Why did people so badly want Sheik to be male anyway?
>trying to discuss the validity of Sheik being a man on /v/
I'll give you a list of good buzzwords you can use in any Sheik debate.
"identifying as a guy"
Enjoy having your buzzwords guaranteed to win any argument.
what about the Japanese Melee description saying Sheik is a man? What about Ruto in Eng OoT saying Sheik is a man? It may be true that Sheik is a girl in Hyrule warriors and in English melee and Brawl.
To add on to this, in the situation where Ruto refers to Shiek as a man(I'm not sure if this happens anywhere else), it's because Shiek LOOKS like a dude, because it's Zelda in disguise. Ruto certainly can't say with 100% certainty that Shiek is a dude, or hell, that Link is a dude because she's never seen their special places
But when Zelda flat out says "I'm Shiek", then you know for 100% certainty that Shiek is female
What about the descriptions of Samus being a man in the original Metroid manual?
Then those people would be retarded because that isn't even hinted anywhere
Every source says Shiek is a girl in every single one of her appearances, and will stay that way until Nintendo flat out says "Shiek has a dick"
It was just the simplest answer. If you're going to magically alter your body to the point your hair length, skin color, and eye color change instantly, why be half-assed about it? Isn't it simpler to say "she magically turned into a man" instead of "she magically changed everything about herself to appear like a man (including her voice because no one figures it out instantly), except the one thing that would actually make her a man." I imagine when they created Shiek they didn't really think about it, because it's such a simple thing and as a kid you don't really care about the implications. Then the kids grow up and become super autists and suddenly whether or not a fictional character has a vagina at any given time is vitally important information.
>including her voice because no one figures it out instantly
I didn't know it was Zelda, but I thought Sheik was a woman when I first played OoT and I suspect it was because of the voice.
Sheik's original model has fairly narrow hips and wide shoulders, which is enough for a lot of people to completely go for the post-op tranny theory.
Then again, Impa had a pretty similar build as well.
The only evidence you have to believe Sheik was a man or that Zelda specifically wanted to take on the appearance of a man was Ruto referring to her as a man. Otherwise, there's no reason to believe she wasn't just disguising herself as a different woman.
>all these assholes who keep arguing about Sheik's gender as if it matters
>can NEVER talk about Sheik ever again without some prick starting up the arguments again
>mfw this Sheikposting is the new pic may may
I hate all of you. This isn't funny, and it doesn't fucking matter. Shut the fuck up.
The important thing here is aesthetics. As far as we know, Ganondorf isn't going around tearing down the pants of everyobe he thinks might be zelda to check their genitals. Why would she magically rewrite her genetic makeup when cosmetic changes are more than enough?
NO. Ever since that tweet or whatever, it's become even more obnoxious than Baneposting.
You uppity niggas need to stop this shit because IT. DOES. NOT. MATTER. Sheik is Zelda whether she dresses as a dude or grows a dick. I don't fucking care either way, and I'm tired of people constantly arguing about this shit.
Shut the fuck up or I will fucking rape you.
I might, but I'm pretty sure that's what official Zelda artwork looks like.
I understand that it's a disguise, that's not the point.
>The only evidence you have to believe Sheik was a man or that Zelda specifically wanted to take on the appearance of a man
This is the point. Zelda was clearly disguised as a man and the artwork is unambiguous about that.
I think it started because in the Manga Impa turns Zelda into a Sheikah male using magic. It's implied it changed her gender as well. If it were just a costume change a spell wouldn't have been needed, either.
I'm not saying that she was a man, you're completely ignoring the important part. Let me make it as clear as possible for you
>The only evidence you have to believe that Zelda specifically wanted to take on the appearance of a man was Ruto referring to her as a man
>there's no reason to believe she wasn't just disguising herself as a different woman.
These statements are clearly not true.
Yeah, disguising as a man means she's a man.
>Impa had a pretty similar build
pretty much. broader hips, but still the wide shoulders.
The root problem is that transsexualism is a pretty rare mental disorder that some people want to socially normalize.
