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Hell I miss the old threads when the only game released in the soul series was Demons Souls, the community became shit after that

Demons Souls thread
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I miss my lady :(
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by far the worst souls game.
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Agree completely OP. It's been very disappointing to see what happened to the fanbase and I doubt Bloodborne is going to be able to fix it since everyone who can't have it wants to shitpost about it now.

Anyway if you want to start a good thread you should have a topic. Favourite area?

I think Shrine of Storms has the best aesthetics of the whole series so far. Gotta respect people when they say Latria or the swamp but the shrine strikes a nice balance between comfy and intimidating.
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>>254827548
By far the worst tripfag
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>>254826987

If anbything,DeSfags are the worst part of the fanbase.
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pcfags and xkids will never have this
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>>254826987
I miss the old threads too
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>>254826987
I'm working my way through DaS. I intend on playing this next (if I can find it anywhere). What are the differences in gameplay so I know what to look forward to?
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>>254828637
Honestly, the combat just isn't as good, it's much floatier. However, there's not as much focus on enemy interaction as there is in DaS, it's more about environment interaction. DeS also has some great boss fights compared to DaS.
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i have a question: how hard is it to plat demon's souls? got the plat in DaS I/II and would like to play this game too, but i'm a huge fag and want the plat if i play it. any opinions on difficulty with and without self duping
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>>254828892
>DeS
>Good bosses

lel
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>>254828330

Confirmed for not being around when we had DeS threads. It was actually great.
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Bought a ps3 to play by this game. Dark Souls was superior in every day, and even though Demon's was a lot more punishing, the bossfights and gameplay was simply worse.
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Demons souls plebs ruined the fanbase.
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>>254828946
A Platinum trophy will require quite a bit of grinding.
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>>254829149
This. Souls became shit because of the Sony fanbase.
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>>254828946
you can handle it anon
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Went from DaS to DaS2 and then to DeS
DeS was too short and easy.
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>>254829149
Yeah, we used to have great King's Field threads before DeSfags came with their pleb cancer.
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>>254828946
Hardest of the 3. World Tendency weapons and PURE FUCKING BLADESTONE are a pain. I still did it and it was fun. Pure Bladestone took me 11 fucking hours of grinding to find though.
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>>254829340
And that is why the fanbase sucks
they are all too easy if you played your entire life playing video games.
Difficulty wasn't the point untile DaS2.
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DeS artwork and level design is unmatched
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>>254826987
>the community became shit after that

Yeah, who knew Sony fans would take it so badly, having the series expand onto other systems.
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>>254829340
DeS fanbase became insecure because Sony fucked up and From Software made Dark Souls Multiplat. Since DeS was the only good reason to own a PS3 a lot of you felt insecure and had the need to shitpost all souls games going forward.
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I never played Demon's Souls because I'm dumb. I wish I still had my PS3.
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>>254829186
>>254829361
i've heared about the bladestone thing. i normally like farming. isn't world tendency just always going hollow into the chapters and killing all bosses to get pure white and then dying like 7 times or so to get pure black?
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>>254829667
buyer's remorse is a terrible thing to get over
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>>254829046
The whole was mentality is what I think he is referring to.
You guys never actually talk about demon's souls, you only take about how great it was when you did talk about it and how dark souls ruined it.
I like DeS a lot, but come on now. You have to notice DeS threads are usually just people saying xbots and pcfags won't get to play it and they only get to play Dark Souls.
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>>254829814
Pretty much. Always suicide in the nexus and keep track of all tendency related events so you dont miss anything. Also make sure to get the correct ending because 1 of the endings gives the soul required for the final spell.
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>>254830207
see
>>254828441
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Does anyone know of a let's play where the player is using fluted armour, a long sword and a shield?
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>>254830525
Yeah thats what I mean. Why are you quoting me to it?
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Demon had best NPC. Sure, Dark had Solaire and Onion and Dark 2 had Gavlan Wheel Gavlan Deal, but Stockpile Thomas is the best.
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>>254830207
I'm not the guy you were talking to but you can definitely tell you weren't here for the early threads. I'm not justifying the behaviour of DeS fans now as I think you're right that it all too often turns into petty arguments but the problem definitely happened when the series expanded to casual xbots and only got worse with the PC release.

The people who played and talked about Demon's Souls back then did it because they loved it not because they were bandwagoning on a social phenomenon. The conversation was much more friendly/intelligent and the OC was amazing.
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>>254829416
>prepar to diexD
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omg pc gaymers ruen mi comunitie :(
sonyponies are the literal worst
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Demons is one of the most boring games I've ever played to be honest.

This is coming from someone who heavily enjoyed dark souls and dark souls 2.
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>>254831054
I know, I was in those.
I am not talking about those. I am talking about how they are long over and how people repeatedly make threads to blame dark souls for it and not actually talk about the game.
The threads were real fucking nice before, yeah. But now they are no better than all the dark souls threads people blame for it. People sit around and just complain about others.
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>>254830568
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLItPEpkK7A&list=PLdg60-UktzB6r3dq3aqPxmhIBwM2HgV2O
I guess this sort of counts
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>>254831486
Well that sentiment I can get behind. I was actually this >>254827551 guy telling OP he should have started with a topic instead.
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>>254826987
Hell I miss times when nobody said this game is shit(and so are all souls games) I want to get back to my hugbox.

Go to neogaf they like guys like you
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Shame that I never got around to the series before the community and games went to shit.
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>>254831346
>heavily enjoyed Dark Souls 2

Well it's good to know that I can just disregard your opinion then, thanks.
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>>254831789
What's your favorite game faggot?
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>>254830885
You have a heart of gold op,
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DaS>DeS

I have yet to play DaS2 but I don't expect too much.
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>>254826987

DaS threads were civil too. Things went to shit when people began arguing about which games were best and when people began calling both or one of the games shit. Don't fucking dare try to blame of the games for this.
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>>254832608
As if he's gonna answer that and get destroyed for his pleb taste.
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>>254833254
I knew it.
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>>254832985

DaS threads were good in the beginning when everybody was still trying to figure out what to do where. Questions from new players were answered nicely and calmly.
But the game got more popular, the community bigger which meant more idiots joined in. Now the Wikis were full with tips and strategies how to beat bosses/areas so that fucking "get good" meme came to life and you could just forget any discussion about the game. I hate those people.
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>>254831486
The Souls series just got too popular, and has long since attracted the people on /v/ who only come here to shitpost at everything, and the people who parrot everything they do.

See
>>254827548
>>254828441
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>best greentext stories
>best comics
>best laughs
>best discovery
>no stupid meme shit
>best random friend requests

I miss it too. Dark Souls was alright for about 3-4 months, until the fanbase turned into Facebook/Reddit users. There is no hope for the community now. See below..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N7J802QzP4&list=UUe0DNp0mKMqrYVaTundyr9w

http://www.patreon.com/vaatividya
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>>254835186

>LPDarkSoulsHD
>7 months ago

>There's something truly magical about this community. Call me crazy, call me naive. But I feel like a very select breed of people are drawn to the Souls series. Almost every person I ask about this series has either no idea what it is or they DO know what it is and can't stand it. When Dark Souls launched in my state there were 3 people there.... And even those 3 people didn't seem nearly as "into it" as I was. I was beyond disappointed. I have high hopes for Dark Souls 2 since the growth of this franchise has amounted to something impressive over the past 2 years. But I think this song is nothing short of brilliant. It really cups a hold of your enthusiasm for this game and creates a sensation that not everyone is going to feel and I'm proud of that. These games are scary and that's the ultimate truth. It takes the will of a knight and the heart of an adventurer to stand up to this series, arms in hand. Well I appreciate this series with all of my heart and soul. When Dark Souls 2 arrives I'll be ready to tread the unknown once again with my sword gripped tight shield held high. Remember this: Whatever awaits in this series, new or old, you will always have an amazing community to turn to. Never forget that.
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>>254835186
You can always tell the winners at the starting gate m8. You can always tell the winners, and you can tell the losers. And sadly for you Demons was the winner
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>>254826987
>tfw you've never played Demon's Souls because of its exclusivity
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>>254835613

Fuck off Vaati.
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>>254835763
The fuck? PS3's are cheap as shit right now.
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>>254835186

Has that faggot even made OC? Everything I've seen of his was just copypasta shit from /v/ or /dsg/.
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>>254835914
As a full-time college student they aren't.
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DeS would've been so much better without a couple of the stages.

>path leading to Allant
>5-2
>last part of Boletaria

Game was hard enough depending on what limits you put upon yourself. Some of the shit I greentexted was just artificial though.
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>>254836061

Pretty much. He got called out on it, then when he started shilling all hell broke loose, he had a cry and ran to reddit for a hugbox.
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I'm borrowing a friends ps3 to play mgs4, is this worth picking up if I liked dark souls?
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>>254836462
Of course.
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>>254828946
Nice try with the Bladestone.
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>>254836462

Why don't you find out on your own you dumbfuck?
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>>254836194
>DeS
>hard

The only hard part was first fight with Allant and trying not to fall at the 4-2 bosses. DeS was easy as fuck, I had a shitton of spare bodies by the time I finieshed it.
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>>254827421
SO THE SOUL MIGHT BE MENDED
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>>254826987
Prince of Boletaria > Chosen Undead > that new guy
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>>254836594
Allant is EZ too though.
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>>254835186
Fuck yes des comics were the shit.

>>254835521
I literally cringed.

The reason Vaati is so popular is because he's a normalfag ENB wannabe, so he relates to what the community is now. A bunch of meme spewing normalfags. He has zero dignity and is basically pewdiepie level jew.
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>>254835521
This is why I drink.
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>>254829340
I played them in the order they came out and I thought that each installment was easier than the one before it
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>>254836772
As I said, the first fight with him is hard. The one where you don't know what to expect.
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>>254836194
>5-2
>bad

Ultimate pleb detected.
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>>254836594
eh, i didnt say it was hard. More it was just tedious in parts. beat darksouls 2 ng++ at sl1 so im no slouch
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Things DeS did better than DaS:
>Maiden in Black
>Nexus was bitchin'

Things DaS did better than DeS:
>everything else
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>>254837052
im drunk i mean dark souls 1 ng+ sl1

still, no slouch obviously
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>>254835521
>But I think this song is nothing short of brilliant.

