This is a reminder that Samus is canonically an emotionally unstable woman of average height who is crippled by extremely severe daddy issues and a near-Elektra Complex for her surrogate military father figure. She also has memory problems that manifest in an inability to keep track of the fact that her arch nemesis' primary gimmick is coming back to life after he dies, rendering her helpless upon seeing him until her male friends rescue her.
This is the end of your friendly reminder of Nintendo canon.
Are Metroid fans the worst Nintendo fanbase on /v/?
No, you're forgetting a couple.
>New Metroid game
>Samus is on the run from the Federation after the Space Pirates got clever for once and framed her for assassinating somebody or something
>Other M is canonically a video game made by the Federation to turn the public against Samus in the hopes that it will increase the chances of the common people turning her in
>Urban exploration and combat in bad parts of space colonies
>You have to use scans and collect evidence exonerating yourself and incriminating the Pirates
>The final level is a dash to get the files to the universe-equivalent of wikileaks
Everyone hates Other M and Nintendo is well aware of that, so it's likely that they'll ignore it's existence in the next Metroid.
Nah, that goes to Smash, but Metroid has definitely gotten up there. Pisses me off that my favorite series are now surrounded by trash.
I honestly really liked this concept. even if she is pretty tall, the suit being like 9 feet really makes you feel smaller in the world.
Never played Zero Mission or Fusion?
You should give them a try. It actually does her personality properly.
Daisy/Peach fags normally get along well, it's Rosalina fags that are the bothersome ones
besides, it still doesn't compare to the amount of bitching in Metroid and Zelda threads
Even though Fusion was weak I could buy the Samus/ Adam relationship there.
>Adam follows the GF's orders because he's the kind of guy who follows orders and the chain of command
>But he's not so stupid that he can't see that Samus has a point that the X is not a threat that can be contained so he defects
>Ok so what do we do?
>Well simplest solution is to blow up BSL station
>Samus decides to just hit the self destruct button, a reasonable conclusion
>Adam, being a perfect military mind (lel) and a super computer, tells her she's working too hard and that she can just throw BSL at SR388
Samus gets to continue being the space badass and Adam gets to be the genius that points her gun in the right direction. Both are made to be semi-competent without the other being demeaned for it.
On /v/ specifically? Definitely, alongside Smash fans.
Everywhere else? Smash, Zelda and Pokemon are far worse.
Though DK fanatics get an honorable mention for the Expand Dong and TV show memes, and for all the Kremling faggotry.
As far as I know it started out that Samus is capable of sabotaging their entire plans of galactic domination because they keep putting in tubes that can conveniently morph ball into. Then it expanded into making fun of the fact that almost every endevour they work towards only serves to kill and maim all their own people.
Will people ever get over Other M and stop whining about it? I mean, I know it's fucking terrible and the worst Metroid game by far. but do we really need threads complaining about it? nearly 4 years later?
Well we still have Mass Effect 3 threads to this day so I guess. At least until we get a new shitstorm to laugh at. Has anything been that bad on that scale since the MOM and FUCK YOU fiascos?
She did not depend on the AI in the game, hell after a while she went after her own upgrades and the codes for the doors and when he said she shouldn't explode the station he had to lock the doors to stop her she very much made her own decisions
>If it's 3D everyone will bitch about how Other M and Retro killed the classic style.
>If it's 2D everyone will bitch about how Other M killed 3D Metroid.
>If it's third person it'll be called Another M regardless of its quality or style.
It'll never improve.
That's exactly the point I'm making. She'll take advice from it but only when the AI's goals align with her own. When the AI told Samus to leave Samus told the AI to fuck off.
just to be clear, I didn't like fusion either, because I didn't like the idea of Samus being part of the military
the suit that absorbs the life-energy of enemies and can protect against superheated conditions, and move at full speed underwater, and many other insanely powerful things doesn't sound like government issue, certainly not the sort of thing they would hand out to a bounty hunter or a non-officer
it makes more sense for her to have magical bird-technology and exist on the fringe of civilization...as a BOUNTY HUNTER
so both games, fusion, and other M, fucked up her character
and prime had decent lore but lots of internal inconsistencies, and the typical "I have no fucking idea what I'm writing' problem of phazon being both the cause and the result of everything
In her suit, yes, but she mysteriously grows a lot taller when her suit is on. Scale is a fucking mess in Other M, honestly, since Anthony actually shrinks when he puts his armor on. Comparing characters' heights is practically pointless.
