Who Project M here?

Nobody.

I main Link and sometimes Marth. My brother and friends say that link is OP. Is this true?

Pretty much nobody.

>>260187623
He was shit in brawl but they made him not shit.

I main Mewtwo, but I play Captain Falcon, Bowser, and maybe Metaknight for fun

I use the Dio mod for ganondorf.

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>Who Project M here?
everyone now that the smash 4 roster leaked

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>mfw me and my buddy used to play project m together almost every day our senior year
he always fucking played mario and kicked my ass

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Pink Falcons ww@?

>>260187020

me

>>260187623
link might not be OP but he is fucking dumb

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>>260187020
Anyone on westcoast want to play?

>>260187020

Everyone, especially with Smash 4 confirmed for mediocore.

Falcon main here. I'll be sticking to PM now that I saw that Ganondorf is still his shit Brawl version in Smash 4, so Falcon is probably still going to be shit as well. Going slow is boring to me now, I had enough of that shit in Brawl.

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>>260188251

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>>260187020
I do, my friends call Ness OP because I don't suck.

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So who are your mains /v/?

>>260188616
>There's people on /v/ that prefer Smash 4's slowness

I bet they can't play a regular fightan

>>260188251
Captain Fabulous is best Captain.

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>>260189102
In case someone doesn't already have it here's the template.

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>>260189102

I enjoy it even though I'm a huge fucking casual with Smash

I mostly play as Ness and Roy

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Can anyone give me tips against Olimar with someone that isn't Marth?

Everyone says Olimar is one of the worst characters in the game, but I have trouble doing anything when I don't pick Marth, and counterpicking every time my friend chooses him feels really gay.

I use Mario and Diddy in addition to Marth, and it feels a lot tougher to do anything as Diddy or Mario. both of their projectiles are absorbed by pikmin thrown, and if I approach, I get grabbed. The only tool of Marth's that even helps me get in is down tilt, and that can even be risky if he has purple pikmin.

>>260189102

Go into Smash recently, so learning mostly Marth, Sheik and Captain Falcon as I heard they are to start with and learn fundamentals. Playing mostly Project M and little bit of Melee.

>>260189330
>implying bowser's going to stay top tier
You know he's going to get figured out in under a month right?

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>>260189102

>>260189559
>missed so many words

Damn, I'm tired.

>>260189597
Get a better computer poorfag.

>>260189497
My friends don't use olimar so im sorry i can't help

Do you know how to shield grab? If he dash attacks a lot, that could help

Also try to L cancel neutral air with marth a lot
It's a good counter for people jumping around

>>260189624
I made this image last night and an anon said to put ZSS and Bowser. I'll change it after the game is released.

>>260188097
>Dio mod
post link

>>260189293
Is there a chance this will be made with B+ or B-?

>>260189338
>R.O.B
MAH NIGGA

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>>260188402
o-okay /v/.....
L-lets just post mains...

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Project M has the better roster, though.

>>260190160
>B+
Never ever.

>B-
Maybe. B- isn't really as fun as people say it is, nor is it as popular as PM.

B- has some things that's pretty great about it but overall it's just a less polished and less hyped mod. If it got a more professional development team and it didn't have brawl's ass movesets, then it'd be better.

>>260190160
Someone had a version like that but I never bothered to save it.
Sorry anon.

It's actually depressing to know DK won't ever be this good again.

Sakurai even aped the best thing going for him, the dash roll. Before anyone even bothers to say this isn't true, Sakurai had shit to do with DK's barrel roll from DKC. He did the opposite, ignoring it for 3 games in favor of a completely useless and awkward kick.

Is there any way to get SSB to your PC?

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>Not leaving boot imprints on your friends

Mad as fuck they still kept Ganon a clone AND shit for the 3rd time in a row, made me drop the game altogether.

Leave it to modders to make a game better than an "AAA" developer.

>>260190123
I honestly would not be opposed to a Project M /vg/ thread. /ssb/ generals are fucking garbage for the most part.

>>260190240
The leak isn't necessarily true yet so I'd hold up on comments like that.
Sakurai still has some time to turn it around so there's a chance it might get better.

>>260190598
SSB:
Project 64

SSBM: Dolphin
SSBB: Dolphin
SSBPM: Dolphin

>>260190190
I'll play anon. I'm in Seattle.

I'm waiting for Project B.

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>>260190598
http://pastebin.com/cffVxSx2

Use the pastebin

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>>260189102

>>260190240
I'm a PMFaggot and I don't think it's an outright better but Smash4 dropping the characters it did + the characters PM are adding are going to make it closer than a mod should.

>>260190657
Project M General would just end up shit too, like damn near every general does

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>>260190123
I'm glad the janitors/mods are finally deleting/banning that one fucking shitposter that posts in every single thread.

>>260189878
I know most techniques at mid level play, wavedashing(though I'm not the best at making use of it), l-cancelling, SHFFL fair and nair as Marth, but with Olimar, it just feels like he can use his side b all day for free. Not only that, but he has a really good grab, and can spike incredibly easily, and he has a tether which are really good at the moment.

It's really frustrating to fight against.

>>260190742
Not that anon but we can play a few matches
1543765d

Im a bit laggy as well

>>260190654
But Ganondorf is a clone in PM.
He was also pretty good in melee.

>>260190712
How do you play project M on Dolphin?

>>260190712
Is is really running at 60fps with no issues?

>>260191056
Method 1: Install a virtual homebrew channel.

Method 2: Install a virtual SD card and boot the brawl ISO and go the hackless method.

Method 3: Patch a brawl ISO to have Project M.

>>260188857
If you're not into competitive stuff, Ness is pretty scrub friendly. Not auto-win like Mewtwo though.

>>260191098

Yes. Matches on netplay can be laggy if you fight someone far away, on a different continent etc.

>>260190654

If I were Sakurai, I would feel very embarrassed. And all the modders are doing is taking feedback from people, something that Sakurai doesn't do because he apparently doesn't care what anyone else has to say, going as far as to ignore constructive criticism from people who know his game more than he ever did.

