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There's a lot of strange contradictory information slamming around here about the leaks. I just want to help spread some truth in the wake of this leaking panic.

Here's what we know:
>DHD/Shulk/Dark Pit/Dr. Mario/Bowser Jr are pretty much confirmed
>MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER is a fake and was proved to be so by Vaanrose
>the image of Solo/Multi he got wasn't from him, it was from one of Vaanrose's insider guys who gave it to him to prove that he was the real deal
>MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER then turned around and posted the cipher on here claiming the image was his own
>Vaanrose is a public figure who has inside knowledge and can be trusted. He supported the original DHD/Dark Pit etc text leak which is why some people call it the "Vaanrose leak"
>this means that the DLC leak is FALSE and is MFLeaker's trolling (as he admitted)
>this means that the Mach Rider/Impa/etc leak is FALSE and is just the trolling of someone without a source
(For more on this look up Vaanrose's comments on Smashboards. There are some screenshots of his statements floating around here too but I didn't save them)
>any screenshot information by "All Star" (Pokemon Rep/DK rep/other franchise rep) is false. All Star tried to post fake pictures of Chorus men and was proven to be a faker
>another statement from July 27~ is that Ridley/Chorus Men/Mewtwo/Dixie are in
>while not false this is speculation that is tied to the original leak
>the original text leak was DHD/Pitoo/Dr. Mario/Shulk/Bowser Jr and predicted his Koopa car, alts, etc
>this had no mention of Chorus Men/Ridley/Dixie/Mewtwo
>however the original text leak stated that there may be more characters
>the all star mode is still locked in the screenshots so this contributes to the assumption that there may be more characters
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Nintendo was spreading misinformation to counter the leak. Think about it.
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>>259880457
Were they perhaps trying to hide something big?
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So MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER and All-Star were fake, huh?

I guess this means we'll be in for a big surprise when this game hits shelves.
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So tl;dr Ridley never ever never ever

Again.

Forever and ever never ever.
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>>259880050
Look, if RIdley isn't in, I'm not buying.

They already took away any competitive aspets, made the game slow as all hell, nerfed old veterans, and kept Ganon a slow clone. Today, we were insulted with Dark Pit and Dr. Mario just because. An exclusion of Ridely wouldn't be my only reason for not buying the game, it would just be the straw that broke the camel's back.
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>DLC characters and the extra secret newcomers were fake
>mfw

Figures, i said earlier today this morning that it was too good to be true and would redeem the roster so it was probably fake.

I'm not even surprised, just disappointed.
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>>259881860

This is pretty much how i feel, minus the Ridley thing, i don't really care about Ridley. What i do care about is Sakurai ignoring all the popular fan request characters and then adding niggers like dark pit.

Also Wolf was my main in Brawl and he got cut, the disappointment is palpable.
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>>259880050
I think there will be some sort of DLC or extra character by looking at the ui, there is room if you move the roster around for 5 more characters. The only reason I suggest it is because the back ground is plain black, why would sakurai do this? because the final roster was supposed to cover the whole background.

its a shitty theory but its either that or we have not seen the final ui for character select on 3ds
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How exactly is a legit screenshot of All Star Mode with a lock symbol fake when every other screenshot is real? You might as well say Bowser Jr never happened
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>>259882464
Yeah, but have you ever made a game?

On a serious note, I don't know why he feels the need to shun not only the tourney community but the entire community by actively ignoring character requests and clone fixing that has been around for two games. That's just being an obstinate little shit. I don't even know why Sakurai would spurn everyone in that manner, it doesn't make any logical sense.
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>>259881860

REMEMBER KIDS

ITS SHIT IF IT AINT MELEE 2.0 NO MATTER HOW MUCH IT IMPROVES FROM BRAWL

>Ignoring that Doctor Mario and Dark Pit are in the same boat as Lucina, not taking anybody else's spot and is just a bonus

If they werent there, you werent gonna get another character in their place, they are literally free bonuses that took no effort, so fuck off
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>>259882464
Wolf was my main too; so I'm feeling this. Dark Pit was added but Wolf and Lucas were taken away? Are you kidding me?
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>>259881860
agree with this 100%. not putting in ridley would just be an insult, especially when you wasted time on dark pit / lucinia / dr mario etc.

its literally indefensible, but some people (nintendrones) will try
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>>259882698
All Star mode is real. There was a leaker named All star who was fake.
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>>259882926
I'd rather not have them at all than have a constant reminder that he decided to bring back fucking Dr. Mario of all characters from Melee
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MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER posted this, this morning during all the video shit

http://imgur.com/92NOfCW
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To the leakfags:

Look at this pic and ask yourself "Is it easier to believe that leaker got a copy from ESRB or whatever, leaked shit, and got shut down by Nintendo or to assume he's full of shit?"

Unless we get some solid evidence from Nintendo itself regarding the leak's veracity, it should not be considered as definitively true or definitively false.
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>>259883101
MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER is a piggybacking faggot, don't listen to what he says.
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>>259883101
That isn't structured too well. Is that saying that all of those are fake, or only the second line?
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>>259882859

Sakurai hates making Smash games but Iwata keeps forcing him and guilt tripping him into doing it, plus his massive autism doesn't let him abandon the series, so he copes by fucking and torturing the fanbase.
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>>259883416
Well there were videos. That leads me to believe there's at least a kernel of truth
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>>259883416
Videos convinced me
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>>259883619
Videos are only marginally more reliable than screenshots, and I'd still prefer to get independent proof that what we see in the videos is correct instead of taking it at face value like so much of /v/ is doing.
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>>259883437
he posted DLC list saying Lucas Ice CLimbers, Snake, Wolf, Chorus Men would be DLC but he admits he was just fucking with us


the other characters on the top are the final newcomers
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>>259883416
At this point it's easier to believe the former. Only an absolute retard with absurd mental gymnastics could doubt it now.
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I don't give a fuck who takes credit for what, I believe what I see. If there are two leakers at each other's throats, fighting for attention, I can just wait it out and see the final game. But I don't believe for a second, based on official promotional material, that Ridley isn't in. Not without proof.
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>>259883101
when I looked at it Dixie and Ridley weren't there
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>>259883804
It's real. Stop fooling yourself.
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>>259883101
He got that from Vaanrose's inside guys and then turned on them. Go check out Vaanrose's comments
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>>259883861
So, my final question is this: Do we know if this is the same individual who posted the videos. If it is not, then this isn't verifiable and my money to buy a WiiU and Smash is going into my PC and PS4 support fund.
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>>259883416
You have to admit that some of the pictures and the videos especially do look convincing. Sure we don't know anything for sure until get official confirmation but it's not hard to believe they're real at this point.
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I don't care about any of this.
Just tell me if Ridley is in or not that is the only thing I want to know please.
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>>259884350

How about you fucking link them?
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>>259884363
Apparently MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER took all of Vaanrose's shit and put it on /v/, or at least that's what I think OP said.
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>>259884443
Even ignoring whatever leaks happened, you can clearly see that he's pretty damn likely. Nothing with any real reliability has made claims either way.
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>>259884443
We don't know yet.
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>>259884443

No one knows, he wasn't unlocked in the video if he is playable, and if he is not playable Pyrosphere is only on the WiiU version and the video is from the 3ds.
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>>259884350
link?
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>>259880050
YES! The ruse continues!
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>>259884571
Because it's in the middle of a bigass thread on smashboards and i'm on my phone. There are screenshots floating around on here and on /ssbg/ though. Hopefully someone will post them
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>>259884706
I wish the leaker could have played a match in pyrosphere to see if he's there as a boss or not.
That would put an end to all this.
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>>259884924

What part of "the pyrosphere is only on the WiiU version" is so hard to understand that it completely flew over your head?
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>>259884924

Read that post again.
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>>259884924
Pyrosphere is on WII U ONLY DIPSHIT.
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>>259882859

Do you even understand that Smash is a Japanese game made for Japanese players first and foremost, and they don't give a shit about Ridley and K Rool and whoever?