Literally 15 years old.
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>>254836785
How is he a memespouter aside from maybe one or two short joke videos adapting the comics into film?

Ya faggots will hate on anything popular.
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>>254837114
DaS is literally an unfinished game, Lost Izalith, Demon Ruins, the beach with the dragon, all feel like demo areas. And its atmosphere is nowhere near as good as DeS'
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>There's people in this thread who question the purity and good deeds of Astraea.

Explain yourself.
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People always complain about bladestone but fucking pure DM stone is the real fucking bitch to get because at least the red eye skeletons resawn
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>>254837275

Fuck off Vaati.
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>>254836462
definitely, but don't expect it to be as alive as it was back when it first came out. I doubt you'll come across any phantoms too (both blue and red)
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>>254837275
>How is he a memespouter aside from those times he spouted memes and used /v/ comics to make shitty videos with

You are literally retarded Vaati. Go suck afro or ippiki's dicks again you desperate faggot.
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>>254837390
And even as an unfinished game it's much longer and has better areas than DeS.

>And its atmosphere is nowhere near as good as DeS'
>item descriptions bland as hell
>absolutely no background on anything aside from the bare bones of how Boletaria was functioning
>The whole structure is bland as hell too
>Every level is a corridor with an occasional shortcut if it was a bit longer than usual, most of the time not
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The community is beyond shit now. Everyone gets so violently angry about every goddamn aspect of Dks2. It's embarrassing. Every LP I've even watched of the game contains at least a 10 minute section of the LPer bitching about how much better they thought Dks1 was. I just enjoy the game, man. Apparently that makes me "wrong" and "stupid" because I don't blame my deaths on the game. I wanted to be a part of the community, but there's no room in such a violent community for someone who enjoys 2.
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is vaati the new epic name bro?
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>>254837501
>>254837772
>hurfdurf

It's an honest question. I watched everything DaS and DeS related from him aside from any fan-made songs because fuck that noise, it's never good.
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>>254837818
>pfffffft standards
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>>254837946

fuck
off
vaati
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>>254837818
Don't blame the community for reacting negatively to a shit sequel. Good for you if you can just enjoy it, but it's not the community's fault for expecting a decent game.
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>>254837390
> tfw all Souls games are unfinished
> That broken archstone and info in games resources in DeS
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>>254838094
>/v/ in charge of rationalising hate
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>>254837818
DaS II was good. Yeah it has some bland, and non-memorable characters and bosses, but it's not that bad.
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>>254838104
Don't listen to him. He doesn't know fuck all about the community. He sounds exactly like a late-comer to DaS.
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Fuck I want a new King's Field
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Why are Soulsfags always so buttblasted about DA COMMUNITY if the games are basicly singleplayer with some occasional PvP?
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>>254837946
are there actually any good DaS/DeS youtubers?
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>>254838172
>vaati in charge of fucking off
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>>254838104
That's fine. It's their opinion, but they just get so fucking angry about it. It's just a video game. I get so many angry replies on any given forum for even admitting that I like the second game. It's crazy. There's a definite lack of maturity in the Souls community now.
Also, side question, why doesn't anyone just use a shield?? I only roll as a last resort, and I've never experienced "bullshit hitboxes" in 2.
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>>254837954
Not even him but oh, fuck off, you niggers always put DaS1 in a pedestal like it's a perfect game while ignoring all of it's flaws and it's annoying as fuck.
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>>254838334
Because all of the discussion about it are casuals calling it too hard and saying how funny pewds was playing it.
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>>254838334

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't ask stupid questions.

>>254837275
This damage control..

>>254837946
So you watched all the regurgitated lore shit a spewed?

Good for you I guess.
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>>254838425
>I only roll as a last resort
That's you. Not everybody plays like that.

>I've never experienced "bullshit hitboxes" in 2.
You're unobservant.
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>>254838537
>discussing a singleplayer game

What for?
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>>254838331

Heh, wondering about that too. It seems entertaining youtubers are always devoid of skills...
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>>254838331
The closest you can get is Shadow Tower: Abyss for the PS2. It was never sold outside of Japan so just download a translated .iso from somewhere.
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Is Demon's Souls extremely easy or does it just seem like that to me because I played hundreds of hours of DaS first? The only boss I took more than two tries on was Flamelurker, I was getting destroyed but I came back later and beat him with the crescent falchion straight away. I died once to Allant because he was the seventh boss I fought and I was too low vit to take a soulsucking, and I died once against Garl because he was hiding in the swamp where you can't move and instantly get the plague. Everything else was done first time. I used fluted armor and a knight sword which was at +7 when I finished, took 14.5 hours. I just felt disappointed that I got through it so easily, considering so many people claim that Dark Souls is a casualised version of its gameplay.
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>>254838645
It's a game full of secrets and interpretive lore which is fun discussing. That and every player has fun moments to share.
It's also fun to discuss opinions with people like you would with any film/video game/music ya dingus
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>>254838519
>/v/ is one person

Sure Dark Souls is flawed, but it was fun. Maybe I was expecting more, or maybe I'm burnt out since 2009, but Dark Souls 2 was pure boredom. It's the first time during a first playthrough I've put down the controller out of boredom.

For the experienced player, Dark Souls 2 is literally quantity > quality.
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Why did FromSoftware nerfed some things in DSII? I mean, the very first patches which nerfed the Last Giant and Lost Sinner?
The were not hard and Last Giant was a nice starting challenge.
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>>254838747
yes, it's an incredibly easy game
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>>254838747
Demon's Souls is definitely easier, though it's obviously even easier for you since you played DaS first.
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>>254838747
It is. It's easier than DaS2.
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>>254838747
>I died once to Allant because he was the seventh boss I fought

Not possible.
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>>254838747
It's because you played DaS first.
The only challenge from DaS is un-casualising yourself from most of the AA handholding you've gotten used to, and while it's never hard it's just not baby-tier forgiving like most games. All the Souls games play very similar, so being good at one means you're good at all of them.
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>>254838519
Agreed. There is no "perfect game". Especially towards the end of DaS1 with the copypasta'd capra and taurus demons. It's shit design, but nobody ever admits that.
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>>254838645
>discussing any vidya

WHY
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>>254838747
It's because you've played hundreds of hours of DaS.
It was hard as balls the first time I played it(no fucking guide or looking up FAQs.)
I plowed through it earlier this year after finishing DaS2.
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>>254838984
Absolutely nobody denies that Demon's Ruins and Lost Izalith are clearly rushed.
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>>254838519
Nobody said it was ever perfect, and whoever did is retarded. It's just a million times for fun than Dark Souls 2.
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>>254838984
Most people forget about the biggest flaws as the game lets you skip them.
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>>254838598
>if you don't know something, don't ask about it
Soulsfags logic.

>>254838857
Then why are you getting mad at the community? Discuss that shit, every thread is seventy diffrent dialogues going on at the same time anyway. How shitty people they are has absolutely no impact on the gameplay or lore you discuss with them.
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>>254838984
>DaS2 had no copypasta enemies or bosses

top kek
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>>254827421
I want to protect her demon
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>>254839136
Bed of Chaos is still there.
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>>254839160

A lot of people play just for the PVP. Go be a clueless retard somewhere else.
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>>254839160
>How shitty people they are has absolutely no impact on the gameplay or lore you discuss with them.
Actually it does as usually their contributions are shit, wrong, or plain painful to see. That and their idea of "discussion" isn't actually discussion.

it's honestly like you interact with no human beings at all other than yourself or something for you to not grasp the basics as to how overexposure can saturate a community's discussion and adoration for a vidya game, even SP.
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>>254838960
Phalanx > Tower Knight > Armor Spider > Flamelurker > Dragon God > Pursuer > Allant
Am I missing something?
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>>254839227

Man that new DLC is nothing but copypasta.
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>>254839281
I was meant to say "most of them", admittedly.
You can still kinda skip it by cheesing the shit out of it.
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>ITT: Hipsters and fanboys
Goes for both the DeS fans and anti-fans.
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>>254839405
Vanguard
I know I'm being pedantic as fuck
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>>254839136
Ok fair enough. To think 4chan is the only place I've been able to discuss this without people screaming at me in all caps. To me, personally, and I only speak for myself when I say this, the whole boredom thing was the other way around. I found DaS1 boring about 3/4 through the game and put down the controller on my first playthrough, but in DaS2 I didn't get bored once. I guess it really is just a taste thing. Just confirming to you guys that there ARE people who think DaS1 is the boring one.
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>>254839405
By Pursuer I mean Penetrator of course, sorry. Blame DaS2 for copypasting it.
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>>254837390
>And its atmosphere is nowhere near as good as DeS'

I swear people are just praising DeS' "atmosphere" simply because they're supposed to.
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>>254839482

Okay, special little snowflake.
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>>254839357
>it's honestly like you interact with no human beings at all other than yourself or something for you to not grasp the basics as to how overexposure can saturate a community's discussion and adoration for a vidya game, even SP.

If that happens, you walk away from the threads for some time because you clearly got tired with them and do something else. There's always gonna be new people and they're always gonna ask dumb shit like myself.

Don't beat a dead horse, anon, go play and discuss something else, then come back.
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>>254839526
>Blame DaS2 for copypasting it.

Are you talking about the design?
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>>254839503
>Just confirming to you guys that there ARE people who think DaS1 is the boring one.
While that does rustle me slightly, it's actually pretty understandable. A lot of people seem to acknowledge that after Anor Londo DaS' quality takes quite a dice. O+S is basically the peak and the rest is just a lot more tedious.
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>>254839572
I thought the story in DeS was stupid
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>>254835521

>It takes the will of a knight and the heart of an adventurer to stand up to this series, arms in hand

holy fucking shit this is the cringiest shit I've ever dead he must be from plebbit
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>Shrine of Storms & Sen's Fortress > any location in Dark Souls 2

Seriously I have been invading since day on in Dark Souls 2, and have yet to find a fun as fuck place to invade.
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>>254839778
>DeS
>Story

There's a big bad demon
Go kill all of its' lesser demons to lull it back to sleep
He got summoned by a king who fell into depression
THE END
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>>254839838
>ever dead

READ
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>>254839684
I agree. Which is why I personally got bored with the game. For the beginning of the game, I prefer DaS1, for the middle parts of the game, I prefer DaS2, and they all have kind of shitty endings, imo.
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>>254839993
>invading with Storm ruler in 4-2
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>>254834569

This.