People think I'm joking when I say that Sakurai needs to go. Smash will only be mediocre or slightly alright with him around, but will never reach truly show any amazing potential. He holds it back way too much, and for completely insane reasons.

>>260190858
There was a guy from a forum that matches all your choices...

>>260190240
I like Kerfuffle's more, the only character I'll miss is Ice Climbers and none of the new Project M characters interest me except that Roy is back and Pichu Bros if real would be pretty neat to have if they did a good Pikachu/Ice Climbers style hybrid

Melee's still the best core gameplay though

>>260191038
Just hit his pikmin out of the air when he uses side B.
You also have to go down there and hit him with your up-b when he's tethering. It's tricky but he'll die for sure.

I just fucked up my 3.0 and I don't want to customize 3.02 because I know a new version is on the horizon.

How long till the next update?

>>260191056
>>260191210

Metod 4, just download Project M ISO.

>>260191420
I'd imagine december of this year, like last year and every other update.

>>260191367
I wouldnt know.
I dont browse any forums, chans, ect other than 4chan

>>260188857
>>260191264
PK Fire is really bullshit, if it hits you at all, shield or not, you can usually get mega big huge damage for free.

That and PK Flash being as fast and as long range as it is are my only problems with him. At least he doesn't have a bullshit tether, giving his godlike recovery.

I'm making a Bootleg Smash 4 case/cover art/disc art with a Project M ISO and I'm going to sell it to flea market dealers.

Am I doing good, /v/?

>>260191341
I think Sakurai is fine, the issue is HAL hasn't worked on the games since Melee

Brawl was fucking Game Arts of all people and while Smash For being Bandai Namco I get the feeling they'll do a way better job but I still think HAL are the only big devs truly capable of the job

>>260191341
Well I think Sakurai thinks that a lot of people will want a lot of diferent things and that it's better to do what he thinks is best.

Anyway he's ignoring the fact that the people who kept Melee alive for 13 years were the ones hyping Brawl and that they don't care for Smash 4.

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>>260188216
This. I expected to spend most of my time with Smash 4 when it came out, but losing Wolf really hurts so it'll probably be a mix

Toon Link's still in both so it's all good

>>260189957
>>260188097


post link faggot

>>260191498
Link?

>>260191417
I've attempted it with Marth, and it is doable, but he can easily grab me afterwards.

I don't see how I could get away with hitting them as Mario or Diddy. I guess their nairs would be the best option, but I'm pretty sure he could easily get the grab after.

Up b works? I'll have to practice this, then.

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>>260187020
> tfw 3.5 zelda is garbage

Good thing I started picking up fox and the soon to be buffed Ganon.

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>>260191051
And a really fucking good clone at that, they even got rid of his retarded volcano kick for a double hitbox grand slam.

>Everyones face when you perfectly land the up-tilt

>>260191047
I'm trying to connect, you still there anon?

>>260191738
Smash Di out of pk fire and you take like 10% max.

>>260191738
I'd be happy if they nerfed the PK fire to be honest, but he needed some buffs, poor guy's been suckin dick for 2 games in a row.

Do you have to use GC gamepad to play it, or can you use other types of gamepads? My dolphin won't detect my gamepad

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>>260192019
>>260192068

>>260192136
Try again
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Why are glitches like this allowed?

>>260192083
You have to catch him with the up-b before he pulls himself to the ledge.

>>260192068

You have it on piratebay. Think I can't post links from piratebay here.

>smash 4 roster leaked
I doubt it.

>>260187020
What files do i need to install it without those awful anime songs?

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>>260192510
I mean, this game is just filled with glitches.

>>260192510
You don't know how Smash Bros works, do you?
Don't call implemented mechanics "glitches" without knowing why it was put in the game. Fucking autist.

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>>260189102
r8 me
inb4 >space animals

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>>260192697
More and more glitches.

>>260192651
Alright I found it thanks

>>260192693
What?

Just download it, There are no anime songs

the fuck are you talking about

>>260191051

yeah but he's not total shit like he is in Brawl. that's an important distinction.

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>>260190240
>Plusle and Minun
>Ray
I hate to break it to you anon, but...

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>>260189102
>all that Samus
My nigga

>>260192510
>How to jump cancel up-smash out of shield
>Input
Shield, up-smash. That was easy. That's not a glitch, though.

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>>260192864
Yawn.. more glitches.

Why is smash so filled with glitches

>>260192510
>>260192697
>>260192864
>>260193046
How could this get past development...

Whoa...

>>260192693

Did you watch some Project M stream with faggots playing anime songs while playing the game? Just download the game (easiest method is downloading ISO on piratebay IMO) and that's it.

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>>260192984
Sami and Knuckles were confirmed cut.

Also
>Plusle and Minun
Good joke, anon.

>>260192510
> Out of shield

Actually the P:M team didn't really fiddle too much with that. It was already programmed in from brawl.

>>260192087
>fw 3.5 zelda is garbage

source pls

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>>260192450

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I'm just gonna plug the Netplay matchmaking website. Dolphin netplay is actually pretty rad, and everyone is using this site now.

http://ladder.anthrzy.com/

Also DDD is the best. Scrubs can't handle the hammer.

I main Ivysaur and Charizard. Any good tips for either of those characters?

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i hate how every single thing in smash has a gay term some kid made up

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Swedefag here. I play Link though I'm not gay. I'll play pretty anyone from Norway, Finland and even Denmark.

>>260192693
the only anime song that should be allowed in smash is Meaning of Truth from the F-Zero anime on Port Town Aero Dive

>>260193220
>Sami and Knuckles were confirmed cut.
source?

>>260192808

>space animals

a man of true taste.

now excuse me while I upthrow - > Rest you

Fun Fact:

If you have a controller plugged in port 2, but not in port 1, and you go to "training mode," play training mode for a couple seconds, exit training mode, and go to versus mode, you will be able to play as two characters at once.

