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Oh right, babby's first RPG therefore it's better than anything out there.
Seriously this is fact.
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>>256005225
>Reinvent water.
There I fixed it, I'm a fucking idiot.
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>>256005225
As far as long standing jrpg series dragon quest is so much better. I personally can't see looking at the whole series how you'd prefer final fantasy as a hardcore rpg fan.
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>I like playing the same game for 10+ years

Final Fantasy has ambition.

Dragon Quest is lazy and takes advantage of its fans.

THIS is fact.
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>>256006258
>Final Fantasy has ambition
Yeah it has some of the most ambitious corridors I've ever seen.
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Dragon Quest is pretty boring as a series.
Combat is always the same, monsters are always the same and silent protags are weird in a game that has characters that actively talk to you.
Stories are also never really interesting .Something that SMT does way better while keeping basic gameplay intact.


Played some DQ games and enjoyed them for what they were but I'm pretty much done with the series.
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>>256006309

So they experimented a bit with X and XIII and a lot of people didn't care for it, so what?

XII was incredibly open and XV promises to be very open. I'd rather they experiment and find what works and what doesn't than force feed me the same, unchanging thing for the series' lifespan because they're afraid that some fans may not like it.
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The only good game Enix created before the merge was Terranigma, and DQ is shit
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>>256005737
I agree. The best thing that ever came out of FF was spinoffs, and those tend to die slow, painful deaths for one reason or another.
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>>256007857
Name one better turn based JRPG
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>>256008853
Everything that's not DQ
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>>256009024
That's ?-10 I asked for one
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>>256006618
>XII was incredibly open
No it wasn't. It was just areas/zones. Not a single area was as large as Gran Pulse in 13 either.
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>>256008853
Radiata Stories, Chrono Cross, SMT, etc
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>>256009174
I know very well no matter what I say you are going to disagree
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>>256009274
Gave some good examples
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>>256006535
>Dragon Quest is pretty boring as a series.
Cool opinion bro
>Combat is always the same
That's wrong.
>monsters are always the same
Series always have mascot and reoccurring monsters.
>silent protags are weird in a game that has characters that actively talk to you.
No they aren't.
>Stories are also never really interesting
Oh more opinions
>Something that SMT does way better
and shit ones at that.

Also funny how a SMT fag is listing reusing monsters as a fault.
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IIT: DQ fags getting BTFO
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>>256009393
where?
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DQIX sucked ass. Top lel at that kid who had it in his 3x3
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>>256009430
there
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>>256005225
But Dragon Warrior was literally babby's first console RPG.
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I like both series and there is nothing you can do about it faggot
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Being better than Final Faggotry is not hard to do. Unless you are a gay or a japanese fujoshit I see no reason why you would like it.
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>>256005225
Oh fuck, this again.
You wouldn't know this, but making a full, new RPG gameplay experience that's GOOD is super hard. FF attemps this every installment, with varying success, while DQ typically sticks to one type of gameplay they know is successful. Now which is better: fresh, new gameplay that's not always successful, or the same old systems, but have been successful for years?
THAT is the real question
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Do people only hate Dragon Quest because of the combat? There's nothing wrong with the battle system as it stands now.

Hell, if there's anything Dragon Quest did right, it was introducing enemies that are effectively walking level-ups.
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>>256009456
DQIX has an amazing post game and decent character customization
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>>256009749
New gameplay > Playing the same shit with upgraded graphics
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>>256009749
>FF attempts this every installment,
How so? Majority of its games use the exact same ATB combat.
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>>256009902
tell that to Doomfags
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>>256005225
I bet DQ has shit story-telling, and therefore not worth playing.

>Playing turn-based RPGs for anything other than focusing on the story.
>Ever.

Absolutely disgusting.
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>>256009961
Most FF games have different systems like Jobs, the Sphere Grid and the Materia system hell they even switch it up from ATB to Turn based in X
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>>256009749

I find that they appeal to different demographics and tastes, which is a good thing that OP can't seem to recognize. There's definitely room for a little risk as well as safe consistency. I'd say that risk is definitely welcomed more than ever given how stagnation was one of the reasons that led to the shrinking of the Japanese game industry.
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Final Fantasy: A solid series of games until Enix took over.

Dragon Quest: The same shit every time that slowly died out until Enix took over Square.

I love both, but let's not bullshit ourselves.
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>>256005737
Well no, reinventing water makes sense though. At least it made sense to me, because by saying "reinvent water" you are stating that each Final Fantasy always feel the need to have the best graphics of the century, even if they have to sacrifice other aspects of the game to do so.
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>>256010075
This, that's what makes DQ a bad RPG. The stories in all of the games are complete ass; it doesn't help that most of their OST is uninspired, and the characters are bad.
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>>256010204
Let's not forget that shitty Dragon Ball art
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>>256010138
Imagine a world where Square never overinvested in Spirits Within like a bunch of retards and instead maintained relative financial freedom.
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>>256009783
>Switch classes
>character now has 29 hp

Fuck that. And fuck trudging through a non-existant story for a supposedly good post game.
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>>256010252
You just went OVER THE LINE
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>>256010110
>Most FF games have different systems like Jobs, the Sphere Grid and the Materia system
HOLY SHIT.

You mean like how Dragon Quest had a Job system, weapon skill system,etc
You mean like how Dragon transformations are different in all 5 Breath of Fire games?
You mean like how EVERY fucking jrpg series has different background skill learning systems?

Why do you stupid ass FF fanboys think this means FF4-9 are not same damn combat?
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>>256009274
Thank you
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>>256005225
But...dragon warrior was my first rpg.
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>>256009274
>radiata stories
>turn based
Are you stupid
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>>256010110
You little kid.
1 was 1 guy 1 mob
2 was a set party with any number of mobs on screen
3 was customizable party.
These games were released earlier than 1990.
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>>256009741
Isn't it past your bedtime, little boy?
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>>256010204
How can you call the music "uninspired?" Sugiyama himself tests the game's new levels before he composes music for them.

His works are outstanding, easily on par with Uematsu.
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>>256010325
I can't hear you over your tears DQ fag
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>>256010450
He likes SMT, of course he is.
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FF: jrpg for weebs
DQ: jrpg for non weebs
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>>256010518
anon you got those wrong ff is jrpg for non weebs and dq is the jrpg for weebs
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Rehash Quest XXXXIIIIIIIII

Shitty fantasy XIII-4 Versus stupid shit returns
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>>256005225
Dragon Quest turned slimes into a joke. Fuck Dragon Quest
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>>256010075
>I bet
Why don't you go and find outf
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>>256010495
I do like this theme though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPApORVBSns
>>256010518
DQ is waaay more of a niche series
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>>256009182
Are you really touting the one open area, which is utterly fucking meaningless in the grand scheme of things, as there's nothing there to do besides those shitty half-assed hunts, and then it's back to corridors until you beat the game.
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>>256010497
You mean your own tears from getting told.

