Are there any games that convey well the true vastness of space?
>tfw going fast in space engine and suddenly hitting those devoid, creepy looking parts of the galaxy
It was initially quite comfy to explore the milky way and such in SE, but once I started going beyond I would quite regularly get hit by intense feelings of pure dread when looking into the vast endlessness of space.
>play EVE online
>Everyone tells me nulsec gets you killed
>Get killed 15 times in lowsec
>Finally managed to break past them into low sec
>trying to get back to hi-sec is certain death
>Just keep jumping around in lowsec
>There is nothing
>15 jumps without encountering anyone, even a bot.
>I was in more danger in hisec than I was in nulsec
I've seen the vastness of space and despaired.
>Various alternative explanations exist, including a so-called Eridanus Supervoid or Great Void. This would be an extremely large region of the universe, roughly 150 to 300 Mpc or 500 million to one billion light-years across
Fucking voids man. I get depressed every time I think about them.
>No space voyage games
>No dealing with repairs on your ship, maneuvers through asteroid fields.
>No AI who's personality changes with every playthrough.
>Managing power consumption
I just really want a first person game that plays out like the journey to Jupiter in 2001: Space Odyssey. Those lonesome stories about traveling through the vast emptiness of space make me feel some very special feels.
>fly so far out that the lights from galaxies disappear completely
>/v/ loves space engine
>hates no man's sky when it's litterally the same thing but better
can somebody explain this please
Some people have a hard time understanding that procedural isn't random and they believe the only thing that will change is colours.
Also Space Engine is an tech demo, so it's nice. But No Man's Sky is a game and they haven't shown much from gameplay yet so it does seem empty as a game.
I enjoy space engine a ton, and i'm pretty hyped for no man's sky, yet all I see is the former getting praised and the latter being shit on even though the latter is the same thing but with with a higher level of detail and interactivity
Get a telescope, go outside and stare into the abyss.
I thought Mass Effect 1 gave it a really good attempt
One of the best feelings for me has been to count the colour bands in Jupiter. 10/10 would do again
You're living right on it! [/spoiler[
Man, why does space have to be so fucking vast, anyway? All it does is make trips to Alpha Centauri inconveniently long and make Science fags brag about how INCOMPREHENSIBLY LOVECRAFTIAN everything is. Yeah, we get it, you can come up with flowery beat poetry to describe shit, doesn't make you smart.
Just a fucking hour ago I got the intense desire to reinstall freelancer so I can just glide along through the peace and majesty of space.
Then I see this thread and I can't help but agree with >>258421793 . Space has two very distinct sides. There's the beauty of Astronomy, Astrophotography, the Humanity Fuck Yeah aspect and all that... then there's shit like Black Holes and the yawning abyss.
Then there's shit that walks the fine line between both, like these:
Now I'm... kindof not so eager to play Freelancer tonight..
>tfw severe astrophobia
It's literally impossible for me to play Space Engine at night in full sceen. And yes, I used literally correctly. My body can't handle looking at the screen so I can't play it.
This shit genuinely gave me goosebumps and I scrolled down in a panic just to not see the all-encompassing darkness.
>I didn't scroll fast enough, much like how you can't escape a black hole.
here I found it I prefer this one more to the other one as it is full of URHYERHUGRHUSUHRDGDG
All this reminds me of how much of a fucking disappointment Spore was.
>there will never be a game that lets you travel the galaxy in search for random planets for life on the first ship out of our solar system that can jump between systems
There's a pirate system full of radiation, asteroids, mines, and max level pirates fighting corsairs. At the center is a neutron star.
If you go explore near the collapsed warp gates in Texas, you'll not feel so well when those tiny black blobs grow with your approach to cover the whole screen.
One of the secret alien systems is set inside a tubular gas cloud. You can point towards the star and keep flying towards it for a very long time, until you actually leave the gas cloud.
I'm hype for No Mans Sky and Space Engine is one of my favourite games. It's also one of the prettiest looking games, and I think No Mans Sky is too.
I can see myself spending many more hours on both.
Haven't fucked around in Spess Engine in ages. Thanks for reminding me, OP.
