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Anyone else feel bad for Sakurai? This man puts so much into

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Anyone else feel bad for Sakurai?

This man puts so much into this game. He had significant health issues due to the stress of making the last game, and went in on his birthday this year to make this one happen. He loves for things to be surprises. He even removed the subspace thing from this one due to people uploading cutscenes and not having it be a surprise for people who bought the game to enjoy. He loves this series, and is a fan as much (if not easily more) as anyone on this forum. All he would ask from us is to not spoil his fun, and let the game be a surprise.

And then, the leaks happens.

So here we have Sakurai, who has worked so hard and asked so little, and some ass wipe comes in to have his 10 min of fame and ruin the one thing he asked not to do.
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>>259787089
>This man puts so much into this game.
You mean, he REMOVES so much from this game.
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>>259787089
I thought the same. The "fun" thing is, that the leaks happened just some weeks before the release so it must really rustle his jimmies.

How did he react when Brawl was leaked?
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>>259787209

Have you ever made a game?
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>>259787089

FUCK SAKURAI
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He makes tons of money making games, he doesn't need you to white knight him for his shitty decisions.
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Well, he got pretty mad when the SE cutscenes were posted on Youtube, just imagine how he is right now.
The game is pretty close to launch, but at least Duck Hunt was going to be the big final reveal.
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>>259787821
He was pretty dissapointed if I recall
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I have a feeling that not everything is lost. I suppose the leaker only got a portion of the game for feedback and it's not the final version. There are still some surprises, especially with the Wii U coming out later this year.
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>>259787821
http://www.nintendolife.com/news/2014/01/sakurai_reiterates_that_therell_be_no_subspace_emissary_style_story_in_super_smash_bros
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>>259787089
He favors his IPs too much IMO. Unless he's just reusing assets.
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>>259788380

Wii U version*
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>>259788343
>Well, he got pretty mad when the SE cutscenes were posted on Youtube, just imagine how he is right now.
Source?
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Well, maybe if he had made a exciting roster that would have caused a real shitstorm out of excitement and surprise instead of one of disappointment then people wouldn't be so willing to leak his piece of shit of game.
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>>259788586
Just read >>259788473, he wanted the players view them first hand.
And, once again, Duck Hunt would be revelad in a big cutscene, so Sakurai has lost again.
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>>259788473
I'm trying to think of what the next step up from that is or what the SSB4 equivalent is
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>>259787089
He removed subspace for the wrong reason then. If he acknowledged it was a shit mode then I would be more confident in the guy, but because of cinematic leaks? fucking really now?

Health problems shouldn't be an excuse everyone goes through shit it's fucking life deal with it, plus he's had way more time to work on these new games compared to melee so it should be a pretty comfortable working schedule by comparison.

And no I don't feel bad for him because he makes money doing what he loves.
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>>259787089
I hope the guy who posted these pictures in the internet die in a fucking fire.
I sincerely hope his soul is annihilated.

I didn't want that shit. I didn't.
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>>259787089
he's smart and a smart man knows these things are bound to happen, so even if he was slightly disappointed I don't think it will affect him that much
Plus, not that much people actually follow leaks, it's not like it will go on national TV or something
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Heard Snake was going to be DLC, is that true?
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>>259788852
I think it's fine since nobody actually knows what Duck Hunt's moveset is.
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fuck everyone who denied the leaks
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>too lazy to put any effort into Ganondorf

nah, fuck him
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>>259789317
the leak had such a shit roster I knew it had to be true. at least shulk got in though.
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>>259789281
I think not.
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So where and when was the leak confirmed?
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>Sakurai removed subspace from smash 4 because all the cool cutscenes were put on youtube
>sakurai doesnt add newcomers for smash 5 because someone leaked the newcomers for smash 4
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>take the same game from gamecube
>recolor some stages (because lets face it, the level design is the same) from different nintendo games
>add some unused nintendo characters
>give them 4 moves each and a special final attack

>there are retards who get hyped for this shit in 2014 still
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>>259787089
Fuck you and fuck him.
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If this is all true, I wont like Sakurai anymore. It's very clear he has his own agenda for these games instead of making Smash a celebration of Nintendo's history. Instead of having original characters like Ice Climbers, K. Rool and a proper Ganondorf, we get a nauseating amount of anime characters from games that are 2 years old. I'm praying these videos are fabricated somehow.
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>>259788473
Wait, so shitty subspace might be back just with no story? Can Sakurai really fuck up this hard?
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He really doesn't owe you faggots anything, the man put so much work into a game that it takes a toll on his health and you still complain. Sakurai makes the game how HE wants it, this is HIS artistic vision.
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>>259789092
He's going to be pissed and you know it.

And you're underestimating just how much and how fast a leak can spread.

If Sakurai removed SSE because that got leaked, just imagine what will happen after this.
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>>259789375
Actually he's not lazy enough, if he never put Ganondorf back in, people wouldn't complain about him being lazy.
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Nope, i hope it bombs so they can give smash bros to someone else
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>>259789317
not believing in a leak is usually justified
leaks are pretty much seen as true until proven false, so people go to a lot of measures to see if it can be proven false
people who deny leaks usually jsut dont beleive everything they hear over the internet
but if someone were to deny the leaks now after all the videos and shit, then they would be idiots
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>>259789661
This quote has never been more relevant until now:
>Have you ever made a game?
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>This man puts so much into this game.
And he still fucked up.
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>>259790053
>game bombs
>gets sequel
I'm sure that's how it works.
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>>259789954
most people just don't follow this shit, you think they do from inside the /v/ bubble but people had a hard enough time figuring out that the WiiU existed
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>>259789954
Why would he be pissed? And this is totally different to SSE. I'd imagine he'll reveal all the characters before he releases it to the ESRB for the next Smash.
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>>259790396
>what is skyward sword, star fox assault, f-zero, kirby, fire emblem

Nintendo doesnt care, they will release another even if it bombs
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>>259789954
>He will add in a scrapped/unfinished character at the last minute to BTFO of leak believers
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>>259789879
>the artist is always right because he has the courage to subject himself, so that overrides all criticism!
Fuck off defeatist pussy
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>>259790967
How's that Skyward Sword 2 and F-Zero sequel coming along?
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>>259790967
>skyward sword
>bomb
"I don't like it" doesn't mean something bombed
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>>259790053
Right, and the game will magically be the way you like it and not the way 99% of the other people likes it if Smash changes directors.
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>>259791295
Authors write the books they want, directors make the movies they want, developers make the game they want. No one is going to give a checklist detailing what you want to see.
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>>259789317
>no Bandanna Dee
I know he was about as likely as a Goomba making it into Smash, but its still sad to see him not make it.
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The leak really is real?

I was really excited to see the new announcement trailers too.
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>>259787089
>This asshole puts so much shit nobody wanted in this game.

Fix'd no need to thank me
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>>259787089
Good, he's a faggot.
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>>259792268
>I don't want it so nobody else wants it!
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>>259792142
I know that feel, kinda puts the hype down.
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>>259787089
I would feel bad if he didn't hate me for loving his game and wanting to be good at it.

Fuck him and his anti-competition attitude.
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>>259792750
Except you only want to be good at one of his games, let's be real here.
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>>259789576
Subspace sucked dick anyway.
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>>259789661
>Gamecube

This is an 18+ website
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>Shulk

Why
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>>259787089
> went in on his birthday this year to make this one happen.

The fuck is that supposed to mean? He went to work on his fucking birthday? WHAT A FUCKING MARTYR! LET HIS NAME BE ENGRAVED IN STONE!
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>>259787089
I dont feel bad for him at all. He removes characters that people love(Mewtwo, Snake, Wolf), makes games slower for casual players while casual players could play Melee casual also.
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>>259792994
>The gamecube is 13 years old
>If somebody started playing games when they were 5, and they are 18 now, they would have started with the gamecube
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>>259792973
Two, 64 is fun too.