He takes character requests, but mainly from Japanese polls.
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>>259885126
>>259885265
>>259885279
I'm sorry, the hype is affecting my ability to read.
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>>259885282

Oh my god, it's a picture of Ridley from Smash64 fucking amazing find.
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>>259885282
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>>259880050
cry more
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>>259885282
>thinking deleting it will save you

i can still see it you fucking moron
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>>259885405
Plus, he have doesn't playable version. All he has is a DVD made for an ESRB rating. It's why the video suddenly cuts to other modes and why it has no visible border between the screens.
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>>259884924
He's definitely at minimuma boss, but then again:
>clone ridley and regular ridley are two separate characters
>we saw dark pit and gameand watch long before they were revealed
>ect
We basically have no idea until the japs unlock everything in smash.
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>>259885606
>>259885282
>>259885678

DELETE THIS!
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>>259885856


MOSHI MOSHI OKINAWA JESUS DESU OKAIRIA GOMENASAI GAKI YAMAMOTO CHAN NII NE SAN SAMA OMAE WA SHINDEIRU
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>>259882926
Not true. King Dedede was cut from Melee so we could get the 6 clones instead. With the 5 other spots there are more potential clones, so all the clones dev time together could have been used on a unique character.
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>>259883875
Why so? A single video proves nothing except that the leaker has a video camera. Show me a second leak from a seperate source that also confirms Shulk, Bowser Jr, and the rest and I might reconsider but until then the ball's in his court.

>>259884279
>>259884427
I don't care how convincing they look. Either they're true or they're not, and until we get official confirmation I'm not buying it. Sorry to rain on your leak-filled parade, but not everyone can be convinced that it's real just by watching a semi-decent video.

Plus, notice the following:
>Shulk has...
>Marth's recovery
>Link's down air
>Links up-b as his down b
>Marth's edge recovery attack
>Link's foreward smash
>only unique move is mode change

Doesn't it seem odd that the character with the most potential for an unorthodox fighting style (for a swordsman, at least) has all those ripped-off moves?
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>>259885856
hello?
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>>259886129


????
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>>259886070
Or instead of adding a character nobody wanted like Duck Hunt Dog they could've spent time on giving the main villain of one of their biggest franchises his own moveset.
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>>259886076

>Doesn't it seem odd that the character with the most potential for an unorthodox fighting style (for a swordsman, at least) has all those ripped-off moves?

>meanwhile in Ganondorf
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>>259886076
He uses a fucking sword.
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>>259886076

>Doesn't it seem odd that the character with the most potential for an unorthodox fighting style (for a swordsman, at least) has all those ripped-off moves?

Actually, no, it does not surprise me at all because Sakurai is a fucking hack.
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>MFW still hope for Ridley
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>>259886076
>Doesn't it seem odd that the character with the most potential for an unorthodox fighting style (for a swordsman, at least) has all those ripped-off moves?
It does, but in a game where Ganondorf is a Captain Falcon clone of all things it sure wouldn't surprise me.

I'm not saying you'll have to believe them, I'm still skeptical myself, but at least admit that even if they are fakes, they're pretty convincing ones.
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>>259886384
Your point? All the other swordsmen have their own styles and moves. You people who keep belching this "Hurr hurr sword-users are so limited!" idiocy need to shut up already.
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>>259886076

What about that spinny move where he crouches? What about Bowser Jr? What about the fact that Bowser has his new moveset?
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>>259886267
Nobody wanted Duck Hunt Doh despite being in more than one Smash mod/fangame. Ok
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>>259886076
It's time to give up. Accept it now so you won't be as disappointed later.
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>>259886384
>>259886470
>>259886365
What happened to his whole "I can see the future" gimmick? It was only a key plot point in his game as well as a gameplay mechanic, after all.

>>259886536
I did say that, but on essentially every smash thread but this one I was told that I was in denial and also a ridleyfag. Like it's my fault that I like to have more proof than most /v/irgins are satisfied with.
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>>259886503
It's pretty hilarious that he's still not deconfirmed after all this shit.
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>>259886737
That's actually pretty sad.
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>>259886241
>being this new
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>>259886772
Why would I be disappointed that a character who I thought to be absent IS in the game? If anything I'd be pleasantly surprised.
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>>259886581
Have you played the fucking game Shulk is from? He literally has a move called Air Slash that looks just like it does in the leaked video. So why would it be a ripped move if the attack originated from his own game?
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>>259882053

Are you fucking blind to OP's text?

Allstar mode is locked, meaning there is secret characters

>REDEEM THE ROSTER

The cancer killing the industry
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>>259886893
I was being sarcastic. Of course, people want him.
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>>259886965
Then why do you seem to be fighting it so hard? This is some pretty convincing evidence. If the multiple videos and all of the images leaked weren't enough, Nintendo shutting everything related to it down should be very telling. They even went as far as shutting someone's dropbox down in ssbg.
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>>259887163

That doesn't mean the locked characters are going to be the supposedly leaked characters on those text leaks you stupid Pan Paniscus.
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>>259882464

Anon, clones dont take a characters spot

We arent gonna suddenly get another character if Dark Pit, Lucina and Doctor Mario werent put in, they are literally bonus's

>IGNORING POPULAR FAN REQUEST

>What is Megaman

>What is Punch Out

>BUT MY ONE SIDED CHARACTER

>BUT RI-

Ridley is still up in the air since there is more secret characters, shut the fuck up
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>>259887201
All things considered I wouldn't have been surprised.
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>Nobody wanted Duck Hunt Dog

Nigger, he's my favorite reveal so far. I've always wanted him. But like Fawful, I never really talked about him because I assumed NEVER EVER. Duck Hunt/Mario Bros was my first vidya and everyone's wanted to shoot that fucker in the head for 30 years. That + his art style is going to make him one of my mains, right behind Yoshi and the Big Guy
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>>259887294
Being convincing is not enough in my eyes- either it is confirmed or it is not, and for the moment it's the latter. I will gladly recant my opinions when (or if) it is confirmed to be real, and until that time no amount of browbeating or arguing will change my stance. Is that so hard to understand?
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>some how convinced a dude to give him valuable footage
>lied about dlc twice
>apparently even responsible for that Palutena fake from spring
he was some next level troll to be sure
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Just fucking get this over this, my expectations for the big bike has been all over the place from being deconfirmed in April to confirmed to neutral as of now.
Dixie and Mewtwo are pretty much guaranteed at this point though.
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>>259887429

>guy explicitly says he doesn't care about ridley
>HUR RIDLEYFAGS

Besides, this

>Anon, clones dont take a characters spot

Is wrong, regardless of how cheap it is to make a clone character, it still takes time, effort and man power to make them. You cannot know if a character got cut because of them, for all you know there was some character that got cut because 3 clones was better than that one 1 unique character. You don't know, i don't know, no one knows.
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>>259887429
>remove characters that were made popular by smash, and could have been saved
>remove Snake
>remove Mewtwo
>add in Mario in a different shirt
>add in a recolor of pitt
>add in a character who isn't even in Mario Kart anymore
>add in a character that has existed for all of 4 seconds
>the city of you
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>>259887661

Bowser is bigger than ever before.
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>>259880050
>trusting smashboard mods
>ever

the same people who threatened to leak personal information of leakers if they didn't fess up
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>>259887717
If he wasn't fucking with us before he sure is now.
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>This leak is on a bunch of random shit like Metro and Entertainment Weekly

But Sakurai wanted to keep it a surprise!
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>>259887429
Fucking this, it's especially annoying when people get mad as hell when they add new clones but get just as mad when they remove old clones. Make up your fucking mind you fags.
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>>259884706
WAIT A MINUTE.
Pyrosphere is Wii U only?

What if Pyrosphere is like the Spirit Track's level. By that I mean Ridley appears as a boss but if someone is playing as Ridley, something else will show up instead. Just like how in the Spirit Tracks stage the conductor changes if someone is playing as Toon Link.
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>>259887883
Nope. Think bigger anon!
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>>259883416
are you fucking retard?

we got a whole photo album and full length videos about bowser jr and shulk and ganon by the leaker
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>>259880050
>the original text leak was DHD/Pitoo/Dr. Mario/Shulk/Bowser Jr and predicted his Koopa car, alts, etc
>this had no mention of Chorus Men/Ridley/Dixie/Mewtwo

but it did
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>>259888174
King DDD ?
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If this were a Kojima game, I would have no doubt that the leaks were all part if a bigger ruse orchestrated by Hideo himself.

