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Axe, hammer or sword?

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Axe, hammer or sword?
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Halberd.
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Switch Axe
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The axe? or the Hammer?
Who am I?
-Rand Al'thor
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>>255470757
>posting mallets
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>>255470757
I AM WIZARD
I CAST FIST
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>>255470757
Poleaxe
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I don't know, is the game Walking Dead or something medieval?
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>>255471091
B - but that was perrin...
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>>255471506
>>255470848
What's the difference?
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Sword.

Fucking weapon hipsters. If your obscure flailed poleaxe is so good how come no one uses it.
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>>255471506
>All of the above
10/10 would fight alongside
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Garden's Bane
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>>255471723
I was testing the people. to see who was worthy. and you are.
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>>255471858
What this guy said
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Mace.
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Axes are the most aesthetic weapons.
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Arquebus.
Nice armor faget
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>>255472065
MY NIGGA
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scythes all day every day
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>axe
axe? who are you gonna fight? army of fucking trees?
>hammer
who are you? fucking carpenter? now get the fuck out you have some nails to hammer
>sword
this is good, it was made for fighting but we can do better than that
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Axe or bust.
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>>255471858
>If your obscure flailed poleaxe is so good how come no one uses it.

>implying guns didnt make them all of them obsolete

No anon, you are the hipsters.

>then, anon tipped his fedora.
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>>255472071
>double-bitted axe
shiggidy
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Hammer.

I learned this playing Dwarf Fortress Adventure Mode. With some beasts only certain metals can harm them but hammers don't apply because the crushing force of the blow to the beast itself is enough to kill it. If I were to use a bronze sword to kill something that only silver can be used to harm, thenI would be screwed.
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>>255472065
>made with use of welding tools
how did middle age blacksmiths made maces?
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And here's the follow up question, how do you balance the 3?
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Hammer should always be the ideal endgame weapon, because enemies at that point should be fully armored. Blunt damage is best damage.
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Definitely hammer. It can reliably fuck up everyone from the most heavily armoured opponents to people with no armour at all.
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Sword and shield combo
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>plebs not going for rapiers
You are all gay.
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>>255470757
HAMMER TIME

So mad there's no 2h-hammers in Brytenwalda
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Fuck one
Marry one
Kill one
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>>255472628
Alright, how does a mace swing faster than a sword? I imagine bashing enemies with a mace would be much slower and more energy consuming than slicing with a sword.
Maybe the same with an handaxe.
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Axe

>Tool
>Weapon
>Relatively easy to use
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fuck da axe wound
stick the sword in
hammer the pussy
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>>255472868
Fuck Mace
Kill Axe
Marry Sword
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Pike

Or rifle.
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>>255473159
>those dong shaped helms
Pfft
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>>255472946
A mace does not weight 20lbs. It's actually lighter than a typical longsword which doesn't weigh that much either.

The force behind a swing comes from the wielder, not the weapon's weight. There's a reason people can point out the differences between an amateur and an expert when it comes to weapon use. An expert will use his entire body to put the most force behind a swing.
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>>255473253
>not using condom helmets
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>>255470757
It's a hard decision. For some reason though, I don't like most normal swords. Like, I think some can be cool when they're overdesigned/fantasy looking, like I dunno, Frostmourne, Buster Sword, huge greatswords in general. Normal swords just aren't that useful or cool in comparison.
I'd much prefer to smash someone with a hammer or cleave someone with an axe, but a sword is kinda only good for fencing. Maybe that's how I see it actually - berserkers and badass warriors use axes, hammers, greataxes, greathammers, even badass polearms of all sorts, but swords are generally just used by silly noblemen.
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>not going flail
It's like you hate having fun.
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>>255472573
They were actually just a heavy lump of metal with studs hammered in, not what the picture is
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Mace
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Dual-wielding an axe and a mace.
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>>255471506
>Not polehammer
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>>255473604

Why not be less retarded and use a shield and a mace
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going to have to go with the polearm
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>>255471810
There's a few differences-
The construction of the head - a poleaxe being three separate pieces, a halberd being one piece.
The balance is different, with a halberd being balanced for using mainly the head, a poleaxe being balanced so you can use the butt, too.
Speaking of the butt, some poleaxes have spikes on the butt of the shaft.
Halberds can be a bit longer than poleaxes.
Poleaxes aren't as uniform as halberds - halberds are axe on one side and spike or hook on the other, whereas poleaxes can be almost any combination of hammerheads, axe heads, spikes and hooks.

Generally speaking, poleaxes were for fighting solo against heavily armored enemies who are likewise on foot, while halberds were for formation fighting against lightly armored infantry and any sort of cavalry.

The two weapons are used very similarly in similar situations, though.
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>>255473727
Because I'm the DPS, I don't need no shield.
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>>255473429
You gotta use protection.
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I'm that guy that dual wields swords

sorry /v/
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Whip bro reporting in.
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>>255471506

True gentleman confirmed
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>>255473895
Yeah nice try whipping dat armor faggot
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>>255473565
No.
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Axes look the best but they would be the worst to wield. They get stuck in fucking everything, leaving you wide open for a counter-attack.
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Either dual swords or a zweihander/greatsword.

If we're compensating, we can at least do it the right way.
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>>255470757
Spear
it is the natural human weapon which is why guns were designed to emulate it

the spear in the right hands is the most powerful weapon there is
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>>255473461
>Frostmourne, Buster Sword, huge greatswords in general. Normal swords just aren't that useful or cool in comparison.
>Normal swords just aren't that useful in comparison.

The Buster Sword is literally impossible to wield by any normal human being regardless of the material it's made out of. Doesn't matter if it's super lightweight, that just translates into a clumsy oversized weapon that weighs nothing and has a fat edge. It's basically a really shitty mace.
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>>255473976
>Implying I'm not going to just indiana-jones your legs from under your feet.
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>>255474127

Dual swords are stupid no one used it for anything but showing off. Big ass swords are so ineffective only one group of people even tried to employ them in battle.
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>>255470757
whichever has the fastest attack speed yo.
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>>255474031

They tended to break or cut through most shields, and were harder to parry than swords.

They did have that nasty habit of getting stuck on bone, and not much use on more armoured targets though, but that's what the spike was for.
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>>255474176
both those swords look retarded as fuck
real swords have much better design asthetics
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>>255474127
What dual wielding?
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>Axes have the highest damage but shittiest penetration
>Only city thugs have armor value low enough to get full use out of them
>Dies to trusty sword just as fast
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>>255473461

>Like, I think some can be cool when they're overdesigned/fantasy looking, like I dunno, Frostmourne, Buster Sword, huge greatswords in general. Normal swords just aren't that useful or cool in comparison.