It's not my fault he hated people who loved his game so much he specifically did everything he could to ruin their fun in the third game.
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>mfw Sakurai stops making Smash Bros. games because people will always continue to leak when he just wants to keep things a surprise
The franchise will die and it's will be our fault.
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>>259793508
>starting with gamecube
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>>259791338
>what is zelda u
>what is f-zero maximum velocity, gp legend, climax, gx

>>259791462
look it up. skyward sword sold pretty bad, considering twilight princess reached oot levels
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>>259793729
nah, new dev
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>>259793745
I started with the SNES, I'm saying there are probably a lot of people here who started gaming with the _____PS3
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>>259787089
I understand the sentiment, believe me, I do...

But isn't that a hazard of the job?
You just can't expect things like this to not happen.
But, he should feel honored that people care -this much- about the leaks.
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>>259792142
Fuck it, I'm hyped for the Duck Hunt reveal video.

There is practically no way they can fuck this one up.
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If he really cared about it not being spoiled for people then he wouldn't have released it in Japan a month before everywhere else.
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>>259787089
>This man puts so much into this game
Yeah, so much clones.
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>>259794048
wow I always thought he was kind of a smug cunt
won't be buying the game and sure as hell will tell my friends to do the same
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why does he look like a girl
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>>259793642
Well then he fucked up because he didn't remove the option to turn off items.
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If he didn't want leaks to happen then why was he so open to gameplay footage? Couldn't you just not let the players play it until the game is actually released?
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>>259794390
>G-guys you shouldn't get that game you guys are excited for it was developed by a guy who made a mean joke once
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>>259794059
The reveal leaked too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPiIotgDLts
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>>259794591
they are forced to give a video of the game to ESRB so they can rate the game
and honestly, the guy at ESRB probably lost his job for doing this
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>>259787089
Considering the terrible choices he made (cutting down on reps from small series to make room for more Mario characters) I'm not sure I feel he is competent enough to do another Smash Bros.
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>>259793642
How can he hate you when he doesn't realize you exist? He doesn't even follow competitive Smash outside of Japan. You were never the target audience for any of the Smash titles.
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a faggot leaking your video game early is the price you pay for immortality
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>>259794048
>>259794390
>>259794627
>not realizing its a clip from a dunkey video
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>>259794390
>implying you have friends that would listen to your shitty opinions
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>>259794804
>the guy at ESRB probably lost his job for doing this
more like he'll get sued, won't he ?
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>>259795106
Link to the video?
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...no Ridley after all?
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>Stop playing this game the way YOU want to play and play it the way I want you to play it!
yeah nah he deserves it
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>>259793135\

Because he's a new first-party Nintendo character from a fairly recent critically acclaimed IP on the Wii, which is also getting a sequel on the Wii U. So adding Shulk will help promote the next game.

USE YOUR FUCKING BRAIN DIPSHIT. FUCKING THINK!
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>>259795350
Okay I'm really fucking curious

How did anyone think Ridley would be in?
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I really, really agree with this thread. This man gets disappointed by the industry a lot, but keeps strutting through it and doing his thing. He's a lone wolf of game design, but he's no Phil Fish. I kind of want to send a giant apology letter to him, like the get well card /v/ did for Iwata a while ago.
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>>259795360
So Sakurai is using tourneyfag logic, makes sense.
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>forum
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>>259787089
>Makes the shittiest roster for Smash
>He deserves love
No
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>>259789954
These are already on 2ch, there has already been multiple threads about it.

Nintendo already knows about it too, Japan already knows, Sakurai knows.
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>>259787089
Maybe he shouldn't keep all the shitty character reveals for last, or just not include shitty characters like duck hunt, dr. mario, dark pit and bowser jr.
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>>259787846
seriously.
you remove features if they don't work properly or vibe with the rest of the game. don't see why everyone's complaining about that.
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>>259795286
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gbrWW08msFg&list=UUsvn_Po0SmunchJYOWpOxMg

around 4:10-4:30 i think is where it starts
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Lel, Samurai just wants to make games the way he wants but he never gets a break.

>"Smash Bros. led to similar misunderstandings when it first came out," Sakurai said. "Some people, including within the company, commented that they couldn't imagine a worse game. The project was really saved by the fact that people "got" how to play it after it was released. If we had just listened to the complaints and instituted health gauges or command-based special moves, I don't think we would have invented a new style of play that way.
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>>259795575
except tourneyfags don't force everyone to play the game the way the want to play it. Tourneyfaggotry was always an option, and only the most autistic of the bunch would have you believe otherwise.
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>>259796051
He becomes more bishie over time
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>>259796310
he just wants to be the little boy
he probably does roleplay with his wife
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>>259796051
He's only 43.
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>>259788829
you've never played it. 10/10 if bait.
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>>259789317
all that tryhard for and against the leak
doesn't it get boring?
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>>259795549
I thought it'd be really cool myself. I left the arguing about size to everybody else. I didn't think for sure he'd be in but I had some hope/hype for the idea.
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>>259796145
And Sakurai never "forced" you to play Brawl. You can play 64, you can play Melee, you can play Project M. God forbid he makes anything that deviates from the formula, like when he first made Smash Bros, amirite?
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>>259787089
he deserves it for ruining /v/ with those shitty pics of the day :^) that revealed nothing important
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I don't feel sorry for him considering he made Brawl terrible just to spite a specific group of people in his game's fanbase.

You don't let something that petty get in the way of a video game without being a worthless human being.

Fuck him.

Smash will always be JUST for "i play for fun XD" faggots and even though I hate tourneyfags, they get fucked over for no reason at all whatsoever.
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>all these buttmad manchildren complaining that they aren't going to buy the game because a character they wanted got cut
jesus christ, why dont you go all the way to soccer guys house so you can make him watch you pout and stomp your feet
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>ctrl + f forum
>only one other anon realized we are talking to an r/gaming immigrant
>no one cares because everyone in this thread is an r/gaming immigrant
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>>259793925
>starting with an snes
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>>259796953
>muh death of /v/
Oh fucking please.
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>final nail in nintendo's coughin
good, good, I hope nintendogafs follows soon
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>>259787089
>2014
>thinking a leak won't happen
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>>259796873
99% of people didn't think Brawl was terrible.
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>>259787089
I don't feel a lick of sympathy for this incompetent petty bitch. Fuck him.
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>>259787089
If that roster is real then fuck him, he deserves what he gets for thinking Dark Pit was a good idea.
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>>259797119
>coughin
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>>259797187
Leaks don't happen if you're conservative with the reveals of your game. Something Sakurai wasn't.
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>>259787089
Blame the HUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHUEHEUHEUHEUHEUHEUHEU
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>>259789317
>"The ESRB has never had a breach of secrecy in twenty years of rating every single game in North American retail"
So this is a first then? Asuming this is really true, the leaker guy's head will roll for sure if he's found.

This is a huge hit to ESRB's image in the eyes of publishers.
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I'm sad that they're not in the game.


Unless Sakurai is planning to sell them as DLC, I'm sad. Farewell.
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>>259796953
its the zoe quinn shit man
two days ago I saw someone who kept posting memeshit openly state that they came from reddit no one told them to fuck off
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>>259797119
>coughin
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>>259796873
>he made Brawl terrible just to spite a specific group of people in his game's fanbase
You wanna source this from an interview?
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>>259787089
>believing leaks of a heavily modded game, no matter the evidence
>being a roster fag
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>>259789317
As a conservative estimate, there have been roughly 40 billion leaks up until this point and people have been justified in calling bullshit every single time. It still may prove true for this one too.

I'm at the point where I don't care anymore. We'll know the full roster in a few weeks regardless.
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>>259797025
>Not starting with the SNES
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>>259787089
Are you trying to imply that making a game is stressful?
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>>259788976
yeah, i %100 agree. i never saw any cinematic leaks, wtf. the majority of people didn't. the only people that were spoiled were those that went and looked for it on youtube, they were asking for it. same goes for those who complain about the new leaks, you didn't have to click on the link, you didnt have to be on /v/ where you're obviously going to see leaked shit if it gets out.

i did think subspace was shit though. i'm glad he got rid of it, even for the wrong reasons. the manpower was probably allocated to more important areas of the game.
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>>259797523
What the fuck are you talking about? There were public bans to anyone saying "I'm from reddit"
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GUYS GUYS
LISTEN
GUYS
WHAT IF
LISTEN
WHAT IF SAKURAI
INTENTIONALLY POSTED A FAKE LEAK
AND THEN CONFIRMED IT
ONLY TO SURPRISE US WITH THE REAL FINAL REVEAL LATER
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>>259797857
Have
You
Ever
Made
A
Game
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>>259797706
the faggot is over exagerating
what actually happned was samurai made smash 64 a game which appealed to as many people as possible and didnt get too competitive
smash melee ended up being much more competitive than he wanted making a much more steep competitive curve
because of this he tried his best to seperate brawl from melee to be more like how he wanted 64 to be
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>>259797946
>inb4 user was banned for this post
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>>259787089
>Anyone else feel bad for Sakurai?