>>260193220
Could they just name him "electric duo" or something instead, and have both Plusle and Minun, Pichu bros and Notch Eared and Shiny Pichu as alternative costumes? Just give them nothing but generic electric sounds and small cute creature noises, and let people everyone have their will

>>260193220
I'm skeptical. Only because there isn't any proof that they're gone now.

>>260193756
Literally nobody wants plusle and minun. They're two no-names that nobody knows nor care about and everyone knows Pichu from melee and Pichu Bros from the movie.

When will people stop posting this shitty "P&M" meme?

>>260192318
I kind of feel the same way.

>>260192213
If he hits you with it, he gets a free grab, no matter which way you go. He can also keep using PK fire and hitting with it, extending the damage.

>>260193971
I dislike adding anime characters to Smash Bros with no relation to video games. I wish they'd add notch eared pichu and shiny pichu instead. At least they appear in a video game. I think Pichu bros should be the alternative not the actual video game characters. Also, I like plusle and minun.

>>260193971
I distinctly remember a cry for Plusle and Minun in Brawl. A lot of people thought it would be a natural successor to Pichu and a good rep for 3rd gen.

We would never get that 3rd gen rep though. Or 4th or even 5th.
I don't care cause I don't even like pokemon. Mewtwo's cool though.

>>260193971
Only furries and people who think Project M is meant to emulate Melee completely want Pichu.

>>260193636
is that a challenge nigga
well too bad i have a toaster and cant netplay ;_;

>>260193472

the only shitty name I can think of is "wavedash", and by extension "wavelanding" and "waveshining"

I mean, what other term are you going to use to describe canceling a dash attack with an up-smash besides "Dash Attack Canceled Up-Smash" or DACUS?

>>260194490
Lucario is from the 4th gen.
I remember wishing Deoxys would be in Brawl, though. With form changing and all. Instead, it's in as a legendary that never shows up.

>>260193472
>Spot dodge
>Fucking spot dodge
It's a sidestep, you fucking dingus. What kind of dumb name is "spot dodge"?

>>260194527
Not even most people on Project M's own forum want Pichu. Just a very loud minority do.

>>260194683
>Lucario is from the 4th gen
Shit, I forgot. So it's only 5th gen that got shafted. And I heard it was one of the better games too.

>>260193447
Oh god, what.

How do I git gud against roy

>>260194527
I'm neither and I want Pichu because I want my low-tier main back.

I mean who wouldn't want an intentionally "worst character in the game" that's still viable in tourneys and fun to play? Just look at fucking olimar and jigglypuff. They're the worst characters and even they're still really fun to play and have won a couple sets in tourneys. Not to mention it's a unique idea and Pichu would be a wonderful "fastest and lightest" character in the game.

>>260187020
What should I do if I'm shit at PM but I want to improve on netplay? I don't want to get matched up with people who actually know how to play well.

>>260194724
So like with every other character addition, then?

>>260194724
I know. As evidenced by it being the lowest non-Sonic character in the character speculation thread poll.

>>260194886
And the 3rd.

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>>260194527
>>260194724
Fuck you niggers, I want Pichu back because he was the lightest and fastest character in Melee and I loved that, nothing in PM is as fast or light as him either. It's a void that needs to be fucking filled.

>>260194597
How is wavedash, waveland and waveshining shitty terms? Wavedashing comes from the wavelike pattern of your character(going up and down while moving side to side), wavelanding is performing a wavedash just as you land, which makes sense, and waveshining is simply adding a shine to the wavedash.
How is this any stupider than footsies?

>>260194997
>I don't want to get matched up with people who actually know how to play well.
Play with /v/ or something. Do you play with anyone in particular?

>>260194997

Just go to IIRC and play friendlies. Most people that aren't good want to only play friendlies. Once you find couple of guys at your level add them as friends and keep playing against them if you don't want to fight better players.

>>260195047
Isaac and Lyn are in the top three of the poll. Sami and Skull Kid, I think, were in the upper-mid range. Knuckles was in the Sonic tier, two spaces below Pichu.

>>260192461
GGs

>>260195223
Not really, all my friends play Brawl.

>>260195135
>How is wavedash, waveland and waveshining shitty terms
Because they sound stupid?
>that explanation behind the names
Again, it sounds stupid. There's not much more to add.

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>>260189102
I'm shit

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>>260195523
But, why do they sound stupid?

>>260195223
Wait did you mean character? I play as Ganondorf.

>>260193472
>implying Gamestop Trades is a gay term
it's accurate and funny. Even the FGC/ASSFAGGOTS want to use shit like Wombocombo,

>>260195593
>R.O.B.
A character I really like but don't play enough.

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>>260195065
I fucking loved Pichu. Melee was pretty much all I played for so many years, that I got attached to every character, stage, piece of music, and piece of content in it.

But Project M isn't Melee. Pichu doesn't really have much to offer anymore. Sonic is the fastest, and Jigglypuff is the lightest. But that's why I still have my Melee disc.

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I really do suck complete ass at Smash. Hell, I rarely even use shields or dodge roll until every once in a while when I'll consciously think "Huh, maybe I should" and then I'll start over-using them for the next couple of rounds until I forget again.

I'll practice one day.

>>260195748
No, I meant people.
>>260195732
Just accept that people don't like the name. Goddamn.

>>260195859
>Sonic is fastest and jigglypuff is lightest.

So? I want a character who's the fastest AND lightest.

>>260194597
Smash players didn't come up with the term "wavedash".

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I'm modding Project M to make it more pub friendly but still retaining all the new content and movesets.

Anyone interested to try out/make request?

>>260196071
That depends. What are the changes?

>>260196036
Sonic's the fastest thing alive, though.

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>>260195418
sorry anon
Have a bladewolf

>>260188216
link please.

>>260196071
I'm interested in knowing what you plan to do to accomplish this.
Sounds cool though.