Anything popular on /v/, regardless of quality, will be subject to immense amounts of shitposting.

This has happened with most games and series I enjoy, the more popular they get the more people shitpost.
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>>254840054
At least it had a definitive ending and not some up-it's-own-ass story "climax" like in Dark Souls 1/2

I still prefer Dark Souls over DeS but just saying.
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>>254840054
>He got summoned by a king who fell into depression

Nope, not what happened.
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>>254840163
Every game was rushed to an extent, which is stupid because they should have been allowed more time to finalize their shit.
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>>254840054
The story of the Souls series has always been simplistic

>DaS: You're the chosen one
>DaS II: You're the chosen monarch
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>>254840163
that was supposed to be DLC that got canned

it's not the same
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>>254840163
Now imagine if they left the half-finished scraps of archstone #6 in the game. Maybe give them a weekend to copy and paste enemies everywhere as filler.
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>>254840163

There's a difference to unfinished and completely scrapped, idiot.
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MUH SECRET CLUB

fuck off. I played Demon's and it's shit compared to the sequels

>under 10 hours
>infinite healing items
>easy as piss bosses
>2sad4u bosses instead of actual bosses
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>>254840378

I always get the impression everybody was told they're the chosen one and your guy was just the one that actually pulled it off, no actual fate bullshit involved.
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>>254838747
>does it just seem like that to me because I played hundreds of hours of DaS first
Yeah, that's really just it.

Dark Souls is really a carbon copy of Demon's Souls in a lot of regards, but they throw in a whole bunch more cheap stuff and padded out the length more. I love both games equally, but if you made it through Dark Souls a bunch it should be no problem for anyone.

Hell, most of the shit from DeS that got people, like the dragon on the bridge, the Maneaters, Flamelurker, etc. was reused in DaS, so if you're going back to it it wouldn't be a surprise to you.
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>>254840476
I refuse to believe you are being serious.
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>>254840418
>There's a difference to

Meant to say difference between.. Don't know where "to" came from..
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>>254840054
the king is your father

you play as the prince of boletaria who either abandoned his home when everything went to shit, or left before that and his/her father went mad because of it
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>>254840476
Bait.
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>>254840262
Right, he was awakaned, my bad. He was under the Nexus since forever.
>>254840248
>you turn into a Monumental or allow The Old One to finish what it started
vs
>You burn like a cinderblock or put out the flames forever

I dunno, anon, I still like DaS more in this aspect.

>>254840378
DaS has a shitload of background on this, however. DeS does not.
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>>254840382
>>254840418

Whatever you say, friends.
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>>254840476

Trolls don't even try anymore..
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Demon's Souls has:

- actually well designed, finished areas
- weapon paths which aren't utterly useless
- NPCs which names you actually remember and cordially care about
- unforgettable bossfights with soulful music
- endings which wrap up the experience satisfyingly

Dark Souls has:
- Covenants
- Uh, poise?
- Praise the sun guy

Dark Souls 2 has:
- Gender change coffin
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>>254840401
copy pasted enemies are in the early levels in DaS and all throughout DeS.
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>>254840609
>>254840586
But all he greentexted was true.
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>>254840803
Bait harder.
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>>254840717

That's nice retard. Maybe learn to read next time.
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>>254840674
About the endings, it would make sense if it ended like that but then Dark Souls 2 happened and they were like "Oh the ending doesn't matter! MUH CYCLES!
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>>254840590
Ostrava, please, fighting your black phantom was sad enough, don't tell me we're brothers now.
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>>254840248
did DaS even have an ending?

all I remember is beating the king, my character going all"warggh!" and shit and then the screen fading to black and NG+
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>>254840476
as much as this is bait I do agree that Garl/Maiden was the shittiest boss ever, with Dragon God coming in close second. Storm king was also shitty and lame.

It's almost like they just half-assed bosses for all world 3's because they ran out of ideas
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>>254840872
>I CAN'T HEAR YOU, MY EXCLUSIVE GAME IS WITH NO FAULT, LADIDADIDA, BAITBAITBAIT

How desperate are you.
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>>254840872
>2014
>wearing nostalgia goggles

dont tell me you liked the healing system in demons
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>>254840758
I really like the areas in DeS. How each world feels like you're exploring deeper into the same place. I also really like the unified world of Dark Souls, where everything fits together and you're pleasantly surprised to see you're not so far from where you began.

It's kind of baffling that Dark Souls 2 combined the two styles in all the wrong ways.
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>>254840758

Don't knock poise. Best addition to the series in my opinion.
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>>254840932

>learn to read

Read fucking what? What did my post suggest I misread?
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>>254841019
Um yeah after you kill the joke final boss you get to choose whether to become a demon or lull the old one back to slumber.
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>>254841105
>>254841117
Bait.
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>>254841117

It was fun watching people you invaded munch out of desperation, and still killing them.
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>>254841239
literally autistic
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Is there anyone on /v/ that isn't a tryhard that calls everything they play 'omg so ez!'?

Demon's Souls wasn't 'hard' (an example of hard, imo, is the Mega Man games, but that's because I'm not too great at them). It was however challenging.

Flamelurker and Allant had me on my toes the whole time, it was one of those fights where one fuck up on your timing and reactions could kill you.

Honestly the portion of the fanbase and screams that the game is easy as piss and everyone who found any aspect whatsoever of it is pure dogshit is probably the worst part. And hilariously they're also the people who scream 'artificial difficulty' when they die or genuinely do find something difficult.

Just sayin.
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Tower of Latria is the best level out of any souls game
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>>254841058
Holy shit this is the biggest bait of all time
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>>254840758
>weapon paths which aren't utterly useless
you've got to be kidding me. they were completely useless. DaS fixed that completely and you'd be deluding yourself to thinking otherwise

>unforgettable bossfights
I truly couldn't forget how stupid most of them were (2-3, 4-3, all of VoD bosses) or just lame and easy (aside from 3 or 4 good ones)
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>>254841175
>What did my post suggest I misread?

The difference between unfinished content, and scrapped content.
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>>254840758
Dark Souls also has a brilliantly connected world and the best gameplay of the series.
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>>254841380
>literally autistic

>Demon's Souls
>Challenging

Nice one.
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>>254840803
Yeah but what he said also is viable to Dark Souls 2

>Under 10 hours
I beat all of the bosses in less than 7 or so
>Infinite healing items
Dks2 Had plenty of those, as well as plenty of checkpoints to refill your healing item/spells
>Easy bosses
Aside from a few yeah they are all simple
>2sad4u
Depth=/=Pretentiousness
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There is one change I really didn't like between DeS and DaS and that was the shitty loading screens.

Each time you loaded in DeS you had these intro cards to the characters you would meet, regardless of when it was. Made it feel like they all had some real weight and merit to them.
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>>254841149
I love poise, but I hate how they took out the momentum for big weapons also.

Like, if you're using any weapon that weighs more than ten pounds, once you start your swing it should keep going. But after they introduced poise it turned to "I'm swinging my giant weapon! Oh no, I've been nicked in the elbow. Better recoil in pain! Stop moving, giant weapon, for I have barely been hit."
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>>254837473
Yeah bro shes not a pure waifu, she took the demon dick till she became a demon herself.
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>>254841380
>Demon's Souls wasn't 'hard'

Nobody said it was except for "gaming journalists", who are all shit at video games, and kept annoying the fuck out of Miyazaki asking him about the difficulty, which was a non-issue for him. They blew it out of proportion and that's how Dark Souls' atrocious tagline came about.
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On a related note, did anyone else watch agermanspy lose his shit over auto-tracking. Like Jesus Christ, Franz. You're usually so mature. It's a video game, dude. And that was the second time he fucking lost it completely that episode. Sure, the game has flaws, but it's A GAME. I've never seen someone so professional that close to a full-blown temper tantrum before.
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>>254841602
>one game is shit, it means the other is not

I share your sentiment about DaS2 though
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>>254841454
It's true, how could you even call 5-3 a real boss? you just backstab garl because he's a fucking idiot and the girl doesn't do anything. It was more of a disappointment than BoC, which wasn't really a shock having already experienced the Dragon God, which is arguably worse.

And i'm saying this having really enjoyed DeS
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>>254826987
It can't be that good if they didn't bother putting it on PC.
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>>254841592
>implying the faggot who insists on calling everything 'easy' and acting like xXHaRdCoReXSePhIrOtHXx isn't autistic
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>>254836651
It's "So the world might be mended" you tard.
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>>254826987
Actually, the community became shit after Dark Souls got popular
In the beginning, even Dark Souls threads were great
but then the mainstream ruined it
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>>254840054
>There's a big bad demon
A god actually

>Go kill all of its' lesser demons to lull it back to sleep
It's actually to call for King Allant's attention.

>He got summoned by a king who fell into depression
He was melancholic of the never ending suffering, he was already better because he believed that what he was doing was actually good.
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>>254841770
>one game is shit, it means the other is not
Not what I meant, the guy who said those things was saying DeS was shit compared to the sequels, I'm saying they were all shit in their own way.
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>>254841602

>Under 10 hours
>Dark Souls 2

Yeah sure if you're a speedrunning faggot or some shit. I played Demon's Souls legit taking my damn time it was under 10 hours.

>Infinite healing items
It was far worse in Demon's. You could farm insta heal grass easily. Hell I didn't farm and had sets of 99.

>Easy bosses in 2
Smelter Demon, Dark Lurker etc
Demon's Souls has the easiest bosses in the series, the fat shit that just sits there, a glob with littile globs, and just about everything else
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>>254841806
>It was more of a disappointment than BoC, which wasn't really a shock having already experienced the Dragon God, which is arguably worse.