No.

After Brawl and this mess I honestly hope he has no involvement with Smash 5.
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>>259797523
I'm gonna be real with you. I don't go to reddit. I'd have no idea if someone is reposting shit from there to here.
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>makes the same game every 4-5 years
>muh health

Good thing he's not a real dev or he might end up killing himself.
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>>259798028
Yes, It's not stressful, it's just time consuming
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>>259797998
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>>259787089
He needs a haircut
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>He even removed the subspace thing from this one due to people uploading cutscenes and not having it be a surprise for people who bought the game to enjoy.

Yes, because replacing it with nothing to enjoy is such an improvement.

Sakurai is autistic as fuck.
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>>259797946
no there werent, the bans were to people saying shit like "reddit is better than 4chan" and shit
there have been plenty of people announcing they came from reddit, and I bet even more people who came but didnt announce it
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I took the pictures.
I sent them to my friends.
I didn't want them to leak.
I just wanted to share the hype with them.
Now I'm FUCKED because some asshole put them all over the internet.
Fuck.
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>>259797025
>starting with a brick
get a load of this newfag
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I, for one, thank the leaker.

Now I know to stay far away from this game, I just cancelled my preorder and I hope you all follow my lead.
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What about the videos?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0E2TiTPBR0&feature=youtu.be
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>>259798131
Well, let me rephrase that. Are you a figurehead for a studio that will get criticism no matter what he does with the game? And a boatload at that.
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I'm sick of smash. It's stale and can die any time. Fuck, I wish it would somehow end up being cancelled this time. Just imagine the spectacular rage and tears. That would be glorious.
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>>259787846
so people who makes game
can only criticism?
plz go back to tumblr SJW faggot
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>Do you feel bad for an aspie who stresses over nothing important

Meanwhile, in a veterans nursing home...
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>>259798336
probably fake but if you honestly thought that was a good idea then its your own fucking fault and the fact that you will get sued is 100% your bad
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>>259792984
I liked Subspace, fuck leakers. They're just as selfish as people who steal games via piracy.

Has the leaker been fired yet from his job?
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>>259798469
He could simply ignore it and do what he needs to do to make the game good
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>>259798131
>being this fucking retarded
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>>259798617
>for you
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>>259797998
This seems crazy enough to be possible
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>>259798587
I thought I could trust them.
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>>259798445
>preordering

>>259798480
>I don't like you! You're an SJW!
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>>259787089
Sakurai didn't put in my favorite characters so he should be crucified.
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>>259798469
Little bitch shouldn't be a creator if he doesn't want to deal with his audience rightfully telling him when he fucks up.
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>>259798508
>you cant feel bad for guy A because guy B has it worse
people like you are the fucking worse
by your own logic we shouldn't feel bad for war vets because someone, somewhere is most likely getting murdered right now
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>>259798508
>aspie who stresses over nothing important
Nigga he's japanese, all dem tojos stress over stupid shit
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>>259798131
>I made a pong clone! lookit me guise xD
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>>259789576
we didnt listen!
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>>259798473
This.

He removed SSE because videos were posted on youtube. I legitimately hope he cancels this game as a result of this leak. It would be hilarious and, lets face it, much more entertaining than the actual game.
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>>259798798
"Three people can keep a secret if two of them are dead."

You're a fucking retard.
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>>259798051
Sakurai has always made the Smash games based on the target demography of the console the game was released on. The Gamecube was aimed towards more advanced gamers, so Melee is more technical. The Wii was aimed towards people who are new to video games, and Brawl reflects that. The Wii U is aimed towards both groups so Smash 4 should be somewhere in between Melee and Brawl.
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>>259798617
your name, your legacy, and livelihood on the line for millions of people's scrutiny. Yeah, just ignore it....
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>>259798798
its still your own fucking fault
if you really wanted to leak to your buddies you should have just fucking told them what was going to be in
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>>259798336
Good, hope your stupid ass gets fired for lying on the internet.
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>>259799140
The reason you get to a position like that is by having people trust your decisions, when you double back on yourself you get things like kojima having to change the ending to MGS 4 from what would have been perfection
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>>259798885
Well I'm sorry he didn't cater to your tastes.
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>was going to avoid 4chan for a couple of weeks when the nip version releases
>get spoiled anyway a month before
fuck you all
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>>259799275
Nigga I was already fired. I told my boss as soon as it started leaking.
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>>259799354
>trying to avoid leaks
>using the internet

It's your own damn fault.
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Dude is rich as fuck, can't feel too bad for him
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>>259799053
>Sakurai must be sooo upset that people leaked part of the roster!
>Haha take that Sakurai! That's for not putting my favorite literally who character in the game!
LEL keep crying bitch nigga
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>>259799354
it's less than 3 weeks now
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>>259797998
SAKULAI
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>>259799486
Nigga I was never interested in Smash 4 anyways. It's literally Brawl but with a worse roster.

It's like Melee had a bad roster full of clones but was a great game. Smash 4 has the bad roster full of clones but keeps the bad gameplay from Brawl.
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>>259799354
this, I can't get myself to want to buy the game anymore... fuck you /v/ fuck you
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>>259787089
>He even removed the subspace thing from this one due to people uploading cutscenes
Don't buy that crock of shit. He removed Subspace because it fucking sucked and ate up huge amounts of development time.
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>>259799702
>Nigga I was never interested in Smash 4 anyways
Why are you in this thread then? Shouldn't you be playing Melee?
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>Trying to crap out a Smash game in 2 years
Should have seen this coming.
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Is there anyone in this thread who actually won't buy the game because of the leak?
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>>259799749
>blaming /v/
Bitch nigga get off the fuckin Internet if you don't want spoilers
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>>259787089
>He gets to do what he ultimately loves and gets paid a lot
No I don't, because I'm not living the dream like he is
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>>259799987
I wasn't aware /v/ turned in to a hugbox. Make this discussion on /vg/ if you want a circlejerk about how you all hate the leakers for confirming the game as shit and how you feel bad for Sakurai.
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Sakurai is an insane, autistic, cruel and spiteful bastard, on top of that he can't stop sucking his own dick.

All these clones, ganondorf still the same, dark fucking pit are bullshit, brawl was bullshit too. Samurai is a nigger.

>>259800009

I'm not buying this shitty game.
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>>259799997

Melee was made in a year. The only thing holding back smash is sakurai's mindset
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>>259787992
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>>259800009
if there aren't anymore unlockable character than I'm not buying it.
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>>259799702
>worse roster
>implying it's not a million times better
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>>259800009

Depends on what the rest of the characters are, as it stands right now, no i'm not buying it. Also my mains got cut.
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>>259800009
Me. I had doubts about the game before but this roster is absolutely awful. Too much emphasis on Kid Icarus characters and way too many clones. This combined with the gameplay just being rehashed from brawl
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Honestly the only character i'm actually upset with is Dr. Mario

I mean like, WHY? its just fucking mario
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>>259800226
I only feel bad for Sakurai for making Melee.
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>>259800009

>7 clones
>brawl 2.0

Even Megaman, Mac and Pacman can't salvage this.
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>>259800009
I wasn't going to get it in the first place. I really didn't like Brawl.
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>>259798480
Are you just pretending to be retarded?
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>>259800669
List clones please.
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>/v/ will stop giving a shit within a week of this until the game is released

Might as well laugh now while the shots hitting the fan hardest
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>>259800226
Don't say you don't care when you obviously do, and don't pretend you think the game's going to flop because you don't like it. Unless you're baiting, in which case good job.
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>>259800464
who was/is your main?
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>>259800898

Lucina, Dr Mario, Dark Pit, Ganondorf, Falco, Shulk, Toon Link.
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>>259800236
And Melee's roster sucked.

