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Any VN fans in the house? I'm a weeaboo faggot and I enjoy

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Any VN fans in the house?

I'm a weeaboo faggot and I enjoy the medium, but it's a minefield of soulless, dead-eyed waifu fantasy porn.

Am I wrong for dismissing all the VNs with H-scenes as empty smut?

I got into G-Senjou no Maou recently. It was highly recommended everywhere by everyone and I was repeatedly assured that it was not a hentai game. Cool story, decent characters, then suddenly I'm listening to one of them make sloppy blow-job noises for ten fucking minutes and watching her take 40 ounces of hot jizz in the face from a giant, blurry anime dick.

And this is NOT a fucking H-game?

How am I supposed to take this cum-guzzler seriously as a character anymore? How am I supposed to take this game seriously when the main menu has a special option to take you right back to the hentai? How am I supposed to take the genre seriously when a top-rated entry dives into hardcore porn at the drop of a hat and that's not even considered worth mentioning?

If VNs are mainly just for waifu smut, that's fucking fine, but somebody let me know so I can stop looking for more from them.
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you do know that in most h games, you can turn off the h scenes right?
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>>255740804

Yeah, I just don't think it's relevant. If I know they're in there, I can't trust the writer's intentions. It makes it seem like they wrote the characters first and foremost as a jerk-off fantasy.
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>>255740559
>i want to play porn games but i hate the porn in it

what
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>>255740559
>And this is NOT a fucking H-game?

but it is? g senjou is an eroge
if you wish there are all age versions of eroge but they're not translated, and i doubt an EOP filth like you could read them
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>>255740932

I like faggy anime stories. I'm just not interested if the goal was to give people boners, rather than to tell a story.
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>>255740932

Well, the best he could is learn Moonspeak and play Console ports of Eroge that some people considered interesting enough to get a release without sex scenes.
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You could just check vndb and see if they have erotic content before you read them.
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>>255741098
then watch anime.
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>>255741098
then don't play eroge
or just ctrl through the h scenes
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>>255741098
Play console ports, I assume someone as pompous as you know Japanese, right?
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The best VNs are the ones without h-content.
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>>255741297

Any particular recommendations?
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>>255741098
I'm actually like you
I love Murder/Mystery ones
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>>255741297
such as?
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>>255741317
sakura spirit.
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>>255741375
>sakura spirit.
>OELVN
gross
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>>255741317
Umineko
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Been having fun with Unteralterbach
Gives me a giggle and a boner every so often.
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>>255741462
it's shit though
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>>255741297
Is a pretentious faggot, but there are good ones indeed without sex scenes.

>>255741369
>>255741317
Simphony Rain, Chaos;Head, Steins Gate.
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>>255741297
>What are Tsukihime, F/SN
Well, h-content there is awful anyway.
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Did you go through Ever-17 yet

Did you buy a DS so you could play 999 yet
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The best VNs are the ones with only h-content.
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To be fair there are good ways of putting that shit in and bad ways.
G-Senjou really dropped the ball and as you say every character became a fucking shitty hentai video stereotype.
Really bugged me with the lead female character as well as the bullshit love story "now I can't do anything without MC's dick" shit they pulled near the end
Sharin no Kuni handles that shit marginally better but not by a great deal

Just look for the ones on vndb that don't have fucking in OP.
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>tfw learning enough Japanese to play that H-game whose CG you've been fapping to for years

Aw yiss, context makes everything hotter.
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all these low levels itt
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Read Muv Luv then come back in 40 hours and tell me how much you hated the first part, loved the second part and had all kinds of reactions to the third part
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>>255741995
Grab some simutaneous machine translations, like VN Translator, AGTH, and others, it will help learn faster while playing the games even, practice makes it perfect.
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>>255742331

That's what I'm doing. My monitor space consists of the game, ITH to capture the text for quick copying, Translation Aggregator with JParser to look up words I put in the clipboard and Anki's add card window.
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>>255742216
Oh the irony, when the series got a really awesome artist, Muv-Luv Alternative, the games stopped having erotic content since the company became big enoug to get by without resorting to porn.
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>>255742216
extra is the best though
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>>255742565
I agree but that's only because I really hate sumika
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>>255742670
don't hate on true love pls
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>>255742472
Are you talking about all ages versions?
As far as I'm aware all the Muv Luv VNs have erotic content anon.
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why are there no western-made VNs?
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>>255742726
But that would be yashiro
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>>255742928

There are. Look on Steam sometimes.

They all suck.
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>>255742928
there's a crapton, anon

now, if those are actually good is another debate
i would say they range between newgrounds tier and mediocre tier
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>>255742772
My bad, I meant Muv-Luv Alternative: Total Eclipse, the newest one, the art is beyond all previous Muv-Luvs, but no Erotic Conten in any way or form, at least not yet, who knows, maybe they could go KEY route, even a company with as much baggage as Key put some Ero in a special version of Little Busters.
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>>255742928
There are
KS is pretty good for what it tried to do but spergs will disagree
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>>255742967
>>255743014
>>255743054
why are there no good western-made VNs? aside from KS
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>>255743054
>>255743135
ks is shit tho
and preemptively calling anyone who disagree with you "spergs" is not a valid argument
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>>255743135

Because there never was a market for them until very recently.
In Japan, text adventures evolved (or devolved) into VNs while they shifted towards point & click adventures in the west (and then died out).
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>>255743304

even if it is shit, it's probably changed alot of peoples lives. how many lives have you changed, anon?
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>>255743406
>it's probably changed alot of peoples lives
literally what?
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>>255743037
Well Total Eclipse is an anime.
I get what you're saying but I guess we won't know unless they made another VN.
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Since some anons talked about Console VNs, I gotta say Radical Dreamers for SNES (Famicom Disk specifically) is really damn good, definitely out of the norm, it’s translated even so I think anyone who hasn’t played yet should check it out.
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>>255743472
TE is a LN adapted into anime who was also adapted into a VN
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>>255743472
>Well Total Eclipse is an anime.
It got a VN release for PS3 and then PC, with a plot infinitely superior to the anime.
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>>255743304
It's more valid than any of the other retarded reasons I've heard for it being shit tho anon.
Feel free to try and tell me how it failed at being a cozy little VN about relationships though.
You won't change my mind and I won't change yours though
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Please, go play any of the What A Beautiful series (Inganock and Sharnoth are good starts).