>>260195065
I have nothing against Pichu man. I'm all for more characters, regardless of who they pick. You're pretty likely to get Pichu in some form thanks to >>260193220 and the dev team probably realizes what >>260195859 this anon said, hence changing it up a bit to give Pichu more viability

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>>260194997
ladder.anthrzy.com

Use that website and play ranked games. After 5 ranked games it give you a score. Then just play with people with a score around yours or slightly higher. Best way to get better imo.

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I love Project M, I'd say I main as random for Normal vs, and Ganondorf/Bowser/Dedede for Turbo

>mfw Turbo mode makes character speed basically a non-issue

>>260193971
Please be bait.

>>260196421
I wish I could play netplay. My checksum comes out wrong after I build my PM iso no matter what I do. I tried dumping my own Brawl iso to my HD, downloading a Brawl Iso off a torrent and another of a direct download and nothing fucking works.

Can anyone help me with getting my wii mote and classic controller working on my pc?

I got a blue tooth adapter but I don't know what to do after that, and yes I've googled it.

>>260196779
No, seriously. Who the fuck CARES ABOUT PLUSLE AND MINUN

LITERALLY

NOBODY

NOBODY EVEN KNOWS WHO THE FUCK THEY ARE

>>260193292
A couple of zelda mains, including me to some extent, tried working with the PM:BR on zelda's nayru and the entire collaboration went to shit.

The person responsible for the previous builds more or less got kicked to the curb.

The person leading the new 3.5 zelda build is confirmed to be a autist who is also the one responsible for giving ganon some very flight friendly buffs. After talking to some PMBR members and what they could gather, this guy has no fucking clue how to handle zelda and she is going to be absolute garbage

> Nayru's don't carry as much momentum
> insane landing lag
> Knockback is directly reduced
> Floatiness of Jiggs with the run speed of Luigi

My condolences go out to the zelda mains. It was fun while it lasted.

>Make a "Pichu Bros" character
>When Plusle and Minun exist in pokemon

Project: autisM, ladies and gents

>>260197368

Don't know about the rest but I've never heard of them.

>>260196156
There are two main changes to the gameplay:
- Upwards gravity is slightly reduced. This way most characters jump a little higher and are more fun to move around overall. Downward gravity is not affected. Characters still fall considerably fast and fastfall speeds are unaffected.
- No ledge invincibility. Actually there's a very limited time frame that allows edgehogging, but after that the character is vulnerable. Forces players to return to the stage asap and encourages edgeguarding.
The other changes are character-specific. I can give you more info on some characters if you want.
>>260196337
The mod is pretty much done right now, but I'm still open to suggestions, especially regarding characters I don't play that much.
Since PM was aimed at tournament play, the purpose of this mod was to make most characters playable by average players and long-time players who never got into tournament techniques and frame data. In-depth combo knowledge is not required and almost all characters are fun to play right out of the bow. My aim, right now, is to eliminate that "almost".

>>260197917
>Caring about two shitty pokemon nobody cares about
>Get mad when they aren't added even though nobody fucking cares about them
This is real autism, anon.

>>260197917
Thank goodness it's only a baseless rumor.

>>260192864
>SSHHFL
>glitch
Now this is what I call shitposting

>>260198035
If the purpose of this mod is to help average players do advanced techniques as you say, then why is Luigi's cyclone recovery still prohibitively difficult to pull off effectively?

>>260197917
Why do you care?

>>260198567
The point of the mod is to make Brawl into Melee.

>>260198609
Oh, is the Project:BM Defense Force in full swing in here? Is all criticism going to be blindly attacked by raging sperg fanboys?

>>260198931
No, seriously, why do you care?

>>260197917
Wait till it's actually confirmed to fling your buzzwords around please.

I'm only giving you the light of day because I wouldn't think too kindly of them adding something inspired from the anime rather than an actual game, but everything they've included thus far adheres to a fairly strict rule that they're not going around adding shit from outside of Smash universe willy nilly.

Squirtle Squad Glasses and Mewtwo's Armor excluded but they were something I think most people could agree was cool.

>>260187623
Yeah, kinda

They tried so hard to unshit him that now he's just bananas

>>260187020
me

>>260198035
As someone that isn't particularly good at smash, sounds good. I assume P:M was balanced with competitive play in mind so when playing P:M with friends there seem to still be some moves/characters that are still a bit OP and/or are too easy to cheese with.

Would you mind giving me a quick summary of the changes to G&W and R.O.B.?

And if you're looking to get suggestions for that "almost" I would just suggest releasing it and addressing that in later updates since you'll be able to get a wide range of feedback to more effectively make changes and hopefully be less prone to be making changes that are baised due to a lack of this feedback.

I for one am looking forward to playing as the tag team electric rodents.

And even find their red and blue color scheming to be appealing.

>>260187020
When does 3.5 come out, seriously I'm getting bored.

>>260198567
I don't think you got things straight, anon. I'm not a PM member. I'm a modder working on PM to make it different once more.
I don't plan on helping average players to learn or pull off advanced techniques. They can do that practicing in melee or PM already.
I'm just making a mod eliminating the need to know and perform those techniques to properly play those characters.

I forgot to mention, about a month ago an anon asked me to restore ToonLink's N-Air to brawl's animation. I managed to do it and damage was also slightly boosted. If you're here, you might be interested to try it out.

>>260199325
Do >>260193641 in the mean time, play netplay, or mod the game yourself to add new stages/songs.

>>260198035
>No ledge invincibility
Tether character are done for.

>>260198960
It just seems wrong to ignore the already-present pichu-akin duo when they're so similar. I also prefer them as a better fit for this duo but I'm sure there's plenty of rabid melee autism that will just keep screaming for Pichu... and how right I am.

>>260198035
I think a lot of tourneyfags would find the idea of more limited edgehogging bad and protest it since it only serves to prolong a match, giving the offending player more chances to recover, right? I'm not stating this as fact, just trying to get into the mindset of how competitive smash is looked at.

>>260199843
Pichu is a known character that's actually been in the series.