Each new unlock was like a blow to the balls.

>Dr Mario? What?
>Whoa, Falco! Oh, all his moves look just like Fox's
>Marth?
>Roy? Hey, he just does the same shit Marth does!
>OH MY GOD GANONDORF! Wait a minute. There's something familiar here...
>Pichu? I can't. No more.

Zelda, Peach, Bowser, Game and Watch, and Mewtwo were all great additions. Marth too, but it's not like we knew that. But clones, despite taking less time to implement are made of pure anti-hype. I would have taken Dedede over all five of them any day.
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>>259800479
>Too much emphasis on Kid Icarus characters
>3 characters
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>>259800898
Lucina, Dr.Mario, Dark Pit, Falco, Shulk, Ganondorf and Toon Link.
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>>259797187
Tho it's not usually the ratings board that leaks things because industry people can keep secrets. Mr ESRB0083 is more fired than a house on fire for not securing his 3DS.
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>>259801007

Snake and Wolf.
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>>259800236
The only thing holding back smash is your desire to play the same game but with new characters.
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>>259787089
Yeah, I felt pretty shitty once the leaks dropped, he almost made it to launch too. I hope he isn't too bummed out, Sakurai seems like the nicest guy.
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>>259801157
But we don't know if dark pit is an actual clone yet. i mean yeah in the story he is, but he could use a completely different set of weapons/moves than pit
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>>259801164

I prefer the clones over D3 because at least all of them played differently (except doc). Besides, melee was only missing like 3 major characters at the time.
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>>259800946
I don't care, and it'll probably be reasonably successful. Most will drop the game after about a week though.

>>259801164
Smash 4 has a similar clone filled roster without the good gameplay.

And that's why it's a bad game,
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>>259801234
And two stages, like a dozen fucking items, and practically the entire rogue's gallery as Smash Run enemies.
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>>259787089
He does work hard, yes, and I will buy the game for Wii U anyway.

But the rooster still makes me feel bid sad. I mean he added ROB and Duck Hunt Dog to it aswell as Pacman. He gaved them unique movesets so everything is possible.
Yet he adds clones.
I just hope they feel different.
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>>259801350

And the fact that Brawl was casualized and Smash4 looks like more of the same.
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>>259801164
I actually liked Pichu.
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>>259787089
No one gives a fuck, because the average person is an ungrateful little shit.
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>>259801350

Or play a game that isn't slow as shit and doesn't punish you for attacking
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>>259787089
Ayy retard, are you saying it's a bad thing that people are excited about his game?
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>>259788343
holy shit that is low quality compared to the select screen, that has to be fake
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>>259801428

The leak says he is a clone and he is bundled together with the other clones.
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no, fuck this hack

how was this roster planned from the beginning of the development?
it feels like they literally scrapped together some bottom of the barrel C list characters at the last minute

aside from the third parties and little mac, this roster is just awful
mario got 3 new characters, not even important ones, kid icarus got two more, wii got 4 original movesets, and yet star fox, metroid, and dk, are left with 2

not to mention ice climbers are cut

what the fuck was he thinking? it's just baffling
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>>259801234
Two characters too many, too many stages and way too many items from Uprising.

>>259801428
He shouldn't be in the game either way.
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>>259801565
Are they bad stages and items?
I honestly have not kept up with that part of the game, only the roster reveals and now the leak.
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>>259801338
well, that really sucks, I iked them too
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>>259801775
>He shouldn't be in the game either way.
Explain your reasoning
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>>259800009
I really wasn't planning on buying it, but the leak didn't help
>ganondorf still a clone
>wario is still not wario
>fucking dark pit

I might wait to buy this or maybe even not at all.
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>>259801157
>Dark Pit
Firstly, WRONG. He's not a fucking clone. He'll have totally different moves.

>Dr Mario
He is not going to have a cape, the water bullshit or anything else a DOCTOR should not have. Stop being retarded.

>Ganondorf
You have me there. I'm very surprised they made such a bad decision with him.

>Falco
I don't even recall anyone saying this faggot was in, but he was ALWAYS a clone, so he doesn't fucking even count. He's not NEW, it's not like they decided for this game to make a clone and that was falco, they just didn't change him. Seriously?

>Lucina
Only if you think Roy was a clone (he wasn't) and she isn't.

>Shulk
How the hell is he a clone? His moves don't look like anyone else's that I know of.

>Toon Link
Again, he was fucking always a 'clone' and even then, he's actually NOT a clone. His physics are different and his attacks have different effects too. You know his aerial down A? Notice how he doesn't immediately plummet to the ground like Li- Oh who am I kidding, you're too stupid to notice things.
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>>259802036
>wario is not wario
We don't need that stupid fag in the game and he's completely different from the other marios so what the hell are you actually complaining about?

>fucking dark pit
Yeah, fuck characters with original movesets
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>>259801879
A character created only a few years ago that only appeared in one game that wasn't even that successful does not deserve to be in this game when there are more long running and more beloved franchises that could use a new rep like Donkey Kong, Zelda and Metroid
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>>259802243
go play wario land, then play brawls wario

100% different skills
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>>259797465
yeah its the very reason they don't get the games becuase if they break street date they can be held accountable for the games sale meaning publisher can sue them to death
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>>259802047

>clones don't count if they've been in multiple games
>even though falco and ganondorf have some different moves they are clones
>but this doesn't apply to dark pit, toon link and dr mario
>i'm going to assume that dark pit isn't a clone even though the leak says he is a clone and he is bundled together with the other clones
>Lucina isn't a clone even though Sakurai himself said that she was exactly the same as marth but without the tipper damage
>Shulk isn't a clone even though he shares multiple moves with marth including smashes and his up and down specials

You are so incredibly retarded i don't know how you can even function.
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>>259801764
>what the fuck was he thinking? it's just baffling
Is it really?
>have a bunch of characters in mind
>get an idea for a moveset for a character
>add him in
Not
>does X franchises need to reps
>add him in
>think up a moveset for the character
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>>259802047
>Firstly, WRONG. He's not a fucking clone. He'll have totally different moves.
>He is not going to have a cape, the water bullshit or anything else a DOCTOR should not have. Stop being retarded.

why are these good things?? they wasted dev time on completely boring and useless characters that nobody wants, when there's already character customization in the game

if you're going to waste dev time on cloneish characters, give us ones we already like, like lucas and wolf

it just feels like a gigantic 'fuck you' to the fans to fill up the roster with this crap, and take away things that you know they want
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>>259802047

>Firstly, WRONG. He's not a fucking clone. He'll have totally different moves.

That delusion, he is a confirmed clone.
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>>259802047
>Lucina
>Only if you think Roy was a clone (he wasn't) and she isn't.
Dude, right from Sakurai's mouth we have proof that she's a clone. She's not Roy at all, she's Marth with no Tipper. She's a clone, deal with it. She wasn't even intended as a character at first she was a costume, the only reason her Tipper is remove is literally so she can have at least one difference compared to Marth.

>Shulk
>How the hell is he a clone? His moves don't look like anyone else's that I know of.
He's a second clone of Marth.
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>>259801164
A bad roster does not make the game bad. Yeah Melee's roster sucked. It's still the best Smash game.
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>>259802528
>have a bunch of characters in mind
>get an idea for a moveset for a character
>add him in

yeah i'm sure this was the case with lucina, dr mario, and dark pit
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>>259801785
Items are throw away generic weapons and the Wii U stage is even bigger than fucking New Pork. Joint highest enemies in smash run (with Mario, both at 16) and Palutena has four movesets worth of special moves. Pit go a moveset revamp, meanwhile Ganondorf. Several assist trophies as well but whatever.

Meanwhile fucking Donkey Kong.
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>>259802456
Not a god damn move that Shulk used in that leak was Marth's.