If we are talking about worst Nintendo fanbase I would say its FE, the fucker do nothing but bitch about everything, at least Metroid fans talk about what they want and the only game that is universally hated on /v/ out of the whole franchise is Other M
Wait a minute in Fusion Samus was still a bounty hunter and she got injured while working on the bounty. Yeah Samus took a few things on loan from the GF but she was still her own entity.
Yeah, it was actually painful watching the interactions between her and the AI after playing Other M, I downloaded last week the game for the VC and when she talked about Adam I whinced because what she said and what the game showed us was completely disconnected, hell even how the AI acted was different as fuck
>No ridged shoulders
>giant ass hips
>shota dick arm cannon
Not at all.
In fact I'd say the Metroid fanbase is one of the best fanbases on /v/ as a whole.
It's the Samus fanbase that is so terrible.
Other M gave the Metroid fans a serious hit, definitely made it worse for the wear, but even now serious Metroid discussion is great and fun to be a part of and it happens pretty regularly assuming it doesn't get derailed with softcore Samus porn.
They are pretty shitty when they complain about their lack of games, when they had an absolute fucking insane overabundance shoved down everyone's throats for two full generations. Fucking 3 Metroid Primes (with remasters for 2 of them), a handheld Metroid Prime spinoff, a pinball spinoff, another full 3D game, and two 2D games.
Not going to forget what greedy pieces of shit they were for screaming about needing another Metroid Prime and pissed that DKCR was getting a single fucking sequel a generation later, while MP got a full trilogy and then some.
And they're pretty annoying in Smash threads too. Like, fuck, if it isn't huge arguments over Ridley, it's about how underrepresented Metroid is, as if a game series lauded for an atmosphere of isolation and exploration has a rich, well-loved cast of characters to draw from.
>In fact I'd say the Metroid fanbase is one of the best fanbases on /v/ as a whole.
This is the most hilarious thing I've ever read.
No fanbase even comes close to as terrible, not even SMT fags, mainline or Persona.
Nintendo have stated that they're working on both kinds of Metroid games, so we might be seeing two games in a somewhat short time span.
Also, from what the interview said, it seems like the 3D game will be inspired by Prime and not Other M.
But she didn't enlist, she just worked to them that time because she wanted to answers to what the fuck was going on in the station, hell they even made up the condition of her taking one of their own spaceships if she wanted to work with them that time
>Not having a visor notch
>listed as a negative
>I ask Tanabe if the fact that Samus is female changed his approach to how she interacted with that world, and he reponds that while they were careful about the way they animated her, it wasn’t specifically because she was female but more that they were reticent to “simply make her feel powerful by using powerful looking or barbaric animations.”
>“Through the discussions with Retro,” he says, “we came up with keyword ‘elegant’. She’s beautifully elegant, but also powerful.” Tanabe demonstrates what he means by suddenly grabbing his translator by the collar, pantomiming a hand-gun to the translator’s head, and explains that one of the scenarios they ran through with co-creator Sakamoto is how Samus would react to a Space Pirate taking someone hostage.
>“What we heard from him is that she would not yell ‘hold on!’ She wouldn’t show any emotions at all, she’d just bring up her gun and hit the pirate with a head shot.” Tanabe loosens his grip on the surprisingly unfazed translator and brings his fingers in one slow sweep up to his own head, and with a verbal ‘bajoooom‘ fires dead-eye, leaning back in slow motion, his hands showing us the arc and splatter of Space Pirate viscera spilling from the cap of his skull. “She’s very calm, very professional in killing. She doesn’t show any emotions on the surface, but she’s very passionate inside her.”
Holy shit. Kensuke Tanabe fucking knows what Samus is all about.