Plusle+Minun are no-name characters that, while they're a duo, they're also a no-name fucking character that literally nobody cares about and if anyone were to add another pokemon in smash someone's head would be on a fucking pike. Pichu is the only pokemon that can be added without severe backlash.

>>260199797
Are PM devs really becoming this unimaginably stupid?

This can't be real.

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>>260200092
>no-name
>they were major characters in a pokemon movie and a pokemon spin-off

>>260200354
Now who's the autistic one?

>>260197693
If you know, how is 3.5 looking actually? Any HUGE gameplay changes or something to look out for? Or just changes to everyone in general.

>>260200092
>p/m are no-names
>when ORAS is already out

You're obviously pretty out-of-touch and should probably stop posting

>>260200597
>is already out
It's not November yet.

>>260200335
Read the thread, it's somebody's tweaking efforts.

82e4d22b

>>260199218
Alright. I admint I don't play G&W and ROB too much so I didn't make big changes to them. ROB is actually still in its PM version. The only change for G&W is that his UpB always ends in specialfall now. I want to boost his UpAir though since he now attacks only once.

The mod is already released here:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8b-0wG8NBLTWDQwSTBVUVJocGc/edit?usp=sharing
It just doesn't get a lot of exhibition because I don't have a blog or anything like that and on the PM forum they would just shit on it non-stop.

>>260199880
Personally, I've always viewed edgehogging as a very cheap tactic, requiring no actual skill to pull off. I find the idea of a player going off stage to make sure his opponent goes down much more entertaining to play and spectate.

>>260199797
>>260200335
If you can tether, you can UpB, and this time you'll be able to grab the ledge, because your UpB will almost certainly bounce your opponent off the ledge.

>>260200335
Oh, that was someone else's mod. PM is getting tons of lag added when you edgehog a tether character. Forced jump that's about a second long, followed by a half second of landing lag. Oh, but don't worry, you still have the option of moving backward while jumping to land back on the ledge. You know, because that's safe. God forbid the person just stay on the ledge.

>>260200981
>If you can tether, you can UpB
Well if you're Zero Suit, your Up special is the tether. If you hit the person on the ledge with that, you're fucked.

>>260201367
Not really. It's not a real tether and the thing works no problem. Try the mod, pal.

>>260201157
well thank god, it's just some asshat's mod-mod. I was fucking worried for a second there. In disbelief.

>>260200852
Anyone?

>>260200981
>Personally, I've always viewed edgehogging as a very cheap tactic, requiring no actual skill to pull off. I find the idea of a player going off stage to make sure his opponent goes down much more entertaining to play and spectate.

I agree with the spirit of your decision, I'd much rather have more on stage play than someone getting gimped by an edgehog but I think to some degree it may be necessary just to keep the pace of the match fast and interesting.
If not that, then some alternative because while I think edgehogging works well enough, we can certainly do better.

>>260201517
>It's not a real tether
Riiiight. Might try out the mod, though.

>>260200852
the fuck?

>>260200981
I'll edgehog against Captain Falcon. Or Mario, since his Up special gimps all kinds of things. Not challenging any of those moves.

>>260200459
you, one/both of your parents, your siblings, ect...

>>260201765
Trust me, it's not. Tethers are done with the z-button. ZSS's UpB and SideB look like a tether but work differently in the engine.

>>260192510
>tap jump

>>260202058
Not the one bitching about a fan-made mod not including your favourite character for illogical reasons?

Any Scandinavian people who want to netplay?

>>260202365
>illogical
>the pre-made electric rodent duo isn't the more logical one
Your autism is blinding you to the real logic.

>>260202365
>implying you're not being bitchy too

>>260203335
The Pichu bros predated Plusle and Minun by three years though.

>>260200092
>people give a fuck about Pichu, an electric rat
>people don't give a fuck about Plusle and Minun, electric rats

Now if only there were a good reason for all of this and not just 'muh melee' autism.

>>260203854
>age is what matters

Holy Euphoria, ya GOT me!

>>260203854
Two years, but regardless.

>Lucas normally placed at either S or A tier
>Ness relegated to C or D
Am I the only one that thinks it should be the other way around? I mean, Ness has one of the best projectiles in the game, four different ways to edgeguard without even leaving the stage, a spike and two kill aerials, two different kill throws and a throw that sets up a pretty major combo, and a slew of disjointed multi-hit attacks on top of a side smash with a tipper.

The only thing Lucas really has on him in my opinion is a tether, but Ness and Lucas already have some long range recovery (even if PKT2 is fox-tier in terms of predictability), and Ness makes up for it by having the fastest grab in the game and an easier time getting it off from hit confirm.

Any opinions on this?

>>260195065
If Pichu didn't hurt himself he would be fine

>>260204192
That and the fact that Pichu was in Melee so it would make more sense for Pichu bros to be in PM. Pichu is liked by many after all, whereas not one single person gives a shit about Plusle and Minun.

>>260204879
>I don't give a shit about them so no one does

>>260195859
what do you think was the purpose of project melee

>>260195859
the autisM is real

>>260204648
Lucas has way better arial options in general, not to mention simply stronger arials. Look at PinkFresh when he plays Lucas. It's fucking ridiculous. And that usmash is strong as shit. Couple that with the fact that the fucker doesn't die ever and you got a really good character.
I'd love it if Ness got a decent buff too though.

>>260205005
No, I'm serious. No one actually cares about Plusle and Minun. It's just you.

Yo mod dude, the game isn't load in my USB loader. I'm just getting Brawl.

>>260205513
Don't you have to go to the custom stage and boot it?

>>260205172
Honestly, I don't think tournament results are completely valid at this stage in the game's development. There's basically a whole new tier list every other week, and characters like Diddy (which used to be considered low tier) suddenly get a huge showing out of nowhere whereas characters like Mewtwo (which people think need a nerf) barely have anyone playing him.

People are still discovering new things. A single player or even a couple of players doing well with a character means nothing unless that character is winning unanimously and consistently, which no one seems to be doing.