My favorite in the series is Shiei no Sona Nyl, but it's not translated into English, but it might be in the next couple years.

Saya no Uta is also pretty enjoyable. It's short enough of a game to justify its shortcomings. Not bad for a first VN.
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>>255743472
It was first a Light Novel, then became an Anime, now it's a full fledged VN.

The Visual Novel is the superior one, it could adaptate all of the LN flawlessly and give it some good artwork, actually the same LN artwork.
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>>255743541
>>255743571
>A PC version of the Visual Novel was released on June 7, 2014
Well fuck my shit, I apologize for the ignorance.
Time to wait on a translation
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The only VN I had the patience to sit through all the way was Tsukihime and that was 8 years ago.
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>>255743604
it just screams EOP and baby's first VN
which might not be a problem when you're a low powerlevel casual but when you've read actual VNs it's just not much of an interesting read
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>>255743459

oh, so you don't even know there's still threads on /vg/ about it? it's mostly shitposting now but there are still a few good people. it used to be alot better. you must atleast know the effects the game has had on people though.
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>>255743746
>Time to wait on a translation
That would be great, but really how fucking long would that take?

Better rev up those Japanese Lessons and a Machine Translation buddy.
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Try Higurashi OP
No erotic content and one of the most tense VNs I've gotten though.
Do yourself a favor and download the PS2 patch though
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>>255743793
>EOP
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>>255743610
Mah nigga
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>>255743610

>saya no uta

>saya no uta

>SAYA NO UTA

>SAYAJKARAWRARLDFASGHK
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>>255743845
how the fuck did that shitty game "change people's life"?
i have a feeling the explanation is really sad, and hilarious
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I can only get into nukige nowadays. If I wanted to read a book, I'd dip into my book backlog. However, in order to sate some of my fetishes, I need to go with VNs.
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>>255743878
that's what you are yes
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>>255740559
Why are weaboo faggots such normalfags ?
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>>255743979

It served as an introduction to waifu simulation for a lot of very sad human beings.

VNs can be a real revelation to a certain class of desperate shut-ins.
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>>255740559
H is usually added for the purpose of sales. The porn scenes in Fate for example are garbage and completely out of character, but they're there so it will sell.
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>>255740559
>Am I wrong for dismissing all the VNs with H-scenes as empty smut?
Haha, faggot. As expected from weaboo, you're just a normie.
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>>255744003
Are you the guy who finishes countless of VNs to satisfy your fetish?
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>>255744063
I'm not the guy you're responding to. EOP is just a dumb term
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>>255744003
Then I recomend you Fraternité good fellow, all the faps for you Nukige needs, fun for the whole family.
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>>255743793
How does being a beginner VN make something shit anon?
If you had no interest in it then that's fine but that doesn't make it a bad VN.
It does at least do the H-scenes better than most others I've across.
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>>255740559
You learn to just skim past H-scenes. Consider it a forced break in the middle of reading.
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>>255744130
wait is that about those fat dorks who were all "i-i must run every day to get in shape for muh hinako"
oh god i remember those, hilarious
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>>255743979

a lot of people got waifus after playing it and tried to go and get more exercise, try drawing/painting, etc. i don't really understand what's so funny anon.
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go to VNDB to see if they have mark called "all ages" if it does you can read it without porn
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>>255743979
Well for one it fucking split /v/ in two.
I mean it was more the last straw than the cause but still.
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>>255744332
>a lot of people got waifus after playing it and tried to go and get more exercise, try drawing/painting, etc
>tried to go and get more exercise, try drawing/painting

all that for one dumb anime game? holy fuck that's so sad
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>>255744136
>and completely out of character,
Huh? Besides Shirou being really rough, I don't see anyone being out of character in those scenes, Shirou himself could just be said to be immersed in pleasure by summoning his inner Jackhammer.
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>>255743879
Wow, wasn't expecting someone in a /v/ thread to jump on that so quickly. Amen to you and your niggatastic refinement.

>>255743953
I said it's fine for babby's first, and I can acknowledge that it's not the best VN ever and I didn't fagmode all over it. It's also beatable in 10-15 hours, which is so short that all of the rather minute problems in it are pretty inoffensive. (It's not trying to overdo things like FSN. 70 hours of 100%ing things is fine, but you have to admit that the Fate route is fucking garbage. What's the issue here, exactly?
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>>255744395

LoL and Starcraft are way more to blame for /vg/'s existence than KS was.
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There are plenty of VNs without h-scenes. But I think the ones that have h-scenes are more likely to get translated.
Learn moonspeak.
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>>255744414

Hey, whatever floats their boat. It's better to know they get motivated by animu, than not be motivated at all
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>>255744253
it's even a real VN

>It does at least do the H-scenes better than most others I've across.
yeah, I too love vanilla shit, the h scenes were wasted potential if anything
turned out a parody was better than the actual h scenes
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>>255744189
Yup. Downloaded two last night and two the night before. One of them was in English this time.

>>255744231
Sounds interesting. I'll look into it.

>>255744367
"No Sexual Content" is probably the tag they want.
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That's funny. I like the porn part(unless I hate the characters involved) but I don't like the VN part. I like reading books but reading a story that's just like one of my favorite animes but with static images doesn't seem fun to me. So I play only nukiges and the games with the actual gameplay.
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>>255744231

It's all fun and games until someone cuts off their own penis and dies.
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>>255744610

Why is that such a common thing in H games?
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>>255744443
Hence why I said it was the last straw and not the cause bruh.
the general threads were already crazy but KS just caused a meltdown.
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>>255744604
>play through toshin toshi
>dat ending
>start up toshin toshi 2
>still the horrible collision detection and grind
fuck man, I cant be bothered to go through it all again.
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>>255744493
im just picturing some sweating fatass nerd with a hinako poster above their bed, and mumbling to themselves "fuh muh hinakaw"

pretty funny picture
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>>255744414

open your mind, if it's what makes them happy then who cares? i'm not saying i'm like them. but i can still respect people who want to make change in their life for the better, no matter what the reason. it's really awesome i think, actually, it conveys the power something like a game can have on a person. video games probably have some sort of effect on you too, or you wouldn't be on /v/ right? you aren't so different after all.
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>>255744704

It's that chafing desire to be the little girl.
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>>255740559
I totally getcha, OP. I'm not a huge weaboo faggot like you, but I always enjoy a good story and I've enjoyed playing some VNs.
I've always personally disliked by sex scenes since they're never worth fapping to and they're annoying to skip but it's not a total dealbreaker for me.