It's okay, I know FF fans don't actually play other jrpgs so you didn't know.
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DQ has better porn.
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>>256010267

Imagine a world where the talent never left Square. I have faith in what they left such as Hiroyuki Ito and even Nomura to a certain extent but goddamn it would be nice if they were all still there.
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>>256010558
If only because Square won't release Dragon Quest to the west.

The stories and fantasies in the Dragon Quest series has always been western inspired. Final Fantasy has juggled its image around so many times.

>>256010643
Good taste.
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>>256010653
>as there's nothing there to do besides those shitty half-assed hunts
so just like FF12
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>>256010138
> slowly died out
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>>256010634
I'm waiting for people to give me a good reason to. The title art has already put me off from the start, but I'd give it a chance if people could back the game up for having a compelling story/set of characters.
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>>256010204
Someone never played Dragon quest five or eight
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IIT: DQ defense force at full power
Both series are shit deal with it
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>>256010672
>better porn
>yet another bianca taking the horsecock doujin
eh

then again 99% of FF porn is Tifa being raped
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>>256010493
I always had a boner for Lulu.
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>>256010672
>There are people that didn't marry Bianca
how can they live with such shit taste?
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>>256010874
im talking about the 1%.
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>>256010204
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>>256010847
I doubt you're really that open for suggestions, but you should check out Dragon Quest V if you want to check out the storytelling in the game.
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>>256010873
>mad final fag trying to end this thread because he's this butt blasted
Please get off it dude
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC5LlLYK_hc
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>>256010863
not that guy, but seriously after trying 7 I was worried I would be bored to tears with 8, and it was one of the best jrpg journeys I'd ever taken.
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>>256010938
Because I married superior Deborah
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>>256010161
>because by saying "reinvent water" you are stating that each Final Fantasy always feel the need to have the best graphics of the century

How does that make any sense?
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>>256010996
Nah, I'm willing to give it an honest go. Thanks for the suggestion.
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>>256011009
When did I imply I was a FF fag?
fuck off
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LsWvGFyl98Y
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>>256011118
I thought all 3 wives in 5 were pretty shit. DQ5 is overrated. I had more fun with 4 and its chapters about each character before they all meet up.
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>>256011140
>o-ok then if FF is shit so is DQ
This is how you sound right now
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>>256011118
>Deborah
disgusting.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoFE6Ii1f-Y
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>>256011132
No problem. I hope you have fun

>>256011247
The children are better in the end, anyways.
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>>256011140
It's a dumb aqueenix war thread so I assumed. Sorry
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>>256011263
What ever makes you feel better
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eMGNAe57kFA
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>>256010839
FF: 3 NES, 3 SNES, 3 PS1, technically 3 PS2, but that's when everyhting went to fuck.

DQ: 4 NES, 2 SNES, 1 PS1, 1 PS2, and basicly so on.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72GtbNJAX0I

Final Fantasy has the better soundtrack and this is not debatable
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>>256011283
Go fuck a horse
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>>256010847
5,6,8 are my personal recommendations
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2kTyRd50Xr8
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>>256006309

>Because XIII happened, IV through X never happened

Dragon Quest is stagnant, and is only better than Final Fantasy now because everything is. You really only have to play one Dragon Quest to have played them all.
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>>256011417
Sales never died out, though. Plus the earlier games had tons of ports to other systems. I do think the Squeenix merge reduced the release frame for Dragon Quest games, but they already manage to hit big numbers in Japan.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuG4Mst-DS8
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>>256011027
I love you.
The Terranigma OST is so fucking underrated. In my opinion one the best soundtracks in vidya history

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7ihttXPz7I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TnFQU29LHeM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zeKAB1V4zTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnlLWITyUWc
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>>256011505
So I can tame monsters in Dragon quest nine?
And craft my own party in Dragon quest eight?
And change vocations in five?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpgjzXtiEmg
>>256011673
It's an amazing game, and one of my favorites. I'm just dumping JRPG music that isn't DQ or FF to stay nuetral
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>>256010847
This all depends on what you consider to be a compelling story. DQ tends to stick with the "ancient evil trying to destroy the world" bits (although they do love their "sudden tweest" moments too, like the ending to 3, the secret ending to 8, etc) instead of trying to write some 'critique of modern society' or 'gaming's citizen kane' whatever the fuck. But that doesn't mean the stories are bad. They're usually very well written, they just also happen to be archetypal fantasy stuff.

As for characters, aside from the hero (which is almost always silent, rarely has a default name, and occasionally has a fixed gender) the DQ series goes back and forth between set characters and create-your-own characters. But FWIW the most popular games in the series almost always have the strongest cast of characters (4, 5, 8, etc).

Not sure what you're really looking for here though.
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>>256011118
what the fuck is this from
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Dragon Quest is built on tradition.
Final Fantasy is built on experimentation.
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>>256011673
I like this one a bit
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGaAXs4FlAc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VI7we_wboWc
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>>256011475
How does it feel that you'll never be as good as your own son and even your wife loves him more
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>DQ fags and FF fags are so mad at square for kill long each other's franchises that they fight each other
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>>256012000
DQ fags have a right to be angry you know since it was Square who went full retard.
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>>256011916
Victory Road
Japan only wii game
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fsfMvwxGbxc
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>>256012058
I don't think FF fags wanted lightning either
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GkMZRd0-iQ
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>>256011829
Really liked this explanation, it conveys pretty good what clicked on me about these games as well.
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>>256012221
FF has been going sour for longer than that.

Honestly keep your FF game. Enjoy them and be happy. Just allow me to play the Dragon Quest games that are not shitty iOS ports.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NV29PpPfELM
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>>256012141
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>tfw no slime marketing in the US
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPVB35i4Cik
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>>256012521
>tfw could've preordered 9 to get a cute plush
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>>256012521
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I have no problem with either of these franchises.
But i've never played Dragon Quest.
Because of the fact the localization never happens
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2F0HB5ZqEZA
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>>256012620
Do you have a smart phone that can run Drastic?
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>>256012521
I'd use it
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>>256012505
I feel like I should recognize this character
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>>256012620
What's stopping you from playing older games?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXEz-i-oORk
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>>256012719
No.
I have a 360, Vita, PS4, PC, and PS2.
No phones.
And I'm not going to go out and spend $40 on a PS2 game.
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>>256012620
>localization never happens
Um, every single main-series DQ game except X (the MMO) has been localized.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VixvyNbhZ6E
This one I think is fairly underrated
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>>256012521
>>256012586
>tfw I never ordered the slime controller
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>Franchise has been completely raped by mobile and modern Nintendo
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>>256012843
>>256012843
Play DW 1, 2 and 3 in a nes emulator you filthy casual.
Enjoy having your shit handed to you by skeletons and magicians They're actually fun as fuck
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>>256012843
Can your pc run desmume?
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>>256005225
>babys first rpg
But my first rpg WAS dragon quest
I played it when I was 3, no joke.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMnl7VmfWo4
For fans of Yasunori Mitsuda(Chrono Trigger, Chrono Cross)
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>>256012860
The only game I could play is a DS game.
No thank you.
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>>256012950
The fuck did Nintendo do to it? They're even offering Square their services to localize the game for the west.

