>millions of threads on anita >millions of blatant bai

I like her hair can I fuck her?

>>258623370
Do you like burgers?

>>258623202
Gaming journalism isn't vidya, just like how The National Enquirer isn't a history textbook. Just because all that other stuff you posted is shit, doesn't mean you should be allowed to post shit as well.

Hey friends here's a fun little tip for you!
If you see a thread you believe isn't about video games on /v/ then you:
>Report it
>Hide it
>Move on
But remember kids the absolute worst thing you can do is reply to it especially if you happen to be bumping the thread in the process! And never forget it's the Mod's and Janitor's job to decide what is and isn't vidya not yours!

>>258623202
This is ruining games.

She is effecting game journalist and thus effecting game devs who make quality games.

The same thing happened with anita but this is far worse

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I could go for some 5 guys about now
It is vidya, but SJW mods think otherwise

>>258623405
Except for the fact that vidya reviews/journalism directly affect the development of future games.

>>258623456
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Streisand_effect

>>258623494
Ignore the slider.

>>258623456
No thats the fucking rules job.

The mods don't follow the rules and the jannies are opinionated little faggots who delete what they don't like

>>258623202
I'm mad.
It might not seem like I am angry from my punctuation, proper capitalization and sentence structure, but I am mad.

Zoe fucked the Mods of course

Who cares. It's just a bunch of fucks whining about kotaku losing their journalistic integrity.

>>258623430
Because all you're doing is giving her attention, dipshit. You're blowing it up, and you're going to bring more shitheads out of the woodworks to defend her or buy her game.

Any publicity is good publicity.

>>258623494
And ignoring this shit will make it irrelevant, just as it should be.

>>258623456
>And never forget it's the Mod's and Janitor's job to decide what is and isn't vidya not yours!
yes, be a good goy and let the mods delete vidya thread that hurt their pweshus feewings

Give me the thirty second version of what this is about. I don't want to watch the video and require spoonfeeding, and you apparently want me to know/care about something. We both benefit.

>>258623397
Very much so, yes. If I fuck her do I get to eat her burger?

>>258623689
Its not that anon.
You see regardless if you like or not gaming journalism effects game development, if we have this whore fucking everybody to give her game 10/10s, and promoting her 24/7 this will change gaming into a patriarchic SJW wasteland

>>258623601
>>258623701

Here's the thing, the question is, "Are the threads being deleted due to not being vidya or are they being deleted due to the shit flinging between the people arguing it's not vidya and the people who are arguing it is?"

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>>258623579
I'm kind of afraid that the Streisand effect might fail us this time around.

>>258623710
Girl makes shitty game
Girl fucks guys well dating to promote shitty game
Girl attacks websites by saying they attacked her and gains publicity
Girl destorys vidya

>>258623873
Indeed, this cannot be allowed to continue.

>>258623710
The National Enquirer of video games did something retarded as usual, and some dumbasses think the smart idea is to advertise it everywhere.

>>258623873
Fuck off with your political motivations, we don't need this shit on /v/, you're just bringing down this board. I hate all this SJW shit, but you're the kind of person who's been delivering it here.

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>>258623873
>whore
>fucks people who had no integrity to begin with
>this changes thing

why does anyone care?

>>258623931
Threads are being deleted 10 posts in.
Threads are being deleted because of SJW mods.

>>258623710
Basically:
>Makes a game called Depression Quest
>Sleeps with a Kotaku/RPS writer for publicity
>Claims that Witchchan is attacking her, when that is a lie
>Game gets greenlit
>SJWs defend the fuck out of her
>Ruins a game jam to promote female developers for money
>SJW writers refuse to publish story

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>>258623952
No way. /pol/ and /v/ are way too invested now.

>>258623873
But it's what EA/Activision/Everyone else has been doing forever.

This is far more damaging because it's a vagina instead of trinkets?

>>258624107
How does this change things?
Press.
Know what gaming press effects?
Games.
Know what happens to games when their effected by SJW press?
They suck dick
>>258624078
Thats fine. I don't give a shit about /v/, what I give a shit about is fucking video games unlike you.

>>258623202
>News story hits.
>10 faggots make the same thread without thinking.
>Mod deleted 9.
>Out of the 9, 3 remake their threads, complaining about mods.
>The remaining 6 seek other threads to complain about the mods.
>Mod deletes the 3 new threads, because the 1 is still alive.
>"WHY WON'T MODS LET US TALK ABOUT THIS?!?!?!"

>>258623202

Does anyone else think that this kind of behavior is common in all industries?

Every job I've worked there was some conduct that went on that everyone knew about but taboo to talk about.

On this topic, it needs to be noted that sleeping around for favors is an innate fact in being human.

>>258623202
I want to get in the industry so I can fuck sluts, SJW pussy is on point.

>>258624163
I'm sure glad that this type of content is on /v/.
SENSATIONALISM!!!

Fucktard.

>gamefaqs didn't censor this (found out from /pol/ post, don't judge me)
>/v/ did
http://www.gamefaqs.com/boards/916373-pc/69869558

>>258624279
Yes. A game is getting made because of this.

EA never was able to make a game off press.

She is using fame and I'm a grill pls save me as a way to steal money, and make games.

>would sheeva make a good wife?
>donte del exterminador
>why cant i play as hitler in civ?
>youtube poop

these are the threads that are up right now

this thread and threads like it are the ones being deleted

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>>258623405
> Gaming Pundits have no influence on the gaming industry!

Yeah I remember someone saying that, then somehow some chick got to speak at GDC 2013
because someone was mean to her on the internet.

>>258624341
Thats true, thats why nobody watches the news any more. Its corrupt.

>>258624328
Fuck off to /b/ and make some leejun bullshit there.

The only games influenced by SJWs are shitty western AAA experiences, literally no other developer gives a shit.

>>258624426
Isn't that funny. The website that was founded on freedom of speech actually has less freedom than the website that filters curse words.

>>258624328
maybe if this shit effected a good dev i would care
but it doesnt

>>258624426
>[This message was deleted at the request of a moderator or administrator]
>literally three posts in

>>258624594
Now shes giving advice to EA.

SJWs need to be stopped. They are the cancer killing gaming.

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What did Zoe Quinn ask after she fucked Five Guys?

Would you like some ketchup with that?

Phil Fish is whiteknighting the everloving shit out of her, its hilarious.

