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Why the hell are buffs so powerful in dark souls? It upsets the

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Why the hell are buffs so powerful in dark souls? It upsets the balance between weapons. For example, a falchion is a high dps, quick striking weapon, but the downside is it's relatively low damage. With a buff it's main con is completely removed and it deals more damage than a fucking Murakumo. Katanas are already ridiculously OP and now they receive a huge damage boost. What is the reasoning behind this?
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>>255874981
Mainly talking DMB and Sunlight blade here.
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>>255874981
if buffs we're shit you wouldnt use them and would complain their useless

what exactly we're you expecting?
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>>255874981
Because magic is OP.
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>>255874981
You are vulnerable whilst buffing your weapon
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>>255874981
To give your mom's dildo that extra oomph.
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>>255875227
Dark magic is especially OP holy fuck. The great soul spear thing that people like to spam has some pretty fucked up hitboxes on it, but that dark magic damage is fucking ridiculous.
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it's a singleplayer game, who gives a fuck.
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>>255875169
They don't need to be shit, they need to be good enough to compensate for any damage that was lost when you put points in faith/Int instead of Dex/str.
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>>255875426
>dark magic

you knew this was going to happen, didn't you?
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>>255875439
More like co-op game
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>>255874981
>not casting reverse buff
Thread is over. Op is a retard.
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>>255874981

there are 2 ways buffs are used in dark souls I
first being a tradeoff of reduced physical damage for increased magic damage and access to spellcasting

and the second for an insanely overleveled character who just wants to 1 shot bosses in ng+7

in the context of pvp at sl100/120/135 the tradeoff of decreased physical damage for a weapon buff and spell casts balances it out, the weapon buff can be easily countered by something like crest shield and even the most powerful spells can be countered with well timed dodges

27/40 quality is still superior to buffbuilds, builds focused around buffs encourage bad play, yes you will do more raw damage then the quality initially but as soon as the buffs are gone you are at a huge disadvantage
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>>255874981
>limited uses
>timed
Just run around until they end. That's what I do.
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>>255875485
I know, but the damage is still fucking retarded. If you could roll through that, you could just as easily roll through basically any other magic attack, and those won't 1 hit kill you if you mess up. Basically makes dark magic the only desirable form of magic as it's a basic straight upgrade.
may be talking out of my ass with that last comment because I've never been enough of a pussy to use magic in a souls game
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>>255874981
>balance between weapons
The fuck are you smoking nigger
What did you THINK you were playing?
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>>255875619
This makes sense, but it could still be argued that most duels are over before the 60 second timer on the buff.
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>>255875921
Yeah that would've probably one-shot me. The cast times on dark orb and dark bead should have been reversed.
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>>255875426
>dark magic comes out
>pure int with enough str for the staff
>level 45
>1 shot o&s with dark bead
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>>255876021
Fuck you.
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>>255875485
is your character supposed to be a cowboy bebop reference
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>>255876646
No it's representative of white people.
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>>255874981
it's rather trivial, I'm not sure why this is so confusing for you.

Light fast weapons don't have high damage per hit, but benefit more from buffs to compensate for low base damage.
Slow heavy hitting weapons still benefit from buffs, but less.
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>mfw I still play this more than 2

II just keep trying different play styles did a full dex Katana run next I want to do magic then faith. I just love it.
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>>255876646
I see it
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>dark souls 2
>sun sword
>500+ AR with some buffs/rings and 50/50
>shortsword tier speed

retarded

stopped playing pvp because fights were either trivial, a gank, or some laggy shitter
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>>255876805
Large hard hitting weapons require a heavy stat investment and are significantly slower
Dumping points into Faith or Intelligence and buffing puts your single hit damage on par with heavier weapons, but are also much quicker and lighter allowing for faster hits and more maneuverability
Heavy weapons are 100% outclassed by slow weapons unless you manage to stunlock them and even then there's nothing stopping someone from taking a buffed weapon then stacking poise
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>>255877431
Every dark souls 2 fight
>triple buff, shield up, fish for lag stabs
or
>spam magic
so fun
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>>255877610
Yeah, and they get more damage from scaling due to stat investment, and they have better poise damage.
Not to mention buffs are temporary and have limited uses.
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>>255877613
pretty much

another thing that annoys the fuck out of me in 2 is poise

why didn't they just nerf it a little bit from 1? in two you can get a guarenteed 2 hits with any fast weapon

the last patch supposedly buffed poise but i only notice a difference when you're swinging and get hit

i just hate fighting kids who just mash r1 and do 40% of my hp with their buffed katana/curved sword/ spear
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>>255876032
you could, but im in no rush to kill my enemy and the longer the fight goes on the more likely my opponent is going to make a stupid mistake
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>>255875485
is that on PC? what are those post effects??
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>>255878009

>"mash r1"

is this a meme? do people seriously get mad over this?
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>>255879321
Sharpening and lens flare.
The effects clearly were made when the video was edited, not actually in game.
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>>255874981

Weapon buff builds tend to be very powerful with enough soul levels invested, but they can be dealt with. Stalling is an effective tactic, especially when you're fighting a build that is more reliant on a buff than the weapon to do damage. Once the buff goes away, they'll be forced to either continue fighting with a lower damage output, or risk being killed if they try to apply another buff.