The thing is that it really should not have been hard. I can buy that out of Samus's entire career of blowing shit up she'd eventually run into at least one person she really really respects. So when MOM said it was going to explore their relationship I figured they were going to show us why. So what did we learn about Samus's and Adam's past and why Samus respects him so much.
>Well he called her "princess" after she acted like a brat while enlisted
>He let his brother blow up one time and didn't show a lick of emotion
That's it? That's the mystery? And then the entire mission all he does is treat her like she's a pain in the ass and shot her in the back for no reason. So...why does she respect him more than anyone else again?
The androgyny of Samus' armor was one of its most defining traits from her first appearance onwards. I think that's something that should be preserved in successive designs- whether or not the audience is actually surprised, it's still rewarding to see Samus come out of her suit at the end and feel like you're being let in on a secret.
And not only but Fusion made he seem like a tactical genius when he made one stupid decision after another, hell he coulnd't trust the one person who would win absolutely nothing from the GF cloning metroids
Man, they really need to give Metroid back to Retro some day. Maybe not now, but eventually.
I really like their justification on why Samus is a female; they wanted to have a powerful character without resorting to over the top strong animations.
Maybe I'm just crazy, but for me the worst thing about the Other M suit is the feminine V shapes on the torso. It's so unsubtle and just screams "VAGINA!" like shitty "symbolic" feminist paintings.
>Zero Mission showed her get sentimental at the memory of the Chozo
>Prime showed her mourn dead GF troopers
>Metroid 2 showed her sparing a hatchling that by rights she was supposed to kill, whether by mercy or by giving it to the GF to exploit
>Super showed her nervous about Ridley being back and sparing animals that she really didn't need to
>Fusion showed her sparing the same animals again and the relationship between her and Adam and that her relationship between her and the GF was not ironclad
No it's cool. There was nothing there
Maybe because the fucking armor was made to bird warriors and not for a fucking human female?
That's why people hate Other M? Then they're just a bunch of crybabies.
The premise of the game was to make a different approach to the Metroid series, if that means actually giving a shit about characters emotions since they're humans after all. It's natural they made Samus like that since she's a woman and had a very rough childhood.
Next time you fagets will bitch about how made Link talk, Fox missing his dad or Mario show his love for Peach.
>That computer reminds me of a gruff Federation CO I served under named Adam Malkovich.
Whether it's because she was enlisted or if it was a joint operation we don't know
In Fusion she's hired to protect scientists doing research when she is attacked by the X. The X takes over her body when she's flying her ship causing it to crash into an asteroid field.
They rescue her from the escape pod and surgically remove her suit, give her a Metroid vaccine to save her life and then loan her a ship when the Station researching her infected suit goes dark. They hire her to investigate why the station went dark. It's never implied she's a Federation operative, merely that she is working for the Federation on contract.
Every Metroid except the original is "mash buttons with no regard to precision or timing to win" casual trash.
Oh yeah, I forgot about that part, in MOM she has a retarded flashback with her working for the GF whiile using the Power Suit
Yeah, bad excuse, its not like she went into the room with the a legendary bird warrior or anything
I'm going to imagine that it was Sakamoto's retarded idea to have Samus actually be enlisted, and the writer subverting Sakamoto's intentions by making it deliberately ambiguous.
It's part of my on-going headcanon narrative where Sakamoto is Japanese George Lucas and always had terrible ideas which were salvaged by the developers, and the moron in the director's chair ended up with all of the credit.
I agree that the bottommost one is excessive and makes her codpiece look like a thong, but I don't think repeating V shapes on the torso are necessarily feminine. The Federation armor in Prime 3 had something similar, and it was still pretty masculine.
So it's Rosalina's fault for just existing, rather than the Daisyfags for throwing a tantrum? lel
You mean the ones done in response to all the Daisy shitposting? Let's just be honest here, they are the ones who started it and contributed to it. The Rosalinafags then responded.
>being THIS mad over the size of a gun
Because as far as they knew no human was going to use the armor that was reserved for the ultimate warrior of their own race, why do you think they gave her the original power suit? The legendary armor was locked in the holy palce of their kind, the only thing it changed was the helmet since she did not have a beak or horns
When ZSS, we had shitposting threads for a whole month, sometimes 5 at the same time.
