Hell I miss the old threads when the only game released in the

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I miss my lady :(

by far the worst souls game.

Agree completely OP. It's been very disappointing to see what happened to the fanbase and I doubt Bloodborne is going to be able to fix it since everyone who can't have it wants to shitpost about it now.

Anyway if you want to start a good thread you should have a topic. Favourite area?

I think Shrine of Storms has the best aesthetics of the whole series so far. Gotta respect people when they say Latria or the swamp but the shrine strikes a nice balance between comfy and intimidating.

>>254827548
By far the worst tripfag

>>254826987

If anbything,DeSfags are the worst part of the fanbase.

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pcfags and xkids will never have this

>>254826987
I miss the old threads too

>>254826987
I'm working my way through DaS. I intend on playing this next (if I can find it anywhere). What are the differences in gameplay so I know what to look forward to?

>>254828637
Honestly, the combat just isn't as good, it's much floatier. However, there's not as much focus on enemy interaction as there is in DaS, it's more about environment interaction. DeS also has some great boss fights compared to DaS.

i have a question: how hard is it to plat demon's souls? got the plat in DaS I/II and would like to play this game too, but i'm a huge fag and want the plat if i play it. any opinions on difficulty with and without self duping

>>254828892
>DeS
>Good bosses

lel

>>254828330

Confirmed for not being around when we had DeS threads. It was actually great.

Bought a ps3 to play by this game. Dark Souls was superior in every day, and even though Demon's was a lot more punishing, the bossfights and gameplay was simply worse.

Demons souls plebs ruined the fanbase.

>>254828946
A Platinum trophy will require quite a bit of grinding.

>>254829149
This. Souls became shit because of the Sony fanbase.

>>254828946
you can handle it anon

Went from DaS to DaS2 and then to DeS
DeS was too short and easy.

>>254829149
Yeah, we used to have great King's Field threads before DeSfags came with their pleb cancer.

>>254828946
Hardest of the 3. World Tendency weapons and PURE FUCKING BLADESTONE are a pain. I still did it and it was fun. Pure Bladestone took me 11 fucking hours of grinding to find though.

>>254829340
And that is why the fanbase sucks
they are all too easy if you played your entire life playing video games.
Difficulty wasn't the point untile DaS2.

DeS artwork and level design is unmatched

>>254826987
>the community became shit after that

Yeah, who knew Sony fans would take it so badly, having the series expand onto other systems.

>>254829340
DeS fanbase became insecure because Sony fucked up and From Software made Dark Souls Multiplat. Since DeS was the only good reason to own a PS3 a lot of you felt insecure and had the need to shitpost all souls games going forward.

I never played Demon's Souls because I'm dumb. I wish I still had my PS3.

>>254829186
>>254829361
i've heared about the bladestone thing. i normally like farming. isn't world tendency just always going hollow into the chapters and killing all bosses to get pure white and then dying like 7 times or so to get pure black?

>>254829667
buyer's remorse is a terrible thing to get over

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>>254829046
The whole was mentality is what I think he is referring to.
You guys never actually talk about demon's souls, you only take about how great it was when you did talk about it and how dark souls ruined it.
I like DeS a lot, but come on now. You have to notice DeS threads are usually just people saying xbots and pcfags won't get to play it and they only get to play Dark Souls.

>>254829814
Pretty much. Always suicide in the nexus and keep track of all tendency related events so you dont miss anything. Also make sure to get the correct ending because 1 of the endings gives the soul required for the final spell.

>>254830207
see
>>254828441

Does anyone know of a let's play where the player is using fluted armour, a long sword and a shield?

>>254830525
Yeah thats what I mean. Why are you quoting me to it?

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Demon had best NPC. Sure, Dark had Solaire and Onion and Dark 2 had Gavlan Wheel Gavlan Deal, but Stockpile Thomas is the best.

>>254830207
I'm not the guy you were talking to but you can definitely tell you weren't here for the early threads. I'm not justifying the behaviour of DeS fans now as I think you're right that it all too often turns into petty arguments but the problem definitely happened when the series expanded to casual xbots and only got worse with the PC release.

The people who played and talked about Demon's Souls back then did it because they loved it not because they were bandwagoning on a social phenomenon. The conversation was much more friendly/intelligent and the OC was amazing.

>>254829416
>prepar to diexD

omg pc gaymers ruen mi comunitie :(
sonyponies are the literal worst

Demons is one of the most boring games I've ever played to be honest.

This is coming from someone who heavily enjoyed dark souls and dark souls 2.

>>254831054
I know, I was in those.
I am not talking about those. I am talking about how they are long over and how people repeatedly make threads to blame dark souls for it and not actually talk about the game.
The threads were real fucking nice before, yeah. But now they are no better than all the dark souls threads people blame for it. People sit around and just complain about others.

>>254830568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLItPEpkK7A&list=PLdg60-UktzB6r3dq3aqPxmhIBwM2HgV2O
I guess this sort of counts

>>254831486
Well that sentiment I can get behind. I was actually this >>254827551 guy telling OP he should have started with a topic instead.

>>254826987
Hell I miss times when nobody said this game is shit(and so are all souls games) I want to get back to my hugbox.

Go to neogaf they like guys like you

Shame that I never got around to the series before the community and games went to shit.

>>254831346
>heavily enjoyed Dark Souls 2

Well it's good to know that I can just disregard your opinion then, thanks.

>>254831789
What's your favorite game faggot?

>>254830885
You have a heart of gold op,

DaS>DeS

I have yet to play DaS2 but I don't expect too much.

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>>254826987

DaS threads were civil too. Things went to shit when people began arguing about which games were best and when people began calling both or one of the games shit. Don't fucking dare try to blame of the games for this.

>>254832608
As if he's gonna answer that and get destroyed for his pleb taste.

>>254833254
I knew it.

>>254832985

DaS threads were good in the beginning when everybody was still trying to figure out what to do where. Questions from new players were answered nicely and calmly.
But the game got more popular, the community bigger which meant more idiots joined in. Now the Wikis were full with tips and strategies how to beat bosses/areas so that fucking "get good" meme came to life and you could just forget any discussion about the game. I hate those people.

>>254831486
The Souls series just got too popular, and has long since attracted the people on /v/ who only come here to shitpost at everything, and the people who parrot everything they do.