>>255875272
Almost all players will allow you to buff before attacking, so this is barely a downside.
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>>255879321
http://youtu.be/FXpdupcgw-w?t=10m26s

You should follow this anon's example: >>255879513
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>>255879513
ah
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>>255877613
>only triple buff

It's not Dark Souls 2 until you're running GMB, Sacred Oath, Resonant Flesh, Numbness, and Dark Weapon
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>>255879868

I actually do this, what's the problem? I bet you're going to say wearing full Havels is cheap too.
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>letting people buff their weapons
why?

you are literally letting them make themselves stronger.

if they cast a spell you would try to hit them, why not with buffs?
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>>255880258
Oh, but I do. I never let them cast anything without punishment.
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>>255880009
People just want fights to end in a single backstab like DaS1
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>>255880386

Well they do for me, my Dark buffed Dark Velstadts chime bell oneshots everyone on criticals.
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>>255880258
muh honor.

when the game first came out i remember having to buff before they got close or as they were spawning, but now almost everyone just lets you buff.
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>>255880258
It's like Super Vegeta vs. Semi-Perfect Cell. You have people like Trunks who pussy out and want to win when the opponent is weaker. And then you have people like Vegeta who want a challenge.
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>>255880258
People bitch if you don't. It's more convenient to just let them buff then lame it out, or just kill them anyway.
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>>255881237

>guy invades
>bows to me
>I bow back
>he uses Crystal Magic Weapon
>I use Great Magic Barrier and equip the Crest Shield
>he shrugs
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>>255881706
>guy invades
>bow to me
>charge up and try and get a hit or two before he can dodge
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>>255884129
>needing to gank people to win
Get a load of this casual
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>>255874981
Because buffs add AR on top of the weapon.
This means that weapons that have low damage to start for it and compromise that with their moveset (such as richard's rapier) will turn into rapetrains.

Likewise, high-damage weapons benefit less.

Unless you're one of those fucking assholes that tumblebuffs a moonlight greatsword with crystal magic weapon to get a 850~ magic AR weapon.
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>>255881706
Every time https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZfVuSgGu2p4

I still don't get why From decided GMB should give 95% damage reduction for such a long duration. Any magic-damage build just gets completely fucked by it.
And the investment for it isn't even that big, seeing how it only costs one attunement slot, and the faith can be used to get SLB/DMB as well.
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>>255885076
>Any magic-damage build just gets completely fucked by it.
That's the idea.

The only issue is that there's no Lightning barrier.
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Hows the pve in DaS2?
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>>255885807
I think it's better than 1.
but I still haven't finished the game
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>>255885807

Soul Memory aside it's pretty good. Hyper armor is a better concept than poise and weapon buffs are the most balanced they've ever been in the series.
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>>255885807
i had no trouble with it solo, unlike DaS1, so easier? i guess thats the best way to put it for DaS2.
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>>255886770
What do you mean by hyper armor?
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>>255886770

Wait I'm retarded, disregard this.
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>>255886941

Hyper armor is being immune to stuns during an attack animation.
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>>255885807
More focused on throwing gank squads at you, less focused on tightly designed individual encounters.
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>>255887031

>Dark Souls was focused on individual encounters

Full retard.
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>>255875227
thanks for this
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>>255884289
>having mercy on a guy invading you to murder you and steal your humanity
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>>255887376
Oh shit this is fat official.
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>>255887429
>needing to gank people to win
full casual
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>>255887601
>taking souls pvp seriously

its a fucking joke
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>>255887031
I don't necessarily agree... Sure, Black Knights were cool, but the first (real) area you go to, every rooftop on the way to the Taurus Demon, the bridge leading to the shortcut, the first giant boar, the hollows on the buildings over there, the hollows under the buildings over there, the baldyrs on the narrow corridors, the baldyrs in the church, the chaneller in the church along with his 50 little hollows, and the second goddamn boss of the game tend to disagree that DS2 is more focused on throwing mobs of enemies at you than DS1

>>255887706
but it's a fun joke
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>>255887706
super srs guiz
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>>255887992
right

but most souls fags are super serious butthurt fags
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>>255875439
single-player in the third world countries GFWL doesn't support
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