>finally decide to play Mother 3 for the first time after procrastinating for so many years
>playing as Flint in the first chapter after the big forest fire
>reach the part where he finds out that Hinawa's been killed
>don't expect much to happen since Flint's been silent up until now due to being playable
>instead he picks up a 4x4 and starts beating the fucking shit out of people in a blind rage and gets himself arrested
Fucking christ, man. I knew this game got dark at times but I didn't expect it to happen this early.
>mfw I realized Osohe was queen Mary's castle and the nowhere islands are actually magicant
>mfw all the clues that point to
Fassad being the last magypsy
mfw that mouse you meet in his room
I doubt it, the only reference to Mother 1 in Earthbound were the birdmen, Magicant and the whole gyg and melodies stuff.
>tfw we will never know what caused all the shit to go down
>we will never know what happens next
>tfw we will never know what caused all the shit to go down
Ninten and Ness pretty much did all for nothing, since their world went to shit. I think it's hinted in the game that the human race ruined it with its own hands. One of the themes of the game is the respect of the nature and the wrong use of technology, after all.
Earthbound had better enemy encounters though, since you could dodge them.
Mother was straight up random, and Itoi said that by the end of it, they just wanted to ship the game, so they fucked up the endgame area's balance, that's why Mt.Itoi is hard.
>Mother was better than Earthbound.
2 > 1 > 3
A fair point. And the dungeons are atrociously confusing.
But the music is the best in the series, and the story has a charm that even the sequels, with their more indepth tales, couldn't touch.
>dat every song in the soundtrack being fucking perfect
Reminder that the reason this game is so popular in the West is because of it's fantastic translation job. If it was translated by Nintendo and released the West it would be nowhere near as successful.
So, Mother 4. (the fangame)
How do you all feel about it?
I was cynical and kinda' against it at first, but it really does look like they've put a lot of work into it. I'm cautiously optimistic right now.
The delivery of the story was kinda effy though. I mean it got a lot of exposition in the beginning, untill you go to magicant and learn about the melodies. Then durning your Melodies Quest, nothing reminds you of the whole alien thing, it kicks back in the Lab where you activate EVE though, but like, for the half of the game, the Main Story just isn't there, instead you get smaller stories, like the Haunted house, the Tank, etc.
Couldn't find the music that plays in his house in New Pork City, but here's something else which is really cool about Fassad.
Listen to these one after another and it'll click.
If it's good, it'll be neat; if it's bad, it'll still be neat, so I can't lose.
Well that was the point, though. The main story did its thing, and the smaller stories spiced the game up nicely as you played it. Considering how little text is in the game it gave us a lot of memorable moments and characters, and it never felt like the story was overbearing. Hell Teddy is only in the game for the last eighth of it, but he still manages to be a character you care about when
he dies helping you out. It's pretty remarkable, especially considering the limitations of the time and console.
>tfw they started disappearing one by one
Even if they were a bit eccentric, it was sad seeing them go.
Earthbound though goofy could take the place of charming. It was wrong. If there was a remake of the original that used the Mother 3 games systems and nothing else, it would be the best in the series.
I hope you're ready for the ride anon.
You have no idea what you're getting yourself into man
See you back when you beat the game and post with the same picture so i know it was you faggot
>there are more people on /v/ who played Mother 3 as kids instead of Earthbound
Mother 3 was an okay game, but it was an AWFUL Mother game. The fan translation was irredeemable.
I didn't know I still got this saved.
You could have made an argument argument until "The fan translation was irredeemable."
You can say what you want about the game, but the fan translation is professional quality. Probably better than professional quality, to be honest.
>Doesn't include Masked Man Blue
Also both Mother and Pokémon GenV are based in America.
I'd say at least a small amount of Japanese Mother fans knew about it at the beginning, and then a larger amount knew after the trailer came out and more stuff was revealed.
They probably have the same mixed reception that you see on /v/.
Isn't that more a reference to Harmoknight
There's also the fact the white and black dragon Pokemon were originally one, owned by twin brothers.
It split into two when the brothers eventually fought.
