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What

Went

Wrong
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uhhm....... nothing?
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>>256872486
The controller
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The Wii came out.
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nothing, the PS2 just happened
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couldn't compete with the Xbawks and the PS2 so they turned to the casual demographic
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>>256872486
Retarded storage
Little hype
The PS2 Abbadon-level of consuming all around it
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Besides a lackluster library, weak hardware and poor support, I don't see anything wrong with it
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>>256872641
>tfw you have 2 DCs
>none of them work
I think I might throw them, since they're just paperweights by now
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>>256872735
It had dramatically better hardware than PS2, which won
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>>256872991
DC emulators are fine anyway, no need for the real thing anymore (even more so if it's broken)

stop hoarding
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>>256872720

It's also the same Gen in which Nintendo became the "kiddy console" because it wasn't a rectangle and didn't have GTA
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I'm probably getting baited but.

>>256872610
>implying the Controller still isn't the best to date

>>256872720
>implying it didn't sell almost as well as the Xbawks, and wouldn't have outperformed it if not for Halo 2

>>256872735
>implying it didn't have the most quality library over the PS2's shovelware and handful of hidden, yet multiplat gems
>also implying it didn't have the best graphics

PS2 obviously won that gen though. It was no competition.
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>>256872641
absolutely based
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>>256872735
Ironically the PS2 was only marginally better than the Dreamcast, the Gamecube had pretty good hardware for a console.

>>256872486
Third party devs and Nintendo don't go hand in hand.
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The fact that it's a console
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cubivore didnt get a sequel
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The PS2.
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No DVD player
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>>256872486
people had inherent shit taste so the console died
its still the best one to me
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>>256873171
It did have games like true crime like the other consoles had and Resident Evil but when you're cash cow is Mario you'll get labeled "Kiddy" but the games were great quality like double dash, sunshine, sonic 2, animal crossing. Lack of online multiplayer hurts when Xbox had Halo, and PS2 had Socom or medal of honor.

The wavebird is still my favorite controller and the Gamecube is my favorite looking system next to the psone, it's colorful and doesn't take up too much space.
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not a whole lot
sales wise it did poorly because of nintendo's reputation and the ps2
but hardware wise it was a fantastic console
and i can go and play a ton of old games for it and have fun
so whatever
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>>256872486
Focus on games.
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>>256873232
2 good games isnt enough
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>>256872735
>weak hardware

People actually believe this.
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It couldn't play DVDs.
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http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/vgm/4601097659.html

i just bought this

holy shit
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>implying
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>>256874410
>not cutting your DVDs into a smaller size so they would fit
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>>256874548
>black gamecube

besides that you got the best of their franchises had offer. You're only missing a carrying case.
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>>256874683
>Try naming 15 exclusive hit PS2 titles

This guys gets it. Ask a Sony what his favorite PS2 games are and most of them will be shitty ports of Dreamcast, Xbox and/or Gamecube games.
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>>256872486
What went wrong now that the dust has settled and we're all in agreement that /v/ suddenly hates a doomed console. LOL
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>>256872486
this board is truly biased towards nintendo... I mean, according to the people defending this thing the console was perfect, so why did it really fail? A dvd player isn't enough for me to buy a console...
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>>256876451
online multiplayer was huge around that time, Although I thought the purple lunchbox had quality over quantity
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>>256875369
i never had a ps2 and i really regret missing out on the jak series as well as ratchet

other than that i cant really name any exclusives aside from MH back then
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>>256873913
>great quality
>sunshine, sonic 2
Is this bait?
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Ih had this game, ergo impossible to fail.
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The console and controllers appearance looked very child like.

No DVD player.

Slightly weak third party support.

Lacked key titles that the PS2 had from third party, like MGS, GTA, DMC ect.

Disc was a minor issue, due to holding less than standard and dual DVD, but it did have much better load times.

It did a lot right. Perfect price point. Great controller that just felt right. Killer exclusive titles. 4 player ports perfect for party games like Mario kart, Smash, Mario Party ect.

Highly underrated, to the point I would say it's easily the most underrated Nintendo console ever. It certainly wasn't perfect, as even with Nintendo games it still lacked quantity.
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It didn't do what the Wii did, which was cater to the incoming pop culture storm created by Sony and Microsoft. Plus Nintendo doesn't do harmful misinformation marketing about the other companies like microsoft and Sony do, so a lot of negative image was there for Nintendo and the gamecube and it still exists in retarded mainstream gamers minds today. Some even refusing to play games that arent boring ultra reality sims rated M for mature gamers such as themselves.
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>>256877147
nope, Sunshine was great, Sonic 2 was fun and had that addicting Chao stuff

wanna fight about it
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>>256875369
FFX
FFXII
Disgaea
Odin Sphere
Okami
God Hand
Ico
Shadow of the Colossus
MGS3
The Raidou games
Nocturne
Digital Devil Saga games
Jak series
Soul Nomad
Yakuza 1 and 2
Ratchet and Clank series
Those are the only ones I can think off the top of my head at this moment.
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>>256876832
I did have a PS2, Jak is shit, Ratchet is alright
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>>256877330
I also want to add that I think the WiiU will sell about as much, if not a little less/more than the Gamecube. I 100% believe had Nintendo done the following for the WiiU it would be doing far better.

>Not calling it the WiiU
>$250 price point
>Gamepad is okay only if the console managed a lower price point, otherwise it should of opted out.
>More games during the first 6 months.
>Should of included Nintendo land at $250 bundle, or Wii Sports HD.

I do think it was mostly because of the name and price point. Confusion for casuals, and a price too high to match. $350 was just ridiculous.

I love my WiiU, I just wish Nintendo hadn't fucked it up so bad. I'm just glad they aren't giving up and are still pushing amazing titles out, far more than the Gamecube and Wii had.
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>>256875369
R-Type Delta
God Hand
Robot Alchemic Drive
Disgaea
FFX
Shadow of the Colossus
Soul Nomad
Devil May Cry 3
Dark Cloud
Persona 3
Metal Gear Solid 2, 3

Come at me bro.
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>>256877317
>rent that shit twice trying to beat it
>emulate it years later
>get to last boss (i think, i thought i was "almost done" the game about 8 times)
>get shit on

probably gonna start over and try again
i fucking love that game

new one for wii u plz
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It was too good
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>>256877147
Sunshine had WORKING, FULLY DYNAMIC MIRRORS

The vast majority of current video games have it, while Nintendo continues that trend.

See: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AY2UHSYMVyo

Less mirror, but great reflection and dynamic shadows. Fucking Infamous doesn't even have shadows.
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>>256878573
And how exactly does that affect the gameplay?
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>>256878573
Don't have it*
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>>256878715
>implying Sunshine doesn't have good gameplay
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>>256877949
how can you say that about the gamepad? its great. having 2 screens is almost ALWAYS useful and not needing a tv to play it is great too

while it did push the price up pretty high it was still cheaper than the competition. also, how well the ps4 is doing proves that you dont really need games to sell consoles though it lacking 3rd party support really fucked them over with the casual dudebro crowd

they absolutely shit the bed on the marketing too
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>>256872486
Nothing, the GameCube is an objectively good console.
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>>256878905
>Fludd
>good
Be honest, you were 10 when Sunshine came and it was your first Mario game.
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>>256878573
Sunshine has a ton of neat technology shit.
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>>256872486

Sonyggers finding out about the console so that they can pretend that it's shit when it's perfect
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>>256873347
I traded in my Gamecube for the PS2 when I finally admitted to myself that GTA 3 was never going to come out for it. I was a huge Nintendo fan through the thicks of the NES to the thins of the N64. GCN had cool games, but it lacked the groundbreaking, gamechanging titles that PS2 had. I got tired of being left out of the conservation.
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>>256879126
I first played Sunshine when I was 19 and I replayed it recently for the 5th time. Sunshine is fucking great.
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Nothing went wrong.

I'd go so far as to say nothing went wrong with the XBox either.

The PS2 just went right.

(Dreamcast went so wrong though, which is a shame because it was amazing right out of the gate)
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>>256879614
So you're autistic then?
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>>256872486
it couldn't play DVDs
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New Sega console when?
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It had the worst game ever, Super Smash Bros. Melee on it.
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>>256879981
>buzzword
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>>256879126
not him but I didn't get the N64 and Sunshine was my first 3d Mario game. (played mario games on NES, & SNES)

It still looks great, and had plenty of levels where you didn't have Fludd
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>>256872486

Pros:
>Good hardware, about on par with the Xbox and better than the PS2/Dreamcast
>Super ergonomic controllers
>Strong first party titles
>Virtually indestructible

Cons:
>Smallest disc storage capacity
>Weak third-party support because of the above
>It wasn't the PS2

Ironically, the only reason why the PS2 sold so well was not because of the games, but because it was also the cheapest DVD player at the time. The main title that sold the PS2 when it was released in Japan was The Matrix
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>>256872486
Absolutely nothing. The PS2 was just an unstoppable juggernaut because cheaper than a DVD.
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It was a gay looking purple box with no DVD player that came out during the time of Eminem and GTA.
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What happened? Why did it have to die?
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>>256877730
>>256878089

None of those are good. Try again
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>>256880579
you mean the movie 8 mile right
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It went crazy with the 3D games and didn't offer consumers any 2D platformers. It had no 2D mario at launch.