>Even though falco and ganon have some different moves, they are clones

Do you realize you just made the argument for how they are NOT clones? Which... they're not? I mean, I was giving you those two out of kindness, but you just defeated yourself, it's priceless.
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>>259802047

My god you are fucking retarded.

First of all, Dark Pit is a clone the leak fucking says so.

Secondly, you are assuming that Dr Mario isn't going to have those things, and even if he doesn't have those things it's still fucking retarded that time was wasted on him to begin with.

Third, you can't say that Ganondorf and Falco are clones and then pretend that toon link, dr mario and lucina aren't.

fourth, we have seen that shulk shares multiple moves with Marth, yes he has some unique moves but by your bullshit logic he is as much of a clone as Falco and ganondorf.
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>>259802760
I have no idea how Sakurai saw the reception to New Pork City and made something like Palutena's Temple. I sincerely believe he has no fucking idea what he's doing.
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>>259802047

Wrong, he is a confirmed clone

You're assuming here, but he is bundled with the other clones.

Just because Ganondorf and Falco have been clones since melee doesn't make things better, it makes them worse.

Sakurai himself said Lucina is a clone.

He is another clone of marth.

Shut the fuck up.
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>>259802709

Melee had a pretty good roster for the time. The only notable people missing were diddy, wario, and king dedede.
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>>259795134
I mean, he could have just posted anonymously. How would anyone know who it was?
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>>259802716
I'm sure I never said there weren't exceptions to the rule. In Lucina's case she started as an alt for Marth, I'm sure Dr Mario is the same.
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>>259802820
are you kidding me by saying that falco and ganondorf aren't clones because they have minute differences to their originators?
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>>259802820
Not him but
- Shulk isn't a clone.
- Ganon is a clone.
- Falco was a 100% clone, not anymore. 70% similar though.
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>>259802532
I don't know anyone that likes wolf, but anyway, It would've been better if they were skins, but they still need voices and taunts of their own, not to mention an announcer thing for their names, so why not be a slot? It's not really costing us any other characters.

>>259802592
Uuuh, that's really the only different that matters with Roy too. So... What the fuck?

>second clone of marth
I don't see what the hell you're talking about.
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>>259802820

Shulk has Marth's up b and down b moves and maybe even his neutral b.

I didn't defeat myself either you fucking retard, i'm saying your backwards bullshit logic for deciding what a clone is and isn't is retarded.

>I was giving you those two out of kindness

More like you are fucking retarded and you can't even form a coherent argument.
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>>259801764
oh shit mario characters in a nintendo game
fuck, holy shit, i can't believe it
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>>259802820
>>259802047

You are fuckign retarded and you are just reaching to grasp at straws to defend this shitty roster for some fucking reason.
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>>259787089

Nope.

He should stop having Meleephobia and get some goddamn taste and not add in DARK FUCKING PIT as a playable character.
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>>259803092

If are both on the same level of luigi. Falco and gannon are the polar opposite playstyle-wise of their clone in brawl
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>>259788343
>but at least Duck Hunt was going to be the big final reveal.
Except Duck Hunt is unlocked and it's not the final roster.
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>>259803092
Well, that is the definition of a clone, so... Yes?
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>>259803203

>Uuuh, that's really the only different that matters with Roy too. So... What the fuck?

Do you even play Smash?
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>>259794390

>Implying you can stop people from purchasing Smash Bros.

Literally no one ever was convince not to buy this game.
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>>259791294

>last minute

except the game has already been confirmed for gold at this point.
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>>259803576

wii u version has a legit shot at being the worst selling smash since 64
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>>259803684
Source?
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>>259803203
>Uuuh, that's really the only different that matters with Roy too. So... What the fuck?

Roy had some more subtle differences Lucina did not have. Lucina is literally Marth but with no tipper.

I don't know why people are trying to convince themselves she has more differences when we literally have Sakurai saying she doesn't have any differences aside from having no Tipper.
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>>259803576
Brawl will be my last Smash game until Sakurai stops working on them.
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I know of no leak.

All I know is Sakurai has worked hard to entertain.
Sakurai-san's a cool guy.
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>>259803219
No. My argument for the other three is sound, regardless of what you think and as you said, since falco and ganon also have differences, they are just as much not clones, you proved, given that my argument for the other three is unrefuted and objectively true, that ganon an falco are also not clones.

>>259803395
Maybe because this roster is the best yet and has about ten new characters that are all hype-worthy?
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>>259787089
SAKURAI MADE CAPTAIN GANON AGAIN

HE DESERVES EVERY BAD THING THAT HAPPENS AND I HOPE HIS ARTHRITIS KEEPS HIM FROM EVER TOUCHING SMASH AGAIN
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>>259803693

>More worse selling than 64

Impossible.
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>>259803887
>ten new characters that are all hype-worthy?

Megaman and Little Mac are the only two good characters. Literally no one wanted any of the other ones added.
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>>259803962
But captain Ganondorf was the best.
Closer to melee the better.
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>>259803558
>>259803830
Are you saying that Roy isn't a clone because of the tipper AND fire on his neutral B? Are you arguing that one more tiny difference is enough to make him not a clone, but Lucina is? Because if so, I have to say, you have autism. Please go see a doctor and get diagnosed.
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>>259804042
It's coming out on 3DS first, the Wii U is not selling and for all intents and purposes it's a bad game. I can see it selling really poorly.
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All things aside, the worst part about this leak is the confirming of Falcondorf.

Are you fucking kidding me, Sakurai? You couldn't make him not a clone over THREE FUCKING GAMES?
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>>259804201

Everyone who has a Wii U will buy Smash Bros.

Even if they own the 3DS version already.

This is how Nintendofriends work.
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>>259804219
he was too busy adding KI and FE characters
maybe next smash
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>>259804045
>literally
Well, that's not true, I exist. Palutena, Lucina and Robin are all characters I want and I'm even excited for Rosalina, Paccy, Greninja and the Wii Fit Trainer. I like all of those. That's not even considering my happiness at Sonic returning.
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>>259804158

He was still a clone, but he had differences in his physics at the very least.
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>>259804443

Next Smash, he'll add Thanatos and eggplant wizard as KI reps

and then he'll remove Robin.
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>>259804591
I don't remember physics differences, but the point is, she's basically Roy. Okay, maybe there's a few small differences, but she's replacing Roy. And most people agree that Roy is not a clone.
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>>259804406
>Everyone who has a Wii U will buy Smash Bros.
>
>Even if they own the 3DS version already.

>implying I'm going to buy Sakura's Masturbation Simulator 2014: Featuring Pit, Paluetana and Dark Pit from the Kid Icarus series
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>>259804219
He doesn't care about anything that isn't his series or ones he enjoys. This is how we end up with shit like Palutena, Dark Pit and Lucina.
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>>259804406
I have a Wii U and I'm not going to get Smash 4.
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>>259804406
>Everyone who has a Wii U will buy Smash Bros.

Does it really count if it's only because they have nothing else to play?
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Fuck it, I'll say it.

Honest fucking question, as someone who's played every Smash Bros since the first, how in the fuck are you people excited about the game after the leak? It's... shit. Total shit. It's the exact same fucking game. You say he's worked hard, but he's done nothing at all new. What is wrong with you people? What's here to be excited about?
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>>259803962
Melee Ganon is the best. I would lose my shit if Sakurai made him another Marth clone sword user.
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>>259804854

Yes you will.
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>>259804751
Nigger, Roy has some really stark differences to Marth and also happens to be worse in every regard. He's a clone of Marth but is worse at everything.

Lucina is a clone of Marth in EVERY WAY. She plays EXACTLY like Marth without the tipper.

>>259804952
I assure you I will not. I don't want to get burned again like with Brawl. If the actual gameplay turns out to be good I will get it, but this is after release.
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>>259804768
>>259804753
Have you ever made a game?
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>>259804930
Most of the people still buying it reek of fanboy. That's probably your explanation right there.
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>>259804930
>nothing at all new
g8 b8 m8 i r8 8/8
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>>259804930

Nobody plays for the newness.