Unfortunately, I don't think Sakurai is as big of a ruseman as Kojima, so these leaks are legit and unplanned. Sakurai is probably the 2nd biggest ruseman out there, but there's a huge powergap between Kojima and Sakurai.
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>>259887364
Just that fact that there are more characters should be enough to make anyone happy.
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>>259887980
Vaanrose has gotten more correct then Gematsu's ass. The detail he goes into on these characters is unprecedented, and pretty much everything he states is confirmed in the gameplay videos, except maybe the Koopalings alts, but even that seems likely considering there's a trophy with Larry in a Clown Copter.
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>>259886826
hes in as a stage hazard
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>>259888174

I think Charizard is bigger.
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>>259888221
Convincing and confirming are two different things. Sure, they look real enough but it's stupid to assume that automatically makes them real.
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>>259886076
i dont think you saw the imgur album you delusional faggot. good luck disproving all those pictures
http://imgur.com/a/PzeCw
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>>259887670
>no amount of browbeating or arguing will change my stance
So then there really isn't a point in talking to you at all, is there?
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R.I.P. in piss
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>>259887724
somewhere on /n/ there is an SSB reaction image on someone else's post
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>>259888413
>Images are revealed
>SHOW US GAMEPLAY VIDEOS FUCKING LEAKER FAGGOT
>Videos are revealed
>IT'S EASY TO FAKE SMASH GAMEPLAY YOU CAN DO IT WITH PROJECT M
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>>259888413
you are a retard
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>>259888575
>>259888786
Tricked!
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>>259888517
Not if you keep insisting that the leaks are the literal, undeniable truth and that I'm a denialfag/ridleyfag for not being as easily persuaded as you are.

Like>>259888575 and>>259888786


I'm not going to stop you from believing your leaks. I will merely warn you that there's a chance you'll just be setting yourself up for disappointment. I lose nothing if I'm wrong, after all.
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>>259888413
>>259888413
Maybe you should thing about stoping posting on 4chan. People can be really bad with spergs like you.
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>>259888298
my point still stands
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>>259887364

Sakurai is heavily teasing Ridley

He hates creating fake hype

Despite all this, we STILL dont know Ridley's situation

He's in
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>>259888942
Not my fault that they assume a leaker speaks the word of God and set themselves up for disappointment when he falls short. Just look at Gematsu- it only took one mistake to bring his whole leak crumbling down.
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>>259888897
Ridleyfag here.
You're fucking delusional and should probably get off /v/ and do some introspection.
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>>259888897
You're kind of guy who said that Bloodborne was fake and was just an elaborate ruse
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>>259888897
>i have nothing to lose by hoping the leaks are fake

you lose all common sense and rationality, you sound like a moron.
these leaks are the realest things ive ever seen in my entire life, for you to even begin to think they could be faked is just delusional.
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>>259889207
>being called delusional by a Ridleyfag
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>>259889128
Except that leak had little more than a small list of names.
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So this was really for the ESRB right? That would make the zoom-in of Tharja's ass even funnier.
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>>259881860
the only thing I'm pissed about is ice-climbers, if I don't get ice-climbers then I will be pissed.

Lucario and Ice-climbers are my FUCKING MAIN
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>>259888221
You were seriously autistic enough to create that. Have you never won a argument before and had to save that just to make yourself feel better? Kill yourself
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>>259889073
You give Sakurai too much credit there. He simply doesn't care about what any group wants.
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>>259889073
Actually, the famitsu scan said that there exists a "big shadow" on the pyrosphere.

I don't see how that isn't enough proof.
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>Bowser Jr
>Cut from 2 fucking Mario Karts
>In Smash Bros
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>>259889317
That's precisely why they zoomed in on her ass, and the asses and cleavage of other trophies. So they could rate the game accordingly.
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>>259889484
Source?
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>>259887724
>Dixie and Mewtwo are pretty much guaranteed at this point though.
After bringing back Dr. Mario there's literally is no reason not to bring back Mewtwo and the lack of a DK newcomer would be a bad idea in the wake of Tropical Freeeze and Returns.

Ridley and the Chorus Men/whatever RH character is what really throws me off in the various leaks, especially the one from July 27. That could easily be someone riding in the coat tails of the Vaanroose leak or another insider.
Either way there's no doubt there's more characters.
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>>259880050

>Ice Climbers cut
>9 Mario Characters
>Dark Pit
>NINE MARIO CHARACTERS
>NINE FUCKING MARIO CHARACTERS

I'm gonna' hold this leak is fake because its simply too shit to be true.
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>>259889671
So if the creators design a Woman with the proportions of a goddess the game suddenly goes from E to T?
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>>259889671
Why do they hate her booty so much
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>>259889784
My thoughts exactly
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>>259889282
So do the leakfags if they end up being wrong. It looks real enough, I'll give them that- but until release I'm not buying it. I'm not discounting it completely, but I will err on the side of caution, which the majority of /v/ seems to be bitterly opposed to. Why must I act as if these leaks are the undeniable truth or be met with lunatics screaming denial just because I won't give into peer pressure? Is it so wrong to reserve one's judgment without letting high expectations get in the way of one's better judgment?
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>>259889784

>implying the best Nintendo series SHOULDN'T get a fuckton of reps
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Can't you motherfuckers just wait 2 more weeks?
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>My friend is bitching that the game is still floaty and slow

Is it beyond the realm of reason to assume that, perhaps, Sakurai included an option that alters the gravity/speed of gameplay, much like how damage ratios and other options were available to toggle in previous installments? Could that be a thing?
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>>259890392
Only if you enjoy cries of "DENIAL" and "BTFO".
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>>259889930
There's a difference between healthy skepticism and being overly cautious to the point of ridiculousness. Regardless of the content within the footage the fact that Nintendo had it taken down is proof enough that it's real.
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>>259882926

>Wanting more character variety and less clones = wanting Melee 2.0

Not one person mentioned comp Smash. Go fuck yourself with a cactus.
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>>259883619
The Bowser Jr is really, really convincing.

I have to admit though that Shulk's animations are terrible. And I'd feel more comfortable if there was footage of Duck Hunt, a character who would likely be way harder to "fake".
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>>259890552
Not necessarily. Any idiot can pretend to be a corporation and file a DMCA. It happens all the time on YouTube. Even I could do it.

And I'd rather be too cautious than set myself up for what could very well be false hope.
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>>259890449
That doesn't go to what floaty means. Take some time to play Melee for an hour, and then try Brawl for 30 minutes.
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>>259890449
Hes just analpained that wavedashing is never coming back.
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>>259888062
>>259887429
They could of fixed Ganondorf/ToonLink's movesets instead of adding more fucking clones.
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>>259890680

This. I don't know how to describe it, but Shulk and Ganondorf, their models and animations, just look...wrong somehow. I still don't buy this leak.
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>>259890392
I kind of wanted this leak to hurry up and be confirmed or deconfirmed. Well, this is what happens when it's confirmed.
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>>259890870
Clones are not inherently a bad thing. Having a heavier or lighter version of a popular character is cool.
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>>259890934
it got taken down by Nintendo. Buy it.
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>>259890934
Ganondorf too, yeah. Except I'm willing to write it off to the dev team's incompetence.

If it is fake though they did a great job on Bowser Jr.
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>>259881676
wow... good one carlos. you can stay.
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MF Leaker lied to me

So...no Mewtwo afterall?

Aw...that's ok, I guess.
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>>259890150
I wouldn't mind if they were good ones instead of the two most hated ones.
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>>259891009
You know what's cooler? Giving characters there own fuckin moveset instead of adding more clones.
They are definitely inherently bad in this situation, when there was a clear other option over inflating the rooster.
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>>259890934
Look mate believe whatever you want but you're only setting yourself up for potential further disappointment if the leak turns out to be true
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pls samurai give me any rhythm heaven and any dk character and i'll be tip top
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>>259889735
Google it.
I don't save Ridley related pictures cause I don't care about him.
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>>259891316
Making a character takes a long time and they might end up really shitty like Ice Climbers or Metaknight or Pokemon Trainer. It may be that they simply cant come up with a good kit for Gannondorf.
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>>259891256
Mewtwo is in the Vaanrose leak, so you should be happy.

Vaanrose is the only credible person left in this whole leak business.
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>>259890934
Denial as fuck.