The reason why NSMB U did not work for the Wii U however is a different matter. The game is ugly as sin and a graphical/mechanical rehash of a DS game. People are sick of that series.

The gamecube needed an excellent 2D mario platformer at launch along with the rest of it's lineup. It also needed a better dpad for this to work. The small dpad had the psychological effect of telling consumers this system did not do 2D platformers.

No external factor can account for the lack of sales, nintendo did themselves in. They neglected what made the nes and snes so popular. And they continue to do this with the Wii U.
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>>256880637

The PS2 had movies
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>>256878931
>not needing a tv to play it is great too
Does that work for every game?
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>>256880724
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>>256880637
Because the dream was cast away by the public in favour of the PS2.
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No Gotcha Force sequel
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The small discs might have played a bit of a role but otherwise gamecube was a really solid console for its time. Ps2 was a juggernaut though so no beating that.
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>>256880772
it was basically popular for young white dudes to act hardcores.
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>>256880809

>No external factor can account for the lack of sales

Except that the PS2 also sold because it doubled as a DVD player. But do keep trying to explain why Nintendo is killing themselves and not underanalyzing the market.
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>>256880346
>Ironically, the only reason why the PS2 sold so well was not because of the games, but because it was also the cheapest DVD player at the time.
In the longer term that's wrong, but in the shorter term nothing "ironic" about it bro. All consoles have to deal with the fundamental chicken/egg, bootstrap problem: the main purpose of a console is to play games, but developers don't want to dev for a console without a big user base. PS2 was one way around that: add some other really compelling feature that's instantly useful even without games but has some tie-in to games. DVD was useful right off so it added immediate value for early adopters, and then it also meant super cheap, large storage for developers down the road. That got the ball rolling so that the virtuous circle got going, wherein more and more people got the ps2, so more devs wrote for it, so more people got it, etc.

These days that sort of thing is a lot harder, though they still try a little. Having media center features or blu-ray or whatever is fundamentally the same idea, trying to add value to get the ball rolling. In this day and age it's not as valuable as DVD was for the PS2 but there's a reason why anybody bothers. Microsoft went overboard this gen to the point where it actually detracted from the Xbone's focus as a game system, but it still matters even for Sony who were more focused this time.
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>>256880809

The Wii NSMB worked because it came out on a system with an insane install base. Not the same as the WiiU NSMB that was a launch title for a console that didn't look good.
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Daily reminder it's your fault Nintendo went to the Wii
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>>256881110
The gamecube was $99 while the ps2 was $250-300 and also broke down quite often.

Just because someone buys a ps2 does not mean a gamecube lost sell especially when consoles reach their peak.

If the software was so compelling on the gamecube people would have purchased that console as well.
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>>256880895
it works for every game i own but im not sure if it works for every single game
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The ps2 is not the gamecube's problem. Nintendo CHOSE not to go with DVD. That is NOT sony's fault.
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>Picked up a ps2 a couple of months ago for 25$
>Get Ace Combat 04, Ace combat 5, and Ace combat 0
Those 3 games are greater than the entire GC library so far
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>>256881431
Why does everyone act like the Wii was a personal attack on them? Nintendo released tons of great games on it, but because they also released Wii Sports and Wii Fit they're suddenly anti-core-gamer or whatever.
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>>256878573
>Sunshine had WORKING, FULLY DYNAMIC MIRRORS
>Not a single drop of FPS while the game has fantastic looking graphics while the mirrors are seen on screen and fully working

GameCube was a powerhouse of a console during Gen 6. How comw Nintendo doesn't do this with their consoles after GC?

I never get why devs can never do mirrors right and can never do them right without FPS drops.
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>>256881809
This so much. Wii had Monhun, Smash, Xenoblade, Last story, pandora's tower, Tatsunoko v. Capcom, Metroid Prime 3, and a few other good non-babby games
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>>256879126
I'm the poster you've been responding too, not >>256879614
, but he's pretty close to me. I played shitloads of M64 when I was young, without full completion, and shitloads more on Sunshine, full completion.

Yeah, it's fucking great.
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>>256880637
>hardware was significantly weaker than the PS2
>used CDs while everyone else was moving on to DVDs (except nintendo)
>controller only has 11 buttons and one analog stick
>everyone hated sega for making the saturn

it was a good 90's console but not a good 2000's console. It was doomed whether sega stayed in the console market or not
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That first Wind Waker reveal probably fucked them early on.

>Be 13 during Spaceworld.
>Tired of being made fun of for sticking with Nintendo
>Mega hopeful for Zelda from first GC reveal
>See Celda instead
>Write mad comments on IGN, swear off Nintendo for betrayal
>Buy first Xbox instead.
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>>256880809

>They neglected what made the NES and SNES popular

It was games

SNES specifically was it's variety of it's games

N64's loss of third parties is what did them in
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>>256872991
What's broken about them anyway? The lense? Did the heat brick them?
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>>256872486

This.

The N64 showed up late, was more expensive and harder to develop for, had a smaller install base, and had abysmal 3rd party sales compared to 1st party games.

Sony had it all locked down before the gen even started. The GC was also more powerful, but the limited disk space really gimped what could be done compared to uglier but larger PS2 games.

I'd say that the GC easily has the best % of good games in the generation, and has at least an equal share of the top games, but outside of 20 or so great games, you don't have the meat of the PS2s library.
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>>256877730
Good job!

Glad you see you know that MGS2 got PC and xbox ports. Also Silent Hill 2 and 3 got PC ports.

I don't doubt the PS2 library good amount of exclusives, I just think the "vastness" of it is very overstated. Still the Katamari games is what I really loved on the PS2.
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>>256878463
Since WiiU tablet was anounced I keep asking for a baten kaitos with the cards on the tablet. Just imagine.

But no, life must suck.
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>>256878089
>Metal Gear Solid 2
>Exclusive

Not even
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>>256881535
gamecube was $99 at like the end of the gen
i think at launch gamecube was like 250 and ps2 was 300 or 350

xbox was an expensive piece of ass though
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>>256872486
My guess is nothing particular. It was just that Sony was an absolute monster back then and no one was a legit competition for them.

I wish I bought a gamecube back then. The console looks so delicious.
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>>256882369
>Stuck with them because I knew they knew what they were doing.
>Got a decent Zelda out of it.
Looking back the tech demo looked pretty fucking ugly.
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>>256882103
by the time those games came out im pretty sure alot of wii owners were too pissed off to be assed with it

2006-2009 was pretty ass aside from mp3 and the galaxy games
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>>256883070
What does it matter for the purposes of discussion? None of those games came out on GameCube, why does it matter if they were PS2 exclusive? The point is that GCN wasn't seeing any of these games and thus not selling as well.
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It died too early.
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>>256874875
you lose half the picture then
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>>256872486
No DVD support.
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>>256883637
I guess we just have suffer with 240p like the poor folks stuck with a PS2.
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>>256883180
it would be so much better than having to shift through the cards like in the GC

id even settle for another jrpg with a similar battle system. before this game i was thinking that all jrpgs had the shitty pokemon style battle system
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>>256872486
>what went wrong
It was the best console of all time but had no dvd player so now we got the current vidya industry instead.
Thanks a lot casual sonyscum.
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nothing felt better than taking that purple box to your friends house to play some double fucking dash
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>>256872486
internet gaming happened
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About 10 good games at the most. The rest was shit which led to the Wii and it's 95 percent shovelware library because 3rd party developers abandoned the console.
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>>256884000

Trips confirm it. I actually fully agree anon, the shitty modern vidya industry had its roots all the way back to the fifth and sixth gens, the PS2 being one of those roots, but people were too naive to see it at the time

Seriously, the attach rate for the PS2 was total ass, and all these niche games that /v/ circlejerks about after the fact sold like utter garbage on PS2. Not to mention the fact that it sold to casual non-gamers with its DVD player and the precursors of the shootan dudebros with its western games. And Sony's lies about the hardware was in full effect back then too. I'm not saying the PS2 didn't have good games but it gets a lot of undeserved praise here
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>>256873161

Good emulators, like...
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>>256884971
the handle was godlike
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remember when anti-Nintendo faggots said GCN was going to be discontinued by a certain month because of Xbox and PS2?
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>>256873232
>>implying the Controller still isn't the best to date

yes that's exactly what Implying. The C-stick was retarded
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>>256887230
>1080p/60fps on PS4

PFFFFFFFFFHAHAHAHA
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>>256886254
At least the 6th gen had good games (that also sold well) on all consoles but one gen later all you see in top 10 most sold games on ps360 is cod, fifa, madden and gta.
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>>256886254
>Caring about trips

yep you're a nintenfag
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>>256879126
>you were 10 when Sunshine came and it was your first Mario game.
you could say the same about Galaxy and Galaxy 2.

you couldn't get used to the FLUDD and it wasn't much of a problem as you get far, that's all. (including Blue Coins)
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>>256885972
This is probably the most hardcore revisionism I've ever seen.

