Is it possible to make a game where the main character isn't a straight white male that isn't SJW pandering?
Just make them like Omar from The Wire. Badass who everyone is afraid of who also HAPPENS to be both black and gay. Just have a good character who likes to bang dudes instead of women. No one should give a shit.
All you quinnposters want to talk about is SJWs, social activism and ecelebs.
Ever heard of video games?
>tfw all these problem could had been avoided if game devs had bet for RTS faceless main character insted of jumping the FPS bandwagon
You can even make her a dyke and still pull it off.
get your head out of the fucking sand
Prosecutor General of the Republic of Crimea
>protagonist is a well written black person
>no one has a problem with it
>protagonist is an over the top stereotype of a brotha tryin to get outta the game
>no one has a problem with it
>protagonist is a well written female character (white or asian)
>people love it
>protagonist is a bimbo
>everyone hates the design but the gameplay mite b cool
I think it's basically black women that get the short end of the stick, The last time I saw black chicks in a game was unreal tournament 2k4 and enter the matrix, and those were over ten years ago.
Though honestly I'd like more games that have non mexican south american characters, a game set over here would be a nice change. I'm kind of bummed out that everyone digs mexico over the rest of us because of the cool dia de los muertos and lucha libre stuff.
You either know the answer and are trolling, or you play video games about once a year and should probably lurk more.
Either way, stop.
>lollipop chainsaw comes out with a model contest looking for women to cosplay as a blonde cheer leader
>everyone is fine with it
guess the game wasnt high profile enough to warrent an sjw attack
I remember it getting a lot of negative feedback (mainly over some booth babe controversy and not the game itself). I guess even just a few years ago gaming journalism wasn't so trigger happy yet.
... We've REALLY gone downhill since then, huh?
Yes. Pic related is a great example.
I'm making a game with a main female character named Juliet that has long blonde hair and is supposed to be beautiful. She's not going to be anything special, and there is no "girl power" shit. She's gonna be mostly silent with a few speaking lines where in one she tells a feminist to shut the fuck up, and just fuck shit up with her powers she gained from being experimented on by aliens.
FUCK YOU ALL
THERE ARE LIKE 5 THREADS ABOUT SJWs
ON FRONTPAGE ONLY
I WANTED TO INSULT PEOPLE OVER VIDEOGAMES NOT DRAMA ANS SHITSTORMS
Nobody likes black women.
Not even black men like black women, they all want to fuck white women.
No one likes their attitude, their facial structure or their aggressive unfaithfulness.
>IP rots for years
>EA desperate for good press
>Anita brought in as a consultant for the sequel/reboot/whatever
If you make them attractive then the feminazis and beta white knights still hate it.
When a minority character's ethnicity has little to do with the story, /v/ complains about the character's ethnicity not adding to the story at all and just being there to pander.
When a minority character's ethnicity is a large aspect of their character, /v/ complains about it being SJW shit.
YOU HAVE 15 SECONDS TO COME UP WITH A FEMALE VIDYA PROTAGONIST THAT HAS POTENTIAL FOR A GOOD GAME
Considering that's ALL THEY ACTUALLY WANT.
That being said, is it possible to make a game that is pandering to the most radical of social justice warriors, at all?
No it's not.
Yes. Don't have retarded dialogue that speaks out about your character's race, ethnicity, sexual orientation, or gender like its bigger deal then it has to be. Its not revolutionary nor shows 'great progress' as a society.
Also, don't market your game as having an X protagonist because you know its shit and the only way to attempt making profit.
I really wish the after life is like this game.
not not white enough as far as the SJW loons are concerned
Pandering games are bad games anyway.