>>258624078
>Think its still about SJW shit
>Not about Indie dev literally fucking journos for favoritism

So which gaming site are you from?

>>258624730
Message, not thread.

>>258623202
On a scale of 1-10 how mad are you?

>>258624594
Remember when Anita Sarkeesian was a nobody until some shitheads got too angry at her SJW ways and posted threads about her all over /v/ for the past 2 years, and now people notice her? It's your fucking fault for making her a big deal. shitforbrains.

I'm pretty sure you'd need to fuck around to get an sort of reasonable score for what appears to be a text adventure about sad peoples feelings.

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>>258624232
>5v1 multiplayer action

>>258624803
I wonder if she choked on it

It is /v/idya related, but it is also e-celeb drama.

So I am kinda torn.

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>>258624732
>giving advice to EA.
>EA
>E
>A

>>258624879
Except that is wrong stupid.

>>258623710
chick in pic is sjw, and fucks five guys. One of them works for kotaku and rockpapershotgun. He promotes her shitty game that got on steam. Bad things are said about her on wizardchan and she goes to twitter about it claiming it was a raid on her. Game journalists treat her like Trayvon Martin. They say gamers are the worst and won't let women make games, though she had a charity event that promoted female game developers doxxed and didn't let them gain publicity. TL;DR: She fucked game journalists and manipulated them to promote her game, victimhood, and shut things she didn't like.

>>258623689
>losing their journalistic integrity
>implying Shitaku had any integrity to begin with
They claim to be a gaming news site, but when they get called out on their bullshit, they claim they're just a blog.

>>258624732
SJW guys and girls are in control moron. They are the hosts and the reviewers, and some of them are the project leads now. It's like cutting out your own lung dude.

>>258624658
Isn't that funny. The board that was founded on talking about video games has less video games than anti-SJW threads.

It's simple OP,

gaming JOURNALISM isn't video GAMES

>>258624678
Its been a few days anon. Give it a year, this is only the beginning before we see more shit like this and devs are forced into corners.
>>258624621
You know who else is effected? Publishers. I'm not sure if you've seen Xseed recently but its gone to shit because they used the word trap, since that happened it will become less likely they'll put games like that over here or they will be heavily censored

Fuck off to reddit

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I heard she has nude photos.

>>258624920

I didn't even know Five Guys sold fish burgers.

>>258625014
anon. epic.

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If you people are sick of seeing this then you only have the mods to blame. It's related to vidya enough to have at least one thread on this board, when mods try to play whack-a-mole with our discussion you get >>258623579

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>>258624920

As much as i think video game "celeb" discussion and gossip is mega lame, one of the few virtues and novelties of /v/ is freedom of discussion that allows us to freely criticize individuals like this. You really can't find open discussion like this on any other major video game site.

>>258625054
Yeah, at least I think they're her.
Not very good though.

>>258625054
She does. She's also pig-ugly with a terrible body. Don't bother looking for them.

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>>258625054
Do yourself a favor and don't go looking for them.

The normalfags who support people like her and SJW gaming websites need to see and understand this. This could be the thing that brings them down.

Lets not forget how she used Robin Williams death to advertise her fucking game.

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>>258624996
Then we cut our own lung. Somethign has to be done. Somethign needed to be done years ago.

>>258625231
What the fuck? Really?

>>258624950
EA despite being a shitty company has some of the best IPs and has made some great games.
Dragon Age was amazing, Dragon Age 2 was made nice for everybody because some faggots complained. Dragon Age 3 is likely to be the worst game of the year.
EA is just the beginning
>>258624996
You cut your lung if you have cancer so it doesn't spread.

>>258624939
This has nothing to do with E-celeb drama.
No one gives a shit that some woman fucked five different guys.
People care about what it means for the industry as a whole.

slide it

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>>258624879
Remember when /v/ got mad at Christina Hepler and trolled her a bit, and now shes the most well known and richest gaming writer ever?

No? Yeah that never happened.

>>258625054

http://shittywebcomics.tumblr.com/post/95077244239/some-nude-shoots-zoe-quinn-did-note-how-tattoos

>Fedora

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>>258623202
>fake conspiracy

>>258625123
I've added those tags as well.

Row row fight the powah

>>258623202
I'm a gamer. I enjoy playing video games. However, I don't go to garbage sites like Kotaku and GiantBomb. I come here frequently, but I avoid all of the SJW/Anti-SJW threads like the plague.

For whatever reason, I decided to read this thread and watch the entire youtube video. Yeah, Zoe is a cunt. Yeah, those gaming journalists are shit, the websites are shit, and they're all corrupt. The whole feminism in video games thing is a joke.

But, how is this really a problem? Aside from some REALLY ugly feminists, shitty journalists, and beta white knights, how does this affect you or me? It's not like this horse shit gets posted on mainstream sites. Most gamers are gonna look up a game on metacritic, IGN, and maybe gamestop.

Basically, what I'm saying is, the only people who buy into this bullshit are the feminists themselves, the dudes they're fucking, and the beta white knights that will always defend a girl (trying to fulfill the whole damsel in distress fantasy where they get laid in the end) no matter what.

Anyone who doesn't buy into it isn't reading this garbage, nor are they perpetuating it. So why are we even having a discussion?

>>258625054
Honestly, I love purple hair but shes REALLLY unattractive

>>258625054
Yes, she did porn. They are reallyg ross.

Can I get a quick point form summary of what this whole thing is about? For various reasons I can't watch the video right now or do much research, but I'm very curious.

Please and thank you.

which mod is fucking her?

>>258623202

The video is good, but how is this ruining gaming?

This reminds me of the faggot demographic in school. It's always going to be there, you just ignore it.

If my next Elder Scrolls, GTA, Zelda, Civ game spews out social justice I'll rebel and not follow the series anymore.

Until then this is just retards yelling at retards.

What's the point in drawing attention to it, honestly?

You are dealing with SJWs... they will never listen nor will they ever accept a single fact that going against their beliefs and feelings.

This is so pointless, why even bother?

>>258625023
But thats the issue. It is. Its not even game journalism. Its gaming.

Games are being affected by this bullshit.

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>>258624336
There was a 200 reply thread about 15 minutes ago, nowhere near the bump limit, and would be archived for 2 days when it's pushed off the catalog. Everyone was situated there from the looks of it.