You now realize the Pokemon world is the world of Mother 3 after the final needle was pulled, and Pokemon are chimeras in a new natural and painless form.
I think the neatest thing is using Google Translate to look up what they say about it.
I honestly liked that better than Earthbound's setup. They blew the expository load upfront, and then how you achieve it is what feels like disconnected random stuff. Nothing changes up pace as hard either, because the goal still stays "Go to Sanctuaries, beat Giygas"
That's why I liked Mother 3 a lot though, really good and consistent narrative. Nothing could have interchangeably switched around or taken out as much as Earthbound, where almost nothing really mattered.
They are all incredibly charming in their own way. I love it when Doria simply asks you to wait a few thousands of years for the bucket bros to take the water out of that pond. Doria is just that out of touch with the whole mortality thing.
The ruined castle just like the ending of Mother 1
The seashell houses
The sleeping dragon underground
The funny clothes of the inhabitants of said seashell houses.
Fuck dude the magypsies were the only natives of the nowhere islands left. MAGypsies. MAGicant
There's so many >implications from this. Is Kumatora the legitimate heir? Does that mean she's descended from Mary and George? George stole the secret of PSI from Gyiyg's race, so there must be some connection, but how did it sop read outside his family? How are Ninten and Ness connected? Who is the star master and how did Kumatora learn starstorm?
They've run almost flawlessly for me (almost), but I'm pretty sure that they aren't the most resource intensive.
If you've ever tried to run Mother 3 on a flashcart, you can attest to how it isn't like the average GBA game.
>Kids beat Gyiyg and save the world
>Gyiyg comes back and out of fear of being defeated again starts attacking from the past
>Kids go and defeat him thus changing the future
>Mother 1 events are rewritten
>Mother 3 takes place
>World gets rekt by the dark dragon
>World is restarted
>Mother 1 takes place again
But the events of Mother 3 couldn't have happened if time was re-written after Giygas' defeat. How could Mother 2's events change Mother 1's? I don't understnad what you mean by that.
Ambassador games were GBA games hacked to shit so they could run. You couldn't use any 3DS features while they are playing since the 3DS preforms a lobotomy on the second processor.
Aw man, I can't read past the first paragraph because it already doesn't make sense. Why would Porky bring Ness to the future only to have him brainwashed and working as a street vendor?? Does that make any sense? It's kind of clear that Ness is dead during the events of Mother 3 and Porky is unable to see him again (hence why he has his yo-yo and keeps it as a prized and protected memorabilia, along with all the other memories of him that exist in New Pork City and the time passage).
>Decide to play Explorers of Darkness
>Excepting mediocre game just like the first game
>Instead it's takes up a feel train
>Sky actually gives more to the feel train
It's a bit of a stretch, but Porky only because a dastardly SOB because he had a shit upbringing and was lonely. His fixation on Ness is simply because he wanted to be Ness's friend. A lonely, awkward tubby kid in extraordinary circumstances; people do strange, incoherent things.
Based on his theory, Mother 2's events CAN'T change Mother 1's events. Just because Giygas (or Giegue or Gyiyg or whatever you want to call him) begins to attack safely from the past doesn't mean anything beyond 'He's attacking from the past!'.
If the game took you to Gyiyg's home planet to abort his fetus or something, then that theory would make sense, but.. nah, there's no way, right, guys?
Kidding aside, chronologically, it's Mother 1 -> Mother 2 -> Mother 3. That's really all there is to it. The games barely affect each other beyond references, but Mother 3's guiltier of that than Mother 2 is by a long shot.
THE BAD NEWS IS WHERE I FOUND IT
fuck man that's an old one
I love seeing old shit for the first time in ages, it's a good feel
pic somewhat related
Yes I understand that, that's why all that memorabilia exists. But it wouldn't make any sense for him to brainwash Ness and make him a street vendor. I just looked over all 12 pages of that article and I am amazed at the supreme autism on display. The guy said he has spent a lot of time pondering over Mother's overarching story and I find that hard to believe.
Well yeah, the fetus theory is just as stupid, all it takes is playing Mother to know how untrue that is.