Teenage faggot.
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>>255474165
Spears are only good if you have a bunch of buddies with you who are also using spears.
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>>255472991
At first I thought this was incredibly stupid because the ebonics seemed exaggerated, but that entire second row is great.
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>scythe
>huge reach
>can grapple other weapons
>decapitate niggas
>spook niggas
>spook and decapitate one nigga
>can probably channel dark majjiycks too who the fuck knows
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>>255474296
>getting two attacks per round is stupid.
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>>255474176
Well, yeah. That's what I said. Fantasy and unrealistic swords are cool in their setting. Swords in general are just boring and not as useful as hammers or axes.

Polearms are also awesome though.
So the real question is: Polearms, hammers or axes? I might design a new DaS 2 build depending on what this thread convinces me is most badass. I currently play a spearwielding spartan build in DaS 2.
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>>255474165
Spears are garbage outside of large scale engagements. What the fuck are you gonna do when some cutthroat with some fuckin dirks steps into your range. You're gonna die is what, ugly fuckin ballsack cunt.
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>>255474479

You can't swing 2 swords faster than you can swing one sword, dumb fuck.
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>>255470757
>no bio or chem based weapon
Shit game.
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>>255474480
>Polearms, hammers or axes
There aren't any pollaxes in DaS2, is there?
Otherwise, that would be ideal for your conundrum.
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>>255473705
Polehammer best weapon
Piercing armor, skull and brains like it was nothing
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>>255474424
Double the sword, double the fun
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>>255474636
I'm not sure what qualifies as poleaxe, but there are various halberds.
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>>255474165
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>>255474548
False, nearly every RPG with dual wielding gives you 2+ attacks per turn.
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>>255471506
you mean pollaxe?
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>>255470757
staff/polearm master race
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MACE AND BOARD
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>>255472305
Lol are you a peasant? Enjoy being useless against every type of enemy you happen to come across just short of another peasant
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>>255473461
>Normal swords just aren't that useful in comparison.
Do you know anything about weapons?
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>>255474426
>Axes have the highest damage but shittiest penetration

Swords have significantly worse penetration against armor. Axes had enough of a thick edge that they could still pummel and occasionally puncture armor.

If you were using a sword against a knight, you better have practised that half swording or your ass was toast. Your only options are to stab him in the armpit or wrestle him to the ground if you get lucky.
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>>255474758

Name 5.
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>>255474426
>shittiest penetration
Nigga what, that shit cuts limbs off
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>>255472573
glue, fricking newfages
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>>255474447
no
spears are a universal weapon like the Quarterstaff and a spearman can be extremely effective with one even fighting multiple enemies

swords are a similar deal but with less range or defensive ability
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>>255474720
I'll just have lindy explain this for me cause I'm lazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJBEDxh0RQw
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>>255474820
I know that hammers, axes and polearms are all more useful and fun to play with in pretty much all vidya.
That's about it though. Guess I'm a nerd, so sue me.
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>>255470757

That's obviously a hammer, OP.
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>>255472628
What the fuck is dalue?
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>>255474836

Curiously enough, a sword would probably make for a better bludgeoning weapon against an armored foe than an axe, thanks to its vertical balance.
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Swords are garbage tier show off weapons for the rich

>Expensive
>Require a ton of training to use effectively
>Don't even perform better than 99% of other easier to mass produce weapons that require less training
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>>255474728
I meant like this
>axe
>hammer
>polearm
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>>255474728
There's always the lucerne.
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>>255475191
>>255475212
Ah yes the lucerne. It's pretty cool 'cause the latest DaS 2 update makes its heavy attack penetrate armor too.
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>>255474548
>he doesn't get it
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>>255474465
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>>255470757
Sword. Idk why I just have always liked swords.
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Neither. Katana.
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>>255474452
You seriously never seen that shit? Get the fuck out of here, cocktard
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What weapon should a Dwarf Fighter roll?
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>>255474962
DUO WIELD
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>>255474521
>being this mad
oh wow ok man how about you calm the fuck down before you have an asthma attack eh?

you have no idea what you're talking about, for the untrained yea a spear is only good in mass blocs which is why it was given to peasants, but if you have ever seen bow-staff/quarterstaff combat that is the same as using a spear but without the pointed edge

a shortspear is incredibly versatile, being used as a quarterstaff to block and parry any attack as well as hit your opponent from range and sweep them

or even thrown to impale them from far away
the spear is the ultimate weapon alongside the Longsword
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>>255475172
>Swords = Apple
>Everything else = Android
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>>255470757
Sword against light infantry and archers, mace against knights
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>>255474843
NWN
NWN2
Baldur's Gate
Baldur's Gate 2
KOTOR
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>>255471858
But sword was phased out by heavy armor even by the end of 100 years war?
It's good for killing peasants, but sucks if fighting anything well prepared.
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>>255475320
>lucerne
>axe
Nigga that ain't how the swiss be rollin'
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>>255474813
> not mace and brace
It's like you don't even know what rhyming is
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>>255474521
What you do is move your hands closer to the front of the weapon, it's not rocket science. Besides, good luck getting close with your shorthand weapons.
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>He was an experienced soldier because when the bones were reassembled researchers found that the lower jaw had a massive cut from chin to ear, but the bone was well healed.
Someone survived this hit and was walking around like this
How does this make you feel?
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>>255474465
Sigmund, pls go
The only reason you kill people is because you camp the early floors
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>reach
lol hammer mace and axe fags mad they can't even get close enough to hit me
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I always think axes are underappriciated being the default weapons given to barbaric, dumb or otherwise primitive fighters, defined by being large, heavy and used like sharpend clubs.

The only game i saw where someone gave the axe some love was the last Fire Emblem game for SNES, which had two fighters who used the swordsman moves with axes.

Though maces and hammers have the same problem.
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>>255475538
Fists
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>>255474978
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Maces are cool
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>>255474962
>you can't block projectiles without shield!
Then fucking roll and dodge scrublord.
>you need to use your whole body to attack!
Or I could stunlock an enemy with my double swords.
>this isn't a realistic scenario!
Well if we're talking realistic scenarios, I'd use a gun, nerd.
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It's often been argued the Halberd/Pollaxe and such derivatives are the most versatile and desirable weapon in combat, as they combine weight and strength, flexibility, range and effectiveness against a range of opponents.

It can work as an axe against flesh, a hammer against plate, and a spear against cavalry; it's easy to train someone with and can be used effectively by militias.