They fucking gave you videos and were taken down for Nintendo.
What else do you faggots need?
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>>259891770
Quick, who else is mentioned in the Vaanrose leak?
Mewtwo and who else?
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>cut original characters like snake, ice climbers, and wolf
>add shit like Doctor Mario, Dark Pit, Lucina
>make shulk a clone of marth
>make bowser jr. a clone of diddy kong
>make ridley a clone of charizard
>keep ganondorf a clone

is this the fucking laziest roster of all time? it's like they completely half assed everything and cut original good characters like ice climbers because they were "too hard to implement"
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>>259891761
>really shitty like Ice Climbers or Metaknight
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>>259891885
Ridley, Choir Kids, and Dixie Kong.
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Did the Brawl leak get widespread like this? I barely remember it
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>>259890449
That's not exactly what people mean when they call it floaty. They mean that your attacks lack impact and don't feel rewarding, nor can you further capitalize on a successful attack. This is attributed to a lack of hitstun, slower falling speed for all characters, throws going way to far, or being blown back at low percentages while only really being vulnerable to KO at high percentages. This makes the game into a hit and run contest. Get a solid hit in, go on the defensive, wait for another opening. It's viable on a competitive level, Brawl is actually deeply competitive game if you know the scenebut not that fun to watch and gets boring fast on a casual level.
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>>259892061

Brawl had Japan time to lessen the impact of the leaks.

The big shitstorm was Wolf's final smash being leaked
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>>259892001

Wouldn't there be one empty spot on the character select screen if this is true? or would that be reserved for the Mii characters in offline mode?
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>>259890934
Did you arleady see the Bowser Jr. gameplay footage? Just about 95% of his moves couldn't be faked.

Examples include:
>The clown car being able to open its mouth and lick to attack
>The clown car having a hatch open in the front to shoot a cannonball
>His up tilt is the paintbrush
>The clown car's boxing gloves

Pretty much the only move he does that could be "faked" is his recover, as people have pointed out it seems similar to Diddy's, but that doesn't really mean anything. Megaman and Sonic have the same recovery as well.
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>>259882698
"All Star" refers to a user, not the game mode.

Confused me for a second, as well.
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>>259891968
Not shitty as in bad but badly designed. Metaknight kit is annoying as fuck to play against and Ice Climbers does not make good use of the double character gimmick.
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>>259891761
I've seen people come up with movesets for them everyfucking where.
How the hell couldn't people payed to come up with movesets not think of one?
Here's an obvious one. Make Toon Links final smash him summoning a controllable tornado.
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>>259891761
>really shitty like Ice Climbers
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>>259892209
It could be. So far, only the characters in the screens are in, so we don't know if Vaanrose means what he says about those 4 or if he's playing us like a fiddle.

My best guess though is that Mewtwo and Ridley probably are in regardless.
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I know why MOTHERFUCKING LEAKER and All Star are, but who is Vaanrose?
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>No one have a shit about the Ice Climbers until they were gone

Robin Williams all over again.
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>>259892061
>>259892061

all I remember is everyone was pissed there was "only" 35 characters and no ridley/3 landmasters
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>>259892209
There are empty slots on the character selection screen dude.
5 of them to be exact.
Each row is 9 characters long.
Second to last row is 8 characters long.
Last row is 4 characters long with the random box making it 5.
So the second row has room for one character, while the last row has room for four more.
One plus four equals five.
If there was no empty spaces, the screen would be entirely filled.
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>>259891954
>wolf
>original
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>>259892503
Did you miss tons of people saying Ice Climbers and Snake were their most-desired veterans for the past two fucking years?
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The name of the NoA Employee fired and sued is Daan Koopman. He Leaked the game to a circle of friends who then leaked the images and videos further. This is straight from a friend of one of the guys who leaked images.
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>>259892354
Yeah but are those movesets better than Captain Falcons is the question and to be honest I doubt it.
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>>259892503
Tons of people did you nigger faggot. Even in the "tourneyfag" community because ice climbers is a very good character.
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>>259892638

I'm referring to the Vaanrose leak, which only listed 4 more characters.
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>>259892001
Wat are you for fucking real?!
But wait, there's room for five characters, but Mewtwo, Ridley, Choir Kids, and Dixie Kong only make up four. What's the fifth one?
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>>259892736
>Daan Koopman
>Koop

Koopalings confirmed?
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>>259887429
Except that's wrong motherfucker. Sakurai has said on multiple occasions that ANY new character, clone or otherwise, has to be playtested for hours upon hours to make sure there aren't any game breaking bugs. Ignoring clones, especially multiple clones, means adding a unique character is a viable alternative. And yes, I'd rather have a single original character than 3-5 clones. Fuck padding the roster.
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>>259892658
I did miss that yes. Everyone hates Snake.
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>>259892503

Same shit happened with Mewtwo in brawl. NOBODY even fucking used mewtwo in melee, I've never even heard of anyone using him as their main. At least ice climbers were top tier broken and people actually used them.
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>>259892657
>wolf
>not original

Do you just go the whole game pressing nothing but the B button? Do your eyes also fail to comprehend the distinct properties Wolf has over Fox and Falco?
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Why do you faggots still believe that Ridley will be on the roster?
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>>259892765
That's awfully fuckin subjective anon.
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>>259892827
Mach Rider
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>people still think those 5 extra slots on the roster aren't reserved for future DLC
We already saw the full roster. Get over it.
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>>259892939
I did use him, I loved him actually.

Well after all I maybe was the only on ;_;
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Honestly the stage and character news thus far has been really disappointing, and despite pre-ordering the 3DS version ages ago I just ain't hype any more. But again, that's just me personally. I have no interest in Little Mac, Megaman, or any of the Fire Emblem animu characters. Pacman was something of a delightful surprise though, I'll admit. Aside from that though it's been a whole lotta nothing.

I really need to see more stage footage and at least one more newcomer to get me excited again. Make it happen, Sakurai.
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>>259887849
Roy was in Melee before his game was even out, sooooo...
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>>259893040
>future DLC
>we already saw the full roster

You're contradicting yourself.
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>>259893005
Dunno about that. Captain Falcon has one of the best movesets in the game.
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>>259888026
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>>259893143
And still nothing to back up your words.
Again awfully fuckin subjective.
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>>259893123
I'm talking about the roster that's available on release.
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>>259893040
I don't believe there will be DLC, but I also do not believe that the final roster is going to leave all that empty space at the bottom and have Yoshi directly in the middle of the Mario reps.
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>>259893215
Captain Falcon is the most popular smash character by far. It is not subjective to say his moveset is good.
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>>259893345
Melee's roster left space at the bottom.
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>>259893181
It's the same general pose but the actual model looks nothing like it.
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>>259891294
>two most hated ones.
Source on your bullshit?
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>>259885265
have a better reaction image
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>>259893357
Popular doesn't equal good moveset dumbass

So why dont you actually explain why it's good instead of continually dodging the question?
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>>259883101
To me, this seems a lot more likely to be possible than the imgur post. Anyone can make that. This one was posted a month ago and EVERYTHING in the post is true so far.

>But all we saw was a photo! That could easily have been photoshopped

And gameplay footage with Bowser Jr. was also photoshop? The leak is real and there's a 99% chance Mewtwo, Ridley, Dixie, Shulk, Impa, and Ridley are in as well.

Then there's the fact screen shots show's that All Star mode is in the game, but is locked. All Star mode is only unlocked when you have unlocked every character. This is further proven by the fact that every roster looks nice and tidy. Looks pretty. Why the fuck would the 3DS Roster have 4 rows of 9, a row of 8, and then a row of 5? There's clearly more characters to be unlocked. and we all know who they're going to be.
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>>259893357

I think his moveset is shit.

There, I just completely disproved you, that was easy.
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>>259893143
Yes Captain Falcon has a good moveset. But when you make him slow as molasses suddenly he can't full take advantage of his moveset. Besides, they made up movesets for Fox and Captain Falco when they had NOTHING to reference for. They could've easily made up one for Ganondorf
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>>259893357
>Captain Falcon is the most popular smash character by far

That's not even close to being true. Mario is.
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>>259892990
It was the same fucking case we have now with Marth and Lucina, and probably Mario/Dr.Mario & Pit/Dark Pit.

Get fucking over it with your small diferences with Fox, Falco & Wolf.