Well no, but I don't know what that has to do with that theory. I guess it would make sense for Porky to brainwash Ness into being his friend but not to make him into a street vendor.
I highly recommend playing them in order. Don't listen to anyone who says you can play them in whatever order you want, those people don't understand the series at all.
It still wouldn't make sense though, I also doubt Ness could be brainwashed. He's a master of PSI.
So, here's my theory:
You really do perform an abortion in Mother 2. Now, hear me out before you Motherfags get too nutty. Itoi has come out as publicly stating that no abortion or anything particularly abortion-like is taking place in that final act, but there's an interesting thing to note about Japan and abortion.
Specifically, the Japanese consider children to be a gift, and abortion at the time was considered EXTREMELY taboo over in Japan. So of course Itoi would cover his ass and say Ness and the kids weren't outright naively aborting Giygas in the womb. All the fuckin' evidence is there, it's not a coincidence, Itoi did a shit job hiding it. It's Itoi being Itoi and assuming we're not going to catch on. It's par for the course for that guy.
The reason why the kids can't grasp the true form of Giygas' attack, the reason why Giygas looks nondescript and impossible to really pin down a fluid form for, is not because Giygas had essentially evolved into some kind of insane, pure evil entity. It all boils down to the fact that the kids had their brains implanted into shitty robots. They just can't quite fully grasp the reality of the situation between all the danger involved in what they were doing, and the fact that the entire situation was so god damn surreal.
But that's just a theory. A game theory. Thanks for reading.
.......and jeff my son
Mother 1+2 is a contemplation of the first 2
But, just get an Nes emulator and Snes emulator
No. There is no abortion, but I do think the fetus shapes could be a semblance to the events before Mother 1.
Also Giygas only appears like that because his presence malfunctions the robot eyes.
I would play Earthbound before Mother3.
If you don't like Earthbound you won't like Mother 3 anyway
Giygas didn't go insane because of his powers, did you play Mother 1? And as I explained in my last post, he only appears like that because the robot eyes malfunction, hence the static and glitched effects on screen.
I don't have facts, but I do have observations. As I said the static and glitch effects, and also the fact that the image itself is a warped upside-down version of Giygas' face.
It seems something like that would have been better for "show, not tell" to the player.
Fucking hell, I bet this was where the "ruined Onett" screenshot came from on that scrapped N64 incarnation.
Claus shot that lightning bolt at Lucas when he has his consciousness knowing it would reflect and kill him, because if he didn't he risked going mad again and killing his family
The only parts I remember from the game are that scene, that island where they get high on mushrooms, those statues boss that was hard as fuck, and fighting
Lucas brother. Earthbound was a more memorable game to me, though the characters werent half as good.
>You can run emulators on Pentium IIIs, anon. Besides if you have a DS or PSP you can just emulate it there.
No. You can't. The way the DS is designed, you can't run GBA roms natively from the hardware for some reason. You need a special Flashcard with its own CPU, and brother does it eat battery.
But what makes a game "objectively" good? With o many genres, you can't compare a game like Mother 3 to something like Call of Duty and tell which one is objectively better. People like different kinds of games, and that's all subjective.
I guess how well it's made overall and how well it's made to the genre it's applied, including its innovations on that genre, in comparison to the standard of the genre and the quality of games overall.
In a sense. He got shit all over by mecha tyranazilla and porky scooped his ass up, healed him, and brainwashed him. He could have been saved otherwise but porky got him first.
The eyes only malfunction when exposed to Giygas, once Porky releases Giygas from the Devil's Machine Porky is no longer on screen. Also remember that only the battles are in first person.
We might get a remake, actually. Mother 3 is Nintendo's one game that really, really deserves it. We'd pretty much get the cinematics if the N64 game plus the graphical art style of the GBA game.
It could be that only your vision of Giygas was obscured, or they left Porky normal to make him visible so you knew he was the one speaking. It could just be the limitations of the SNES. I really do believe this is why Giygas appears the way he does, also the fact that the glitching gets more intense as Giygas gets more aggravated, could be his influence increasing over the technology. Another thing I think could support this is the fact that in Mother 1, the alien invasion had influence over the furniture, and such. I think the aliens have an affect over human technologies.