I'm assuming you're downloading from the homepage? IIRC there was a link there to a torrent, that should be times faster than a direct link.
>penetrating space-chan at the speed of light
Yes i am the one that is currently mad.
>Space Engine thread
>Devolves into existential crisis/black holes are scarrrry/I am an astrophysicist ask me anything thread
>Space Engine dev has delivered on everything so far that he has promised if people donate
>If people donate enough he will make it a full game
I need to start throwing money at this project.
Every played spawns on THEIR OWN planet where they can put their nametag of exploration on all the "randomly generated" hairstyles that creatures have, after that they can visit other players planets the end
Is anyone playing Star Citizen?
How is it?
It's literally less than a second in google, for fucks sake.
Apparently the OSIRIS is the imaging equipment on-board, but Rosetta is the craft the ESA sent to comet 67P/Churyumov-Gerasimenko. It's special because we've never really-technically-properly gotten pictures of a comet up so close. In a few months the probe is set to land on the comet's surface.
The gravity is so low that the craft needs clamps to hook itself into the rock so the concussive force doesn't bounce it back into escape velocity (about 1.5 feet per second).
A human being sat down in his office and plotted this course.
>It's a pre-pre-alpha you cocksucking mongoloid childfuckers. PRE-PRE-ALPHA THAT MEANS NO JUDGING YOU PIECES OF BIG PUBLISHERS' DINGLEBERRIES! ~i still believe in chris roberts~~
Must be a shitposter from /v/ trollin'
Fair enough, since a tech demo would just try and focus on the features of the actual engine and it's capabilities, whereas Space Engine just simulates the actual universe and shows an accurate depiction of it.
It's about angles for the photographs.
If you mean that it's not a clean orbital motion, the comet's gravity isn't strong enough to sustain much of an orbit at that distance (or it would just be really, really slow).
>you will never go to one of Jupiter's moons and observe the planet from a distance
I dont think we can even begin to imagine just how massive that planet is, which makes the fact that there are alot of other shit out there thousands of times bigger even more impressive
here's a shot from further out
Still have nightmares. Fuck this fucking system and it's nothing.
Freelancer was a amazing game. If Star Citizen even recreates a fraction of it, it will be glorious.
what are some good SPESS MUHRINE games that actually take place in space and not some planet??
BECAUSE THERE'S NOTHING TO FUCKING DO IN IT
How is that game anyway? I briefly tried it before getting overwhelmed by it's sheer scale. But i plan on trying to get into it again soon.
I've heard people calling Dwarf Fortress X4
Many have tried, none succeeded
Yes. There's a campaign/story mode that makes you follow a path with restricted freedom, but there's mods that makes it 100% sandbox so that you can work with any faction and group instead of when the story makes you do it.
But the story is pretty nice. And the game is full of interesting lore and tidbits.
In a way, i guess you can say it's EVE lite, but with more arcady feel than EVE (which is mostly played with macros and orders instead of literally flying your shit).
There's also the Freelancer Discover Mod, which turns the game into an MMO of sorts.
>mfw yesterday I learned that a neutron star surface is made up of iron
That's pretty much exactly what it is. It's fantastic once you learn how to play.
Treat it like a roguelike. Fuck up, learn from your mistakes, then apply that knowledge to the next game.
If you do that and use this pastebin
http://pastebin.com/CnHV9StFyou'll learn it in no time.
has anyone here played Tachyon: The Fringe
very nice game with nice atmosphere and all, plus Bruce Campbell did the voice of the protag
Basically. It's not for everyone, but it's a lot of fun for those who want to learn it.
I tried playing it, but it hurt my eyes. I'm glad it exists though, it's the almost perfect alternative to Aurora for people who aren't autistic enough for it.
It's weird though, I'm autistic enough for Dwarf Fortress, and a ton of other REALLY autistic games.
The number one turn off for me about Auroroa, though, was that nothing seemed to work first try. It took me forever to actually figure out what stupid sequence I was supposed to do to make something happen.
Maybe I should try to get into it again.
see that bright dot on the right?
you can go there seamlessly
Have you played Crystal Pixels?
It might not be a good example of the vastness of space, but it gives a good sense of the loneliness.