They just make them so the hipster feminists can fawn over how "progressive" it is, meanwhile the gameplay is ass and anyone that criticizes it is deemed an MRA bigot cishet misogynist
all grills must bow before the master and submit their power to him
YOU ARE A SHORTSTACK FLIGHT ATTENDANT
YOU HAVE BAD LUCK AND EVERY FLIGHT YOU GET A TERRORIST THAT WANTS TO JIHAD
YOU MUST DO TACTICAL ATTENDANT MISSIONS TO PREVENT JIHAD
THE FINAL BOSS IS DB COOPER
the "romance to power up" mechanic was so fucking bull
>pick someone to talk too
>they give you a vague question
>either guess right, save scum, or use a guide
>if you guess wrong you are fucked forever
Absolutely fucking impossible OP.
You see, there are millions of games with non-human protagonists, female protagonists, black, hispanic, middle-eastern, asian protagonists, crippled protagonists, gay protagonists and whatever little fetishized difference you guys love to wear as badges as something that makes you different from a blank, boring slate that is both yourself, your life and your perspectives. But those games are NEVER EVER going to exist
for youbecause simply put, you're not looking to play them. You don't want to play them. You avoid them.
You avoid games, you'll never play any game with any difference because you watch whatever are the new releases that are marketed to 90% of the gaming players (here is where you need to think a little, turn in your answer before the end of this post) and complain that they aren't pandering anything to your loud minority that doesn't buy games but love to complain about them.
Much like the superhardcore audience who constantly whine and tantrum about casualization games, failing to realizes they are the crushing minority.
why should i have to make a character like that just to seem "progressive" and not "pandering"
why cant any one be non pandering or socially progressive. gaming shouldn't be about making people feel good about themselves or feel special. i want to have fun and if fun means my character has massive tits or be a "male power fantasy" then why cant it. im paying for it, siting down and playing it and enjoying it. im not forcing any kind of world view on others or treating others with disrespect because of said fact that i found it fun. on the flip side if i played a gay dude and had fun doing so why is that pandering. a fun game and a well written character isn't about race gender or orientation. its when those characters are inserted just to seem " progressive ' or when the tit monster is just obvious fan service that i don't approve, yet i don't complain about it because on the flip side i like titties and don't want people to tell me i shouldn't.
>you will never be friends or have a girlfriend who is a sonic fan
Long as they're making updates
I don't understand why people are always up in arms about this shit.
Disclaimer: I am a big ol' homo
I don't know why people are so crazy about representation in games, unless you have a very specific story related reason why being gay is important for either character development or for the main overarching plot then just leave it alone and don't pander.
I'm fine with straight being the default because it is, I'm abnormal, I'm the non standard one and I'm really fine with that being reflected by the media i consume.
I also really, REALLY don't want to see hamfisted "gay" characters written by women with a point to prove either.
When making a female protagonist, never try and make it apparent you are playing a female. Make the character first, you can't have to mentality "hey I am making a female character now" Make the character and if the character happens to be female, that is what makes good foundations for the character.
If i am honest, no i did not
You maybe want something like okami then
That's a good point, I don't think I've ever seen anyone complain that there's too many white female characters compared to the black ones.
Although I doubt black women are playing video games, that's honestly not a image I can realistically picture.
>mfw OP hasn't played Marble Madness
Yeah, of course. Notice how no one ever complains about Asian representation.
Because Japan makes so many games that have Japanese characters.
Ryu isn't white and he's one of the most recognizable main characters in all of vidya.
I agree with you. I don't give two shits about race or sexuality. My point was that his character wasn't defined by those traits at all and was just gay and black, it was never forced down anyone's throats or made into a huge progressive issue. He just had boyfriends instead of girlfriends and you could make him straight and the story wouldn't change at all. It's the best example I've seen so far of it.
Which is why every time I see Bioware saying or a news outlet reporting how gay this character is or how awesome the relationships are it's preposterous. If no one paid attention to race and sexuality there would be no problems with either. But everyone has to continue to be retarded.
Does it count if she's a girl with a dude's soul in her body?
>Saints Row IV
>Make a bisexual sassy black woman
>It transitions very well
How many people here would wanna play a GTA game as a bisexual sassy black woman who don't need no man? Honest question /v/
The SJW pandering comes from the media, NOT the creators themselves. If I learned anything from this shit with Quinn, it's that they turn EVERYTHING into an agenda.