>Landmaster
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>>259889847
No, but if they show blatant, detailed panty shots when you tilt a trophy it might.
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>yfw Duck Hunt Dog turns out to be an Olimar clone, but with ducks
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>>259892736
Nintendaan?
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>>259893591
If Alph is an alt then that contradicts Sakurai claiming different characters not being alts.
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>>259893591
Anyone who believed Gematsu should believe this, everything is 100% accurate, not sure about Shulk's stage though
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>>259893591
>koopalings as alts
Can someone please explain to me how that doesn't contradict Sakurai's statement about how different characters wouldn't be alt costumes?
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>>259893640
I have no doubt they can but it would be worse than his current one and take a lot of time so I can see why Nintendo would rather make 2 clones.
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is the metal sonic as sonic alt real?
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>>259888575
>tfw I know a guy who said it's probably all modded through Brawl

Does nobody not know how fucking janky most custom movesets on Brawl Vault are

Even Roy in Project M leaves a bit to be desired. Mewtwo less so

Fucking Bowser Jr's animations are perfect
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>Make Koopalings alternate costumes
>Make Dark Pit a separate character clone

Illogical
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>huge roster with over 50 characters
>pac-man, megaman, mario, and sonic are all playable in the same game
>people still complaining because their precious purple dragon isn't in it
>made because one character OUT OF 50 isn't in it

you guys are all spoiled whiney children
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>>259880050

Is anyone else fine with the roaster if this is what it ends up being? I am, Ice Climbers, Snake and Wolf getting cut sucks but they added a lot of cool characters. There was no way they were gonna satisfy everybody, anyway.
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>>259894126
Don't forget they modded the gameplay to be consistent from what we've seen in Smash 4
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>>259893715
You're fucking retarded. Those differences with Fox and Wolf or more than small. I shouldn't even have to go into detail as to how they are different USE YOUR FUCKING EYES His smash attacks are different, his tilts are different, his normal A combo is different, his aerials are different and the properties of his B moves are similar but in the end are DIFFERENT. Lucina's moveset, both A and B, are EXACTLY the same as Marth but they have different properties.
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>>259893640
The worst part is they don't need to make up one for Ganondorf like they did with Fox or Falcon. He has plenty to draw from.
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>>259894241
No man everyone was an Ice Climbers main in brawl.
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>>259893919

I think the reasoning is that if they play even slightly differently than the original character, they would have their own slot (Lucina plays similarly to Marth, but a few differences let her have her own slot).

If every single Koopaling played exactly the same, and they could considering they'd all be using the clown copter anyway, they can be justified as only alts.
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>>259893430
That empty space was treated like a random slot.
That wasn't needed so Brawl ended up a perfect square.
Its going to be the same for this roster.
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>>259894241
>>people still complaining because their precious purple dragon isn't in it

But he IS in.

This roster is pretty much perfect. I would have liked K. Rool and Isaac and some NEVER EVERs like Fawful or Rawk Hawk, but what can you do.
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>>259894338
But none of them use the paint brush
So they don't fight the same.
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>>259893919
They're all using the clown copter, which seems to be what's used to dish out all of, or at least the majority of the attacks.
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>>259894257
I'm satisfied with Pac-Man, Little Mac and Mega Man, so anyone else that looks cool is just gravy. I didn't really want anyone in particular so I'm not too fazed by the recent leaks. Bowser Jr. looks fun as hell though.
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I'd like it more if the character "Duck Hunt" was just named "Dog"
It sounds funnier.
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>>259894230
Have you
Ever
Made
A
Game
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>>259894338
Fucking what.
What decides if they play differently though?
None of the Koopalings use a paintbrush ever yet Bowser Jr, uses his in the video.
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>this thread
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>>259893919
The Clown Copter does all the attacking. Pretty much everyone could be Bowser Jr. Even Ridley
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What sucks about this leak is that it clearly shows why this game's Japan Time wasn't as in depth as Brawl's: It had less content to show. They showed off the interesting newcomers people wanted or were surprised by, showed the huge changes in characters like Bowser, to get everyone hyped.

Problem is that they didn't put NEARLY as much effort in the things they didn't show.
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>>259894278
Bullshit. That Bowser, Kirby, Pikachu, they're all flawless too

People gotta learn what they're talking about before making arguments like that
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>>259894241
I'm just bummed over Ganondorf man. I don't like some of the other characters chosen, but I'm not about to throw a hissy fit over it.
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>>259894636
Bullshit
he also uses the paint brush
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>>259894636
Why isn't the character called Clown Copter?
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>>259894257
I'm alright with it.

Mach Rider would have made my year but I guess it's hopeless now. I will still miss Wolf but to be honest, while I liked him way more than Fox/Falco, he's not a big priority for me. I also feel pretty bad for Lucasfags and Ice Climbers (I never used them but I enjoyed their company).

I also hope Dark Pit isn't a 1:1 clone and has at least a few different b moves or something.

All other big names would have just been cake for me, but Mach Rider was really the only one I would have gone crazy for.

>>259893591
So where is Ridley, Mewtwo and Impa coming from?

I mean they aren't in the leaked pictures, there's no mention of them in that quote on the forum, and MFL proved to be a troll with his DLC stuff. I know there are probably more hidden characters, but if they know who they are why don't they leak them in a picture as well?
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>>259894770
So could Ridley
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>>259894603
>None of the Koopalings use a paintbrush ever
And that applies to Smash how?
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>>259881860
>An exclusion of Ridely wouldn't be my only reason for not buying the game, it would just be the straw that broke the camel's back.
Fucking this.
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>>259894257
I just wanted either Shulk, Isaac, or Travis.
Don't care about the cuts since I never played those characters, so I'm completely satisfied.
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>>259894636
Check the video again, his up tilt is his paintbrush.
The koopalings alt is probably not true.
Which is funny, since it seems like half of the people excited about Bowser Jr. at all are only excited about those alts.
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>>259894868
Why is Ridley so fucking important in your lifes holy shit
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>>259889738
>>259887724

I dunno, that leaker guy's been a bit of a ruseman regarding the remaining characters
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>>259894867
Because the Paintbrush is apart of the moveset
Are you even reading the conversation?
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>>259893591
Wait, where do we have evidence of the koopalings other than this leak?
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Is anyone else totally surprised that Bowser Jr. isn't just a faster/weaker clone of Bowser?

As soon as I heard he was in I was pretty much convinced he was going to be a clone, but now he's got his own very unique moveset and all the koopalings as alts. Good on you, Samurai.
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I feel bad for Ice Climbers, Golden Sun and Konami. Other than that my main, which was more likely to get cut, is in. And I'm still dying to play the game as Robin, Villager, and now Dog.
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>>259892736
Koopman runs a fan site, he's not an employee.
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>>259895035
>lifes
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>>259895145
Ness never used half his moves
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>>259895196

he's a clone of diddy kong
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Ridleyfags are in full force now.
Cant wait to see them when their purple big shit is confirmed for stage boss.
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So how does an ESRB member know that Ridley, Mewtwo, Dixie, and Chorus Men are in the game if they weren't shown in the videos?
Did they just make that shit up because people would believe it since everything else was true?
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>>259895145
You don't get it. How does that apply to Smash, where most character's movesets are pulled straight out of Sakurai's ass?
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>>259895196
>Is anyone else totally surprised that Bowser Jr. isn't just a faster/weaker clone of Bowser?

Nope.
Pretty much everyone saw him using his paintbrush to do paint attacks of some kind.
Him using the koopa clown car is a cool idea as well.

This whole thing reminded me of how people were calling that Rosalina would just be a Peach clone if she got in. And we know how that turned out. People just need to give Sakurai more credit.