The Shiek thing is recent news, give it 2 or 3 days and it will calm down, because no fanbase is as terrible as the Metroid fanbase.
The only rival was when Rosalina was revealed, but it wasn't even close to as cancerous as Samus threads.
Both cause the same shitstorm. People are afraid that their favorite characters aren't getting in, because of filler shit like the announced newcomers so far. That's why you see people being happy that other characters get deconfirmed.
Yes, haven't you ever played a Metroid game? It always goes pew pew pew and shoots little slow moving pellets like Megaman.
Heck, in the original/Zero Mission, they didn't even travel three feet before fizzling out.
Top 5 worst Nintendo fanbases
You'll never get through to them. They'll continue to live in their persecution complex world where Rosalina getting in Smash or being an extra in the post-game is on par with being shoved maliciously down people's throats.
Meanwhile Rosalina fans don't start shit on the fact she doesn't have her own game, when Captain Toad is getting one, or that DK, Yoshi, Wario, and Luigi all got their own games spun off from Mario being the main character in their first appearances.
That is part of what happens when any new character gets in a Smash game. The Daisyfags started shitposting right away, the Rosalinafags laughed in their faces, and the Peachfags just kinda sat on the side contributing.
I think that should prove my point about the Mario fanbase.
Man I'm really wanting to catch up on all these Metroid comics/manga...
>hating on Hilda
>hating on Rosa
>hating on May
>hating on Serena
>hating on Flannery
Bunch of furfags, they aren't actually loud or relevant
Girls and minor Isabelle furfags
>worse than Zelda and Metroid
>the fanbases who throw shit at each other MUH 2D TITLES PRIMEFAGS FUCKING OOT IS SHIT SAKAMOTO FUCKING KILLED METROID
Someone please just dump a bunch of cool fanart so I can save it and get the fuck out out of this tread.
Constantly complaining about fanbases accomplishes jack shit, when we could instead be discussing Metroid in this alleged Metroid thread.
I'll agree to disagree there.
Got -some- fanart. Gon' be dumpin' it periodically.
This one's my fav tho.
You didn't specify fanart of what
Before, the only cancer were Lynfags and Micaiahfags, but they were few and FE discussions didn't revolve around waifufaggotry.
Then Awakening brought this harem of uguu animu waifus and then shit like this became the standard for your average FE thread >>256666469
Top 5 most desperate Nintendo Fanbases
I don't see why Mother fans are so damn desperate all the time. Their games got the resolution it wanted. The gameplay itself was shallow and dull. It's a neat little diversion, but it's not the sort of things that NEEDS to keep going.
Never getting a game again. Dead IPs
On the risk of never getting a game again because G&W bombed
One-shot IP, bombed and won't be a sequel
Miyamoto got generous and they're getting a new game (gimmick wankfest) for Wii U
But that shit that is plaguing everything, every single game people will come with waifuism bullshit in it and saying /vg/ makes retarded threads is like sayiing water is wet and you need to breath to keep living, hell look at the number on the KS thread and tell that is not a obssessive hellhole
>it's likely they'll ignore its existence in the next game
This is, unfortunately, demonstrably false. Smash Bros uses Other M Varia Suit designs, as well as Zero Suit. Samus' link on the Smash website? Other M's website.
>Other M's website
It's Metroid.com, the website for the whole series. It's only covered in Other M stuff because that's the last time it was updated.
I wish there were more pics of Samus in casual garb. Not Other M related gear or Zero Suit.
Or would she be one to wear regular comfy clothes?
Well she does frequent bars and cities when not hanging out on the ship
>in order to get the bottom right ending you have to beat the game on hard mode with under 15% completion in under 1:15:00
>Everything after Tourian kills you in one hit
FUCK. THAT. SHIT
Eh I'd put Zelda behind FE at this point, but yeah I agree. And I really like Zelda too.
>HEY GUYS DID YOU KNOW THAT ZELDA A IS SHIT?