>Game happens to have female character
>OH MY GOD A HERO OF WOMAN'S RIGHTS
>Creator can't say shit because they'd make him a monster
>Has to make emone so panders out of blackmail
How many vidya games are there where I can play as a fat black woman? This is important.
Doesn't really do anything that SJWs might like since she kicks the crap out of stuff and is still vulnerable as fuck.
I played SrIV: as big gay al, the flyin' fat cunt
Enjoyed it way more
Don't think so. She's possessed by an edgelord, so both main characters are basically guys. Never even remember her doing anything of value by herself, but i've played Muramasa like five years ago.
Just concepts so far. This is that one game I want to make before I die because I want to get into game development. Though my idea doesn't fit into any genre I can think of, it's so fucking unique. I've been brainstorming it for over a year now. I'd actually draw concept art if I could fucking draw.
I actually planned on making her a male first. I actually just changed her to a female so I could add a love story portion that makes sense without the male ending up gay. Which having her be straight just fucks with them even more.
And the love interest dies, which just pisses her off, so it's not even focused on it as story. I've put more thought into gameplay and making it work than I have the few loose pieces of story I have so far.
All the AC backlash man, it's like they never played the fucking games. Ass creed 4 was basically stronk womyn: the game and they still blew their titties off with rage about the new one.
Why don't they just play video games anons? Whyyyy
She's basically the weakest Castlevania protagonist. Even Drakula himself just dicked around most of the fight intead of fighting seriously and mocked her in dialogue.
Plus she has an older bro who did most of the heavy lifting just to save her.
1 . Take any game where the MC is a male and his gender doesn't play an important role in the story (No medieval knights, or military shooters, etc.)
2 . Make the MC female
There you go, you now have a female vidya protagonist with potential.
Transistor was absolutely anti-sjw while having actual degenerates in it.
Whole catastrophe could've been avoided if one lesbian weren't so jealous of hetero couple with strong male lead. Two other degenerates are just offing themself instead of trying to at least somehow fix the situation. And the main heroine is basically just a sword carrier, sword protects her and helps her to plan the battle.
When Jinkuro's soul get's eaten by a demon in hell, Momohime tricks the demon into eating her whole so she can go into his stomach and save Jinkuro and cement her place as best vidya waifu as all time
I was just thinking about that today, and remembered that this game existed. Granted, the white guy is in the middle of the cover, but he's Swedish and no one picked him to play as. The other options are a Black-Korean former spec-ops dude (the only American option) and a British-Chinese chick whose in it because she's an Independent Womyn.
Of course no one fucking bought it.
>TFW you don't understand why more developers don't do serious games with furry protags, which allows you to comment on race without stepping on anyone's toes because they're fucking animal people
Also more androgynous protags. Why play to the controversy when you can just dodge it?
Nah I'm totally cool with all that, it's why I'm not so insecure as to believe that making up less than 4-5 percent of the population means we need to have representation in every game because I don't need positive reinforcement all the fucking time.
I share similar opinions to these niggas.
People shouldn't be all up in arms about a fictional character's race or sexuality or bathroom habits or whatever. They should be judged as characters. If their ONLY defining trait is that they're black or gay or female or whatever, it makes them incredibly weak as characters for the sake of "representation".
I feel like one of two things could be utilized here, but those require devoting time to fleshing out an idea to make it interesting which a lot of AAA companies aren't willing to do:
>Have said trait not be the sole defining point of the character, or even make it completely irrelevent to the context of the game's plot. Like what >>260390363 said, make them a good character who happens to be black or gay or both
>Make it a defining point of the character, but actually elaborate on why it is in the context of the game's plot or character development in a meaningful way. Not like "I'm gay because I fuck dudes, did I mention that I'm gay" every other sentence for the sake of it. Kaine from NIER comes to mind as one of the reason's she's such a hardass was because she was mercilessly beaten and ostracized by the people from the town she lived[?] in because she was packing both sets of heat
Yeah but there are other non-belcrap characters who didn't get fucked up quote so badly.