See
>>254827548
>>254828441

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>best greentext stories
>best comics
>best laughs
>best discovery
>no stupid meme shit
>best random friend requests

I miss it too. Dark Souls was alright for about 3-4 months, until the fanbase turned into Facebook/Reddit users. There is no hope for the community now. See below..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N7J802QzP4&list=UUe0DNp0mKMqrYVaTundyr9w

http://www.patreon.com/vaatividya

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>>254835186

>LPDarkSoulsHD
>7 months ago

>There's something truly magical about this community. Call me crazy, call me naive. But I feel like a very select breed of people are drawn to the Souls series. Almost every person I ask about this series has either no idea what it is or they DO know what it is and can't stand it. When Dark Souls launched in my state there were 3 people there.... And even those 3 people didn't seem nearly as "into it" as I was. I was beyond disappointed. I have high hopes for Dark Souls 2 since the growth of this franchise has amounted to something impressive over the past 2 years. But I think this song is nothing short of brilliant. It really cups a hold of your enthusiasm for this game and creates a sensation that not everyone is going to feel and I'm proud of that. These games are scary and that's the ultimate truth. It takes the will of a knight and the heart of an adventurer to stand up to this series, arms in hand. Well I appreciate this series with all of my heart and soul. When Dark Souls 2 arrives I'll be ready to tread the unknown once again with my sword gripped tight shield held high. Remember this: Whatever awaits in this series, new or old, you will always have an amazing community to turn to. Never forget that.

>>254835186
You can always tell the winners at the starting gate m8. You can always tell the winners, and you can tell the losers. And sadly for you Demons was the winner

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>>254826987
>tfw you've never played Demon's Souls because of its exclusivity

>>254835613

Fuck off Vaati.

>>254835763
The fuck? PS3's are cheap as shit right now.

>>254835186

Has that faggot even made OC? Everything I've seen of his was just copypasta shit from /v/ or /dsg/.

>>254835914
As a full-time college student they aren't.

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DeS would've been so much better without a couple of the stages.

>path leading to Allant
>5-2
>last part of Boletaria

Game was hard enough depending on what limits you put upon yourself. Some of the shit I greentexted was just artificial though.

>>254836061

Pretty much. He got called out on it, then when he started shilling all hell broke loose, he had a cry and ran to reddit for a hugbox.

I'm borrowing a friends ps3 to play mgs4, is this worth picking up if I liked dark souls?

>>254836462
Of course.

>>254828946
Nice try with the Bladestone.

>>254836462

Why don't you find out on your own you dumbfuck?

>>254836194
>DeS
>hard

The only hard part was first fight with Allant and trying not to fall at the 4-2 bosses. DeS was easy as fuck, I had a shitton of spare bodies by the time I finieshed it.

>>254827421
SO THE SOUL MIGHT BE MENDED

>>254826987
Prince of Boletaria > Chosen Undead > that new guy

>>254836594
Allant is EZ too though.

>>254835186
Fuck yes des comics were the shit.

>>254835521
I literally cringed.

The reason Vaati is so popular is because he's a normalfag ENB wannabe, so he relates to what the community is now. A bunch of meme spewing normalfags. He has zero dignity and is basically pewdiepie level jew.

>>254835521
This is why I drink.

>>254829340
I played them in the order they came out and I thought that each installment was easier than the one before it

>>254836772
As I said, the first fight with him is hard. The one where you don't know what to expect.

>>254836194
>5-2
>bad

Ultimate pleb detected.

>>254836594
eh, i didnt say it was hard. More it was just tedious in parts. beat darksouls 2 ng++ at sl1 so im no slouch

Things DeS did better than DaS:
>Maiden in Black
>Nexus was bitchin'

Things DaS did better than DeS:
>everything else

>>254837052
im drunk i mean dark souls 1 ng+ sl1

still, no slouch obviously

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>>254835521
>But I think this song is nothing short of brilliant.

Literally 15 years old.

>>254836785
How is he a memespouter aside from maybe one or two short joke videos adapting the comics into film?

Ya faggots will hate on anything popular.

>>254837114
DaS is literally an unfinished game, Lost Izalith, Demon Ruins, the beach with the dragon, all feel like demo areas. And its atmosphere is nowhere near as good as DeS'

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>There's people in this thread who question the purity and good deeds of Astraea.

Explain yourself.

People always complain about bladestone but fucking pure DM stone is the real fucking bitch to get because at least the red eye skeletons resawn

>>254837275

Fuck off Vaati.

>>254836462
definitely, but don't expect it to be as alive as it was back when it first came out. I doubt you'll come across any phantoms too (both blue and red)

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>>254837275
>How is he a memespouter aside from those times he spouted memes and used /v/ comics to make shitty videos with

You are literally retarded Vaati. Go suck afro or ippiki's dicks again you desperate faggot.

>>254837390
And even as an unfinished game it's much longer and has better areas than DeS.

>And its atmosphere is nowhere near as good as DeS'
>item descriptions bland as hell
>absolutely no background on anything aside from the bare bones of how Boletaria was functioning
>The whole structure is bland as hell too
>Every level is a corridor with an occasional shortcut if it was a bit longer than usual, most of the time not

The community is beyond shit now. Everyone gets so violently angry about every goddamn aspect of Dks2. It's embarrassing. Every LP I've even watched of the game contains at least a 10 minute section of the LPer bitching about how much better they thought Dks1 was. I just enjoy the game, man. Apparently that makes me "wrong" and "stupid" because I don't blame my deaths on the game. I wanted to be a part of the community, but there's no room in such a violent community for someone who enjoys 2.

is vaati the new epic name bro?

>>254837501
>>254837772
>hurfdurf

It's an honest question. I watched everything DaS and DeS related from him aside from any fan-made songs because fuck that noise, it's never good.

>>254837818
>pfffffft standards

>>254837946

fuck
off
vaati

>>254837818
Don't blame the community for reacting negatively to a shit sequel. Good for you if you can just enjoy it, but it's not the community's fault for expecting a decent game.

>>254837390
> tfw all Souls games are unfinished
> That broken archstone and info in games resources in DeS

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>>254838094
>/v/ in charge of rationalising hate

>>254837818
DaS II was good. Yeah it has some bland, and non-memorable characters and bosses, but it's not that bad.

>>254838104
Don't listen to him. He doesn't know fuck all about the community. He sounds exactly like a late-comer to DaS.

Fuck I want a new King's Field

Why are Soulsfags always so buttblasted about DA COMMUNITY if the games are basicly singleplayer with some occasional PvP?

>>254837946
are there actually any good DaS/DeS youtubers?

>>254838172
>vaati in charge of fucking off

>>254838104
That's fine. It's their opinion, but they just get so fucking angry about it. It's just a video game. I get so many angry replies on any given forum for even admitting that I like the second game. It's crazy. There's a definite lack of maturity in the Souls community now.
Also, side question, why doesn't anyone just use a shield?? I only roll as a last resort, and I've never experienced "bullshit hitboxes" in 2.

>>254837954
Not even him but oh, fuck off, you niggers always put DaS1 in a pedestal like it's a perfect game while ignoring all of it's flaws and it's annoying as fuck.

>>254838334
Because all of the discussion about it are casuals calling it too hard and saying how funny pewds was playing it.

>>254838334

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't ask stupid questions.

>>254837275
This damage control..

>>254837946
So you watched all the regurgitated lore shit a spewed?

Good for you I guess.

>>254838425
>I only roll as a last resort
That's you. Not everybody plays like that.

>I've never experienced "bullshit hitboxes" in 2.
You're unobservant.