Anyway, hopefully we can find porn-free suggestions in this thread that we both like.
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>>255744610
That's almost endgame material, though. Many fucked things happens before, and after too, I was just pulling his leg, Fraternité is really good but definitely not for the faint of heart.
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>>255740559
I don't know why but OP's text made me laugh.
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>>255744793
nah, at least im not some dumb weeb nerd loser who can't get in shape unless it's for his imaginary cartoon girlfriend
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>>255744780

Dont forget the neckbeard. But yeah, atleast they're doing something with their life, regardless how silly the motivation.
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>>255744517
>yeah, I too love vanilla shit, the h scenes were wasted potential if anything
Not every H-scene ever has to have the characters devolve into "my hips are moving on their own" "please get my asshole pregnant onii-chan" you know.
The scenes fit the tone and usually had shit to do with the characters motivation.
Just because people aren't tying each other and shitting on each other doesn't make the scenes wasted potential

I did mention earlier how neither of us would change the other one's mind, assuming you're the same guy
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>>255744934
I thought Starless was boring and far too tame, if that puts things in perspective.
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>>255744951

but you are. in fact you could use some exercise right about now.
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>>255744981
>atleast they're doing something with their life
did any of these losers actually went through with that shit for a long period of time? i bet they all gave up half way through
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>>255744951
>calling other people a dumb weeb nerd loser on 4chan
shit never gets old
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>>255745167
nice assumption, fatso
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>>255744934

I know, I was just kidding.

I mean, all of the fucked up sex cult hootenanny is good enough for me.
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>>255745198

I dunno, I'm guilty of partly giving up after trying to learn japanese, sort of back on track though. But at a much slower pace.

Some may have, I just dunno.
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>>255745276

>nice assumption
>calls me a fatso

oh my.
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>>255745094

So when does something stop being tame for you?
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Anyone got anymore good murder/mystery vns I need more

So far I read
>Umineko
>Higurashi
>OP's pic
>Saya no Uta
>Shikkoku no Sharnoth
>Kara no Shoujo
>Ever 17
>Danganronpa/Phoenix Wright/999/VLR (If these even count)
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>>255745198
From what I remember seeing most of the running guys managed to finish the couch to 5k thing.
Hell I remember people trying to start a KS thread and it pretty much just turned into a running general.
That was when it first came out though, I imagine like most people they've moved on.
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>>255745054
Katawa Shoujo is pretty mediocre. I read all of it, and it was a damn forgettable experience.

One of the things really annoying the entire time was the fact they tried to make it take place in Japan, and it clearly didn't. The people didn't act Japanese at all, it was really hard to believe the setting was where it was supposedly at.

And Shizune's family name being random syllables strung together is still weird as hell. I have never heard of anybody else with that name.
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>>255745345
there's nothing wrong with learning at your own pace. keep up the good work!
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>>255742216
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Play games with tasteful H-scenes like Inganock, or just play ones without H-scenes like Steins;Gate.
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>>255741212
Anime is shit compared to VN's though
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>>255740559
>Am I wrong for dismissing all the VNs with H-scenes as empty smut?

It's basic to remember that everyone has their own cup of tea.
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>>255745094
It does put in perspective, STARLESS is vanilla cake compared to Fraternité.
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>>255745490
>Kara no Shoujo
>Tojiko

Also how does Umineko compare to Higurashi?
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>>255744896
Just learn to skip them man, it's no big deal. You learn to zone it out.

There are some games that simply aren't 18+ though. Rewrite and Little Busters! are pretty good and Grisaia no Kajitsu is getting the 17+ Vita version released on Steam soon. It has extra scenes and CG's compared to the 18+ version. The sex scenes in that one are also purposely bad for the routes written by the main writer, they'll have you laughing pretty bad.
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>>255745671
Umineko is really good up until the point the mood completely changes into "LOVE IS POWER, LOVE LOVE LOVE."
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>>255745656

What does it have that beats the dick guillotine?
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>>255741956

There's an all-ages version of Sharin.

Holy shit, it's so much fucking better without the h-scenes, at least from a story standpoint.

I played it on my PSP backed when I lived in Japan and that opened my eyes. I was playing pandering shit with hentai for years, but the stuff on PSP is top tier.

If you can read Japanese well enough, I suggest pirating some PSP VN games.
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>>255740909
Most of the time h-scenes are just a selling point designed to make more money. Removing them doesn't change the story at all.
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>>255745607
Liar-Soft stuff isn't liked by a lot of men because they're otome games.

I don't really get it. I mean, I understand why most of the fanbase is women, but I don't understand why the male fanbase isn't larger.
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You could try Steins;Gate.
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>>255745871
Because they're legitimately 2deep.

Also, not all of their games are otome games. Inganock and Forest aren't.
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>>255745547
That shit didn't bother me but my knowledge of Japanese culture isn't great.
Then again the Japanese culture stuff I've read in other VNs didn't bother me either.
I don't really think to much about what specific country fiction is trying to take place in and just take it at face value.
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>>255745671
>implying I didn't enjoy it
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>>255745815
What actually happens during the removed H-scenes?
Does it literally just blank over them or is there like an implication of sex with a fade to black screen?
Not that it would really matter as I don't think anything too important was mentioned during the ones in Sharin
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>>255745487
If it's vaginal, it's vanilla.

>>255745656
Sounds exciting. I can hardly wait. Once I've 100%ed Otomaid @ Cafe, I'll look into it.
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>>255744414
>the game got them to exercise and try other hobbies
I mean I'm all for dismissing waifu faggotry but I can't really say that's sad if it's helping them legitimately improve their lives.
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>>255745871

Really?

I thought they were sort of a mix between the two, considering a lot of the h-scenes feature women.