It's gone now. Explain that.

>>258624939
It's not that she fucked five guys, it's that all five guys are involved with the gaming industry and with the gaming media.

It shows the corruption so clearly, and this could be a chance to purge it.

Please for the love of god, /v/, don't fuck this up like you did Anita. We have a chance to make gaming better.

>>258625395
sauce

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>>258624232
>5v1 multiplayer action

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>>258625336
>If I change my twitter description this will all go away!

>>258625402
http://pastebin.com/Vrrdf6a4

The basics.

>>258625151
Enjoy it while it last, anon. If one of the mods or janitor got infected by sjw aids, you'll see this place turned into the thing you despised overnight.

Nothing last forever.

>>258625423
So we'll just let it go unchecked? With no consequences?

No. Fuck you. We tried it your way, we tried to ignore it, and it only got worse.

You want to be a fucking pacifist and go sit in a corner? Go ahead. The rest of us care that our hobby is being hijacked by a bunch of cunts.

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why are girls named zoee always whores?

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>>258623202
How deep does the rabbit hole go?

Who else is on the take? Who is just playing SJW friendly to keep their job?

So, I just read all the shit the ex-bf had to say and watched the video. This woman is a first class bitch, the ex-bf is a shit-tier beta faggot and vidya journalism is truly dead if even an ugly piece of shit like her can use sex to get stuff.

Earth is a sad little planet.

>>258625579
Thanks friend

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>>258623202
>that Phil Fish bitchslap out of nowhere

Love watching bad people get called out.

Oh yeah, gaming journalism. Only way to save it is by independent reviewers.

>>258625336
>I'm such a victim
>I fucked 5 of my superiors and had them advertise my game and defend me, but I'm the victim
>I censored discussion about my inexcusable actions and shut down a video game creation contest, but I'm a victim
>Stop oppressing me!

There's a female mod on 4chan

There's the reason these threads are getting deleted.

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>>258624939
E-celeb drama is usually pointless, but this story is fairly significant. It's really shows how fucked up game journalism has become and how these people are actually hurting the industry instead of helping it.

From the bit on Polaris:

>JonTron and Zoe butting heads was something I was worried about from the second I saw their team line-up. Tensions were high, and everyone was out of their element, but if any two personalities weren’t going to gel, it was them. And they didn’t, to no one’s surprise, but the pair quickly left to talk in the hall, instead of letting it sour the group dynamic. The second their feet left the competition floor, however, something happened that I didn’t expect: cameras. Cameras from every angle and direction, marching in to the discussion as someone started feeding the fight with inflammatory comments, and all of it filmed for what would likely be some of that legal “misrepresentation.” Zoe was horrified.

>The backlash of Depression Quest appearing on Steam Greenlight is not lost on me, and it’s still a fresh wound to both Zoe (who had to change her phone number due to death threats and harassment) and many female game developers and journalists who call the industry their home. The potential backlash of being “the bitch with a beef against JonTron” was all at once shockingly real, and by even having it on film, the risk for a fight to be cut into the show began to grow on everyone’s mind. Jon didn’t want that. Zoe definitely didn’t want that. Serrato, Umetani and the many producers spectating didn’t want that, and it went against everything game jams stood for – but Matti pushed the angle. And as the challenge went on, we discovered that he had cornered Jon in a room to try and get him to speak poorly of Zoe, the only negative “story” they could muster out of all fifteen contestants.

>Jon’s a nice dude. That interview attempt failed, with the result of making him furious.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBEBkZ7sPMo

>>258625567
Just search Zoe Quinn naked on google.
She actually has a few sets.
Or see >>258625319
Not sure why you want to see them.

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>>258625336
>Desciption says she was framed

Well I'm convinced.

Was it the Rapelay incident that started all this bullshit third wave pretender feminist invasion and corruption of the medium? Where did it all go wrong?

>>258625371
We are discussing this because of the impact this can cause.

Anita has changed games with her SJW virtues. This women is going to change games too.

I get what your saying but the thing is, normalfags buy into this shit to to defend a women in an instant

Regardless if you think this derserves to be vidya or not, it can change games if we don't do anything

Has this story been published on any of the mainstream video game outlets?

Or are they going to try to sweep it under the rug, and blame straight, white men for somehow making this a problem

>>258625308
>went out of the way to adquire nudes
>even brought kamiya in on the joke

Nah. You idiots care about your e celeb drama alright. Where was the shitposting crusade literally every single other time journalism was shit?

why is this shit getting censored so hard? its impossible to find discussion about this anywhere but here, the escapist, badgame.net, and the broteampill forums. everyone else is blacking it out, and SA scrubbed the post as soon as it went up. Indie Bitch Internet Occupation Government??

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>>258624232

>>258624805
I'm not from any fucking site, gaming journalism is retarded, and so are you for getting invested in it.
>>258624965
>Make 50 Anita Sarkeesian threads per day making fun of her retarded ideas back when she was a nobody
>People here go after her
>This draws the attention of other SJWs
>Blows up into a huge deal
>Everyone learns about her Kickstarter
>B-B-BUT WE MADE THINGS BETTER!

You are literally some of the most retarded and ignorant fuckers I've ever had the displeasure speaking to online, speaking as someone who dislikes SJWs. You dumbshits made them more popular than ever because you turned it into a political agenda, you advertised it everywhere to try and get more followers, and it only served to make things so much worse. AND YOU ARE TOO UNAWARE TO ACTUALLY REALIZE THIS, WHAT THE FUCK HOW CAN YOU BE THIS STUPID

CAN'T SPIN THE QUINN

>$0.00

>>258625498
There is already a thread about distrusting video game journalism that is probably hitting it's 500 post bump limit as I'm typing this right not.

FOR

FREE

>>258625594
Something should be done, you can't be trusted to deal with it in a manner that doesn't make her end up looking like a victim and us the bad guys.

>>258623456
thanks SRS

>>258625558
I always thought that she treat herself with penis buffet by going 6P. Welp. Suddenly i lost interest in her.

>>258625412
So what do you do when every single series you enjoy is ruined?
Is it likely that will happen? No. Is it possible? Yes.

why not both

Can someone please link to the posts Nathan Grayson (Kotaku) supposedly wrote about Zoe/Depression Quest?