>>254838537
>discussing a singleplayer game

What for?

>>254838331

Heh, wondering about that too. It seems entertaining youtubers are always devoid of skills...

>>254838331
The closest you can get is Shadow Tower: Abyss for the PS2. It was never sold outside of Japan so just download a translated .iso from somewhere.

Is Demon's Souls extremely easy or does it just seem like that to me because I played hundreds of hours of DaS first? The only boss I took more than two tries on was Flamelurker, I was getting destroyed but I came back later and beat him with the crescent falchion straight away. I died once to Allant because he was the seventh boss I fought and I was too low vit to take a soulsucking, and I died once against Garl because he was hiding in the swamp where you can't move and instantly get the plague. Everything else was done first time. I used fluted armor and a knight sword which was at +7 when I finished, took 14.5 hours. I just felt disappointed that I got through it so easily, considering so many people claim that Dark Souls is a casualised version of its gameplay.

>>254838645
It's a game full of secrets and interpretive lore which is fun discussing. That and every player has fun moments to share.
It's also fun to discuss opinions with people like you would with any film/video game/music ya dingus

>>254838519
>/v/ is one person

Sure Dark Souls is flawed, but it was fun. Maybe I was expecting more, or maybe I'm burnt out since 2009, but Dark Souls 2 was pure boredom. It's the first time during a first playthrough I've put down the controller out of boredom.

For the experienced player, Dark Souls 2 is literally quantity > quality.

Why did FromSoftware nerfed some things in DSII? I mean, the very first patches which nerfed the Last Giant and Lost Sinner?
The were not hard and Last Giant was a nice starting challenge.

>>254838747
yes, it's an incredibly easy game

>>254838747
Demon's Souls is definitely easier, though it's obviously even easier for you since you played DaS first.

>>254838747
It is. It's easier than DaS2.

>>254838747
>I died once to Allant because he was the seventh boss I fought

Not possible.

>>254838747
It's because you played DaS first.
The only challenge from DaS is un-casualising yourself from most of the AA handholding you've gotten used to, and while it's never hard it's just not baby-tier forgiving like most games. All the Souls games play very similar, so being good at one means you're good at all of them.

>>254838519
Agreed. There is no "perfect game". Especially towards the end of DaS1 with the copypasta'd capra and taurus demons. It's shit design, but nobody ever admits that.

>>254838645
>discussing any vidya

WHY

>>254838747
It's because you've played hundreds of hours of DaS.
It was hard as balls the first time I played it(no fucking guide or looking up FAQs.)
I plowed through it earlier this year after finishing DaS2.

>>254838984
Absolutely nobody denies that Demon's Ruins and Lost Izalith are clearly rushed.

>>254838519
Nobody said it was ever perfect, and whoever did is retarded. It's just a million times for fun than Dark Souls 2.

>>254838984
Most people forget about the biggest flaws as the game lets you skip them.

>>254838598
>if you don't know something, don't ask about it
Soulsfags logic.

>>254838857
Then why are you getting mad at the community? Discuss that shit, every thread is seventy diffrent dialogues going on at the same time anyway. How shitty people they are has absolutely no impact on the gameplay or lore you discuss with them.

>>254838984
>DaS2 had no copypasta enemies or bosses

top kek

>>254827421
I want to protect her demon

>>254839136
Bed of Chaos is still there.

>>254839160

A lot of people play just for the PVP. Go be a clueless retard somewhere else.

>>254839160
>How shitty people they are has absolutely no impact on the gameplay or lore you discuss with them.
Actually it does as usually their contributions are shit, wrong, or plain painful to see. That and their idea of "discussion" isn't actually discussion.

it's honestly like you interact with no human beings at all other than yourself or something for you to not grasp the basics as to how overexposure can saturate a community's discussion and adoration for a vidya game, even SP.

>>254838960
Phalanx > Tower Knight > Armor Spider > Flamelurker > Dragon God > Pursuer > Allant
Am I missing something?

>>254839227

Man that new DLC is nothing but copypasta.

>>254839281
I was meant to say "most of them", admittedly.
You can still kinda skip it by cheesing the shit out of it.

>ITT: Hipsters and fanboys
Goes for both the DeS fans and anti-fans.

>>254839405
Vanguard
I know I'm being pedantic as fuck

>>254839136
Ok fair enough. To think 4chan is the only place I've been able to discuss this without people screaming at me in all caps. To me, personally, and I only speak for myself when I say this, the whole boredom thing was the other way around. I found DaS1 boring about 3/4 through the game and put down the controller on my first playthrough, but in DaS2 I didn't get bored once. I guess it really is just a taste thing. Just confirming to you guys that there ARE people who think DaS1 is the boring one.

>>254839405
By Pursuer I mean Penetrator of course, sorry. Blame DaS2 for copypasting it.

>>254837390
>And its atmosphere is nowhere near as good as DeS'

I swear people are just praising DeS' "atmosphere" simply because they're supposed to.

>>254839482

Okay, special little snowflake.

>>254839357
>it's honestly like you interact with no human beings at all other than yourself or something for you to not grasp the basics as to how overexposure can saturate a community's discussion and adoration for a vidya game, even SP.

If that happens, you walk away from the threads for some time because you clearly got tired with them and do something else. There's always gonna be new people and they're always gonna ask dumb shit like myself.

Don't beat a dead horse, anon, go play and discuss something else, then come back.

>>254839526
>Blame DaS2 for copypasting it.

Are you talking about the design?

>>254839503
>Just confirming to you guys that there ARE people who think DaS1 is the boring one.
While that does rustle me slightly, it's actually pretty understandable. A lot of people seem to acknowledge that after Anor Londo DaS' quality takes quite a dice. O+S is basically the peak and the rest is just a lot more tedious.

>>254839572
I thought the story in DeS was stupid

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>>254835521

>It takes the will of a knight and the heart of an adventurer to stand up to this series, arms in hand

holy fucking shit this is the cringiest shit I've ever dead he must be from plebbit

>Shrine of Storms & Sen's Fortress > any location in Dark Souls 2

Seriously I have been invading since day on in Dark Souls 2, and have yet to find a fun as fuck place to invade.

>>254839778
>DeS
>Story

There's a big bad demon
Go kill all of its' lesser demons to lull it back to sleep
He got summoned by a king who fell into depression
THE END

>>254839838
>ever dead

READ

>>254839684
I agree. Which is why I personally got bored with the game. For the beginning of the game, I prefer DaS1, for the middle parts of the game, I prefer DaS2, and they all have kind of shitty endings, imo.

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>>254837390

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>>254839993
>invading with Storm ruler in 4-2

>>254834569

This.

Anything popular on /v/, regardless of quality, will be subject to immense amounts of shitposting.

This has happened with most games and series I enjoy, the more popular they get the more people shitpost.

>>254840054
At least it had a definitive ending and not some up-it's-own-ass story "climax" like in Dark Souls 1/2

I still prefer Dark Souls over DeS but just saying.