Bait.
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>>254841762
Yes but what I'm saying is /v/ seems to have this stigma where if you claim you found anything even remotely challenging, there's at least one autismal /v/irgin who just HAS to reply with 'OMFG THAT WAS NOT HARD YOU FILTHY CASUAL CUNT KILL YOURSELF'.

And then they go on to call things they actually die to artificial difficulty instead of admitting that it was actually challenging.
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>>254840674
>DaS has a shitload of background on this
So does DeS. Your eyes are seeing what your mind wants to see.
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>that fucking hype
>that being tempted to watch chinese dudes play it early
>that first time being invaded
>that first time you beat maneaters and asked people about their experience

Besides Shenmue or Yakuza threads, DeS threads were the best I've ever been in.

RIP Souls series

RIP Miyazaki - forver doomed to make generic third person action-RPGs
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>>254842058
the only I boss that I remember dying too was Old Hero, and I didn't know the fucker was blind.
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>>254842201
Thank MGSO for coining git gud.
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>>254841806
Dragon God at least made sense visually. Bed of Chaos is the exact same fight, but they had no way of communicating to the player they could hide behind the tiny-ass trees (and the floor won't fall out around them).
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>>254842536
Dragon Boss made sense.

The fucker is just standing there and theres canons aimed right at him and he doesnt even bother to take them down.
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>>254842278
>tfw waiting for pic related to arrive in the mail from China
>tfw DeS pre-Euro/US release threads were 5 years ago

Christ, I'm pretty sure at least half of the current /v/ userbase didn't even know /v/ existed 5 years ago, or were probably 12 years old.
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>>254842132
It's true, at least in BoC you can do it fairly quickly. The dragon god required you to break pillars forever and he hits way harder, killing you in one hit if you don't have the best equipment/overlevelled.

These are both examples of shitty "bosses" and are padding in the worst way. They've been doing this since DeS
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Ok so I haven't been to many Bloodborne threads because I didn't want to deal with the shit flinging and dumbasses responding to it. I'm really curious as to why people think it's going to fail other than
>Ps4 exclusive
>15 FPS

I have high hopes for it considering it'll be published by a slightly less Jewish company and Miyazaki will have a direct hand in it.
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>>254842720
>tfw I was 23 five years ago
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>>254842720
>People who were 13 when Demon's Souls came out can now post on /v/.
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>>254829085
I also bought a PS3 to play this game. It was superior to Dark Souls in every way, and the bossfights were simply better. DaS did a good job adding onto the combat with lunge attacks and jumping, but for some reason decided to do away with a mechanic as simple as being able to climb chest high walls.

Try not having shit taste and then playing the game again.
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>>254841848
are you 12 years old?
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>>254842875
I'm cautiously optimistic. Dark Souls II was just such a burn though, there's no way I'm buying a PS4 just for Bloodborne, even if it does turn out good.
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>>254842857
If you do it right, Dragon God should never hit you. Git gud nigga
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>>254842942
>being a man child
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>>254842875

It looks like a cross between Souls and Fable. Miyazaki says the combat is more "basic", and the focus is more on atmosphere.

It seems pretty unoriginal.
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>>254842720
Nice boxart. I wonder if the artbook and guide are the same as the Euro black phantom edition
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>>254843153
I think it's extremely likely that the community will HATE Bloodborne because it's not DeS or DaS1. And that's the only reason. I'm looking forward to it.
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>>254843252
>being a child
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>>254843209
i never found a solid consistent way to do it without dying. Thinking of replaying the game again, so this would probably help.
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>>254843252
You have to be over 18 to post here, kid.


>>254842278
The shitstorm surrounding Maneaters and Flamelurker were fucking incredible.
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>>254843306
>basic
didn't he say more deep?
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>>254842536
searching for cover is pretty obvious, and BoC doesn't hit nearly as hard as dragon god. The floor dropping was bullshit, even if it doesn't fall out from directly under you (at first).

They didn't communicate Dragon god has the memory of a goldfish and will forget you're there if he can't see you for 1 second. They were honestly both very poorly designed. Both bosses were padding because the games were rushed
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>>254843306
Where did he say it was more basic?
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>>254843431
Not sure about the artbook but I do know the Black Phantom edition had a different guide based on the DeS wiki.
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>>254843485
Hide behind the pillars and run when he's looking away. If his eyes turn red you've been seen
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>>254843431
>>254842720
Is there any special reason why the EU box has the blue aura and the US box has the red aura?
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>>254842857
You're seriously retarded.
I can do Dragon God in 5 minutes flat. You can one shot the broken pillars easily, either by having pwwt and picking up the dragon bone crusher or whatever it's called, or simply 2handing a large weapon like a bastard sword, you don't even need the stats to wield it properly.
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>>254843529
I'm 19

and I'm pretty sure that 18+ only applies to boards like /b/

>inb4 summer is here
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>>254843597

He said it's more action focused, less tactical. That's why I mentioned Fable.
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>>254842713
I'm just saying, you've got a boss that tries to punch your shit, and huge-ass columns that separate you. You can actually look at the area and figure out what you need to do. They're both very much puzzle fights with simple solutions, but the BoC is such a design clusterfuck everyone just bolts their way through because there's no way they could know how it was actually designed to be done.
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>>254843676
well i did do that, and i even used one special ring of stealth, but the fucker sometimes just decides to punch at random
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>>254842720
God! I want the Deluxe edition.
>tfw the cheapest item in Ebay was $200.00
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>>254843209
you wouldn't know how or if you're doing it right because they don't communicate how he operates. his memory problems, his 1HKO firebreath. If people had no problems wit Dragon god then theres no way they have problems with BoC

both of these bosses were shitty padding
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>>254843821
>and I'm pretty sure that 18+ only applies to boards like /b/

oh boy
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DaS>DeS>DaS2
Overall, I'd say dark is the better game , demons has the better atmosphere are art though.
Dark Souls II is like they took the worst of both games and mashed it together. I was thinking. It'd be the exact opposite too. Such a disappointment. Its also sad to think that dark souls 2 is better than almost every other game out there too, despite being so inferior to its predessecors.
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>>254843684
Red is our special edition. It comes with an artbook, soundtrack, and 150 page guidebook
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>>254843774
and you can do BoC in even less time. you're point?
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>>254844001
>tfw I had one and sold it for £70 3 years ago because I needed cash

Fuck, I really want to rebuy it.
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>>254842021
Is this that SM faggot who got blown the fuck out yesterday? jesus dude you are pathetic
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>>254843821
>only applies to boards like /b/
Nah nigga, rules are rules
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>>254844058
just checked the rules.

18+ applies for everything. well shit.
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>>254843821
>inb4 summer is here

>inafter summer is literally here
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>>254844061
>Its also sad to think that dark souls 2 is better than almost every other game out there too, despite being so inferior to its predessecors.
This is very much true. Most modern games are shit compared to DaS2 even though it's shitty compared to DeS and DaS. Hilarious.
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>>254844163
>you're point?
>you're

That you're retarded and wrong, thanks for helping me prove that.
And no, you cannot do BoC quicker than you can do Dragon God.
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>>254844061
>dark souls 2 is better than almost every other game out there
Try telling that to the Community. Their favorite passtime is bitching about it. We've all heard the complaints, we all know that you hate it. Whether or not I agree doesn't even matter, I'm just tired of all the complaining.
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>>254843821
>I'm 19
You sure are :^)
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>>254843598
Well the thing about Bed of Chaos is that the cover makes no sense. You can stand right beside a tiny tree, and she'll swipe directly through you and the tree and not touch you. It's visual nonsense.
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>>254844308
Yeah time to fuck off kid.
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>>254840758
>actually well designed, finished areas
There were some well-designed corridors when they weren't completely black.
>NPCs which names you actually remember and cordially care about
Maiden in Black is the only memorable one if you're not pursuing magic.
>unforgettable bossfights with soulful music
Yeah, they sure were unforgettable for how disappointing every final area boss was. So were most of the bossfights, actually.
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>>254844484
Bait.
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>>254841665
>using giant-ass weapons when having no poise.

For what purpose.
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>>254844402
>Their favorite passtime is bitching about it.

Yeah we should totally allow shitty level design, copypasta'd enemies/bosses, endless mobs that replace unique enemies, one hit kill bosses, and a shitty ending.

Fuck standards.
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>>254844308
I remember when 18+ didn't apply to everything
I remember when moot was underage
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>>254844402
As it's own game DaS2 would've been fine, but it committed a major sin by being an awful sequel to a good game. That's the reason so many people complain about it, because it wasn't just mediocre, it was also a massive disappointment to people who thought they'd enjoy it as much as they enjoy DeS and DaS.
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>>254844484
>Maiden in Black is the only memorable one if you're not pursuing magic.
...?
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>>254844760

Not to mentioned the major bullshit with the graphical differences.
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>>254844678
flipping after the patch, obviously
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>>254844359
>prove
how?
and yes you can. it takes way less time.
run to one side
run to the other side
less obstacles
run to the center
poke demon
win

how hard is that? they're both shitty as fuck "bosses" but one is over faster
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>>254844760
Yeah, and I get all that. I've heard it a million fucking times, and I'm sure From has as well. It's just a neverending shitstorm pouring out of the mouths of every fan, and it's the same complaints every time. I've heard it all. It's getting really fucking old. From knows they fucked up, so just don't play the game anymore.
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>>254844918
>muh graphics

oh, fuck off. Don't you have some early access wall textures to stare at?
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>>254844832
This
DeS and DaS are flawed masterpieces. With more time for design, and a larger budget they would be games that would be remembered forever. As it stands know, many remember and know of them, but its more of a cult following and marketing ploy.
Dark souls 2 is just a flawed game. On its own its okay, but compared to its preqeuls and thus, what it should have been, its shit.
There's no reason for dark souls 2 to have the same faults as DeS/DaS.
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>>254841980
It's a demon. The fact that miracles are also drawn from it is irrelevant. It feeds on souls = it's a demon, that's the logic we're presented in the game.