>>258625613
isn't this the same dev who needed "life-saving surgery" to get their man bits cut off? Or am I thinking of someone else?

>instead of actually addressing the issue, she's trying to censor all opposition
What the fuck is she hoping to accomplish?

>>258625336
Framed and fake conspiracy could also be how she faked the abuse she said she got from wizardchan to get her game greenlit.

>>258625753

This shit is sold for money on steam? holy fuck. It looks like one of those shitty html porn games.

>>258625308
This is absolutely e-celeb drama. No one outside of 4chan and shitty SJW blogs has any idea who this bitch is, has ever heard of her game, and remotely cares about any of this.

>>258625798
95% chance they won't even mention it
5% they say that evil misogynists are harassing Quinn

It's so blatant though, I don't see how they can talk about it without people seeing the corruption.

>king of the kill thread
>mods literally sit there and delete every post that doesnt mention pocket sand

im not even shitposting, this has been happening for years

mods care about archiving threads for reddit screenshots, nowhere is a safe place for videogame discussion

>>258625824
Well for the past few days /pol/ has been going after the families of the people involved. That's probably a big part of it.

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/pol/ mods are part of the indie royalty now.

>>258625814
Stamped out, just like this "scandal" will be.

But there was rarely an example as poignant as this one.

Do you think the mods are shilling this hard, so we say "hurr mods fucked zoe"

They work for free on an anime image board. They're not fucking anybody. Maybe they like the idea we're joking they got laid.

Virgins are the natural enemy of the SJW

Imagine a group of people that cannot be controlled by vagina. Imagine a group of people that are immune to female's sole form of control of their world. A group of people immune to the manipulations, social plotting and invented drama that women use to control people around them.

If you're not a virgin, you're putty to a SJW.
They own you.

>>258625412
Something something nobody will stand up for you because you didn't stand up for anyone else

>>258625982
different person

>>258625982
That's someone else.

>>258625412
>Until then this is just retards yelling at retards.
She fucking shut down a contest that was about getting a person's game concept produced by crying oppression. She fucked her way to greenlight for her shitty game, and got a bunch of whiteknights to defend her. This is not something where you go "lol, not my problem." This is actively lowering the standards of your hobby, and you being quiet is as good as giving permission to continue. Just look at fucking Xseed, that's your future.

>>258625935
The only thing we can do is spread awarness.

Its the only way to win in this twisted game

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>>258623202
We need a daily thread until people realize how grim we've gotten.
Can you do that for me anon?
Perhaps this could inspire someone to become one of the few good gaming journalists as they are a rare breed now.
Buzzwords and nepotism are all we are left with, no more games.

>>258625786
No, it started in 2006 with the release of the Wii, which brought "gaming" to women and took steam a year later with the premier of Big Bang Theory

It was only a matter of time before these fucks infected the rest of the nerd industry

Civ 5 is already trending towards social justice by putting in bullshit leaders like Wu Zetian and fucking Dido

>>258625957
At least one of them has been deleted by a cursory search, only one there now is him defending her on something unrelated.

Nobody deserves the kind of shit she's going to get for this, yes even though she's a lying hypocritical slut, the force of the internet is one of the scariest things these days.

Honestly though? It's all the guys faults just as much as it is hers, and if they had been more professional and been doing their jobs right and legally, they could've avoided the incoming shitstorm they're all about to face.

I feel pretty bad about it but this is the turning point to tell all the SJW hypocrites to get their fucking act together and fuck the hell right off.

>>258625982
zoe isn't a man
just ugly
you're thinking of https://twitter.com/CousinDangereux/

>>258625371
It's fun to get mad about things and pretend that IT'S HABBEDING

>>258626012
No it's free.

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>>258623456
Pretty sure discussion about the corruption in video games journalism is video games related.

>>258625613
The first girl I kiss was named Zoe
She killed herself

>>258626040
Wow, the mod completely missed the point.

Amazing how retarded people can be.

>>258626158
Don't feel bad.

She brought it on herself. She deserves it.

>>258625151
The problem is all the /pol/ crossboarders who try and make it more than just criticism, they try to make a big movement against it and only make things so much worse.

You can tell it's /pol/ because they use the same exact excuse for everyone who tells them to fuck off, and it's the "If you're not one of us, you're one of them" excuses. If you don't want them here, you are a SJW Reddit-loving 9fagger JIDF censor police.

who /outlel/ here

>>258625814
>went out of the way to adquire nudes

what? dude, its not like someone fucking dragged them out of personal emails or some shit. Look at the fucking watermarks on them, they were published by her.

>>258625319

>>258626182
The real habbeding was in Ferguson when the press got shot at by the nogs.

Whaat news is their on this issue so far??? Has she started to get exposed publicly? Seems only a few people know.

>>258626158
You kidding me? She tried to manipulate everyone around her to promote herself, throwing anyone and everyone under the bus just to further herself.

>>258625319

christ now it's clear why you guys call her "five guys"

>>258626041
I dont remember literallh any other scandal like this being deleted. Know why? Because those threads focused on the reviews instead of some ugly dyke being a whore. You know, internet drama

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I added this stupid "game" to my steam account because I originally thought it would be cool to have if it ever got removed, I regret this now but unlike other recent free games you can't remove it from your account in the Account Details, god dammit

>>258625824
>and SA scrubbed the post as soon as it went up.

How are you actually surprised by this? SA has been a SJW pisshole for YEARS now.

>>258626042
SJW have infiltrated the staff. If not for them all the staff would have gotten laid by now.

>>258626158
Bitch, just close your fucking eyes.
I know that twatter is the only thing that distracts you from the smell between your legs, but grow the fuck up.

>>258623456
jesus christ SRS go to bed you arnt going to stop the Streisand Effect

>>258626154
That's a shame. Without any direct evidence of this guy actually giving favorable/significant press coverage there isn't really much meat to serve the story to mainstream sites. Until this link is thoroughly documented, it's just going to be suppressed as nothing more than gossip.

>>258626038
SA took that shit down the moment it went up even before any rallying of virgins

>>258625753
Oh my god, is that Twine?

>>258626337
I don't even think contacting steam support will do it

>>258624426
This shit is a fucking goldmine

>Just think, five separate men actually managed to be aroused by that corpulent pincussion.

>>258626040
>He thinks it's because she slept around
>He thinks the issue is just the fact that she's a whore
Wow. Missed the point by a fucking mile.