>>254840054
>He got summoned by a king who fell into depression

Nope, not what happened.

>>254840163
Every game was rushed to an extent, which is stupid because they should have been allowed more time to finalize their shit.

>>254840054
The story of the Souls series has always been simplistic

>DaS: You're the chosen one
>DaS II: You're the chosen monarch

>>254840163
that was supposed to be DLC that got canned

it's not the same

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>>254840163
Now imagine if they left the half-finished scraps of archstone #6 in the game. Maybe give them a weekend to copy and paste enemies everywhere as filler.

>>254840163

There's a difference to unfinished and completely scrapped, idiot.

MUH SECRET CLUB

fuck off. I played Demon's and it's shit compared to the sequels

>under 10 hours
>infinite healing items
>easy as piss bosses
>2sad4u bosses instead of actual bosses

>>254840378

I always get the impression everybody was told they're the chosen one and your guy was just the one that actually pulled it off, no actual fate bullshit involved.

>>254838747
>does it just seem like that to me because I played hundreds of hours of DaS first
Yeah, that's really just it.

Dark Souls is really a carbon copy of Demon's Souls in a lot of regards, but they throw in a whole bunch more cheap stuff and padded out the length more. I love both games equally, but if you made it through Dark Souls a bunch it should be no problem for anyone.

Hell, most of the shit from DeS that got people, like the dragon on the bridge, the Maneaters, Flamelurker, etc. was reused in DaS, so if you're going back to it it wouldn't be a surprise to you.

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>>254840476
I refuse to believe you are being serious.

>>254840418
>There's a difference to

Meant to say difference between.. Don't know where "to" came from..

>>254840054
the king is your father

you play as the prince of boletaria who either abandoned his home when everything went to shit, or left before that and his/her father went mad because of it

>>254840476
Bait.

>>254840262
Right, he was awakaned, my bad. He was under the Nexus since forever.
>>254840248
>you turn into a Monumental or allow The Old One to finish what it started
vs
>You burn like a cinderblock or put out the flames forever

I dunno, anon, I still like DaS more in this aspect.

>>254840378
DaS has a shitload of background on this, however. DeS does not.

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>>254840382
>>254840418

Whatever you say, friends.

>>254840476

Trolls don't even try anymore..

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Demon's Souls has:

- actually well designed, finished areas
- weapon paths which aren't utterly useless
- NPCs which names you actually remember and cordially care about
- unforgettable bossfights with soulful music
- endings which wrap up the experience satisfyingly

Dark Souls has:
- Covenants
- Uh, poise?
- Praise the sun guy

Dark Souls 2 has:
- Gender change coffin

>>254840401
copy pasted enemies are in the early levels in DaS and all throughout DeS.

>>254840609
>>254840586
But all he greentexted was true.

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>>254840803
Bait harder.

>>254840717

That's nice retard. Maybe learn to read next time.

>>254840674
About the endings, it would make sense if it ended like that but then Dark Souls 2 happened and they were like "Oh the ending doesn't matter! MUH CYCLES!

>>254840590
Ostrava, please, fighting your black phantom was sad enough, don't tell me we're brothers now.

>>254840248
did DaS even have an ending?

all I remember is beating the king, my character going all"warggh!" and shit and then the screen fading to black and NG+

>>254840476
as much as this is bait I do agree that Garl/Maiden was the shittiest boss ever, with Dragon God coming in close second. Storm king was also shitty and lame.

It's almost like they just half-assed bosses for all world 3's because they ran out of ideas

>>254840872
>I CAN'T HEAR YOU, MY EXCLUSIVE GAME IS WITH NO FAULT, LADIDADIDA, BAITBAITBAIT

How desperate are you.

>>254840872
>2014
>wearing nostalgia goggles

dont tell me you liked the healing system in demons

>>254840758
I really like the areas in DeS. How each world feels like you're exploring deeper into the same place. I also really like the unified world of Dark Souls, where everything fits together and you're pleasantly surprised to see you're not so far from where you began.

It's kind of baffling that Dark Souls 2 combined the two styles in all the wrong ways.

>>254840758

Don't knock poise. Best addition to the series in my opinion.

>>254840932

>learn to read

Read fucking what? What did my post suggest I misread?

>>254841019
Um yeah after you kill the joke final boss you get to choose whether to become a demon or lull the old one back to slumber.

>>254841105
>>254841117
Bait.

>>254841117

It was fun watching people you invaded munch out of desperation, and still killing them.

>>254841239
literally autistic

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Is there anyone on /v/ that isn't a tryhard that calls everything they play 'omg so ez!'?

Demon's Souls wasn't 'hard' (an example of hard, imo, is the Mega Man games, but that's because I'm not too great at them). It was however challenging.

Flamelurker and Allant had me on my toes the whole time, it was one of those fights where one fuck up on your timing and reactions could kill you.

Honestly the portion of the fanbase and screams that the game is easy as piss and everyone who found any aspect whatsoever of it is pure dogshit is probably the worst part. And hilariously they're also the people who scream 'artificial difficulty' when they die or genuinely do find something difficult.

Just sayin.

Tower of Latria is the best level out of any souls game

>>254841058
Holy shit this is the biggest bait of all time

>>254840758
>weapon paths which aren't utterly useless
you've got to be kidding me. they were completely useless. DaS fixed that completely and you'd be deluding yourself to thinking otherwise

>unforgettable bossfights
I truly couldn't forget how stupid most of them were (2-3, 4-3, all of VoD bosses) or just lame and easy (aside from 3 or 4 good ones)

>>254841175
>What did my post suggest I misread?

The difference between unfinished content, and scrapped content.

>>254840758
Dark Souls also has a brilliantly connected world and the best gameplay of the series.

>>254841380
>literally autistic

>Demon's Souls
>Challenging

Nice one.

>>254840803
Yeah but what he said also is viable to Dark Souls 2

>Under 10 hours
I beat all of the bosses in less than 7 or so
>Infinite healing items
Dks2 Had plenty of those, as well as plenty of checkpoints to refill your healing item/spells
>Easy bosses
Aside from a few yeah they are all simple
>2sad4u
Depth=/=Pretentiousness

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There is one change I really didn't like between DeS and DaS and that was the shitty loading screens.

Each time you loaded in DeS you had these intro cards to the characters you would meet, regardless of when it was. Made it feel like they all had some real weight and merit to them.

>>254841149
I love poise, but I hate how they took out the momentum for big weapons also.

Like, if you're using any weapon that weighs more than ten pounds, once you start your swing it should keep going. But after they introduced poise it turned to "I'm swinging my giant weapon! Oh no, I've been nicked in the elbow. Better recoil in pain! Stop moving, giant weapon, for I have barely been hit."

>>254837473
Yeah bro shes not a pure waifu, she took the demon dick till she became a demon herself.