>It's actually to call for King Allant's attention.
No, it's so that the Old One tries to make you into its' officer. Killing true Allant is only the last step to that because he resides inside the old one. And you get his attention as soon you kill his doppleganger and the game goes on if you didn't kill all the other bosses.

>He was melancholic of the never ending suffering
That's pretty much what 'depression' means, anon.
>>
The old Demons Souls threads were amazing, especially before guides were made and everyone was trying figure the game out. When people tried baiting out the community with "muh artifical diffucultly" or "Game is easy" they were either ignored or got told to fuck off.

After Dark Souls released, everyone stopped talking about Demons Soul's and talked about DaS. After the dust had settled, people tried to talk about DeS again, but due to the massive fanbase increase of Dark Souls, shit posting was inevitable and now we can't have a decent thread, this thread is proof enough.

I'm glad the souls games are popular, I just wish the community didn't go to shit.
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>>254845119
>from knows they fucked up
Yeah, that's why that haven't fixed it, and the dlc continues to do the same things everyone is complaining about
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>>254844432
through those little twigs yeah, but the BoC has a limited range and you can always see it coming, so you can get out of there in time. With magic shield he can't even touch you
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>>254845198
not really, dark souls 2 is a game that stands out as leagues better than demons souls and superior to dark souls 1 in every way other than world connectivity and it not being the first game in the dark souls series.

Music: Dark souls 2
Game design: Dark souls 2
Combat: Dark souls 2
Weapon and armour variety: Dark souls 2
PvP: Dark souls 2
Enemy design and placement: Dark souls 2
Graphics: Dark souls 2
Optimisation: Dark souls 2
Magic system: Dark souls 2
NG+ mode: Dark souls 2
DLC: Dark souls 2
Area design: Dark souls 2
World design: Dark souls

Why do we hate dark souls 2 again?
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>>254827548
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>>254842269
>So does DeS. Your eyes are seeing what your mind wants to see.

Where? Honestly, where? Even items made from boss souls have bland as shit descriptions most of the time. Boletaria has absolutely no history about it, neither does any of the sections aside from Latria and that can be summed up in one sentence.
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>>254845305


Also the Soul games were never hard, after you master 1 souls games, the rest become easy. Even prepatch Dark Souls was easy when I first played it.
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>>254845441
Fuck off kevin
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>>254844760
the funny thing is that from only reading this post I couldn't out which souls game you were talking about. they're all heavily flawed in similar ways
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>>254845000
>how?

Seriously? At this point if you're just pretending to be retarded, you're a natural.

>they're both shitty as fuck "bosses" but one is over faster

Yes, and that one is Dragon God. BoC takes much longer because of all the backtracking, not to mention the hoping and praying you have to do that one of the constant sweeping attacks doesn't knock you into a hole, or that your jump is timed and positioned so that you land dead center on the vine or that you're not knocked off mid jump.

There is no such element of luck in the Dragon God fight. You can get through the entire fight without the Dragon God attacking once.
At this point I'm beginning to think you've never played DeS and are just shitposting.
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>>254844906
Yuria is the other one.
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>>254845198
Maybe you guys were expecting too much, then. I'm happy they didn't release a carbon copy of DeS or DaS1, but with updated graphics like everyone wanted. I'm happy they tried new things. They're experimenting in trying to make the series better as a whole. Even if you didn't like DaS2, it's still one step closer to that Souls masterpiece that we're all waiting for, just give From more time to work out what makes the series good or bad, and pray that Kadokawa doesn't fuck it up.
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>>254845170
>oh fuck off false advertising is perfectly fine

I've been a fan of From Software inscr about 2005, and that made me lose all, and I mean all respect I had for them.
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>>254845441
This is the weakest bait I've ever seen.
You didn't even cast a line, you just yelled at fish from the dock.
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>>254826987
Playing through it now. Some of the bosses can be cheap at times, like the Maneaters, or that boss at the end of 2-2 who goes berserk at low health and doesn't give you a chance to get away.

The levels themselves are godlike, though. It oozes atmosphere. When a lot of enemies are after you, you truly feel set-upon, but no fight is ever hopeless.
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i was wondering if its worth to buy a ps3 just to play demon souls since i enjoyed dark souls and wanted to try the first one in the franchise also is it availebel in ps store since my local game(stop) dont have it
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get over it, this happens to all games that get popular
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I think I need a little guidance
>beat 1-1
>got all the way to the boss in 1-2
>go up and kill all the archers first
>go down to the boss
>I only do 6 damage each hit
>eventually die
>try the mine area
>see that it takes me 15 hits to kill each regular enemy and assume I didnt go to the right place
>try the "blighttown" area
>actually get pretty far but die in that area where you have to either go down a letter or jump down through the roof, and there are like 5 enemies down there
>used all my poison curing items in the process so would never be able to get that far again

Are one of the 2 areas I haven't tried yet easier?
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>>254845924
>can't even beat tower knight
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>>254845523
I have to disagree, I played DeS before DaS and the latter ripped me a new asshole in a lot of areas, I hardly ever have been revived. DeS was a cakewalk on the other hand.
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>>254845772
What do you get out of pretending to be retarded for reactions on 4chan?
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>>254845924
Tower Knight is easy, though. Don't run away from his sheild bashing, run AT him and cut his legs until he falls down.

Or just cheese him with magic or something

World 3 is difficult if unprepared, have some ranged weapon
World 4 has ROLLING SKELLINGTONS, make of that what you will.
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>>254846048
Well, I only tried once and I think I need a better weapon before I can fight him. I don't remember which weapon I'm using but it's a sword and I've been pumping points into strength and dex so I thought I'd be doing more damage
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>>254846132
I get assholes like you to respond to me, apparently. Also,
>pretending to be retarded
Good argument, m8. Lots of supporting evidence. Not a fallacy at all.
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>>254841425
underrated post
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>>254845924

The 1-2 boss, after you kill the archers you attack his feat, eventually he falls over and you can hit the head for good damage.

In World 2 you have to use piecing weapons against the miners, slashing weapons have little effect.

World 5 is the last area you want to try, after you complete world 1-2, try world 2 when you get a piercing weapon.

World 3 and 4 are the next places to go.
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>>254826987

I miss when you weren't alive.
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>>254846331
You have to hit both feet until he falls down. The visual effects and sounds make it quite obvious
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>>254845924
What weapon are you using?
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>>254846359
Hey, I was assuming that you were pretending for your benefit. I shudder at the thought of someone being genuinely as retarded as you are.
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>>254845705
>BoC takes much longer
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>>254846374
>World 5 is the last area you want to try, after you complete world 1-2, try world 2 when you get a piercing weapon.

Shit advice, enjoy being overlevelled and killing everything in 1 hit
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>>254845705
that's bullshit, your argument is flawed as fuck. The only way you can get DG to not attack at ALL is knowing exactly how to do the fight. If you go into the fight with the same amount of experience you can do BoC way faster, especially if you have magic shield, which renders all of his attacks useless. and you don't even have to jump onto the tree you can just walk up to it and fall onto it. It's way faster.

Granted the bonfire is way too far away, but if you know what youre doing it's not a problem, just like if you know what youre doing the DG isn't a problem.

the main point is that both of these bosses ARE shitty (im not defending BoC and certainly not DG) and that From can't finish a game to save their lives
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>>254845248
>And you get his attention as soon you kill his doppleganger and the game goes on if you didn't kill all the other bosses.
What? I'm sure you have to kill the rest of the archdemons (The last boss of each level) to meet the real Allant.
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>>254846536
Maybe your fedora is too tight?
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>>254846430
>>254846295
OK, thanks you guys. I won't stay in the thread any longer because I don't want to get too much help. I've beaten DaS and DaS2 and am really enjoying DeS so far from what I've played. I was playing 1-2 during the middle of the knight, and hiding from a dragon shooting flames everywhere had me really immersed in the game.
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>>254846547
It does you fucking idiot.
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>>254845441
I don't really see how game design can be better, when mechanics is the games are always at odds with one another. PvP isn't better because from killed it to prevent thinking. The areas are more straight forward, more bonfires are available, and some decisions are just stupid (a wall seperating the player in iron keep to belfry).
Dark souls 2 was a huge step down. Only things it does better are the vast selection of weapons and armor, but because magic is essentially required for PvP and their is always a "best" weapon, its only better from a fashion standpoint.
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>>254846619
But the real Allant talks to you the second you kill his clone. So you do get his attention early.

You meet real Allant inside the Old One
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>>254846649
>f-fedora!

Nice damage control kid, you learn that one from tumblr?
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>mfw some anon claiming they fixed poise
>get excited and go on with my 100+ poise char
>get stunlocked to death by katanafag

Welp looks like poise and STR is still shit for PvP.
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>>254846676
night* fuck, I also said "letter" instead of ladder in my first post
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>>254846069

I don't know then, Darks Souls wasn't hard, the only hard boss fight was O&S, the rest were piss easy and you had many Vanguard clones you had to fight.

Also the bonfire system made the game way less frustrating, you always got healing items when you died, you never needed more then 5 flasks before you ran into another bonfire and never needed more then 10 to complete an entire area and defeat the boss.

Not counting Poise made defense sets viable, the only defensive set in Demons Souls was the blessed sets, and they were more recover hp oriented then actually blocking hits oriented.
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>>254846709
There were also way more options for magic, pyromancy etc. THAT in my opinion is what they did right
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>>254845772
>expecting too much
I expected the absolute best aspect of the previous games melded into one. I expected the best souls game, and possibly best game, ever
I didn't expect from to kill PvP, focus even more on YOU DIED LOL, completely destroying how the world was built and connected, and I didn't expect from to not fix any issues.
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>>254841425
Yeah, it was a real good dungeon crawl, I got lost often for retarded reasons in the corridors since I was playing with brightness 0 for extra sketch factor. I remember the frist time I heard the singing merchant I shit my pants and quit for the day. Good times
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>>254846564

Its just some advice, the swamp area of World 5 is much more difficult then any other part of the game.
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>>254847086
The swamp area is the second part.