But of course, if we're talking a weapon of all time, i'd argue the Gladia, especially the Hispaniensis version; it's a weapon that beat greece's hoplites and the gaul's spears, the Khopesh of the gyppos and even the Fealx of the wild men.

Other weapons do well on paper, but none have built an empire so well.
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>>255473829
That's why you batter them with the shield and club them like a normal person
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None of them, I'll take the superior weapon. The longbow.
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>>255470757
Poleaxe, Polehammer, or Polesword.

Knife for CQC.
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>>255475584
Yes, dual wielding.
Its what you were talking about.
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>>255475172
yea they require a lot of training but they are still the most useful and the best weapons

nothing matches the sheer power and versatility of the sword other than the spear which is why both are such iconic human weapons


pic related, most people have no clue about how medieval combat was carried out
a longsword could be to pommel armored enemies much like a mace which is why they usually had very solid handles, or half sworded to faster close range striking, the longsword in the hands of a skilled user was incredibly powerful
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>>255474836
>>255474859
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>>255475943
Fire Emblem, despite being a Japanese fantasy game, is surprisingly good when it comes to portraying a wide variety of martial arts and weapons.
I don't mean they're authentic. But the armor obeys internal consistency, and so do the weapons. There are characters with a wide variety of weapons, and it doesn't generally fall into the lowest depths of martial arts portrayals which we so often find.
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pollaxe or gtfo
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Against an armored opponent slogging it out on foot? Give me a hammer.

Just riding over peasant shits from atop of my war destrier? Then it becomes how quickly and often I can swing, so a sword.
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>>255476210
>nothing matches the sheer power and versatility of the sword other than the spear

The most versatile weapon is the axe nigga

Chop some wood after chopping off some heads
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>>255475943
axes just are not as useful or versatile as swords are, and get caught easily

they work best when combined with a shield as the vikings and saxons did using bearded axes to tear away their opponents shields
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Spear.
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>no keyblades yet

faggots
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>>255472071
what is this? an axe for ants
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>>255475943

That's probably a mix of the Germanic tribes favouring them, and in Japanese works, always being seen as a bandit's tool, since woodcrafters.

They're not really romanticised in the same way. Though, of course, you get exceptions like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1VttN9sWpI
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>>255476362
>sword gets stuck in the fifth peasant and is torn from your grasp
Stick with the hammer, nigga.
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>>255476467
>Combining the best parts of all 3
Genius.
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>>255476364
no it isn't, axes are really unweildly in combat and cant be used in as many situations as a sword

axes are only useful against enemy shields or heavy armor

even then everything an axe can do a skilled swordsman can do better
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>>255476526
man, I really need to watch LotGH
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>>255476210
While I agree with prettymuch everything you said, I would like to add the poleaxe to your list of incredibly versatile weapons. It's not as iconic, though, which is a damn shame.
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>>255472841
Nothing gayer than a rapier.
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>>255476164
Fucking camper.
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>>255475879
>Sigmund's scythe is the best weapon ever with perfect accuracy
>the minute I grab it it becomes near useless and I might as well try using a pool noodle for battle
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>>255476364
Axes designed to chop wood are not really good as combat weapons since their point of weight and the form of the blade are designed for hacking down on immobile objects with a lot of force.

Axes designed for combat need a different weight ratio and different blade in order to be quick to wield and capable of cutting through targets horizontal and vertical.

Of course you can use a wood cutter axe to fight someone, but it isn't ideal for it.
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>>255475659

>heavy armor
>problem for a sword

What are you Japanese?
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>>255472065
Why aren't the flanges fully wielded to the shaft? They look like they would snap off easily.
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>>255471353
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>>255476665
>the sword that requires the most upper body strength to use out of all swords in human existence is gay
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>>255476570
As long as you're swinging just to make cuts and not go full edgelord decapitation move all the time, you should be good.

Medieval health care could handle broken bones from blunt trauma well, but a small cut could Karl Drogo a nigga.
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>>255476470
for gi-ants
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>>255476639
i'd prefer a claymore over a poleaxe
there are stories of German swordsmen blocking arrows and cutting right through pikelines with their swords by swinging them in a sort of figure 8 sort of fashion
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>>255474165
>my legs hurt
>this spear is too short
>my shield is heavy
>I wish I was at home playing video games
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Fist weapons = best weapons
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>>255474165
Everyone look at this little fairy boy and laugh.
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>>255471506
You mean pollacks?
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>>255476610

If you do, geto ff the internet while you do. Spoilers are merciless for it.

Also suggest you start with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-CNBZj36pbc

Ravel's bolero was beyond reproach as a choice here.
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guys

why don't we get rid of guns and bring back these weapons
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>>255476739
>but it isn't ideal for it.
Fuck does it matter when you only need to hit them once?
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>>255476763
That's a shitty modern recreation

>>255476869
But the poleaxe has the pole, the hook (or hammer), the spearhead, and the axehead. While I'd say yeah zweihanders are great weapons as well, the poleaxe is entirely underrepresented considering it was the preferred weapon of the same German soldiers you're talking about.
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>>255477043
Because I'm a manlet so I'd be disadvantaged
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>>255474521
>hold weapon closer to the pokey bit
>combat him with a shortpsear
>push him away with spear
>pull out your own dagger and recreate the scene from that michael jackson music video

>>255474447
how wrong can one faggot be
spears are the ultimate warfare and 1v1 weapon
longsword? outrange him
shield? outrange him and try to knock off weapon/injure shield arm
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>>255476164
>not javelin
Chivalry is related right?
I mean its basically the game for medevial weaponry combat

I fucking love manning shortspear and just completely fucking all the Noobguards and cunty Knights when they try to walk up flailing their weapons until i headshot them

every game there are always these babies complaining about Archers being OP since they suck

Man at Arms and Archer are the objective patrician classes
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>>255476981
Posting better version.
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Delicious Kukri / Kopis

It's like a short sword but with the force of an axe
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>>255476526
Yeah the major issue for why axes are often seen as primitive weapons is because they were developed from tools. It's the same reason spears are seen as primitive compared to lances and knives are seen as primitive compared to daggers.

On the counter point, that's exactly why swords became such romatic weapons. Because they were designed soley for combat and not developed from a working tool.

The club/mace actualy have the same backround but since they are so easy to make the fall into the same category as aces.

Basicly swords became the glorified weapons they are because they are only designed for fighting and they require more work to be created and maintianed, which led to them being the prefered weapons of nobility.