As a matter of fact, have you noticed that the survival horror genre is filled to the fucking brim with female protags? From little girls to japanese exorcists to teenagers to cop and military ladies, I'm willing to bet they surpass the amount of male protags in horror games.
That's kinda my problem with the whole SJW thing. They're perfectly fine with a bunch of one dimentional characters who are only defined by whatever "oppressed" minority they happen to inhabit. They don't care about actual characterization at all.
Charlotte would probably be easily overpowered without John there to protect her, especially since in her original game she had to stand still to cast spells and she seems rather frail without her spellbook.
Dracula probably would toy with her like he did Shanoa though, and wouldn't team up with Death if she was solo.
That's too subtle for vidya critics, the example set to follow from the citizen Kane of gaming bioshit would be to just show a bunch of downtrodden enslaved black people instead.
I think because anything less than GRITTY UBER REALISM is nintendo baby shit
I would like to see more games with animal people. And not like the weeb definition where it's just generic waifus with ears and a tail or wings or some shit. Is Solatorobo any good?
I don't even fucking care anymore.
...though I think that's another reason why that kind of thing tends to be avoided. Furfags are cancerous.
Until you find the sjw's who complain about people writing "men with tits" and them not being good characters either.
I think these people basically want Amelie in game form but have no
Idea why that's be boring
Furries have such a shitty reputation due to the community that a lot of people won't touch a game with a furry mc on principle because their afraid it'll turn into a yiff-fest
Trying to get people to try out Solatorobo was such a huge pain in the ass.
That's to instill a sense of weak helplessness in the player. Notice that the more action based ones have male leads.
Resident Evil is the exception to the rule, where the females are just as competent as the male characters (even the ones that really shouldn't, like the medic Rebecca blasting her way through RE0).
You mean stuff like Resident Evil, Metroid, Tomb Raider, Bayonetta, Parasite Eve, and The Walking Dead, to name a few off the top of my head, and ignoring the COLOSSAL number of games that let you create a main character that lets you be whatever you want? Sure, I'd say it can be done.
There is a "boogiemen mentality" on here. It's hardly unique to SJWs.
In some ways, the females are more competent than the male characters. Like Jill being able to pick locks, make bullets, or play the piano. Or Ada always staying one step ahead of everyone else in the story.
She kind of mirrors how batshit SJWs are, the last thing they want to so is look at themselves too closely.
>create your own combos! just kidding, it's the same sequence and repetitive
>game doesn't allow you to explore one of the beautiful game in a while
UTTER SHIT TIER
10/10 visuals, though
Bayonetta is a female MC and SJWs fucking hate it.
The earlier Tomb Raider games would also have been hated by them if SJWs were paying attention to vidya back then.
And of course SJWs are all either neutral towards or hate the multitude of moe-moe Japanese games with female protags and mostly-female casts such as the Atelier and Neptunia series.
Which is to say that overall there are a shitload of games with female protagonists that aren't pandering to SJWs but men who want to see cute and/or sexy girls.
>bayonetta is a giraffe
please tell me people aren't call this waifu material
Oh man, yes.
>Can't use magic
>Can't heal or be healed by magic
>The only thing you can cast is FIST
>Punching the living fuck out of assholes like/like she did that bird guy
>being a BERSERKER PACKIN' MAN AND A HALF
>Fighting based Boris
I want this so badly. The only problem is I'd have to hide it from my normie friends harder than I did Skullgirls.
Yeah, all you do is make the plot have nothing to do with the person's gender, ethnicity, or sexuality, like every game that stars a non-straight white male lead holy shit how do people not understand that if a character is gay they don't have to do gay things same as straight characters don't have to be fucking women and shit.
The love interest is the same sex or they are dating/ in a relationship with someone of the same sex. Just part of the character bio, but doesn't affect the plot at all. There could be dialogue between characters, maybe someone remarking on the relationship, but no need to make it the moral of the story and the entire game to revolve around such a triviality as gender and sexuality.