The PS2, Wii, and DS all have pretty equal amounts of shovelware. The Gamecube has the lowest of that generation, and way more than 10 good games.
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>>256887953
>and way more than 10 good games.

no it didn't
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>>256874683

>Dust on Xbox

Good thing mine is the crystal clear one
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>>256887230
And it should have been. What's your point? Faggots still talk about Sony going under and that's far less likely.
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>>256872486
nintendo thought the average consumer would care more about the games that a console plays rather than the looks of said console. unfortunately there is a huge "so mature" (pre)teen userbase that looked at this little purple box and funky looking controller and said "ayyy lmao dis shit gay".

gamecube has probably been their greatest console of all time but they'll never know because motion control gimmicks and apple tier aesthetics blew it out of the water financially.
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>>256888108
and this isn't even everything anon
You're going to get btfo if you argue
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>>256888396
>REzero
>good
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>>256888396
>No Custom Robo
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>>256880346

No it's hardware was no about on par with xbox, but it far better than the ps2
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>>256888378
>nintendo thought the average consumer would care more about the games that a console plays
Haha wow nintendo sure is behind. Lol why dont they do IOS games haha?
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>>256888297
>Faggots still talk about Sony going under and that's far less likely.
They're losing money hand over fist ($1.3 billion last year despite the PS4 launch), selling off divisions, selling their headquarters, and closing game studios and firing game devs. Meanwhile Nintendo has been expanding as a company while only losing fractions of Sony's losses. "far less likely" my ass.
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>>256888751
>Meanwhile Nintendo has been expanding as a company

that's a funny way of saying

>reporting massive loss
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>>256883290

Ya I remember it was around $500, and the whole gen it was $50-$100 more than the ps2

I think the wiki page for the xbox says laynch consoles were made in austria, then moved to china
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>>256880106
So true.
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>>256888378
>nintendo thought the average consumer would care more about the games that a console plays

This is still what they think too. That's not what the industry is about today though, like you said. Part of me wishes they would understand that so they could boost their profits and popularity, but another part of me is glad they're sticking to their guns and actually focusing on good games and gameplay still. I'm conflicted.
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>>256888396
Doesn't include at least:
Echoes
Super Monkey Ball 1&2
Beyond Good and Evil
REmake Zero instead, why?
Rogue Leader
Prince of Persia
Timesplitters
Soul Calibur 2

probably several others, those just stuck out
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>>256872486
This
You think Nintendo would have learned its lesson in the n64/ps1 format difference. Hell FF7 was on ps1 because of that, yet they go with the limited format they used.
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>>256888378
Gamecube was their best console to date. The problem is, the gamecube didn't fulfill their expectations because they assumed people would care about games, when more people started to care about "muh grafix" and "edgy" games, example being the reaction towards Wind Waker and the reaction towards Twilight Princess.

Then once the Wii sold buttloads, they believed people cared more about more gimmicks like wagglan', and now they're just starting to realize that we're getting back to the point that they thought we were at 12 years ago, where we only cared about the games.
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>>256881958
because everybody else want soulless and casual rehashio with a gloss of Galaxy around it.

Sticker Star and Super Mario 3D Land were good examples.

Nintendo EAD is only leaving their creativity on Power-Ups, the Tablet, Secrets, and World Maps instead of the mechanics, level design, backgrounds (seriously just add NSMBU's BGs in SM3DW and it's perfect), style, etc.

recent news that the next 3D mario game will be more gimmicky to the tablet.
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>>256888872

They've been on a huge hiring spree (instead of firing like Sony), building new buildings (instead of selling them like Sony), and they just went through a big stock buyback. Yes they've been losing money but they're definitely expanding. Not to mention

http://metro.co.uk/2014/01/08/nintendo-valued-as-bigger-company-than-sony-4254425/
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>>256872486
What went wrong?

The fact that the console in the picture is called "indigo" instead of purple.
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>>256872486
>bad exclusives
every exclusive title on the Gamecube was worse than it's predecessor on the N64. Super Mario Sunshine & Super Mario 64, Star Fox Assault & Star Fox 64, Twilight Princess & Majora's Mask, Mario Kart Double Dash & Mario Kart 64
>got blown the fuck out by the PS2
if you wanted any first person shooter, any RPG, any survival horror, any fighter, you were pretty shit out of luck with the Gamecube
>they stopped developing games for it after the first year
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>>256889032
They make enough profit. I hope nintendo can stay in their niche, making good games and get a reasonable profit.
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>>256874683
Reasons GCN is good
>It only plays games
No, that was it's failure, that they refused to use DVDs, so files had to be smaller. I don't think anyone would say the lack of a feature is good.
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>>256889808
>Super Mario Sunshine & Super Mario 64
>Mario Kart Double Dash & Mario Kart 64

Nigga I will fight you so hard
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>>256889136
What games were limited? Only games that needed 2 disk were the ones with cinematics like ToS, baten kaitos and killer7.
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>>256889238
>because they assumed people would care about games, when more people started to care about "muh grafix" and "edgy" games,

oh shut the fuck up. If they actually thought that then they'd have gone out of the way to get a stronger third party library. they didn't.

Quit trying to act like Nintendo somehow has more integrity, it's pathetic. Sony has gone further out of the way to expand it's libraries with new IPs and game via the third party and here you praising a company that thinks so little of it's fan base they parade out the same core IPs they've been shilling for decades and expect you to lap it up like a hungry dog.

Nintendo doesn't like you or gamers past you money. You;ve all fallen in love with a prostitute
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>>256889986
I think splinter cell needed the audio compressed.
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>>256889136
>>256889986
>implying it wasn't mostly the fault of lazy devs

Capcom fit all of RE2, which took two discs on PS1, into one N64 cart and even improved the game with things like better quality audio.
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>>256886254
ps2 had the highest attach rate of that generation bub
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http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/08/15/the-struggles-of-marketing-the-gamecube/

This was a nice read but sadly I only bookmarked the link instead of downloaing the article and google doesnt seem to have the cache option anymore.
Anyone know how to get the text?
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>>256890069
>If they actually thought that then they'd have gone out of the way to get a stronger third party library. they didn't.

They did. The problem was that most devs ended up fucking Nintendo over no matter what they did.
>The Capcom Five
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>>256889136
Funny enough, Super Mario 3D World could have fit on a gamecube disc if they compress the audio a bit more. The game is only 1.7 GB big.
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>>256889808
>best version of soulcalibur2
>smash
>cvs2 fixed version
>bloody roar
It got enough fighters.
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>>256887883
>age 10 at Galaxy/2 Release
>say that on 4chan
underaged b&
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>more good games than I could play during it's generation
>something wrong

Why do people on the internet care about how much money a company makes?
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>>256879545
Nice copypasta
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>>256890136
>into one N64 cart and even improved the game with things like better quality audio.

no they didn't the N64 version of RE2 was complete ass compared to the PS1 version
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>>256872486
Nothing, Nintendo made good money out of it and it had great games. So it was great on all ends.
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>>256889986
Has there a GC game that was on 3+ discs?
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>>256890069
Would you as publisher even botehr to put your game on the underdog of the gen or the dvd player literally everyone owned?
Nintendo tried with 3rd party but the casual masses were somewhere else.
Still surprising how many good quality 3rd party titles they got nontheless.
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>>256877330
and it took a flamethrower to kill the gamecube. that thing was damn near imposable to break.

I feel that if I breath on a ps4 wrong it will stop working
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>>256890568
Autism.
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>>256890349
>They did. The problem was that most devs ended up fucking Nintendo over no matter what they did.

oh yeah they got timed releases from ONE company.

you know what developers Sony got?

FUCKING AL OF THEM! There's more than just Capcom out there.
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>>256890478
>Implying RC needed to be taken out.
If Xbox and GC became the standard versions everyone would have dropped the game faster complaining that K is too fucking good
>>
I wish fans saw themselves as consumers and not shareholders. This is why I avoid neogaf.
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>>256877538
>Sonic 2 was fun

you were one of those kids weren't you
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>>256890763
Not that I know of. Dios Mios iso fiddler also never meantioned anything abouve 2 discs.
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>>256874683
>"ps2 had too many buttons!"
>implying more input options are a bad thing
This fuckin guy
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>>256890478
>>best version of soulcalibur2

you better have a good reason beyond MUH LINK

>bloody roar

It got the shittiest BR, which is saying something
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>>256890927
At least rollcancel got fixed.
And btw, trying to measure the quality of a game by the time and effort the fgc puts into it, especially at taht time, is not a good method. See: turd strike and mvc2.
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>>256872641

And people forget to mention that the majority of the initial sales are from people who bought it exclusively for the DVD player.