Not to say that swords aren't effective weapons.
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I want a fucking hammer sword
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>>255470757
>ctrl+f
>no shovel
knaves
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>>255476737
The scythe is the fucking worst polearm
-4 to hit, no reach like all the others, and mediocre damage combined with a mediocre attack speed.
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>>255472946
>Maybe the same with an handaxe.
Handaxes are much lighter than swords, if you meant the handaxe is like a mace
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>>255477213
>archer
>worth fuckall without a bow

enjoy me feinting, you blocking, and me kicking to one shot you

jav archers are notoriously bad at the game

>let me get them with my tricks!
>wait shit I'm trying to go into melee range as the wost melee class
>lol1shot
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nugget
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>>255476376
Vikings are often portrayed with axes because they're cheaper to make(less iron) and most people already had them at hand to chop wood. Axes are versatile tools while swords are basically just for combat.
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>>255477381
So, a crowbar with better grip and possibly guard?
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>>255476376
Nigga wat
>stabs
>chops
>cuts
>hooks
>crack skulls with either end
>parries with the blade, demi hache or queue
>pull yourself over walls
>smash through shields and the arm behind it
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>>255477443
Shaolin spade best weapon.
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>>255477162
>smaller target
>disadvantaged
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>>255477708
no. I want a fucking HAMMERSWORD
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>>255474521
Use a shorter spear.
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>>255477618
Yeah, but why is Sigmund so godly with it?
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katana is literally the most balanced weapon ever made.
It can literally do just about anything.
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>>255477443
Those only became dangerous during WW1 with the introduction of the Klapspaten.
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>>255477735

>muh zombie survival guide
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>>255477859
Can you set it against a cavalry charge?
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>>255473159

biggest faggots

i would have been so peeved having to go to war against that

like what do you even do

if that's how they're gonna play i'd just camp a cliff and shoot arrows like fuck you
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>>255477859
There's that word again. I will follow your traces from now on and if you misuse it again I will find you and curbstomp your face so fucking hard that all your teeth fall out.
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>>255477643
Actualy Archers served as support infantry once they had spend their arrows.

War in the middle ages was not like strategy games, there were no dedicated range only units.

An archer always carried axes, long knives or pikes with them to join the battle once the forces got too close to each other.
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>>255477203
>spears are the ultimate warfare and 1v1 weapon
I'd argue that there's a reason pikes and halberds replaced them.
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Were there ever any axes or maces with knuckleguards or baskethilts?
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>>255477964
When zombie times come me and my shaolin spade will be a-okay and you'll be dead.
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>>255476610

Here, have some ..interesting design notes from the series. The longsword actually turns up a few brief times, it appears to have a hollow centre. Weight reasons maybe?
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>>255477859
That's fucking retarded.
A european longsword is far more versatile and a lot more durable as well.
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>>255478192
I'd argue that pikes are a subset of spears.
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>>255470757
All of them in Guild Wars 1.

I went from Sword -> Hammer -> Hammer R/W -> Axe, then I just learned I enjoyed them all and they each brought something different to the table.
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>>255476841
But Gi-Ants don't have any arm slots.
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>>255476981
>fantasy is real life guise
there is a reason why the spear was the single most common weapon across the entire planet along with the bow for almost all human history
it dominates everything and is perfectly built for the human body

the sword and the gun are just derivatives of the spear's basic design

Unless you have actually used a spear
or seen one in action, it’s hard to imagine just
how lethal it can be. A good, sharp spear,
measuring 6 feet in length and weighing 2 lbs. or
more, can easily be stabbed through the toughest hide to create a wound channel two feet long by three inches wide! What’s more, unlike the wound channel of a bullet, the wound channel of a spear can be immediately enlarged to gigantic proportions. All one has to do is pump the shaft up and down or twist it from side to side. Just imagine the swath a 13" blade could cut through a chest cavity as it’s rotated back and forth over
a full 180° arc! This same spear hits twice as hard when thrown. That’s right! Penetration of a hand thrown spear through flesh and bone rivals that produced by a 470 Nitro Elephant Rifle. A good spear man can easily hurl his spear completely through a bull elk, moose, grizzly bear or even a cape buffalo
the fact is for mid range fighting the Spear is king, weather its hunting or combat.

the axe is nothing compared to it and is highly situational
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>>255474521
You seem to think the only part of a spear that's a weapon is the sharp pointy bit. While it's an important part of the spear, there is also the shaft itself and the weight at the end for balance. When a guy closes in, these parts of the weapon do not disappear and you are perfectly capable of flipping it around and whacking a nigger in the fucking face with the back of the spear and then kick him in the dick and knock him over so you can stab him in the fucking face with the spearhead.
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>>255475664
My man!
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>>255477381
I don't think you fucks quite understand the appeal of a hammersword.
you can fucking cave in a niggas skull or you can fucking cleave said skull in half, you can do goddamn aynthing you fucking want with a hammersword
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>>255477643
r u srs
archers wreck in close combat in Chivalry
I always tear apart these cunty knights thinking they are hot shit until I'm jumping around them in circles and quickly slashing them to death
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>>255477859
>It can literally do just about anything.

Except penetrate armor or chainmail.
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>>255478323
Depending on your definition of spear, it can either be the ancestor of weapons such as the pike or halberd, or the collective term, so I guess we're both right
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>>255475981
maces were also known as the go to weapon to waste some rich armorfags shit, so much that they were banned at one point by the catholic church for being 2gud against the nobility.

Unlike the crossbow though, they got unbanned quickly (about 150 years)
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>>255478413

It was cheap to make, easy to learn and required no special crafting or technical skills.

It is generally outclassed by most other weapons except in specific situations.
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>>255477859
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>>255477859
That's it. I'm sick of all this "Masterwork Bastard Sword" bullshit that's going on in the d20 system right now. Katanas deserve much better than that. Much, much better than that.

I should know what I'm talking about. I myself commissioned a genuine katana in Japan for 2,400,000 Yen (that's about $20,000) and have been practicing with it for almost 2 years now. I can even cut slabs of solid steel with my katana.

Japanese smiths spend years working on a single katana and fold it up to a million times to produce the finest blades known to mankind.

Katanas are thrice as sharp as European swords and thrice as hard for that matter too. Anything a longsword can cut through, a katana can cut through better. I'm pretty sure a katana could easily bisect a knight wearing full plate with a simple vertical slash.

Ever wonder why medieval Europe never bothered conquering Japan? That's right, they were too scared to fight the disciplined Samurai and their katanas of destruction. Even in World War II, American soldiers targeted the men with the katanas first because their killing power was feared and respected.