Therefore, any woman in a vidya dressing as a man to escape the god of evil incarnate MUST be an icon for "non-normative" shit.
If Zelda has the magic power to disguise herself as a man why doesn't she just change herself into a different creature entirely?
Plenty of other people in the Zelda series have turned into animals.
Because it's attention whoring taken to the extreme. They're not all getting involved in video games and computer science by coincidence. Those are the areas that give them the attention they're looking for.
Maybe not, but that doesn't mean it can't potentially exist. I think it would be pretty easy to draw a penis in a feminine way. Just give it some big eyelashes and a pink bow, for example.
They're no threat, but they are as mentally abnormal as a person who believes they are a dragon or a vampire trapped in a human body.
They need therapy, not surgical mutilation.
Trying too hard to appropriate preexisting figures into their framing is like "Otherkin" trying to claim Batman as one of their own.
Its so lame how the Sheikah are always extinct/1-2 left in a Zelda game. They're one of the coolest races in Hyrule.
>Japanese Melee description saying Sheik is a man? What about Ruto in Eng OoT
Listen here SJW cunt, Zelda is a girl. Shiek is Zelda. There you go. Shiek is a grill.
Also I thought it was a guy too the first time I saw Shiek, it can explain the same about Ruto referring to Shiek as a man, if it had happened.
You talkin shit about my waifu you bitch?
Thanks anon. This is just a prime example of people forcing their futa fetish on to everyone or their trap fetish.
Never fucking try to force your fetish on to other people kids.
You believe that? They are Ninjas. They always send out one of their clan to protect the princess. It's just one of the staples of history, like a hero wearing green, ect, ect.
>4chan posters calling people "mentally abnormal"
yeah, the scale bra doesn't make sense. It would cause a lot of problems considering she's a Zora.
If Sheik is a man, then explain this image just before she gets raped.
You ARE an attention whore though. How? Because you never shut the fuck up.
>I will post constantly and insult people so I will get lots of responses!"
It's attention whoring without the accountability. If 4chan weren't an anonymous site, you'd all start behaving yourselves for once.
>What about Ruto in Eng OoT saying Sheik is a man?
You mean a character could be mistaken? Holy god damn shit. Its not like Zelda was dressed like a man or anything. Its not like Ruto has NEVER met Zelda and has no reference to what she should look or sound like.
I never actually said I hate trannies, but if I come off emotionally charged it's because I have personal investments in both video games and software. Right now, trannies (and feminists) are trying to take advantage of both and, yeah, that gets to me.
>she uses magic to get buff and ninja like
>impossible to do so without getting a penis as well
Shiek's gender or Tifa's tits
Which is the cause of more shitposting nowadays?
Shiek. Shiek's gender hasn't been an issue for 16 years, why this irrelevant and already answered bullshit is cropping up now is beyond me.
Zelda is a chick. Shiek is Zelda. Zelda is Shiek. Shiek is a chick.
I lurked Sheik threads since day one and you niggas got trolled by the same dude so hard.
That's what you get for replying to shitposters and trying so hard to prove everyone wrong. You should just tell them to cry about it and go being bitch niggers somewhere else.
Fair question. Doesn't matter though, since they're both annoying as fuck.
This. If you stupid pieces of rotton cuntflakes insist on making these dumb threads every five minutes, at least post some art.
This Entire Thread:
Sheik is a cute reverse trap with muscles. I'm so into those.
Tiffa has some great big bazookas and I'm sooooo into those.
I like both girls...I LOVE WOMEN!
Now we need a giant amazoness to pamper Link.
By the way, the MC is a super manlet in this.
We need more tall girls in videogames.
That would still make Sheik a girl, just with the illusion of looking like a guy.
If I put my dick between my legs and attach on some fake tits, that still wouldn't make me a girl.
With trying to avoid SJW talk, she didn't identify a guy because of a gender crisis, so transgender bullshit doesn't apply here.
Don't forget Link gets all flustered when he helps Sheik and even comments on her weight and female figure.