They tried to pull the exact same tactic with the PS3 and Blu-Ray, it's a Marketing tactic that makes sense.

DVD players were still too expensive, back then, to be owned by the average household or family. The PS2 had an ok DVD player that was way cheaper than the top brands out there like the actual Sony DVD players from back then and it doubled as a gaming machine. So daddy and your douche brother could also play their NLH and FIFA on it.

The PS2 crushed the Dreamcast during the marketing phase, The Dreamcast was released too soon and with too little spport to survive the gigantic campaign Sony conducted back then and, then, it outsold everyone. Also, the Dreamcast feel victim to piracy like no other console before it.

As I said, they tried the EXACT same shit with the Ps3 the following gen. Releasing the Ps3 as a Blu Ray player when Blu Rays were still new and owned by people with dosh, but they made several mistakes.

The price.
and
Not being able to read Nintendo
They never saw just how powerful a selling argument a mere "original" gimmick can be.
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>>256890514
>implying i'm undershit
and you're forgetting the fact the wii was mostly sold by casuals and Galaxy/Galaxy 2 was pretty casual as fuck.

just look at how much it sold and go ask a little kid or casual down the street (expression) about what their first mario game? obviously gonna be either Galaxy, NSMB Wii/U, and SM3D.
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>>256889459
Are you one of those fags that thinks Sunshine is better than the Galaxy games

Granted I haven't played 3d world so can't comment on that
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>>256890840
Namco gave them good exclusives and even developped a mainline starfox for them.
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>>256891348
>And people forget to mention that the majority of the initial sales are from people who bought it exclusively for the DVD player.

the key word being INITIAL. PS2 didn't sell 150mil overnight Idiot and DVD players went down in price pretty fast
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>>256890349
I have come to conclusion that no will ever support a Nintendo platform seriously. The DS sold 153 million units and yet support from western parties died like 4 years in. Wii was the absolute winner of the gen, and probably the best we ever got from a big company like EA was fucking Boom Blox. The 3ds has sold 43 million units in just 3 years while it took 360 9 years to reach 80 million, and still western support for the system is dead. I mean is their any EA games coming out the 3ds at all?
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>>256889808
Mario Kart 64 was shit

Only good thing about it was 4 player mode. But that got irrelevant fast.

Seriously who plays this fucking game, ever? Except for nostalgia reasons..? Meanwhile Super Mario Kart, Double Dash, DS, Wii all hold up well.
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>>256891348
>And people forget to mention that the majority of the initial sales are from people who bought it exclusively for the DVD player.
People always say that and yet I've never seen a source for it
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>>256891279
Link is one reason because he fits the theme and has all of the signature moves. Another obvious reason is the BLAST PROCESSING like loading times of the gamecube.
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>>256891314
RC getting taken out would have ruined the game, and anyone who can play that game worth 2 shits would tell you the same. Without the threat of being BTFO by A setups and C grownman-damage the Bosses and Eagle could sit in the corner with 3 buttons and win.
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>>256891418
Nigger Mario games have been casual since World.

You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. And Galaxy 2 is easily the most difficult 3d game.
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>>256891619
>Link is one reason because he fits the theme

having a sword doesn't mean you fit the theme. I know this is gonna sound weird to you but there are different kinds of fantasy out there.

>and has all of the signature moves.

which didn't gel with the rest of the cast AT ALL resulting in the most broken version of the game
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>>256872486

Nothing, it had some of the best games of all time on it, just like xbox/ps2

In terms of "absolute best games ever" that were on each platform though, it's Xbox > PS2 > Gamecube
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>>256872735
According to Hideki Kamiya, it was just as, if not a bit more powerful than the PS2
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>>256891418
I prefer casuals buying a console for games than for movies tho :^)
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>>256891482

Don't call me an idiot, why are you so defensive?

I'm not attacking the Ps2, I'm just saying a shitload of them sold for the DVD player and that has always been the case. People think the Wii was the first "family" console, they didn't see the ammount of dads and dudebros who bought it JUST for the DVD and their FIFA.

All I'm saying is that the DVD was a huge selling argument that sold the console far more than all the others because even when DVDs dropped in rpices, a DVD is not ALSO an affordable gaming machine.

If you think 150 million of these units sold because of muh Kingdom Heart and muh Final Fantasy, you're wrong.
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>>256872486
>tfw console handles didn't catch on
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>>256890295
Here ya go
https://web.archive.org/web/20140314223831/http://www.notenoughshaders.com/2013/08/15/the-struggles-of-marketing-the-gamecube/
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>>256891817
>xbox

literally all shit western games
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>>256891550
Maybe a sims4 port?
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>>256891420
>implying galaxy is even comparable to how good sunshine is
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>>256883070
Silent 2 and 3 also got Xbox Ports
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>>256891885
>If you think 150 million of these units sold because of muh Kingdom Heart and muh Final Fantasy

No it's because the PS2 had a huge fucking library so you could play whatever you wanted.

At least that's why I got it.
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>>256892008

Ninja Gaiden and Gun Valkyrie were western games? Thank you for this information friend :^)

Oh and btw Halo CE is the third best game of all time and it's a "shit western game." Shit western games have been better than Jap games since the early 90s in fact
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>>256892008
>this pleb
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>>256872726
>>256872735
Have you even played a gamecube?
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>>256891550
>I mean is their any EA games coming out the 3ds at all?
you forgetting that EA pulled a Sony after Nintendo said no about Origin on WiiU and online support from them, and handling eShop.

EA was technically the reason why most people stayed away from WiiU at first.
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>>256891796
>having a sword doesn't mean you fit the theme
You nigga soulcalibur is about fighting with weapons. That is why link and spawn were good and heihachi was shit, I bet it didnt even took namco 1 day toport him over from tekken.

Link was broken? Normally people call him lowest of low tier. He fits perfect into the game, deal with it.
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How many of you just found out this last generation that the Game Cube has quite a few hidden gems?
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>>256892008
>Psyconauts
>Pantom Crash
>Panzer Dragoon Orta
>Phantom Dust
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>>256892089
kek

I like platforming games so Galaxy is better.
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>>256892321
>Halo CE is the third best game of all time
>Shit western games have been better than Jap games since the early 90s
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It was just okay. There was only about a dozen or so worthwhile games for it, majority of which were first party games.
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>>256891348
blu ray was a fuckin gamble too since nobody knew what the dominant optical HD medium would be. RIP in peace HD DVD
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>>256891998
Thanks a lot man. Gonna save it to a textfile this time.
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>>256892503

Yeah my mistake, late 80s if you count Pirates! and other games.
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>>256892321
>Halo CE is the third best game of all time
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>>256890069
You act like I'm defending Nintendo, you dumb cunt. I haven't owned a Nintendo system since the Gamecube, but it's still one of my favorite consoles to date.

Nobody brought up Sony, you dumb cunt, but it's obvious you're a sonigger. Sony doesn't care so little for you, just like Nintendo, so you don't need to shill for them. Sony didn't go "out of the way" to get any of the games on the PS2, most of them companies wanted on the PS2 because it was selling a shitload. And the reason they "parade out the same core IP's is because they sell money, and people like them, you fucking idiot. Sony has only a few IPs, but Nintendo has a shitload. Pikmin, Chibi-Robo to name a few started on the Gamecube, yet you fanboys love acting like they only have MARIO ZELDA POKEMON.

I do agree that there are way too many games with Mario slapped on them, like Tennis, Soccer, etc etc, but to say that the Platforming Mario games aren't fun shows your shit taste.

And don't deny that the Wii U isn't the most game oriented console Nintendo has had since the Gamecube, because it is. I played Mario 3D World, that was hella fun, and so was Mario Kart 8. I'll see about buying it once their new 3D Mario/Smash comes out, but until then I'll stay speculative.
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>>256891348
To be honest one factor people forget about the ps2 is that it's still being sold in poor countries. Why do you think Fifa still has ports for ps2? That shit is still selling in brazil and other countries.
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>>256892593
>Pirates!
>tfw Pirates! Gold (Sega exclusive)
fuck i gotta replay that game again
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>>256889986

Re4, REmake and Zero all had 2 discs
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http://www.dromble.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/
Mega-article related.
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>>256892385
Exactly, why are companies ignoring 2013's best selling gaming platform? There seems to be some extreme spite for Nintendo in the industry.
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the system was too Japanese it was cube the controller was almost as bad as the original xbox controller no dvd player all the big games had E or T ratings. imo they're going downhill since the Wii but still have a dedicated and loyal fan base i stopped buying after the wii came out i still own my gamecube and n64 gameboy and gb advanced they really slept on making it more appealing to there aging fan base not everyone is satisfied with just kid like games as the exclusives
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>>256890478

Eh xbox version had 480p support, 720p in windowed mode
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>>256892389
>He fits perfect into the game, deal with it.
>is from the land of magic elves and shit Hyrule
>Soul Cal takes place in what is very obviously Earth
>Doesn't even match the aesthetic of everyone else instead retaining his OoT look

man I knew Nintendofags where deluded fuckers
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>>256892556
Pretty much this

Also what do you fags like so much about that controller anyway? It had a good analog stick and triggers and that's fucking it. The dpad was shit, the second stick was shit, the button layout was stupid and the fucking cord is too short
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>>256892937
The orginal xbox controller was the best controller of all time you fucking idiot
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>>256892320

I understand that, but despite its huge library and fairly obscure niches of neckbeard games, the PS2 was pretty much a console owned by normalfags and teenagers. I know this doesn'T apply to everyone, but I remember my highschool days and hearing about every fucking kid owning a PS2 and every fucking kid played a combinaison of GTA and Need for Speed or at least that is ALL they ever talked about amidst the conversations about playing Diablo 2 and Stacraft.

