash was gonna be before it became Smash.

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>Hated Bowser in Melee and Brawl
>Hated Charizard in Brawl
>They are both now one of my most used characters in Smash 4
>Pac Man replaced Ike
>Villager turned into a replacement Snake

I did not see this coming, my mains are completely changed now. I also never thought I would enjoy playing as Wendy as much as I do. Trying to get good with little mac and jigglypuff too.

>>264075875
DK deserves something by now, maybe Dixie or Cranky
F-Zero only needs CF and new stages and music.
Mother loosing Mother 3 content really sucks, I'll admit.
All Metroid needs is just more Prime content, Dark Samus or Ridley would be fine playable characters, but I'm not too mad at them not being reps.

>no more chain grabs
>oh no i have to work for my kills now :(

>>264076079
As long as Mario is being represented, that is why Nintendo is paying him. Same with Pokemon and Game Freak. Everyother series that isn't Sakurai's favorite gets the shaft.

>>264070585
one if his alternates should be throwing waddle doos. Those cyclopean balls get no love

>>264076248

I forgot Mother, Mother's a dead fucking series there's probably some reason he removed Lucas. At least you get the Magicant stage.

>>264067654
>no more qt waddle dees walking on stage

dropped

>>264076365
And IS. I'm willing to bet my life that they lobbied to have Lucina be a clone instead of an alt.

>>264076365
>Everyother series that isn't Sakurai's favorite gets the shaft
All the series with two reps or lower are dead or became shit.

>>264076365

Sakurai isn't planning to even make another KI game, he's done with the series, he probably figured he'd put them in because they're probably not gonna get another shot for who knows how long.

>>264076470

>Mother
>Dead series
>not an immortal establishment commemorating what video games are truly capable of

Were you born with such shit opinions?

The worst part is that his gordos can be hit back at him. His back air sucks now too.

>>264076841
are you retarded? itoi literally said the series is done

>>264076779
Donkey Kong isn't dead and it got better.

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>>264076246
>There's a clock on the bottom screen.

I genuinely didn't notice and now I feel retarded.

Undertale is basically a Mother game so it kind of lives on in a way

>>264076841

Opinions have literally NOTHING to do with it, The director of the Mother said he's DONE with the series after Mother 3, D-O-N-E. It's over, there hasn't been a Mother game since the GBA. It's ofically dead.

>>264076841
Pretty sure he meant dead as in it really is since the fucking creator won't be making any more games in the series.

>>264077138
Yeah, I like EarthBound and everything, but the travesty that is Mother 3 makes me think it's good to be put to rest.

>>264077138
It doesn't need any more, it's over. People need to learn that finished things should be left alone.

>>264072429
If you're helpless (or "special falling") you can't use tethers in midair, or anything really, just direct your fall and grab ledges. Using Spin Attack makes you helpless, so you have to fire the clawshot before using your up-B

>>264076841
>Were you born with such shit opinions?

Why were you born without a brain? Itoi's done with the Mother series, there will never be a non-fan made Mother 4.

>>264077390

>the travesty that is Mother 3

I've heard it's pretty good, hell, my little brother loves the series and he beat that Mother 3 multiple times.

>>264076079
nine for mario?
where are you getting that number?

>>264077428
The only way I'd want Mother to come back as a series is if they reboot it, and have it be "jrpg written and designed by actual authors" since that's what Mother basically is.
Just keep the same general gameplay and go crazy with everything. Even change the name if they want.

>>264075137
>>264075401
They ought to introduce custom Final Smashes.

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I suppose he'll get his chance another day.

>>264077941
Considering how half assed custom moves already are, and how awful most FS are, I don't.

>>264077929
>"jrpg written and designed by actual authors" since that's what Mother basically is.

All three mother games have a central theme and specific tone though. The juxtaposition of childlike presentation and charming humor against darker background themes is largely why people like the series

>>264077919

Mario, Luigi, Bowser, Peach, Dr. Mario, Rosalina and if you wanna get technical, Wario, Yoshi, and DK

>>264078173
They should just cut final smashes.

>>264078324
You forgot bowser jr

>>264078510

I had him typed down but deleted him for some reason.

>>264078324
oh, the other anon was talking about just additions too smash, not returning characters.

>>264078173

Apparently some of Ganondorf's custom moves have him use his sword.

>>264073935
>>264074039
just curious, but how far does shadow blade go? I would assume it would be maybe 1/2 or 3/4 as far compared to metal blade

>>264070263
>what is smash run?