To kill further arguments in the future just post this
This dude pretty much countered every male sheik argument the faggots had.
NOW POST MORE CUTE SHEIK.
Even IF so, if not explicitly written in-game OR in officially written sourcebooks (like, say, Hyrule Historia), then a manga is not canon.
Even the manga inside HH detailing the events prior to SS.
Get over it, furfag.
I hope this isn't too lewd for /v/
No they don't. Officially, sheik is just zelda in a change of clothes and with a magically altered complexion.
Not that there was ever any reason to think otherwise. She even sounds female in ocarina of time.
Binders are the best
>Okay, then go put on your mom's clothes and see if your dick falls off.
How can people be this stupid? I'm not even one of the guys claiming that Sheik was a man, but god damn.
I'm playing with fire here
People keep using the old design too, I don't see anyone using the new design from the 3DS game because the original OoT was the only argument they had and they got BTFO anyway. Like I said before, you niggas just got trolled by the same dude and took this out of proportion.
You should have just ignored since Bill confirmed Zelda's sex.
oh fuck no spoiler
I know what you mean
When the hell does link talk?
Thhis whole argument consists of political douchbags trying to further their arguement and the losers that hate them enough to undermine them by being right.
I really shouldn't reply to this bait.
>Proving them right by proving them wrong.
I think that's me done.
I'm disappointed with how little Sheik there is. Get it together fucking Japs.
More official concept art but you never see this shit getting posted because all male sheikfags ever do is post the same old OoT 64 image. The same one. Every. Single. Time.
>Even her voice is still feminine.
Because both Sheik (male) and Zelda (female) are voiced by the same Seiyuu because they are the same person.
Sheik should be considered a male because it's a disguise, a delicious reverse trap disguise.
It's like traps you know? You think they are females and then BAM a fucking dick in your face. I guess male sheikfags are just homos or girls who can't deal with that fact. Faggots in denial like someone who liked a trap for a long time without knowing he was a dude all along.
>Sheik should be considered a male because it's a disguise, a delicious reverse trap disguise.
"Sheik" should be considered female because Sheik is zelda who is female.
>It's like traps you know?
Traps are not actually girls just because they dress like girls and can convince people that they are due to ostensible looks.
So Zelda has the magic to grow a dick?
Huh, then why not use magic to turn into a giant and throw Ganon into the sun? Or transform Link into the Hulk to smash and tear Ganon into bits?
Heterochomia is fucking stupid and a lame attempt to make generic anime designs stand out
Also you missed the point of the image, which was to be partway through the transformation
Jesus fuck, you are so defensive you even try to prove wrong people who agree with you...
Sheik as a disguise is a male, like it or not, faggot. She has female bits and is Zelda in disguise but that doesn't make Sheik any less male.
Sheik is literally Zelda pretending to be a man.
Well I like it. It's cute and cats with heterochromia are cute.
To be fair, the "identity" of Sheik IS meant to be male, as that was the point of the disguise, that Zelda was masquerading as a boy. But anyone who tries to take it further by saying she literally became a boy is retarded. Sheik may be meant to come off as a dude to ruse the characters in the game and some first time players, but that's all. Zelda was still a girl with tits and a cooch at all times
>To be fair, the "identity" of Sheik IS meant to be male, as that was the point of the disguise, that Zelda was masquerading as a boy.
There's really no reason to believe she was supposed to be male.
It's likely that the disguise was magically enabled/disabled since "because, it's fantasy". Odds are, if the game were being more realistic/risqué, they'd have her just strip off the outfit at some point.
But tards being tards had to go "well if the costume is magically summoned, she also summoned a dick because bulge"
I think the whole male Sheik thing stems from fangirls' frustration over the unusual lack of attractive young male characters in OoT other than Link. Basically, if it had at least one more pretty boy with a major role there would have been less clinging to the idea of male Sheik.