Gakthun genuinely looks like an otome game though. That male protag is too fabulous.
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>>255745813
The plot, the general setting, STARLESS is meant for fapping all the way through, Fraternité on the other hand has scenes which are straight out of snuff porn, the screams and anguish of a particular character (that is a spoiler) is not meant for faps, (at least not for everyone); really the final moments are really fucking sad, even more so due the MC having a face and a voice.
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>>255744763
You should play it. TT was fun but TT2 is so much better. Even the gameplay part(kinda).

Also, in the beginning you should actively avoid Dungeon Warriors. One of their gimmicks is the randomness of their weapons, heads(Char's helmet gives him +30% to evasion) and also money and exp you get from them. Their second gimmick is that they're always as strong as you no matter how much you level up(you gear does make difference though).
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>>255746112

No, it' actually rewritten and/or entirely skipped over/never mentioned as if it never happened.

I guess a few PSP VN's have black screen to imply sex, but there's never any writing about the sex acts in the all-ages versions.

For the most part they don't reference anything at all.
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>>255746289
but the clunkiness of the game is just too much to bear twice. Im sorry anon, I cant do it again.
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>>255746246
>>255745871
They're targeted at both genders. They're just meant to be appealing stories, rather than smut.

In the case of the Steampunk series specifically, the H-scenes really aren't there for fanservice. They're pretty tasteful and used mostly for character development. None of them are really that fappable either. Hikaru Sakurai is very good at writing sex into her stories without degrading the work.

Of course this isn't counting the first game, which is something else altogether.
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>>255744414

I don't think that's sad at all. People like that usually have no one to turn to in real life, so a game is the only way they get positive feelings.

If those feelings manifest into something tangible and they can do something with it, who are you to judge?
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>wants a vn without porn
Anything by R07
Clannad
Rewrite
Busters without the ex add on
Narcissu
Ever17

And as for >not a hentai game
Since even things like old Key works have h scenes in them, most fans don't consider a VN a porn game unless the porn is the main draw to playing it, like stuff by Lilith or Softhouse-Seal. Typemoon stuff all has porn, but it's not considered a porn game since the draw is the characters/concepts/ideals. A lot of Romeos works have porn, but they aren't considered porn games since the main draw is the style of writing and storyline. I've read lots of VNs were the porn is obviously tacked on for 'm-muh otaku sales' and is really totally unnecessary. I've read VNs were the porn is so out of place you can't even get off to it. You just have to learn to live with it if you are going to be a VN fan.
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>>255744434
>I wasn't expecting someone on /v/ to know about one of the most popular vns in the west
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>>255746664
>I don't think that's sad at all. People like that usually have no one to turn to in real life

How is that not sad? That's extremely sad in the non-pejorative, actual, literal meaning of "sad".
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>>255745871

It's because a staggering amount of women work in the eroge industry in a surprising comparison to men.

In an eroge sense, it's not as popular since women don't exactly focus on service > plot. Japanese neet/generic waifufags over there really have shit taste in comparison to foreign fans at large. This applies to waifus, shows, games... pretty much anything and everything.

Example:

plot = WAB series is predominantly written by a female, if not entirely.
exception = Muv Luv has a really great sense of worldbuilding that doesn't need fifty years and fifty side adaptations and guidebooks to explain it all. It also doesn't come off as "hideously thrown in there" like a lot of lore in FSN.

service = FSN. Nasu's sex scenes are pretty much thrown in. They don't contribute to the plot and they're not really trying to be seductive or hot in comparison to other eroge out there.
exception = Fraternity was written and illstrated by one woman, while the Rance series was mostly written by women since jumpstreet.
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>>255746387
Well, okay. Though after playing Rance 02, 3 & 4 I just can't call TT 1 & 2 clunky.
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>>255746770
He wasn't talking about SnU.
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>>255746676
>Clannad
why would you ever suggest this VN ever to anyone. I wouldnt even force my worst enemy to read through it.

It is aweful.
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>>255746778

The way that anon used sad isn't the same sad you used.

He used sad more as a "holy fuck that's pathetic" sort of way.
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>>255746890
>implying after story isn't a masterpiece
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>>255746770
They're not even remotely the most popular VNs in the West.

Inganock is barely in the top 50 on VNDB.
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>>255747057
>its okay to shove nails in your urethra if the afterstory is okay.
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>>255746890

I wouldn't say it's downright BAD, but it really feels like it's overwritten.

It's so damn long and at times can be really boring to read through.

It doesn't get too good until later in the story, which is where the "OMG 10/10 I FUCKING CRIED" comes from.

The other half of the story is more of a chore to read through, and the characters are a bit stereotyped so you know too much of what to expect from them.

If you want something a little better, read "Rewrite".
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>>255747143
>implying Kyou/Tomoyos route aren't a masterpieces
>implying Kotomi/Misaes routes aren't great
Clannad isn't perfect by any means, it's got a couple of routes that are total shit, but it's still a must read for anyone getting into VNs.
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What are some VNs that don't have all this inner monologue and padding like all the fucking breakfast scenes in Fate?
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>>255747258
>It's so damn long and at times can be really boring to read through.
I was ctrling shit after a while because of how aweful it was. And sure the after story is good, but it doesnt mean it is okay to try and kill your audience beforehand by making it a boring piece of shit. I dont even mind stereotypes, the scenes were just too poorly written. When I read grisaia I also fell into a post clannad shock because of those awefully long flashback stories. But unlike clannad the start was good because they had good and fun scenes that didnt get drawn out to painful levels.
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>>255747427
Imouto pet.

It gets straight to the point, and has no inner monologue.
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>>255747370
>but it's still a must read for anyone getting into VNs.
if I want to get someone into VNs I would let them read a fun story that doesnt take a toll on their patience and sanity..
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learn japanese you fucking retard
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>>255747370
I STILL haven't gotten around to Clannad because it's just way too fucking long considering how bloated it is.