Don't tell me the puns destroyed you
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>>256012843
>PC
As long as you don't own a toaster, I'm pretty sure you can emulate all 9 games on PC. Even a toaster will get you through the first six or seven.
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>>256012843
I spent $10 on DQ8 last year
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>>256013051
4, 5, 6, and 9 are all on DS
You can emulate 1-6 easily on a PC
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0WtXthIexU
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>>256013053
>Can't even import VII thanks to region lock
>X has ip block for non-nippers
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>>256012860
the last dragon quest game the US got was Monsters Joker 2, in 2011

Japan has since gotten/announced:
Joker 2 Professional (actually came out before we even got the original)
X on Wii, Wii U, PC, and 3DS
Rocket Slime 3
VII Remake
Monsters Remake
Monsters 2 Remake
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>>256013078
Saw DQ8 for $40 the other day.
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>>256012843
>I'm not going to go out and spend $40 on a PS2 game.
How about $10?

www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?Dragon+Quest+VIII&_nkw=Dragon+Quest+VIII
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>>256013183
I bought a 3DS for DQ7
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cIvxwabSwmw
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>>256013183
What part of "main-series" did you not understand?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U18D6LGjnBI
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>>256013345
What part of the last dragon quest game we got was in 2011 do you not understand
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>>256009591
It came out first, true, but most Westerners cut their JRPG teeth on FF7, FF8, FF10, or Persona 3
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAfbXuMDTSc
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People who bitch about JRPGs always bitch about the same things and always associate everything with FF. Many JRPGs try to distance themselves from FF as a result but rarely do they excel at it and a lot of them just go unheard of in the West.

Grinding is non-existent in most JRPGs outside of DQ and stuff like Disgaea.
A lot of them no longer use turn based combat anymore, even though its not that bad.
Not every modern JRPG is Neptunia or Persona.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpLGkrwtNsw
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>>256013075
You know, I could just play DQ X, oh wait that's right Nintendo region locks every fucking thing.
Most of my gaming is done on the road, on my 3DS (sorry forgot to list that) and Vita.
DS games play like shit on a 3DS.
I mean to be fair I did forget about emulation because it's 4 in the goddamn morning, so I'll give that a try once I have time to play games.
Been playing Injustice and FF Tactics (for the road) alot lately so I'll play DQ after I get through Injustice.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M91LkAoa2K0
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>>256013398
3 years != forever

Complain all you like about the spinoffs. We're only missing one game from the core series... and it's an MMO.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGxvcWIJwUY
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>>256010075
>Playing turn-based RPGs for anything other than focusing on the story.

Yeah, who would ever do that, seriously
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>>256013696
>DS games play like shit on a 3DS.
Wait, what?
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>>256013696
Can Nintendo region lock the PC version of the game? I feel like any IP bans from there are more on Square's fault than Nintendo's
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>>256013464
Except for the thousands of people that got a free copy of DW1 for renewing Nintendo Power.

I wish Enix just left the advertisement for DQ to Nintendo back in the 80's. They most likely could have kept the series going instead of the fizzling out and randomly coming back 10 years later and being shocked it's only selling half a million.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yPhnpEeak4
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>implying DQ itself is not baby's first RPG as well
Lol, console fetuses.
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>>256013530
I honestly for one love the turn based combat (i.e. Fire Emblem/Tactics), but I will agree that most people don't know shit about JRPGs.
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>>256013917
>Except for the thousands of people that got a free copy of DW1 for renewing Nintendo Power.

And I doubt any of them are what we'd call "babbys" at this point. Most of the underage kids these days played one of the others I listed as their intro to JRPGs
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>>256013717
>only main games matter guiz

Dragon quest is dead to Square Enix in the US. It doesn't sell millions with lines going on for blocks when a new game is released like in Japan. This is why we will never get another dragon quest game ever again and isntead we'll get more Lightning.
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>>256013871

>I feel like any IP bans from there are more on Square's fault than Nintendo's

Nah. Just looking at how they treat ARR shows that's not true. It's definitely Nintendo.
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>>256013871
I think you misunderstood when I said Nintendo region locks.
I've never tried it on a PC, but I'd imagine Nintendo has a lock on it.
May as well just try to play Phantasy Star Online 2.
I could get that on Vita in a snap.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BvWPzAg8Ig
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>>256014046
I don't think any RPG outside of Japan has lines waiting for it save for Pokemon.
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>>256013871
No, but only Japanese IPs can play DQX on PC
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuT5ukjMVFw
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>>256014265
So would a proxy work?
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>>256014046
I was damn disappointed with DQIX. The main storyline was very dull and the postgame content was little more than running through similar dungeons or grinding up other classes. And I bought the game when it came out too, so I was hardly not supporting them.

Was 4-6 any better in that regard, or was it the same sort of "go to town, hear sad story, resolve issue" for every location? Because while the little stories can be nice, it gets very boring when that's the only thing there is to do.
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>>256013969
>1986 was yesterday
Fuck off retard
You know what else was being released in 1986?
Fucking Licensed to Ill
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9v1DcE7a1E
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>>256013969
>Implying the series isn't older than you
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>>256013871
Actually the IP ban is lifted. People are guessing it has something to do with the 3DS. Like the ban somehow has an effect on the 3DS version.
>>256013530
Outside of DQ 1&2 you never need to grind in a Dragon Quest game. The series is all about exploring and finding your way around a giant world. So you easily get lost and while lost you fight more enemies than you normally should. But because you are not focusing on battling you don't think about the battles since they always go by fast. That's the secret to DQ. The only reason you need to grind is you are replaying it and know where to go next. Or reading a guide which you should never need for Dragon Quest.
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>>256014349
That's kind of how all Dragon Quest games work. The idea is that the overarching story advances with the slow pushes forward made by helping out the people with their plights.
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>That feel when i like ATB system
>That feel when the old FF games were constructing themselves around it
>That feel when they wet full out retarded later on
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>>256014349
9 focused too much on the self insert and create-a-characters so there really wasn't much of a story.

The others were better.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZC9Tx3rlYk
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If not for Level 5 Dragon Quest would be irrelevant.
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As a long time fan, I don't see how Dragon Quest isn't dead and in the ground.

I've been playing them for years, and DWVII on the PS1 is one of my personal favorite games, but the franchise has never and will never rise to Final Fantasy's quality.

It just won't. It's too boring. It's afraid. It plays it safe. Its games are always a little bit rough or frustrating in one silly way or another. It doesn't care as much for graceful design, or taking risks, and it doesn't have a lavish budget if it wanted to. It's themes aren't as complex and its goals aren't as grand.

If you think any Dragon series entry has approached a game like Final Fantasy VII or Final Fantasy IX in terms of quality, you're wrong. It's not an argument, you don't have any ground to stand on.