>>254841380
>Demon's Souls wasn't 'hard'

Nobody said it was except for "gaming journalists", who are all shit at video games, and kept annoying the fuck out of Miyazaki asking him about the difficulty, which was a non-issue for him. They blew it out of proportion and that's how Dark Souls' atrocious tagline came about.

On a related note, did anyone else watch agermanspy lose his shit over auto-tracking. Like Jesus Christ, Franz. You're usually so mature. It's a video game, dude. And that was the second time he fucking lost it completely that episode. Sure, the game has flaws, but it's A GAME. I've never seen someone so professional that close to a full-blown temper tantrum before.

>>254841602
>one game is shit, it means the other is not

I share your sentiment about DaS2 though

>>254841454
It's true, how could you even call 5-3 a real boss? you just backstab garl because he's a fucking idiot and the girl doesn't do anything. It was more of a disappointment than BoC, which wasn't really a shock having already experienced the Dragon God, which is arguably worse.

And i'm saying this having really enjoyed DeS

>>254826987
It can't be that good if they didn't bother putting it on PC.

>>254841592
>implying the faggot who insists on calling everything 'easy' and acting like xXHaRdCoReXSePhIrOtHXx isn't autistic

>>254836651
It's "So the world might be mended" you tard.

>>254826987
Actually, the community became shit after Dark Souls got popular
In the beginning, even Dark Souls threads were great
but then the mainstream ruined it

>>254840054
>There's a big bad demon
A god actually

>Go kill all of its' lesser demons to lull it back to sleep
It's actually to call for King Allant's attention.

>He got summoned by a king who fell into depression
He was melancholic of the never ending suffering, he was already better because he believed that what he was doing was actually good.

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>>254841770
>one game is shit, it means the other is not
Not what I meant, the guy who said those things was saying DeS was shit compared to the sequels, I'm saying they were all shit in their own way.

>>254841602

>Under 10 hours
>Dark Souls 2

Yeah sure if you're a speedrunning faggot or some shit. I played Demon's Souls legit taking my damn time it was under 10 hours.

>Infinite healing items
It was far worse in Demon's. You could farm insta heal grass easily. Hell I didn't farm and had sets of 99.

>Easy bosses in 2
Smelter Demon, Dark Lurker etc
Demon's Souls has the easiest bosses in the series, the fat shit that just sits there, a glob with littile globs, and just about everything else

>>254841806
>It was more of a disappointment than BoC, which wasn't really a shock having already experienced the Dragon God, which is arguably worse.

Bait.

>>254841762
Yes but what I'm saying is /v/ seems to have this stigma where if you claim you found anything even remotely challenging, there's at least one autismal /v/irgin who just HAS to reply with 'OMFG THAT WAS NOT HARD YOU FILTHY CASUAL CUNT KILL YOURSELF'.

And then they go on to call things they actually die to artificial difficulty instead of admitting that it was actually challenging.

>>254840674
>DaS has a shitload of background on this
So does DeS. Your eyes are seeing what your mind wants to see.

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>that fucking hype
>that being tempted to watch chinese dudes play it early
>that first time being invaded
>that first time you beat maneaters and asked people about their experience

Besides Shenmue or Yakuza threads, DeS threads were the best I've ever been in.

RIP Souls series

RIP Miyazaki - forver doomed to make generic third person action-RPGs

>>254842058
the only I boss that I remember dying too was Old Hero, and I didn't know the fucker was blind.

>>254842201
Thank MGSO for coining git gud.

>>254841806
Dragon God at least made sense visually. Bed of Chaos is the exact same fight, but they had no way of communicating to the player they could hide behind the tiny-ass trees (and the floor won't fall out around them).

>>254842536
Dragon Boss made sense.

The fucker is just standing there and theres canons aimed right at him and he doesnt even bother to take them down.

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>>254842278
>tfw waiting for pic related to arrive in the mail from China
>tfw DeS pre-Euro/US release threads were 5 years ago

Christ, I'm pretty sure at least half of the current /v/ userbase didn't even know /v/ existed 5 years ago, or were probably 12 years old.

>>254842132
It's true, at least in BoC you can do it fairly quickly. The dragon god required you to break pillars forever and he hits way harder, killing you in one hit if you don't have the best equipment/overlevelled.

These are both examples of shitty "bosses" and are padding in the worst way. They've been doing this since DeS

Ok so I haven't been to many Bloodborne threads because I didn't want to deal with the shit flinging and dumbasses responding to it. I'm really curious as to why people think it's going to fail other than
>Ps4 exclusive
>15 FPS

I have high hopes for it considering it'll be published by a slightly less Jewish company and Miyazaki will have a direct hand in it.

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>>254842720
>tfw I was 23 five years ago

>>254842720
>People who were 13 when Demon's Souls came out can now post on /v/.

>>254829085
I also bought a PS3 to play this game. It was superior to Dark Souls in every way, and the bossfights were simply better. DaS did a good job adding onto the combat with lunge attacks and jumping, but for some reason decided to do away with a mechanic as simple as being able to climb chest high walls.

Try not having shit taste and then playing the game again.

>>254841848
are you 12 years old?

>>254842875
I'm cautiously optimistic. Dark Souls II was just such a burn though, there's no way I'm buying a PS4 just for Bloodborne, even if it does turn out good.

>>254842857
If you do it right, Dragon God should never hit you. Git gud nigga

>>254842942
>being a man child

>>254842875

It looks like a cross between Souls and Fable. Miyazaki says the combat is more "basic", and the focus is more on atmosphere.

It seems pretty unoriginal.

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>>254842720
Nice boxart. I wonder if the artbook and guide are the same as the Euro black phantom edition

>>254843153
I think it's extremely likely that the community will HATE Bloodborne because it's not DeS or DaS1. And that's the only reason. I'm looking forward to it.

>>254843252
>being a child

>>254843209
i never found a solid consistent way to do it without dying. Thinking of replaying the game again, so this would probably help.

>>254843252
You have to be over 18 to post here, kid.


>>254842278
The shitstorm surrounding Maneaters and Flamelurker were fucking incredible.

>>254843306
>basic
didn't he say more deep?

>>254842536
searching for cover is pretty obvious, and BoC doesn't hit nearly as hard as dragon god. The floor dropping was bullshit, even if it doesn't fall out from directly under you (at first).

They didn't communicate Dragon god has the memory of a goldfish and will forget you're there if he can't see you for 1 second. They were honestly both very poorly designed. Both bosses were padding because the games were rushed

>>254843306
Where did he say it was more basic?

>>254843431
Not sure about the artbook but I do know the Black Phantom edition had a different guide based on the DeS wiki.

>>254843485
Hide behind the pillars and run when he's looking away. If his eyes turn red you've been seen

>>254843431
>>254842720
Is there any special reason why the EU box has the blue aura and the US box has the red aura?

>>254842857
You're seriously retarded.
I can do Dragon God in 5 minutes flat. You can one shot the broken pillars easily, either by having pwwt and picking up the dragon bone crusher or whatever it's called, or simply 2handing a large weapon like a bastard sword, you don't even need the stats to wield it properly.