>NO ZELDA B IS ZELDA A IS BEST YOU FUCKING FAGGOT
>ZELDA C IS OBJECTIVELY THE BEST ZELDA
>EAT SHIT ZELDA B IS BETTER THAN BOTH
>FUCKING KILL YOURSELF FAGGOT
>SUGOI KAWAII DESU LINKU-KUN
I'd fund that.
>kiddy Samus in-training under watchful Chozo parents
>babby space jumps
>morph ball training
>firing at tiny bugs/animals with training arm gun
I want this now.
The worst assholes and casuals you will meet. Also cause the most drama to any fanbase.
Normalfags and loud autists treating Mario as a deep game. It's actually cringe-worthy to listen about any Mario discussion.
Chill fanbase until ruined by the Dong meme. Now it's just Retro & Rareware infighting.
Can't be taken seriously anymore with the amount of autists and Yoshi being sold as a toddler game now. Only popular for the "haha" and "Playing Yoshi makes you gay" meme.
Underrated, but now being used as a fart joke and greedy jew developer. Also spawned pedofuckers.
Fanbase fights itself for any silly reason. Ranges from Normalfags, Autists, Waifufags, Fedorafags and Nostalgiafags.
It's either Prime and 2D infighting, Sakamoto bitching and people sexualizing Samus too much. Doesn't help that the Smash fags treats the Metroid fanbase like shit, because of their Ridley obsession.
Closet harmless Pedos and people praising Itoi as a god.
Has a deep hatred for Nintendo, and hate Smashfags for wanting F-Zero be turned into a beat-em up. Grumpy Grandpas.
Like Zelda, tons of infighting, boogeyman calling and autism. Also spawned a new sub-genre of furries.
Chill fanbase. Has a rare case of infighting when comparing about which Kirby game is the best. Sound cringe-worthy when they talk about "lore".
Beyond help. It's either gay furry shitposting, talking about Krystal and people just wanting the series to be rebooted again. It's the worst fanbase so far, despite Pokemon and Zelda being bigger. They hate themselves.
Used to be a chill fanbase with a little bit of waifu shitposting. Now after their latest game came out, tons of infighting, waifu shitposting became stronger and the Smashfags talking shit about them.
Pretty chill with a little bit of meme-posting. Waifu shitposting is also there, but they don't complain big. Hated by Smashfags for being "Sakurai's chosen child".
They are pretty normal so far, for being a small as fuck fanbase.
Ruined by Smashfags.
All three of these franchises are jealous of the success of the other ones. Just want their series to become recognized, despite knowing that Smashfags will ruin their fanbases completely.
>implying Samus raised by them retcon didn't already do that
What? Ancient extinct race of chozo? You were just behind me the whole time? Oh, you know I never would look there!
Free-exploration space perhaps?
Can head for different missions or bounties. Follow up on leads, go around hunting big bounties for Federation credits to buy some bitchin upgrades.
Find your Chozo family's relatives.
I kind of want a Fusion sequel and yet at the same time I don't. Now that Samus and the GF are at open odds with each other it could be a chance to see other parts of the Metroid universe. On the other hand Adam is now a permanent part of the Gunship, which means we're going to have to deal with that flavor of nonsense too.
I can agree with this to an extent. The camera itself wasn't the problem, it was the linear level design and the stupid doors that keep forcing you in one direction. You know in addition to the other stupid stuff like playing Where's Waldo and movement in a 3D plane being bound to the d-pad. Open the map up, make the scanning not stupid, and refine the controls i.e. a better way of using missiles and the only thing you'd have left to worry about is the writing. Which never should've been an issue since I was under the impression it was understood that the actual plot only serves as the framework for why Samus is there but for the most part it's in the background.
>>Other M is canonically a video game made by the Federation to turn the public against Samus in the hopes that it will increase the chances of the common people turning her in
>Implying the federation will release a video game that paints them as biological warfare-developing fascists
>Metroid spin off
>Play as a Galactic federation trooper in the war against Space Pirates circa Prime 3
Would you play it?
The quote was real, but it probably was just a joke. Samus has been shown in her childhood, and she was still a girl even as a toddler.
>Oh god I hope this fictional character validates my disgusting deviant lifestyle
>linear level design and the stupid doors that keep forcing you in one direction.