They play because it's the most recent iteration of a game they played a long time ago.
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>>259805121
I love the "Have you ever made a game" meme.
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>>259805121
>mother
>on-going series
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>>259805257
Have you ever made a meme?
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He deserves it for the shit roster he made.
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Well at least Ness isn't cut. You know Sakurai probably would've done it to make room for another fucking KI character.
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>>259804751

Slower run speed, faster falling speed, shorter jump, he's basically a more ground oriented, aggressive Marth although a lot of his moveset flaws counteract that. Lucina is pretty much the same as Marth from what we've seen so far, just without the same reward.
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>>259805174
Saying it's bait doesn't disprove me. What's new? A few new characters? It's a fucking carbon copy of Melee with a facelift. I give Call of Duty shit for being a rehash, but at least you can actually see some changes within a 10 year period.
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>>259787089
Fuck off Sakurai.
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>>259804930
I like every single newcomer aside from charizard, who isn't a newcomer, actually. My main has returned as well, which I didn't expect. Sonic, that is. So fuck you. This game has a much better roster than the other games. What got cut that was worth anything? ROB? G&W?(if he's even cut) Ice Climbers? The worst. Lucas? Wolf? No big deal. Wolf was trash. The ONLY character that has been cut that anyone will really miss is Snake.
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>>259804930

up until brawl, smash had really fun gameplay. The nintendo characters fighting thing wore off by the time brawl hit, but the hectic battle royal didn't. Melee pokeball battles are among my favorite gaming experiences
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>>259805478
frankly, I'm surprised he didn't just make this a KI game
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>>259789559
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCsKwxhG3ioc6FDKupmlVHZQ/videos
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No because all of this is fake.

Unless Samurai/Nintendo themselves officially announce it, its not official.
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>>259805598
It's more like Brawl than anything else. It's the least original Smash game.
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>>259805709
I know right
>Little mac got a shitty motion tween turdfest for his announcement
>Pauletena AKA samurais waifu got a full length 2D animation
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>>259805121
>donkey kong
No donkey Kong since 64 has been good. It's uch worse that he's in it than Kid Icarus. Ness is not popular in the states either. But he's okay, I guess. Anyway, doing things to sell games is nothing new. It's the sole reason for Lucina being in the game, Toon Link too. Not to mention Yoshi and Villager.
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>>259805609
This is exactly what I'm saying, it's just different characters, that's it. Absolutely nothing of substance. If Smash Bros came out on PC, and was moddable, the series would die just like that, because every game is fucking identical with different fucking characters.
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>>259797520
>not Falco instead of Wolf
Life is truly suffering man. Falco is a huge faggot.
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>>259805997
>jungle beat wasn't good
>DKCR and TF weren't good
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>>259805997
Tropical Freeze is a far better game than 64.
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>>259805857
Have you seen the leaked videos?
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>>259806163
Expand Dong was never good in the first place. Bland as fuck 2D platformer.
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>>259806068
>Robin, Palutena, Mii Fighters, Rosalina, Little Mac and Mega man
>all original characters with their own unique movesets
>Robin being in even marks the edition of a fucking MAGE (don't cite zelda, she sucks)
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>>259787089
Fuck off
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OP here

Why the fuck did someone from Reddit post my thread into Reddit?
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>>259806294
DKC was average, DKC2 was great, DKC3 was still average
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>>259805857
This is not gamefaqs. Please don't post like you're in it.
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>>259806294
>implying that means jack shit when Kirby, FE, KI and Mother are boring as fuck
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>>259803962
>implying Ganondorf isn't the shit
Let me guess, you wanted Sword Ganon?
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>>259806163
>>259806220
Yeah I love how they copy the fucking stupid style of banjo kazooie instead of maintaining the series' roots and I love even ore than that how those games are FUCK-easy because you have to take literally twice as many hits to die. I love them not using K. Rool any more, which would be like not using Bowser in new mario games and the icing on the cake is definitely the bad game design that forces you to stop every few seconds and break all fluidity and progress of the stage to pull up on a lever or some other inane and unnecessary bullshit that ONLY draws shit out and adds no depth at all.

Do not tell me that those are good games. I have more than a few reason for why they are utter trash.
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>>259805709
Trust me, in the next Smash, Phosphora, Medusa, Magnus, the 12 year old in the back of the Reset Bomb Forest stage, and the Captain N version of Pit will all be playable characters with 30 minute long intro videos.
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>>259806746
Not him but, no, magic ganon.
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>>259806746
My nigga. There's enough sword users in Smash already.
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>>259806746
Ganon would be okay if he had that orb thing he does in every single game
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>>259801705
It is from a video
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>>259787089
Smash Bros is a fighting game. As far as I'm concerned, you can't spoil a fighting game because it's not something that spoilable.

It's like trying to spoil minecraft. How the fuck do you spoil minecraft?
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>>259807220
>fighting game
No, it's a party game, you dumb dumb.
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>>259787089
Why would you feel sorry for him? He's getting paid a fuckload to make this game, it's not like he's doing it for free.

Fucking moralfags lately
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>>259787089

None of the leaks are real. There hasn't been a single one that isn't easily swept aside and disproved.
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How fired is that ESRB guy gonna be?
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>>259807220
You spoil it by doing what Sakurai did with Brawl: Make the game punish you for being good.

>>259807521
Party game isn't a genre.
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>>259806310
>the edition of

So you just admit I'm right in saying it's just new characters? You're not even going to hide it?
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>>259806537
how'd you tell tho

wait

you dont visit gamefaqs do you?

:^))))
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>>259807220
did you say you can't spoil hidden characters in smash bros

did you call smash bros a fighting game

did you just compare smash bros to minecraft

like

is this post b8
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>>259807724
Yeah, when I was 12.
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>>259807679
Then what is Mario Party?
>>259807681
>you wanted more than that
Tripping is gone, they fixed the physics, everything is faster, god what LEVEL of baby-face are you? 999?
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>>259807759
my nigga. It's bait.
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>>259787089
I'm not going to be any less hype/surprised when the stuff is officially revealed. Hell, the Haggar leak for MvC3 didn't stop me from feeling like king of the world when he was officially revealed.
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>>259808060

mario party is a board game with minigames.

Party is a genre, but it's minigame collections and the like.
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>>259808060
Mario Party is a board game videogame with minigames.

It is not similar in any way to Smash Bros.
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>BTFO Miyamoto and made Kirby pink instead of yellow because he can
>created a subgenre of fighting games despite opposition from his company
>picks up a dead franchise from 21 years ago and remakes it into a completely different genre and it sells
>his "worst" game is the best selling fighting game of all time

>lol 3 of his newcomers got leaked I bet he's crying right now
>completely forgetting Gematsu already leaked every single previous newcomer minus Lucina
Please.
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>>259798508
>Seriously believing that if Sakurai massively screwed up, he wouldn't end up like Gunpei
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>>259808514
>>259808441
>totally not a samefag

Yes, it is. It is a game designed for multiplayer of some kind, mainly local (I.E, PARTYING, HERP A FUCKING DERP) that is basically for casuals who just need something fun to do that the whole family can take part in and play without extensive knowledge of the game.

You know, what Smash Bros is.
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>>259809642

call of duty?
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>>259800669

Can someone tell me why clones are bad, but alts are good?
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>>259809642
>15:04:01
>15:04:33

Jesus fuck, how new are you to 4chan?
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>>259809642
32 seconds apart, so no, we're not samefagging.

Again. If you're saying that "party game" is something like Mario Party then Smash Bros is not a party game, by your own definition. If what you're saying is that all multiplayer games that can be played locally are party games then you're a fucking retard.
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>>259809921
Clones take up valuable roster space and waste characters that could've had cool original movesets. Alts do no such thing.
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>>259809798
>the whole family can take part in
As in, not blowing people's faces off. Call of Duty is also incredibly elitest and requires [extensive knowledge of the game]. Have you ever tried explaining to your mom what you did to make a plane come out and start gunning everyone down? Or... why a nuke just went off and killed everyone? How about the difference between all these automatic rifles?
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>>259787209
Tourneyfag stay BTFO

nothing is stopping you from playing Melee so just keep playing it ant stfu
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>>259809921
Alts are just costumes, clones actually need to be made.
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>>259809983
You didn't read anything I said. Okay. No, they're both 'party' games because they're both games for casuals designed for multiplayer with a group of friends, that you can easily get into, with fun characters lots of people know. God, please go already.