>>254843529
I'm 19

and I'm pretty sure that 18+ only applies to boards like /b/

>inb4 summer is here

>>254843597

He said it's more action focused, less tactical. That's why I mentioned Fable.

>>254842713
I'm just saying, you've got a boss that tries to punch your shit, and huge-ass columns that separate you. You can actually look at the area and figure out what you need to do. They're both very much puzzle fights with simple solutions, but the BoC is such a design clusterfuck everyone just bolts their way through because there's no way they could know how it was actually designed to be done.

>>254843676
well i did do that, and i even used one special ring of stealth, but the fucker sometimes just decides to punch at random

>>254842720
God! I want the Deluxe edition.
>tfw the cheapest item in Ebay was $200.00

>>254843209
you wouldn't know how or if you're doing it right because they don't communicate how he operates. his memory problems, his 1HKO firebreath. If people had no problems wit Dragon god then theres no way they have problems with BoC

both of these bosses were shitty padding

>>254843821
>and I'm pretty sure that 18+ only applies to boards like /b/

oh boy

DaS>DeS>DaS2
Overall, I'd say dark is the better game , demons has the better atmosphere are art though.
Dark Souls II is like they took the worst of both games and mashed it together. I was thinking. It'd be the exact opposite too. Such a disappointment. Its also sad to think that dark souls 2 is better than almost every other game out there too, despite being so inferior to its predessecors.

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>>254843684
Red is our special edition. It comes with an artbook, soundtrack, and 150 page guidebook

>>254843774
and you can do BoC in even less time. you're point?

>>254844001
>tfw I had one and sold it for £70 3 years ago because I needed cash

Fuck, I really want to rebuy it.

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>>254842021
Is this that SM faggot who got blown the fuck out yesterday? jesus dude you are pathetic

>>254843821
>only applies to boards like /b/
Nah nigga, rules are rules

>>254844058
just checked the rules.

18+ applies for everything. well shit.

>>254843821
>inb4 summer is here

>inafter summer is literally here

>>254844061
>Its also sad to think that dark souls 2 is better than almost every other game out there too, despite being so inferior to its predessecors.
This is very much true. Most modern games are shit compared to DaS2 even though it's shitty compared to DeS and DaS. Hilarious.

>>254844163
>you're point?
>you're

That you're retarded and wrong, thanks for helping me prove that.
And no, you cannot do BoC quicker than you can do Dragon God.

>>254844061
>dark souls 2 is better than almost every other game out there
Try telling that to the Community. Their favorite passtime is bitching about it. We've all heard the complaints, we all know that you hate it. Whether or not I agree doesn't even matter, I'm just tired of all the complaining.

>>254843821
>I'm 19
You sure are :^)

>>254843598
Well the thing about Bed of Chaos is that the cover makes no sense. You can stand right beside a tiny tree, and she'll swipe directly through you and the tree and not touch you. It's visual nonsense.

>>254844308
Yeah time to fuck off kid.

>>254840758
>actually well designed, finished areas
There were some well-designed corridors when they weren't completely black.
>NPCs which names you actually remember and cordially care about
Maiden in Black is the only memorable one if you're not pursuing magic.
>unforgettable bossfights with soulful music
Yeah, they sure were unforgettable for how disappointing every final area boss was. So were most of the bossfights, actually.

>>254844484
Bait.

>>254841665
>using giant-ass weapons when having no poise.

For what purpose.

>>254844402
>Their favorite passtime is bitching about it.

Yeah we should totally allow shitty level design, copypasta'd enemies/bosses, endless mobs that replace unique enemies, one hit kill bosses, and a shitty ending.

Fuck standards.

>>254844308
I remember when 18+ didn't apply to everything
I remember when moot was underage

>>254844402
As it's own game DaS2 would've been fine, but it committed a major sin by being an awful sequel to a good game. That's the reason so many people complain about it, because it wasn't just mediocre, it was also a massive disappointment to people who thought they'd enjoy it as much as they enjoy DeS and DaS.

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>>254844484
>Maiden in Black is the only memorable one if you're not pursuing magic.
...?

>>254844760

Not to mentioned the major bullshit with the graphical differences.

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>>254844678
flipping after the patch, obviously

>>254844359
>prove
how?
and yes you can. it takes way less time.
run to one side
run to the other side
less obstacles
run to the center
poke demon
win

how hard is that? they're both shitty as fuck "bosses" but one is over faster

>>254844760
Yeah, and I get all that. I've heard it a million fucking times, and I'm sure From has as well. It's just a neverending shitstorm pouring out of the mouths of every fan, and it's the same complaints every time. I've heard it all. It's getting really fucking old. From knows they fucked up, so just don't play the game anymore.

>>254844918
>muh graphics

oh, fuck off. Don't you have some early access wall textures to stare at?

>>254844832
This
DeS and DaS are flawed masterpieces. With more time for design, and a larger budget they would be games that would be remembered forever. As it stands know, many remember and know of them, but its more of a cult following and marketing ploy.
Dark souls 2 is just a flawed game. On its own its okay, but compared to its preqeuls and thus, what it should have been, its shit.
There's no reason for dark souls 2 to have the same faults as DeS/DaS.

>>254841980
It's a demon. The fact that miracles are also drawn from it is irrelevant. It feeds on souls = it's a demon, that's the logic we're presented in the game.

>It's actually to call for King Allant's attention.
No, it's so that the Old One tries to make you into its' officer. Killing true Allant is only the last step to that because he resides inside the old one. And you get his attention as soon you kill his doppleganger and the game goes on if you didn't kill all the other bosses.

>He was melancholic of the never ending suffering
That's pretty much what 'depression' means, anon.

The old Demons Souls threads were amazing, especially before guides were made and everyone was trying figure the game out. When people tried baiting out the community with "muh artifical diffucultly" or "Game is easy" they were either ignored or got told to fuck off.

After Dark Souls released, everyone stopped talking about Demons Soul's and talked about DaS. After the dust had settled, people tried to talk about DeS again, but due to the massive fanbase increase of Dark Souls, shit posting was inevitable and now we can't have a decent thread, this thread is proof enough.

I'm glad the souls games are popular, I just wish the community didn't go to shit.

>>254845119
>from knows they fucked up
Yeah, that's why that haven't fixed it, and the dlc continues to do the same things everyone is complaining about

>>254844432
through those little twigs yeah, but the BoC has a limited range and you can always see it coming, so you can get out of there in time. With magic shield he can't even touch you

>>254845198
not really, dark souls 2 is a game that stands out as leagues better than demons souls and superior to dark souls 1 in every way other than world connectivity and it not being the first game in the dark souls series.

Music: Dark souls 2
Game design: Dark souls 2
Combat: Dark souls 2
Weapon and armour variety: Dark souls 2
PvP: Dark souls 2
Enemy design and placement: Dark souls 2
Graphics: Dark souls 2
Optimisation: Dark souls 2
Magic system: Dark souls 2
NG+ mode: Dark souls 2
DLC: Dark souls 2
Area design: Dark souls 2
World design: Dark souls

Why do we hate dark souls 2 again?