I mean, long is fine, but not when so much of it sucks shit.
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>>255747427
>not speedreading with ctrl if they go into bloat inner monologue mode
also for some reason editors are not a thing. Or at least they are afraid to actually do shit.
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>>255747497
How was Grisaia's flashbacks bad? Especially shit like Angelic Howl. Do you not have the attention span for character backstories? I read each of those flashbacks in one sitting.
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>>255747641
Nagisa dies
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>>255747741
I watched the anime before I got into VN's, I think most people have.
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>>255743135

No funding for an actual professional attempt. VN fans are notoriously pirate happy in the west where in Japan they're the SHUT UP AND TAKE MY MONEY variety.
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>>255747715
amane her backstory was just a chore. I understand they wanted to show the desperation of the situation but scenes like the girl hanging herself were perfectly fine for describing the situation. The overdrawnness also took away from the tension, if they used timeskips they could get the pressure up faster and make you afraid of reading on. I was just afraid of reading on because I would get the message that they only went one day ahead after shitloads of useless writing.
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>>255748071
spoiler that shit
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>>255748071
I just don't see how it was useless. Things were happening every single day and you could see the situation cracking as it went on. You're really the first person I've ever heard say that her flashback was a chore, most people think it's the best flashback in the entire novel.

I mean, I understand that they could have just skipped it and used it as "THIS STUFF HAPPENED," kind of element, but that really wasn't what they were going for. It was a story of its own, and it also really showed the personality of an important story character you don't see until Meikyuu.

Fujisaki did what I think a writer SHOULD do, which is show, not tell. He showed us everything that happened, instead of just telling us, "AND THEN IT GOT BAD."
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>>255747802
I always read whatever an anime is adapted of instead of watching the anime when one catches my interest, since 99 times out of 100 the source material is better.
>tfw didn't get spoiled about a single thing in Clannad when I read it
Oh man, I can't imagine how much worse it would have been if I had known.
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>>255748474
>. You're really the first person I've ever heard say that her flashback was a chore,
well maybe you should read more 4chan because ive seen multiple threads on it and most people seem to agree it was too long.

And there is a difference between telling: shit went bad and describing everything. You could cut half of it out without damaging the delivery or information in any way.
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>tfw you will never read ef for the first time again

damn i fucking loved that vn. so many sweet vanilla moments
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>>255748601
This was before I was into VN's, so that wasn't even a thought that crossed my mind.

At this point I don't have much desire to read it since I kind of know the only good part.

Air, on the other hand, I really want to read. The anime was a fairly obviously rushed summary of the routes.
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>>255748646
I don't go on 4chan for VN threads typically. /jp/ is filled with retards that always try to make up shit (they really think the Steam release of Grisaia isn't going to include the Vita content) and /v/ typically has people who aren't very knowledgeable.

Honestly, the only place that's worse is FuwaNovel. That place gives me fucking nightmares. I prefer communities where translators actual regular so you get an idea of what the source material was like.
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>>255748646
I'm curious now, how did people on 4chan feel about the Terra route of Rewrite?
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>>255749361
I dont either but I still run into them. But apart from that amane her route was a long boring slog through a story idea that was nice. If you would let another writer or an editor loose on it Im sure that it will improve
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>>255749361

>Good place for VN Discussion
>Exists

I find that hard to believe. It's either caustic retards who make shit up or aren't very knowlegable or annoying fujoshi
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>>255749652
Just go on the IRC of any fucking translation group, like TLWiki or some shit.
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>>255750298
For what? I think OP got his answer already.
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>>255748835

Would you recommend it to someone who enjoyed Symphonic Rain but disliked Clannad?
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>>255750562
Yes, actually, you'd probably like it.
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>>255750562
Not the same guy, but I gotta ask what didn’t you like about Clannad in particular, because there’s one aspect in Ef games that seems pretty similar to Clannad, teens being quite overdramatic sometimes just force a sad moment, although there are legit moments that are well done.
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>>255740804
Bullshit. Kamidori would be a touch more enjoyable otherwise.
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>>255750562

haven't read symphonic rain but ef is nothing like clannad. go for it if you like romance and linear stories
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OP, play Umineko.
It's probably most complex, best written visual novel out here.

But a lot of people hate it as well.
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>>255749467
I don't know about those circlejerking idiots on /vn/ or /jp/, but I thought it was great. I prefer After Story, but Terra was a brilliant culmination of the VN up to that point.
>>255749159
If you haven't you should read Rewrite as well. Kanon got an anime that basically covered the vn, the Busters anime it complete and utter shit but the only thing worth reading Busters for is Refrain anyway. As a Clannadfag, there is nothing in Rewrite as bad as the worst parts of Clannad.
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>>255750804
>not boning your team to make sure everyone trusts eachother
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>>255750928
>But a lot of people hate it as well.
The irony being that some hate it for exact same reasons you pointed out why it's so good, really, the sheer amount of overexposure a single scene has is not for everyone, with things such as 500 words to portray Battler looking at a goddamn grandfather clock and what he thinks of it
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>>255750928
>best written
The writing goes to absolute shit during Chiru. The storyline of Beatrice is very ambitious and mostly very well done, but Umineko completely drops the ball half way through.
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>VN's plot develop itself in a world akin to our real world
>Complains there is sex in it
Sorry to break it down, but outside of your basement people have sex, specially when they have romantic feelings between each other like those 2d characters have
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>>255740559
I'm going to list three VNs, two of which feature H scenes. The sex scenes are short and not too graphic in the first, the second is borderline snuff-film tier shit, but all of them are great stories in their own right. Give them a chance, they're not about their H scenes.

Fate: Stay Night, Saya no Uta, and Umineko no naku Koro Ni. First is an odd fantasy piece about a war for the Holy Grail, the second is the lovechild between H. P. Lovecraft and Silent Hill that's been exposed to emotional abuse from a very young age, and the last one's a series of mystery novels.
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>>255751005
You mean only trusting you, boning girls would spark rivalry anywhere.
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I started playing this shit. The MC is really an annoying piece of shit but the character interactions are gold. I finished Slutty maid's route and didn't like it. I"m going to try the fake tsundere next.
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>>255751253
>umineko
>mystery
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>>255751376
Shush. Don't ruin the surprise.
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>>255751307
Nigga, one half of the crewmembers is retarded/nutcases, one half is just happy to get some dicking and arent too concerned about sharing, and one half only have you able to pick one of them.

yes thats 3 halves
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>>255751320
fake tsundere has best ending ever. But yeah sashi her route was meh.

worst - best
loli, sashi, amane, mitcher, kuudere
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>>255750801

What I didn't like most about Clannad is the pacing. There is so much time spent on needless slice of life and repetitious Japanese humor that doesn't move the story or character development forward.
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>>255750928

Umineko is just Japanese Homestuck.
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>>255751376
>reaction of people, when Kanon draw his magic blade in ep2
Holy fuck, that was funny to read
and the best part is, that it's really mystery after all
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>>255751765
>Comparing Umineko to Homestuck

Nigga, Umineko is far easier to follow with less autism.
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>>255751682

You could say the same thing about real life.