Do you not understand the reasoning for why this is the kind of game people would play at a PARTY, but Call of Duty isn't? I mean, if you don't get it, you're ACTUALLY retarded.
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>>259810153

>requires [extensive knowledge of the game]

I needed that laugh. It's harder teaching someone how to recover in smash than it is to teach how to play cod
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>>259810192
You heard it here, costumes don't need to be made.
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>3 (three) years of development
>Not enough time to put in heavily demanded characters like Ridley or returning characters like Snake or IC
>Enough time to put in Dr Mario, Dark Pit, 4 (four) FE reps, and ROB
>Enough time to put in a bunch of trophies that nobody gives a shit about after looking at them once
>Enough time to put in game modes that everybody will only play for the first 3 months and then they will just play versus battles with their friends
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>>259810631
Oh please, you don't understand what I'm saying?
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>>259810192
If all the clones were just alts, there'd be fewer characters; they didn't take anyone's "slot"

>>259810015

So you'd rather Sakurai put less work into alts? I thought he was lazy!
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>>259787209
People like you are cancer.
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>>259810595
>how to recover in smash
... It's difficult to tell someone to mash buttons until they're upright again? Like you do in fighting games?
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>>259788343
>Well, he got pretty mad

Wheres the proof of that
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>Kid Icarus has 3 reps, one of which (Dark Pit) is a literal clone
>Only reason Dark Pit got in is because Sakurai is throwing in characters from his own games
There's so many other characters I'd put in besides fucking Dark Pit of all things, and Dr. Mario. Fucking lazy cunt
>We're going to cut down on the clones this time around
>Meanwhile Lucina, Shulk, Ganondorf, Dark Pit, and Dr. Mario are in
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>>259810706
It's probably not a huge difference in terms of work, okay? I doubt Lucina took much more time than Wii Fit Guy did... And Falco was probably only a little harder to do than Villager's skins. I mean, aside from adding a voice, they're still reusing the same wire frame and moveset, so....?
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>>259810804

>mash buttons in smash
>tumble slowly to death

compared to

>hold trigger while running foward
>get kills

my sides
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>>259802047
>Thinks Roy isn't a clone
>Thinks Ganondorf is
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>>259811162
... I'm sorry. I didn't know. It's just, I've never actually talked to someone with a mental handicap, I... I just didn't recognize it, I'm so sorry if I offended you. Umm.. Where's your caretaker, is there someone I can... give you to..? To keep you safe..?
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>>259810738
I'd rather Sakurai make Ganondorf an actually interesting character with moves from his own game and not a clone, and I'd rather Sakurai make Dr. Mario an alt instead of an actual, roster space wasting piece of shit clone.
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>>259811551

>...
>being this assblasted
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>>259805121
>that horrid spelling
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>>259811750
>thinking that call of duty is just running forward, shooting
I hate call of duty and I'm still not that dumb
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I feel bad for him because everyone shits on the game because of a couple clones out of a roster of 50+ characters and because there favorite character didn't get in.
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>>259811653
Admit it. If they were to de-cloneify Ganondorf, Falco, and whatnot at this point people will still complain.
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Are all the characters going to be amiibos?
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>>259787089

And people say /v/ isn't Nintendo-gaf.com. Buncha Nintendo man children blindly defending their master.
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>>259811039
Who is Shulk a clone of?
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>>259810804
When he said recover, I don't think he was talking about from the ground. I think I was talking about when you're flying through the air to the screen edge thing

Which is still not amazingly hard
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>>259813097
All the other sword users. All I can see for sure is that he DEFINITELY has Marth's Up B and apparently Link's D air
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>>259813238
Thank you. You're probably right, but it's... not hard.
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> 10 Minutes of Fame

If it's real, the fool didn't blur out the name on the kit. ESRB will be able to trace back who did it, fire them, and they'll never work in the industry again with a high chance of criminal charges put upon him for breaking NDA.

Some fame.
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>>259787846
>>259795919
>>259810172
>>259810790
Why does Sakurai keep removing shit from the game?

>N64=Z-cancel on aerials to remove landing lag was actually part of the game. Combos were a thing and so was hitstun.
>Melee=L-cancel was in the game but not acknowledged. Combos were possible and the game had less hitstun than N64 but it was still good. Good speed and momentum, overall physics feel good.
>Brawl=Nothing. No hitstun, no combos, fuck you. Float to the moon.
>Smash 4= Nothing. Fuck you even harder. Every attack sends you flying as if you were at 100% because I said so you cunt, you're gonna buy my game anyway. Don't forget to buy the figures, dipshit.

Does he think that combos are somehow "competitive" now? That shit is like the basics of the basics for Smash, ever since 64. Or did the success get to his head and he forgot where he came from? Fucking Sakurai.

How is moving faster also a "competitive" or a "tourneyfag" thing as well? Has it ever occurred to him that even the casual players want to get good with their favorite characters without having to deal with restricted movement and gimped physics?

I'm gonna wait for Smash 4. If it's just as shit as Brawl, I'm fucking done with Smash until Sakurai fucks right off. He's one of the only fuckers in the industry that can REMOVE shit on purpose from his own game just to spite a few people and others actually cheer for him. It's one thing to hate a group of people, but it's another thing to fuck your own game to make them unhappy. That's fucking crazy and I'm amazed anyone on /v/ of all places actually get happy at shit like this.
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>>259814010
They are not going to reply dude. Casual fags are literally the cancer that is killing our favorite hobby and /v/ is full of casuals.
I mean, /v/ unironically thinks that dark souls and rising, for example, are hard games. No matter what you say they will act as if they are right. Seriously, do not argue wtih CasualCancer-fags.
Instead of getin fucken gud, they complain about "le evil tourney-fags!".
Melee is one of the very few games that can be played casualy (like you obviously play it) and competitive. Why is that such a bad thing? I have fun playing it my way and you have fun your way. Why do you want us to not have fun so badly? What do you gain from our loss? I don't understand you people. I'm just sorry for them, in the end, they suck at games, that's where all this hate comes from.
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>>259813375
If that is the case
>mixing characters movesets is bad, mang
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>>259814384
No, the cancer is meleefags and Cash prize E-SPORTS for terrible games.
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Literally the only bad thing of the roster/game so far is the obvious shitty clone that is Dark Put. Everything else is golden and we don't even know all the characters yet. Thank you, Sakurai.
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>>259803075
The name shown in game is like ESRB83 some other numbers, so it might be an identifier for whoever owns which copy. Could be entirely wrong though, just a guess.
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>>259814010
Then, don't buy it. Just ignore it, then. Nobody forces you to get Kerfuffle.
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honestly....

Why the fuck is Ganondorf still a clone?

This shit is cray
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no, everyone is going to buy the game anyway
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>>259815026
Dr. Mario?
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Who gives a shit, everybody outside of Japan is going to find out all the characters before getting a chance to play solely because of the staggered release. It doesn't matter whether it was now or after it launches in Japan, all of us were going to get spoiled before ever having a chance to touch the game.
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>>259815549
Dr. Mario could have a better moveset this time around. Dark Pit is just pathetic.
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>>259815802
If he has a better moveset than why is he with the clones?
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>>259816007
Why are the clones even grouped together? How should I know?
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>>259816093
If anything Dark Pit is likely not to be a clone and will just use other weapons from KI. We all know how much samurai loves jacking off to his characters.
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No Mewtwo so fuck him.
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Why are you faggots so upset over a party game?
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>>259816328
Either way he's a fucking reskin of Pit. At least Dr. Mario has a different model.
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>>259816663
>different weapons from the game
>HE'S STILL A RESKIN
... No, that means he has his own moves. Herp..?
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>>259811039
>We are going to cut down on clones

That went out of the fucking window as soon fucking Toon Link got reannounced. Fuck that shit.
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>>259816869
That is still utterly shit. It is like Vanguard Ike gets his won slot purely because he can use axes now.
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>>259816596
Because it's a platform brawler. Mario Party is a party game.
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>>259787089
With the shit gameplay of brawl and smash 4 he can die in a ditch for all i care
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>Anyone else feel bad for Sakurai?