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>>254827548

>>254842269
>So does DeS. Your eyes are seeing what your mind wants to see.

Where? Honestly, where? Even items made from boss souls have bland as shit descriptions most of the time. Boletaria has absolutely no history about it, neither does any of the sections aside from Latria and that can be summed up in one sentence.

>>254845305


Also the Soul games were never hard, after you master 1 souls games, the rest become easy. Even prepatch Dark Souls was easy when I first played it.

>>254845441
Fuck off kevin

>>254844760
the funny thing is that from only reading this post I couldn't out which souls game you were talking about. they're all heavily flawed in similar ways

>>254845000
>how?

Seriously? At this point if you're just pretending to be retarded, you're a natural.

>they're both shitty as fuck "bosses" but one is over faster

Yes, and that one is Dragon God. BoC takes much longer because of all the backtracking, not to mention the hoping and praying you have to do that one of the constant sweeping attacks doesn't knock you into a hole, or that your jump is timed and positioned so that you land dead center on the vine or that you're not knocked off mid jump.

There is no such element of luck in the Dragon God fight. You can get through the entire fight without the Dragon God attacking once.
At this point I'm beginning to think you've never played DeS and are just shitposting.

>>254844906
Yuria is the other one.

>>254845198
Maybe you guys were expecting too much, then. I'm happy they didn't release a carbon copy of DeS or DaS1, but with updated graphics like everyone wanted. I'm happy they tried new things. They're experimenting in trying to make the series better as a whole. Even if you didn't like DaS2, it's still one step closer to that Souls masterpiece that we're all waiting for, just give From more time to work out what makes the series good or bad, and pray that Kadokawa doesn't fuck it up.

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>>254845170
>oh fuck off false advertising is perfectly fine

I've been a fan of From Software inscr about 2005, and that made me lose all, and I mean all respect I had for them.

>>254845441
This is the weakest bait I've ever seen.
You didn't even cast a line, you just yelled at fish from the dock.

>>254826987
Playing through it now. Some of the bosses can be cheap at times, like the Maneaters, or that boss at the end of 2-2 who goes berserk at low health and doesn't give you a chance to get away.

The levels themselves are godlike, though. It oozes atmosphere. When a lot of enemies are after you, you truly feel set-upon, but no fight is ever hopeless.

i was wondering if its worth to buy a ps3 just to play demon souls since i enjoyed dark souls and wanted to try the first one in the franchise also is it availebel in ps store since my local game(stop) dont have it

get over it, this happens to all games that get popular

I think I need a little guidance
>beat 1-1
>got all the way to the boss in 1-2
>go up and kill all the archers first
>go down to the boss
>I only do 6 damage each hit
>eventually die
>try the mine area
>see that it takes me 15 hits to kill each regular enemy and assume I didnt go to the right place
>try the "blighttown" area
>actually get pretty far but die in that area where you have to either go down a letter or jump down through the roof, and there are like 5 enemies down there
>used all my poison curing items in the process so would never be able to get that far again

Are one of the 2 areas I haven't tried yet easier?

>>254845924
>can't even beat tower knight

>>254845523
I have to disagree, I played DeS before DaS and the latter ripped me a new asshole in a lot of areas, I hardly ever have been revived. DeS was a cakewalk on the other hand.

>>254845772
What do you get out of pretending to be retarded for reactions on 4chan?

>>254845924
Tower Knight is easy, though. Don't run away from his sheild bashing, run AT him and cut his legs until he falls down.

Or just cheese him with magic or something

World 3 is difficult if unprepared, have some ranged weapon
World 4 has ROLLING SKELLINGTONS, make of that what you will.

>>254846048
Well, I only tried once and I think I need a better weapon before I can fight him. I don't remember which weapon I'm using but it's a sword and I've been pumping points into strength and dex so I thought I'd be doing more damage

>>254846132
I get assholes like you to respond to me, apparently. Also,
>pretending to be retarded
Good argument, m8. Lots of supporting evidence. Not a fallacy at all.

>>254841425
underrated post

>>254845924

The 1-2 boss, after you kill the archers you attack his feat, eventually he falls over and you can hit the head for good damage.

In World 2 you have to use piecing weapons against the miners, slashing weapons have little effect.

World 5 is the last area you want to try, after you complete world 1-2, try world 2 when you get a piercing weapon.

World 3 and 4 are the next places to go.

>>254826987

I miss when you weren't alive.

>>254846331
You have to hit both feet until he falls down. The visual effects and sounds make it quite obvious

>>254845924
What weapon are you using?

>>254846359
Hey, I was assuming that you were pretending for your benefit. I shudder at the thought of someone being genuinely as retarded as you are.

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>>254845705
>BoC takes much longer

>>254846374
>World 5 is the last area you want to try, after you complete world 1-2, try world 2 when you get a piercing weapon.

Shit advice, enjoy being overlevelled and killing everything in 1 hit

>>254845705
that's bullshit, your argument is flawed as fuck. The only way you can get DG to not attack at ALL is knowing exactly how to do the fight. If you go into the fight with the same amount of experience you can do BoC way faster, especially if you have magic shield, which renders all of his attacks useless. and you don't even have to jump onto the tree you can just walk up to it and fall onto it. It's way faster.

Granted the bonfire is way too far away, but if you know what youre doing it's not a problem, just like if you know what youre doing the DG isn't a problem.

the main point is that both of these bosses ARE shitty (im not defending BoC and certainly not DG) and that From can't finish a game to save their lives

>>254845248
>And you get his attention as soon you kill his doppleganger and the game goes on if you didn't kill all the other bosses.
What? I'm sure you have to kill the rest of the archdemons (The last boss of each level) to meet the real Allant.

>>254846536
Maybe your fedora is too tight?

>>254846430
>>254846295
OK, thanks you guys. I won't stay in the thread any longer because I don't want to get too much help. I've beaten DaS and DaS2 and am really enjoying DeS so far from what I've played. I was playing 1-2 during the middle of the knight, and hiding from a dragon shooting flames everywhere had me really immersed in the game.

>>254846547
It does you fucking idiot.

>>254845441
I don't really see how game design can be better, when mechanics is the games are always at odds with one another. PvP isn't better because from killed it to prevent thinking. The areas are more straight forward, more bonfires are available, and some decisions are just stupid (a wall seperating the player in iron keep to belfry).
Dark souls 2 was a huge step down. Only things it does better are the vast selection of weapons and armor, but because magic is essentially required for PvP and their is always a "best" weapon, its only better from a fashion standpoint.

>>254846619
But the real Allant talks to you the second you kill his clone. So you do get his attention early.

You meet real Allant inside the Old One

>>254846649
>f-fedora!

Nice damage control kid, you learn that one from tumblr?