So what am I saying? Katanas are simply the best sword that the world has ever seen, and thus, require better stats in the d20 system. Here is the stat block I propose for Katanas:

(One-Handed Exotic Weapon)
1d12 Damage
19-20 x4 Crit
+2 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

(Two-Handed Exotic Weapon)
2d10 Damage
17-20 x4 Crit
+5 to hit and damage
Counts as Masterwork

Now that seems a lot more representative of the cutting power of Katanas in real life, don't you think?

tl;dr = Katanas need to do more damage in d20, see my new stat block.
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>>255474521
>drop spear
>pull out sword

Now you have an advantage again. See how easy that was?
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>>255478262
One would assume, though they probably wouldn't be the best since it would limit your offensive capabilities (ie making a spike on the axehead useless).
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>>255478413
>seriously trying to compare a spear's usefulness against a fucking elephant gun or any firearm, completely disregarding hydrostatic shock, temporary wound cavities, bullet fragmentation, and the range advantage

Just stop. Spears are good weapons but guns are superior in just about every conceivable situation.
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>>255478413
>using a knife on a stick
Get a load of this peasant
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Cleaver -> Mallet -> Great Axe ->Hand Axe
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>>255478717
>they got unbanned quickly (about 150 years)
when is 150 fucking years quickly?
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>>255478923
This pasta never fails to amuse me.
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>>255477770
I seem to recall seeing pictures of a longsword where the crossguard was a hammer head. Damned if I can find them now, though.

>>255478262
It happened a few times, mostly in the middle east and india. These are Ottoman.
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>>255478961
>guns are superior in just about every conceivable situation

what about having no ammo
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>>255478413
spears prolly ur favorite weapon cuz it resembles ur favorite past time

dildo
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>>255478747
nothing outclasses it one on one
which is why it was still used effectively for millennia against all opponents

even today it is extremely effective, combined with a dagger for close combat you can outmatch anyone, even in some cases a rifleman

pic related
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>>255479118
compared to the 500-700 that the crossbow was, yeah it WAS "quickly"
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>>255479148
fuck the crossguard hammerhead nigger I want a goddamn SWORD with a fucking HAMMER on the end of it
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>>255479149
What if the spear doesn't have the spearhead? That's basically what you're arguing here.

And if the gun doesn't have ammo, it's still somewhat useful as a club.
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>>255479149
Someone throwing javelins would run out of them before the person with hundred something shot in his rifle and clothes.
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I'm pretty tired of games only having swords so I've been having a boner for anything blunt or exotic, never liked axes though i can appreciate their efficiency.
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Mfw no shovel knight reference
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>>255479229
Deflect it down then chop it in half.

ggs kiddo
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>>255478747
That depends.
You're right that it had basically no skill floor (sharp end goes into other man), but an experienced and skilled spearman is a force to be reckoned with. Between a spearman and a swordsman of the same skill and experience, it would more come down to who made a mistake first.
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>>255479229
are you seriously suggesting that your magic spear gives you the power to dodge or block automatic gunfire?
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There's something about bashing people with blunt weapons.
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if you can git gud with a Yari spear, you cannot be bested in battle
the literal git gud of the world
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>>255479149
Then you turn it into a spear
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>>255479594
Why is he about to stab that unarmed man?
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>>255478717
neat didn't know that. I did know about crossbows though.
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>>255479646
He's proving a point.
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>>255479646
training or someshit, I can't imagine he let him that close w/o stabbin'
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>>255479646
That's the fetish of the unarmed guy.
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>>255479291
a spear without a spearhead can still be used as a quarterstaff to extreme effectiveness

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2YgGY_OBx8

you people have no idea what a spear is capable of and obviously have never used one
spears for fishing or hunting are one of the most effective weapons and honestly more useful in many cases than firearms
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>>255479646
There is a spider on the man's chest, and he is trying to kill it.
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>>255470757
I'll use both axe and sword
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>>255479381
>Implying anyone even remembers that shit game anymore
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>>255479795
That doesn't look like training. That looks like a real bayonet in motion and the other guy seems to be bracing himself for the thrust.
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>>255479417
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH
You're a fucking retard. Try chopping through a spear haft made of good wood in one stroke with... anything, really. Except maybe a woodcutter's axe.

gg dumbass
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>>255479260
So a sword, that doesn't cut a fucking thing, a sword that isn't a fucking sword, but an unsword, blade without blade, needle without point, knife without edge.

Also a bad hammer with most likely aesthetics of Hamburger Helper,
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>>255479421

Arguably, yes. Of course, attrition-wise, the spearman is at disadvantage; only the greeks really bothered to make their spears remotely durable, i.e. the Dorys or Sarissa; most medieval and later examples were decidedly brittle, vulnerable to merely striking an extended shaft.

Situational weapon in every sense, really; the Halberd or poll axe are a decided improvement on the idea by giving the wielder at least some lateral offensive; flanking was murder on hoplites and such.
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>>255479961
Question: is dual wield spears viable?
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>>255480064
It's a fucking picture from WWI, they probably had to keep that fucking pose for an hour.
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>>255476115
L0L
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>>255479417
>chop it in half
>just like my Japaneses animes!
fact is ANY pole weapon has a huge advantage over close combat weapons like swords or axes
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>>255480204
they'd have to be fucking light which then just defeats the purpose
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>>255480157
>claims a weapon is good
>admits it could be cut in half by a tool
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>>255480157
he's a moron, but it would be trivial to beat the pole part to the side
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>>255479961
Is this nigger serious? Saying that spears are more useful in modern combat situations than a gun?
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>>255470848
My nigga
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>>255480040
Is the back spike piercing her belly?
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>>255480040
This should be illegal.
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>>255480204
unless they are javelins and you are throwing them
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>>255480307
Then spears a shit.
Case closed, bar open.
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>>255479754
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>>255480314
>fucking sword can be cut in half by a laser, it's such a piece of shit
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>>255480171
you
goddamn
dense
motherfucker
how hard is it to comprehend
its a regular dragonslayer tier sword
with a fucking hammerhead on the end
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Killamagig
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>>255480292
any pole weapons has a massive disadvantage in close quarters. beat the pole to the side and go to town on the spearman's chest
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>>255480173
all pole weapons are derivatives of the spear and follow the same basic principles, just with different weapon heads
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>>255480521
>internet explorer
>4:3
truly primitive
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>>255480314
>cut in half by a tool
Who the hell would be bringing a woodcutter's axe to a fight that wouldn't be instantly shit upon by even a moderately trained militiaman?
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>>255480204
IIRC Odysseus quad-wielded spears for a bit after he came home.
For ordinary mortals?
No. You're better off with a longer spear or a shield in your off hand.
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>>255480467
eat shit faggot
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>>255480521
UNCOUTH BARBARIAN
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>>255470757
They have their various uses.
>axe
Good for armoured or un-armoured open tents. A solid mix of blunt force and cutting. But there are so many variations it's best to use them for what they were designed for. You wouldn't use a wood cutting axe to fight the cavalry.
>Hammers
Good for armored opponents the best. Takes not to get it to move, but it fucks up what it hits. Hurts through the armour, as well as damaging the armour. Good shit.
>swords
Best for unarmoured opponents, or opponents with exploitable weak points in their armour. A claymore and things like it are acceptable for armoured opponents, but your sword will take a lot of damage because it's so thin compared to a hammer or mace. Looks pretty good, though. So at least you'll die looking spiffy.
Best weapon coming through:Magic
You can use this shit for any opponent, even ones resistant to magic. Why? You can make spells that weaken their resistance. Fuck warriors, magic is the true power of winners.
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>>255480579
Any spearman worth their salt will just move their hands farther up on the haft. It's not like spears can only be used in a certain area away from the wielder.
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>>255480727
A FUCKING SWORD
S W O R D
WITH A GODDAMN H A M M E R
ON THE FUCKING END OF IT
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>>255480521
Looks fake as fuck.
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>>255480521
>Internet Explorer
>Reddit bookmarks