>>258626051
well fuck. sorry guys, I'm out. took one for the team.

>>258623202
Zoe slept with the mods, they did her for free.

>>258623202

Oh boy, can't wait till Thunderf00tinmymouth makes a video about her.

>>258626426
>Mods
>Fucking anybody

?

>>258625832
I've got better things to do than bother some random chick online jesus christ dude. Everyone has been insulted on the internet at some point. If you are a popular internet celeb and get told you are a slow ass bitch while playing an online game, it doesn't mean you have been singled out for harassment by mysoginists over everyone other person on the internet and you have to fucking twitter about it with screenshots.

Most gamers deal with smacktalk every day.

>>258626403
Yes.

Also the game is linear bullshit and crosses out all options except the ones it decides for you.

>>258626051
if that so, hypothetically why would most /v/irgins gladly NOT throw away their source of autonomy at the chance of getting some free pussy with no consequence?

we're all just angry misanthropes here that see the bullshit in the SJW's lies, free sex be damned.

>>258625293
>In elementary school, friend has brain tumor
>Tell all the kids in class, WE NEED TO TAKE ACTION
>We all get pencils and start stabbing him in the head
>"DIG IT OUT, DIG IT OUT!"
>Makes national news, we're asked why we did it
>"You don't just let cancer spread, stupid."

>>258623579
In a funny twist, the Streisand effect is being put on display full force on /v/ right now

>>258626245
>>258626294
Oh I agree it's deserved, just I'd hate to be in that position, it's a personal fear.

Then again I'm a guy and can't fuck my way into the career I want so guess I don't have much to worry about.

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>>258626403
pic related is the only good twine game ever made

>>258625763
did they fuck?

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what are you doing to tell the world about this bitch and 5 guys?
remember spamming /v/ doesn't help.

can someone explain this zoe quinn shit? I literally have not been paying attention and have not cared until now

>>258626234
>>258625613
>cute girl i met on the adult swim message board back in 2003 turned out to be using a 20 year old photograph of herself
>gave me the toothiest blow job of all time
>cock looked like chipped beef

fuck you zooey

God, she's ugly. Notice how attractive women are rarely feminists? To normal women, these feminists are weird. In the same way that the highschool football star finds the people who go to anime club weird.

It's only other ugly feminists supporting her, dudes who have fucked her, or dudes who hope that supporting her might get them laid. That's it. She's ugly. She's weird. Let's be like the highschool jock and just make pretend she doesn't exist.

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>>258624551
if only there were a word for that

>>258625613

Honestly I think that article is pretty shitty. People should be focusing on the fact that gaming journalism's already hilarious reputation is being further tarnished by shady conduct like this. Not that some SJW is a whore. That's not even news.

>>258625318
I didn't even know who she was 3 years ago, and I would have preferred not knowing, thanks a lot asshole.

>>258623370
Good luck, she most likely has STD's

>>258626512
Haha, you make joke! In my country, twine is not 'game'

>>258626280
http://thezoepost.wordpress.com/

Y'all niggas just mad that you can't shit out a low effort indie title and have the gaming press praise the shit out of it by sucking dick

>>258626108
Then 4chan is the worst place to do that. Remember, only small portion of internet browse /v/. If you want to raise consciousness about the corruption of gaming journalism, you need a more mainstream outlet.

I hate to say this but sites like Reddit have more chance at it rather than /v/.

>>258625025
Sorry m8, based Tom ;) will always be there to protect us.

>>258626426
OP here this is one thing I don't understand
How could anybody sleep with her? She has one of the worst bodies I've seen on a normal human? Her ass and tits are a wall yet shes mildly chubby.

>>258626547
see
>>258624163

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>>258626135

>>258626547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M
this video will tell you all you need to know

>>258626512
underrated post

>>258626253
>People who hate this are /pol/ crossposters
>/pol/ uses a false dichotomy
>using a false dichotomy
>to insinuate /pol/ uses a false dichotomy

The menstrual blood and faggot are strong with this one.

>>258625319
ehh she's okay. Definitely not someone I would go out of my way to push her agenda but I wouldn't mind fucking her.

>>258626460
i can't tell if i like thunderf00t or not
i think it's because he's a MRA type. He's fighting wrong people, but falls into wrongness himself because he decided to take a "side" rather than accept everyone is retarded.

Like i enjoyed his anita-joke video, especially when he quoted her verbatim with a shit eating grin, but it did feel like he was trying to make a serious point of sorts rather than just adapting her mannerisms to a joke video in a cool way.

maybe i am just a faggot.

Just reminding everyone that videogames are an industry without real journalists anywhere.
The amateurs pretending to be journalists aren't really journalists at all, they just blog and write shit, but they lack proper creditation, standards and quality to be consider any more journalists than the average myspace blog.

>>258626502
Thats different. The cancer that kid has can heal. This one won't heal.

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How much do janitor positions on /v/ pay again?

>>258626547
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M
You'll get the idea in the first few minutes if you don't have the attention span for anything longer.

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>>258626640
LET IT BURN

Report it to the fucking police then and fuck off

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>>258625902
Welp, you're right. I found it.

I'll see myself out then.

>>258625423
Because the people in these threads are /pol/tards, and they are just as belligerent and radical as the SJWs, they are just on the other side of the spectrum.

Any normal person would just ignore either.

>>258623370
If you like the hole Phil Fish probably fucked

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>>258625957
Here is a pic of an article used in OP's video. It's an article about games being greenlighted for steam. Nathan wrote it and he specifically mentions Zoe's Depression Quest as a standout. He also uses her game for the article's picture.

>>258623370
Sure. She already fucked five other guys.

>>258623202
Who gives a shit about depression quest or this bitch? If you really think its so bad why are you posting it, I wouldn't even know about it unless it was posted here. You are just as bad as the kotaku writer for promoting it

>>258626721
nah, thunderf00t is just as bad as theamazingatheist.

>>258626787
is that tord

>>258626639
how come no one has updated this in two years? with all the tumblr shitstorms, i feel like we could already predict out to 2016

>>258626716
she has failAIDS though

>>258626589
>Not that some SJW is a whore. That's not even news.
It's also not the point. No one cares that she was sleeping around. We care because she was sleeping with her bosses and people in positions to greenlight and viral her game.