>mfw some anon claiming they fixed poise
>get excited and go on with my 100+ poise char
>get stunlocked to death by katanafag

Welp looks like poise and STR is still shit for PvP.

>>254846676
night* fuck, I also said "letter" instead of ladder in my first post

>>254846069

I don't know then, Darks Souls wasn't hard, the only hard boss fight was O&S, the rest were piss easy and you had many Vanguard clones you had to fight.

Also the bonfire system made the game way less frustrating, you always got healing items when you died, you never needed more then 5 flasks before you ran into another bonfire and never needed more then 10 to complete an entire area and defeat the boss.

Not counting Poise made defense sets viable, the only defensive set in Demons Souls was the blessed sets, and they were more recover hp oriented then actually blocking hits oriented.

>>254846709
There were also way more options for magic, pyromancy etc. THAT in my opinion is what they did right

>>254845772
>expecting too much
I expected the absolute best aspect of the previous games melded into one. I expected the best souls game, and possibly best game, ever
I didn't expect from to kill PvP, focus even more on YOU DIED LOL, completely destroying how the world was built and connected, and I didn't expect from to not fix any issues.

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>>254841425
Yeah, it was a real good dungeon crawl, I got lost often for retarded reasons in the corridors since I was playing with brightness 0 for extra sketch factor. I remember the frist time I heard the singing merchant I shit my pants and quit for the day. Good times

>>254846564

Its just some advice, the swamp area of World 5 is much more difficult then any other part of the game.

>>254847086
The swamp area is the second part.

It's a good idea to clear the first level of each world before starting the second tier, except 1-2 since it's piss easy. Helps keep the difficulty curve interesting.

I'd like to play Demon's Souls, but it's a PS3 exclusive. I guess I'll never get to play it until PS3 emus are a thing.

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>mfw dark souls 2 is by far the best game in the series
>mfw the music is by FAR the most thematically fitting of the series and actually represents boss movements and tactics incredibly well
>mfw the level design is condensed with fun and consistent enemy placement
>mfw the pvp isn't barren and desolate because soul memory removes wooden level restrictions and you can invade hollows now
>mfw the weapon design, armour design and relative abundance of said things is the most consistent of the series in quality throughout the game
>mfw the atmospheric value of areas such as drangleic castle, shrine of amana and undead crypt including the other varieties of areas we were given, were simply outstanding for the relative problem from software have of succesfully putting atmospheric experience in their game design.
>mfw the bosses are the fairest and least mechanically bugged in the series as of yet.
>mfw the game offers the biggest quality of any vanilla souls title so far
>mfw the dlc for this game is coming out as post game completion created content, unlike artorias of the abyss which was ripped from pre-development
>mfw the only reason there is a massive wankforce is because people are having the same transition from demons souls whereby they realise just how uncreative from software are with their sequels and extended series
>mfw people might ACTUALLY think that demons souls is an original game
>mfw people are actually delusional enough to claim dark souls 1 is a better game than dark souls 2.
>mfw people actually claim that demons souls is anything other than the less realised bland skeleton the future souls games massively improved upon thematically.

>>254847267

I can see the logic in that, but that wasn't how I played it.

>>254846875
I never ever had to worry about healing in DeS because I died in 1-4 a bunch of times and collected a metric fuckton of best grass in the process. So I was always at full HP and healing in DeS takes miliseconds compared to chugging Estus.

The only problem I ever had in DeS after figuring out that my armor is bloody useless was False King Allant, it was the only boss that made me lose Stones of E. Eyes and I had to fight him in soul form.

Bonfire system I can't argue against, but if you don't count shortcuts I am pretty positive that any bonfire<->bonfire path is longer than most DeS stages.

Unrelated, but, is it the right thing to do to kill Gwendolyn?
I don't want to light the bonfire, but I don't want to be a dick and just kill the Gods if they're not hollow.

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>>254845382
I'm actually talking about this. A lot of people don't realize that if you stand by these trees along the route, you will not take damage. That's why the ground never breaks out around them, they were meant to be a safe spot just like the Dragon God. Her swipes will literally go through your body and the tree, completely missing you, even if you're standing on the wrong side. The whole fight was designed to be just like the Dragon God. Run to a column, hide, watch where the ground falls out, run to the next between her attacks. Her design has no way to illustrate that to the player though. The room's safe spots make no sense visually, and it was probably unfixable without redesigning the boss completely, so we ended up with the compromise we have now.

I'm not saying the boss is hard, I'm just saying it was originally a puzzle fight like the Dragon God but they could never figure out a way to convey it to the player.

>>254847046
>we will never get a 6th archstone DLC

;_;

Did they ever even mention in-game why the archstone was destroyed? Or is it just ignored?

>>254847086
>much more difficult

Not if you can into bows, faggots fall to their deaths with little provocation.

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tfw never knew about the tower knight cheese until a month ago

>>254845520
Every place aside from Stonefang Mine every place have a detailed lore behind it.

Boletaria is a the main city and castle of the kingdom. The Kingdom was once privileged to house it's finest heroes: Alfred, the Knight of the Tower; Metas, the Knight of the Lance, and Long Bow Oolan, who commanded a legion of archers. Their physical bodies were twisted and distorted into demonic entities while their souls remained to guard the pathway leading to the False King.

Stonefang Tunnel was an excavation site under the control of King Allant. The miners who devoted their lives to the soldiers of Boletaria remained stubborn in their fruitless efforts to support the king, and rather than attempt to flee when the fog approached, they remained behind. Now devoid of sentience and soul, they mindlessly continue to chisel away at the tunnels. The caves create a maze-like system beneath the excavation ground worthy of its name “The Tunnel City.” Rumors of the tunnels sitting on the shrine of an ancient dragon are abound; the ancestors of the excavators were said to have worshipped and revered the dragon as a god. At its core sits a temple devoted to a fire demon whose flames are said to be the very essence from which blacksmithing was begun.

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>>254846678
Nah, it really doesn't

It still baffles me that people honestly, truly believe that DAS2 is the worst game ever. It certainly isn't the worst game From has put out. People treat them as messiah's but they've put out more stinkers than they have gems. Dark Souls 2 had better online, a better engine, better gameplay, and better menus and general quality-of-life and replayability. The ONLY issue it has is that its lore is kind of shit.

>>254847332
>not just getting a cheap PS3 now that PS4's out

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>>254847828
>Her swipes will literally go through your body and the tree, completely missing you, even if you're standing on the wrong side.

That's utterly retarded if true. I have to test this.

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>>254848015
Actually, it does.
The only reason I can imagine you'd think otherwise is if you'd never played DeS.

>>254848046
>implying I'm going to waste at least $140 just to play a Souls game

>>254831054

Xbots play mediocre FPS

Sonyggers play movie games and jrpgs

It's pretty obvious who's actually more casual

>>254848280
>implying PS3 still has no games

>>254831675
Just got Demon's Souls, how come he can roll easily, is it because he pumped endurance only and now he has a lot of equip weight or what