IF she gets in, the third one in this pattern will be Dixie Kong. People have been going on and on about her and how she would just be Diddy with a ponytail. She is pretty much 100% guarenteed to me that if she gets in, she won't be a clone.
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>>259895424
They act like so autistic when they talk about Ridley

>hurr no ridley no buy

They fucking makes entire delusional threads of how can Ridley be in the roster yet with "proof" that even themselves can't believe
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>>259888575
you forgot:

>videos get taken down by nintendo
>W-WELL ANYONE CAN POSE AS NINTENDO AND FILE FALSE COPYRIGHT CLAIMS

denialfags are getting desperate, man
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>>259886064
>OMAE WA SHINDEIRU
I lost my sides
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>>259895196
Yep. Kinda weird too but it could be a lot worse. I'd imagine he'd be like Peach in that he could hover for a bit.
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>>259895446
True. They're all taken from his allies Paula and Poo. Aside from PK Flash. That said, his main ability is named by the player, and even though Rockin' is the default name, I can see why they did it. I'd still liked to have seen it though.
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>>259895018
I was totally against BJ at first but that fucking video made me a believer

goddamn the clown car looks hype as fuck
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>>259895446
The point is Sakurai said characters who play even slightly differently would get their own slot.
The question is why do the Koopalings and Alph not have their own slot when they have clear differences.
It also would draw into question why Sakurai even made Lucina slightly different from Marth when he could of made her just an alt
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>>259895196
Would've preferred it if he was a clone, but Ganondorf got revamped, honestly. But I am pleasantly surprised.
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>>259895679
>"I am severely lacking in basic reading comprehension, please rape my face"
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>>259895446
>>259895651


The whole point of the conversation is that if the characters have ability differences they'd be different characters completely
See goddamn Lucina and Marth

The paintbrush is a jr exclusive ability/weapon
So why is he bunched with the Koopalings?
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>>259895901
>im a ridley fan, please fuck my thigh anus!
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>>259895679
Are there still anti-Ridleyfags this mad lingering around? The better question is why do you care, dude?
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>>259895852
You're thinking too hard over it. Why aren't Dr. Mario and Pittoo also just costumes? We don't fucking know.
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>>259895901
Then prove me wrong faggot
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>>259895639
they were shown in the video, just not on the early css.
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>>259895852
They dont Play any different because Sakurai says they dont. His game not yours.
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>>259895035
Because it matters so MUCH to them that Metroid gets another rep!

...despite only ever having ONE major recurring character feasible enough to be playable, so much so that there are TWO fucking versions of her in Brawl and Kerfuffle just to have another.

I fucking love Metroid and I fucking love Ridley but Ridleyfags need to fuck off already
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>>259895857
I'm not. Ganondorf looked like a cut/paste from Brawl.
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>>259888026
what it bothers me is that Ness doesn't look like this, I hate the no neck clay model like Ness
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>>259895831
Same. He looks fun as fuck to play as, and I don't give a fuck if the koopalings alt turns out real or fake.
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>>259896137
>they were shown in the video
Can you tell me how you know this?
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>>259896080
The difference between that is that Dr. Mario has his stupid ass pills
And Pittoo has his own weapons
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>>259895534
Holy fuck I know you're joking but wait a minute.

His jab is Diddy's tail

Canon ball is Diddy's popgun

Up B is Diddy's jet pack

COMPARE THE UP TILT QUICK
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>>259895969
>jr exclusive ability/weapon
Not anymore lol
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>>259896110
Lol, prove what, retard?

>An exclusion of Ridely wouldn't be my only reason for not buying the game, it would just be the straw that broke the camel's back
>An exclusion of Ridely wouldn't be my only reason for not buying the game
>wouldn't be my only reason for not buying the game
> it would just be the straw that broke the camel's back
Hurf Durf

Control your autism, son.
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>>259896268
because the leakers obviously know about more characters than we've seen and the video is literally the only source of knowledge they have?
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Photoshop...but if you line up all the fighter on the screen, you have 5 more space so my guess is...

Dixie
Ridley
Mewtwo
Ice Climbers
Chorus Men.
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>>259896056
>Please cram a big, long, scaly purple dingdong up my butthole
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>>259896080
but we do know. it's because they are different mechanically from the characters they are most like
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>>259895192
Doesn't confirm it but heavily implies it due to the fact Lemmy is usually on his ball in the Mario games, not in the clown car. This points towards it being a trophy of him in game since if the leak is true he would be in the clown car
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>>259896247
Let's say, hypothetically, that the Koopaling and Alph alts turn out to be real.

Is the announcer just gonna say BOWSER JR. and OLIMAR? Because that'd be pretty awkward.
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>>259895969
It doesn't matter if the paintbrush is Bowser Jr's exclusive weapon, Sakurai could give it to Lucina for all it mattered. Any canon or established character gets thrown out the window when it comes to smash. The koopalings don't need to play differently when they're in the clown copter, and Alph is exactly the same as Olimar aside from personality, similar to Male and Female Wii Fit Trainer.
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>>259896080

to pad the roster so they can say they have more characters
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>>259896452
Good point
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>>259896360
it doesn't have to be a rectangle
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>>259896360
It's not gonna be ice climbers. They weren't unlockable the past 2 games, if they're default characters, they're not in
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>>259896370
>let me grab your dong at put it straight to my throat!
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At least they made Bowser Jr unique amirite?
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>>259896475
>Being this retarded

Holy shit I'm done trying to explain it to you as to why this conversation is even happening
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>>259896198
Nigga at least he's in. Nobody likes Mother anymore, Earthbound being released here was just a fad
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>>259896080
THat's my point, there's no method to this, Sakurai lied about slight differences equaling a new slot.
He just does whatever he feels like
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>>259896574
fuck I'm tired. I meant "If they're not default characters, they're not in"
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>>259896481
/v/ would have laughed this roster out of the board if you posted it a year ago.
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>>259896269
>And Pittoo has his own weapons
I'm going to laugh if Pittoo isn't just a straight clone. I still would've preferred a better KI rep, but that'd at least redeem him as a character.
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>>259896625
I wish they'd stop acknowledging him. His role was filled 10 times already when he showed up.
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>>259896360
Daisy
Ivysaur
Squirtle
Ice Climber (just one)
Young Link
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The leak is fake guys.

Did you all forget about "Disablad" already? Defend that one, faggot.
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>>259896435
True, pretty much the only person who EVER uses the clown car these days is Jr.
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>>259889784
>Mario
>Dr. Mario
>Luigi
>Peach
>Bowser
>Bowser Jr.
>Rosalina.

I only count seven, my friend.
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>>259896360

what about the mii fighters?

My guess
Sword Mii Fighter
Gun Mii Fighter
Fist Mii Fighter
Blank Space
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>>259896475
The whole point is Sakurai is full of shit!
This argument started cause people tried to justify the Koopalings being alts while Lucina wasn't
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>>259896198
This Ness has a neck and isn't clay model like?
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>>259896285
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bkl-c9v9wk
Someone with the Jr. footage on hand compare the paintbrush to this.
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>>259896815
Yeah, but the positives are far outweighing the negatives at this point. It's only logical to believe the leak currently.
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>>259896669
shut your whore mouth, it's about looking good not about the game
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>>259881860
LOOK AT THIS FAGGOT LOL
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>>259896815
Every mistake falls under the miracle blanket. Early/beta footage.
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>>259896887
Miis take the random slot when they are activated.
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>>259896481
>Impa

But she'd just be a clone of Shiek

And it'd probably be the Skyward Sword version too, which would be pretty weird next to TP Link, Zelda and The Dorf

Maybe Zelda has a best girl alt and Dorf has a Demise alt
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>>259896980
>shut your whore mouth
I can't help but think every single person who says this is from Reddit.
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>>259896334
That's me you're quoting with green text, but you've been arguing with some other fellow. I'm currently reading McCulloch v. Maryland
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>>259896481
>realistic roster
>ridley
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>>259896815
What is "Disablad"?
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Does anyone else feel this game was severely rushed
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>>259896815
A red herring to make people think that the leak was fake and possibly save the leaker from legal issues. Or that guy was possibly fake. Up until this morning I thought this leak was full of shit. The only reason I don't mind it is because supposedly there are more characters that need to be unlocked. Need my big guy in there after all.
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>>259896980
He doesn't have to look nice cause nobody is going to complain. I like Mother too but let's be realistic.
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>>259891761
Practically anything would be better than him being a clone.
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>>259897125
>development starting in 2011
>rushed
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>>259896481
impa being in smash would shine light on why they pushed her so hard in HW from the beginning.
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So what's Shulk/Duck Hunt Dog/Bowser Jr./Dark Pit/Dr. Mario's final smashes going to be?
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Where's the proof Nintendo took it down?
Where's the proof they found the leaker?
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>>259897101
Yeah, because I originally agreed with you and I was pointing out to that autist >>259895035
that nobody was throwing a bitch fit solely because Ridley wasn't in. I'm >>259894868
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>>259896452
Its a good point, but Sakurai already stated with Lucina that he had to choose between adding Chrom, or adding Robin, so he chose Robin, and filled the extra space with Lucina cause "he already had her as a alt for Marth"

So yes, originally Sakurai was going to have it to where you win with Lucina and it says:
AND THE WINNER IS.......MARTH!