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If kirby walling people off the map wasn't do much fun, I'd pick ivy in a heartbeat.

>>260205475
That's actually not me, anon.
So, we are just at two now, I'll give you that much.

However, my point was that there's no objective reason people wouldn't like Plusle and Minun if they liked Pichu; they're practically carbon copies of each other. You might as well use the official electric rodent duo if you're going to do an electric rodent duo. It just makes more sense.

>>260205701
A USB loader would just load the .gct file directly.

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>Project M

>>260187020
My two mains in every Smash game have been Ness and Captain Falcon, even Brawl despite them being much worse because I can still do good with them.

How based/faggot am I?

>boot up Project M for the first time
>edgy intro
>edgy menus
The game is fine and all but why is Brawl modding community so full of autists?

>>260206217
It's not trying to be edgy, it's supposed to give the menu Melee coloring.

>>260205513
>Ganondorf's run in Brawl
I can't handle this.

>>260206217
Well wtf else would it be full of?
You can run from this question if you want to, anon.

>>260205475
Why are Plusle and Minun higher up in the polls than Pichu, then?

>>260205513
It must be installed over PM to work. There's a readme file for more info.
I use a USB loader with a NTSC iso (I have a pal wii). The mod also works in dolphin. You just need to modify the virtual sd card accordingly.

Also, I just tested all tethers and "special" tethers and they all work correctly.

>>260206217
>the menu subtitles and warning messages have all been changed to jokes and FGC references
>literally just Brawl's intro with a different title screen
>edgy(?)

>>260206217

It's the same thing but purple and a different font.

>>260206519
I combined the gct files and put everything in the root. Then again, the actual PM folder was pretty small. I'll take another look.

>play Project M with a bunch of friends
>aw shit nigga Roy and Mewtwo are back
>pick Dedede, my nigga of niggas
>friends pick charizard, Mewtwo and Roy
>wtf like half of the cool levels are gone
>whatever, fuck it
>Charizard gets smash ball
>nothing happens
>neat
>all the while Dedede now plays like shit
>Somehow mewtwo and roy had final smashes before the poketrio
>thirty minutes later the game crashes

And that's why we haven't played SSB since January.

>>260206508
If this is true then that other anon was just running on sheer autism trying to defend Pichu over P&M

Pichu bros should just be a skin of P&M.

>>260199880
>>260200981
People want edge hogging because the edge isn't the only place to land. Brawl made it so if you passed the edge you automatically grabbed it but before that it was more like a safety bonus for timing your recovery right. You don't have to go to the ledge you could just land on the stage, the ledge is just extra. Also recoveries in general were super buffed in Brawl it used to be a bigger risk to fight someone off the side and it was harder to make it all the way back in melee. The PM recoveries just retain their Brawl elements.

>>260206358
Well it's doing a very poor job at that.
>>260206491
I guess you have a point.
>>260206534
>>260206620
The intro has darker coloring when compared to Brawls.
Brawl intro is pretty shit too.

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>>260206810
>Dedede plays like shit.
Yeah, nah, you're a fucking faggot.

>>260206810
The reason that the poketrio doesn't have their final smashes yet is because the poketrio is one fucking character and they haven't found a work around yet.

>>260206869
From the Clone Engine Character Speculation Discussion thread:

Individual Tiers
Isaac: 132.5 (131, 23, 10, 93.90%)

Ridley: 100.5 (108, 33, 24, 85.45%)

Lyn: 74 (83, 26, 22, 83.21%)

Ganondorf + Black Shadow: 68 (91, 23, 35, 76.67%)

Dark Samus: 53 (54, 40, 21, 81.74%)

King K Rool: 46 (43, 32, 13, 85.23%)

A Tier
Skapon: 39.5 (44, 31, 20, 78.95%)
Bowser Jr.: 37 (39, 32, 18, 79.78%)
Saki: 37 (33, 26, 9, 86.76%)
Skull Kid: 32 (27, 18, 4, 91.84%)
Masked Man/Claus: 30.5 (27, 15, 4, 91.30%)

B Tier
Sami: 23.5 (34, 13, 17, 73.44%)
Dixie Kong: 23 (35, 38, 31, 70.19%)
Paper Mario: 20 (25, 34, 22, 72.84%)
Tom Nook: 20 (18, 20, 8, 82.61%)
Ray: 18.5 (11, 15, 0, 100.00%)
Andy: 15.5 (14, 19, 8, 80.49%)
Samurai Goroh: 15 (13, 26, 11, 78.00%)

C Tier
Toad: 7.5 (21, 19, 23, 63.49%)
Waluigi: 6 (31, 26, 38, 60.00%)
Lip: 5.5 (1, 9, 0, 100.00%)
Hector: 3.5 (11, 19, 17, 63.83%)
Tetra: 3 (9, 14, 13, 64.89%)
Red/Pokemon Trainer: 1 (5, 4, 6, 60.00%)
Plusle & Minun: -3 (6, 9, 13, 51.85%)

D Tier
Toon Zelda: -9.5 (6, 7, 19, 40.63%)
Krystal: -10.5 (11, 25, 34, 51.43%)
Pichu: -12.5 (36, 25, 61, 50.00%)

F (Sonic) Tier
Tails: -25.5 (16, 19, 51, 40.70%)
Knuckles: -28.5 (15, 11, 49, 34.67%)
Shadow: -53.5 (12, 7, 69, 21.59%)

>>260206810
Dedede is pretty much the same character.

>>260206468

I was thinking of restoring Ganondorf's run animation because it was emphasizing his weight. Should I?

>>260206678
That's because my mod only contains a gct, character changes and animation changes over the content of PM. To keep the filesize down.

>>260207201
Can they not just give them triple finish? Sure it's lazy, but still.

>>260207001
I agree with you about it being tryhard edgy. It's mainly the music that gives it that autistic edgy vibe, though.