Not that I'm saying the Dragon series is shit, because I'm not, but the cool thing to do these past few years has been to downplay the Final Fantasy classics as much as possible, and it needs to stop.
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What is a good site to get Dragon Quest?
And should I skip any of them?
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>>256014662
This guy knows what's up
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>>256014721
If you intend on emulating:

http://emulation.gametechwiki.com/index.php/Main_Page
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>>256014662
>Final Fantasy VII
>Quality
But VII is shit. Why are you using it for an argument?
Unless you're trying to sneakily say that Dragon Quest is the superior series and the entire rest of your post was just in jest.
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>>256014662
10/10 best new pasta for next threads like these
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfUBxhpJGXc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h50x_1C_8kk
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>>256014796
site isn't giving me any working links.
And no ROMs.
Anyone else?
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>>256011916
http://www.nicovideo.jp/watch/sm16963321
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOPZdnRcHGc
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>>256014861
Do you expect people to take you seriously when you spout this shit?
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>>256014349
I was disappointed with IX as well, and I'm a big fan of the series. The story wasn't very interesting or compelling, the writing was weaker than usual, the lack of random encounters made it feel less DQ-like, the create-a-party had no personality, and overall the game just seemed like one giant "but look how much you can griiiiiiiind!" jerkoff.

By contrast, the story's of 4 and 5 are some of the best in the series IMO. 4 is a set of stories-within-a-story, where the first 4 chapters are self contained adventures with fixed characters, but then in chapter 5 the hero emerges and you collect your band of heroes from the characters you built (and came to love) in the first 4 chapters, and your merry band descends into hell to punish evil. 5 is an incredibly ambitious bit tale about the heroes entire life, from birth to fatherhood.
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>>256014662
Anon, I do see what you're saying.

But I think you're wrong in saying DQ has never approached VII or IX in terms of quality, and I love both of those games.

Dragon Quest V is an absolutely beautiful piece of work.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVOFibwVMw0
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>>256005225
>my first rpg was DQ 1&2 for gameboy
always preferred DQ over FF except for FF5,6 and the tactics games
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>>256015052
works fine for me :^)
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>>256006618
you can "experiment", making some of the game bad, but when you're a multi-billion dollar company making the biggest JRPG of the moment, you have no excuse to deliver a corridor simulator
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W69r1-tfY20
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>>256015146
The problem with IX is that it seem like it was just their prototype for what they planned on doing which was X. It still have charm and enjoyable to me. But the game doesn't feel like a mainline game. Like how FFXI doesn't feel like a mainline FF game.
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>>256015336
What I was asking for were ROM's.
You gave me emulators.
I already have an emulator.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jVN2zfLuh8
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>>256015528
If you took the ten seconds to read the page you'd see the ROM sites.
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>>256015174
He's just trolling you.

Also best bud.
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>>256015619
>You will never have someone call you "OI, GUV" in real lifes
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>>256015721
He look tough but he's really a big softy. I'm really attacked to those kinds of guys.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U4jcrbLd90
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZv3hjJz4NI
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn3Q0Tz2zfg
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4d7Adchbmyk
Holy fuck I think this thread is dead
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mDutlw_r-CE
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>>256016415
Kind of like the DQ series outside of Japan.
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>>256016415
Should have made a FF one
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyb_X8XsxvU
Pretty excited for this
>>256016665
Nice
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>>256016665
;_;
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>>256010075
I dunno man. I play games to have fun. I dunno about you, but I kinda thought that was the point of games. I have fun with Dragon Quest.
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>>256009356
>my opinon>your opinion

Cool story Chosen One.
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>>256016827
I'd be excited but the gameplay looks like boring grindy shit.
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>>256011263
Not once have I seen this reaction image followed by a quality post.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrqP2D7IdK0
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>>256017169
The music that was in the demo at E3 made me fucking jizz, and they didn't release enough on the story to judge. The gameplay however is a shame; the environments are nice though
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Daily reminder that there were RPGs on the SNES with no random encounters or turn-based combat, and therefore every RPG with those things released afterwards has no excuse, and is automatically a shit game.

>playing DQVIII
>the inn and the place you resurrect your characters are in separate places

utter garbage
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>>256012610
What the fuck. This is fucking awesome.
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>>256017302
Might I inquire about the given name of that cum dumpster
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>>256017370
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>>256017370
I can see your issue with random encounters, but what's wrong with turn based?
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>>256017596
Welcome to the Ritalin generation
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>>256017437
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FF: for girls
DQ: for boys
KH: for sonic autists

There, you can stop arguing and start having sex. You aren't enemies. You are complementary
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>>256017728
Who is this semen demon?
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>>256017836
I agree with this post 100%
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>>256017925
Her name's Kokoro-chan and she's from G4.
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>>256017836
>You need a sonic autist to have sex
I would live a life of fear in your universe anon
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>>256017370
Random encounters serve a point you know. They are meant to be a game of chance. Do you risk taking that step to get the chest? You see the steps leading up but there's a door there. Do you risk taking the extra moves to see what's behind it? Stuff like that. Where each step could be your downfall.
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>>256012730
those function keys look like they could draw blood
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>>256017998
fuck you don't lie about my kokoro
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>>256018101
Ask for Hercule Barton, she will be happy to fulfill your sexual needs.
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>>256011935
>Dragon Quest is built on doing the same shit over and over.
Final Fantasy is built on trying new shit all the time.
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>>256018251
How.
How
How can you build something if you're not building upon anything
If you're always trying to reinvent the wheel either hit or miss taking into account that if you miss this is the gameplay you have to deal with for 50+ hours why not just getting the core mechanics right, why having to make flashy combat systems that go nowhere, why?
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>>256014265
Last I heard, they removed the IP block on DQX
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>>256018063
>not fucking a FF nigress whale while cuckolding a sonic autist

Best sex ever anon
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>>256018478
That sounds like a once in a lifetime event.
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>>256013224
And? You can get it for a quarter of that price.
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>>256018382
Because some devs arent into stagnation.

Takes some balls to do that and some devs that have faith in what they do.
I wouldnt play FF anymore if it still played like FF1, just like I seriously dont give a shit about DQ anymore at this point.
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Final Fantasy is flashy and ambitious while Dragon Quest is more down-to-earth and consistent. We have room for both.
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>>256018251
>>256019026
>Implying a new way to do the same shit is constantly required
>Implying gameplay even matters for a RPG

There are only so many ways to fucking make gameplay before you are adding pointless, mindless gimmicks that are universally reviled.

In all honesty gameplay hit it's plateau a long time ago, 'development' now consist of people being unable to accept that simple truth.
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>>256019026
Yeah some devs are into FMV budget sinks with the depth of a puddle, I get that alright.
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>There are only so many ways to fucking make gameplay before you are adding pointless, mindless gimmicks that are universally reviled.
>In all honesty gameplay hit it's plateau a long time ago
No.And fuck you for even thinking something like that.
Like holy shit I'm screencapping this post for future use because its so awful.