I get why a lot of people would just want to get on with the story, but personally, I liked the way you could just sort of live in it for a couple of weeks.
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>>255751814
Shhhh, don't ruin twists for people
By far the single highest point of it, for me, was the end of chapter 3. Chiru dropped the ball too much for it's climaxes/emotionally loaded scenes to do much.
Umineko had potential, but in the end Higurashi is better.
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G-senjou was terrible. People said it was something like ever 17. Absolutely fucking retarded.
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>>255751574
>amane route not the best

I don't even like her, but she had best route
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Why are so many VNs that don't even have porn based around clinging to a certain girl to go down the various routes?
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>>255752327
Because that's how VNs with multiple heroines have worked since forever. What's rare is a VN with a harem route
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>>255752327
>a medium that's oversaturated with pick your girl romance/sex routes
>complaining
It's just how most VNs roll.
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>>255752327
that's all VN's that aren't bishie VN's
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>>255752327
because that is the customer wants, a way to fill the void with a gf. So it is either that or a story that doesnt involve routes at all.
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>>255752451
>What's rare is a VN with a harem route
Huh? I assume you meant one where the harem route is the True / Canon route cause there's plenty of VNs with Harem routes.

Utawarerumono is a good example where Harem is the True way, in fact, it's the only way.
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>>255752783
Yeah that's what I meant, should have worded it better
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>>255740559
>How am I supposed to take this cum-guzzler seriously as a character anymore?

People have sex. Lovers have sex.

Your mom had sex and probably guzzled the same amounts of cum from your dad's dick, get the fuck over it.
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>>255740559
>I got into G-Senjou no Maou recently. It was highly recommended everywhere by everyone and I was repeatedly assured that it was not a hentai game. Cool story, decent characters, then suddenly I'm listening to one of them make sloppy blow-job noises for ten fucking minutes and watching her take 40 ounces of hot jizz in the face from a giant, blurry anime dick.

Had no idea about that. Good that I dropped the game, I guess.
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>>255740559
Yes most is just as you described.
But good ones with none are
Ever17
Remember 11
Steins Gate
Chaos head
I/O
Higurashi
Narcissu
Kirakira (2 versions exist, one has h content, one dosent)
Umineko (but it's shit)
Planetarian
SymphonicRain (Ok I guess)

Here you go.
http://vndb.org/g235
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>>255753183

You mean my mom ate all my brothers and sisters?
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>>255751320
>The MC is really an annoying piece of shit
this so much. how the fuck am I meant to like a MC when he has no flaws and is a total prick?
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>>255752783

>Underwater ray romano

Oh god I miss that game. It was release in English back when VNs were way niche and we clung to whatever shit we could get our hands on at the time.

The big "plot twist" near the end was way out of left field, though.
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>>255753320
Huh? He is a prick, but being this shell shocked soldier IS his flaw, he knows that.
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>>255740559
>How am I supposed to take the genre seriously when a top-rated entry dives into hardcore porn at the drop of a hat and that's not even considered worth mentioning?
But that's actually even more realistic, if you think about it.

Our life has everything, including sex.

So, theoretically speaking, if you wanted to make the perfect story, the most realistic story, which has everything (or at least most problem realistic human being encounter), you would HAVE to add sex. But this is just a thought experiment.

So, in a way, a story HAVING sex, has actually more merit, since it represents more possibilities and more relations between human beings.
Now, when a story RELIES on sex, that is entirely different matter.
So, if sex just a bullet-point on your list that you mention nonchalantly - that actually good, or at least not bad, since you came even closer to the more realistic depiction of human interaction.

You may think such a thought experiment is useless, but think about video games. What if we made an actual life simulation? Sex would have to be a part of it. This is just how things are.

But does this happen with video games now? Well, not really.
Still, a story including sex is not the same as the story about sex.
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I just want Rape! Rape! Rape! to get a translation already.
Rape is my fetish.
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>>255753741
this is the most autistic post i've read today
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>>255753512
I still have it installed on my computer
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>>255753512
Still waiting for the Sequel, LEAF announced a week before they announced Tears to Tiara 2, way fucking back in 2011, now Tears to Tiara 2 is on its way to get localized already, and we still have no news on Ray Romano 2.
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>>255753696
The whole "I don't deserve this shit" thing has been done to death and he doesn't do it well
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>>255744003

>not play nukige with a backstory so you can fap harder when the innocent girl turns into a massive slut

Shit nigga what the fuck are you doing
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>>255753771
The hentai anime covers pretty much everything, what else is there, unless you want to READ all the rape quest instead of watching.
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>>255751484
I'd like to know which thirds you're referring to. Not halves. Thirds. One third and so on.
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>>255753741
>2014
>thinking VNs are an accurate representation of sex.
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>>255753512
They said half a year ago it's "going smoothly"
Maybe one day we will actually see the game.
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>>255754107
>implying handjobs don't sound like someone fisting a jar of mayo
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>>255753990
>Dark Blue
>Not Traingle Blue
Fucking BLUE series, I miss the day where Lilim actually gave the MC a chance not to being a fucking beta and go apeshit on those who wronged him.
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>>255753987
I found him being pretty okay with his soldier shit most of the time. At least he had balls, in most VNs the protag is just a faggot whose balls didnt drop.
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>>255751253
>FSN
>Good
Boy I sure love seeing myths, legends and lore being raped.


>>255752062
End of 2 was my favorite. It was all good until episode 6. Then it was just a nose dive and the writer calling me a faggot for wanting an answer to something written as a mystery, that he couldnt answer well after writing himself into a corner.
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It's mostly true. I can't think of a ero-less VN that I've read that wasn't good or great, when 90% of those with H was utter shit.
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>>255754105
millen and the and the reaper girl and the golem girl as retards/nutcases. the 3 main girls at the last half, and the tree girl, fairy girl and some others are just happy for dicking.
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>>255754353
They're myths, legends, and lore. It's a nice jumping off point for that story.
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What version of FSN should I download.
Please, spoonfeed me
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>>255754267

I've never actually played Triangle Blue, I just remember playing Dark Blue way back and liking it.