I thought /k/ was safe.
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>>255470848
You're okay.
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>>255480751
ain't no beauty in the battlefield
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>>255480840
>move your hands up the spear
>all the weight of the back end magically disappears

Wielding a spear away from the center of mass is pointless and highly ineffective
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>>255480807
Fucking autocorrect. This is what I get for posting on my phone on the toilet.
>open tents
Opponents
>takes not
Takes a lot
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>>255480396
if you read what he says he doesn't advocate dueling a gunman out in the open, but chooing where and when to fight
at mid range (about 10', or 20 if you are a shot throwing it) the spear is not completely outclasses and can win against a gun if used well

http://www.coldsteel.com/files/Riposte/The-Spear.pdf
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>>255475659
You do know that swords can be used to thrust? Also not every soldier could afford a full plate armor.

Swords are the most costly weapons and the most well balanced.
Axes/Hammers/Halberds were used because they were cheap as fuck to make and maintain, they're basically a piece of sharp or pointy metal with a long woodshaft.
Poleaxes/Pikes started to become popular when firearms appeared because those were slow to charge making their users vulnerable to cavalry.
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>>255481046
As a hockey fan, I had to disable autocorrect in order to talk to my friends about any players at all. I make some stupid spelling errors, but none of that dumb shit that autocorrect forces happens.
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>>255470757
Depends on the situation. Modern day, I have to choose one and a gun isn't available? Sword. Longer, can thrust, nobody wears metal armor. Enough said.
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>>255480898
Not him, but am I doing it right, anon?
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There's a reason we've been using spears since fuckever
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I think one of the more interesting facets of spear combat was actual formation warfare.

As a single weapon it's decidedly unimpressive, but as a drilled group it becomes a lot more effective militarily, even up to the Renaissance and later, with the Spanish Tercios.

As a singular, personal combat thing though, you can do a lot better. There's a lot more factors to warfare than which has the pointlongerer or the sharpyedgest.
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>>255480898
>implying your shit would work
it's a terrible idea son, get it over with
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>>255481318
9/11 would wield.
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In terms of vidya gaems crushing damage is usually the best as it is effective against nearly everything, including spooky skeletons, golems, armored opponents and so on.

Also Hammers/maces often come with advantages that stun enemies or something similar, which is always good to have.
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>>255477834
Because you're low level.
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>>255481318
SWORD
HAMMERHEAD
FUCK

>>255481430
>hammersword is a terrible idea
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>>255481185
I would not use a sword If your opponent is wearing anything tougher than leather.
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>>255481185
a sword has a lot of weight behind it and is also very accurate
with heavy armor people just made sturdier thin/sharper swords to get at those weak points

an unarmed swordman could take out a fully armed Knight if he knew what he was doing

not to mention the pommel could be used as a mace to bash their head in
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>>255481121
>coldsteel
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>>255480898
>>255481318
Like this?
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>>255481043
Not really, if all you need to do is defend yourself until you can regain the reach advantage. And spears don't weigh very much, they're only like 2 pounds.

>>255481121
Well no shit sherlock, but the problem is that guns have ranges of several hundred meters or more, and if you throw it you're not getting a second shot. If you can choose where you're fighting than you could probably defeat a gunman with your bare hands by jumping on him and disarming him before he gets a shot off.
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>>255477834
As I said, he camps early floors and is high-level for where you find him, combined with debilitating magic.
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>>255481660
guess how I know you've never held a sword in your life
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>>255471992
*tugs braid*
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battle mace or hammer for crowds

accept no substitutes
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>>255481774
>being this condescending
>has never heard of halfswording
top kek
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>>255481341
Because they're the most simple weapon, aside from fucking clubs?
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Slings are really undervalued, come to think of it.

Brytenwalda educated me.
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>>255481371
Is the leg screw-on or is it just a pin? That's a neat idea, but there are two problems I can see with it.

1: If the club is screwed onto the base and the table, then it would take entirely too long to get that thing ready for any sort of intrusion
2: If it isn't, it'll probably be really easy to knock the whole thing over

Also, metal grips would be super uncomfortable, would be better if they were leather or at least just the one in the back.

Oh and it would suck if you had a lamp on that shit or something. I'd hate to have a table that I have to keep completely empty next to my bed incase someone breaks in when I can just have a baseball bat under my bed.
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>>255478923
I hope this pasta never dies. God bless /tg/.
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>>255480064
>>255479646
>I don't know how pictures were taken back then
Okay, anon. There were long as fuck exposure times. They had to be holding this pose for around 2 minutes.
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>>255481614
Okay, so you want an edged weapon with a blunt object on top of it
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>>255481729
THIS ISN'T A GAME MOTHERFUCKER THIS IS ABOUT A GODDAMN HAMMERSWORD
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>Spears, slings, bows, pikes and poleaxes have been the most used weapons until made obsolete by gunpowder (And even then, pikes trucked on for another century)
>They're always used by secondary characters, women or asians as exotic weapons

Fuck swords and fuck the west's obsession with swords. Even the fucking samurai loved bows more than their shitty ornamental knives.
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>>255476981
But the spear beat the sword in that fight.
It was just that the drunk latino cock got carried away and lost to the determined soldier.
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>>255482060
NO, I WANT A FUCKING
H A M M E R
S W O R D
YOU FUCKING CUNTS ITS NOT A DIFFICULT CONCEPT
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>>255482065
This must be the best thread in the whole week.
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>>255481614

Hammersword is shit.