Considering that the last game in the series came out in 2006 (and was only playable in English in 2008), I think you'd be hard pressed to call it nostalgia.
Heck, even the first game wasn't playable in english until the early 2000s. (Or was it the late 90s?)
It's fantastic, far and away the best JRPG on the NES except for maybe Dragon Quest 4. Difficult and grindy as expected of JRPGs at the time, if you can't handle a bit of grinding and difficulty skip it
or play the GBA version with the easy mode, pussy.
Fantastic game. Fairly easy, but its world is perfect. Really good dialogue and writing and scenarios, but the combat is standard Dragon Quest. I'd recommend playing it no matter what.
Final game in the trilogy. Most story-heavy of the 3, best combat of the 3. Features a battle system where you tap A to the beat of the music to get extra hits, which is fun as hell. Play it, but play Earthbound first, as there are connections between them.
No, I mean he literally has no heart. If you do that thing to listen to the heartbeat in the music, it's apparently not even there.
Look into homebrew stuff, I got metal gear solid and Megaman legends running.
Also, it can emulate other stuff too, I played through Rondo of Blood and Majora's Mask on it
I don't want to suffer the nightmares again.
Oh, I forgot about that. Never got around to completing it, but it was pretty amazing.
Have fun anon. Oh, as for playing Mother 1, I'd recommend the GBA version whether you use the Easy Ring or not, since it's retranslated.
Well how else could you explain static effects and such? That stuff doesn't just happen to anything physically. Nonetheless, I do think his appearance is very depictive of pure agony, and even the appearance of a fetus could be interpreted as innocence, both of which make sense given the circumstances and happenings during and before Mother 1.
>go on Amazon to price check Mother 3
>"who the fuck gave this 1 star"
>Totally Repugnant and Ovely dramatic, LoL this game is just terrible
>In Mother 3 you play a bunch of children trying to stop an alien invasion of earth. What the creators of the Earthbound/Mother series failed to realize is that there attempt at making the game incredibly deep by switching out the more standard rpg protangonist for children is they made the game incredibly boring. Send Sephiroth and Cloud in to fix this mess! There is no need for these kids to be doing this. They could make a plenty good game without them. Especially since I was expecting an action game like Ness and Lucas in super smash brothers, but I got this boring adventure game instead! It could have at least been an RPG like Legend of Zelda! They have picked the wrong genre to tell this story in. It would also help if the game wasn't in japanese! I had to scour the internet just to look for the english version Nintendo!
>All in all this game is not worth it, just get a vita instead.
>>In Mother 3 you play a bunch of children trying to stop an alien invasion of earth
Sounds like it was written by my friend, that's the kind of humor he'd write. He's even said multiple times Earthbound shouldn't have been an RPG.
Just get the official rom of Earthbound, it plays well on the Wii so if you have to that should work.
The translated version of Mother 2 is called Earthbound. You can find it on pretty muh every SNES ROM site.
If all else fails, some guy made a compilation of all three MOTHER games for the Wii Homebrew Channel or something. I suggest you check that out if you're unable to play them on your PC.
I just beat this game for the first time last night. I think my only problems with it were enemies that could one shot you, not from high damage or anything, but just outright one-shot you with flash spells. And the other was like half the psi you get works so little on bosses it's not even worth using, or costs too much/is pointless to use on regular enemies. Other than that I think it was about as good as a video game gets.
That explains why i can only find translations for mother3, though i should have known that the jap rom i downloaded was the same game as earthbound when the roms use the same image.
Thanks for the info, and i will try out these games.
funny thing is i think i played this on an xbox i got from the pawn shop
I don't have a link, but basically Shigesato Itoi approached Miyamoto with the idea for MOTHER, and his original reaction was "My team handles the programming, design, directing and everything else,and you just take care of the dialog."
>Finally reaching the end of a cave
>Hear cold winds blowing in the distance
>A faint, but oddly familiar jingle is playing in the background.
>It's soft. You can barely hear it. But with every step, it grows louder and louder...