Yeah, you'll be doing a lot of sequences to get things done, but once you've got them down you won't even have to think about it.
>research reactors to unlock research for engines
>research engines to make that component available for design
>combine components to create a functioning engine
>make prototype of engine
>add engine to a ship, alongside a bunch of other parts you'll need to research and design
If anyone wants to quickly sate space exploration needs, there's always Outer Wilds, a small free game some guys made for their thesis on something.
It's pretty fun. Was flavor of the week on /v/ half a year or so back, though it's been out for years.
Sometimes I'm afraid of the fact that our entire existence can be wiped out in seconds by an event far beyond our understanding.
Then I remember our planet is already 4,5 billion years old and something like that happening during my lifetime is like guessing a number between 1 and 1000000 correctly several times in a row.
I somehow can't take KSP seriously.
I've quite a few times beforehand and I still don't understand what the hell's happening there.
>Kindness (kindity) on /v/
>only in non-vidya thread
We'll never know until some poor xenos bastard is unlucky enough to find out.
This is my only problem with KSP it could be so great but fucking Squad is and has stated they will continue to cater to casuals, luckily there are mods that fix this but I'm worried it will get harder for the mod makers to maintain them as Squad keeps adding dumbed down features that don't play nice with mods.
It's quite fun, even though its cartoony. Mods make it amazing. Dont play vanilla though, the devs are fucking jews and have pretty much made it their mission to casualize the game while adding as little content as possible.
>I've quite a few times beforehand and I still don't understand what the hell's happening there.
The player is climbing out of the Nomad right as it starts to pass through the Dark Bramble. It happens right before the sun explodes, and as far as I know, is just a cool coincidence in their orbits. The player dies because they get smashed through the brambles.
Aurora. Distant Worlds looks quite different.
It's not made in Visual Basic for one.
some time ago the explorers entered our solar system, with them they brought artifacts. These pods landed in the middle of our planets/rocks and created weird anomalies which resulted in, the bramble and the others. We just discovered a way to fly around in space and you're one of the lucky ones go out there and find out about the mysteries and what the fuck they were doing in our system.
That's probably because you're a pleb who doesnt read astronomy journals. It's not that there's been a lack of process, its more like we're at a point of diminishing returns with the tech that we have
I remember there is a weird planet with giant spikes everywhere. I took a flight to there, when I tried to land some giant black creature ate me.
I stop playing that game since then.
You can grab it here
Did you not hear the news about the discovery of gravity waves?
Gamma. Ray. Bursts. On the death of a very large star the energy released is so incredibly, unbelievably massive, that it outshines the rest of the galaxy on its explosion. At the poles a firestorm of gamma rays shoot out at near he speed of light roasting anything in its way. If either one were to ever hit Earth it would one shot our atmosphere, effectively killing everything on Earth. And we'd have zero warning that it was coming. There would be nothing we could do or no way we could possibly react.
For several years we thought WR-104 was pointed directly at us and would eventually kill us. Only recently did we discover that its aim was only just off.
>I'm excited for the final release.
what are those 2 orange spot things on the end of your probe m8? look like neat little radiators
I was once inside the Nomad just kind of floating around, not realizing that it was about to slingshot right around the sun, and suddenly I just started getting flung violently around and died. That game is just full of unexpected experiences, it's fantastic fun.
>can I just
I would highly advise against wasting money on it so yes. It's in theory a good game, the devs just dont deserve the money.
You can just dive in for mods but a few good ones are B9 Aerospace, KW Rocketry, Kethane, and Kerbal Attachment System. That gives a good balance of realistic parts and enhanced gameplay without a whole bunch of complicated additional gimmicks.
Things like this depress me. It proves that there's no place for life in the universe. And even if there were it would only be temporary as everything will eventually die out. Not even a cycle of rebirth, nothing. I find it hard to accept that everything is doomed to be an endless, empty void.
Hey, what do you know! I was completely wrong and it wasn't dead!
>It’s been a while since we last broke radio silence, so we just wanted to confirm that development on Outer Wilds is still underway!
>April 8, 2014
>tfw there will be a time when all the stars have burned out, the black holes have evaporated, and there will be no usable energy left for intelligent life to exist.