>>256019345
Mang you're talking about the depth of a puddle while defending DQ, which might be the most simplistic jrpg ever made.
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>>256019804
An FMV budget sink with the depth of a puddle is way worse than a homely game with the depth of a puddle.
At least one of them has its expectations set up and actually conveys something during its execution, and the other is a Final Fantasy game.
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>>256014662
And yet I was a Final Fantasy fan up til FFX and still find DQ8 way more addictive than FF9 my first JRPG, childhood nostalgia couldn't even beat how fun it was and how easily it drew me in. DQ games may not be great to play all the games for some but playing one of them for the first time is fucking orgasmic.
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>>256019979
>a game with more quality aspects is worse than a game with less
Must be true.

I wonder what DQ games try to convey. Outside of trying to get away with changing as little as possible I mean.
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DQ keeps the same battle system but refines it, FF should (or should've started a long time ago) start doing this.

Not to say every DQ game is outright better than the last in every respect. While DQ8 had excellent graphics and production values, even DQ3 beats it out in terms of core battle/party building gameplay.
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>>256020318
>more quality aspects
>being a budget sinkhole that spends 40% of its 100+m production budget in fucking cutscenes
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>>256014046
> This is why we will never get another dragon quest game ever again
No, it's because Square is afraid that Enix's baby will dominate in the west and the east, leaving their lil baby alone.

DQIX sold really well and Nintendo would market DQ games on 3DS but Square doesn't let it happen.
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>>256017836
Actually

FF: Romance
DQ: Adventure
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>>256020445
And they are really pretty too.
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>people think DQ's music is shit

Closest thing to an objectively wrong opinion I've ever heard. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjhujWS73IQ
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Final Fantasy is an offensively bad franchise, from the gameplay to the story to the character and enemy designs.
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>>256020671
>No, it's because Square is afraid that Enix's baby will dominate in the west and the east

The delusions.
No DQ game in the west came close to selling like even the worst FF title.
Not even DQ9 which was exclusive to something as widespread as the DS.

No. The reason is that they think it wouldnt sell enough for them.
SE are stupid and they expect way more profit.
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>>256020826
No FF game takes romance as far as DQ5.

Hell, most FF games dont have any romance plots in them at all.
And I also dont know how FF couldnt be qualified as an adventure.

Your post is shit.
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>>256020921
>No DQ game in the west came close to selling like even the worst FF title.

Pretty sure DQ9 sold more than Lightning Boogaloo m8.
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>>256020921
>Not even DQ9 which was exclusive to something as widespread as the DS.

DQIX sold around 1 million copies in the west.

Meanwhile, when Bravely Default hit that Square acted like it was surprising that people give a shit about JRPGs in the west.

You should also take note that SE barely markets them in the west, IX's success was largely because Nintendo actively marketed the game.

The only excuse for not marketing is not to take away from FF.
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>>256020832
And what do they bring to the table, anon?
What do they actually bring to the table?
You're telling me you'd prefer a flashy game that reinvents itself all the time with the depth of a puddle and I'm telling you I'd prefer a modest game that refines its core components with the depth of a puddle as well.
The only problem is that one of these two opinions is WRONG and the other one is RIGHT.
Protip: The one that's right ismine
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>>256020891
I found Dragon Quest's music to be very hit and miss. Location themes are really good but battle music is dissonant and dull as fuck more often than not.
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>>256021221
Square hardly markets any of their damn games.
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>>256005225
I love both Dragon Quest and FF series, but does anyone else feel that Dragon Quest becomes very monotonous? Not in a bad way, it's still very fun, it's just that I feel when i play DQ for extended periods of time I kinda just fall into a groove where my brain goes on autopilot and I'm like run around, kill monsters, talk to some peeps, repeat. I felt this way with DQIX and FFXIII especially. I remember having a fun time with those games but my entire playing experience seems to be like a vague haze in my mind.
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>>256021547
This is what looking back on DQII feels like
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Oh look its yet another thread about people shitting on a popular jrpg series in favor of another popular one.

Both series are great, stop trying to force this divide.
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>>256021241
>And what do they bring to the table, anon?
They look nice.
You act as if they were a problem of any kind.
Sounds like jealousy because your favorite JRPG series has to use ingame grafics for all of its cinematics.

And yes. I like me some new games. I dont need the same shit over and over again. Not with JRPGs.
Not with most games. Especially not for 10+ games in a row.
Stagnation is a bad thing.

Refinements my ass. A series that evolves at tectonic plates speed like Pokemon manages to refine its gameplay and interface faster and better than DQ.
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>>256021547
DQIX is just a boring game overall. I don't think it has anything to do with the series itself becoming monotonous. IX was the first Dragon Quest game I've played and I hated it. I checked out the other games later and had way more fun with them.
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>>256021540
Square markets games that they publish, Hitman, Tomb Raider, Thief, Dude Sex and to some extent FF

But not Dragon Quest.
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>>256020404
1 and 3
4-9 and 10-2
13 and 13-2
11 and 14
The Tactics games

2 lead to the SaGa games while everything else is a one off.
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>>256021076
Maybe in FF15, all the recent ones have been hallways that steadily change its look as you go on.

You got me on the romance thing now that I think about it but whenever I think of Final Fantasy it's about romance stories. All the FFs I've played were about love, All the DQs I've played have felt more like I was running around exploring an unknown land.

It may not be how you feel about it, but that's how I feel, don't like it, go fuck yourself.
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>>256021687
Only a person who has never played DQ from the first one would say that the gameplay stagnates or doesn't improve between entries.
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>tfw getting to Dhoulmagus in DQ8 at like level 24
I don't wanna have to grind to beat this fucker but the lack of multi-target heals is killing me
I've heard something about a bow that you can use to get full party heals but I got no idea where that is or how to alchemize it and I'm too much of a fuck to use a guide
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>>256021990
>linear games cant be an adventure
Stop being an ignorant nigger.
FFX was an amazing adventure.

And your feeling is retarded as the romance aspect doesnt apply to most FF games at all.
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The objective truth
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>>256022110
>7.7
>8.3
>8.2
I fucking hate people who do this. You better have a damn good explanation for rating something 7.7 instead of 7.6 or 7.8.
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>Downloaded PS1 and PS2 emulators
>Have FF IX and DQ VIII
>Decide to play FF IX first
>all that AP grinding
>great game otherwise
>at disc 3 and don't feel like finishing it but I might because I wasted lot of time already
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I've never understood what the appeal of the Dragon Quest series is supposed to be. I enjoyed the first one back in the day, and IX had semi-decent gameplay, but the other games in the series I tried seemed to lack any redeeming qualities.

I'm not a big fan of Final Fantasy as a whole either, but FF games do at least occasionally excel in some areas.
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>>256022008
It DID stagnate though.
Its a series that does fuckall to shake things up.

Cooler things like Monster recruitment have been delegated into the DQM games and the series is as basic as ever.