But even with this, this is just lending itself to my theory that there won't be any alts that turn you into someone that would have a different name as a different person then you.
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>>259896883
he counts yoshi and wario as mario
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>>259897069
she could work as a greninja clone too. if she gets in at all it'll be a clone though.
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>>259896815
A photoshopped fake to make people think the whole leak itself was fake.

The real "Disabled" image was posted quickly afterward but people mistook it as damage control.
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>>259894603
They have wands. Close enough.
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>>259896669

Earthbound got a lot of VC popularity.
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>>259897228
Full development started after Kid Icarus which was released in 2012.
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>>259897352
That's why I'm calling him fucking retarded because both of those character represent their own respective series.
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>>259895969
>The paintbrush is a jr exclusive ability/weapon
Doesn't matter. Lucas and Ness use Psi abilities that other characters use in their own games.
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>>259895674
>People just need to give Sakurai more credit.

explain lucina, dark pit, ganon, dr mario
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>>259891761

>Ice Climbers
>shitty
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>>259897337
Sorry, man. I can't follow this thread and pretend to read for law school at the same time. My apologies, please continue to enrage that other gentleman.
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>>259896891
They're arguing over an extremely minute difference and it shouldn't come as a surprise by now that Sakurai says things that change throughout development.
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>>259884635
>he's pretty damn likely

the delusions of ridleyfags will persist forever
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>In April 2014, Bandai Namco Games posted a recruitment advertisement on a Japanese career job opportunity website. The recruitment page consisted of a listing for programmers for Super Smash Bros. 6, which is expected to be released in 2015 for both the Wii U and Nintendo 3DS. The page noted there were 120 game developers working on the project at the time, and that the Bandai Namco expected that number to increase to 200. However, shortly after its publication, the page was taken down.[21]

W-What happened to Smash Bros 5?
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>>259897069
>But she'd just be a clone of Shiek
No shit, look at the bottom row. All clones and 3rd parties.
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>>259897263
>Shulk
Chain Attack with Reyn and Dunban leading into MUH NADO BUSTAH

or just straight up MUH NADO BUSTAH

>Duck Hunt
Shooting just like Snake's FS

>Bowser Jr.
Turns into Shadow Mario? Commandeers an Airship? Megaleg?

>Dark Pit
Lightning Chariot because him using the 3 Sacred Treasures would be fucking dumb although Wolf using a Landmaster was pretty fucking dumb so who knows

>Dr. Mario
Spawns a giant bottle and traps those caught in it, drops pills on them but probably the same as Mario's and you know it
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>>259897263
Shulk? No Clue, never could get far enough into his game to know much about the character.Duck Hunt Dog? Snake's from Brawl, but with a lightgun instead.
Bowser Jr? Final Boss fright from Super Mario World, flying around freely and dropping fire and bowling balls
Dark Pit? ..I got nothing. Bit Uprising fan here, and I legitimately don't know what they'd do for him. Lightning Chariot maybe?
I want to believe the Doc would have Pills rain down from the sky, but I'm honestly expecting no more than just a reskin of Original Mario's...somehow
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>>259897570
Not him but alt costumes that were split from their "base" character.
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>Both Lucina and Shulk are clones of Marth

Why?
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>>259892939

>ice climbers
>top tier

They're average at best, they're only really good gimmick is chain grabs. Some high level players just really enjoy their playstyle.
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>>259897347
It would be more than just the announcer saying their name, they'd need specific sound effects for when they're battling as well. Just having the announcer say a different name correlated to a certain costume wouldn't be difficult at all.
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>all these butthurt fags in denial
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>>259897591
S'all good.

>please continue to enrage that other gentleman.
Evidently it's not taking much at all, besides, he's clearly had enough. I guess autism doesn't speak ALL the time.
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>>259897872
>Falco is actually a kirby clone, his A attacks are the same

WHY ????
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>>259897701
Smash 4 = Smash 3DS
Smash 5 = Smash Wii U
Sakurai said so himself
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>>259897882
Iceys are the second/third best character in Brawl.
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>>259898064

>brawl
>>
Look i dont give a fuck, i just want this game now to spread all the sauce
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>>259897814
Let's not kid ourselves

>Dark Pit
The Three BLACRED Treasures.

>Dr. Mario
DOCTOR Mario Finale. An electrical storm version of Mario's.
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enjoy my good friend shulk :^)
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>>259887429
Wolf's not a god damn clone.

>>259882464
>>259882958
It's alright my fellow Wolf niggas. We'll find someone equally cool.

Sakurai was just scared of him.
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>>259898005
>mfw it's tue
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>>259896921
>>259896285
NO IT WAS JUST A JOKE

PLEASE STOP
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>>259897872
shulk has link moves too. lucina started as an alt costume. Any other rhetorical questions you want answered?
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>>259898005
W-what the...
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>>259897814
>>Duck Hunt
>Shooting just like Snake's FS

What if Duck Hunt is a straight up Snake clone?
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>>259897872
I saw him use some kind of buff that made his feet glow blue in the video though. Later on he uses another one that makes his hands glow red. Looked like the buff works like a slot machine since I saw a bunch of kanji characters of different colors above his head until it settled on the blue one.
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>>259897701
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Mach Rider is the one I am still gunning for. If he gets in, I don't care what shitty clones made it: I have all the characters I could ever want in Smash Bros.

Considering Sakurai has expressed wanting to add him since Melee, having his music in the games, and says he is his favorite Nintendo character, I am not counting him out just yet.
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>>259897814
If we're getting Koopaling alts, an airship attack is most likely.
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>>259898468
>Grenade Ducks
>C4 ducks
>Controllable Missle ducks

I came
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>>259898005

mother of god

mother of god
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>>259898269
it's possible hes an alt for fox and you can customize moves similar to his, shame about his normals
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>>259897687
filtered
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>>259898512
The blue one looked like Monado Speed and the red one was probably Monado Enchant

Makes him faster and stronger respectively. Cool because a large part of his playstyle in Xenoblade centers around buffing your party
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>>259898468
>Mfw "What if X is just a clone" is going to be the new LE EPIC MEME XDD JOKES just like BABBY METAL MARIO XD SO FAHNY JOKE

Please stop.
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>>259898005
DEEPEST LORE
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>>259898703
What are you talking about, brah? I came up with that sentiment just now on my own. I had no idea it was already a thing.
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>>259898468
>>259898628
>duck's fly him like Snake's up-b
>since he's a dog, he buries a rotting, dead duck with his down b and it explodes because of its decomposing gasses when someone steps on it
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>>259897687
Whoops, how'd I let this faggot slip through the cracks?

Filtered with extreme prejudice :)
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Nintendo of America destroy all the evidence, what do you think they take it down?, Smash 6?, reggie porn videos? are you fucking retarded?
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>>259893938
He's literally the worst character in Smash.
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>>259898685
Didn't notice any running speed increase from him though. Does it increase attack speed or something?
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>>259898703
Where the fuck have you been? That had been a thing since Brawl.

Wolf's Landmaster final smash leak stirred up so much shit
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>>259898170
No lie, I would be down for zapping niggas like motherfucking Killua Zoldyck
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>>259898685

MONDO SPEED
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I had the theory that Metal Captian Falcon in this pic was really mach rider since the detail on his boots and helmet are different. Mach Rider looks a lot like that too.I could see them making it a half Falcon clone.
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>>259898936
Then it's not exactly new, is it?
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>>259898903
In Melee, not even close.
In Brawl, pretty low tier but far from the worst.
In Smash 4, Idunnolel
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>>259899048
Yeah, that's my point. It isn't new.
>>
So details I think need to be clarified:

1. All Star Mode is locked in the leaks, and that typically means that all of the characters aren't unlocked yet.

2. Nintendo would not release a game where one of the entire modes can't be unlocked until they release DLC for it.

3. According to the "GUYS THE LEAKER GOT CAUGHT" articles, the person that uploaded all of this stuff was someone that was suppose to be in transit to deliver these things to the ESRB.

4. Which means it was NOT the ESRB that leaked this stuff, it was some other person.

5. Which means this other person had access to the ESRB video copy, AND probably a copy of the actual game itself as well.

6. Now you may be wondering, "how does this change anything?"

7. Well, whats the first excuse you hear when you say "what's stopping all the characters from not fully being unlocked yet?" Most of the time, you would get answered with "Its the ESRB, they HAVE to have everything unlocked so they know every little detail before they give their rating!"