>>260206810
>wtf like half of the cool levels are gone
I would love to know what you consider "cool levels"

>>260207312
Because that'd require them to spawn Ivy and Squirtle and possibly crash the game.

>>260188216
True that. With the recent news about MK8, I fear greatly that Smash is just going to become Nintendo's next DLC playground and the shitty roster points exactly to that.

>>260207001
>Well it's doing a very poor job at that.
Opinions. Most people catch the reference and you're ruined by /v/culture unable to see anything as a genuine effort, preferring to shit on something whenever possible.

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>>260207356
>It's mainly the music that gives it that autistic edgy vibe.
>Same exact menu music as brawl.

>>260205827
Oh, you're definitely right. But, right now there is nothing else to really go by.

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>>260206217
so adding purple and the logo is edgy now? what kind of bubble wrap playpen do you live in?

>>260187623
Yeah Link is OP i think. His neutral game is retarded good thanks to his projectiles which they made amazing. M2K thinks he's one of the best in the game alongside mewtwo, lucas, pit, and diddy.

>>260207389
My friends and I simply turn off levels that aren't entirely unplayable. So we keep scrolling levels off and shit like 75m or Flatzone or Hanebow.

>>260206810
Yes, it's not finished yet, the pokemon trio lacks a final smash.
BTW never crashed when I played it, and we played it for 4 hours straight.

>>260207312
No because the 2 other Pokes aren't in play unlike vBrawl which keeps all 3 in memory.

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>>260206217
>Edy

>>260207643
So 75m and Hanebow are removed/replaced with better things and you complain?

>>260206810
>playing with smash balls

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Project M fags are just the worst.

On par with Hitler.

>watch friend playing project m
>generic dubstep music playing on character select

holy autism

>>260206869
Pichu's moves were different

>>260208000
Smash 4 fags aren't any better.

>>260208017
He added that himself, though. Project M allows you to put in any music you want. There is no generic dubstep in the default PM.

>>260208017
We know the PM sorts are autists, I mean, they make a fucking thread dedicated to themselves.

This is some reddit tier shit going on here.

>>260208000
>implying Hitler is bad

>>260208017
That's a mod. Project M's supposed to have the same music as Brawl.

>>260207308
>I was thinking of restoring Ganondorf's run animation because it was emphasizing his weight. Should I?
FUCK no. He ran like an out of shape middle aged man.

He's going to run like this in Smash4 too isn't he? God fucking damn it Sakurai.

>>260208000
Smash 4 fags are worse now, I'd say.
I should know. I was one of them up until Dark Pit.

>>260208017
Blame your friend. If I recall correctly, the only song that isn't in solely because it's the background music for a ported stage is Mushroom Kingdom II.

>>260208168
Wow, you guys really are autists.

You'd fit right in with bronies.

>>260207356
>mainly the music
you pick your own music

>>260208017
>>260208178
It's you again

>>260207564
It's the original PM music before the menu, not brawl's music. Why must you be so dodgy about this, anon? It's pretty childish...

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>>260207604
It's not just the logo.

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>>260208017
Since it was brought up, what are some god tier menu songs? I've been using Maverick Hunter X's X Stage Select for years now.

>>260208292
The ones that bitch or the ones that actually look forward to the game?

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All the nintenyear olds came back from highschool, thread's going to shit.

Wait until 10-11PM PST to make a new one.

>>260208452
I use Smash 64's character select theme.

>>260208000
>Liking something over something else is wrong! Stop doing that!

>>260208481
Both. As well as anybody who defends Dark Pit over any other potential character.

Why to Project AutisM fags get so upset when you trash their shitty mod?

>>260208017
Get better friends, retard.

>>260208452
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dndbyEzvtlA
:^)

>>260208653
Are you one of those autists who want Mewtwo back?

>>260208601
lol mad

>>260208664
Because Samurai's cock is jammed too far into your mouth that you can't see any game other than his as pure gold. :^)

>>260208359
What, you mean custom mods? I'm talking about the music that plays before the intro around when PM first loads and that gay "Secure your strap to contain hype!" text always appears. Who the fuck is even using a wiimote for this anyways?

>>260208442
>purple

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>>260208664
>Why do people correct other's lies/ignorance?
>Why do people argue about things they disagree on?
>Why do people enjoy things?

Jesus fucking christ.

>>260208653
>implying Dark Pit got in over anyone other than Pichu

>>260208242
And he was funny as fuck.
To me it looked like his movement was impaired by the armor (and actually is).

>>260208664
Why do you keep posting stupid things?

Can a mod ban this fucking autistic shitposter already?

>>260207251
They should add Simon Belmont. I know they have the rule which keeps most people from arguing for it but come on. He's fucked as far as Smash 4 goes, it's just not happening.

PM is our last chance for Simon. He needs to be playable in Smash.

>>260208982
Because he thinks there needs to be a war between Smash 4 and Project M fans.

He admitted it.

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>>260208856
>Who the fuck is even using a wiimote for this anyways?
The joke went so far over your head that if it were to look back, it'd actually see the past, since it'd catch up with light from a hundred years ago.

>>260209119
Plus PM devs replaced Luigi's Mansion with a Castlevania stage for no fucking reason

>>260208856
There is no music there the first song is the Brawl opening theme during the intro. Where did you get your copy from a friend or someones personal mod online?

>>260208865
There are other changes too, for example see the sky. But it doesn't bother me that much, I can just smash A to skip it anyways.

However it does say something about the production values and why Project M will never be widespread. Which is shame, I really like the game.

>>260208826
Nope. While I liked Mewtwo, I think it's stupid to remove a character and then add them in the next game. Like Dr. Mario.

I don't get it. Is he proud of making posts like that or what?

>>260209029
which one? pls be more specific next time. btw- this isn't smashboards, mods aren't out to nanny every little trolling attempt that leaves traces of butthurt in you.

>>260199843
If they made those pokemon a character than they would be risking a cease and desist from Nintendo. Better to play it safe and put a character in that has already been in a previous smash game.