And even with the Monsters DQ5 pretty much plays just like DQ8 or 9.
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>>256022271
DQ are so well rounded-up that to get what the hoopla is about you need real investment, not as much investment as a text-based adventure novel but a small effort from your side nonetheless.
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>>256022236
you just passed the worst part of the game which is disc 2
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>>256022225

>This level of autism

Calm your OCD nerd.
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>>256022457
>disc 2
>worst part of the game
You're correct fucking padding, annoying as fuck, and Cleyra talk about a boring 3 hours of the fucking game
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>>256022072
FFX was fun for a bit but that shit felt like it was constantly pushing me in one direction, something that did not feel like an adventure to me and I was like 13 at the time. Shit got so boring I actually stopped playing for a bit.
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>>256022486
What annoys me is you pulling those arbitrary, unnecessary numbers out of your ass. I understand using 10 point scoring systems but shit like "7.7" is just mental masturbation.
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>>256022396
But it did change. Every one has something different to the mix. It just kept the Wizardry system because Horii feels it's simple enough that anyone can understand it. And anyways shouldn't the focus be the story anyways? FF likes to be more handholdy as of late it seems while Dragon Quest is still about giving small stories in each town that all adds to one big story. But you always had room to wonder and find random caves and the like in hoping for nice treasure.
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>>256022110
>Labeling the three XIII games with a single score
They're the most dramatically different games in the entire series, you can't really score them as a series. Lightning Returns feels like some game they reskinned to make an ending to the "series."
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In case anyone didn't now it, Dragon Quest 8 is still one of the best most comfy games of all time, and I understand it emulates well. If you are bored or have not gamed for a while and you have a way of playing DQ 8 pls do so. Go for the EU version for best voices and god tier orchestral soundtrack
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>>256022840
I think he didn't score them because he never played them. Not rating them under one score. I mean look at X/X-2. He rated them differently because they were different games.
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>>256022008
>Single member

>Party with 3 members

>Party with 4 members and the ability to customize 3 of them

>Party but everyone has a fixed role like in DQ2

>Party but with the ability to affect how 2 members turn out and recruiting monsters

>See above but add the customization system from number 3 and apply it to everyone

>Take the above, get rid of monsters and put the class system in full gear

>Party again but the ability to distribute points to unlock skills on level up

>Take the above and mix it with a class system with no retained levels

Well it's more consistent than FF excluding the 4-9 era anyway.
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>>256022779
what annoys me is that they don't just rate out of 100 or use the % system, seeing as thats what they are doing anyway
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>>256022840
....Isn't all the Lightning games reskins to make the money lost on the first game back?
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>>256023045
>consistent
Consistency isn't inherently positive.

Nobody is praising Call of Duty for its consistency, nor should they.
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>>256022824
>And anyways shouldn't the focus be the story anyways?
If you see it like that then I dont even know why you would defend DQ.
DQs stories are basic as fuck.

Like who the fuck play DQ for the story?
And what does handholdyness have to do with story?
How do caves play into story?

I dont understand your posts. They make no sense at all.
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>>256023045
Wait...you can recruit monsters in DQ6?
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>>256023139
>Consistency isn't inherently positive
>le call of duty epic comparison
This is what reinventing the wheel kiddies actually believe
And actually I do respect CoD's consistency of sticking to 60 fps even on consoles.
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>>256023335
Vanilla DQ6 had monster recruitment, the DS version took it out for slimes.
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>>256023383
Oh, that explains it. Pretty ballsy of them to take out such a big feature.
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>>256011119
they did also always do new shit in the water with every FF game, like submarines and secrets
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>>256023136

XIII is actually one of the highest selling FFs. SE lost money from XIV's fuck up. The XIII sequels was to help recoup money from THAT.
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>>256023205
The story and feeling towards the world makes a RPG. That's why I put the idea of caves and handholding. As for straight story DQ3 defeats any story FF came up with. Go back as a kid and play DQ1 and 2 as you explore and learn about that world. Than play DQ3. Tell me that doesn't have the greatest story in JRPG history. As for the others DQ4 has amazing character development and you learn about your history and why you are so important to the history of the world. DQ5 you play the full life of a wondering guy. From birth to fatherhood. It's charming and heartrenching at times. DQ6 isn't all that wonderful in my mind but it's still interesting at times. DQ7 you are basically recreating the world. DQ8 goal to uncurse the castle you call home and help the princess that you love.

Yeah they are all more simple than FF titles but complex=/=good. Sometimes a super complex story is just trying to be complex to make it bigger than it already is. Personally I feel a sweet charming world with nice characters to travel with make a much better game than a game that tries to force a plot that you lost interest in.
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>>256023382
It ain't about reinventing the wheel, it's about changing it. There's more than one goddamn wheel in existence.

>kiddies
You're a condescending little cunt anyway, so blow it out your ass.
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Romancing SaGa > Dragon Quest > Final Fantasy
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>>256024249
Changing what, anon? What?
Staples of a genre?
Why? For what fucking purpose?
It's all flashy, but it's still picking a command and watching it unfold, that's all it fucking is, even if you add combo limits or rythm minigames to the gameplay how can you say the changes FF makes to its battle sequences are not just cosmetic? In what way are they reinventing the genre staple of selecting an action? How can you praise a role playing game with shallow stat mechanics
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>>256014662
Except FF9 is garbage. DQ 5 and 8 are better than any FF game.
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>>256024220
>Find the magic doodads to kill the evil demon man
>greatest story in JRPG history
What the fuck are you on?
Like seriously.

>Sometimes a super complex story is just trying to be complex to make it bigger than it already is.
And sometimes it isnt.
Whats your fucking point?
You think FF games dont have charming worlds and nice characters?
Why? Because they also have a bigger plot?

Dont make me fucking laugh.
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>>256024463
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>>256024497
>even if you add gameplay changing things how can you say that those things are not cosmetic?
Because they arent just cosmetic.

What shallow stat mechanics?
What FF game are you talking about? There's more than 13 now.
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>FF is new every game
This is complete horseshit. FF fans are casual and don't play other jrpgs. The only thing that changed from FF 4 - 9 were how you learn abilities. The combat system was the same.

Other jrpg series change more than this.
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>>256024881
>implying you've even played Romancing SaGa
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>>256024885
>I get extra hits if I hit the button with the right timing therefore it's a completely new gameplay
They ARE cosmetic changes anon, and stats in FF games are meaningless since X.
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>>256025007
You'd be lying if you said that most JRPG series aren't more or less the same thing with minor changes between games.
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>>256025007
>mfw X-2, XI, XII, XIII, XIII-3 are the only FFs that did something new
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>>256025245
>gameplay changing aspects are now cosmetics
>stats are meaningless in FF12

>>256025007
>FF5 has ATB

This fucking thread
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>>256025104
>implying you've even played Unlimited SaGa
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>>256025414
>FF5 has ATB
It does you retard.
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>>256025406
X-2 was V with job switching on the fly and a combo hit system for damage multipliers
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>>256025646
>job switching on the fly and a combo hit system for damage multipliers
So something new
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DQ is the only series I cannot understand how people can enjoy. It's the gaming equivalent of a dried up turd that should've been flushed ages ago.

I'm not even going to mention how the characters and plots are atrocious, because even most fans will agree to that. So, no plot and no characters in an RPG. Already there's little reason to go on.