Basically Gamma Ray Bursts are like celestial rifles that burn down whatever it happens to be aiming at. But the beams are narrow and the likelihood of being hit by either one is staggeringly low since space is huge. We were just really unnerved by WR-104 because it was pointed in our general direction. But after years of watching it we learned that it was going to miss us and it's death won't mean the apocalypse for Earth.
Daily reminder that Jupiter is best planet.
Uranus fags get fucked.
>tfw your planet night sky will NEVER EVER have such a view of another galaxy.
They added 5m NASA parts for one, which are babby mode overpowered. They've also talked of a mechjeb like autopilot. Really its not so much adding casual features, its mostly just the fact that they're neglecting good features in favor of ones that the casuals want. Resources and mining were a long time request by the original community, but instead it was shitcanned in favor of multiplayer that nobody asked for and was considered impossible by the devs themselves for many years.
Essentially what happened to Minecraft
There will also be a point when then universe collapses and reforms, a "second" big bang, although it is most likely an eternal cycle.
I'm gonna be optimistic and hope for the chance to reroll, there's too much content for just one playthrough.
>There will also be a point when then universe collapses and reforms, a "second" big bang, although it is most likely an eternal cycle.
Not if Dark Energy has anything to say about it. And where we stand right now Dark Energy has a lot to say.
There aren't even enough resources left on Earth to both last us until we can manage decent space travel AND support real proliferation beyond Earth. That's not even taking into account the immediate threat of drastic climate change within the next couple of centuries and whatever other things might pop up that will just make it even harder.
Earth is a terminal planet.
I believe in some theory about time and information being a cycle i've read once. I don't remember much about it, but it seemed pretty reasonable enough for a theory.
Though that would mean we'd have to live as virgin neets for all ethernity, cycle after cycle.
>I've decided that there must be other universes out there we can escape to when the time comes.
if you're going to make shit up, you might as well just believe in an afterlife like everyone else.
I went full retard indeed.
Why is extraterrestrial geography so cool?
Meh, humanity will most likely murder itself and render it's technological progress null and void long before we get to understand shit.
I mean, military spending dwarfs astronomy and related fields by huge, and everyone thinks this is completely acceptable and reasonable.
If you're thinking of the Big Crunch Theory
>Eventually the mutual gravity from all things in the universe will cause universal expansion to slow, stop, and then reverse to whatever it was that made the big bang
then you're out of luck because of dark energy
>far away galaxies are not slowing down but instead everything is speeding up away from us. There's some unknown energy source driving the universe apart. And if that doesn't change then eventually we're going to hit a point where stellar formation will be impossible and gravity will succumb to Dark Energy, creating eternal dark and nothingness
To put it in videogame terms:
The present = The Age of Fire
The future = The Age of Dark
>But consciousness is nothing more than a complex system of chemical reactions and electrical impulses. When you die that just ceases to happen.
no shit, but if you've "decided there are other universes we can escape to" then you might as well just save a step and decide your immortal soul goes to funland when you die. neither is going to happen, as far as we know.
>like everyone else
turn of phrase, anon.
>mfw 96% percent of the energy in the universe is all around us, and has only ever been observed by its gravitational effect in distant galaxies
>we do not have a single clue what the fuck it even is
We still don't have a clear picture of dark energy yet. Hell, we don't have a half decent picture of what "time" really is either. I'd say it's too early to write off one or accept the other just yet.
the unfathomable void of space I'm ok with, but I can't handle unfathomably huge objects
OFFICIAL PLANET RATINGS
>Has life and a bagillion different climates and wonders tier
>Guardian of the solar system tier
>Has potential tier
>Boring dead rock not even worth being strip mined tier
>tfw the luminescence of the sun is steadily increasing and 800-900 million years from now, it will get so hot that Earth's seas will boil and Earth will gradually resemble Venus.
That being said there is "something" that's pushing everything away from us. That's probably not going to change.
>tfw the Milky Way is that awkward kid who smells and no one wants to be near him
Will Andromeda-kun accept us?
Dark Energy and Dark Matter are just placeholder words. We don't know much of anything about either of them, other than that the shit is everywhere and we can't see it except by its gravitational influence.