If they had big brothers, they'd usually play the same shit combined with sports games and if daddy had a go at the game, he either played the exact same games as his son with maybe a gold game in there depending on the dad.

I remember all the games (the trully good ones we talk about here) I used to play and that I own for my PS2 today were games that nobody else played. the only people I could talk about FF10 with were the weird nerds at the loser table. That's why I assume that the majority of these PS2 were bought by casual normalfags you were hype they could also watch porn DVDs between games of Medal of Honor and Forza.
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>>256889986
RE:4, Tales of Symphonia, REmake, RE: 0, Ribbit King, half of the Tiger Woods Games, Twin Snakes, Code Veronica X, and TMNT 2 and 3.

That's most of them
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>>256893064

Duke or S?

S was great,

and Duke was perfect for my big hands

hand the Pearl and Black buttons were in perfect position on the duke, so damn annoying reaching down on the S.

Also the dukes had that clear green cord, looks so with that braiding through dat green
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>>256893064
Not when your like 12 years old faggot it was shit thats why it was discontinued
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>>256891998
>

At the time, Nintendo believed “Geist” — a first person shooter published by Nintendo — would be GameCube’s “Halo Killer”. Shigeru Miyamoto had contributed gameplay ideas to Geist including “object possession”. Because of Miyamoto’s minor involvement, Nintendo had strong confidence in the title, and everyone inside the meeting reassured Reggie that “Geist” would become a huge hit with the older hardcore gamers who loved “Halo”.

This bit gets me every time. Geist is pretty bad.
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>>256892698

It is, and would've been THE BEST GAME OF ALL TIME (at the time) if GTA 3 hadn't already been out. So there.
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>>256892937
>not like the GC controller
>not liking the duke
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>>256892962
Didnt knew that and taht is pretty neat feature for the time.
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>>256872991
>tfw you have 2 DCs
>none of them work
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>>256893274

You do realize GTA 3 is to 3 best games of all time and FF10 is a 2/5 game, right?
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>>256876715
>online multiplayer was huge around that time

Not on consoles it wasn't.
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>>256892992
>soul calibur has no magic
Dude even the first entry soul blade the mix of magic and technology. You obviously dont know what you are talking about. Link is also fights not with magic in sc2 except for flaming whirl attack and arrows which fits PERFECTLY into the soul calibur universe.
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>>256891594

That's not something backed up by charts, it's more of an observation.

The marketing tactic is obvious, but as I posted somewhere else, nobody played the games we enjoyed for the PS2. BAck in highschool, 90% of the kids who owned a PS2 I couldn't even talk with because none of them played Disagea, FF10 or Megaman X. It was always Racing games and GTA.

Don't get me wrong, I love GTA and shit, but it's just that a lot of PS2 passionates seem to think the system sold because of its gigantic library alone, but most of the game sin this library, nobody fucking played.

I do agree though, the fact it was a console that both a full on nerd and a dudebro could get mad hype about is, in itself, a brilliant marketing move
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>>256872641
yet it didn't really sold any original games on 3rd world countries because muhpiracy
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>>256893298
The Duke, but they were both great from what I recall. Comfy, stylish plus it had the most buttons of all the controllers that gen, really sad console manufacturers haven't kept improving on that point

>>256893307
it was a Man's console
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>>256886845

Oh, i know, i know, Dolphin.
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>>256887230
>Sakamoto near anything Metroid ever again
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>>256892501
what the fuck
sunshine was a platformer
did you even play
are you retarded
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>>256872486
>Gamecube is pretty cool, guys
>Purple? What are you some kinda fag?
>You can get a black one if you want
>Oh, in case you're a closet fag?

It's because it was for fags. ;_;
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>>256889549
dude they're gonna buy back Rare!

O.o
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>>256893064
I didnt like the slightly spherical buttons, also dont like them on the 360 but else the pad felt good.
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>>256893382
Duke was one of the biggest reasons why the xbox almost flopped you only like it because it makes you feel nostalgic the gamecube controller and duke were almost as overrated as final fantasy 7, OoT and Halo all boring stories
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>>256893361
Even if Geist was good, it would have taken twice as much marketing as normal to explain to consumers why they would want it. It's not a game that sells itself, and it's pretty stupid for marketers not to see glaring customer education issues like that.
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>>256893361
They tried it again with metroid primes 2 taged on multiplayer.
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>>256893625

Who cares about scores? I loved the shit out of FF10 back then, not so much today, but it doesn't change the fact FF10 makes it in most lists I see around here as a PS2 classic.

As I said, I don't like GTA and I have nothing about dudebro games, just because I'm on /v/ doesn't mean I think videogames are my secret club no normalfag and woman allowed, but it's still a fact that this game is owned by a majority of casuals, which, I don't think is bad, a casual is not a bad "gamer", in my opinion, but a casual who pretends to be a passionate, that's another story.

All I'm saying is most of the top ranked games for the PS2 are games that mostly casuals played. It doesn't mean GTA 3 isn't a fantastic game
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>>256893361

I loved geist

But one thing to this day that annoys me is the reload sound for the machinegun after he reloads the mag there is no sound when he cocks it
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>>256894213
I've played Echoes no less than 30 times and I've never played the multiplayer. I just leave it alone and it leaves me alone.
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>>256892008
>JSRF
>[email protected]
>Outrun 2
>SMT Nine

>shit
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>>256894437

>I don't like GTA

I meant I don't HATE GTA
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>>256890960
>I avoid sonygaf love me some nintendgaf
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>>256894528
I tried it once with my dudebro friend. He got no problems with teh controls even with never having played it but we dropped it after 15 minutes because it was just boring. You could smell all the hard work that went into the mode.
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>>256894778

People like you who must make everything about brand loyalty are the reason why /v/ is such an awful place.
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>>256877330
>Highly underrated

People need to stop saying this shit. Anyone who knows anything about vidya knows it's a quality console with some quality games.

If anything it's become overrated by certain people now.
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>>256872486
>No gta
>no gran turismo
>no final fantasy
>a controller far inferior to the DS2
the list goes on and on
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>>256872486

Rare was sold.

We lost Donkey Kong Racing. A sequel to Diddy Kong Racing that apparently was gonna take inspiration from GTA3.
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>>256895149
>no final fantasy
It had the best ff of the gen. Not turnbased but everythign else was back to classic lore and feel.
>liking the shitty sony pad
That thing breaks when I sneeze at it and feels horrible in your hands. Enjoy not knowing where to put your little and ring finger.
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>>256895149

>No gta

>>256895184

>was gonna take inspiration from GTA3.

nintenkids almost got their own GTA
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>>256895184
We got the best DK game of all time instead so I am alright.
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>>256895467
>That thing breaks when I sneeze at it

You seem reckless.
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>>256895184
>Grand Theft Expand Dong
that really doesn't sound very good. Amusing though.
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>>256895772
I'm a big guy
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>>256895184

Plus Perfect Dark Zero was supposed to be a gamecube game
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>>256873232
>implying it didn't have the most quality library over the PS2's shovelware and handful of hidden, yet multiplat gems
>also implying it didn't have the best graphics
That's some heavy implying considering that the gamecube has around 10-15 good games depending on your tastes that were only on gamecube during the actually lifetime of the system.

The only reason the PS2 seemed like it had a ton of shovelware is because every system gets a ton of shovelware but since ps2's library was so massive 50% shovelware games for it looks insane compared to 50% shovelware for GC.

Ps2 won at first with DvD player and maintained it's dominance with its massive library/
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>>256895607
>no Donkey Kong Jam 'n Slam (Hack 'n Slash/Beat 'em up)
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>>256872486
- Stupid kiddie look
- lol wut controller
- use mini dvd bullshit

that's why my friend .
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>>256896032
>controller on the 3DS screen
I know you're reckless.
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>>256873171
nintendo was the kiddy console since the n64, bro
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>>256873106
>dramatically

not really
PS2 was to Gamecube what PS3 was to Xbox 360
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>>256873232

>Best graphic.

The PS2 had the shittiest hardware of its generation.
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>>256896404
It wasn't that close. GC and Xbox were significantly ahead in terms of graphics, the PS2 was like a half generation behind.
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>>256872486
No gaems.