But everything is so damn archaic! Final fantasy re-invents its gameplay with each installment with additions such as junction, spheregrid etc. Dragon Quest has attack, magic, item and run. In the eighties, that was fine. This is more than TWENTY YEARS later!

The setting is also the generic "wander the forests, explore the caves and sleep in the cities". Tell me, how many times can you explore a goddamn cave with bats before completely losing it? In other series there would usually be something awesome in the middle of the cave, like Maxwell or Ifrit. Here it's just a passageway... Filled with BATS!
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>>256025646
You also didnt get the benefits of multiple jobs at once.

Its pretty different.
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>>256025868
You just described my perfect game with that last paragraph tho
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>>256025868
>Final fantasy re-invents its gameplay with each installment
It does not. Go away FF casual.
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Dragon quest is so fucking boring, ennemies are always the same, the map is so classical and the class have no difference to each other.

Never again.
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>>256025868
Same reason there's eight (seven) main Dynasty Warriors games, and a non-specific amount of expansions and spin-offs. Some people just like a game play style and variations there of. I could probably add most long-running game serieses to this, like Touhou.

At least the various DQ games aren't all based off a single deliberately inaccurate historic account.
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>>256026215
>The map of this classic game is too classical
And having to open your inventory to use a key is too videogamey too.
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>>256024620
The only thing 5 had over the other games is its story.
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>>256026021
FF has more variation in its gameplay between the mainline than DQ between its mainline.

They're both fairly stagnant compared to say Tales or SaGa though.
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>>256026916
Bullshit, tales has been rehashing the Symphonia formula for over a decade and SaGa experiments, true, but always fails at it.

Meanwhile, FF breaking new ground all day with Dissidia, Type 0 etc. Even XIII was innovative, although much to the chagrin of people expecting gameplay.
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>>256012950

Nintendo has nothing to do with the games except publishing a few of them. Take your console war bullshit elsewhere.
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>>256013138

Seems like you should take up issue with SE.
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>>256027421
>SaGa always fails at it
Have you never played Romancing SaGa 3, SaGa Frontier 2 or SaGa 2?

As for Tales, the only games that are super similar are Phantasia PSX/Destiny 1.

Even the aforementioned Symphonia/Abyss/Vesperia trio have some major mechanic difference between them that make them play much differently.
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>>256027421

>tales has been rehashing the Symphonia formula for over a decade

Pretty much true. The only time Tales steps out of its comfort zone is when they let Team Destiny develop and use the cc battle system. Too bad it's only been used on a game we'll never get and fucking Graces.
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The next DQ game has been confirmed to be traditional and for consoles. Why are you retards saying it's dead?
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>>256024463
Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song is really damn good.

I'd take FF over DQ though. FF games are occasionally decent.
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>>256028542

Because this is /v/, 90% of people here are kids who think saying that every game is shit and/or dead is cool.
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>>256028542
Dead in the west. We haven't seen a DQ game since '11 and there have been 4 games and a MMO. All the while SE isn't saying anything about it over here.
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>>256014662
This nigga knows what's up.
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>>256005225

I remember playing one of the DQ games.

Walking from the town you started to the first boss took about 2 minutes of real time.
By the time I'd got to the boss, I'd been in over 50 random encounters. And lost because I didn't grind enough. I'd been in over 100 fights by the time I beat the first boss which was a 2 minute walk away.

It was at this point I realized what the game was going to be like and put it down never to play it again.

This sums up every DQ game ever. An hour long game stretched out over 50 hours thanks to absurdly high random encounter rates.
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Consider the following gentleman.

JRPGs are shit.
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>>256014662
This.
DQ was consistently ahead of FF during the NES and very early SNES era, but have lost their edge since, and most of those games have aged fairly poorly.
I like DQ, but none of their games, aside from maybe 5, hold a candle to the truly good FF games.
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>>256025414
FF5 does have ATB.
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>>256009456
It was fun.
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>>256026021
Yes, yes it does.
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>>256030001

DQ VIII is better than any FF game and it's a PS2 game.Actually FF VI is equal to it.
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>>256030128
>FF1-3 all turnbased
>FF4-9 all ATB
>FF10 back to turnbased
INNOVATION EVERY GAME
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>>256030181

Can we stop pretending FVI is better than it is?
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>>256030181
>Actually FF VI is equal to it.
lol no
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>>256030341
>FF1-13 all jrpgs
>INNOVATION EVERY GAME

This is how you sound
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>>256030395

Can we stop pretending we are not shitposting?
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>>256030416

OMG XD KEK
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>>256030445

Can we stop pretending you aren't butt blasted?
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>>256012151
I have 757 hours in that shit and there are still some achievment to unlock. DQIX was really comfy.
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>>256030519
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>>256030418
It's okay if you can't prove your claim that FF re-invents itself every game
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>>256030545

You first responded to my post, that makes you butt blasted :D
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>>256005737
I only liked a few of the final fantasy games. Is Dragon quest really that good? I mean I love the style, but I've never actually picked it up.
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>>256030576
>>256030416
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>>256030181
Gameplay-wise, DQ8 is a SNES-era JRPG. It doesn't have anything over other DQ games except for the very pretty graphics and the beautfiul locales to explore, and the latter is basically negated by the traditionally obnoxious encounter rate that makes walking around any place that has random encounters a terrible chore.
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>>256030581
There is no need to prove it.
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>>256030587

I'll blast your butt girl.
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>>256030632
>>256011829
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>>256030675

Same can be said about any game ever. Except encounter rate.
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They are both good series and I love them dearly.
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>>256030809
Get the fuck out you levelheaded scum, don't you know it's either a masterpiece or unredeemable shit?
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>>256010252
i hated it at first too, but it really grows on you
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>you can't like all of FF, DQ, Secret of Mana, Chrono Trigger, if you like one of them you must hate all others

Wish I could say it's because of summer, but /v/ is always childish like this
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>>256030632
Most Dragon Quest games are steaming piles of shit, hence why no one outside of Japan likes them.

The few good ones are really fucking good, though.
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>>256030632

Both series have couple of great ones and many average games (0/10 i v's language).
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>>256029662
Which game was that?
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gonna play DQ9, its my first Dragon Quest game, what can i expect. will i even like it
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>>256031208
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>>256031475
All of them. DQ is Grinding: The Series.
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>>256031475
An imaginary one
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>>256031560

Play DQ VIII first
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>>256031475
Sounds almost like 8 since it's the only game where you fight a boss really early on. Also sounds like he didn't even try to explore. There a fucking house on top of the waterfall. Aren't you curious about it? He gives a quest to get him stuff which will help your level plus some nice cheese you can use in battle.
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>>256031475

Almost any jrpg ever. Or hyperbolic version of them at least.
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>>256011708
>dat sameface
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>>256030341
FF1 introduced basic elements to the series, the only non online FF where you choose a class at the beginning of the game, standard turn based combat, introduced elements such as the world map, airships, elemental crystals and the like to the series.