>her
>she
Xe identifies as a burgerkin, cis scum

>>258625790
>I get what your saying but the thing is, normalfags buy into this shit to to defend a women in an instant
Really? I'm probably a normalfag because I graduated college and have a decent job but I would NEVER support feminists in 2014 or any SJW bullshit. I know many women who have decent careers and identify as liberals that wouldn't support this weird cunt either.

>>258626337
you can hide it from your library, at least

>>258626721

I like his videos tearing apart feminism but dude needs to focus more on the science stuff. Leave the SJW riffing to aristocrat.

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>>258626621
It will build up, /v/ is the perfect place to build hate.
No trolling or twitter wars, the SJWs benefit too much from that.
Share the info with whoever you can.
This affects all of us as it affects the hobby and art we are most passionate about.
Don't let this be the end of gaming.
I just wish there was something we as a board could do.

>>258626767
approx $0.00 an hour. that's in USD.

>>258626106
Yeah, let's send people to insult her on Twitter and make hate websites and start a campaign and call her a slut and a whore and send her hate mail

This cannot backfire in any way.

>>258626253
You're delusional or you've never been to /pol/. That has /v/ written all over it. It must make you feel better though to imagine that /pol/ is the reason people tell you to leave.

>>258625824
These threads have been getting censored here too.

>>258626323
we can look at the articles about her game to see how they are corrupt, we see that all the time but now we have actual evidence of why this was happening, and we can have a discourse on how to stop it from happening and why it isn't okay. nothing like this has happened since the gamespot kane and lynch 2 scandal.

jesus christ /v/ is retarded this isn't just a sjw thread just like not all fire emblem or persona threads are always just waifu shitposting with no discussion of the actual games.

>>258623202
We just hit rock bottom

>>258626867
He's not THAT bad. I don't think he's threatened to rape anyone or stuck a banana up his ass.

>>258626051
fuck that, virgins bend over backwords for women. Guys who get laid don't give a shit about this stuff, because they know none of it makes a difference.

>>258625613
Why would a married man risk it having sex with her? I'd rather have a porn addiction.

>>258626460
sounds like we have a butthurt femifaggot.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UwUO_NHAjQA

THREAD THEME

>>258626547
Female game dev pulls an anita by making up a story about wizardchan harassing her. Wizardchan is a site for a bunch of beta virgins who just want to be left alone.

Female dev gets lots of press, becomes the new anita who's actually a game developer. Well, not a developer, more of a writer who makes text adventures. Said game gets steam greenlighted.

The 5 guys saga is about this game dev, who's a current SJW/feminist figurehead, cheating on her boyfriend with five other men. Normally this would be just regular old e-celeb drama, but the people she slept with happen to be in the game industry. One was her (married) boss, the other was a Kotaku writer. The issue is a conflict of interest and how game journalists are (literally) in bed with the people making the games they cover.

>>258625957
>>258626816
They were on this together also
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIKEJBHbLgg

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>>258626816

>powerful
>twine

>same sentence

>>258626572
Or let's just all have common sense and recognize when someone is mentally ill, aka Zoe Quinn.

>>258626721

That's pretty much my stance on thunderf00t. Dude's okay, but playing sides is the quickest way to lose.

>>258626051
>Virgins are the natural enemy of the SJW
Virgins happy with their virginity are
Those desperate to lose it can range from useful idiots to white knights.

>>258626559
A literal autistic girl from my high school was named Zoe.

Also, that shit show Zoey 101.

>GAMERS ARE THE ISSUE
>THE PEOPLE THAT PUT MONEY IN THE POCKETS OF DEVELOPERS ARE THE PROBLEM
This needs to fucking stop.

>>258626934
Anon, if you don't know the difference between an SJW and a women your a normalfag.

An SJW actively is a man hating dyke who will lie, cheat and manipulate to get her way.

A women, regardless of sexism, is a women.

I'm talking to average day idiots, the not 4chan, not even reddit, not even gamefaqs fags, I'm talking facebook level, they'll see this and take the side of the girl and try to help her

>>258626975
how much is that in bitcoins

>>258626885
This bitch has an infected pussy?

>>258626795
It's no big deal. I was just playing devil's advocate. You still have the benefit of the doubt that perhaps threads were being deleted for no good reason.

Captcha: masonic leadobl

>>258624797
does that mean she was on her period? because that makes it even more fucking nasty

>>258623952
Nope. When the mods started deleting everything earlier today, that's when a bunch of pissed off guys started posting this shit more and more.

And further proving that the mods are either friends with Zoe/fucked the bitch.

>>258626721
>>258626968

Agreed. The feminism stuff is fine, on occasion, but I really enjoy these videos about laughable science instead.

>>258626884
It honestly hasn't gotten that worse since the pic was made. People like Aneta don't matter, EA would have butchered mirrors edge 2 with out her input anyway

>>258627013
There are 2 kinds of virgins though: the ones that are absolutely desperate to get laid and will bend over backwards just like you said. The others are the older wizard virgins who just don't give a fuck anymore.

>>258625336
Well, she's correct in that it definitely isn't a fake conspiracy.

>>258626253

This. I really hate how /pol/ started that whole TORtanic shit that ruined /v/ for weeks, too. It's like they didn't even appreciate the money and time EA put into that game.

fuck you mods. We will keep making these threads.

You know, I have no problem with Anita Sakessian at all. None. I didn't give her money, she owes me nothing, and her videos are mildly interesting.

But Zoe has actually done something really wrong here. She has set women back in the games industry years. She has also destroyed what minuscule credibility games journalism has(d)

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>>258627071

This is more fitting. Dark times ahead.

>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns7fNPiNiNc

>>258626253
Well you kinda are. Anita wanted comments Disabled. Zoe wanted videos removed. You want threads deleted.

If people never know an indie dev was literally in bed with the journos and their boss, then nothing happened. There is no problem with vidya. Vidya industry is pure and above reproach.

>>258626976
Christ you are retarded.

Spreading awareness doesn't equal doing that. Telling your vidya friends, starting threads on gaming sites, doing that shit is how you do it.

The last thing we want is to give the whore more ammo.

Please do not send her hate or make hateful comments, post the truth and only the truth with no pinions.

>>258627298
>for free

>>258626816
Thank you, that is a great data point. Giving Depression Quest a standout mention is definitely a clear instance of a conflict of interest.