What about the unfathomably large void on our very Earth?
Most of the ocean is actually empty of life aside from some scarce algae, particularly the gyres, but it is VAST, and when you're submerged in the middle of it far away from everything, it's dark, you can't see anything, you don't even know HOW FAR you're seeing, there's nothing around you but you can't stop feeling like something's just out of sight or behind you or beneath you, and instead of floating in nothing you feel yourself completely submerged in this viscous liquid that restricts your movement and ability to move quickly while everything else living in it can move and attack with ease.
>Space Engine still doesnt have cockpits to simulate a lonely space explorer
you can't prove its wrong anymore than you can prove it right
Well it is considered a candidate for Dark Matter but where we stand we still have no idea what the fuck Dark Matter even is aside for the fact that the shit is everywhere and we can't see, touch, or interact with it.
Ummm, I believe it is. You see it orbits the sun and also has a smaller moon orbiting it. Definition of a planet. Just because it's a little small doesn't mean its not. Earth is smaller relative to Jupiter and Saturn, Mars is smaller relative to Earth, doesn't mean they're not planets. glad I could educate you on that friend.
I liked those space mods for Gary's mod that was all the rage some years back. With zero gravity, oxygen/energy/etc and different planet maps with different biomes.
Shame building a big ship in Gmod is like trying to build a pyramide with marbles.
>Implying you don't ship Pluto with the Moon
They're the true OTP
Basically, yeah. There's only so much you can say about dark matter, since we know so little. There's a lot of shit you can speculate about, though! What if the extra gravity we're observing is actually leaking through from another universe?
Maybe it exists on another demension, or is perhaps a manifestation of the "strings" in String Theory.
Or maybe our entire understanding of the universe is just fundamentally incorrect. We just don't know.
Well there are only 4 terrestial planets and of those 4 only one of them has oceans. The rest of them are just fuck huge balls of gas with no definable surface. Are you thinking of methane atmosphere?
Jesus Christ, I have nightmares where the moon is just getting closer and closer as the day goes by. I'm freaking out, but everyone else is fine.
And I've never even played Majora's Mask. It's just like a fear of an asteroid on megaroids for me.
I'm not sure anymore, to be honest. Might be atmosphere i was thinking about. But for some reason i seem to recall reading some interesting shit about Neptune or one of the planets having oceans based on methane.
Granted, not as in "typical" ocean we have on earth, but something akin to it.
>Let's go to Mars
As much as we'd like to go explore and/ or terraform Mars there's a list of reasons why we can't do that. Mostly because it would take such an unbelievably incredible amount of resources just to get there without even considering how the explorers are going to get back. We would have to completely rethink of how we spend our budget and trust me it would take a world effort to pull off. But even if we did do it, the travelers would have to be psychologically prepared to be completely separated, not just from human life which is already an incredible hurdle, but from the Earth itself for at least a year and totally cut off form assistance if they needed it.
Sometimes when I'm lying in bed at night I close my eyes and imagine what it would be like to get teleported to a random point in space, like a hostile alien planet or near a sun. Then I stop because it's horrifying.
i think he means the "time is a flat circle" thing from true detective.
well, it's not actually from true detective, it's from nietzche:
>What, if some day or night a demon were to steal after you into your loneliest loneliness and say to you: 'This life as you now live it and have lived it, you will have to live once more and innumerable times more' ... Would you not throw yourself down and gnash your teeth and curse the demon who spoke thus? Or have you once experienced a tremendous moment when you would have answered him: 'You are a god and never have I heard anything more divine.'
the basic idea being that you live your own life an infinite number of times, exactly the same each time. is that a horrifying idea, or comforting?
anyway, i don't think there's any real science behind it.
Because they grew up with the notion/education that it is one.
It's like being told you're wrong about something you've believed all your life. People just refuse to accept it.