FF2 while still turn based completely changed how leveling works and how you progress your characters, unlike FF1 all characters had preset styles.

FF3 introduced a properly customizable job system while still turn based combat.

FF4 introduced the ATB system, active time battle, completely changing the battles to being time based now, enemies now attacked independent from the players input and you could die from standing idle, bringing in a sense of urgency to battles, all characters had preset classes.

FF5, introduced the revised Job system and mixed it with the context of ATB combat, far more control and variety in classes than in FF3.

FF6 had 14 playable characters, all with specific combat skills and set abilities, such as Sabins Blitz, combat still was ATB time based.

FF7 added the limit break system, first 3D FF, the limit system differs from the other ability systems from older FFs in that it's based on a charge guage, still ATB based but with this new limit system in place.

FF8 expanded on the limit system, and also added in the Draw system, also had differnt level scaling to previous FFs, was still ATB based, first FF to use realistic human proportions instead of a mix of SD chibi and proper proportions or chibi itself.

FF9 did not have the limit or draw system, it had a new system in place called Trance, it was also still ATB based and used a cartoony aesthetic much different from previous FFs.

FF10 introduced the CTB system, conditional turn based, ditching the ATB time based system and instead going back to strict turn based, but now with stocked turns, also ditched the explorable world map and pilotable airships instead having a series of connected area maps, also had spheregrid.
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>>256032281

FF11 was the first fully online FF, the first FF to have fully real time combat, you create your own character avatar from scratch and only control one character, introduced a new system known as the RTB system, which was a variant of the ATB system, being an on like real time battle system with the cooldowns seen on the ATB bars in place for commands, meaning it ditched the CTB system FF10 introduced and was back to a time based one.

FF12 was the first single player FF game to feature real time movement in battles, battles were no longer random nor was there transition, they were seamless on the overworld, you would control and move around one character on a map and be able to freely switch to other party members whenever you wanted, it used a variant of the ATB system called ADB, active dimension battle, commands like attack and item were dictated by the ATB charge bar but movement was still completely free regardless of ATB charge, there was a system in place called Gambits which allowed you to change how your other party members would act when you aren't directly controlling them, but you can still switch to control them directly any time.

FF13 ditched this ADB system and introduced a new system, CSB, which was another variant on the ATB system, Command synergy battle, battles were back to battle transitions, but enemies still showed up on the overworld, there was no world map, no towns, no airships, only a string of linear area maps leading from one to the next, battles had you only control one character directly while the other two were automated the entire battle, you had sets called "paradigms" which allowed you to change the other party members move pools, but that was all you could do for other party members in battles.
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>>256032363


FF14 was a second attempt at a fully online FF, it's combat is similar to FF11 but still introduced many changes to the entire RTB system, movement in general, commands available, quests, jobs, and such.

FF15 is the first fully real time FF with action ability elements mixed into the combat, a system which is a variant of the ATB known as ATB Kai, which is essentially just meaning fully real time based, similar to 12 you control one character at a time and can freely switch to another party member whenever you want, but unlike 12 there is no ATB cooldown charge in place, all commands are completely free and fully real time without restriction on input, so running, jumping, dashing, dodge rolling, teleporting, selecting magic, items, summons, switching weapons etc, it's all now done fully in real time, and most of those like jumping, dashing, rolling are the action ability elements that are new to mainline FF, and it's also bringing back the traversable world map, pilotable airships, towns and kingdoms to visit, plot about elemental crystals, as well as introduced a slew of new elements to FF such as climbing up on enemies, day/night cycles and weather cycles affected monsters and your own magic, battles are back to being seamless and monsters all appear on the overworld, certain characters use special reticles to aim at monsters, on the fly weapon switching via a customizable weapon deck, and a bunch of other things that I really don't even have to mention to drive the point home.


But please, FF really hasn't changed at all between the games.

>>256030581
Do you enjoy getting told?
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>>256032281

Trance is limit break. And most changes are mediocore and just follow new technology (it's not like FF invented 3d and FF VII should be praised because of it). It's like saying that Football manager 14 was any different than 13 (other than player transfers) and it had thousands of changes. All FF games are 90% (gameplay-wise) and there is nothing wrong with it. But they are not innovative. Have x more playable chaarcters isn't really an innovation.
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>>256005225
I'm not arguing in defense of Final Fantasy but Dragon Quest is an extremely shitty game.
I've played flash games that were more engaging, not to mention Akira Toriyama's artstyle is an abominable eyesore.
It's one of the worst games I've ever played.
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>>256032091
its fanart
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>>256032281
>>256032363
If you the differences between games can be described as in one sentence as a minor change to the battle system then it doesn't really count.
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>>256033320
I summarized the hell out of them you fuck, enjoy your denial though.

>>256032627
>And most changes are mediocore and just follow new technology
ATB completely changed how the games core system functions, Trance is not limit break, I didn't even mention Overdrive in FF10.

The only similarity between FF4-9 is that they use the ATB system, nothing else about them is the same since they all have individual things on top of that.

The only similarity between 1-3 is that they are basic turn based, other than that they are not the same in their game structure.

FF10, 11, 12, 13, 14 and 15 are entirely different from one another and boast the most changes to the series.
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>>256033691

Trance is LITERALLY limit break, in fact some of them are literally the same. Like Vivi his trance is double magic cast which is the same one from FF VIII.

FF IV,V, VI are insanely similar. Last one I played is X-2 so I can't talk about newer ones. But couple of little changes isn't innovation. Z-targeting from Zelda was innovation, Renaming Limit Break to Trance isn't.
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>>256033691
>The only similarity between 1-3 is that they are basic turn based, other than that they are not the same in their game structure
Not him but I can say the same thing about DQ. 1 had you as the lone warrior. 2 added party members. And 3 added a robust class system that allowed you to change jobs whenever you hit level 20.

Hell FF6 as you describe is basically what DQ4 did on the NES. The whole party member with each having something different about them. Except you actually got a full story with each of the characters instead of a quick line or two for most of the characters.
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>>256032643
>not to mention Akira Toriyama's artstyle is an abominable eyesore
I like the monster designs, but faces are always very samey and not particularly appealing.
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>>256033907
Not even the guy you're arguing with, but what you're saying is patently, completely wrong. Trance doesn't work like Limit Break and there's no double cast Limit Break in FFVIII (or any FF for that matter). You have no clue what you're talking about.

Also, Z-targeting was something they've introduced in OoT and hasn't been changed since, which makes it more comparable to the introduction of ATB than anything else.
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It really saddens me that people who have never played the Dragon Quest series mistake traditional stories for bad one.

For the most part, almost every Dragon Quest except maybe 6 or 9 has much more mature, grounded and well-paced storytelling than Final Fantasy, and I'm saying that as a pretty big FF fan.
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>>256032448
>traversable world map, pilotable airships, towns and kingdoms to visit

Type-0 already brought that stuff back three years ago. Still kind of looking forward to XV, though.
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>>256009768
I need to see my character when he attacks\do skills.
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>>256038340
Not something I actually like, much prefer text based output for battles.
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