What attracted me to it were the CGs, which were quite fucked up, so I had to read the story to see what happened.
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>>255754958
the normal one. You will enjoy the full glory of tohsakas anus and molusk.

saber her BJ was good though
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>>255751320
But Yuuji is the best girl.
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>>255754974
>which were quite fucked up
I found to be fairly tame, BLUE series main schtik was always Netorare, the light guro in Dark Blue isn't all that.
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Steins Gate
Steins fucking Gate
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>>255751920
Literal autism or 4chan's unstated definition of autism?

>>255754495
Does Kohakuren, those two angels, and that fairy fit in another half? Then it'd be a quarter.

>>255754391
>I can't think of a ero-less VN that I've read that wasn't good or great
What about Sakura Spirit?
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>>255756280
>Does Kohakuren, those two angels, and that fairy fit in another half? Then it'd be a quarter.
look nigger, dont be a bitch about partitions and just accept that there isnt any trouble due bitches being strange
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>>255753269
Downloading Remember 11. Wish me luck!
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>>255756280
Both. Oh God, both. It actually has a coherent plot in comparison.
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>>255756503
Good luck getting the answer.
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>>255753987
>>255753320

No flaws? He's fucked up from the start and can barely interact with the people in the school properly.

He got saved and spends his time trying to save these girls he's now friends with because they don't deserve their shit either.

I don't see how anybody sees Yuuji as "flawless" or "self-insert." No way in fuck I'd want to be that guy. Makina's route reveals more of how fucked he is. He's not as confident as the beginning makes him out to be.
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>>255754327
I don't mind the whole soldier deal, but the sense of superiority and 'teacher' crap he spews out is enough to make me hate him. let alone his 'beep-boop i am a robot' routine when someone displays ANY kind of emotion. I've played my fair share of VN's and the only good ones so far include
>Okabe (steins;gate)
>Taichi(cross channel)
>Gii(Inganock)
>Shikanosuke(KiraKira)
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>>255757929
>implying he wasnt just bantering because that was his way of protecting his sensitive side
its like tsundere but then instead of tsun tsun he bantered.
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>>255758205
he's annoying, constantly reffering to yourself as a 'dog' or 'piece of weaponry' isn't cool, it's being a tryhard.
>i'm a brooding soldier
>but that doesn't stop me from being witty!
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>>255757929
>>255758205

Yuuji thinks of himself as trash. Sure he thinks he's superior in terms of the fact that the girls aren't exactly outdoorsmen, but when it comes to being a decent human being he sees himself as completely worthless.

Why do you think he tries so hard to help the girls in the actual routes?
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>>255740559
All the good ones have H-content. I'm not joking.

Of course there are some good ones that don't. Just hold ctrl in most of them and it'll fast forward if you don't care.
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>>255758793
Well when you're only worth was as a child soldier, then you start to think yourself as a piece of weaponry.

Try reading more of the novel before making judgements. It's called character development and backstories. Some of the girls seem pretty stupid before their flashbacks as well.

Sachi's route and Makina's route explain why Yuuji acts like a tryhard edgelord (he's not actually a tryhard).
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>Am I wrong for dismissing all the VNs with H-scenes as empty smut?

Yes
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>>255741297

the magnum opus of VN has two h scenes and one of them is tentacle rape

muv luv alternative
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>>255742951

not best girl ayamine

>>255743695

total eclipse fags should just die
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>>255758981
>Why do you think he tries so hard to help the girls in the actual routes?
redemption, repayment for what his master did for him
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>>255759497
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Well OP, if you claim to like VNs but ignore all the ones with any h-content, you're missing out then. Not my problem.
Just means you don't get Sharin no Kuni, Swan Song, Fate/Stay or Tsukihime, Hoshizora no Memoria, Muv-Luv Alt, Kara no Shoujo, CrossChannel, the one you actually posted, Saya no Uta, etc.
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>ctrl+f Baldr
>0 results
One of the few VNs that I still replay to this day. Not translated though. I'd suggest trying it.
There's porn but the actual gameplay and the story is fucking brilliant.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvxE676vkcc
Muramasa is my next read.
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>How am I supposed to take this cum-guzzler seriously as a character anymore?

The same way you take any other cum-guzzler seriously? Look around ya nigga, most of the women you see in your day to day life have guzzled some cum. Some of the guys have too.

It's a fact of life son
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>>255760367
I remember the first time i heard that and looked around all day wondering how many times each girl swallowed cum.

shit is bad for your mental health
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>>255759367
MLA is not the magnum opus of VN's. I mean, it's pretty damn good, but really now.
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>>255760709
don't go to /r9k/, they have daily threads about it.
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>>255759628
Exactly, it's all he can do to be worth something. Get away from being an edgelord. He's trying to retire for a reason.
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>>255760857
really, those guys are really adept at thinking themselves in a corner arent they.

I should know, I fuck myself all the time.
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>>255758981
>>255759187
i've almost finished sachis route and the fact that he literally has the answers to everything is stupid. He's a child soldier? cool, he should act like one. when he goes from slice of life teacher to 'muh hand wants to kill' it completely throws off his 'soldier' act. if he was at least a little shit in social interactions like someone of his background would be, that would make his character less shit. a character isn't interesting if they can hide their 'flaw' so well it might as well not fucking exist
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>>255759367
But Extra is better anon
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i've been playing this the past couple days. what the fuck is happening in this shit. the first half before platinum jail was really interesting, but the game just shits itself an ending for each route with no resolution to anything.
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>>255760986
Sachi's route is pretty shitty all round, especially after the school scene, I suggest you try a few others before you judge him
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>>255760986
He spends his entire time being an asshole. Do you really think the way he acts is not a shitty way to socially interact with people?

Sachi and Amane are nice to him for reasons shown in their routes. Makina is an underclassman, which is his soft spot. Yumiko's writer sucks ass, so those interactions really are awful. Michuru hates his guts because he's an asshole.