Now screencapping Project M autism for future cringe threads.

>>260187020
>playing melee on training wheels
Nah. PM is the tourneyfag mod. No self respecting person plays it. I don't mean tourneyfag in the sense of someone who likes to play competitively, but rather that kid who always picked fox and played on final destination because that's what the pros did. PM is just a shitty,casualized version of melee for people who want a smaller, less skilled community to feel big in.

>>260208962
Well, it's your mod. If it's your bag, go for it.
He sure as hell wouldn't run like that in Twilight Princess.

>>260209029
Just stop replying. That Project M General idea is looking better and better.

>>260208896
>Was planned out since Palutena's trailer, at the very latest, likely since the game was announced or earlier
>"B-but they threw him in at the last minute!"

>>260208856
There's no fucking music during the intro.

>>260187020
Project M is shit, Melee is still fucking better.

Anyone who plays Brawl in any shape or form is the worst sort of cancer.

>>260209383
How does PM require less skill than Melee? I'm curious.

>>260197306
I don't think the checksum matters that much. I never checked mine and online almost never desyncs for me.

>>260187020
>No Pal
Fuck it

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>>260209485
kek

>>260209503
He's a barebones clone, he's even lumped together with Lucina and Dr. Mario who are also barebones clones.

>>260209485
Will do! Enjoy Dr. Mario and Dark Pit!

Oh, wait, you can play as both of them in Project M, only they don't get their own character slots. Whoops. :^)

>>260209237
This. They didn't even add a proper music for fuck's sake.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LY7Y-EJDGOU

>>260209428
I don't play Ganondorf that much. I should ask a friend of mine what animation he likes. He's the ganon player of our bunch.

>>260209665
Use Dolphin.

>>260209648
I never actually tried netplay since my checksum discouraged me in fear of desyncing but I'll give it a go then.

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>>260209485
Baited how?
We knew it's just you being dumb

Project M, where the M stands for Masterbaited.

Seriously you fucks are the most easily baited retards on this board, above Vivian worshippers and all the quinn/zoe bullshit.

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Last night I decided to go on a magical journey. First, I played Smash Bros. Melee. The game still holds up great-- the graphics are very bright and cartoony, and the gameplay obviously set the standard for what Smash players expect from the series. Then I played Project M-- it's like Melee, but with newer graphics and more content. It plays just as good as Melee and is all around quite wonderful. Feels like it's a direct sequel to Melee.

And then, I played Brawl. Holy shit does that game feel terrible. It feels like the characters are all trapped in a giant pool of jello. Everything about Brawl feels slow and floaty-- nothing has any weight, and at the same time everything moves slowly. It feels like the characters are on the moon when they jump It's just plain bad, there is no way around it. I can't believe Nintendo would actually release the game in this state. I have never even played Smash at a tournament or anything like that, but I couldn't stand to play Brawl for more than a few minutes.

>>260209335
The game is a fan mod made from loosely connected volunteers in their free time. Considering its spread into tournaments I'd say their hobby has done pretty well

>>260209503
>appears at the very end of the trailer
>Ayyyy Shaft, my buddies, I just threw this asshole in as a last minute addition, could you get your shitty underpaid korean animation team to make a three second powerpoint animation to slap at the end of that trailer? Love, Masahari Sakura

>>260209723
>They didn't even add a proper music for fuck's sake.
So, add your own? It's not hard.

>>260209335
>>260209926
also the sky is just a color change to fit with the tint

>>260209926
I agree, but that doesn't make it immune to criticism.

>>260209870
Vanilla Brawl just isn't fun for me to play at all. It feels sluggish and weird. It feels like using a balloon for basket ball. It's not right.

>>260209870
Fuck off, people like you are why no one will accept us Project M lovers.

Can't you see we're trying to stand up against the oppression as equals.

>>260209807
Softmodded Wii and USB loader also works.

>>260209951
I was just agreeing with the anon. Dracula's Castle on its own just feels a tad out of place.

>>260210150
Are people not allowed to have opinions? Come on.

>>260209723
>They didn't even add a proper music for fuck's sake.
It sucks but they're obviously scared of adding copyrighted music from outside the Smash games.

They had the Ballad of the Goddess playing in Skyloft for 2.5 I believe and took it out by 2.6.

I heard somewhere they're looking for people to help compose tracks for the stages, I'm hoping we will get some decent Castlevania remixes.

>>260210013
>Angry
But Sakurai, I'm having fun.

>>260189330
>No Lucas in PM
5/10

Lucas is a lot more explosive and causes more salt than M2

>>260210264
Fuck off, I want people to accept me for who I am as a proud Project M supporter!

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>>260209237
>muh missing brawl stages

http://www.mediafire.com/download/s12xqltw0h5ytau/Classic+Expansion+Pack+6.02m+r2.exe

If you actually bothered to look around instead of bitching you'd have found PM repacks that contain both the PM stage mods AND every single Brawl stage + a bunch of Melee and Smash 64 ones.

Project M is infinitely customizable, you could add hundreds of stages if you wanted.

>>260210387
Go watch that trailer again and tell me it's not literally a powerpoint presentation

>>260209237
There is a Luigis mansion re-skin if you want it also that stage wasn't made by the devs it was someone else and they just put it in because it was more legal than Luigis mansion

Project M

Is that the thing were Smash faggots try to feel like they're playing an actual fighting game that requires skill?

Fucking faggots, get a real fighter and maybe you nintoddlers can join the big boys one day.

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>>260209951
I spent a good chunk of last night converting the song "Vampire Killer" from Castlevania into Bitstream format. I even got it to loop perfectly.

http://brawlcustommusic.com/48268

I've also got the Judgment version of Bloody Tears in the song cue for Dracula's Castle. It feels so much more like a proper Castlevania stage with the right songs.

Now I wish they'd add Simon Belmont into the game. He could borrow moves from both Shiek and Zero Suit Samus.

>>260210438
Does it work for the japanes version?