And please don't try and defend the lack of titles. The GC had a insanely small library, and had huge droughts of no games.
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>>256896301
N64 was mature as fuck, it had Goldeneye and Conkers Bad Fur Day
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>>256893906
All I remember was cleaning up loads of fucking goop

There were some straight up platforming levels that were like a rudimentary form of Galaxy, that was the most fun.
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>>256896095
The only reason the PS2 seemed like it had a ton of shovelware is because every system gets a ton of shovelware but since ps2's library was so massive 50% shovelware games for it looks insane compared to 50% shovelware for GC.
>dem niggas seriously implying that1650 were not shovelware on ps2
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The real reason the Gamecube didn't sell:

The games it got were inferior sequels to what was on the N64.

Super Mario Sunshine was worse than Super Mario 64

Wind Waker / Twilight Princess were worse than Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask

Starfox Adventures and Assault were worse than Star Fox 64

Wave Race Blue Storm was worse than Wave Race 64

Mario Power Tennis worse than Mario Tennis (same with Golf)

etc etc etc

The only game that was an improvement was Super Smash Bros Melee. And suprise suprise, that was the best selling game on Gamecube.

It's the games, stupid. There's no other reason. It was the games.
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It was purple. No boy is gonna buy that.
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>>256872486
Not much, had fantastic third-party support.

Only needed some online multiplayer for some games. It almost got Battlefield 1942 apparently as an exclusive, but it never happened since Nintendo didn't have a plan for online.
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Can we get over this?

The gamecube controller was fucking awful, there's no fucking way around it
-Movement stick has an hexagon under it, limiting 3D movement to 8 directional movement, terrible for fighting games
-D-Pad was fucking tiny and hard as shit, have you tried playing megaman x collection with that shit?
-retardedly big A button in the middle of the 3 other buttons, gee this sure worked fine for every game not called smash bros, mario or zelda
-atleast 3 buttons less than the other controllers
-Retardedly small c-stick
-Both sticks wear out rather quickly

Why can't you faggots accept it is a horirble console
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>>256881142
wonder if there will ever be another physical format like that. like to say "no", holographic won't be widespread, but then again amerikka land is holding back the world with its dogshit internet so who knows.
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>>256896907
>Wave Race Blue Storm was worse than Wave Race 64
excuse me?
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>>256896729
>/v/'s PS3 meme
>lack of titles
>insanely small library
>huge droughts of no games
are you here for replies
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>>256897036
>-Movement stick has an hexagon under it, limiting 3D movement to 8 directional movement, terrible for fighting games

Are you literally retarded
But I agree with all your other points

Seriously though all analog sticks should just copy the gamecube/wii nunchuck
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>>256896986
Nintendo didn't have a plan for online? then what are the 3(-1) inputs on the downside for?
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>>256896887
That's not even remotely true, the PS2 probably had 5 times the % of shovelware that came out on Gamecube. The PS2 library is beyond beyond massive, and even a lot of the Wii's shovelware titles were PS2 ports.
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>>256896604
>half a generation behind
how can you say that with a straight face with all the multiplats that came out with it

the only difference where frame rate and lightning most of the time, not to mention that some PS2 games even ran the same as their multiplat counterparts

>>256896734
this is bait
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The only good controllers were third party ones at twice the regular price.
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>>256874683
>it only plays games

This list is kind of depressing in hindsight.
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>>256897036
I have easily over 3000 houes on my gamecube and no stick were off even slightly wtf man.
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>>256897175
I bet you're an underage faggot who wasn't even around during the gamecube days

Being a GC owner was suffering, just like the Wii, and just like the Wii U now. I only still put up with it because I've now got the money to buy other consoles/play on PC
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>>256897263

They probably had plans for other peripherals.
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>>256897252
have you tried Capcom vs SNK?
The D-pad is literally impossible to use comfortably and the stick messes up when trying to do a simple dragon punch movement
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>>256897175
Funny enough, the PS3 has like 3x the games the GC had. Why do people here try to ignore the fact that the GC had a small library? This isn't opinion, it's fact. And the few Nintendo fags that do admit it, use the whole "quality over quantity" argument.
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>>256891594
It was just common fucking sense.

When you looked to buy a console back then, you could either have the one that was also a DVD player or not.

The playstation was obviously helped by the predecessor's success, but without a doubt the convenience and benefit of your console being a DVD player was then obvious.

The fact that I have to explain this makes me think you're an underage b&
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>>256896907
>Super Mario Sunshine was worse than Super Mario 64
name the problems, please
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>>256872641
This makes me mad as hell.

Fuck this gay earth.
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You're daily reminder that PS2 games look like shit

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkHoDEh0FWc
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>>256897557
I dont wont to embarras you but the gamecube had working, free online but you needed to buy a special modem adapter.
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>>256897520
>being a X owner was suffering
>underage faggot
yep, b8
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>>256897732
Not him, you've heard all these arguments before though.
>FLUDD reduces intensive platforming in all areas that aren't the secret stages
>less level variety
>240 blue coins
>the pachinko machine
>I'm a chuckster!
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>>256897318

No, THIS is bait.

It had a porting of RE2
It had Ogre Battle 64, an amazing tactical RPG that had swearing in it. I don't agree that it is a mature console because the notion of maturity being an inherently positive trait in a videogame is utterly fucking retarded, but you can't deny Nintendo isn't a company just for babies.

>b-but muh children muh babbies they're playing the pokémon!

Sorry dude, sometimes, there are cool games on Nintendo consoles.
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>>256897604
Yep and I had no problem because you dont need a dpad if you have such an excellent analogstick like the gc pad.
Literally only move I couldnt do relyable was Geese's raising storm.
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>>256897767
Why?.....Because your preferred console didn't win that gen? The PS2 was a damn good system, with a much more diverse library than both the xbox and GC.
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>>256897318
Just look at RE4. It's not just the lighting. Fog, pop-in, geometry gimping, texture downgrade, ambient lighting, dynamic lighting, water effects, low poly models. It's far closer to compare it to the difference between Wii and PS3 than PS3 and 360.
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>>256892008
>all those Dreamcast sequels
>Ninja Gaiden

Microsoft actually tried to capture the Japanese market with the HUEG, it's just they weren't interested in gaijin products that weren't catered and marketed specifically to them.
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>>256897972
All those points are bullshit.
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Nothing dude I love playing GameBoy games on my gamesphere.
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Gamecube neither had quantity or quality when it came to games.

People can nitpick all sorts of problems as to why the Gamecube didn't do well, but that's the reason.

Remember the Playstation 2 had some of the most convoluted difficult hardware to work with and that didn't stop it getting massive third party support. And yet people say the Sega Saturn's difficult hardware was SOLELY responsible for that console not getting any third party support.

It's
always
the
games
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>>256898191
>Microsoft actually tried to capture the Japanese market with the HUEG
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-12-13-why-xbox-failed-in-japan
this is relevant
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>>256897972

lol those are minor flaws at best.

The only flaws I really recognize in this list are the blue coins, the fact it's got less levels and level variety and the pachinko machines, but none of them are even serious enough to make me reconsider playing.

I don't understand what beef everyone has with this game, it's a fucking blast.
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>>256897997
>B-BUt it had RE2 and an SRPG!!!

I take everything i said, the N64 is such a mature and adult console
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>>256898148
>It's far closer to compare it to the difference between Wii and PS3

you gotta be kidding me, the difference is not that big
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>>256897263
The only games that were online for the Gamecube were Phantasy Star ones and a Japan-exclusive game, and the servers were hosted by SEGA until they got shutdown and people made their own for it. Plus, there's only like four games that support LAN.

Nintendo wasn't that interested in having online play so they didn't encourage it, so I'd assume most dev's figured it'd be a waste of time to put something the nintendo audience might not even play into a game.
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>>256898305

>Quality.