Except for what I said, that she was trying to ruse those who would capture her. It's even fucking stated by the official game materials you shitlord. Sheik was meant to be seen as a male disguise. BUT, this doesn't mean Zelda actually became a dude. The only reason Nintendo is now saying Sheik is female is to clear it up better for the retards who think Zelda was in fact changing into a guy with a cock and balls
I think that's just mid-transformation
That's the point you dingus and even then she has a faint hourglass figure. Also Sheik has a very feminine face and very thing eyebrows.
Yeah Zelda is a woman, making Sheik a woman but Sheik is Zelda pretending to be a man thus making Sheik a man unless you knew she was Zelda in disguise.
Look, literally the only 3 people who know Sheik is a woman are Link, Impa and Zelda herself, everyone else who has seen Sheik (Who are not many since she's a super ninja and all) think she's a man. Sheik is a male persona that's the whole point you dense idiot. It's a disguise to make people believe Zelda is a dude to even further reduce the probability of Ganon finding her!
>sheik revealed to be female
>10,000 posts saying BTFO on /v/
>butthurt faggot autists and fangirls still insist she is male
>a week passes by and everyone is saying "no one ever thought that anon"
what the fuck is going on?
It doesn't really make a difference, she still has heterochromia in that image and it has the heterochromia tag. I know neither Zelda or Sheik has heterochromia but it's still pretty moe in that image.
Denial. Even when the official source says this or that, faggots have to whine and cry because of "but muh headcannon!"
I mean, I can get being upset if the Sheik "persona" is no longer allowed to be thought of as male. But it's not that, it's finally putting the baseless theory that Zelda was physically changing into a dude because she literally has no such power to do so.
>Still agreeing with you saying Sheik is a male
>Not even once mentioned magic in my post
>Still butthurt because Sheik is Zelda successfully pretending to be a man fooling everyone making Sheik a man.
I see how this is it. I thought only male sheikfags were the ones trolling but apparently there's also female sheik reverse trolls...
If you mean people are denying wanting Sheik to physically be male, I don't know. But no one is denying that the "persona" of Sheik was meant to be a dude, as that was the point of Zelda's disguise, to pretend to be a guy
This, the whole point is making everyone believe Sheik is male despite being female.
Oh, sorry man, I'm really sleep deprived and that other dude was being really dense and defensive about it. I think he's just insecure about liking Sheik would make him a faggot or something.
Crotch sniffing magic, who the hell came up with that one?
>Crotch sniffing magic, who the hell came up with that one
Denial faggots who couldn't think of a better argument when told that the Sheik disguise was just magic that changed Zelda's skin and added tit bindings.
"Nope, then Ganon would just notice she doesn't have a dick." because apparently Ganon instated a national "Penis inspection day"
This. If Nintendo had originally intended for Sheik to be a man way back at the start, they'd have said it somewhere by now. Hell, even in the recent article that finally proved Zelda was still herself while in disguise
Except nothing in Melee or Brawl indicated Sheik was originally a man. And I doubt some nobody who didn't work on the original game would know jack shit about what the creators had intended.
Nice try. But until you can produce proof that Sheik was a guy and not just a "male persona" but got changed into a woman, I'll be waiting with a knowing smile of triumph on my face.
>One of the other main reasons some people, notice i said SOME. Think and want Sheik to be a male, is just to draw their Yaoi fan art (boy's love fan art) of Sheik and Link doing dirty stuff to each other. Which is fine its their preference if they like that sort of thing. But this is one of the reasons as well some dislike the fact that Sheik is Zelda. They just simply don't want Sheik to be Zelda. Some because they have a crush on Sheik and think Sheik is hot and the moment the realized she was Zelda is a big NO for them.
I find it hilarious that "Sheik is male" art invariably depicts Sheik as being highly effeminate.
I personally thought Sheik to be male because it seemed like a good way (in the context of the game) for Zelda to completely alter her bodily appearance to evade Ganondorf's suspicions.
But it really doesn't matter to me either way.
It's just a game.