It's a good idea to clear the first level of each world before starting the second tier, except 1-2 since it's piss easy. Helps keep the difficulty curve interesting.
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I'd like to play Demon's Souls, but it's a PS3 exclusive. I guess I'll never get to play it until PS3 emus are a thing.
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>mfw dark souls 2 is by far the best game in the series
>mfw the music is by FAR the most thematically fitting of the series and actually represents boss movements and tactics incredibly well
>mfw the level design is condensed with fun and consistent enemy placement
>mfw the pvp isn't barren and desolate because soul memory removes wooden level restrictions and you can invade hollows now
>mfw the weapon design, armour design and relative abundance of said things is the most consistent of the series in quality throughout the game
>mfw the atmospheric value of areas such as drangleic castle, shrine of amana and undead crypt including the other varieties of areas we were given, were simply outstanding for the relative problem from software have of succesfully putting atmospheric experience in their game design.
>mfw the bosses are the fairest and least mechanically bugged in the series as of yet.
>mfw the game offers the biggest quality of any vanilla souls title so far
>mfw the dlc for this game is coming out as post game completion created content, unlike artorias of the abyss which was ripped from pre-development
>mfw the only reason there is a massive wankforce is because people are having the same transition from demons souls whereby they realise just how uncreative from software are with their sequels and extended series
>mfw people might ACTUALLY think that demons souls is an original game
>mfw people are actually delusional enough to claim dark souls 1 is a better game than dark souls 2.
>mfw people actually claim that demons souls is anything other than the less realised bland skeleton the future souls games massively improved upon thematically.
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>>254847267

I can see the logic in that, but that wasn't how I played it.
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>>254846875
I never ever had to worry about healing in DeS because I died in 1-4 a bunch of times and collected a metric fuckton of best grass in the process. So I was always at full HP and healing in DeS takes miliseconds compared to chugging Estus.

The only problem I ever had in DeS after figuring out that my armor is bloody useless was False King Allant, it was the only boss that made me lose Stones of E. Eyes and I had to fight him in soul form.

Bonfire system I can't argue against, but if you don't count shortcuts I am pretty positive that any bonfire<->bonfire path is longer than most DeS stages.
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Unrelated, but, is it the right thing to do to kill Gwendolyn?
I don't want to light the bonfire, but I don't want to be a dick and just kill the Gods if they're not hollow.
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>>254845382
I'm actually talking about this. A lot of people don't realize that if you stand by these trees along the route, you will not take damage. That's why the ground never breaks out around them, they were meant to be a safe spot just like the Dragon God. Her swipes will literally go through your body and the tree, completely missing you, even if you're standing on the wrong side. The whole fight was designed to be just like the Dragon God. Run to a column, hide, watch where the ground falls out, run to the next between her attacks. Her design has no way to illustrate that to the player though. The room's safe spots make no sense visually, and it was probably unfixable without redesigning the boss completely, so we ended up with the compromise we have now.

I'm not saying the boss is hard, I'm just saying it was originally a puzzle fight like the Dragon God but they could never figure out a way to convey it to the player.
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>>254847046
>we will never get a 6th archstone DLC

;_;

Did they ever even mention in-game why the archstone was destroyed? Or is it just ignored?
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>>254847086
>much more difficult

Not if you can into bows, faggots fall to their deaths with little provocation.
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tfw never knew about the tower knight cheese until a month ago
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>>254845520
Every place aside from Stonefang Mine every place have a detailed lore behind it.

Boletaria is a the main city and castle of the kingdom. The Kingdom was once privileged to house it's finest heroes: Alfred, the Knight of the Tower; Metas, the Knight of the Lance, and Long Bow Oolan, who commanded a legion of archers. Their physical bodies were twisted and distorted into demonic entities while their souls remained to guard the pathway leading to the False King.

Stonefang Tunnel was an excavation site under the control of King Allant. The miners who devoted their lives to the soldiers of Boletaria remained stubborn in their fruitless efforts to support the king, and rather than attempt to flee when the fog approached, they remained behind. Now devoid of sentience and soul, they mindlessly continue to chisel away at the tunnels. The caves create a maze-like system beneath the excavation ground worthy of its name “The Tunnel City.” Rumors of the tunnels sitting on the shrine of an ancient dragon are abound; the ancestors of the excavators were said to have worshipped and revered the dragon as a god. At its core sits a temple devoted to a fire demon whose flames are said to be the very essence from which blacksmithing was begun.
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>>254846678
Nah, it really doesn't
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It still baffles me that people honestly, truly believe that DAS2 is the worst game ever. It certainly isn't the worst game From has put out. People treat them as messiah's but they've put out more stinkers than they have gems. Dark Souls 2 had better online, a better engine, better gameplay, and better menus and general quality-of-life and replayability. The ONLY issue it has is that its lore is kind of shit.
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>>254847332
>not just getting a cheap PS3 now that PS4's out
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>>254847828
>Her swipes will literally go through your body and the tree, completely missing you, even if you're standing on the wrong side.

That's utterly retarded if true. I have to test this.
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>>254848015
Actually, it does.
The only reason I can imagine you'd think otherwise is if you'd never played DeS.
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>>254848046
>implying I'm going to waste at least $140 just to play a Souls game
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>>254831054

Xbots play mediocre FPS

Sonyggers play movie games and jrpgs

It's pretty obvious who's actually more casual
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>>254848280
>implying PS3 still has no games
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>>254831675
Just got Demon's Souls, how come he can roll easily, is it because he pumped endurance only and now he has a lot of equip weight or what
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>>254848386
>DeS is a movie
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>>254847828
I can see that. I never used those safe spots, even on my first playthrough because the obvious thing to most people (i think) is to follow the floor root there since the floor to the right is falling away. I just liked how you could clearly see BoC attacks so you could respond by dodging, blocking etc. with DG the camera was ridiculous and all his attacks were basically unblockable (i don't know if it's possible to block his fist smash, i always just got wrecked by it).

From isn't good at puzzle bosses.
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>>254847997
The Tower of Latria was a shrine devoted to the Ivory Queen in the lands neighboring Boletaria. With her husband, Latria ruled her kingdom - encompassing a penitentiary, a church, and the great tower itself - to the great adoration and respect of her people. Latria banished her husband from the lands for unknown reasons, and when the fog bathed the kingdom, Latria’s husband found himself filled with a terrible and vengeful lust. He soon discovered the source of his mad desires - a beautiful and flowing golden garb that seemed to beckon his name. When he put the robe on, a rage filled within him. The old man returned and ordered his wife exiled from her own kingdom and her family imprisoned in the cells Latria formerly governed. In each cell block, the old man commanded inhuman guards to keep watch over the tortured prisoners for eternity. He oversaw the construction of an idol made in his wife’s image to give false hope to the inmates, and with the masses of flesh accumulated throughout the years, the old man has begun creating his own army of demons, among them the ravenous Man Eaters. Suspended from the middle of the tower is a large, mechanical heart, constructed in an effort to help maintain the old man’s own existence. The souls of the damned inside of the prison are used as life-giving sustenance to keep the heart beating. In time, the old man’s body began to whither and decay, and the golden garb - the true source of the old man’s demonic rage - beckoned a new host. With the old man rid of the robe’s life-force, he breathed his last gasp of air.
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>>254848042
Retards with insanely high expectations and or a total blindness when it comes to the flaws of the older games
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>>254847737
Yes Gwyndolin is a faggot who deserves to die. Can't even put up a decent fight.
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>>254848063
Found a random video where the guy does it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pal08zSq5tU&feature=player_detailpage#t=136

He stands behind the tree, but you can also stand to the left or right of it. Probably not the front, but I've never tried.
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>>254848672
The Shrine of Storms was an isolated land where pagans would go to worship the god of Storms, and where legends of fallen heroes were mourned. The colorless fog released a flood of souls from the many catacombs, which soon found hosts in the skeletal remains littered across the island. Tales of great pagan deities and Boletarian folklore gave birth to reality as the Shrine is now home to fiction-made-flesh. Adjudicator, the great Judge of the Deceased, awaits the passing of a new hero to begin the process of purification before the soul is given up as a sacrifice to the great Storm King, a mighty beast that soars high above the island’s ancestral burial ground. The Storm King himself is merely the embodiment of the ideas of an ancient pagan civilization, given corporeal form by the colorless fog. Deep inside the ruins of the Shrine of Storms is a burial ground devoted to the legend of a great and nameless Hero who now blindly continues his lust for power and fame, he as well a legend of a distant generation perpetuated by the pagan rituals
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>>254847831
It's destroyed because they had to ship the game. There is no canonical reason. What lied beyond it was a frost giant type area that became the Painted World in Dark Souls.
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>>254847682

Having a shit ton of grass was only useful in pvp, you shouldn't need that much to complete a area. The grass system only gets broken when you are able to buy full moon grass from Patches(assuming you keep him alive), which that is near the endgame when you can purchase it from him.

Demons Souls had few tough boss fights, but it in my honest opinion it had the most interesting.

I'd argue against that, Dark Souls had Bonfires all over the place, I think the longest bonfire to bonfire path was the last part of Sens Fortress.

Don't take this as me not liking Dark Souls, I loved the game, but the souls games were never really difficult after you get passed the fact the games don't hold your hand.
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>>254848867
>that became the Painted World in Dark Souls.
Wrong.

Painted World was just one big test level/proof of concept that they'd worked too hard on to throw away.
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>>254848469
There's a ring that increases your equip weight by a ton. I can't remember what it's called but it was pretty useful in my first playthrough.
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>>254848840
The Valley of Defilement is a wretched home for the abused and neglected citizens of Boletaria. A dumping ground for the Kingdom’s unholy, the Valley became notorious as a place where one could leave the fetus of an unwanted child to rot in the festering swamps. Hearing of the Valley’s dreadful circumstance, the Sixth Saint Astraea took it upon herself and, along with her companions, The Holy Knight Lizaia, The Moonlight Knight Bito, and Garl Vinland, traveled there in hopes of freeing the depraved souls consumed by the fog. The mindless drones that now remain in the Valley will violently attack any who threaten them in hopes of claiming souls to offer up to the great Maiden who showed them compassion. In the deepest pits of the Valley are born two vile demons out of the putrilage and plague that lingers in the deadly bog. It is said that Astraea pledged herself to the will of a Demon’s Soul to help ease the pain of the suffering, rather than to accept the aid of a cruel God who would allow such a place to exist.