You are 100% wrong about that. The Game Cube didn't sell, but it had great games.
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>>256897647
or maybe it was because it had the best games
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>>256898498
> I don't agree that it is a mature console because the notion of maturity being an inherently positive trait in a videogame is utterly fucking retarded

Nobody cares that you think your console makes you appear grown up. Maturity doesn't have an inherent place in good videogames, maturity is a theme that can only be explored by mature people, otherwise you get all the try hard shit that the PS2 and Xbox tried to appeal to the edgy highschool kiddies.
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>>256898298
>cord goes to your body instead of console
WHO THOUGHT THIS WAS A GOOD IDEA?
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>>256898825

Yeah, so many people on /v/ playing Forza and MAdden NFL right now.
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>>256898305
So are you telling me the Wii had the best games?
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>>256898918

well, tell that to every developer who didn't make a game for the nintendo/gamecube because they thought the console was for kids and they wouldn't see much sales of their games in them
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Only like 2% of PS2 owners went online with their console, so online was a non-factor faggots.
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>>256898370
first: too colourfull
2nd: casuals cant emulate it on their macbooks
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>>256898370
How is the first thing not a huge flaw
Took all the fun out of platforming
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Minidisks severely limited the size of games
No media functions
No online plan despite the capability to do so with the ethernet adapter

Other then that it's a solid system that just lacked what it's competitors had
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>>256899103
>So are you telling me the Wii had the best games?
Yes. Maybe not for you, but for the wider population.
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Sony marketed the PS2 towards middleschool children who wanted to be "grown up" and did a really good job of it. Meanwhile NoA and NoJ were working against each other in terms of marketing strategies and both managed to miss their respective marks entirely. NoA targeted actual adults for some reason, and NoJ targeted an audience that wasn't old enough to appreciate their games until very recently.
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>>256897318
>the only difference where frame rate and lightning most of the time

And half the resolution.
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>>256899048
we're not talking about now.
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>>256898825
No one fucking cared about the games when the thing was coming out, what made you think it stayed that way till it's death?
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>>256898703
They still put the option in the console that was meant to be super cheap. The online gaming for console just wanst THAT big at the time.
Funny enough though, nintendo had online cappable consoles some gens before gc.
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>>256898298
i kek'd on myself
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>>256876451
DVD playback is what made my parents buy a PS2 for the house. Bluray playback did the same for the PS3.
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>>256898698
It's not THAT big, but it's way more significant than some piddly "you'll barely notice it" thing. We are talking at the point where the PS2's graphical deficiencies will hurt both gameplay and immersion in some titles.
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>>256899432
>nobody cared about the games when it first came out
source?
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>>256898370
>>FLUDD reduces intensive platforming in all areas that aren't the secret stages
game was still fun and replayable as fuck
>240 blue coins
get use to it, 120 green star and the Mii sticker are just as worse. it's finding 120 star in 64 but faster
>>I'm a chuckster!
you need to aim right also:

Blooper Surfing > Koopa boarding
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>>256899226
Because it is not true.
It is not like they took sm64 levels and gave mario a jetpack as easymode. The levels are all designed around the "gimmick" and is still hard at enough places.
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>>256899486
>anecdotal evidence

this really doesn't work anon, post some source or something
I mean, i literally knew no one who bought a PS1/PS2 to play CDs or DVDs, mainly because they were kids who couldn't care less about movies or music

Then again, I'm mexican, maybe the DVD thing was more marketed in america
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i still see ps2 games coming out. who the fuck is making nba 2k15 for ps2 still??? can someone please tell me?
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I loved the shit out of my gamecube but it didn't do as well as it could because:

NO DVD PLAYBACK
THE DESIGN
THE COLOR
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>>256881958
Because Gunpei Yokoi's Virtual Boy failure was actually Nintendo's failure in retrospect, and his philosophy was once again proven rock solid with the Wii, DS, and 3DS.
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>>256899564
No

The resident evil pic you posted has literally the same difference from this one shot
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In the mind of /v/ the Gamecube games were perfect in every single way and certainly NOT RESPONSIBLE IN ANY WAY for the machines failure to sell and so it was either some little quirk with the hardware that was responsible (*gasp* mini-DVDs! *gasp* online that nobody cared about at that time *gasp* the controller *gasp* the purple color *gasp*) or that Sony and Microsoft (those faceless corporations!) conspired to keep the Gamecube down.

AHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA
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>>256899118

That's not why they chose to ignore Nintendo, they chose to ignore them because of several reasons involving losing the sales race, losing the marketing race and also pising off many people with their archaic business practices like they did in the N64 gen when they cried bitch tears about having the rights to the cartridge technology and charging ridiculous fees to allow companies to put their games on cartridges. The technology being too expensive and obsolete, most companies decided to go with the Playstation because it was alot firendlier to third party support and the CD format opened a far greater potential for videogames.

Then, in the Gamecube, they kept being stubborn by insisting they'd use a different storage media. Nintendo always liked to have some kind of brand gimmick since as far back as the N64.

Financers, marketers and developers don't choose their consoles based on whether or not kids play them, that's an underaged little shit argument you're making. Because if you wanna talk about a kiddie game, let's talk about the Ps2 being the console that every highschool 13 years old kiddie owned back in our days. Don't forget we used to be the underage shit we now hate and the PS2 was much more of a console for kids than the Gamecube, because the Gamecube and the N64 never showed any pretense of being a console for adults or mature people, it just aimed to entertain while the PS2 had a shitload of this Rap culture shovelware mashed together with Fast and Furious and big booty chicks that tried to appeal to the highschool kiddies.
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>>256897732
Dramatically worse. Everything but a few scattered obstacle courses was easy, tedious, and dull. Fewer levels, most of which were extremely similar. Less platforming and more running around empty beachfront properties. Sunshine kept 64's filler stars and added even more like blue coins and Shadow Mario chases in each level. It's not a fun game.
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>>256899376

Well okay, let's talk about what people played back then:

Forza
FIFA

Oh...shit.
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>>256900243
what's your point?
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>>256891348
It's really just this. Nintendo had, and has continually experienced a long chain of fuckups in it's appeals to the gaming market, but sony had the suburban dad market from the get go. They weren't even playing the same game.
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>>256900062
It was either

A

People cared enough about [mini-DVDs / purple lunch box / minimum online services / the controller / lack of marketing / lack of mature "vibe"] enough that they didn't want to buy a Gamecube

or

B

Maybe the first party games just weren't that good?

Occam's razor, bitches.
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>>256899715
DVD and music was huge point for a ps2 here in europe.
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>>256900062
>In Electronic Gaming Monthly (issue 147), Metal Gear Solid creator Hideo Kojima was asked about the possibility of MGS2 coming to the Nintendo GameCube. Kojima responded to EGM, “When I pick hardware to do a game, I don’t look at the specs of the machine. I don’t really care about that stuff. I don’t care about how good the system is, because all consoles right now are at about the same level of power. I look at the audience that it has. Releasing a Metal Gear game on a Nintendo console would be ridiculous. I don’t know about GameCube, but [their] machines [until now] have been for younger kids.”

>Imamura told IGN that a Silent Hill game would be too adult-like for the console. “Not likely,” he said. “The machine will probably be good, but the demographic will be largely younger gamers initially. That doesn’t really fit in with our market for the Silent Hill series.”

>“Our target is high school students and older, not Nintendo’s grade school demographics,” said Minako Gotoh, an executive at FromSoftware.

http://www.dromble.com/2014/01/07/dolphin-tale-story-of-gamecube/

jesus man, im not sayin the gamecube is a kid's console, im just saying everyone else thinks so
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>>256900062
>Rap culture
>Fast and Furious
>big booty chicks

High school won't last forever anon. I know the jocks are assholes right now, but don't be so bitter. There might even be a chance for you to be a cool kid someday, you just need to stop defending fluffy childish nick jr video game consoles on the internet.
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>>256900443

A just goes back to the argument that the DVD gimmick sold a lot of people because kids wanted both those things. A new Playstation that is also a DVD player, you get to be the double cool kid now. Owning gaming consoles is a status thing for kids.

And B, well it had great first party titles, so it's probably not because of that.
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>>256900443
You can't argue Occam's razor when the simplest answer is consumers acting like consumers.

You are just a complete fucking retard, and I don't even care what side you are arguing for.
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>>256872486
Peoples standards on home consoles began to drop.
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>>256900062
the ps2 library is huge, your statement is pretty ignorant
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A reason for some of its failure was the decision to use mini dvds, which could only hold 1.5 GB of data. While their competitors at Sony and Microsoft used DVDs which on average held 4.7GB of data/ around 8GB if dual-layer. Which was a lot more space for developers to work around with. Explains the lack of third party support for the Gamecube, or lack of any games in general.
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>>256900769
you gotta be fucking kidding me, what kind of kid buys fucking movies over videogames?
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>>256900757

Yeah man you're probably right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a04ciBAtat4

This superior PS2 gem is obviously trying to portray the life of the projects under a very mature light and also tries to remain in absolute good taste.

Clearly the making of this game has nothing to do with the popularity of rap music and tuned cars in the teenage youth of late 90's to mid 2000's
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>>256900769
>And B, well it had great first party titles,
According to you / neckbearded game reviewers. However the general public voted against with their wallets.

>>256900770
And what is consumers acting like consumers? I'd say it's consumers gravitating to the best games at the lowest price.

And wasn't the Gamecube the lowest price? Oh, so maybe it didn't have games good enough to satisfy mainstream audiences?

Listen man, I'm not gonna play along with the hugbox "assumption" that Gamecube had excellent games "just cos". I'm trying to look at the sales data and try to work out the truth.
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>>256872486
>dat feeling of pressing the power button and feeling the half second vibration of the disc spinning up
>doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo doo DOO
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>>256900287

My point is that the PS2 had an avalanche of shitty games and all the games we like on the PS2 are the games nobody played because most people owning PS2 were normalfag kiddies playing the Forza and GTA.