Fun Fact: The vast majority of video game characters don't have a confirmed gender or sex, and most aren't even from any real place on Earth. There are more genderless sexless aliens in vidya than straight white males.
It's possible, but in today's climate unlikely.
Here's what gets me.
In the 1980's games were a thing for little boys, and girls were encouraged to do other things.
So why is it then that most developers are guys now?
This shit will work its way out naturally because games are a lot less frequently seen as babby m < 10 demographic and girls are "allowed" to play them by society.
This SJW shit right now is guilt tripping and/or golf channel "golf is fur wumen 2" men getting boners over the idea of women learning their hobby.
>In the 1980's games were a thing for little boys, and girls were encouraged to do other things.
I still grew up playing vidya but I had a lot of male friends.
>So why is it then that most developers are guys now?
Self-fulfilling prophecy, there aren't many in the industry so it's less appealing.
I got in mostly by luck, I made my own maps for fun, posted some on the internets, got noticed, spent about seven years as a level/map/world designer before bailing the fuck out of the industry.
SJWs want to force change, which will never bring about a better industry in any meaningful sense.
That all said, the industry is in a fucking shambles and I'm glad I got out at the right time.
I'm making a game where the protagonist is black. He's also a paladin. His blackitude never comes into play. I just think black skin and silver armour look badass together.
There's a fat gunner who's gay but his gayness is a single line of dialogue and nothing else.
There are definitely exceptions!
I've been trying to find relevant statistics to back up what I pulled out of my ass. I'm a graduate student, and having gone back to school I've found that is a whole lot more common to see girls who are 20 that play games than it was 10 years ago.
More research is needed, but I don't think it's irrelevant.
Just off the top of my head, not counting games with character creation and multiple playable characters
>Panzer Dragoon Orta
>Tomb Raider series
Female and non white/anime-asian
>Ass Creed: Liberation
>A couple of GTA games
>Prince of Persia
>Ass Creed 1
>The Ballad of Gay Tony
It's partly due to marketing and other junk like environmental shit, social shit and simple gender differences.
because of crap like Big Bang Faggotry, it's now much more socially acceptable to be into them wacky vidyas, I know stuck up SJW bitches who gave me shit for liking vidya who have done massive 180s and pretending to always love that shit.
It would be surreal it it weren't so retarded, SJWs being the ones who care most about cultural appropriation and other crap.
An eye opening experience for me, as a guy, was when I got bitched at by a woman my age who LIKED "sexy". It kinda made me stop and think. Is it supposed to be offensive? What about when Mari Shimazaki draws "sexy"? Is she a sexist person? What about my friend?
Maybe we're just going after the easy arguments instead of analyzing the real issue. As a journalist this might be a good short term thing, but does it really make for an intellectual argument?
Will you fuckers quit whining already? There's a demographic shift in vidya, and there's nothing you can do already. And stop forcing your waifu onto everybody. It's pathetic.
>Is Solatorobo any good?
I'm not even a furfag and Solatorobo is a very underrated game for the DS. It has great production values for a DS game. The plot and characters are alright, nothing groundbreaking, although they're a bit predictable at times.
It's breddy gud. Oh, and the latter half of the story is where shit gets awesome.
nigga there's a reason that the vampire killer can't be used at the start of the game, only a Belmont can wield that shit naturally and Jonathan's not a Belmont, he's a Morris. He's actually Quincy Morris from Bram Stoker's novel' grandson.
>An eye opening experience for me, as a guy, was when I got bitched at by a woman my age who LIKED "sexy". It kinda made me stop and think. Is it supposed to be offensive? What about when Mari Shimazaki draws "sexy"? Is she a sexist person? What about my friend?
It's a rather bizarre existence, the be offended at everything, even if it happens to complement you.
CJ is a pretty good example of a good black character. He was necessary in the context, doesn't act like a white guy in black face but also has deep characterisation with motives, fears, desires etc
Reminder that the first two Oddworlds are some of incredibly few of few games that have dealt with racial prejudice, commercialism, and slavery well.