The next step would be to find out if they slept together before or after the article was published.

Has anyone seen the Internetaristocrat's video on this? I'm only a few minutes in and it's exactly spot on with what this is really about.

>>258627358
Ignore the shills

How is this thread still up? Are the SJW mods gone or are they just giving us false hope?

>we have other unwanted shit
>so this unwanted shit is ok

i'll report, not that im expecting much

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>Doesn't like how women are represented in games
>Pro neo-feminism
>Decides to make a game
>sleeps with her boss
>wants lots of representation
>sleeps with game "JURNALISTS"
>All this while cheating on her boyfriend
>victimizes herself, censors criticism of her game, manipulates and destroys everything around her
>Is worried that this information being leaked will ruin women in video games

Shouldn't have fucking done all that shit in the first place, and should have had you know, standards, integrity and principles like you boast so much chinn-quinn

>"Baww this sets back feminism 100 years"
You aren't a feminist, what do you care?

>>258627071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EFH0gIybDR4

why does she live this way
heyMUST BE THE MONEY

>>258627279
>post deleted

Here it comes

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This whole debacle has actually convinced me to make a SJW game in RPG Maker.

I'm gonna make a Kickstarter and shit and make thousands of dollars I won't need.

>we need a general about some whore up on /v/ 24/7
>no we aren't reddit

>>258625371
And I read books, I'm a booker.

>>258627298
>It's like they didn't even appreciate the money and time EA put into that game.
gr8 b8 m8

>>258627071
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M8vei3L0L8

>>258627298
>the shilling is real
All that money and time sure made a great game!

>>258627442

They are probably getting fucked in the ass

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>>258627252
What about those who don't do 3D pigs at all?

Reposting
Of course they are, OP. This entire publishers fund websites with ad revenue in exchange for money fuels this. Journo's get free shit when they review games. Vidya journalism, with no other way to get money other than begging for site views or publisher money, is doomed to be a corrupt, unjust system.

Why do you think a big site like IGN has no SJW crap? Because they don't need clickbaits, their fanbase is large as it is. that in turn makes them report news without editorial bias.

Now they still have to rely on publisher money, so their reviews are bought. Easy as that.

People like Geoff and Sessler already state that they check everyday to see if they made their quota on site and video views in order to feed themselves. That's why being videogame journalist is hell.

Most sites should just go for the subscription fee model. I' m willing to pay for their food as long as they keep their SJW shit out, and make fair reviews, and report on actual vidya news as fast as IGN.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5-51PfwI3M

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I dont mean to be cheesy but we need to put a fucking end to this "video game journalism" they are small people tampering with our fucking games we can put a stop to this shit

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>>258627279
kek'd

>Butthurt mod deleted it

>>258627352
Offical thread theme:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V7aUT13qtM

This legitimately makes me really fucking mad.
Like holy shit what the fuck.
I want to do something about it.

>>258623202
I'm gonna blow the whole thing down

i'm gonna bring the whole fucking diseased corrupt temple down on your head

its gonna be biblical

>>258627453
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70o_F6Yo7ck

no this song

>>258627442
Gone and maybe slowly realizing they shouldn't try censoring everything.

Or they're getting arrested for uploading CP and trying to false flag this shit.

>>258627480
This.

>>258627279
That isnt exactly the right way to handle this situation, but damn thats funny.

>>258627420
its all over the thread

>>258627420

Its in the OP dude.

>>258627191
My converter shows 0 bitcoins

>>258626934
Nah, you're lying at this point. As someone who has graduate from high school only 2 years ago, and has completed 1 year of college in a technical field and required to take only 1 liberal arts course, you're probably one of them. They shove that feminism crap so damn much, it's everywhere. Colleges/Universities/Community Colleges are all liberal brain-washing institutions these days. English class, social science classes in high school, EVERY single thing we were 'studying' was about woman's suffrage and the feminist movement. The 2 lib courses required in my first 2 semester of College? FEMINISM, WOMEN'S RIGHTS, MINORITY RIGHTS, yaaaaaaaay! This is in Canada. Ontario is a liberal shit hole and I want out asap, UTM in particular.

>>258627315
And the problem is, she considers herself to be a victim, and thinks that all of us (and the fact that we're talking about it) are the real problem.
I'm fucking pissed that people are saying ignore it, like it'll just go away. This has actual fucking effects, and no one should be content with just lying down and taking it.

>>258627372
>Please do not send her hate or make hateful comments
Do the inverse also. Be nice yet critical.

I'm not educated enough on the situation, but something like

"I was actually looking forward to this game, and would have been willing to donate to [her crap] but due to the corrupt journalism involved in promoting it, I feel it would be problematic of me to fund such projects."

maybe a bad example but you get the idea, act nice, interested, whatever, but in then end maintain the spread of information.

>Start a thread openly complaining about the mods
>Get surprised at deletion.

I hope you have a dynamic IP, OP. I can't wait to see you bitching on /pol/ about how mean those sjw mods are.

>>258627279
No, we don't. You fucking /b/-tards need to fuck off and go ebin raid someone else.

What WE need to do is simply inform people, without bias, what transpired. No twisting this into "SHE'S A SLUT SHE'S A SLUT SHE'S A SLUT" or "SJWS ARE LITERALLY KILLING GAMING"

None of that. This is corruption, plain and simple. Integrity has been compromised and this is one of the most damning things to come out in a long time about it.

>>258626867
I just wish he would stop putting BUSTED/DEBUNKED/etc in his videos. That and stop making the same fucking video five times in a row, goddamn solar roadways.

>>258627571
Pretty much this

>>258626876
Dont worry... I miss him too.
>i saw his (citation needed) now removed video after ed died
>Drank a cola for ed
>manly tears
>motherfucker also lifts holy shit

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>>258626158
yeah sounds like something she'd say

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>>258627586
INB4 DELETED

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>>258627442
I think they got tired. Probably realized they can't delete them forever and are coming up with a damage control strategy.

>>258627442
Why do you dumb fucks think the mods are SJW?

They are fucking burned out on the feminism shit that has destroyed this place, just like everyone else. It's literally the opposite.