Real motherfuckers use the Swordhammer, a hammer with a sword sticking out of the end.
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>>255480913
It's a piece of wood with sharp things in it, how in the fuck is that fake you autist?
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>>255481614
Wait anon, I can fix it.
Better?
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>>255481896
>halfswording
>useful technique
literally only used when wrestling with your sword after it's lodged in somebody
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>>255482243
THATS JUST A GODDAMN SWORD YOU SHIT YOU AREN'T FOOLING ANYONE
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>>255478075

>implying they dont have shields
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>>255474165
This looks like some ancient Mesopotamian shield and spear, and the hair fits too, but the armor and sword are waaay off.

A person with that kind of shield would never have that kind of sword and vice versa.
Its like being armed with cevlar armor and a musket.
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>>255482226
Okay, so you want a duel edged weapon, like a sword, and instead of a tip, you want it to be a blunt object like hammer
Goddamn you autistic faggot are annoying
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>>255482226

wait

wait

what if


what if we made the pommel

a hammer
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>>255482102
>bringing a fish to combat
You're basically asking for nippon steel to slice open your stummy.
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>>255474690
>stick them with the spike
>they die
>cant pull my weapon
>I die to the next guy

You are meant to use the blunt end mostly, else you get stuck in armor and bone and you are defenseless for a few seconds.
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>>255481774
I do medieval re-enactments
you have no idea what you are talking about and I assume you get your sword knowledge from such illustrious sources as anime and tv

a sword isn't a rasor balde, you can cut your hand a little if it means taking out an armorer opponent
armor was hardly made someone invincible and they were still very weak if you knew how to take them

which again is why swords were never phased out as you say but perfected to take out armored opponents

its why broadswords of the 10th-11th century are replaced by thinner, pointed ones latter in the 14th-15th
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>>255482353
ALMOST THERE, IT MUST BE A 2 SIDED HAMMER OTHERWISE ITS SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>255482404
SPOT FUCKING ON
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Pic related is the best modern weapon for melee IMO
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Dual axes
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>>255479291

>not having a bayonet
>implying rifles dont make the best spears
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>>255478717

Wasn't it banned only against Christians though? Been a while since i read up.
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>>255482353
>topheavy
>can't stab
>can't hold like a warhammer without wearing mail gloves
>blade either worthlessly thick to hold the hammer up or thin enough to shatter the first time the hammer is used
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>>255482580
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Greatsword

what are you? a casul who can't time triple charges?
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>>255482539

>lightning bolt, lightning bolt!
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>>255481947
I imagine that they are just pins, but unless you are knocking the table over constantly, you won't have any problems with it falling apart.

As for keeping things on it, I doubt you would want to put anything like a lamp on it if you bought the thing for self defense. At most, I could see putting an alarm clock on it, but even then, I would most likely only use it for my daily carry shit. Wallet, phone, pocket knife, and the such.

I do agree with you about the metal grips though, that just seems like poor design by someone unfamiliar with weapons.
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>>255482542
Kill yourself
Honestly that the most retarded thing I have ever writin in my life and now I feel a great shame
what this nigger said >>255482417 makes more fucking sense then what the hell your thinking
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>>255482417
that is what they used it for man
check out the Talhoffer manal

>hurr u can only use weapons like they do in movies doe
>>255482551
it is basically the perfected club in all aspects
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>>255470757
Swords- Good for slashing limbs off peasants and light infantry in general, bad against the dudes in armor.
Hammer-Fuck no, I'll assume you meant mace or general bludgeoning equipment (Flails,Morningstars, etc): Good against said dudes in armor, not as good against peasants and light infantry as a sword.
Axe-Best of both worlds, crushes armor AND rends limbs to let people bleed to death.
That's for one handed. For twohanded weapons, get a fucking Poleaxe, all the t
reach of a spear and the power of an axe.
This is the only correct option.
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>>255482542
Aight nigga, I got this.
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>>255482889
>makes more sense than what you're thinking
ITS A FUCKING HAMMER ON A SWORD FAGGOT I DON'T KNOW HOW I CAN EXPLAIN IT BETTER, IT JUST FUCKING WORKS
>>255483116
REMOVE THE CROSSGUARD NIGGER
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>>255471091
>>255471723
>>255471992
>>255481859
the greatest fucking people ever on 4chan.
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>>255482417
>Implying that they didn't use pommels as hammers

Niggas would just grab the swords by the blades and whack people who couldn't be stabbed or slashed.
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>>255482859
Yeah they're probably pins. I wouldn't want to put on alarm clock on it because I whack that shit hard when it goes off and I'd probably knock the whole thing over and an empty table just looks tacky too me. Not a big deal, though, it's a neat idea.
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>>255482852
more like hordes of drunk chavs taking the piss out of each other
but i assume you know all about these things from your intense daily online escapades
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>>255482226
you mean something like this?
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Hammersword.

Seems like a good way to take your eye out.
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>>255478884
That was probably a fucking mall katana.
Biased shitheads.
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>>255482551
>hollow baseball bat that bends on heavy impact
>Not using highly pressurized wood in the shape of a broadsword that will break through bone easily and can have the sides bladed
Maximum
Casual
As an australian i can say cricket is a shitty sport compared to baseball, and that's saying something
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>>255482551
>lightweight
>strong
>doesn't need maintenance
>big fucking impact
>comes in all kinds of sizes
yes
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>>255483426
>>255483439
YOU GODDAMN ASSFUCKS
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Flanged mace.
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my dick
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>>255483492
>hollow baseball bat that bends on heavy impact
>using a shitty brand
Good ones don't bend. At all.
I don't even play baseball, I just know a good weapon when I see one.
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Swaxe (courtesy of Bioware)
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>>255483627
Short range, prone to breaking, considered offensive in America.
2/10 weapon at best, giving it a point for being easy to conceal.
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>>255482226

Couldn't you just take a pole hammer, make the shaft metal and give it an edge?
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>>255481643
Anyway if you are not trained to wield a sword, I'd go with an axe. If you swing it at the right time, you have better chances to kill your opponent than with a sword.