>>264073935
oh fuck Mega Man had an ice attack? How many other ice attacks are there, I only know Kirby's ice breath

>>264070263
That doesn't make any sense.

>>264070263

I'll take "You don't know what the fuck you're talking about" for 800

>>264079315
Luigi fireball

I think he's nerfed a little bit as an individual character. His useful moves from the last game (bair, up til, down tilt) are now less useful.

However, because of the general changes to the mechanics of the game, he's also been buffed in a way.

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>>264079503
>ice attack
>luigi fireball

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>>264074038
>>has a custom move that either gives you a 1 or a 9 when you use Judgment

>>264079876
Luigi has an Ice color scheme, genius.

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>>264079503
>mfw luigi doesnt get a thunderhand custom

>>264079483

Sakurai admitted they could get 4 Ice Climbers running on the 3DS at once

I'd imagine having 4 DDDs throwing Waddle Dees or 4 Olimar's with 24 pikmin running about would have similar issues

>>264080020
does it make his fireball freeze?

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>>264067886

>>264079876

>What is an ice flower?

>>264080168
>Sakurai admitted they could get 4 Ice Climbers running on the 3DS at once

Source nigga? Every article I've seen says Sakurai cut them for technical reasons.

>>264080267
something not in smash?

>>264079876

Look it up, genius.

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Luigi_%28SSB4%29#Special_Moves

>>264080575
then say "luigi iceball" not "fireball"
it's not fucking fire if it freezes

>>264080535

See >>264080575

>>264067886
They were fine. It's no different than a combo and it took a bit of skill to actually pull off without letting them get away. It was fun on stages where you could do it forever, and a legitimate way to move a play from one side of a stage to the other.

>>264080535
Until now. Luigi has an Ice Flower color scheme, and one of his customs is an iceball.

>>264080694
It's to say that there's an ice version of Luigi's fireball.

>>264080830
>>264080747
oh cool

I kind of wish that, given the time they had, they try to reinvent some of the final smashes...

I mean, there's absolutely no reason why they couldn't work in something more inspired for Yoshi, or call in an Arwing strike for Falco instead of giving him the fucking landmaster.

But even then, they essentially just reused all the other shit out of brawl as well, Falcon's doesn't even look different.

I dunno...I mean, it's whatever, but too copy paste for my tastes.

>>264080694

I'm not even the original poster, but are you gonna be that much of a faggot? Neo/v/ really is the worst.

>>264080575
>No Thunderhand
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>264080969
>if they are stupid they are neo /v/

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>>264080152
>Luigi will never get thunderhand

>>264080392

*Couldn't

typo

>>264080817
Except DDD had legit infinite chain grabs on most characters, including all heavies (even on HIMSELF)

>>264080575

http://www.ssbwiki.com/Samus_%28SSB4%29#Special_Moves

>One of Samus's custome moves is the Shinespark

HOLY FUCK I NEED THIS GAME.

>>264080935
I don't know what else Yoshi could do. His FS is a combination of his Fireballs and his Wings when you swallow Koopa shells. Also, Falcon's FS is literally the only thing taken from his game.

Do people actually play with final smashes? They're pretty boring after the first few times, don't really feel satisfying to use, and completely ruin the pacing of a match. Even as a casual player I've never enjoyed them

What the fuck was up with Luigi's brawl final smash

>>264081480
I find Dragoon to be a better "power item" than Smash Balls since they do cramatically change the pace of the match but in a better way since it's more dynamic.

>>264081401

All i'm saying is that I was hoping they didn't recycle so much for the sake of some new surprises.

Off the top of my head, the only new ones from returning characters I saw were ZSS and Rob.
Sheik is a stand alone now, does she really need Zelda's FS? Same with the chick from Fire Emblem essentially having Marth's.

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>>264081696
ZA WARUDO

>>264080168
Yet having a giant map with dozens of enemies plus 4 players plus random events such as RESPAWING 15+ BULLET BILLS ON SCREEN is fine, eh?

>>264081881
>Lucina has Marth's FS
>Doesn't even add the cut-ins from Awakening
IT'S FUCKING SHIT

>>264077390
>Mother 3 is a travesty
Fuck off with that shit taste.

>>264081881
There was also Charizard, Luigi, Pit, Kirby, Dedede, Lucario,

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http://youtu.be/w1gtuP5z6lg?t=1m50s

>>264082172

>That I remembered

You're right though, but why keep so many of the others? It's just a minor annoyance, but it still comes off as lazy to me.