I didn't even know about the wizardchan stuff and some of the other shit zoe's done. Goddamn

>>258623579
Streisand effect is basically what caused stuff like anita to become big in the first place. No publicity is bad publicity. If /v/ just shut the fuck up and didn't try to tackle anita, she would've remained an insignificant ant. Instead she became a sensation

>>258627574
guess what m8. that makes you a sexist misogynist. the proper thing to do would be to empower ms quinn and buy anything she makes

>>258627571
I always prefer this instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWTrAVLhbS8

But yes, I agree.

>>258627586
9/10

>>258627531
We can't do anything man, We do anything they'll just turn this shit back at us, even if we put everything in the most polite way possible, they'll twist our words into slurs and make us seem like the bad people.

>>258627523
the latter category

>>258626934
You'd be surprised how much of the industry has bent to feminist causes. It is a serious problem and needs to be stomped out now. XSEED is currently fighting this shit off right now.

is giantbomb one of those sites that is effected? i love giant bomb..

>>258627463
Don't forget to pretend you're a girl on kickstarter since female-led projects have a better chance of receiving free money. Then hire an Indian to make the game for you.

>>258625151
>You really can't find open discussion like this on any other major video game site.

This is the longest I've ever seen a zoe/five guys thread go without being deleted. For the past two days they've been deleted so fast no actual discussion has ever managed to take place.

>>258627574
Tell your vidya friends, post the videos on other fourms and vidya websites.
Spreading awarness is the only way

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I'm friends with and am writing for a guy who's got mad connections to game journos on IGN and Kotaku. Gimme an idea what I should ask him about in light of all this regarding Five Guys, I gotta do something better than play MGR.

>>258627738
And now this shit backfiring and might cause people to tell people like Anita to fuck off.

Keyword is might. But shit, this whole scandal is fucking gold.

>>258627738
The problem was, there really was nothing to "tackle" with her at first. The not using her money thing came after she got big.
Quinn? The shit has hit the fan for her NOW. We're not giving her 'publicity', we're fanning flames.

>>258625346
Me too

>>258627586
>Ban Reasons
Nothing

At least 4chan will give some bullshit excuse whenever you get banned

>>258627175
>they'll see this
How? These normalfags aren't going to Kotaku any time soon.

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>>258627586
>Ban Reason:

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>>258626867
>nah, thunderf00t is just as bad as theamazingatheist.

>>258627450
While I do think this will set women back in game making in general, like that whole Adria Richard thing set women back in tech, mind you, those are the words or women in the buisness, this does bring to light to the common folks that Gaming Journalism is fucked beyond repair.

>>258627809
So we sit and do nothing? Cowering from the possible consequences?

No. Fuck that. Fuck complacence. I refuse to let these fucking cunts ruin my hobby without me objecting to it.

>>258627571
I think this fits a little better.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGf2b1H91JAa

>>258627734
Because they're deleting all threads about this for no reason. Check the Bans page. On an average day, it's all shitposts, maybe a CP or pony ban. Today, all about this.

>>258627738

Oh, please. If we hadn't done it then she simply would have done it herself, made some posts ANYWHERE and then claimed the same thing.

Besides, in this case, it's the exact opposite: we wanted to keep Anita OUT of the limelight, and failed spectacularly, admittedly. But we actually WANT this thing blown open. Making a huge mess over this is exactly what needs to be done.

So long as you guys aren't complete ASSHOLES about how you handle making this public, it can only help.

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>there will never be an imageboard ACTUALLY dedicated to the movie Hocus Pocus

>>258627071
>>258627352
>>258627571
>>258627787
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Rtz8jY0e0I

it's over
now it's over

>>258627738
That's not how it works, bucko.

Quinn is being elevated to royalty status BEHIND THE SCENES.

You do not control what is popular, who is in charge, and how the game is played.

Phil Fish is a part of this inner circle. Zoe Quinn is part of this inner circle. Kotaku is part of this inner circle. THEY CONTROL IT.

>>258627939
>I refuse to let these fucking cunts ruin my hobby without me objecting to it
Yeah, you show them anon. You complain about it HARD (anonymously) on this video game section of an anime imageboard.

>>258627586
toppest fuckin kek

>>258627531
Unfortunately, the only way to do that is to get this kind of scandal in actual media outlets that normalfags read, so that they can be universally condemned. Or everyone can stop going to their websites and reading/clicking their articles. Both seem unlikely.

>>258627668
>goddamn solar roadways.
That was fucking hilarious, he really sperged out over those.

>>258627809
Your right we can't do anything but if we can get the information into credible hands
if we can find someone who gives a shit about video games and integrity we can make something happen

>>258626470
The problem with this is that you are advertising all this SJW bullshit all over /v/. Now the problem with that is that /v/ is the second biggest board on 4chan, and as such, there are plenty of people here with a Facebook, Twitter, Tumblr, Reddit account, browse /b/, etc. There are a ton of fucktards on here, don't believe for a second that 4chan is a place for quiet, socially awkward geniuses who know what to do. There are tons of actual idiots here, and they are the ones who will do what you are not. They are the ones that draw all the attention of other SJWs and strengthen their movement.

I thought SJWs were just baseless feminists until I saw some of the posts against them say stuff like "I'm going to hunt you down and rape you, you piece of shit woman". These are the idiots I am talking about, and they speak the loudest, and advertising this stuff to them only makes things worse.

So no, the people against the advertisement of all this SJW bullshit that has been plaguing /v/ for the past few years are not SJWs themselves, they're scared of the long term consequences. I've seen more SJW threads in the past couple years than I ever saw before in my life, and my experiences browsing /v/ have gotten even worse as a result. It's like those faggots who derail legitimate Fire Emblem threads with Awakening hate, not realizing that they are as big a problem.

>>258627658
Personally, I am not getting to angry about it. The games journalism industry had no credibility to begin with, we all knew they were taking bribes for certain games in one way or another.

If I were a Woman, however, I would be furious. A lot of women have tried so hard to be taken seriously in the games industry, and this woman goes and fucks it all up for all women. Now you have to wonder, have any other women devs stooped to these lows?

>>258627908
it'll go to the lowest pits of reddit and such.

We have to spread awarness or we are losing

>>258627734
They're actions can be construed as people in power sympathetic to Zoe Quinn and deleting anything negative about her. That's all it takes. If they don't want to be construed as SJWs they should just let one thread be up at any given time, delete the clone threads.

>>258627504
Someone who reads a book is a reader. Should someone who plays a game be a player?