>Suddenly start to recognize the melody about 10 seconds in.
>Finally take a step outside, and THIS plays at full volume. www.youtube.com/watch?v=UH8JL_jGS_w
>You are now in a beautiful winter wonderland, with skiing snowmen and shit.
One of my favorite fucking parts of the game. One I think a lot of people overlook.
>because if he didn't he risked going mad again and killing his family
I think it was more a 'what have i become'-type realization than necessarily fear for going mad/evil again. Claus probably realized he couldn't go back to the way he was because he wasn't purely human anymore. That, and the World was ending anyway.
Still a great ending/moment in the game nonetheless
I assume you're not saying they're aborting Gyigs original fetus right? Just his rebirthing after his original defeat?
Cause the former would create the biggest fucking paradox ever
No, I just think the fetus could be a metaphor for how Giygas was really pretty innocent all along, he was sent to kill the very people that loved him and raised him as their own child and then had to live with his guilt.
I'm not gonna attack you for your opinion, but I do have to question on why you would claim that the fan translation was "irredeemable"? This isn't the first time I have seen someone express this opinion, but they never once went into detail as to why, so I just have to ask.
There's plenty floating around. Also you're not supposed to patch it with Lunar, that only supports patches up to 16MB. Mother 3 was so massive that a new format had to be designed for it, the .ups format.
The guy's blog, I think it is, is really fucking interesting and goes in depth about all the shit they had to go through for the hack
>reading how they had to get the game to properly draw the text
>characters in the text were fucking sprites
Most games used sprites for texts, only from the DS era did they start using like UTF-8 and shit.
I tried to translate a DS game about blacksmithing, but my rune skills are just too low.
That's interesting, why would they do that? It seems like a really strange method considering the GBA had a limit of sprites on screen. I really don't know much about this stuff though, so the reason why is probably obvious.
As Itoi once said, working on too many games means that you develop a set of premade solutions to everything that might pop up, which severely limits your creativity. This is exactly why he doesn't want to make a MOTHER 4.
I didn't hear much of this song because I blew through the volcano wildly overleveled. If you're not standing in the exact right place the boulder in front of the volcano doesn't move, so I did the volcano really late.
Anyway, I'm partial to Even Drier Guys.
That's strictly the MOTHER3 Translation Blog. He has another one for Earthbound Stuff (EarthboundCentral) and one where he posts personal stuff related to his job at Funimation or just random Japanese shit (Matotree)
That said, everyone involved is a fucking genius, I gotta say. Anyone else would've given up halfway through.
They weren't the heroes we deserved, but the ones we needed.
No clue, I could be wrong though. I know the game I worked on used UTF-8 or something, since I could translate it with notepad, I literally just replaced text lines, then patched them back in, and it showed up ingame.
>So if we get Mother 3, will it be called Earthbound 2?
Actually, Nintendo's records from when it was released made it look like if it was ever released in english, it would be called Earthbound 3 - maybe trying to fix the numbering a la Final Fantasy?
Also, the fan translation team has said repeatedly that they would be happy for Nintendo to release an official translation.
Ugh, I just cannot appreciate video game music at all. I love video games, I love everything about em, been playing them since I was a little kid, but man...I just don't see the appeal of listening to video game music outside of the game it was created for. I don't become attached or think of the music in a "level" or "area" of a game to be something emotional, to me it's the equivalent of elevator music, it's just intended and meant to be played in the situation and context of which it was created for, and for that purpose only. I have nothing against people who listen to video game music, mind you. But I myself have no appreciation for it, because to me it's not the video game music that I remember, it's the video game and the experience that the music and the game brought together created. The music is nothing without the game, but the game IS still something even without the music, it's not equal.
>got spoiled on Mother 3 because fuck Youtube comments
>I will never enjoy the game the same way as somebody new to the game
Yeah I can agree with that, but I do occasionally listen to some of my favorite soundtracks like Mother. If I really want to feel the whole experience I'll play the game. But hey, I listen to elevator-esque music at my leisure too so yeah.