>>264082072

Yes, but if you had ice climbers in the game you'd have to account for that giant map with dozens of enemies plus random events such as RESPAWING 15+ BULLET BILLS ON SCREEN and 4 pairs of ice climbers

It's the upper end that needs to be considered

>>264081705
Daybreak is pretty good too, but both got nerfed from instant kills

WIth tripping gone, does Diddy still have his banana's?

Fucking loved playing the shit out of that monkey and would be seriously disappointed if that shit was taken from him.

>>264082345
Because 4 IS lazy. Even though Brawl had that gigantic tumor SSE it still managed to revamp more.

>>264082487
Yes but now he can only have 1 peel at a time.

>>264082487
Bananas trip, some characters also have moves that cause trips. Samus has tripping bombs.

>>264082487
One at a time. Also destroyable.

>>264082670

Fucking retarded.

>>264082487
He's still got them. But he can only throw one now and if he throws another afterwards, the previous banana disappears
Tripping only happens with bananas and a few other items, no random tripping

>>264081696
It was his resentment for Mario hogging the spotlight all the time

>>264082487
tripping is still in, but random tripping isn't
and diddy can only have 1 banana out at any time. plus glide toss isn't a thing anymore. he has better range and a ridiculous up b, but lost some mind game stuff.

>>264082593
all the characters have their animations redone, and most gained new attacks.

>>264082469
No, i meant the Waddle Dees. I can understand IC, but "Waddle Dees were cut for the 3DS" is dumb.

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it's pre-e3 2013, hype for Smash 4 is high and you're posting in a character predictions thread

someone posts this fan roster and says
>hey guys these are my predictions, please rate

how do you respond

>>264082896
>and diddy can only have 1 banana out at any time. plus glide toss isn't a thing anymore. he has better range and a ridiculous up b, but lost some mind game stuff.

This upsets me.

>>264083000
Probably for the sake of less random elements.

>>264083080
Who the fuck is Random?

>>264083080

>Miis

get that faggot shit out of my game. WHERE THE FUCK IS GENO!?

>>264083080
>Dark Pit

Yeah fucking right. Why would they put a palette swap in as an actual character?

>>264083080
Why is Doc Mario, Dark Pit, and Lucina all seperate from their series'?

>>264083080
Here's some of the things I would say:

>Yoshi being mixed in with the Mario characters.
>Dark Pit AND Palutena
>Four Fire Emblem reps.
>Ice Climbers cut.

But other than that, pretty good roster prediction, friend.

>Take Brawler Mii's moveset
>Just make it Knuckle Joe instead

Would have been so much better. Or would you 'muh favoritism' faggots bitch about that too

>>264082172
I miss Luigi's old one

>>264083080
>Dark Pit
Are you fucking kidding me, Sakurai could never be that lazy.

>>264083445
They get to be in the Clone Corner

>>264077390
>travesty

I heard Japan despises Mother 3 for the most part, is this true?

>>264083080
I feel as if the number of characters stagnated or got worse for some reason.

>>264083080
Bringing Dr. Mario back seems like an odd choice, and I'm surprised characters like Bowser Jr, Shulk and Duck Hun were added.

Everything else seems reasonable.

>>264085347
>Bringing Dr. Mario back seems like an odd choice

Probably because Melee bitches wanted Mario Tornado back and his old dair back, even tho Sakurai buffed Flood a lot in SSB4.

>>264086152
It's still useless.

>>264086389

>It's still useless.

Not according to the pros.

>that feel when my eternal main Kirby is more fun to play than ever
I don't know if it's any changes they made or if it's because I haven't really played Smash in years...
also trying to main Palutena cause she is hot but I really suck at playing slow as fuck characters... have to figure out how to use those...

>>264086750
>smash ~pros~
fucking lol

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>>264086920

>Denying that Smash has a competitive scene full of players who can and do play the game better than you ever could

Stay Delusional

>>264071956
>that feel when no friends who own a 3DS
feels terrible man

>>264083080
>bowser jr
It's shit

>>264087469
You've got us anon
are you ready for the daily smash generals?

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>>264087280
>play the game better than I ever could
>shit their pants and start crying when you turn items on or play on a stage that has hazards

>>264070760
but you can't jump out of his down air, so its an incredibly risk trying to spike someone with it

>>264088107
>"m-mommy they're not playing wif my favwite items wahhh"
Adapt, scrub

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>>264088107

>shit their pants and start crying when you turn items on or play on a stage that has hazards

Get a load of this faggot!