The Archstone of the Giants actually had a lore too. The Northern Lands were once home to the race of mighty giants. They lived in relative peace with the rest of Boletaria, until the thick, colorless fog swept in and blanketed their domain. The Northern Lands were the first to succumb to the spread of Demons, and in an effort to contain the madness, Boletaria sent hundreds of thousands of its finest knights to the great kingdom to fend off the threat. The effort was for naught, and the Archstone connecting to this land was later destroyed as a last-ditch attempt to contain the chaos. It did not succeed.
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>>254848190
I'm just going to stop arguing since your opinion won't change. How about we say it takes some people longer to kill one over the other and compromise like the mature adults that we are.
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If the player was thrown into jail because he was a hollow, why is he let out if he still has his humanity?
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Demon's Souls on the whole had the better boss music in my opinion, it was really refreshing to play it after DaS and DaS2 and not having to listen to people chanting every time except for 1 or 2 bosses where it actually fit.
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>>254848190
Another fag here

It could be argued any way, because BoC is dead after three hits and DG has to be finished and fights back a bit after nailing him twice.

DG was certainly much less of a hassle, though, Fuck sweeping attacks catching me mid-jump and pushing aside.

>>254848892
>you shouldn't need that much to complete a area
It certainly didn't hurt.
>The grass system only gets broken when you are able to buy full moon grass from Patches(assuming you keep him alive), which that is near the endgame when you can purchase it from him.
Nah, stuffing your face full of the slightly brown grass usually healed 3/4 of my HP and it was more than enough.

>I'd argue against that, Dark Souls had Bonfires all over the place, I think the longest bonfire to bonfire path was the last part of Sens Fortress.
Unless we get some data on that the argument is pointless, then. I felt one way, I fel the other.

>Don't take this as me not liking Dark Souls, I loved the game, but the souls games were never really difficult after you get passed the fact the games don't hold your hand.
No big deal, as I said, I just feel the absolute opposite. It may just be the fact that DaS didn't pull any punches because devs didn't have to worry "Gee, what if someone goes there in soul form and has only 1/2 HP?" all the time. That's at least the feeling I got.
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>>254847831
see
>>254849340

>The Northern Lands were the first to succumb to the spread of Demons, and in an effort to contain the madness, Boletaria sent hundreds of thousands of its finest knights to the great kingdom to fend off the threat. The effort was for naught, and the Archstone connecting to this land was later destroyed as a last-ditch attempt to contain the chaos. It did not succeed.
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>>254848867

It was the world where the Old One first physically invaded, after spreading the word, the people of the 6th arch stone destroyed the arch stone to slow the Old One's madness from spreading.
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>>254849373
That sounds agreeable.
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>>254828148
in that moment, you were the monster
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>tfw brought PS3 for DeS
>tfw enjoy DeS , more than DaS and DaS II together
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>>254839993
Then you are retarded. Invade in Drangleic Castle, near the King's Passage; you'll be summoned by the Looking Glass Knight.
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Demon's Souls had better level design, itemization and character design than either of its predecessors. It also had creative ideas like world tendency which was only hated on by completionist autists.

Unfortunately, the bosses were too damn easy and build balance was abysmal. The community was hardly better, either. Especially with bullshit like Scraping Spear and the like.
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even with demons souls the community was too full of "omg i got invaded help me im so scared ;_;"
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>>254849340
And hardly any of these come up in the game in any form refering to all your posts, VoD actually got fleshed out thanks to Maiden and the merchant is what my problem is. The world feels extremely bare. Not to mention they all feel like disconnected from each other.
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>>254849883
>tfw bought ps3 for DeS
>tfw didn't enjoy it as much as DaS or Das2

well, whatever. the ps3 was only 140 and the game was only 4 bucks
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>>254849183
So it's worth to replace the thief ring i.e. with this one, right? It feels bad when you roll and just fall into the ground like a clumsy piece of shit...
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>>254850027
>That faggot who said he was going to invade DSP with a spear
>Everyone thought he was going to use the Scraping Spear
>It was just a shitty winged spear
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>>254849340
> The Northern Lands were once home to the race of mighty giants.

connection to DaS2 confirmed
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>tfw creating your character 15 times or so just to beat the first boss
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>>254830885
Thomas never knew what a monster you became.
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>>254850027
> It also had creative ideas like world tendency which was only hated on by completionist autists.

It was creative but it didn't work, making it a shitty feature.

>predecessors
You mean King's Field?
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>>254847396
>>254848042

>situations that become embarassingly easy after the first time
>good design
>situations that still keep you on your toes
>arfificial difficulty
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>>254850184
>And hardly any of these come up in the game in any form
They do, do you even played the game?
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>>254850276
I think the Thief's Ring is only worth wearing in Worlds 4 and 5. You could just wear both when your human.
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Why does it take so long for you character in DaS and DaS2 to walk through the fog gates?
You walk through them very quickly in DeS, but in DaS it leaves you to get back stabbed by enemies and players easily.
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I have no interest in picking up Dark Souls 2 so I can really sympathise with people who want to talk about DeS

I picked up Dark Souls on sale in January thinking that I had put it off for long enough, I love the game but no one wants to talk about it anymore.
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>>254849670


Getting 5 - 10 free flasks also didn't hurt when you needed healing. Not counting in Demons Souls when you died you only had half health, decreasing the effectiveness of healing item. You also had the humanity that could be farmed from rats that full healed you. Then you had armor that actually did things, you shouldn't be dieing a lot in Dark Souls.

I'm not the one who brought up the whole "bonfire placement was longer then the entire levels of demons souls" argument.
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>>254850569
Yes I did, a few years back. Most of Boletaria's backstory is fleshed out thanks to Ostrava, Latria gets bits here and there, especially the story about Old Monk and his robe, VoD is pretty simple and told you upfront. Everything else I never encountered.
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>>254850502
b-but they're all just copy-pasted enemies with no thought!
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>>254850716
It's like a freezer I guess. You know, when one put their hands in a fridge for a few seconds before taking something from it.
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In the tutorial of Demon's Souls, how do some players have bows? What class are they choosing first?

I would see players with bows attacking Vanguard.
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>>254850698

Thief ring helps a lot when fighting the Dragon God, speeds up the process a lot.
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>>254851161
Hunter has a bow on start.
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>>254851161

The hunter class has a bow.
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>>254826987
>Playing any of the souls games
>Not picking deprived for every single game
>mfw
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>>254851210
Damn.
I went Soldier.
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>>254850716
In Demon's Souls, they were basically there for suspense. You never knew if a boss was behind it, or if it would be just more of the level. There are a ton of pretty useless fog gates in the game. With Dark Souls, they went to pretty much just using them for gating bosses, and since getting to the boss kicks out invaders, it was probably decided that it was more balanced to actually give enemies/players the opportunity to knock you out of it.
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>>254850486
>predecessors
Yeah, wrong word.
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>>254851393
>DeS
>Deprived
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>>254851393
>creating the same character every game
>making the same character rule the world in every game
For what purpose? That's like, always creating some strong brute with nothing but strength wielding a claymore, but he has no intelligence role playing wise.
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>>254850826
>Everything else I never encountered =/= Not in there

Weapons descriptions like Istarelle and Moonlight Sword explain that about characters like Holy Knight Lizaia, and Bito respectively. The royal guard is right in your face in 1-4. You should play it again.
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>>254851451
>You never knew if a boss was behind it, or if it would be just more of the level.
But the fog walls with a boss behind them were a slightly different colour to the ones without, they were grey whereas the ones that didn't had a slight greenish tinge to them.
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>>254851648
You pick it because it starts you off at soul level 1 autist, allowing you to have complete freedom with your build.
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>>254851474
>What is barbarian
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>>254850790
Now that I think about it, maybe if I went into DaS with some reason it would be easier.

My first playthrough was a Guts build.
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>there are still people who think DaS2 is acceptable
DaS2 is not just a "disappointment" or "failed to live up to it's predecessors", it's actually a fucking horrible game. The director took a bunch of stuff out of the previous games but had no idea whatsoever about how to implement them. In Dark Souls the final areas were shit but it was still bearable to play because the core mechanics are so near-perfect, in Dark Souls 2 it's basically the opposite. Even if it had the most beautifully designed stages and encounters ever, it would still be fucking shit to play because of its disgusting gameplay.
They took poise from DaS but have absolutely no idea how it actually works, meaning you end up being somewhere between DeS and DaS where you ALWAYS get staggered by enemy's attacks, whereas only some of your attacks will break enemy poise based on what the game feels like at the time. At least in DeS you know that every attack is going to stagger anything it hits.
The enemies being able to rotate on the spot means that they are always guaranteed to hit the spot you're standing in, and because blocking, rolling, and parrying are all nerfed it means you have less tools to deal with it, a design decision that was made for the sake of killing the player more often to make the game seem "harder", the infinite enemy stamina also plays into this.
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Can Desfags and Dasfags agree that Dark Souls 2 was complete shit?
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>>254851991
Then you have weapon degradation, in the previous games you would have to play for several hours straight to get your weapon at risk, in DaS2 it takes about 25 hits to break your weapon completely. This is just to force you to take breaks between exploration so you can rest and reset the enemies in the area, again just to make the game "harder".
In the previous games you had two or three different types of roll which had different amounts of i-frames, meaning you had to choose between defence or being invincible during your roll. Because DaS2 lets you weigh anywhere up to 70% without any negatives, there's no reason not to wear armor. But there's also no working poise, so there's no real reason to wear armor either. In other words, armor is COMPLETELY cosmetic with no downsides to either wearing it or not wearing it (assuming you stay under 70% weight).
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>>254845441
>Music: Dark souls 2
Dark Souls 1 and DeS had way more memorable tracks. All DaS2 has is Majula.
>Game design: Dark souls 2
Nope, because you're literally teleporting to areas that make no sense geographically. DaS had a unique interconnected world that made sense.
>Weapon and armour variety: Dark souls 2
Nearly every weapon in DaS was unique, now weapons are almost as samey as DeS with the excuse of the powerstance mechanic.
>PvP: Dark souls 2
Demon's Souls didn't have broken ass hitboxes or backstab windows
>Graphics: Dark souls 2
Nah, DaS looks better on console and pc.
>Optimisation: Dark souls 2
I'm not sure what you're referring to so no comment.
>Magic system: Dark souls 2
I concede to this but it could have been better. You could aim in the beta and do heavy attacks.
>NG+ mode: Dark souls 2
sure, but I think World Tendency added more content.
>DLC: Dark souls 2
the one dlc we've gotten doesn't match AoTA, in value. All three won't match it in value or price because DaS2 has shit lore that no one gives a shit about.
>Area design: Dark souls 2
Nah, Demon's Souls.
>World design: Dark souls
yes
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>>254851884
The downside being wasted points in shit like resistance.
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>>254852129
Yes
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>>254851884
That's dumb, though, because the other classes give you the stats you'd want your character to have anyway.
Deprived starts you off at level 1 with 6 stats in every category.
A knight on the other hand, will start you off at around level 10, with the proper stats a knight would have.