As linear as Fusion was, at least you still had to explore the sector you were limited to. Other M is basically just a straight line.
>playing Where's Waldo
This in particular pissed me off, since scanning is easily my favorite mechanic in the whole franchise. Honestly, how does one fuck up scanning that badly when it was such a piss easy process?
>a 3D plane being bound to the d-pad
This speaks for itself. Just plain retarded.
>the writing. Which never should've been an issue since I was under the impression it was understood that the actual plot only serves as the framework for why Samus is there but for the most part it's in the background.
Metroid has always been a series that strives on show don't tell. Keep that shit simple.
Other M's biggest sin was ignoring Samus' adopted Chozo family and saying that Adam was her "father figure." Old Bird, Grey Voice, and etc raised her from the age of three to around 13-14 or so. Does that not count for shit? Also Samus shares actual DNA with the Chozo.
Metroid is ruined forever. Even if they literally retcon everything about Other M, it will remain a black mark over the franchise, and Nintendo for defending it.
I don't care about the whole Shiek is a female thing, but it's the same situation. They've come out and said one thing; they can't take that back. The ambiguity has been lost.
Samus a shit
This thread is now about Science Team
This seems like a Disney movie that needs to be made.
"Me and My Metroid"
They go on wild adventures and get in fights.
This. Holy shit this. She was raised by aliens, which in itself speaks volumes about who she is, and is most definitely a much more imortant part of her story than some dude she used to work for.
The manga was great for the first half. The second part is mostly meh, but has its moments. Mauk and Kreatz can go fuck themselves though.
>tfw Retro had concept art for it and never used it
There's enough there that any half competent writer could bullshit together personality for her better than what was in Other M, but that's not saying much. Metroid never needed much story or characterization.
That said, the Samus I imagined was a cold, detached individual with very little feeling of shared humanity due to being raised by aliens.
I knew Nintendo would never make a character like that, though.
Well someone posted a link that I thought explained her really well. She's not a sociopath but she she's not overly emotional. If someone were to take a hostage and use him/ her as a human shield, Samus wouldn't freak out. She'd just coolly line up her shot and put one between his eyes without exchanging a word.
>Fucking magic space birds, goddamn space dragons that can breathe in space and comes back to life in nearly every fucking game in some way shape or form, magical living energy that can bring locks to life
>A fucking melted dinosaur that turned into a GODDAMN SKELETON after being SUBMERGED IN LAVA still somehow surviving, AS JUST A SKELETON, if only for a few moments and THEN collapsing
>Goddamn ghost brain eyeball that uses ghost flame magic
I laugh at thee.
Well most of those could be explained. The Space Pirates area menace in general, and the Metroids are incredibly dangerous when people start messing with them. Which is usually all the time. Usually by the Space Pirates.
I can't tell if equating me with Charlie Brown means you're agreeing with me or not. Maybe I really am Charlie Brown.
Hyrule Historia is kind of a similar situation too, now that I think about it. But at least it served a purpose.
Phazon is good shit, man.
Given that canonically phazon exposure turned Samus into Zero Suit Samus and eventually Other M Samus, it's also the Pirates' greatest victory against her.
last time people said that we got Other M.
Do you really want to see how much deeper the rabbit hole goes?
I hate the Smash fanbase because they defend Metroid: Other M as good, just to spite the people who want Ridley as a playable character.
I don't even care about Ridley being playable, so you can imagine how disgusting I find it that you guys would willingly defend purile dog feces just to spite someone else.
>I think Sakamoto made prime non canon
Good news, you're wrong.
>Sakamoto: "I actually didn't have a lot of input on the Prime series. But when they're doing with Other M here, it's not so much a different universe, it's just a different part of the story."
It could do a full circle somehow.
Like if Nintendo's asked again to make a Metroid game they burrow so far through the Earth they come out the other side and launch themselves into space.
It would never happen but it'd still be cool.
That interview was taken before Other M was released, and other M officially retcons every single Metroid game that came before it. It also retcons his little interview, making Sakamoto a big fat liar.
You can call me ACfag if you want, but the facts don't lie. Other M retconned everything.
Go on, prove me wrong.