I don't really see how he had the "answers to everything." He followed some clues around and let Sachi go do some soul-searching. I mean really, what did you expect? That a third party comes in to fix everything? Even shitty incompetent protagonists end up with the answer eventually.

He's accepted by the people in the school because they're all fucked up and were even more socially inept before Yuuji arrived. They hated each other's guts at first, so they've already been through that whole song and dance. Of course they're going to be patient with Yuuji when he's being a complete cock.

I really don't understand how people can look at Yuuji's character and think, "He has no flaws, I would not mind being in his shoes."

Fuck that.
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>>255761361
The ending was pretty good.

The bad ending also made me laugh really fucking hard, though that's not really their intent.
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>>255761758
I could only shake my head at the bad ending. It was the most hamfisted thing you could do and they did it
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>>255741674
From which VN is this?
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>>255762114
>>255761758
every bad ending is complete shit in the game. I dont even know why they bothered. First of all the character immediately changes their stance to the normal idea anyway and then 2 scenes later shit just goes wrong for no reason.
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>>255762153
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>>255762335
Amane's bad end wasn't too bad.

I do like the end results of a lot of the bad ends though. Particularly Michiru's and trash bag's.
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>>255762686
mitchers bad end was really stupid
>I dont want you to go
>um youre right you should go anyway
>she goes, just like the good route
>suddenly: wow she went nuts even though you only said 2 words extra about that she shouldnt go
really
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>>255762891
He doesn't kiss her in the bad end though
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>>255762360
Im using my ipad, cant google with this
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>>255762153
Bishoujo Mangekyou.
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>>255763270
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>>255764217
>>255764217
Ou, thanks Anon
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I stopped watching anime years ago, but I still keep up with VNs.
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>>255746791
Granted, I've only been in Japan for a month now, but I've found that girls have obviously superb taste to guys here. It's getting kind of ridiculous.
I see girls play actual games on handhelds in the train all the time, while guys just play fucking puzzle & dragon, kancolle etc.
Girls read good manga on the train, guys just read shounenshit.

What is wrong with this country? It truly is bizzarro /v/
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>>255766389
I'm afraid of turning into this. I haven't watched a single episode for a couple of seasons now but I've been reading VNs more than ever.
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How good is Kara no Shoujo ?
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>>255768349
It's total suffering for me, the story makes me a little dead inside.
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>>255763005
wow, so deep. Its still shit though
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>>255766389
for me its the opposite. I used to just read VNs (didnt know anything about jap culture/animu/mango/etc. I just liked vidya and porn and decided to look for porn vidya, which made me roll into VNs) but now I mostly watch animer. Although that might be because I read most translated VNs
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>>255766584
ken-sama?
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>>255770989
Just on vacation, sadly.
A true ken-sama would die here
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>VN thread on /v/
>retards never lurking
>spoonfeeding all over the place
>Shit taste
>EOPs

Never again.
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>>255772110
>venturing outside of your niche
>be surprised that people new to the genre are acting like people new to the genre
how much of a retarded pleb are you anon?
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OP is a colossal faggot.

Webm not related.
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>>255772110
go back to your containmentboard /jp/
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>>255772630
>Bragging about being new
>Not lurking
>Not just reading the fucking guide

Man, /v/ is bad in the summer.
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>Download VN
>Finish one route
>Drop it and think about working on it later
>Download another one again, rinse and repeat
>Backlog continues still continues to grow up to this day

I just don't know man.
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>>255741462
Minus the boring as shit 1st episode, as it's necessary character introduction for about 20 characters, Umineko is the most fun I've had reading a VN. The characters are great, the music is great and it's just... fun. I don't know how else to describe it. And I didn't even particularly care for the Higurashi VN.
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>>255772690

That was unsettling. Particularly right after the blackout and she appears to speak to YOU.

Is the entire VN like that? 4th wall breaking?
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But sometimes H scenes can actually add to the plot in VNs, like pic related.
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>>255773497
From what I've read about it, 4th wall breaking is a recurring thing, but aside from those moments, it's not so special.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXcwYgoGR0E
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>>255773617
It isn't far off to call most VNs and AVGs "relationship porn," like that one pfsc comic. VNs are about relationships and romance, sex is just a natural part of that. It should enhance the experience by making it more intimate and personal, instead of having nothing to do with the plot, like FSN, or cheapening it, like most Nukige.

>>255773497
>>255774034
The game was fun, and had amazing art, but the story was a bit weak and all led up to that twist. Basically just 5 hours or so of setup for the big twist, albeit with great H-scenes. Still, it was very touching and unsettling, especially if you play a lot of these games. deconstruction of the dating sim genre
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>>255766389

are you me?
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I havent read a VN in like a year. Anyone know if Majikoi or Muv Luv had any anything translated recently?
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>>255773219
implying I'm new you dumb fag
I just don't sperg out when people outside of /vn/ don't know what they'r talking about
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>>255773219
>>255772110
Just shut the fuck up and go back to /a/ with your "spoonfeeding" bullshit.
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>>255773617

i sure hope white album 2 gets translated in my lifetime. it looks amazing
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>>255774334
Quartett was a really cute VN.
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>>255742216
TSF Forefront when?
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>>255774778

Majikoi is dead at 80%.
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>>255774778
MLAF has a partial patch with a few completed routes out and Chronicles 01 is translated fully.

>Majikoi
Forever 85%
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>>255776616
Majikoi was flavour of the year.
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This whole threads about VNs without porn. Any suggestions for someone that wants a good story and good porn? No moonrunes though.
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>>255772110

>EOP

This isn't nearly as bad as /vg/'s discussions, I'd rather discuss VNs with /v/ than deal with those guys.
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>>255776771
>This whole threads about VNs without porn. Any suggestions for someone that wants a good story and good porn?

Read this post >>255746676 and understand why it's hard to find a good story with god porn.
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>>255776628
>>255776616
Holy shit, so that faggot really never got past the 85% of Myako's route?
I fucking knew it.
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>>255774334
I really hated the DRM thing they put in right at the end. It completely ruins the moment having to open a text editor and write down sums. The twist is alright but all the characters are as dull as doorstops.
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>>255753741
What the fuck are you talking about?
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>>255778363
He's basically saying sex is a part of every day life.

Maybe not your life, but you're just a virgin.
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