Basically, you'd have 9 more points in different areas than deprived.

Deprived is just a caveman and it's a way to make you think you're in control, when you're not.
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>>254852129
Fair enough.
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>>254851884
>Deprived
>SL1 in the only game that matters
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>>254851991
Demons souls is a boring unfinished, uninspired kings field derivative with a less imaginative director who didn't really know what he was doing.

Dark souls 2 was somewhat more realised and interesting, but still lacked focus and was generally uninteresting due to a huge rushed schedule.

Dark souls 2 is a polished, quality game that bought back core values of what makes games like this truly special, and I for one congratulate the team and Naotoshi Zin on accomplishing that.
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Alright who wants to co-op in Dark Souls on PS3. Post your SL and area
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>>254852415
Are you the same Kevin who can't accept that Sayaka is a flaming lesbian?
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>>254852132
In all of the games, rings were a way of drastically changing how your character plays. In DeS you had one slot in soul form and two in body, in DaS you had two, and in DaS2 you get three. Three slots is too many in my opinion but that's subjective. The fact that many of the rings in DaS have enhanced versions means that rings just end up being character upgrades instead of game-changing modifications to your playstyle, and the way that many of the rings are highly situational, such as only being useful when trying to connect to a specific person online, means you just swap them whenever you need them instead of making them part of your build. In DeS there was still stuff like the fire resistance ring that works in a similar way, but DaS2 takes it way overboard. Overall DaS did this best.
Yet another thing that DaS2 fucks up is the "agility" stat, where you are essentially forced to put a significant number of levels into attunement or adaptability so that you can get back the i-frames that you SHOULD get from light-rolling. In other words the game intentionally nerfs your abilities from the start and makes you waste your time getting them back up to scratch. This was implemented to replace useless stats like resistance, but they should have either gone back to "luck" or just got rid of it altogether. It's a waste of time.
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>>254852354
You are a fucking idiot and don't understand the souls game if you think that's true. You have no fucking clue what builds are, and how having a buff on your weapon is essential.
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>>254852132
>Then you have weapon degradation, in the previous games you would have to play for several hours straight to get your weapon at risk,
Unless you were fighting against a guy with a scraping spear, in which case all your shit breaks faster than anything in DaS2.
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>>254852169
Please, don't tell me you unironically replied to pasta.
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>>254852132
>>254852129
>>254851991

HERE COMES THE DAS2 HATEBASE
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>>254852129
DaS 2 is decent. It did few things better than the two others but overall DeS is still the best.
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>>254852636
You're acting like a complete jerk.
First you call me an autist because you want to correct me on deprived being level 1, which I already knew. Then you want to call me a retard because you play like an actual autist making a "perfect" build at a "perfect" soul level.
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>>254827548
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgHNtzxO0y8
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>>254852984
>B-but le epic role playing
That's how much of a faggot you sound, you can make any character you please with deprived.
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>>254827551
Shrine of Storms is the best by far. I loved going there for the first time and getting completely wrecked by the first skeleton, it really made it all the more satisfying once you figured out a good tactic to deal with them.

And then you meet their golden counterparts.

Although I will admit that manta rays are annoying little shits. I still agree that the aesthetics are awesome. I always get a Highlander vibe when I enter.

Latria is definitely second, though, then Boletarian Palace. Stonefang is pretty alright, but I couldn't care for Valley of Defilement much at all.
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>>254853102
A role playing aspect with your character makes your character more human, and seems a lot more controlled than making a "perfect" build only for pvp.
Why don't you just make your own character fixing the world in their own way instead of looking up guides that other players have created?
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>>254852815
I've just written out huge paragraphs explaining in objective terms why DaS2 is shit. Please notice that I didn't say anything about graphics, level design, boss design, multiplayer, the people that worked on it, or anything else. I only mentioned aspects of the core gameplay, something that anyone who has played the games should be able to objectively refute if they have an actual point to make other than "please stop bullying me, I bought Dark Souls 2 as my first game because it makes me more hardcore than the other kids on the playground".
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>>254835186
fuck, that nigger gets 5k a fucking month for the shit he's doing? he averages a video like every one and a half weeks, and then it's a 10 minute long video with fucking LESS EFFORT THAN HIS OLD PREPARE TO CRY VIDEOS, and just repeating things he read on a forum somewhere.
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>>254853390
Why would making a SL1 character mean I use guides? Not everyone is as bad as you, mostly anyone who PVEs or PVPs will pick deprived because most of the time there a points in things that they don't want so SL1 is the best for a clean slate. That 9 points can be the difference from a 120 build, or a 129 build.
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>>254853391
This is a Demon's Souls thread, you have plenty of other threads to shit on DaS2 in.
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>>254853591
I'm sorry for upsetting you, anon. I just wanted you to make a smart character instead of a brute.
Even if you pick deprived in the beginning, no matter what armor you give your character later on, deep down, he's still a caveman.
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>>254853263
How were you supposed to beat the silver skeletons?
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>>254853263
>good tactic

>Braum
>Light Weapon
>R2
>R2
>R2
>536 souls

Every time
Fucking love the braum
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>>254835186
I like that song, though.
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>>254853660
This is actually a meta-thread about how the new generation of "souls fans" are retard shitposters, you can see it everywhere if you scroll up a bit. In any case you're just deflecting my argument because you don't want to address any points about how DaS2 is a piece of shit, and trying to take the moral high ground by claiming my posts are off-topic is not going to work.
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>>254853882
>Using magic
>Calling people cavemen

Ooga Booga! Me use fire!
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>>254828441
Fanbase was fine till Dark Souls PC edition came out
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>>254854084
dark souls 2 is the best game in the series.
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>>254832115
Not him. But I also enjoyed it.

Still had a strange feeling of dissapointment while playing it, somehow I just dont like the world in DaS2.

Cant really describe the feeling. Anyone else feels the same? It was a great game, but something was just not right about it...
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>>254853882
Yeah you're autistic. Sorry for your disability.
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>>254830885
>solaire
fucking hate that meme generating faggot
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>>254853897
I had a shield and winged spear, so I just took the first roll with my shield up and R1'd to interrupt every attack they attempted while keeping my shield up just in case.

I was pumping endurance and dexterity, though, so I usually didn't have to worry about running out of stamina before they died. Other than that, it's just a matter of knowing where they are so you don't accidentally aggro more than one at a time.
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>>254853982
The Bramd? I love to invade people in full Dark Silver armour and use the Bramd, they always shit themself when they see Garl Vinland fast rolling.
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>>254854273
It didn't feel as futile and hopeless as the others did.
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I consider shit like Ninja Gaiden harder than the Soul series and I still enjoy playing its games. I fail to see how difficulty is relevant on any good game.
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>>254854219
Glad to see you giving up and posting insanely obvious "bait" in an effort to save face. I'm sure you were only pretending in your previous posts as well. Here's the response you're so desperate for.
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I like Demon's Souls the best because it is more similar to King's Field and Shadow Tower. Dark Souls was great too, although I was disappointed in how the setting and such felt more like generic fantasy. Dark Souls 2 was meh, the only really nice positives in my mind were some of the items like the vanquisher's seal.
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>>254853897
>>254854472
I also used a winged spear.
The best way I found against the skeletons was to use a spiked mace.
Seriously, get a spiked mace and upgrade it. I was fucking wrecking those silver skeletons on the ledge after the grim reaper.
Even those fucking gold skeletons didn't stand a chance, and I was even given a great chance to knock them off the cliff.

Get a spiked mace and upgrade it.
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>>254854273
I got the sense after beating DaS1 that I had just completed a long and memorable journey, while DaS2 just felt like another game I had beaten. I'm not sure why.

Demon's Souls gave me a similar feeling despite being much shorter.
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>>254854404
>oh no, a character is popular, fucking faggooooot
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>>254854727
Dark souls 2 is the best in the series though anon, the designers were the most experienced in the fantasy setting and the lead designer integrated kings field influences incredibly well.

I'm sorry that you prefer inferior products.
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>>254854652
They were never supposed to be about extreme difficulty. That shit only started with the whole "prepare to die" thing Bamco did, and was furthered by their Dark Souls 2 advertising.
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>>254830885
>tfw he was worried sick about you
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Frampt and Kaathe are the same person
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>>254854987
No, Demon's Souls had a reputation for being hard. In fact, it was frequently criticized for being too hard.
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>>254855131
>Either ending you choose, is a victory for frampt and kaathe
I kinda was disappointed that they aren't in dark souls 2
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>>254855167
It had a reputation of being hard because at that time most people were used to increasingly casual games. It wasn't designed with the intention of being hard, and really wasn't advertised that way like DaS and DaS 2 were.
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>>254854987
Nah, pal. Shit started way back on DeS when it somehow started to appeal to larger masses of casuals. Once they figured it was considerably harder than their regular games. They spread it.
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>>254855131
I don't really understand how this would be possible.
Unless he's like Dog/God from New Vegas.
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>>254855438
illusion of choice
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