If people make fanart of male Sheik it's their choice and they are entitled to it. Don't forget the little loli EMPRAH "that's heresy onii-chan" image gets posted fairly often and WH4k fags don't get angry.
In the end fanart does not influence canon.
How come nobody ever suggests that Ganondorf is a girl?
>big girly earrings and jewelry
>frilly crown-hair thing
OMG Ganondorf has been a woman with a penis all along. The game features him being misgendered as "King of Evil", what oppression.
Actually Ganon is more likely to be a girl than
>Being part of a tribe that can only birth women
>Suddenly a "boy"
I'm not buying that shit man, Ganondorf is very masculine female Gerudo and that's a shame because Gerudos are 100% sex in their most pure form.
>You will never get gang raped by gerudo.
True but to be fair, girls are really into Link, not gay Link. They want his shota ass too. Females are just as sick as us, mane, they just rather suck a small boy's dick instead of wrecking loli cunny.
You know, even if sheik was indeed a male it wouldn't make a difference in the porn as he shows no romantic interest in Link whatsoever. Trying to prove Sheik was biologically a man was very silly and mostly trolling.
no, she could have used magic to change her body, make it more toned, more tanned, changed her eye color, her hair color, stuff like that
why not grow a dick with magic, too?
the models for teh characters are totally different, they can't be the same person unless she's transforming herself into someone else.
Just to completely kill this argument, we have confirmation from Aonuma, Shiggy, Bill and this dude that Sheik is, in fact, a female.
However, in Eiji Aonuma's interview by Kotaku in november 2009 before Spirit Tracks got released, he does mention Sheik and look what he actually said:
"We recently received information from a survey conducted in the US that indicated that, among our female characters, users had a preference for those that were more on the independent side, such as Sheik and Tetra." Eijin Aonuma himself called Sheik a female.
Also Hyrule historia.
The non-fujoshis thought it was more magical and also showed just how much Zelda cared about ensuring the safety of the world. It also made it that much more devastating when Ganon revealed he had an easy way to eventually find Zelda anyway.
The fujoshis are just degenerates.
>why not grow a dick with magic, too?
Because she doesn't need to. You saw that she concealed her face - the reason being that she couldn't easily make herself not look like Zelda.
The models are different because they wanted to throw you, the player, off. The in-universe truth is that it was Zelda in some clothes and wearing magical make-up to change her complexion.
Actually her complexion is probably and most likely the same, remember the N64 couldn't handle graphix very well and people just keep using old concept art.
Try to compare 3DS Sheik with 3DS Zelda and don't forget warrior clothes =! formal dress.
Of course she looks more feminine and delicate when she's wearing a long dress and pink instead of blue and having red angry eyes.
>Why did people so badly want Sheik to be male anyway?
It's not about wanting, it's about exposing the truth.
Zelda used magic to transform into a man. That made her competent enough to do shit while hiding. A minute after she transformed back she was kidnapped.
>changed eye color
are taking the easy route to avoid hassle
>b-but muh headcanon
the truth and facts have been exposed, you can pretend she didn't transform into a man, after all, this is just fiction
>b-but lots of people belive Sheik is female!
because they're insecure and still have the 20th century (and older) mind of limiting yourself because religion
>because they're insecure and still have the 20th century (and older) mind of limiting yourself because religion
What the fuck is this nigger talking about?
This is exactly what I said by "you idiots get trolled too easily"
Before you say "Merely pretending" no, I'm not that faggot but it's obvious he's trolling and yet you all replied.
Alright, this should be /v/'s Baneposting. Just make Sheik be everyone and everything in OoT but Zelda.
Sheik was in fact Ganondorf's evil twin brother.
>No one but Gerudo are brown in the Zeldaverse
>Obviously not a woman
>Proficient in magic and ninja skills like Gerudo women
>Only 1 man every 100 years can be born into the Gerudo tribe.
We don't know much about Ganon's backstory or relatives, it's obvious Sheik is Ganondorf twin brother. He is actually the king of the Gerudo but Ganondorf usurped his throne and that's why sheik helps link.