I'm not sure, a slice of life game by Itoi would probably be amazing though, as I really do love AC and Harvest Moon. Itoi did say in an interview that you could see Animal Crossing as Mother 4. It seems like what the world would be like after Mother 3, perfect harmony between all of nature.
I spoiled the shit out of Mother 3 for myself back when I thought it was never getting a translation and it basically didn't hurt my enjoyment at all. It's a solid fucking game.
Ness and his friends went back to the past to kill Giygas, and their bodies were destroyed after the battle. They return to the present in Earthbound somehow but that's completely illogical. Ness and his friends are dead and the only memory left of them is by Porky and his movies in New Pork City. That's why Andonuts is still around without his son.
>Itoi did say in an interview that you could see Animal Crossing as Mother 4.
See, this is why I don't care for Itoi's opinions most of the time. It shows how much he's ignoring the core experience of the game and only focuses on the creamy middles of its world.
That isn't bad per se, but it's like -- you couldn't pull that bullshit about other games.
If someone at Sega told you that Fighting Vipers was supposed to be a true sequel to Streets of Rage, you'd smack their head with a lead pipe. If someone at Square-Enix told you Drakkhengard was supposed to be a sequel to Bahamut Lagoon, you'd jam their head on a pike. That kind of asspull nonsense shouldn't apply for any other game and yet Itoi walks scot-free because of his prestige.
He's just a fan of weapons that follow the "pi_e" formula.
Fuck, those Eerie Smiles were creepy as fuck. That whole section is bizarre. Something like would probably at least put that shit as a T rating out west, which scares me because if Nintendo does an official localization they might remove a lot of those parts or change them to something stupid to aim at kids.
>he crippled him
How did that happen again? I forgot.
Also, the fact that the man with a fucked up leg uses mostly kicking attacks is still kind of strange to me, but it may just show that he's stronger than he looks.
Time signature in music indicates beats per measure/duration of the beats.
29/16 essentially means counting 29 really fast beats each measure.
For a "normal" song, you can count 1-2-3-4 (or 1-2-3, in some cases) and it will line up in each measure.
For strong one, you would have to count 1-2-3-4-5-6-7. . . for each measure.
That gives me hope but I haven't any faith in Nintendo to not butcher it for a Western release. I just feel like they will definitely change things that don't need to be changed.
>tfw I went though this game without doing an intentional combo.
I sucked so much at it that I just went with normal attacks. Now that I remember I did the same shit in Legend of Dragoon, always using Double Slash and the equivalent for every character.
Eh it's a lot of technicalities about the beat and how it's counted. 28/7 is hopefully hyperbole because it doesn't make sense. In the end there are really only 2 time signatures and if you use anything but 4/4 or 3/4 it's just wankery
Nothing. No such thing. "Good" is too broad a work for objectivity to be associated with it. Maybe "polished" or "well coded" can be objectified but that doesn't really stop a game from being bad in some people's eyes, and rightly so.
It's hard to do the music combos on emulation, because there's just a tiny bit of lag that's unnoticeable except in games that require extremely precise timing. On a physical copy, it's pretty easy and fun.
Really? Damn that sucks. Any way to fix it?
I'm actually really good at
Guitar Heroand Rocksmith. But the fact that basic attacks are viable pushed me to go with the casual way.
There's some setting that you can fuck with, I think it's frameskip in the video options or something, you just set it to 0 and it makes it a little better.
I ended up just buying a GBA flashcart to play it on, even though I owned a physical copy of the game. Playing the translation on a GBA was a 10/10 experience.
>there's just a tiny bit of lag that's unnoticeable except in games that require extremely precise timing
You make it sound like input lag is the problem. It's not. It's the music desynchronizing.
Combos were completely fucked on the old version of VBA I was using so I downloaded VBA-M and enabled "Sync game to audio" and never had another issue.
>mfw edgy 15 year old me had a headcanon of him having a prosthetic leg
Sometimes I wish I could forget about things.
Just the whole idea of him losing his leg and using a wooden one or whatever, the game mentioned a handicap, not him having a prosthetic leg
I think the autistic part of all this is that I would tell the kids I knew the "Wonders of Mother 3" and they would toy with me or whatever