>>264088040
yeah I'm totally looking forward to those man and also really looking forward to just playing with some bros from /v/.
But it's just not the same as local multiplayer with IRL friends...
I'm wondering how much I would get my ass kicked when playing people from /v/. I can beat level 9 CPU's but that's about it... never really played too much against human opponents and I don't really know about any technical stuff

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I was just watching the GameXplain stream and they were fighting master core and when they got to the actual core they waited instead of attacking and they got destroyed by it. Anyone else know about this?

>>264088838

What!? That happens? That's pretty cool, I wondered why the fuck they put that last part in there.

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>>264088387
>telling someone to adapt when you can't do the same for items and stage hazards

>>264070263
I think it's similar to Ice Climber reason. I think When DDD throws a waddle dee/doo, the character can walk around the stage for bit similar to an AI imagine. Having alot out on the playing stage like have 4 DDD all throwing multiple Waddle Dee/doos probably too much for 3DS to handle, the same reason why having too many IC on stage could fuck the game.

I could be wrong as I don't know much about making games and it's capability, but this my guess base on various information shown.

>>264089467

Nigga I play both, I switch between the two when I play with friends.

>>264088838
I was watching a stream yesterday and the dude explained that if you wait too long to kill it it'll rise into the air and "get a kill on you"
Pretty neat but not sure why it's like that

>>264067654
How is Sonic? He was my main in brawl and project m, and every time I managed to be a threat, with or without tourney rules.

>>264088107
It's because items and stage hazards are randomized.

In the tournament they had at E3 the zero suit samus guy just used her speed to grab the smash ball three times and blow everyone away.

>>264089993
then why the hell are you yelling at some guy on an online imageboard for dissing competitive smash players, faggot

>>264090118
still salty about that

>>264090278

Competitive smashers are still WAY better than the average player, just because tournies don't play with items doesn't mean they suddenly they become drooling babbies when items are on. Hell they could probably kill you without items while you're using items.

>>264090080
Way better. Has combos, kill power, and way better approaching with HA, Spin jumps and dash attacks.

>>264090334
No, I didn't really care. I was just giving an example from smash for where if you have items on and the right character you can cheese for the win.

>>264083080
>pokemon
there is literally no pokemon important enough to get in that isn't in already
except for mewtwo

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>Not maining Ness

What does it feel like to not enjoy Smash Bros?

>>264090860
I meant I was
smug bastard just camped the last match

>>264090626
Are his aerial attacks pretty much the same? His aerial game was my specialty, and I learned how to use the spring perfectly to get combos.

any of the custom moves worth having or stay with original moves?

>>264068062
No. He's carried by Waddle Dees for his intro and he's got Waddle Dees in one of his victory pose and that's it.

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So now that the dust has settled can we all agree that Smash 4 is a lame Brawl 2.0 defensive piece of shit?

>>264090967
But i do main ness, anon.
It's obviously the only good choice.

>>264067654
>Waddle dee is gone

Welp, looks like I'm not gonna buy smash 4 unless it's an unlockable?

Apparently DI isn't in Smash 4, but rather a completely new mechanic that lets you directly change the knockback you receive and can make you live even longer and turn combos useless.

>>264091062
Samus customs seem to have better options than her regulars.

>>264070852
That's probably why there's no random waddle dee/dos, no Big Gay Dance and no Za Warudo either. Probably also why there's no changing characters like Samus/ZSS, Zelda/Sheik or Red.

Have tourneyfags started making tiers already? Who's considered objectively good this time around?

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>>264075670

>They've Buffed The Puff

Fuck yes. Can't wait to play as the little puff & purr again.

He literally plays the same in Brawl. Maybe you just didn't know how to play him.

>>264091062
pikachu's neutral has a stun, mario has a quick straight fireball which is great for pressure, and you'll want to at least switch out megaman's leaf shield

>>264091571
That character you hate, the character you like is objectively the worst in the game.

>>264091241
I don't know. I'd only make the conclusion after having played the game with the entire roster for myself first before assuming anything. Plus, we should see if the WiiU version has any changes to it if it exists.

It looks like it plays like 64 2.0 more than anything at the moment.

>>264091062
A lot of them are straight upgrades such as all of Palutena's

>>264091571
No tiers yet but pretty much everyone got buffed from Brawl besides fag-knight and olimar

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>>264091241

>>264091571
from the shofu stream:
>How can there be tiers if the game isn't out in the west
>don't listen to M2K, he's stupid

I think it's still too early to tell

>>264091884
I would laugh hard if Dark Pit ended up being top tier. I kind of hope that happens.