Meaning that those games are the games that sold the most on the PS2
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>>256901159
It wasn't the diversity or size of the library that moved systems, though. I'm not trying to cast PS2 players back then all in the same MTV-shaped mould or anything as spiteful as that, but christ, the killer app was GTA even though it was multiplat.
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>>256898298
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>>256901580
Forza was never on any playstation console, and GTA has always been a great series.
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>>256901404
Gran Turismo, Grand Theft Auto, Final Fantasy X and Metal Gear Solid 2 were among the best selling games of the PS2

Animal Crossing was one of the best selling Gamecube games, I guess all gamecube owners are boys and girls who like to play pretend, am i right?
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>>256901580
Nothing wrong with games like Gran Turismo or Forza, they are very enjoyable racing games. Hell, better than any racing games on pc in terms of content.
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>>256901536
It was consumers gravitating to certain kinds of games at the most agreeable price point, yes.
This doesn't actually speak for the quality of the GC's first party games in the slightest.
Learn when to use quotes, please.
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>>256901767
According to all the sources I can dig up, ps2 had the second highest attach rate, slightly behind Xbox, so clearly GTA hasn't the only thing they were playing
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>>256901536

The public played sports games mostly so your argument makes no sense, you're basically saying that the public actively voted against good games.

Seriously, dude, nobody played MGS2 and all our weeaboo RPGs except Kingdom Hearts that met a crushing success with teenage girls.
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>>256901767
Not even 1/10th of the PS2 owners had Grand Theft auto, anon
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>>256901371
Kids/teenagers are THE target demographic for both of those and also music.
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>>256872486
games weren't cool back then
if that shit came out now it would have sold better
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>>256900610
>3 literal who developers

stopped reading
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>>256901997
MGS2 is one of the top selling ps2 games, and as for weaboo games FFX sold more than Kingdom Hearts
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>>256901821
All vidogamea are play pretend you retard.
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>>256901536
You are moving the goalposts to some fictional world that shows how underage you are. Even if video game consumers are somehow immune to marketing now nowhere close and more informed than average people who buy other things probably less than most, they definitely were not that way before fast internet access was a given. Why do you think games will often spend as much as half of their total budget on marketing?
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>>256901767
Are you scoffing at GTA 3? Discounting Nintendo's past innovations and gamechangers, name one title of the GCN library that had the same impact as GTA 3.
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>>256902310
no they're not
>>
the console wars basically went

ps1 wins the marketing war
ps2 rides the marketing train to victory
ps3 completely fucks up with problems, letting wii win the marketing in a different way
wii u completely fucks up with problems, + the casual market really not being all that reliable or just moved on to the other consoles, ps4 takes advantage somehow and resumes the selling spot.

I'm kind of hoping the Wii U fails because Nintendo usually tries their best with games when they're the underdog. When you have an underdog console, weird games like cubivore, chibi robo and killer 7 sometimes come out
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>>256902402
K name one that isnt.
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>>256872486
probably that shitty fucking controller
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>>256878089
>>256877730
>nearly the whole list is shit games or not exclusive
lol
sonegroes are the worst
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>>256872486
No Gaems
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>>256901970
>This doesn't actually speak for the quality of the GC's first party games in the slightest.
Well it does. Nintendo games are created for the sake of profit by trying to make the greatest number of people happy.

If a game is failing at its own objective then it's not a quality game. I think we can objectively say that the Gamecube games didn't reach the audience that was intended.

>you're basically saying that the public actively voted against good games.
What YOU think is a good game. You might hold up Persona 4 as a good game, but a person from the general public might hold it as a bad game.

Who is to say who is right? That's where consumer democracy comes in. Sales.
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>>256902348
Smash brother melee :3
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>>256902472
Play pretend is just another term for role-playing or at least completely identifying with the character you play in the video game, what game it is is irrelevant.
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>>256902454
I really wonder why people think that the ps360 didnt rely on masses of casual too. No console would sell over 10k in their life if it wouldnt be for causals.
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>>256902659

And you used Animal Crossing as an example?

You think you are MEANT to play this game while role playing?

So you mean to imply that next time I play Sim City, I have to dress in a suit, pretend to be signing important papers as I practice speeches and discuss around a table with a comittee?
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>>256902552
>sales=quality
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>>256902552

I think I understand now.

You judge game quality on the numbers of sales it generates...

...but you don't even play them.
That's really fucking interesting.
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>>256902115
there's no arguing with you
according to your logic the ps2 was kiddier than the gamecube in general, i don't know in which world you live where adults want to play smash brothers and mario , i already posted here >>256900610 that the general assumption of everyone was that the GC was a console for kids

Im not even stating it, im just saying everyone thinks so
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>>256902892
that guy wasn't me
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>>256903094
not him, but im sure he's talking about what people in general thinks, not what he thinks is a good game
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>>256898298
>that smiley
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>>256903102

No, but I live in a world that says that while the Gamecube was popular amongst 5 to 10 years old, the PS2 was popular amongst 11 to 17 demographic and those are still immature kiddies.

Just face it, videogames are for children, all of them even those with big titties and they always have been, this argument of which console is the kiddiest is fucking retarded.

If you expect to see anyone above 13 years old on Modern Warfare, just give up.
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>>256903094
>You judge game quality on the numbers of sales it generates...

I judge public perception of game quality. Not whether a game is objectively good quality (like there is such a thing as objective quality haha)
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>>256903612

I never implied that there was objective quality in taste.

I simply implied that you should play the games and make an opinion by yourself, but I didn't perceive your argument the way you intended me to perceive it. If we're talking about numbers, you are entirely right.
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Gamecube was the last console that only played games.

Let that sink in, people.
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>>256872991
I have 3 Game Gears and none of them work.
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>>256903859
I did, I don't think Gamecube games were bad, just a missed opportunity. In that massive article on Gamecube that people keep linking,

Miyamoto seems to regret that he didn't come up with like a non-violent GTA3 esque game. He considered GTA3 to have very good gameplay. That's the problem...Gamecube games didn't really have much in the way of innovative gameplay. I think for many people maybe the issue was not so much quality but deja vu. With the Wii Nintendo actually did innovative quite a lot.

But this is just like my personal opinion
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>>256903606
you're really pulling the"No real adults play games anyway" card?

My original argument was that nintendo was considered to be a console for kids, then you started sperging out telling me about mature games for he mature console, now you end up saying stuff like this

im done with this, you fanboys are like women, never using logic and just yelling out for whatever you want
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>>256904043
*ahem*
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>>256904109
Well no shit son that is because the world supplies of batteries is not big enough for 3 game gears at the same time.
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>>256882331
It used GD-ROM, which had about as much data as a GameCube disc if my memory serves me correctly.
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When will
>what went wrong
become a bannable phrase?
Yesterday, the whole front page was littered with WWW threads. Like, every single thread.
Should've capped it.
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>>256904510

That's the panasonic Q and was exclusive only to Japan, dumdum.
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>implying I'm not emulating Baten Kaitos: Origins right now instead of playing one of my 30+ steam games and other shit.
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>>256887673
Admittedly, WW could probably run 1080/60 on the PS4.
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>>256898298
>CRT
my nigga
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>>256904314
Gamecube had a lot of new gimmicks in its games.
>sunshine had fludd
>wind waker had sailing
>donkey kong had a rythm game and then a real game with that device
>there was a pinball game that you control with a mic
>pikmin
>chibi robo
>mario kart has teams
>1080 got avalanche tracks
>wario ware on gc
>Gamecube games didn't really have much in the way of innovative gameplay
If anything the gc games had too much innovative elements.
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>>256904865
What is www?
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>>256904043
both Wii and Wii U only play games too

Wii can play DVD if it's modded but that doesnt count
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>>256905129
gimmicks don't make a game unique though

But you're right about pikmin and chibi robo
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>>256905129
Yeah but Nintendo had to choose gimmicks that nobody was interested in. And I mean NOBODY. Even if the fanbases didn't like that stuff.
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>>256905346
>netflix
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>>256890829
this nigga gets it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWnoOjP9IA
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>>256872486

The fact that the GC never got a Grand Theft Auto port feels like a major blow. Just not having it damaged the perception of the console.
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>>256905530
Netflix is an application, that doesn't count. Plus it didn't launch with those capabilities, it got them late into the life cycle, and the only Wii that they sell now a days is a top loader that only plays Wii games.
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>>256905273
What
Went
Wrong
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>>256905739
>b-but

ok, what about wii fit, you can't seriously say that it is a game
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>>256905461
>NOBODY
literally wrong
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>>256905907
It is a game that you use an uncommon input device for and that will get boring if you dont set yourself a goal.
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>>256906283
Got it, you could watch pictures from your flashdrive in it
suck it
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>>256906546
You can use your gameboy player to watch the gameboy advance TV shows on

so technically the gamecube did something else than play games

:^)
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>>256905853
I don't see the problem, it's just a thread starter for a general discussion of whatever
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>>256906637
well, i was saying that since the beggining, so yeah
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>>256906771
Then why did you talk about Netflix on the Wii?

:^)
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>>256906865
because i replied to someone who said the wii only played games, im the guy who posted the panasonic q
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>>256892758
FIFA 14 released on PS2, PS3, PS4. Fucking Europe and South America
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>>256906637
Is there a video of someone doing that?

I want to see it.
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