8. If we add all of this up together, this is the story we get:

Some guy is given this stuff to deliver to the ESRB.
At some point, he starts playing the game 100% blind. After all, he has no guides, he has nothing to go on for how to unlock characters.
He unlocks up to the point that he has unlocked, and takes screenshots of everything.
He hands over the video and game copy to the ESRB to review after having deleted his save file.
He takes the screenshots, and gives them to friends, to upload in a attempt to get away with not being caught.

Basically this makes a good amount of sense, and I am about 95% sure that the game still had characters to unlock, and one of them could easily be the Ice Climbers. Only muh patterns say that they have to be on the starting roster.
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>>259899043
We don't need another clone and a half like Fox got.
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>>259898915
Well in cutscenes it makes characters go Sanic speed but in-game it raises their evasion like mad

Maybe he has longer dodge periods or something?
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>>259898936
>>259898703
One of the reactions, seven years ago.

Time sure flies.
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>>259899043
If you zoom in, you see that the headpiece is gone, kneepads are different, and for some reason, Palutena is obscuring the face

get hype
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Is Nintendo really so naive as to send out copies without expecting a leak? And with a game as big as Smash? It baffles me, to the point where I'm hoping this was all some elaborate plan by them. But that's not even possible because so much was leaked. What the fuck, Nintendo.
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>>259898867
>"BLA BLA RIDLEY IS IN, I CAN'T HEAR YOU"
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>>259898170
>DOCTOR Mario Finale. An electrical storm version of Mario's.
>Not Luigi's final smash
I wish they'd give Luigi some lightning love like from the M&L rpgs.
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Why is there more organized information about the fucking morons doing the leaks instead of the leaks themselves?

I have to scan threads for embedded videos and images trying to find all this shit. /vg/ is absolutely a fucking shithole and has none of the information up in the OP. Do I have to sign up for some lame-ass forum to get this info, or are you any anons compiling this so it's easily accessible? Where are these screenshots I keep hearing about?
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>>259898892
>Nintendo of America destroy all the evidence, what do you think they take it down?, Smash 6?, reggie porn videos? are you fucking retarded?
ARE YOU?
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>>259899192
I did notice one point in the video where Lucina slashed him and it looked like the hit didn't even register.
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>>259899189
Of course we don't but would you be surprised? He kind of looks to be smirking too, unlike Falcon.
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>>259899320
It was an insider from Nintendo itself. Nothing should go wrong, seriously. Dude went too far.
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>>259897069
>And it'd probably be the Skyward Sword version too
That could be the reasoning of why they picked her in the first place. Needed a proper SS representative.
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>>259899327
>So mad he had to drop his trip
Look, I'm sure you've shitposted in countless roster threads. I can't tell you how many times I've had to point out all the obvious signs pointing to fishy business associated with Ridley that faggots like you actively ignore. This isn't my first rodeo, let's just skip to the part in which I forget about you and you feel good about lowering the quality of discussion. M'kay?
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>>259899406
Lucina was on the same team as him and friendly fire was probably off, anon.

captcha: fleger Monads

Honestly I can't fucking wait until Sakurai officially reveals him so we get some more insight on how the Monado works in Smash
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>>259899369
http://imgur.com/a/PzeCw#sDjoQb8

Your welcome bro.
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>>259887832

The only way a character gets "cut" in favor of clones is development time.

Someone else already said something about it, but Dedede was considered for Melee until they realized they could make 6 clones (of varying popularity) in the time it would've taken to make everything for Dedede.

If Ice Climbers were cut, the clones were put in as compensation because they didn't have enough time to implement them so they could work properly, not the other way around. It's shitty compensation, but still compensation.
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>>259899713
When are we even getting another newcomer reveal?
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>>259899454
>he
this guy hasn't ever played mach rider.
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>>259899157
This sounds plausible. There are two things that it doesn't explain though:
-Why there isn't more pictures or footage, such as the very beginning roster?
-Wouldn't Nintendo be able to just over-ride their game with some sort of developer or beug mode or something and just unlock the entire roster at once? This would save them the trouble of handing it off to some guy to play through the game.
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>>259880050
>Motherfuckerleaker makes a cypher with a cropped image claiming characters are in (but no pictures)
>Actual leakers say that it was a trap and they were waiting to see if he'd run to 4chan and post it before sharing more information. "He doesn't have the full picture. The cropped one was one we gave him to test him."
>Gets BTFO by the source of the images, undisputed proof that he was full of shit

>Yet people still defend him and the leak at the same time just because he said Ridley was in

This board I swear
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>>259881860

That's it. I hope Ridley isn't in this game. You autists have lost your mind
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>>259899935
Just the Ridleyfags
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>>259890680
>>259890934

I think the reason they looked terrible is because they weren't officially confirmed. Once they're officially shown to definitively be in, they'll look a lot better.
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With all this talk about characters, if they end up being really fun to play and the balancing ends up with them being WORTH playing against other characters, who fucking cares? Bowser Jr. wasn't at all a character I was hoping for, but when I saw the screenshot of him in the Clown Car, I knew Sakurai had come up with some goofy, fun way to make it work. And sure enough, the video shows him doing some cool fucking moves and some fun animations.

Now Bowser Jr. is one of the first three characters I want to play as when I get the game. And if the rumor of the Koopalings being the seven alts is true, holy fuck, then I'll really play the shit out of the character. It seems reasonable enough, given the same animations could be used for all the Koopalings, it would be a simple model swap, right? I'll hold on hope out that because it'd be fun to play as Lemmy in the Koopa Car using extended punching gloves on Shulk.
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>>259899454
If Mach Rider does get in, the only way I'd accept him is if his playstyle revolved around playing the character on and off the motorcycle, summoning it through a special move like Wario. Give him a new set of moves on the bike and he'd be awesome.

Oh, and give him the laser equivalent of a sawed-off shotgun, Mad Max style. Fires nasty spread shots with great knockback and near immediate activation, but has to be reloaded with every two shells.

Let's be honest: Mach Rider is a mix of Kamen Rider and Mad Max. It's best to embrace that.
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>>259899937
Whoa, shit just got real.
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>>259899860
Got me there. "YOU ARE MACH RIDER"!
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why does it look like the dog and the duck are friends i mean innt that niggas job like to pick up the ducks that get shot i mean damn
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>>259899830
I was gonna guess september 2-3, but the leak might change that if Nintendo decides to play damage control

I was expecting a Nintendo Direct with the last trailer, but who knows
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>>259899830
Hmm, who knows at this point? Probably sometime within the coming weeks, seeing as we don't have much longer to go till the Japanese release. At least one or two more.

I wouldn't be surprised if Sakurai announces another one out of the blue like with Robin/Lucina because of the leak.
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>>259899327
Anon, think of your blood-pressure. Just let it go already.
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>>259900201
That's what I say. Dog doesn't give a fuck about them.
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>>259900054
Id play the fuck out of that.
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>>259900054
I'd rather just have Kamen Rider, quite frankly. Mach Rider would be pretty cool, though.
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I was gonna buy both versions, but without Ice Climbers I guess I'm only forking over money for the Wii U. Fucking terrible decision.
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>>259900054
>but has to be reloaded with every two shells
I don't know why but I love it when fighting games do this. I always pick characters that have to reload after firing.
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>>259900028
i agree, Sakurai has a reason to put all these characters together, while the internet is crying just for the presence or face of a particular character
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>>259900201
I hope he swings those ducks around like motherfucking nunchucks. I'll fucking main him if those are his normals.
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>>259900053

As fucking cool as the Koopaling alts sound, the implementation bugs me. The Koopalings run from Bowser Jr. Sized to practically Bowser. Unless they take some super liberties with size (and it is Smash after all) I feel like the hit boxes would prevent it from being possible

That is, unless Bowser Jr. isn't part of the hotbox, just the clown car, in which case they could totally go hog wild and Roy will continue to be my boy.
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So how mad would you guys be if Shulk, Duck Hunt Dog, and Bowser Jr. are just Assist Trophies and if Dark Pit and Dr. Mario are just alternate costumes, and if Ridley is just a boss like he was is Subspace Emissary?
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>>259881447
He's a big guy
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>>259900201

All that matters is whether or not he has the taunt.

Because if he doesn't, he's totally worthless.
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