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>>264091241

2/10 b8

put some effort into it next time

>>264092201
Dark Pit isn't that bad

I wanted Kirby's new final smash to be Microphone.

>>264092201

Clones top tier confirmed, originalfags btfo

>tfw glorious Dr Mario

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>>264067654
I hate how autistic this nigger looks.

>>264093003

This is the creature that stole all the food in a land because he was hungry.

>>264092363
I actually don't mind him being in the roster. I just like seeing /v/ get mad about him.

>>264091346
Sauce

>>264091346

Doesn't make combos useful because the amount you fly back is still set.

>>264091241
To me it feels like Smash 4.0

>>264093452

*useless

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>>264093283
http://smashboards.com/threads/vectoring-the-replacement-to-directional-influence-in-smash-4.368780/

And it's completely intentional since it has a name in Smash 4.

>>264093452
You can potentially lower or increase your knockback while keeping the same hitstun, so proper "vectoring" will make combos useless.

>>264093452
you can literally control the knockback you suffer with this

>>264093667
>so proper "vectoring" will make combos useless.

Pros don't seem to think it's much of a problem.

>>264093881

You can influence it, not control it

>>264070053
the clawshot requires pinpoint accuracy and it really should only be used to grab people from a distance.

jump jump up b is the best way to recover for link due to the fact that it also protects link with a flurry of sword slashes while he recovers. Link's simple. keep it simple with him, don't be fancy in a real match until you've got some serious practice.

>>264075362
Do you know why it was a stage control attack? Because it was a shit recovery.
He is much better with his new recover, especially since this new Smash has much more off-stage play.

>>264094270
He's not better if he loses one of his best attacks.

>>264094092
If you get hit with a straight vertical attack, you can hold down to lower it's knockback, or hold up to increase the knockback.

>>264093949
Because it's been discovered just now.

>>264079315
Ness has Lucas' PK Freeze

>>264095185

They'll adapt, they're all about that after all.

>>264094998
He's better in 4 if he can survive being thrown in those huge ass blast zones.

>>264095389
Adapting will mean less combos and longer living characters.

>>264095654

Depends on how much you can influence the knockback. At early percents you're probably still gonna get comboed.

>>264095428
He gains a better recovery and loses his godly aerials and great stage control options.

>>264095917
Nope. Proper vectoring will turn a Shiek dthrow > uair 80% combo into something that doesn't work at 40%

>>264096480
>Nope. Proper vectoring will turn a Shiek dthrow > uair 80% combo into something that doesn't work at 40%


Sauce, nigga?

>>264096620
>
In conclusion, this is absolutely one of the biggest mechanical changes in Smash 4 in the context of competitive play. Throws that would normally combo well into the 80s against many characters such as Sheik's Dthrow, Rob's Dthrow, etc. become purely positional throws quite early in a stock if you hold upward. Moves that would otherwise kill you off the top, don't. If for some reason you'd like to die earlier off the top, this is the first smash game to allow you to do so.

http://smashboards.com/threads/vectoring-the-replacement-to-directional-influence-in-smash-4.368780/

>>264093667
>does not function similarly at all to Directional Influence
>trying to "DI" as one would in a previous smash game does literally nothing to help you live
>This is mechanically different from Direction Influence entirely

It's still pretty similar to how you use DI. Why do these people keep saying that it's ENTIRELY different? And that it's LITERALLY nothing like DI?

And if I have to hear people actually call this "vectoring" then I will cringe every time.

>>264096804
>If for some reason you'd like to die earlier off the top, this is the first smash game to allow you to do so
GoTY

>>264096804

I wonder if this will be a good thing or a bad thing in the end.

>>264093949
It's a problem because people are surviving at around 170% and some characters lack the proper KO moves to overcome that hurdle.

>>264096804
>combos are kill
IT'S HAPPENING
BRAWL 2.0
CANCEL YOUR PRE-ORDERS, 4 IS FINISHED

>>264081696
Araki called and said he'd drink Sakurai's blood if he pulled something like that again.

>>264097450

>Overreactions the post

>>264097163
It's mechanically different, which it is. The reason why you see combos happening right now is because people are trying to "DI" like the old games, when it doesn't actually exist. The concept is similar to DI, but how it actually works is completely different.

>>264083080
>Pac-Man
Nice meme
>Wanting Dr. Mario instead of Mewtwo
Faggot
>Making up a character out of a pallet swap