However, you have to keep in mind that swords were used on the battlefield, and that, on a battlefield, you might have more than a single opponent. A sword can be swung faster and easier than any other weapons while using very little energy from its wielder. If the fight lasts more than half an hour, you'll be glad to be wielding a sword.
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>>255483456
Katanas are cavalry swords man
they aren't all that effective otherwise and cant be used in as many situations as the longsword
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>>255471091

He is the storm
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>>255483116
>drei
>three
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>>255483556
better?
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>>255483220
SLOW DOWN THERE BUCKO, I DON'T HAVE MY TABLET OUT

I EVEN MADE THE HANDLE LONGER SO YOU DON'T HAVE TO HANDLE THE BLADE
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>>255481371
That shield has a fucking retarded design.
>small as fuck
>handle isn't in the middle, so you have to hold your entire fucking arm infront of you to block, restricting movement heavily
There's a reason they didn't make small shields like that. Bucklers and most roundshields had the handle in the middle and were not strapped to the arms because that's the whole fucking point of them, making a small light shield that you can be mobile with and block things dynamically.
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>>255483220
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>>255483492
>tfw Australia
>bashed because I played baseball instead of cricket
>whole time they just kept making shitty baseball references
Life is pain.
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>>255483749
Every time I see that sack of shit I vomit a bit.

>>255483538
Lance master race.
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>>255483556
just admit that your idea is bad and you should feel bad
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>>255483810
I WISH I COULD HATE YOU TO DEATH
>>255483813
YES FUCKING PERFECT
>>255483858
SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THE FUCK IM TALKING ABOUT
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>>255483813
Once the Bash-Blade is mass produced...
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>>255483991

Someone get us a time machine, we're going to win the hundred years war!
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>>255483976
m8 the hammersword looks retarded and I can't see how it would work
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>>255483813
>>255483858
>>255483976
That shit doesnt make sense. You dont need the hammer, the longsword is big and heavy enough to already hit like a truck.
Even if you dont cut, the force of impact will break bones.
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>>255483492
what are you gonna do with that
smack'em on the bum?

>not using an authentic ash hardwood Louisville slugger and imploding someones skull
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>>255484237
this
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>>255484231
>>255484237
>>255483941
YOU DROOLING RETARDS JUST CAN'T FUCKING APPRECIATE THE THOUGHT AND PROCESS OF THE HAMMERSWORD, SPEAR BABBIES GO HOMU
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>>255484310
Hell yeah, just wrap that shit in a chain and some barbed wire and you got a genuine killstick.
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>>255484237
shut up
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>>255483843
because its a reddit tier novelty product
why not just have an actual bad by your bed
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>>255484310
>not taking Louie the slugger to both headlights
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>>255484534
>not slashing a hole in all four tires
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>>255484310
Wooden sticks break man
aluminum is better
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>>255484453
>>255484310
>>255484534
ILL TAKE A MINUTE TO STOP TALKING ABOUT THE HAMMERSWORD AND POST THIS
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>>255484372
>spear
just use a gun you dingus
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>>255483843
Straping a shield to your arm like that is stupid in general, you want to be able to move the shield to cover your legs.
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>>255482852
/tg/ here
LARPers are mostly only that autistic here in 'Murica
On the polar opposite side, Russian people actually die on occasion thanks to complete lack of safety and utter chaos.
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My weapon of choice, shearing knife. Bitches ain't even ready for my giant ass razor-blade
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>>255473895
>>255473976
Guys, guys. Vampire Killer did it right. Flail + whip.
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>Using physical weapons when magic exists in most fantasy settings
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>>255484721
>guns
>honorabru
GET THAT FUCKING CASUAL ASS BABBY TIER SHIT OUT OF HERE
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>>255484689
This is even dumber. Unwieldy and a simple small knife blade would to the same job.
You can aven have 4 small blades around the bat and call it a mace or whatever those mexian obsidian axes were.
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>>255484769
>blade remains the same
>handle gets longer
for what purpose
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>>255484453

Paint it green and you've got yourself a mass production contract. We'll retake solomon with our new prototype Bat Zam.
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>>255484689
I'd like it better if the point didn't go over the back. Reduces the bashing ability of the other end slightly.
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>>255484508
Or a gun.

I'm just pointing it out because even though it's novelty, it's more retarded than it could be.
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>>255483749
The handle is as long as the blade
What the actual fuck
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>>255475943
Axes have a lot less metal in them, which makes them a lot easier and cheaper to make. Makes sense for bandits to use them.
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>>255483685
The club (or in a baseball bat's case, an extended club) has always been a reliable and effective, albeit primitive weapon. the biggest problem i find with bats, especially ones made of metal, is reverberation.
yeah, you're gunna be able to hit shit hard, and it's gunna HURT, but it's going to destroy your hands if you're fully gripped during impact. Wood is different, it absorbs the impact alot more and if it doesn't break off it gets harder from the impact.
the same logic wouldn't apply to swords or anything else that has a small contact surface area, unless they were fuckhuge.
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>>255484764
Sounds like good fun.

>>255484890
>einhander
>zweihender
>dreihender
>polizeihender
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>>255484940
>handle
that's a second sword wrapped up
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>>255484643
aluminum bends and gets misshapen easily
a well made solid hardwood bat will take a lot to break it, and it packs a harder punch than a hollow bat
metal doesn't make it stronger
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>>255482580
Please tell me the head rotates.
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>>255484726
It depends on the shield, I'm not familiar with bigger shields but I'm pretty sure the ones that were big enough to cover most of your body were often strapped around your arm like that.
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>>255484764

I love Russia's absolute lackadaisy approach to everything. It's like they realise how meaningless one individual is, but are too drunk to care.
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>>255484864
>this is even dumber
REMOVE YOURSELF FROM THE PREMISES YOU'RE A FUCKING RETARD
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>>255484890
Probably for more range so you can shear the upper whorl of the tree more efficiently
(I shear trees)
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>>255485148
It's honestly kinda beautiful. It's like a whole country stepped back and said, y'know what, we don't really give a shit about anything.
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>>255485159
dude calm down
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>>255485040
>a sword so large it needs 3 men to operate it
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>>255484998
You can wrap the handle in something that absorbs the vibrations.
>>255485081
Are you seriously trying to discuss the strength of metal vs wood?
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>>255484689

Is that meant to be a voulge?
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No weapon greater than deception.
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>>255485058
FOR WHAT PURPOSE
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>>255485129
True, but those are only used by greeks and romans.
The german/saxon/viking shields were used in formation and in skirmishing and were generally more successful.
Which is why they survived longer on the battlefield.
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>>255484310
I'm going to smack them on the head and cause serious brain damage with minimal effort.
then i'm gunna turn it sideways, with all the force behind it on a small surface area, and use it to break bones with ease.
There's a reason the wide + thin weapon design works so well.
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>>255479229
If someone is charging at you, you only get one serious chance to hit them with your spear, miss that chance and he's next to you putting whatever shorter ranged weapon he has in your face. If he has a shield, that one chance is gonna be very hard to hit.
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>>255485334
I CAN'T FUCKING CALM DOWN WHEN YOU BLUBBERING SPERGS SHOOT DOWN EVERY FUCKING THING
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