It would be one hell of an orbital mechanics problem, but I've heard we could set a bunch of asteroids in highly elliptical orbits around the Earth to slowly pull it to a safe distance away from the sun over several hundred million years
it's bigger than your average comet but if you put it next to oh say, Jupiter well... if you want to fit the entirety of Jupiter in the picture, Pluto would be a dot, thats my problem here, this picture implies pluto is anywhere near as big as even mercury
Here's the basic story of Pluto:
Once upon a time we thought there was only 8 celestial bodies orbiting the Sun and that aside for asteroids, everything was a planet. So when we found Pluto we just assumed it was a planet and that's just how it was. But Pluto out of the gate we weird. It's orbit was weird, it's size was weird. Then one day we started finding other things of similar size to Pluto. So is that a planet too? Then we found other things even bigger than Pluto. So is that a planet too? Are all these thousands of things floating past Uranus and Neptune planets? So in 2006 everyone sat down to define exactly what it means to be a planet. And when the discussion was over it was decided that Pluto was not big enough to be a planet. But there are people who spent their entire lives believing Pluto to be a planet so it pissed them off.
I don't get why this freaks people out. There's something romantic about the size of the universe. Imagine setting foot on a desolate planet in an uncharted region of space. You look up to the sea of lights with the host star lingering on the horizon. You're hit by the realization that you don't even know which direction the Milky Way is.
well if your in the milkyway or at least closeish to it, all you need is a clear nightsky with no light pollution and you can straight up see it, during some blackout in america this freaked people the fuck out in the big cities, they weren't used to seeing the rest of the galaxy up there.
Entropy doesn't mean it "goes away." It means it's no longer usable. It can't be used to create stars. If you don't have stars you don't have galaxies. You don't have planets. You don't have life. When the last star burns out the universe will be dead.
Hypothetical question for you guys.
If you were offered, through some miracle of science or magic or however you want to justify it, the cognitive ability to truly comprehend the size of the universe, and the true nature of life within.. would you?
Now, it comes with a warning: the knowledge you gain will destroy your humanity. You'll no longer be able to empathize with the life on a tiny planet in a tiny corner of a tiny galaxy. You'll understand truly the insignificance of our lives.
Do you accept?
nope, the deep ocean threads don't really get to me. I enjoy them, but they never instill dread.
but for some reason, massive, inanimate things do. maybe it has to do with the overwhelming perspective shift - like the moon in that video, moving at speeds you cannot possibly imagine, which never really occurs to you until it gets closer. it's all relative, and we're just sitting on this ball where stuff is comfortable for perception. but out there, there are rogue stars flying through the cosmos at incomprehensible speeds, neutron stars rotating hundreds of times a second, storms so large that they could engulf our planet. the forces working behind these things are so alien to our brains, but they're real and out there, right now.
Heat Death scares the fuck out of me
I can handle the extinction of mankind, the destruction of earth, etc. But the eventual nothingness of the entire universe just bums me the fuck out
fucking christ. this thing has tumbled across space for eons. its featureless voids have never known contact. imagine being in a crevice on the surface of this thing enduring a millenia without light. fuck.
Well the more shit you oversee the harder it is to micromanage. I mean really do you give a shit when you step on an ant on your way to work? Of course not. You have bigger things to worry about. When you start getting into positions like a military general, can you afford to give a shit and grieve whenever you hear that one of the soldiers in one of the several units you command die? You can't. You have to think about your army as a whole. Now scale that up to where you effectively have the knowledge of a god. Do you really think mundane things about finding your perfect waifu will matter anymore? You see on the literal, not figurative, literal scale of the universe where all life that has ever existed you now know of.
Of course not. I'm only on this planet for a tiny fraction of time. I'd rather party it up than lose what defines me as a human.
The only reason I'd accept your Faustian bargain is if it gave me knowledge that could help keep humanity from going extinct, such as knowledge about how to jumpstart human space travel
>but out there, there are rogue stars flying through the cosmos at incomprehensible speeds, neutron stars rotating hundreds of times a second, storms so large that they could engulf our planet
>Giant Black Hole Kicked Out of Home Galaxy
>Although the ejection of a supermassive black hole from a galaxy by recoil because more gravitational waves are being emitted in one direction than another is likely to be rare, it nevertheless could mean that there are many giant black holes roaming undetected out in the vast spaces between galaxies.
>"These black holes would be invisible to us," said co-author Laura Blecha, also of CfA, "because they have consumed all of the gas surrounding them after being thrown out of their home galaxy."