No. He made a shitty game. The leaks just warned us in advance.
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>>259817457
If his fucking moveset is not the same, he is not a god damn clone. Jesus christ, who gives a shit if YOU like Kid Icarus? The point is that he'd be a NEW character and not the same fucking one. God, get over your stupid, "sakurai is biased' bullshit and learn that just because you don't like something doesn't mean it shouldn't be in the game. Complaining about a clone is reasonable, complaining because a character you don't like is in the game is not. If I did that, I'd be complaining about Fox, every fucking pokemon there is, toon link, charizard, yoshi and even fucking little mac. Stop.
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>>259789317
Pictures weren't enough to support it. The videos showing actual gameplay were.
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The "leaked" video is just a mod of Project M.

>Shulk is nothing but ripped moves.
>Marth's up special
>Marth's down special
>Link's down air
>Project M Roy's up smash
>P.M. Roy's down smash

And people still think that video isn't just a mod.

Bowser Jr:
>Bowser Jr. rolls on stage in a clown car. That doesn't seem right.
>He jumps abnormally too.
>He has Diddy Kong's B up.

Shulk:
>He uses Captain falcons up B.
>Uses a lot of Marth's and Link's moves.
>Just stands there on the victory screen.

It goes right to Yoshi for no reason.
Not to mention Shulk's audio is ripped directly from Xenoblade chronicles.

This is why I trust Sakurai, not any of these leaks:
>Bowser Jr. is a skin for villager. Notice the boxing gloves and the bowling ball? The cannonball could be a skin for the rocket where the villager could ride on too.

>Shulk = Marth Why would they have the same up-special?

>Ganon = Cpt. Falcon. I don’t think I have to explain this one.

Potato quality, inconsistent camera work and timing, sound quality is off and unbalanced.

>Nintendo took the videos down because the modders have done something illegal, thus Nintendo has basis to take legal action.

>Youtube's copyright system is terrible and anybody can impersonate anybody and make a copyright claim, and the system shoots first and asks questions later. In many cases you can make a copyright claim not impersonating anybody with an actual copyright and still have the video taken down.

>There have been "take downs" of confirmed fake leaks in the past.

There is an alarming amount of people here who seem to have little understanding of how Youtube's copyright system works..
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>>259818072
This is the most desperate pasta and you've already used it twice in another thread.
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>>259818072
I hate to use the word delusional but......
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>>259818072
Most of this post is bullshit, but I do also think Shulk's moveset and animations look JUST like crappy fanmdae PSA/custom movesets in Brawl.
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>>259817906
It is still a massive asspull to basically put the same character in twice just because two different movesets.
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>>259819128
It's not much different from falco and fox or roy and marth. Link and toon link are also the same motherfucking character, but they're in twice.
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>>259817813
This. I feel bad for leakerbro. He lost his job and will probably get sued for warning us about how irredeemably shit the game is.
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>>259819712
But anon, Fox, Falco, Roy, Marth, Edge Link and not-shit Link are all different characters. Dark Pit is literally Pit.
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>>259798508
it was an accident?
no?
so i dont feel bad for him. because people lose their legs AND arms for lesser shit
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>>259805121
>samus with armor
>samus whitout armor
yeah. i dont see anything else for metroid there.
mother brain is a trophy
ridley is a stage boss
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I hope he croaks. Nintendo deserves nothing but the worst for being money hungry faggots

>hurr durr muh free online

Don't matter if the service is running on Dial Up servers. With Sony we pay but we get free games and a good working server to play with
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>>259821812
>good working server to play with
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>>259821812
>With Sony we pay but we get free games

If you pay for the games that means they're not fucking free, you retard.
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>>259821812
>we pay
>but we get free games
It's not free if you have to pay to access them
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He keeps pandering an audience that doesn't care about the game, by removing things and making the game worse, Smash was always a game liked by everyone in it's early installments, so there was no need to drastically change mechanics.

So no, i don't feel bad, plus there are several devs who also puts all their efforts, this man is not much different.
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>>259822236
>>259822272
They are free you idiots. You're paying for online access. They then give you the games for free
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>>259822467
>They then give you the games for free
>After you've paid
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>>259820748
>edge link and not-shit link
>I' actually talking to someone who likes Toon Link
Die, cis scum.
No but really, they're all the same character. they are both link. They're link from two different games.By your logic, if they put pit and young pit from the original kid icarus both in the game, that'd be fine because they're not the same. But.... they are. I mean *I* would argue they're more than different enough but that's clearly not enough for you.
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NO HES A TOTAL HACK AND SHOULD DIE!
Those types of comments are why I feel bad for him, even if I agree Dark Pit and to an extent Palutena are unnecessary. My reasoning for them is that KI:U is a way better game than the amount it sold so I can understand him wanting to give it an extra push with this opportunity.
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>>259822467
>ITS FREE IF YOU PAY FOR IT
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>>259822467
Sonyfags, everybody.
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>>259787089
Lets send him an apology card
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>>259822635
>>259823113
>>259823415
I bet you think also paid for that free item when you get something from a Buy 1 get 1 free sale you fucking retards. You Ninteyearolds really are clueless
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>>259787089
Fuck off, this kind of shit comes with the industry. Sakurai should be dedicated to OUR fun, not his.
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>>259823683
Yeah an Apology card for him to sign for us.
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>>259823743
Buy 1 get 1 free is EXACTLY like selling both at 50% off. "Buy 1 get 1 free" just looks better in the ads because it makes you think they're giving shit away.
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>>259787089
>This man puts so much into this game
No he doesn't
He re-uses brawl's engine, it's assets, and all of its movelists because Ninty asked him to make another Smash in a desperate bid to save the WiiU
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>>259824118
Yeah, damn him for enjoying his job. Even though that's something everyone should try to do. Fuck him!
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>>259824419
>in a desperate bid to save the WiiU

Because the 3DS version doesn't exist
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I'd buy it just for Missile to be completely honest
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>>259824556
>Because the 3DS version doesn't exist
Them putting it out before the WiiU is a tacit admission that the WiiU will never sell, and they're trying their hand at becoming an entirely mobile game company
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>>259824210
But they are giving shit away. During a Buy one get one free sale if you don't want the free item do you think you're still getting a discount? Nope you pay full price either way therefore free item
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>>259789661
4 special moves for normal attacks 4 aerial attacks and 3 smash attacks
running attacks
Not to mention other attributes like gravity, weight, jump height, etc. etc.

You're an ignorant faggot.
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>subspace emissary gets put on youtube

sakurai: no more subspace emissary in 4

>characters gets leaked on youtube

sakurai: no more new characters in 5
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Whoever leaked it, I can't wait for that fucking idiot to get fired. Hope he enjoys losing a good job to make some faggots on /v/ and gamespot forums happy.
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>>259787089
>He had significant health issues due to the stress of making the last game

Did he contract some mental illness? That might explain why he decided to bring back Dr. Mario and had 2 other Mario newcomers.
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>>259824171
i actualley lol'd :)
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>>259825507
adding them at the expense of fighters in low-repped series like IC and Mother
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>>259817951
They were, that's why you guys are pathetic, people with common sense could see how this was different to any other leak, the amount of effort put into it was unreal for somebody to just fool a few nerds for one, two weeks tops. We could see and understand this...you kept coming with the most insane reasons it was fake like that retarded shulk and little mac picture
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>>259825834
The biggest problem is that the Ice Climbers aren't even underrepresented now, they just aren't in AT ALL.

I mean, fucking WHAT? We even had ice climbers enemies in smash run.
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I missed the leaks and now they've gotten removed from YouTube.
Media link anyone? Thanks in advance.
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>>259789317
I actually still don't understand how the Polar Bears are in but Ice Climbers are out. What are people saying on this
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>>259827259
consolation prize
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I just wanted a proper ganondorf
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>>259827259

Ice climbers were planned and supposed to be in. The 3ds is just a piece of shit
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>>259787089
Kind of yeah. I mean now that the leaks are out, the fun is gone. We didn't really want this. We just wanted to play guessing games.

We can only hope it's not the full roster.
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